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Sunday, January 21, 2018

Don't smoke your own supply

I regret to observe that Marvel decides to postpone its suicide.
Every year, the LGBTQ+ advocacy group GLAAD recognizes and awards a selection of television shows, films, and books that feature powerful portrayals of queer people. This year, a number of Marvel’s comics were recognized for the contributions they’ve made to queer culture, but those nominations were bittersweet for one incredibly disappointing reason: They’ve all been cancelled.

America (from Gabby Rivera and Joe Quinones), Black Panther: World of Wakanda (Roxane Gay, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Yona Harvey, Alitha E. Martinez, and Afua Richardson), and Iceman (Sina Grace, Alessandro Vitti, and Robert Gill) have each been nominated for GLAAD’s 2018 Outstanding Comic Book category, and with good reason. Over the course of their respective arcs, each series explored various parts of the queer experience in ways that, frankly, are new for comics. Iceman’s dug into Bobby Drake’s coming out as a gay man later in life; America’s focused on what it’s like to be a queer immigrant going to college for the first time; and World of Wakanda delved into the complicated intimate lives of the Dora Milaje.

But all of these books recently met their ends, as so many new, progressive comic books do these days. Low sales led to their cancellation just as an entirely new audience was sure to hear about the books, specifically because of their being nominated for GLAAD awards and other honors.
Note to self: in the unlikely event GLAAD offers to recognize or award any Arkhaven comic, decline the honor.

The ridiculous thing about trying to appeal to the LGBLT-whatever crowd is that it simply isn't very big. And since the world of comics isn't all that big either, you're putting yourself in the unenviable position of selling to a fraction of a fraction. That might work for a small indy publisher, but it's not going to be viable for the market leaders.

Argue about inclusiveness all you like, celebrate diversity and tolerance and progress if you are so inclined, but at the end of the day, your core market is always going to determine the extent of your sales potential. And since an ever-increasing number of people are sick to death of SJWs, that's why I'm quite confident that openly anti-SJW material is going to prove to be considerably more popular than anyone expects, be it a business book, a comic book, or a beer-holder.

Fortunately, I'm confident that DC is going to more than make up for Marvel's halting baby steps away from the precipice.

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66 Comments:

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 21, 2018 2:39 PM  

"f Marvel (or whoever) isn’t willing/can’t lose some $ to keep a diverse product line going, then we have to expand the readership base into non-LGBT persons"

Two idiotic delusions in one go. Io9's SJWs are premier cru.

Anonymous Godfrey January 21, 2018 2:47 PM  

Comics

For fun I'm currently reading the comic "Fighting American".

Predictions

(1) "Chaos Lad" of 1954 becomes the transvestite known as "Madam Chaos" in 2017. Saws it coming on the final panel of issue 02. Prediction came true in issue 03.

(2) In a future issue "Special Agent Lydia Rutherford" of the FBI will be shown to be a lesbian. I see it coming. Time will tell.

SJW comics are predictable. And that my friends are why I make mine Alt-Hero.

You know what would really shock me in a comic? Heterosexual romantic tension, a deeply devout Roman Catholic character, or ~gulp~ the complexity that the presence of children adds to a storyline. Now that would be a shock.

Blogger Johnny January 21, 2018 2:50 PM  

Even smart people can be more stupid about some things than might be expected. It would be unsurprising to me if the people who do this stuff don't get it that if their company loses money their salaries will be at risk. A lot of people with above average visually oriented ability are logic lacking. They just don't think about money until it runs out.

And of course the SJW stuff does not sell well, you can get it for free. And even if you don't want it, they push it on you.

Blogger TheMaleRei January 21, 2018 2:54 PM  

Quality is King. But these fools give the term "hack writer" a bad name.

From "America" ceaselessly extolling the virtues of whatever insecurities and venom the writer was projecting, to the very real possibility that Jean Grey mind controlled Iceman into liking sausages, it's just crap...

And crap doesn't sell to comic fans.

Sitcoms and movies yes, comics no...

Anonymous Hesiod January 21, 2018 2:58 PM  

Cheer up, tumblrinas and soyboys, you still have The Autistic Squirrel Girl.

Blogger Ransom Smith January 21, 2018 2:59 PM  

Definitely not glad to hear this news.
I would rather just see Marvel commit suicide.
Oh well. Maybe next year.

Blogger Timmy3 January 21, 2018 3:00 PM  

I doubt this is the last time. They will keep trying

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents January 21, 2018 3:04 PM  

Is it too late to petition Marvel for reinstating these works? At least America Mestiza Lesbia and Blak Panther?

Most especially want Marvel to pay Ta Genius Coates a salary, a princely salary, a Nigerian princely salary to write for them. Maybe he could be given a new comic to write for called The Black Knight? That would be perfect.

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 21, 2018 3:06 PM  

Okay, so where can I buy the SJWAL beer holder? Now, dammit!

Blogger Zaklog the Great January 21, 2018 3:13 PM  

It would be unsurprising to me if the people who do this stuff don't get it that if their company loses money their salaries will be at risk.

I'd worked at a local restaurant for a while when the general manager moved on, and a new one took over. The new one was black. The back-of-the-house staff went from being largely black to being nearly all black. The performance, particularly in terms of timeliness and urgency, took a serious dive over several months, and the business visibly suffered. I genuinely don't think a lot of those people in the kitchen connected the dots that if they continued to perform poorly, the restaurant business would suffer, and if the restaurant continued to decline, they would not have a job. As far as I can tell, the new GM was unwilling to impose serious discipline on them either. I'm honestly kind of glad I ended up getting fired from that place. I should have quit a long time before when I saw the trend.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 21, 2018 3:16 PM  

Even if I wanted to target LBGT people to build readership, I would not listen to GLAAD,

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 21, 2018 3:18 PM  

Squirrel Girl looks and acts like someone from the short bus.

Anonymous Reenay January 21, 2018 3:27 PM  

I regret to observe that Marvel decides to postpone its suicide.

That's awfully racist, sexist, and transphobic of them. Haven't they received the latest memo: profit is for shitlords? I mean, after all, Trump does it.

Blogger Anno Ruse January 21, 2018 3:36 PM  

My parents couldn't buy me anything as a kid but now and then I got comics and I fuckin' cherished them. Iceman was, to me, one of the coolest characters. When I read that he was gay, I finally understood what those "they killed my childhood" nerds were on about. What's so wrong with a hetero Iceman? It's like they're making fun of you for having normal interests.

I've got nothing against homo superheroes, of course. Just don't shove it down my throat.

Blogger SteelPalm January 21, 2018 3:37 PM  

I laughed where the GLAAD press release stated those comics were just on the verge of finding a new audience once people heard they were nominated for their awards.

Also, the entire press release is that much funnier if one has watched Diversity and Comics' videos about America and Iceman.

America in particular is just gobsmacking in that ANYONE, even the lowliest indie (let alone Marvel), would publish something shittier than what a random 10 year-old scrawls in his notebook at school. I'm not exaggerating, either. It's THAT incoherent, idiotic, and inane.

Blogger Bob Loblaw January 21, 2018 3:46 PM  

While it's true LGBT people probably make up more like 1% of the population than the numbers they like to throw around, there are probably enough SJW virtue signalers to make up the difference. For a few months they might even sell a few extra books.

The problem while the SJWs are happy to generate Twitter storms pat themselves on the back for forcing their way into another culture industry, they're not actually comic book fans, so a few months down the road when the hive mind turns its attention to the next pillar of civilization (sibling marriage, say, or sex change operations for five year olds), comic book companies are going to be left with the 1% audience.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 21, 2018 3:50 PM  

@15 Steelpalm
America in particular is just gobsmacking ...It's THAT incoherent, idiotic, and inane.

Perfect. Must be brought back. Petition needed!

Anonymous BBGKB January 21, 2018 4:00 PM  

America’s focused on what it’s like to be a queer immigrant going to college for the first time

I bet it didn't cover passing her despite her being stupid

Note to self: in the unlikely event GLAAD offers to recognize or award any Arkhaven comic, decline the honor.

So no one with pyro-koranic powers?

Blogger Robert Coble January 21, 2018 4:02 PM  

@3: They just don't think about money until it runs out.

In Utopian dreams, there is an endless supply of other people's money.

Blogger Ceerilan January 21, 2018 4:03 PM  

Is Arkhaven's goal to sell comics in the mainstream? If so, what is your idea for bringing in non SJW leftist fans?

Anonymous Yann January 21, 2018 4:11 PM  

And since an ever-increasing number of people are sick to death of SJWs, that's why I'm quite confident that openly anti-SJW material is going to prove to be considerably more popular than anyone expects

Not. They won't. People are sick of being indoctrined.

You can place old values in the comics (that was what the old Captain America was about), you can write non-politically-correct and even anti-SJW, but you have to wrap it in a non-political old-good-storytelling looking.

Learn from your enemies. And they didn't get the control creating comics named "Cultural Marxist-Hero". Calling the line "Alt-Hero" was a mistake. No matter the essence is political, and nowadays it needs to be, the appearance shouldn't.

Blogger James January 21, 2018 4:17 PM  

"While it's true LGBT people probably make up more like 1% of the population than the numbers they like to throw around, there are probably enough SJW virtue signalers to make up the difference. For a few months they might even sell a few extra books."

SJW's do not spend money supporting causes. Their time is worth so much more than just crass and tasteless money. Besides, they'd have to dig out change from their mother's sofa to pay for them.

Since, apparently, it is wrong to NOT be interested in having sex with transgenders, I would imagine that some SJW's will demand that Marvel display their "progressive" cred
by willingly lose money while continuing to publish these "game changers".

Anonymous Stickwick January 21, 2018 4:21 PM  

Not. They won't. People are sick of being indoctrined.

4/10 for the faux concern, 0/10 for factual content.

The Alt-Hero campaign brought in a quarter million dollars and was one of the most successful comic book campaigns ever.

Everything is indoctrination, dopey. People are tired of having no alternatives.

Blogger James Dixon January 21, 2018 4:29 PM  

> What's so wrong with a hetero Iceman?

Well, Bobby was a perennial loser in that regard, so it almost makes sense. But only almost, since Hank had them hanging off his arms and Bobby could always have been his wingman. But then they tried to make Hank gay too, which was ridiculous.

Blogger James Dixon January 21, 2018 4:34 PM  

> If so, what is your idea for bringing in non SJW leftist fans?

Vox doesn't market to oxymorons.

> Not. They won't.

Vox has 242,800 arguments that say they will.

Anonymous Jo January 21, 2018 4:43 PM  

I don't know GLAAD, but it sounds like a more honest version of the Hugo.

Blogger VD January 21, 2018 4:53 PM  

Learn from your enemies. And they didn't get the control creating comics named "Cultural Marxist-Hero". Calling the line "Alt-Hero" was a mistake.

That's ludicrously stupid. It was the #1 new comic kickstarter ever. It was #21 out of 10,550 to date. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Everyone said Trump was going to lose too. I said nearly a year before the election that he would win. The conventional wisdom is reliably wrong when the circumstances change.

Blogger VD January 21, 2018 4:53 PM  

If so, what is your idea for bringing in non SJW leftist fans?

Present their positions and ideals honestly.

Blogger Johnny January 21, 2018 5:00 PM  

People are sick of being indoctrinated.

Going by the little snippets of text we see I think Vox has got it right. You play a little with the SJW stuff but don't make it a topic.

@14 Anno Ruse: Just don't shove it down my throat.

I am guessing you were thinking figuratively, not literally. ;^)


Blogger tz January 21, 2018 5:01 PM  

@28, even the left appreciates being treated honestly, even if they must be quarantined.

Blogger Leandro Novaes January 21, 2018 5:02 PM  

I don't think writing comic about they wanting to conquer the world, commit genocide, and destroy everything that disagrees with them is going to win many hearts.

Maybe we should present what they say is their positions instead?

Blogger The Observer January 21, 2018 5:07 PM  

I don't think writing comic about they wanting to conquer the world, commit genocide, and destroy everything that disagrees with them is going to win many hearts.

Maybe we should present what they say is their positions instead?


There's a difference between the milquetoast True Believers, the wanna-be Robespierres, and those who know it's crock but are just using it to get ahead.

Blogger Glaivester January 21, 2018 5:09 PM  

"Low sales led to their cancellation just as an entirely new audience was sure to hear about the books, specifically because of their being nominated for GLAAD awards and other honors."

If only they had waited for the awards, that would have made all of the difference in sales.....

Blogger tz January 21, 2018 5:12 PM  

@32 But those ARE their positions.
And we are about winning minds, not hearts.

Blogger tz January 21, 2018 5:17 PM  

@33 - "Those that know it is a crock".
Ah, a new genus. "Crockservatives".

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 21, 2018 5:29 PM  

@33 Observer
There's a difference between the milquetoast True Believers, the wanna-be Robespierres, and those who know it's crock but are just using it to get ahead.



Meh. Maybe a difference of degree, or intensity or speed, but they all want their Precious, their ultimate goal, their Year Zero.

Blogger Geir Balderson January 21, 2018 5:30 PM  

Left comic books in 2008. Now, I must now cancel most of my subscribed magazines. Autoweek had Trump diatribes, Smithsonian has black folk's greatness in every issue! And now Architectural Digest, always up for a wonderful gay couple, now places them on the cover with their kids! Geesh, I need some moral magazines!

Blogger Wynn Lloyd January 21, 2018 6:22 PM  

It's very embarrassing when guys show up trying to advise VD. I don't know anything about business or comics but even I can see that these guys are hopeless.
Unless you created your own hit comics series, you really don't have any credibility. This should be obvious, but it isn't. It's one thing to criticize; you don't need first-hand knowledge for that. Giving advice is meaningless if you've never done the thing you're advising about, though.

Apparently the discussion around Alt-Hero contains a great deal of examples of the uninformed trying to advise the experienced.
It's almost as bad as when people try to tell you what you need to do to "teach the kids" at a violent, dindu high school. You have your, "I'm gonna be the boss and take no mess from these kids" types, who soon find themselves in the vice-principal's office for cussing a student (who was cussing them for hours), and also your "I'm going to believe in them and treat them as equals, which will have them quoting Shakespeare from memory in a week or two," types, who end up completely at the mercy of the class, and who likely will become a disciple of Paul Kersey after it's all said and done.

Nothing adds credibility like experience. How many ventures has VD and Castalia House followed through on? That speaks for itself. The critics are green privates who think they can defeat the enemy all by themselves, and end up getting their heads blown off or deeply scarred by PTSD. While successful guys are like career officers, who are cautious when it's prudent and bold when it's called for.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 21, 2018 6:23 PM  

I regret to observe that Marvel decides to postpone its suicide.

Fear not, Muslim Ms. Marvel is still with us. Not sure about some to the rest. Coates' Black Panther had to be canceled because the movie is coming out and no one wants those tied together.

We appear to still have Black Captain America as well as the Miles Morales version of Spiderman, although actual Peter Parker Spiderman is back from the grave. Real Thor is apparently coming back, no idea what will happen to girl-Thor.

So I think Marvel will continue to be "subversive."

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 21, 2018 6:39 PM  

@39
So I think Marvel will continue to be "subversive."

"Subversive," like "fecal" is one of those words the SJWs use all the time. Yet it is quite clear, they have no idea what it actually means.

They aren't subverting anything.

When they say "subversive" what they really mean is take a massive shit all over the existing audience.

Just like they did with The Last Jedi, Star Trek: Discovery, Top Gear and of course Marvel Comics.

Doctor Who was always so far to the left you wouldn't think it was necessary to repeat this process and yet they did.

SJW Convergence has taken to wrecking stuff that was already wrecked. Witness Netflix Devilman Crybaby.

So how could they make this worse? With Japanese Rap and an explicit homosexual love affair. Also some really weird art work that I wouldn't call anime at all. It looks like Ralph Bakshi's stuff from the seventies. It did make the sex scenes hilariously funny. Other odd changes, Miki is now mixed race with a Gaijin Father (who is named Makamura?!?!) for no apparent reason other than Japanese Diversity Points. Basically this thing screamed that it was seeking SJW approval, which Lol-Kotaku gave it and that is reason enough to hate anything.

Anonymous Viiidad January 21, 2018 6:48 PM  

Anno Ruse wrote:
I've got nothing against homo superheroes


You don't? Then you're retarded. Any individual who can't figure out where a penis is supposed to go obviously ain't hero material.

Blogger DonReynolds January 21, 2018 7:33 PM  

Abraham Lincoln said....
The Hen must be the wisest of all of God's creations.
For She does not cluck until AFTER the egg is laid.

No one should get an award because of what they might do or what they are gonna do or what they plan to do. Obama's Nobel Peace Prize seems especially foolish in this regard also.

Skip the awards for what people might do or endeavor to do or bother to do. Skip also those awards passed out for participation or merely showing up for the awards event.

Yes, this is considered white supremacy these days.

Blogger DonReynolds January 21, 2018 7:48 PM  

VD..."Present their positions and ideals honestly."

I was hoping someone would say that.

I decided long ago that only the Truth matters and that should be the most important thing in the world. Is it True? How very different this country would be if the Truth was the most important thing. For better or worse. No matter who looks bad and who looks good. Pursue the Truth every day.

There exists an Indian tribe in South America that reserves capital punishment for only one crime....Lying. Tell a lie and you will be put to death. Tell the truth and your punishment will be much less. Crime investigation must be a snap.

Blogger vorlos January 21, 2018 9:10 PM  

Review Solznetsyn's famous and important speech at Harvard 1976, entitled, "Live Not By Lies." We didn't listen. He warned us.

Blogger Nate January 21, 2018 9:26 PM  

"Low sales led to their cancellation just as an entirely new audience was sure to hear about the books, specifically because of their being nominated for GLAAD awards and other honors."

ah yes... a whole new audience! that is incredibly small.. and has no interest in comics at all.

Blogger Akulkis January 21, 2018 10:54 PM  

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Blogger Akulkis January 21, 2018 11:00 PM  

@Leandros Novaes

EVERY leftist ***KNOWS***,deep down inside, that he's a closet control freak. That's why they all hate Aristotelian political philosophy and can't get enough of the control+freak paradise of Plato's Republic.

Blogger Akulkis January 21, 2018 11:30 PM  

@Ceerilian

Trump and his ludicrous campaign will be in a pure out-of-control nosedive by October of 2015.

Bank on it, buddy. I'm sure your opinions on Alt-hero are just as sound as your expectation that Trump would lose to !Jeb!

Blogger Akulkis January 21, 2018 11:33 PM  

@Glaivester

Just think of all the new sales those titles would have realized if they hadn't been cancelled before the SAAAAD awards. Why, the increase in reader could have been in the dozens!

Blogger Akulkis January 21, 2018 11:37 PM  

These drive-by "advisors" aren't even comparable to The Blind Leading the Naked. More like the naked, blind trying to lead the keen-sighted well-outfitted explorer.

Blogger Akulkis January 21, 2018 11:43 PM  

For those who don't remember him, it's Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

Anonymous GodEmperorMemes January 22, 2018 1:45 AM  

The perverts promoting this trans nonsense on children deserve the death penalty.
I tell you for certain that anyone who convinced my child to mutilate themselves and pretend to be the opposite gender would disappear and never, ever be found again.

Anonymous Yann January 22, 2018 2:01 AM  

It's very embarrassing when guys show up trying to advise VD. I don't know anything about business or comics but even I can see that these guys are hopeless.

Are you suggesting that all the people who said that SJW convergence would hurt Marvel were hopeless?

Well, if you say so...

Anonymous Yann January 22, 2018 2:11 AM  

Everyone said Trump was going to lose too. I said nearly a year before the election that he would win. The conventional wisdom is reliably wrong when the circumstances change.

So said I. But it was a different field, a different goal, different enemies and different strategies.

Trump played the "provocateur" card. And even he got all the media talking against him, they were talking about him and about what he wanted them to talk. He was dominating the agenda, as Scott Adams analyzed.

You want to play that card in an openly political comic: then you need people talking about you, for or against, but talking about you. You're not getting that. Yeap, you got an incredibly successful kickstarter, and nobody is talking about even in the alt-right media. Think about it.

Or you can play the card "old good comic", not being openly political but bringing back old good storytelling and alt values (but implicitly, not explicitly).

Anonymous Ryan G January 22, 2018 2:47 AM  

What kills me is that SJW apologists will periodically bring out the "they're just going where marketing research says they should go." argument.

I hang out in 'geek' circles. Most of those people are left leaning. Yet, not one of them likes the SJW messaging in comics, movies, or books. They might express sympathy for the message, sure, but it's always in chagrined manner. I hear comments like "I wish they'd dial that stuff back." or "I agree with their point but I'm really tired of being beaten about the head and shoulders by it."

So, it really makes me wonder. Are companies like Disney & Marvel just lying about their research or are their results skewed by the means and people they select to do it?

Anonymous VFM0091 January 22, 2018 4:59 AM  

GodEmperorMemes wrote:The perverts promoting this trans nonsense on children deserve the death penalty.
I tell you for certain that anyone who convinced my child to mutilate themselves and pretend to be the opposite gender would disappear and never, ever be found again.


Here's the deal folks, transitioning is a fucking expensive proposition, and actually having read the actual costs involved in this self mutilation ritual, it's the equivalent of putting a life time mortgage on yourself to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars in a lifetime for hormones and surgery, and it's not like it actually works or sticks (since dementia and depression is quite common later on in life for them). Which means that the only folks who can afford this are the failed and busted amygdala children of some the richest and upper class folks. And more often than not as it's been suggested here by Walt Heyer http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/fifty-six-shades-of-gender-insanity/, the more often than not there's a host of dissociative disorders that get misdiagnosed as gender dysphoria, and usually the driver for that is consistent/ritual child abuse. Which combined with knowing the costs of transitioning, leads me to believe that this is just the various sinful elites and their special way of socializing the costs of their dysfunctional and abused kids on the rest of us.

I mean isn't very telling how lots of gay and trans folks are especially fucking scared of ever talking about their extended family backgrounds? Or if they do they only talk about their (sometimes domineering possibly abusive) mothers? Like how Milo's rich Jewish father just choose to sit back and watch while his son was abused at a young age by a trusted member of the community instead of helping his son deal with his pain and the perpetrator in question. It's just having re read Anonymous Conservative's work over the past three years, it's made me wonder if we've been given a wondrous peak behind the curtain on how the upper crust families treat their most vulnerable children should they fail to not be k-typed enough to run the family estate/business.

Blogger VD January 22, 2018 6:02 AM  

Yeap, you got an incredibly successful kickstarter, and nobody is talking about even in the alt-right media. Think about it.

You don't understand how the media works at all. They would only talk about it if it was failing. The fact that those who were openly mocking it have fallen silent is exactly what I anticipated.

The next stage is when they start talking about it again, but claim I had little to do with its success. I'll even hand them a narrative to help them along.

Anonymous Yann January 22, 2018 6:34 AM  

You don't understand how the media works at all. They would only talk about it if it was failing.

Vox, I understand perfectly how the media works. The most powerful weapon the mass media have is not talking about something, silencing it. That's what shows what a bloody (stable) genius Trump is: he continuously baited media into talking about what he wanted.

But Trump is a very machiavellian guy, who baits and manipulates and baits again. You're not. Everyone has his strengths and his flaws. People like Trump or Milo are extremely good at that game. Not everybody is.

The mass media won't talk about your comics unless you bait or you fail. You are not good at baiting and you don't want to fail. So you depend on alt-right media. And they won't talk about you unless that makes a beneficial political point for alt-right. And what could make a good political point: "Look at the SJW comics, they try to indoctrinate, not to tell stories. Now look there, that's a comic: good storytelling, honest values, no cheap indoctrination do you see the difference between both of them?". Now, could they say that if they decided to talk about your comics and compare them to Marvel?.

Anonymous CarpeOro January 22, 2018 9:41 AM  

Hmm. Guess someone has never heard the phrase "follow the money". It actually works as a business indicator. If Alt-hero had been backed by less than 100 people, maybe there would be a point. But considering the number of donors putting there money where their mouth is to get the first issue... The argument that there will be no market because there isn't presently noise about it doesn't wash. Why is SJW Marvel failing? Because there is no money in it. This project already has more pre-purchased issues than a number of those SJW titles sold.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 22, 2018 11:15 AM  

@55
Are companies like Disney & Marvel just lying about their research or are their results skewed by the means and people they select to do it?

Yes. Because there's more than one way to lie.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 22, 2018 1:09 PM  

Yann wrote:But Trump is a very machiavellian guy, who baits and manipulates and baits again. You're not.

Yann wrote:The mass media won't talk about your comics unless you bait or you fail. You are not good at baiting and you don't want to fail. So you depend on alt-right media.

Denial of reality is not a good look for you. Really, you have no idea. None at all. Not even a scintilla.

What good would it do to have them talking now. The talk is building. D&C has denounced, as has EVS, and now you. More will join as the release date nears.

This is not Vox's first media rodeo.

Blogger Akulkis January 22, 2018 1:15 PM  

@19

"In Utopian dreams, there is an endless supply of other people's money."


Indeed, In his book Radical Son (about his days as a red-diaper baby Communist), David Horowitz recounts his years as editor of the bleeding-edge radical Commie publication "Ramparts," notes that they ALWAYS operated at a loss, and burned through the fortunes of several multi-millionaire heirs and heiresses

Blogger Akulkis January 22, 2018 1:50 PM  

Hey, Yann

When was the last time that *the media* talked about Toro lawnmowers?

Are they failing because *the media* doesn't go out and toot a horn for Toro every week?

Or do people just go out to buy a lawnmower, find a place that sells lawnmowers, and look at a Toro, and say to themselves -- this is a good, quality product, that does what I want it to do. I'll buy it.

Look everything in your house. 90% of it, you bought without ever being advertised to about it. Did you learn about your particular brand and pattern of silverware from the media? How about your plates and bowls? How about the carpeting, tile, and whatever other floorcovering is in your home.\


Is every book in your house there only because you bought it after hearing/seeing "the media" talking about it? If so, you're an ignorant git, because the vast majority of really good books get ZERO media attention, and an overwhelming number of books that DO get media attention are complete crapola.

Blogger VD January 22, 2018 9:10 PM  

The mass media won't talk about your comics unless you bait or you fail.

The mass media doesn't talk about comics, period. You're confusing the comics media with the mass media.

Give it up, Yann. I am not going to listen to anything you say anyhow.

Blogger NoneOfTheAbove January 23, 2018 1:24 AM  

I don't suppose it will surprise anyone that there is a petition to make a psychopathic, anarchist murderer a queer hero.

"We ask DC Comics to restore The Joker’s homosexuality in comics and other media.

http://comicbook.com/dc/2018/01/22/dc-comics-fans-petitioning-to-make-the-joker-gay/

Anonymous MaMu77 January 24, 2018 7:12 AM  

Marvels Black Knight is Dane Whitman. He's a f*cking white male!

Reeeeees imminent.

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