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Wednesday, January 10, 2018

Mailvox: 8 questions for the Alt-Right

Sargon of Akkad, a youtuber, recently made a video asking eight questions of the Alt-Right, and this caused me to wonder what you would consider the correct answers to be.

1: Are Jews Oppressing White people?

No. This is an exaggeration. Some elite Jews are suppressing non-Jews, for example, a very small number of Jews in elite university admissions offices are suppressing Asians and whites in the U.S. university system while aiding blacks, Hispanics, and other foreigners.

2. Should Interracial Couples be forced to separate?

No. People deserve to experience the consequences of their decisions and actions.

3. Should the government prevent citizens from leaving the country to preserve the race?

No. But it should not feel any responsibility to protect them, provide for them, or help them return when their hosts turn on them either.

4. Should the state control education?

No. It has done an abysmal job by every measure.

5. Should the state control the media?

No.

6. Should the State control the economy?

No. But it should control which parties are permitted, and are not permitted, to participate in the national economy. And it should always act to ensure that the nation benefits at the expense of foreign parties when those parties wish to participate.

7. Do the decisions of individual white people matter to the alt right's goals?

No. Not even a little bit.

8. Should women have a role in public life? (or should they be home makers?)

The question is a false dichotomy. Being a homemaker is the most important role a woman can have in public life. They should be rewarded, encouraged and celebrated for doing so.

Of course, all these questions are loaded and amount to little more than a feeble attempt to discredit and disqualify the Alt Right. More importantly, they are irrelevant. The tactics and the strategies are not the objective; how you get there does not matter if the most important thing is to get there. We presently live in a lotus-eating society of freeloaders, which is why our society is going to collapse. And it should come as no surprise that the lotus-eating freeloaders are indignant at the observation that they are going to have to stop eating lotuses and freeloading if they wish to continue eating at all.

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165 Comments:

Blogger FUBARwest January 10, 2018 2:01 PM  

Somehow I doubt Sargon will ever respond to this or the 16 Points...

Blogger Ceerilan January 10, 2018 2:11 PM  

Sargon of akkad is a leftist, and lacks a fundamental understanding of the right. He can't get past us having better things to do than denounce Richard Spencer and the like all day everyday. Part of me would love to see a meeting between him and Vox with a long form discussion...just to see if he'd be willing to listen.

Anonymous Cadwallander J January 10, 2018 2:16 PM  

2. Should Interracial Couples be forced to separate?

That's an interesting one. FWIW, there is Old Testament precedent for this, as in the book of Ezra the Israelites set aside their foreign wives (and children) upon their return to Jerusalem.

Blogger allyn71 January 10, 2018 2:17 PM  

Part of me would love to see a meeting between him and Vox with a long form discussion...just to see if he'd be willing to listen.

He wouldn't Gamma is going to Gamma. Sargon is not searching for truth, he only cares about things that confirm how "right" he is.

Anonymous Tipsy January 10, 2018 2:19 PM  

I was thinking about the trinity of divine transcendentals: the true, the beautiful, and the good, and in particular their diabolical opposites: lies, ugliness, and evil. I think in every age there are lies, ugliness, and evil, but one of the marks of the modern age is that there are powerful apologists who make it their vocation to call evil good, ugly beautiful, and lies truth.

Identifying and discrediting those apologists is a good place to start to helping unwind the whole diabolical modernist project.

Anonymous Jpac January 10, 2018 2:20 PM  

Are Jews Devil Worshipers and the Enemy of Christ's Kingdom?

Isn't American Founded on Devil Worship and Now Liberalism, Making the USA Basically the Anti-Christ?

Anonymous Mike L. January 10, 2018 2:21 PM  

"1: Are Jews Oppressing White people?

No. This is an exaggeration"

Someone just got his letter in the mail from the ADL.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora January 10, 2018 2:23 PM  

I used to like Sargon and thought he was a voice for good but ego has grown fat attacking low hanging fruit like SJWs and now he's turned on Alt Righters. So far none of the alt right YouTubers have been able to adequately call him on his dishonest debate tactics. It would be awesome to see VD humble him a little. Sargon might be egotistical enough to underestimate VD. He might accept a challenge if it was offered.

Blogger allyn71 January 10, 2018 2:24 PM  

2. Should Interracial Couples be forced to separate?

That's an interesting one.


No it isn't, human nature is largely against interracial marriage. If you don't actively push interracial marriage as a virtue in and of itself, it will be so rare as to not be worthy of consideration and wouldn't require forceful enforcement to stop it from happening. It is only a issue in our current society because it is being actively pushed by the SJW's as a virtue indicator.

Blogger Chris Jackson January 10, 2018 2:25 PM  

As far as I can tell, he's associated Alt-Right with Spencer and Charlottesville.

Anonymous Unabomber January 10, 2018 2:26 PM  

In short, in your opinion, the "Alt-Right" is simply warmed-over American-style Tea Party conservatism and libertarianism (both of which are liberal ideologies), muh free market, muh anti-statism, muh equality, etc.

How is this "Alternative" to anything?

Blogger Mom January 10, 2018 2:28 PM  

There is no Biblical precedent for interracial marriage breakups; in Ezra the prohibition is against Jews marrying pagans. The Bible prohibits a believer from marrying a non believer. It is not a sin to marry someone who's pigment is lighter or darker. Moses married a Ethiopian woman, obviously she was from a different culture and most likely she was black. The only one who was rebuked in this story is Aaron and Miriam who spoke out against Moses.

Anonymous An Extremely Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than A Basket Of Twenty Deplorable Cents January 10, 2018 2:28 PM  

Let's turn the questions around on Sargon of Passive-Aggressive:

1: Are White People Oppressing Jews?
2. Should Couples be forced to marry Interracially?
3. Should the government continue to import the world to preserve the wealth of the 1%?
4. Should the have any role in education at all?
5. Should media monopolies control the state?
6. Should the State control the economy solely for the benefit of 1% of the population?
7. Does the existence of individual white people matter at all?
8. Should women continue to have a guaranteed, protected role in public life at the expense of men, even if this causes long term damage to society?

Not that any cuck will answer.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 10, 2018 2:31 PM  

Isn't American Founded on Devil Worship and Now Liberalism, Making the USA Basically the Anti-Christ?

It was founded centuries before the "founding fathers" formalized Enlightenment ideas as policy. It was much more about worshiping the sovereign individual than demon worship, and more Luciferian than Antichrist, although there were some shenanigans in the Hudson Valley area going way back. (And I've heard that sensitive people get the willies in cajun country.)

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 10, 2018 2:33 PM  

Are Jews Devil Worshipers and the Enemy of Christ's Kingdom?

Are whites Christians and loved by God? Same answer.

Anonymous Jpac January 10, 2018 2:33 PM  

"5. Should the state control the media?

No."

So we should let Google oppress us with impunity?

Tucker Carlson is more "woke" than VD...

"@TuckerCarlson The Federal Government is no longer the main threat to your privacy and freedoms. Big corporations are. The Orwellian future is increasingly the Orwellian present, and tech barons are becoming our new commissars. #Tucker @FoxNews"
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/950901753511383041

Big red pill here.

Blogger JohnG January 10, 2018 2:33 PM  

Sargon's pretty good, but I don't think he realizes the Alt-Right isn't monolithic.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 10, 2018 2:34 PM  

Obviously #13 is not a conservative because he is asking questions that will hurt the wittle feelings of the usual virtue signaling dweeb.

Blogger Timmy3 January 10, 2018 2:35 PM  

Some believe the Handmaiden’s Tale is real.

Blogger NO GOOGLES January 10, 2018 2:37 PM  

Sargon will continue ignoring your very existence, Vox. He is not intellectually equipped to deal with the 16 points in an honest fashion, and his only real attacks on the alt-right are against the lowest of low hanging fruit among those who can be lumped in with the alt-right in the broadest sense.

Too bad, because it was somewhat entertaining to watch even a midwit like him tear down SJWs/feminists. He is decently read (I wouldn't say well read) but like most people who are a bit smarter than average he overestimates how clever he really is.

After watching him tangle with Spencer and be reduced to cringeworthy "DEFINE WHITE" silliness it's a surety that he doesn't have the intellectual chops to meaningfully criticize the alt-right.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora January 10, 2018 2:43 PM  

He isn't even decently read. He's 38 and has only started reading seriously over the last 2 years or so. And it looks like he's mainly read Aristotle and a few enlightenment philosophers. He made the mistake of forming strong political opinions before he really had a chance to learn and now he has to please his audience to maintain his income. He's trapped.

Blogger Brad Matthews January 10, 2018 2:45 PM  

Much more relevant. Nice.

Anonymous Zane Duke January 10, 2018 2:48 PM  

VD, good answers end-to-end.

Sargon and that ilk fear the alt-right, because they do not control it. And they know they never will. Their only "hope" is to enlist more powerful forces than themselves to defeat the thing they fear, even if they suffer collateral damage.

Anonymous qualitycontrol January 10, 2018 2:50 PM  

19. Timmy3
Some want the Handmaiden’s Tale to be real.

Anonymous A1 January 10, 2018 2:53 PM  

Many on the right that wring their hands over the current power structure in America and the leftists that run it, don't understand the fact the thing that will remove them from power, or more importantly, from influence, will be the inability to follow through on their promises associated with unfunded liabilities.

They won't be able to leverage their goodies for political capital. Not only that, but their freeloading constituents will turn on them for failure to deliver.

Considering the estimated $205 trillion in unfunded liabilities in the U.S. alone, according to Prof. Laurence Kotlikoff, and the over $200 trillion in global debt estimated by McKinsey, this is going to take down the existing powers around the globe in the future.

In other words, by biding our time and preparing to offer answers and solutions outside of governments, this will lead to, in my opinion, a lot more freedom in the world.

Many people will also have to start being creative and productive once more in order to make ends meet. For these and other reasons I'm very optimistic about the future in the U.S.

What is unfortunate, is many on the right still don't understand that they support the welfare state - personal and corporate - and will participate in the force "restructuring" the failed system will impose upon them.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 10, 2018 2:59 PM  

Unabomber wrote:In short, in your opinion, the "Alt-Right" is simply warmed-over American-style Tea Party conservatism and libertarianism (both of which are liberal ideologies), muh free market, muh anti-statism, muh equality, etc.

So you don't do the reading thing then? Look at the top right of this page, there is a link to The 16 Points Of The alt-Right. Stop guessing and pretending you have any idea what you're talking about. None of this is secret or needs to be reassembled from cryptic hints and dog whistles, moron.

Blogger rumpole5 January 10, 2018 3:01 PM  

And as to the two foreign women (Rahab the Jerico harlot and Ruth the Moabitess) who were forebearers of King David and Jesus?

Blogger Miguel January 10, 2018 3:01 PM  

Ankle-bitters will ankle-bite.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 10, 2018 3:02 PM  

And it should come as no surprise that the lotus-eating freeloaders are indignant at the observation that they are going to have to stop eating lotuses and freeloading if they wish to continue eating at all.

Excellently put.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 10, 2018 3:03 PM  

And as to the two foreign women (Rahab the Jerico harlot and Ruth the Moabitess) who were forebearers of King David and Jesus?

There were two of them, not sixty million.

Blogger Brad Matthews January 10, 2018 3:03 PM  

1. Use, yes; oppress is inflammatory jargon.
2. No. Diversity = marital bliss.
3. No.
4. No.
5. No.
6. No.
7. No.
8. Yes. Women add diversity and vibrancy to all aspects of public life. They need an even larger role. 80:20 F:M should suffice to stabilize our crumbling society.

Anonymous Unabomber January 10, 2018 3:04 PM  

"Stop guessing and pretending you have any idea what you're talking about. "

No state means no power means Muh 16 points are mere words.

Blogger ReluctantMessiah January 10, 2018 3:04 PM  

A useful guide would be identifying leading questions or questions based on faulty assumptions. A good addition to the SJW Survival Guide.

Blogger lowercaseb January 10, 2018 3:04 PM  

We presently live in a lotus-eating society of freeloaders, which is why our society is going to collapse. And it should come as no surprise that the lotus-eating freeloaders are indignant at the observation that they are going to have to stop eating lotuses and freeloading if they wish to continue eating at all.

It would be interesting to see what their content would be like if YouTube didn't pay money like back in the old days of 2004/2005.

Blogger Brian S January 10, 2018 3:05 PM  

He only sounds intelligent when he's doing monologues (and you can pick those apart). When he's actually challenged on topics he starts waffling and the illusion falls apart. His long form talks with Millennial Woes have made me loose a lot of respect for him.

Blogger DonReynolds January 10, 2018 3:09 PM  

Pollyanna thinks she can shame an individual and it will somehow discredit an entire movement. Obviously, they believe they can win by example....not by being correct or accurate or truthful, but by thinking that leading and loaded questions are enough to diffuse a movement. (Have you stopped beating your wife? How does it feel to be a self-made bastard? Insults will not work on Alt-Right.)

It is too late to stop a movement by acting harshly toward individual members of that movement in public. But far from being discouraged by your abusive behaviors and rude questions, you only create more heroes and leaders and good examples. Even if you behead the ones you can find, it does not stop a movement. The rest will step over their dead body and somebody will bother to bury them. Just another statistic, having no impact on the forward momentum of the crowd.

Blogger OGRE January 10, 2018 3:14 PM  

Sargon is a mildly entertaining atheist midwit, and like every other gamma atheist--is there any other kind?--his entire purpose in life is to seek affirmation and reassurance of his own intelligence.

(I'd hypothesize that this driving need most atheists have for recognition of their intelligence is to somehow assuage that gnawing doubt that festers deep in their heart. "If everyone else says I'm smart, then I must indeed be so. Therefore I must be correct that there is no God!")

But if you view Sargon and his kind with that understanding--that his primary objective is to bolster the appearance of his intellect--then it becomes quite clear that he possess neither the desire nor the skillset to tackle any real challenge to his cosmotarian atheist worldview.

Anonymous Ages January 10, 2018 3:20 PM  

Somehow I doubt Sargon will ever respond to this or the 16 Points...

I wonder if Sargon and VD could get together on a stream and talk about the 16 points. It would be interesting.

Anonymous kfg January 10, 2018 3:23 PM  

"Sargon of Akkad is a leftist"

Sargon of Akkad is a liberal who identifies as a leftist so strongly that he cannot bring himself to admit that in today's political climate, where Thomas Paine is literally Hitler, that places him to the right of the mainstream, even as the left hunts for his head.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 10, 2018 3:24 PM  

Sargon was actually asking those questions of the Fake Right (e.g., the Spencer cult). It was a response to comments he heard on Millenial Woes' streams.

Ironically, Sargon is more right-wing than the Fake Right, since he actually believes in personal accountability and individual rights.

Anonymous Ages January 10, 2018 3:25 PM  

It is not a sin to marry someone who's pigment is lighter or darker.

All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient

Anonymous BBGKB January 10, 2018 3:29 PM  

1: Are Jews Oppressing White people?

That answer is like Are black males raping octogenarian white women. While not all black men rape octogenarian white women, about the only other group that rapes them are black lesbians. With good jews being like good moslems, if they exist in your nation they wont do anything to stop the bad ones.

2. Should Interracial Couples be forced to separate?

Given that
•92 percent of the biracial children of black fathers are born illegitimate.
•97 percent of the biracial children of black fathers and white mothers are born illegitimate.
•98 percent of white mothers never receive any financial support from the black fathers of their children even if they are married to them.
From Vox Day- To Shark or not to shark.

no surprise that the lotus-eating freeloaders are indignant at the observation that they are going to have to stop eating lotuses and freeloading

It would probably bother me less if they actually ate lotuses instead of steak & lobster.

Blogger VD January 10, 2018 3:41 PM  

So we should let Google oppress us with impunity?

What do you think lets Google do what they do? Google is a government creation. It is literally and legally a fake government-created pseudo person.

Blogger VD January 10, 2018 3:43 PM  

Sargon will continue ignoring your very existence, Vox.

We had a run-in on Twitter, if I recall correctly. I don't think he's seeking a repeat of the experience.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 10, 2018 3:44 PM  

Unabomber wrote:No state means no power means Muh 16 points are mere words.
And where, besides your shrivelled, hardened frontal cortex, did "No State" come from?
Did you actually read or just assume you already knew what they said?

Blogger Ceerilan January 10, 2018 3:45 PM  

@39

Sargon's affiliation with the left is tribal in nature. He does have a libertarian (in his dialect, he uses the word liberal) bent, but even the left trying to eat him alive via SJW attacks hasn't made enough of a dent in his identity to change it.

@4

If Gamma is always going to Gamma, then there is no point in them studying the SMV hierarchy for self improvement.

@38

I would pay to see the stream where Vox & Sargon sit down and discuss the 16 points in detail.

Anonymous Not Fred January 10, 2018 3:47 PM  

"Are Jews Oppressing White people?" This is indeed a loaded question; loaded to make it seem that if there is no "oppression," there is no problem. The proper question is, "Are Jews repeatedly at the vanguard of movements that undermine the structures and ideals of White society?"

Anonymous Opus January 10, 2018 3:49 PM  

I gave up listening to Sargon a good while ago. A lot of the time he is less than articulate and that is an addition to the gratuitous crudity of his language.

I understand that he left the debate early and that is not the first time he has had the ill-manners to do that.

He has now revealed his true views: he is not our man and can thus be ignored.

Anonymous User January 10, 2018 3:53 PM  

"I was thinking about the trinity of divine transcendentals: the true, the beautiful, and the good,"

Just as an aside, this shows the fundamental importance of the three normative sciences: logic, aesthetics, and ethics.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 10, 2018 3:56 PM  

It is not a sin to marry someone who's pigment is lighter or darker.

@12 Mom
Absolutely false. Considering the horrible deleterious effects, it is most definitely a sin, and possibly even a mortal sin, for a white person to marry, procreate with, or adopt a black person, especially if it involves bringing them to live in white society.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 10, 2018 4:01 PM  

Now as far as Latinos with no African ancestry or East Asians, I wouldn't necessarily say getting involved with them is sinful, but under the present circumstances, I wouldn't recommend it.

Anonymous User January 10, 2018 4:04 PM  

The bible is crystal clear on the sinfulness of bestiality.

Anonymous Gurpgork January 10, 2018 4:12 PM  

Those questions demonstrate his childish logic. Sargon still has no clue what the Alt Right is.
Probably too busy cucking around to do some research.

Blogger Cloudswrest January 10, 2018 4:19 PM  

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Blogger Cloudswrest January 10, 2018 4:20 PM  

Probably the most succinct rule of thumb to describe the alt-right is: That subset of the political right that accepts the empirical biological reality of human biodiversity (rejects the black slate), and it's implications.

Anonymous a_peraspera January 10, 2018 4:23 PM  

The US government has stated that preferentially hiring people of your own race is oppression (i.e. whites preferring to hire other whites is "disparate impact" and thus oppression).

By that logic, Jews preferring to hire other Jews in areas such as finance, banking, Hollywood and journalism means that Jews are indeed committing oppression.

Basically if whites aren't allowed to have freedom of association then Jews shouldn't either.

Blogger Jed Mask January 10, 2018 4:28 PM  

Hahaha... Interesting.

Leave it to Mr. Vox to "set the folks" straight. Hehehe...

So, these are *YOUR ANSWERS* to these questions Mr. Vox?

Well, I for one do agree with a lot of your answers; 75% but yet you goin' astray mi man... Astray.

And some of these comments... Smh.

Okay, gonna set some of this straight:

1: Are Jews Oppressing White people?

Jed's Answer #1: NO. WHITE PEOPLE are oppressing white people. But you know this huh, Mr. Vox?

2. Should Interracial Couples be forced to separate?

Jed's Answer #2: No; especially if they are a married couple. God don't like divorce.
_____________________

Everything else you've said I'm cool with but keeping in mind some of your answers have a "subjective taint" to them even though they are correct answers.

That said I realize the "Alt-Right" movement is a movement really only pertaining to White American peoples so I understand why you say what you say; the American minority peoples don't apply here...

So yeah, I'm reppin' Christ so everything is inferior to His Commission in the end.

Speak more *CHRIST* in the movement and I take this stuff more serious. Amen.

~ Bro. Jed

Blogger kevmalone January 10, 2018 4:29 PM  

Sargon was a badgering fool in his "discussion" with Spencer, Spencer was little more.
It is embarrassing that anyone would suggest a debate between him and VD.

Anonymous Ages January 10, 2018 4:32 PM  

By that logic, Jews preferring to hire other Jews in areas such as finance, banking, Hollywood and journalism means that Jews are indeed committing oppression.

Holocaust survivors are not able to oppress people, by definition.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 10, 2018 4:36 PM  

Speak more *CHRIST* in the movement

Hard to insert Him where He doesn't belong ("my kingdom is not of this world"), unless of course you're post-millennial.

Blogger JohnofAustria January 10, 2018 5:10 PM  

Sargon isn't smart enough to move beyond gotcha questions.

Blogger Nate73 January 10, 2018 5:11 PM  

Wait VD and Sargon ran into each other on twitter? When? What was it about?!

Blogger NO GOOGLES January 10, 2018 5:20 PM  

I used to be a big fan of Sargon's but when he started bashing the alt-right and associating it with the Hitler-panties set only, I tried for a while to point him to the 16 points. For my money, it's probably the most cogent and well considered outline for the alt-right for someone who actually wants to understand the position.

It was a major red pill when he completely ignored all of the interesting and thought-provoking parts of the alt-right to spam gay porn at the Hitler pantyists. When he does deign to interact with anyone who can even be considered alt-right, he regularly descends into incoherence and whataboutism.

Also, I don't think it's unfair to say he's moderately well-read. He has read a lot of enlightenment thinkers and a bit of other stuff. That's not bad for someone who pretends to be smart on youtube. I don't think he can be considered well-read in totality until he's read a lot more of the breadth of philosophy, but given his womanish hatred/jealousy of Christianity I imagine quite a bit of it he wouldn't read if his life depended on it.

Ideologically, he reminds me of a teenager who reads Das Capital and nothing else and suddenly fancies himself a communist. Too narrowly read.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 10, 2018 5:20 PM  

2. Should Interracial Couples be forced to separate?

Jed's Answer #2: No; especially if they are a married couple. God don't like divorce.


@56 Jed Mask
If they're a black/white couple, they should be made to go live in Jamaica or Ghana. Not here. At least there, their children will be at the top of the pyramid rather than near the bottom.

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums January 10, 2018 5:22 PM  

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

You guys are telling me neither of you saw the Sargon vs. Spencer debate?
Nor did you guys follow all the Skeptics(TM) vs. Alt-Right drama beforehand?

Mister Metokur (formerly Internet Aristocrat of gamergate fame) chronicled a bunch of this on YouTube.

To give a quick rundown:
- it was Sargon and Styx vs. Spencer
- Spencer came in swinging hard and started with insulting Sargon's intelligence in a polite manner
- Sargon lost his mind and kept laughing nervously and talked over everyone including his ally Styx which was actually having a productive conversation with Spencer
- he made a fool of himself for hours, it wasn't that he didn't have any arguments, he was just being belligerent
- Mister Metokur made a poll, the consensus of which was 66% Spencer victory
- Spencer started trolling Sargon
- /pol/ jumped in and started trolling Sargon
- Mister Metokur started trolling Sargon on several livestreams
- 4 days later and Sargon creates the Liberalist movement declaring himself leader; the purpose of the movemenet is changing the world and protecting his son from the government turning him into a tranny (his words)
- he said he didn't want to become the leader of a movement but he had to, that somebody had to take on the burden, someone with leadership qualities and abilities to organize events
- he also declared war on the Alt-Right because quote "they don't like me"
- Mister Metokur advises him in good faith that he should stop taking himself so seriously, Sargon call Metokur a coward and implies he's a hypocrite for not joining the Liberalist movement
- everybody started making fun of him, yet again, and it's not even been 24h since his "call to arms"

What's interesting to see is how the moderates are taking sides like mad and the tide is in favor of the Alt-Right solely because the other side is too cringy.

And it's barely been 10 days into 2018... Trump broke the internet.

Blogger Lovekraft January 10, 2018 5:22 PM  

I hesitate to jump on any groupthink condemnation because it is simplistic and makes one appear disingenuous. One comes across as spiteful. Whenever I see people take cheapshots at VoxDay, I naturally call them out and present them with the opportunity to debate the issues.

It seems the alt-right has two branches and may result in a power struggle in the coming months:

1. nationalism that excludes collectivism, but with strong leadership that can be trusted to perpetuate core values. This leadership recognizes the historical contribution of genetic groups and seeks to balance any disparities and redress the injustices of the past six or seven decades.

2. alt-lite type of ideology in which the elites give the public the appearance of national and ethnic sovereignty but only on the surface, meanwhile continuing globalist aims. In Canada, this would be a return (but fake) to 'solid' masculine tradition like Hockey for the men and domestic bliss for teh wimminz.

As for the alt-white, I don't think they can feasibly implement a wide-ranging strategy without incurring massive carnage (and, frankly, I would oppose).

Anonymous WinstonWebb January 10, 2018 5:23 PM  

Sargon insisted that the internment of Japanese was necessary in WWII since Japan was planning a large-scale invasion of the West Coast.
Hilarity ensued.



***(not what happened)***

Blogger Robert Browning January 10, 2018 5:37 PM  

To be Alt-right you must be pro-white and you must be anti-Jew.

Anonymous Sam the Man January 10, 2018 5:43 PM  

Hmmmm...


I do not see comment #66

"you have to be pro-white and anti-Jew"

How about you have to recognize reality and be able to deal with the world on that basis?

Reality and recognition of it is what I thought the 16 points were about.

Anonymous kfg January 10, 2018 5:44 PM  

". . .Sargon called Metokur a coward . . ."

Remember that Sargon is only Sargon as such because he was working support for Gamergate when IA/MM rage quit because he was frustrated that GG wouldn't fight an offensive.

It's the quitting of GG that made Sargon think of IA/MM as a coward, but if you watch the quit video and Sargon's response to it, Sargon missed nearly every point that IA/MM actually made.

It was IA/MM that gave us what I personally hold as the motto of the alt-right: Attack! Attack! Attack!

No coward there, but he is, by nature, a Lone Wolf Sniper, not a man of the phalanx, so when the phalanx refused to hold the line and PUSH he said fuck it and went back to sniping.

Blogger Blume January 10, 2018 5:47 PM  

These questions were definently leading and do reflect a spencerian view of the alt right. I find Millenial Woes answers to be more disheartening than Sargon's questions. Vox answers are pretty much what I expected and I think if Sargon gives us honest results they will be the majority answers as well.

I have a question for everyone that watches Sargon and believes in the sexual/social heirarchy. What is Sargon and why do you believe that? Based on his videos and popularity I was under the expression he was a Delta making the adjustment to becoming a Beta. His past seems very working class normal but for a while now he seems to be the de facto skeptics leader. He has denied this and I would expect a gamma to claim it even when there was no evidence to support his claim. But then recently he decided to take up that mantle after his debate with Spencer. Seems to be a lot like how Larry Correia started growing with the success of his writing career.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God January 10, 2018 6:06 PM  

So VFM #7634 says, "Considering the horrible deleterious effects, it is most definitely a sin, and possibly even a mortal sin, for a white person to marry, procreate with, or adopt a black person."

You best pray for forgiveness from God. Clearly, you are lying. Moses' wife was of another race, In Numbers 12:1-15, Aaron and Miriam were punished for criticizing this interracial marriage.

Colossians 3:11 makes it clear that from God's perspective all are one in Christ.

The Bible is abundently clear that when both parties are believers, interracial marriage has His blessing.

And, Deplorable...

"1: Are White People Oppressing Jews?"

Human beings oppress one another.

"2. Should Couples be forced to marry Interracially?"

There is no display of force here, but merely God's way. Couples of different races follow Him, not you.

"7. Does the existence of individual white people matter at all?"

The existence of ALL people matter to the Lord.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora January 10, 2018 6:12 PM  

Sargon is a gamma from what I've seen of him. He tends to retreat to mockery and outright dishonesty when he's caught in mistakes. He intentionally misrepresents people he disagrees with to win if he must. When he was on Joe Rogan's podcast, Rogan treated him like crap from pretty early on. The total lack of respect there was glaringly obvious. At the time I didn't understand what triggered it but looking back I think he may have been detecting the smell of gamma even if he wouldn't know what to call it.

Though Sargon IS the alpha of his community of goons. Of course, they're all socially maladjusted gammas (Kraut Splitcock being the worst) which only confirms it all the more I think.

Blogger michimartini January 10, 2018 6:16 PM  

It should be noted that Moses had a black (cushite) wife and was criticized for it. Which made God rather pissed. Does that make him a civic nationalist?

Blogger Lovekraft January 10, 2018 6:23 PM  

Was listening to Molyneux interview McInnes and Cernovich and among the great points was one that stood out:

the right lacks the ability to form a cohesive movement. It is comprised of the doers, who have lives to live, whereas the left are the parasites with vast funding and time with which to further their ends.

I believe Sargon is asking the same questions, as do most of us. How do we stop letting the globalists/marxists pick us off, wear us down, psychologically persecute us? Is it up to a steadfast group of martyrs? Political parties?

Regardless, it is THIS fault that should be the uniting theme among all dedicated to stopping the slow and steady decline to state control over our spirits, and its celebration of depravity.

The 16 points is a good start. Challenge an opponent to rebut it and/or suggest improvement and go from there. Build the connection.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 10, 2018 6:40 PM  

@70:
"Colossians 3:11 makes it clear that from God's perspective all are one in Christ."

1) Key phrase is 'in Christ' (that is, the company of believers). Anything else is neo-Babylonianism.

2) God did create the separate nations, and did exclude certain nationalities from the assembly (although any sincere convert could join).

3) It is a matter of fact that interracial pairings (except for white man, black woman) result in an increased divorce rate (up to a 200% increase).


"You best pray for forgiveness from God. Clearly, you are lying. Moses' wife was of another race, In Numbers 12:1-15, Aaron and Miriam were punished for criticizing this interracial marriage. "

Aaron and Miriam were not punished for criticizing the interracial marriage; they were punished for their pride and presumption that they were equals to Moses in theocracy and calling.

"The Bible is abundantly clear that when both parties are believers, interracial marriage has His blessing."

Chapter and verse, please?

Anonymous qualitycontrol January 10, 2018 6:52 PM  

68. kfg
Carl himself is the coward and him calling out Jim is nothing more than simple projection. That's the reason reason he tries to play silly rhetoric games and get these gotcha moments. He also profits from status quo and wants to keep his nice income.

Blogger WATYF January 10, 2018 6:55 PM  

That's an interesting one. FWIW, there is Old Testament precedent for this, as in the book of Ezra the Israelites set aside their foreign wives (and children) upon their return to Jerusalem.

This is retarded for two reasons: 1) The OT example had to do with religion, not race. God was abundantly clear that the issue was their foreign gods and "detestable practices". The topic of not marrying foreigners so that the Jews wouldn't stray from God is addressed several times in the OT. 2) We're not OT Israelites. That covenant is over. Even if your point was an accurate assessment of what happened in Ezra (which it wasn't), it wouldn't even matter because Jesus made it abundantly clear what He thought of divorce and He specifically contrasted it to the practices of the OT (Matt 19/Mark 10).

I'm not quite sure how anyone can read the Bible and come to the conclusion that scripture would support forcible government separation of married couples against their will (for any reason), but my guess is that "being utterly blinded by your political ideology" would top the list of explanations.

WATYF

Anonymous The Dude Abides January 10, 2018 6:57 PM  

As a reader who is not alt-right, just here because I'm intensely anti-SJW, I'm sure these will be quite unpopular :)

1: Are Jews Oppressing White people?
I don't know, in all my interactions with them I never got that impression. They do strongly favor the ones of their own race though.

2. Should Interracial Couples be forced to separate?
No. Why would they? Racial purity is irrelevant, it's cultural fragmentation that ruins society.

3. Should the government prevent citizens from leaving the country to preserve the race?
No, they should make sure the country continues to be attractive so people want to stay.

4. Should the state control education?
No, but the state should make sure that people have access to quality education, independently of who provides it.

5. Should the state control the media?
No. The state should however have some media channels, in addition to the private ones. Private media is a race to the bottom.

6. Should the State control the economy?
No, but it should regulate it, making sure that corporations do not trump the individual.

7. Do the decisions of individual white people matter to the alt right's goals?
N/A

8. Should women have a role in public life? (or should they be home makers?)
Both, as they desire. Don't force people to do things.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 10, 2018 6:58 PM  

Cheech And Chong Found God wrote:Moses' wife was of another race, In Numbers 12:1-15, Aaron and Miriam were punished for criticizing this interracial marriage.

They may have been fussing because Moses married outside the Tribe, but that doesn't seem to be what they fussed about, and it's not what God pitches into them about.

Numbers 12:1 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. 2 “Has the Lord spoken only through Moses?” they asked. “Hasn’t he also spoken through us?” And the Lord heard this.

What got God riled up? It looks as if it was their claiming that they were equal to Moses because God had spoken through them, too:

Numbers 12:5 Then the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud; He stood at the entrance to the tent and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When the two of them stepped forward, 6 He said, “Listen to my words:

“When there is a prophet among you,
I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions,
I speak to them in dreams.
7
But this is not true of my servant Moses;
he is faithful in all my house.
8
With him I speak face to face,
clearly and not in riddles;
he sees the form of the Lord.
Why then were you not afraid
to speak against my servant Moses?”

9 The anger of the Lord burned against them, and he left them.


No mention of Cushites or inter-racial marriages. God doesn't seem to really care where you find your spouse, but He definitely isn't defending inter-racial marriage here.

Anonymous Elder Son January 10, 2018 7:07 PM  

Chapter and verse, please?

Don't remember the exact chapter and verse, but Jesus did say that if your genealogy is not as pure as his, your all going to hell.

Blogger vorlos January 10, 2018 7:17 PM  

Jews have successfully colonized us. We do their will, not what's good for us. Racial mongrelization is not beneficial to us and not only creates unsightly, but less healthy offspring. The solution is not gov, but social shunning. Social disapproval is more powerful than law. Many will be a scofflaw, but almost no one dares break social taboos. A decent sense of esthetics and common sense would help too. But Jews have destroyed most of that.

Blogger SirHamster January 10, 2018 7:21 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:No mention of Cushites or inter-racial marriages. God doesn't seem to really care where you find your spouse, but He definitely isn't defending inter-racial marriage here.

There's an implicit defense; God doesn't agree with them.

But interracial marriage was regulated for the Hebrews, so it wasn't anything goes, either.

Which is instructive, but not constraining, for the Christian.

Anonymous Elder Son January 10, 2018 7:30 PM  

Jews have successfully colonized us.

Some people who are Jews, and not Jews, have successfully "colonized" the minds, of some peoples.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 10, 2018 7:31 PM  

You guys are telling me neither of you saw the Sargon vs. Spencer debate?

It was a pyrrhic victory for Spencer, since he literally declared that America was not founded to protect individual liberty and that the founders made everything up just to justify the revolution.

Mister Metokur advises him in good faith that he should stop taking himself so seriously, Sargon call Metokur a coward and implies he's a hypocrite for not joining the Liberalist movement

That’s a laughable interpretation of their conversation. Sargon conceded every single one of MM’s points: it’s cringe-y and embarrassing, he doesn’t want to do it, and he’s aware he may fail.

he also declared war on the Alt-Right because quote "they don't like me”

In this context, Alt-Right = Alt-Retard = Fake Right.

Sargon is a gamma from what I've seen of him.

He can get gamma-y in a hostile context, but under normal circumstances he’s pure delta.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 10, 2018 7:34 PM  

SirHamster wrote:There's an implicit defense; God doesn't agree with them.

Are you saying that God's angry with them, so everything they were fussing about was unacceptable to God? If so, it seems a weak argument. I think God made it pretty clear what He was correcting, and it wasn't their opinion of Moses' wife.

I really don't see any evidence in Numbers 12 that God cares about inter-racial marriage, one way or another.

Blogger The Kurgan January 10, 2018 7:36 PM  

I really don't know why anyone listens to Sargon. He's certainly no genius. But I suppose, as the saying goes, no one ever lost money by assuming MPAI.

Blogger S. Misanthrope January 10, 2018 7:38 PM  

@69 I have always thought Delta and nothing since has changed my mind. I've never seen a Gamma sperg move from him. Some have pointed to his response to Spencer's comments about his intelligence on the stream, but none of that looks Gamma to me, either. Spencer was presenting a lame non-argument and it tripped Sargon up because he's not a sigma who can just disdainfully laugh it off.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God January 10, 2018 7:48 PM  

“God did create the separate nations, and did exclude certain nationalities from the assembly.”

What specific passage are you referring to? Please recall that prohibitions were not strictly against Jewish-Gentile marriages as racial mixture, but against believer-unbeliever marriages (Deuteronomy 7:3).

“1) Key phrase is 'in Christ' (that is, the company of believers). Anything else is neo-Babylonianism.”



Which means all Christian men and women, providing they have faith in our Savior, are able to marry within or outside their race. If you want to extend a prohibition to non-Christians, it will fall on deaf ears, as they have their own path to their Lord on this particular matter.

“3) It is a matter of fact that interracial pairings…”

Which is not germane here.

“Aaron and Miriam were not punished for criticizing the interracial marriage; they were punished for their pride and presumption that they were equals to Moses in theocracy and calling.”

In the context of admonishing his decision, as their leader, in marrying someone outside of their race.

"The Bible is abundantly clear that when both parties are believers, interracial marriage has His blessing.”

God does not judge us by color; He judges the heart. The beauty of God's judgment is that he is “no respecter of persons” (Acts 10:34), and thus we are to judge the same way (1 Timothy 5:21; James 3:17). The blessing is derived from His messages here.

Blogger MJimmy January 10, 2018 7:59 PM  

@63 Good summary Wuzzums.

IIRC the Sargon vs. Styx vs. Spencer debate was a hangout hosted on Andy Warski's channel, moderated by him and JF Gariepy. Styx and Greg Johnson more recently had a comparatively civilized confrontation on Tara McCarthy's channel. Her and Warski are shaping up as two of the more interesting YTubers of the moment. The aforementioned J.F. Gariepy, Quebecois biologist, has emerged as another heavy hitter in the culture war.

Blogger Robert Browning January 10, 2018 8:14 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:Hmmmm...

I do not see comment #66

"you have to be pro-white and anti-Jew"

How about you have to recognize reality and be able to deal with the world on that basis?

Reality and recognition of it is what I thought the 16 points were about.


The reality is Jews are incompatible with civilized white Christian society and every single try has ended in failure. We are two very different people and things never end up well. That was the reasoning you Jews gave for the creation of Israel. And the non-Jew world agreed. What I can't understand is what are you doing here now, instigating and agitating against us serves what purpose?? The destruction of white Western Christian society?? You have everything else. There is no other reason for you to do what you are going. Tell me what is possible, for you dreams of destroying Christendom?? You think that is possible, Jew??

Anonymous Elder Son January 10, 2018 8:15 PM  

Keeping the bloodline pure from Nephilim races. Keeping the bloodline pure from paganism/idol worship. Those were the main concerns.

And remember, Abraham was a Chaldean, before his offspring became the Hebrews/Jews.

Anyhow, other than 2 American Indian ancestors, that don't even register in my DNA, I'm betting I am more Aryan/Celtic/Saxon White going back to just before A.D. (100% DNA) than most people commenting.

The most important aspect that one wants to keep in mind, is, in Christ. And, equally yoked. To be, of the same mind... in Christ. I see no problem with "White" preservation, but there are some cases to consider, not that I advocate the wholesale race copulation.

Blogger OGRE January 10, 2018 8:30 PM  

@85 The Kurgan

Its the British accent; same goes for Thunderfoot. Americans immediately perceive someone speaking with such an accent as highly intelligent. Dawkins and Hitchens received the same benefit. If Sargon sounded like Ali G he wouldn't have a quarter of the following he has now.

Blogger Forge the Sky January 10, 2018 8:54 PM  

Sargon is pretty purely delta. He isn't *really* comfortable with any ideas outside of his own overton window, and as such can't really debate productively with anyone holding them. He secretly believes that anyone who disagrees with him must be a fool, and as such tries to trip them up with 'gotcha's' rather than engaging, learning and debating. As kfg notes, this makes sniping his natural tactic.

This plus the fact that he's a situational alpha among his fans gives him a gamma air at close range - the sort of baseless loftiness that in other contexts often signifies a 'secret king' complex.

Styx is a classic case of an omega turning pure sigma. He really doesn't care what other people think, and so can reliably analyze all manner of ideas and discuss them. Note also the relative lack of ego - the fact that his fans are legion doesn't really matter much to him on an emotional level either. He mostly sees it as proof that he's acting in a well-calibrated fashion.

Don't know much about Spencer. He strikes me as a beta.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 10, 2018 8:57 PM  

"What specific passage are you referring to? Please recall that prohibitions were not strictly against Jewish-Gentile marriages as racial mixture, but against believer-unbeliever marriages (Deuteronomy 7:3)."

Deuteronomy 23 excludes both Ammonites and Moabites from the assembly of the Lord, even to the tenth generation (among others). It DOES allow Edomites and Egyptians at the third generation, however. Your assertion for 'believers-unbelievers' solely does not hold up under those facts, nor the actions taken by the Jews in Nehemiah 13 and Ezra 9; both instances do not make reference to believers v. unbelievers.

God does make exceptions (see Ruth and Rahab) for those who sincerely believe (also because they were women and somewhat excluded from outside involvement sans death of a husband), but the general rule remains.

":Which means all Christian men and women, providing they have faith in our Savior, are able to marry within or outside their race."

Never said otherwise.

" If you want to extend a prohibition to non-Christians"

That is what is called social pressure and shaming.

"Which is not germane here."

Seeing that

1) God created race
2) God hates divorce.
3) the fact that interracial marriages have an increased chance of divorce (in most cases)

would to support the assertion that interracial marriage is not the norm and should be approached with wisdom and caution.

Even if both parties are Christian, there are still problems to overcome (Protestant v. Catholic v. E. Orthodox).

"In the context of admonishing his decision, as their leader, in marrying someone outside of their race."

God's reprimand to Miriam and Aaron is found in Numbers 12:4-9, and has no mention of race.

"God does not judge us by color; He judges the heart. The beauty of God's judgment is that he is “no respecter of persons” (Acts 10:34), and thus we are to judge the same way (1 Timothy 5:21; James 3:17). The blessing is derived from His messages here."

1) No where in the Scriptures you have cited is 'race' mentioned. You are adding to the Word of God to prop up your theory.

2) 'Christian' covers Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox (and there is even a lot of variation within sects).

2) I have personally dated across race, culture, and language. Despite the fact all parties were Christian, the differences added up. Everyone left on God-honoring terms.

3) No one is God and perfect (unless you are claiming otherwise). There is nothing wrong with wanting to marry someone who looks like you and has similar cultural background. If you can make a mixed marriage work, then good for you!

However, I get a sense that you and others are looking down on the rest of us for not wanting to marry someone different; and that is arrogance. And as a prophet once said (1 Samuel 15:23), arrogance is like sacrifices to idols.

Anonymous Sam the Man January 10, 2018 9:04 PM  

Robert Browning,

You make me smile, I do not see the title Jew as an insult and would be comfortable to stand with them, though I doubt they would all that wild about that, other than some family.

Actually I have not done much to destroy Christendom as of late, other than to contribute a few children to it, do a wee bit of service and pay a fair bit of taxes. The kids could pass as Lebensborn, if you know what that is, even spencer might like them. I am not philosophically opposed to Christianity, and hold it to have been central to the rise of western Christendom, the highest expression of civilization in this world to exist yet. I would defend it, living within what remains of the civilization, though I feel constrained to only fight in "just war".

If you think you want to exclude the influence of Jews, well instead of raw hostility get to know them. If you want to encourage them to make Aliyah, you may actually be serving your G_D, I do not assert to know. But the real answer that matches reality might be a bit more complex then blaming all the ills of the west on a tribe of wandering merchants.

I return your contempt with a gesture of kindness, bless you and yours.

Anonymous kfg January 10, 2018 9:15 PM  

@Forge the Sky:

Pronoun trouble. I was actually referring to Jim as the sniper. Aside from his discontent with Gamergate's unwillingness to fight (as well as people starting to make it about YT earnings, which really got Sargon's goat), he was just plain uncomfortable being point man for a group. He doesn't even like being too popular and has "started the Internet over" a few times to reduce his following.

Blogger Rashadjin January 10, 2018 9:16 PM  

I stopped paying attention to Sargon and Styx a while ago. The former is something like a smart-ish classic liberal - and I very much enjoyed some of the fallout from him tweeting to some Brit politician "I wouldn't even rape you" regarding that hysteria going on - but his schtick gets old sooner or later. Blah blah feminism and fascist/totalitarian insanity everywhere. He's no Gamma. His problem seems to be a lot about him not being as good as he thinks he is, nor has he examined and come to understand his 'opponents' on the right like he thinks he has. At least some of his limitations stem from the limitations and errors of his preciously held beliefs.

Styx is...a character. Prolific. He's not as smart or insightful as he thinks he is. Swims out into places he has no clue about and tries to extrapolate from a vague understanding. Typical abstract thinker flaws combined with your typical libertarian thinker flaws.

Black Pigeon Speaks is far more interesting than both while still keeping some of that lefty mindset.

Someday, if I find the place and time, I'll have to check out some of Styx's mythology reprints/compilations/editions of old works to see if they're any good.

More on topic, it kinda seems like the interwebs are trying and slowly failing to keep the lid on you, Vox. Shudder to think if youtubers started paying attention to you when debating out the merits or future of the Alt-Right and whatnot.

Anonymous Rocklea January 10, 2018 9:21 PM  

"The aforementioned J.F. Gariepy, Quebecois biologist, has emerged as another heavy hitter in the culture war."

Perhaps one of the best debaters I've ever seen. An atheist and a moral nihilist, extremely consistent in his reasoning, a steel trap memory and a sigma. He views religion as an effective evolutionary breeding adaptation for the purpose of descent.

He took Kraut down with ease. If you want to get an idea of his live debating skills check out this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1OIp9vOiERo
Epic Veganism Debate With a Literal Soy Boy.

The irony of the atheist moral nihilist position is the leap of faith it requires.

Blogger LP9 January 10, 2018 9:34 PM  

Thank you for this clarity, great post; I am sending this post off to a host of emailers as 1 thru 8 are sufficient and consistent with the 16 points.

83 Spencer was snarky, offputting (as usual) as I heard him Styx, Sargon, the moderator discuss/debate then in another recent youtube Bre, Mark, Steven, Tara weighed in to some degree or featured comments on this week on the alt right along with other topics. (Including the Golden One defending Tara.) Dont judge yet -

I heard all sides considering they are young dear kindred kids trying their best, meaning goodwill, I am compassionate I remember what it was to be their age...They dont understand they too will change and grow.

My tastes resonate with RooshV whom is concerned and rightfully so about the safety of young women under 30 on the internet, I share his concerns too. In fact Roosh did a Christmas and New Years Call in show, lovely listening, as a woman I don't invade the men talking or their spaces in comments, I listen, enjoy, pray etc. I'm busy at home.

What I find puzzling or strange is that Vox isn't getting royalty checks when youtubers, good young people trying to figure life out, sort themselves out in a difficult era, are using "Cucks" or Cuckservative when Vox Day wrote the book and the use of alt right without bothering to read the 16 very simple translated into many languages points of reason if the 16 points were read and understand all this mired talk would be very clear to others but again, I offer no criticism but judgement.

Young alt right is so right they dont want Stefan or Jordan Peterson or the alt lite around at all. Seriously, I listen carefully, never comment I don't approve of Mark or Spencer being tainted by David Boomer Duke - all three allegedly talk, they are being misled to some degree.

Ironically Styx is not misled and never makes personal attacks just as Stefan to Cerno don't, those men dont care to make personal attacks because its stupid.

Before the critics start, keep in mind that many Vox Day embraces eventually are helped regarding their belief in God and their understanding this world isn't their home. I have heard those whom have become friends with Vox turn to God via youtube periscope, this is beautiful, the more debates the more faith is introduced but I leave people alone to their beliefs. I am tired with evangelical atheists and the Evangelical Christians starting trouble, too old too tired.

During the debate which went fine, Sargon was being himself, rather comedic considering Sargon and Spencer are the same age with the moderator and Styx being younger whom did fine. Styx and Sargon have a passing grade from me, as I do not care for the likes of Kessler, Spencer or have any time for oldiesDukey. Sargon in his usual (semi) serious attitude simply questioning things in a manner to kinda troll Spencer into using personal attacks calling questions or certain issues autism in which Styx civilly stated, "that's a personal attack" - Styx is correct Spencer was using petty attacks and petty labels from autism to whatever on the panel. Sargon did fine -

(Trad Thot seemed to arise from a 2015 ThoT rap video, this is cruel; the black men COULD NOT or were too dumb or dishonest like Spencer and Anglin to sing/rap about hypergamy, women are not walking around where I live with their bodies hanging out getting loads of attention, THOT'ing around. It's a big city thing doesn't happen in WV EVER. It's called indecent exposure no matter the weather and an atrocity to the vision.)


(I recommend consulting with Greg Johnson regarding this alt right matter. I think Greg is very aware. I also recommend Roy Masters to some degree for living a life where nothing and no one bothers you, turn your feelings off, get objective, laugh a bit, stop reacting to things that means nothing to your life path of growth in other words fix your own life.)

Blogger LP9 January 10, 2018 9:36 PM  

97 Tell him to talk to Jordan Peterson. Silly Rebellion.

Blogger LP9 January 10, 2018 9:41 PM  

96 Styx is growing, with hold judgement please, he wants a future too, our younger people are not BAD, they are growing, perhaps prayer and debate to kindness would help out? Right? Right. Compassion...no one saw the sadness in Corey's eyes this week, he did a part 2 to his youtube video, pray for the younger people, pray for Corey whom's our age but no matter prayer and clarity is a blessing.

Anonymous Cadwallander J January 10, 2018 9:53 PM  

So of course no one can read the plain language of Ezra 9 and 10:

Ezra 9:1-2 the princes came to me saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands .

Apparently the notion that the first covenant has been completely done away with serves the purpose of the lazy not to read the old testament.

Ezra 9:12 Now therefore give not your daughters unto their sons, neither take their daughters unto your sons, nor seek their peace or their wealth forever: that ye may be strong, and eat the good of the land, and leave it for an inheritance to your children forever

Now that's familiar - where have I heard talk of creating a nation for the benefit of one's posterity?

And the solution to this trespass?

Ezra 10:2-2 We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing. Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of out God.

And then Nehemiah:

13:23-24 In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, or Ammon, and of Moab. And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people.

You can read verse 25-31 for yourselves. But keep on being blatantly dishonest and tell me that God endorses those fake black/white couples selling Ikea junk. Nothing in the Old Testament matters right? But God knows what Vox alludes to in his answer - interracial marriage is a bad idea.

Anonymous kfg January 10, 2018 9:53 PM  

@Roclea:

IF is such good debater that he gets criticized for his sharp meme skills, because he doesn't need to go for that sort of easy kill shot.

I'll note that my own thought at the Meme of the Yeaar event was, "Kraut, trout don't get pregnant, but more to the point, why the hell would the male stay with the female when the female doesn't even stick around to see if her children get born, and if she ever happens to meet one wi!l probably eat it, so what the he'll does the presumed short gestation period (what you would have called it if you knew what were talking about) have to do with it?"

But "pregnant trout" was definitely the better kill shot.

Blogger Bob Loblaw January 10, 2018 9:58 PM  

JohnG wrote:Sargon's pretty good, but I don't think he realizes the Alt-Right isn't monolithic.

He does. I remember him saying something along the lines of "You have to be more specific than 'alt-right', because people with wildly divergent views are labeled or label themselves that way".

Sargon doesn't like labels because they hide the underlying complexity. But like the rest of us he can't avoid using them - you can't drill down to first principles every time you want to have a political discussion.

Blogger FUBARwest January 10, 2018 9:59 PM  

@Forge the Sky

Isn't the description you laid out gamma behavior?

Anonymous kfg January 10, 2018 10:13 PM  

@ Whom it may concern:

And although I have found Kraut's meltdown and implosion the most entertaining drama in years, I haven't been able to follow it all that closely and am no doubt missing much nuance,so,did I miss something, or did Kraut's panel of "credentialed scientists" really turn out to just be a bunch of sophmores?

Anonymous Rocklea January 10, 2018 10:30 PM  

@kfg

"But "pregnant trout" was definitely the better kill shot."

I think in one of videos critiquing Kraut he called it "the fish fallacy". Calling what happened to Kraut a debate was not my intention, that was a campaign. The easy kill shot was not the goal. No, when I refer to his debating skills I mean in genuine debate, one on one, he takes the fairest most well stated position of his opponent, deconstructs that position and then wins.

Blogger Forge the Sky January 10, 2018 10:36 PM  

@kfg

Ah thanks, I wasn't really around for the whole gamergate thing. Seeing as I'm often proximal to veterans of the whole thing I'm thrown on my heels sometimes.

@FUBAR

Yes, but not gamma motivation.

The difference lies in the impact it has upon the person's ego. Deltas are offended when their just-so stories are refuted, but don't enter ego-crisis meltdown.

Blogger Forge the Sky January 10, 2018 10:40 PM  

I didn't follow the ensuing drama, but Kraut's initial video demonstrated how to exquisitely reason from the conclusion.

The best I can say for him is that his data definitely demonstrated that his opponent's conclusions aren't yet definitive. They certainly did not merit his conclusion that they were refuted.

Anonymous Elder Son January 10, 2018 10:44 PM  

@101 Doing according to their abominations are the key words.

On the other hand:

What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people.” “Therefore come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you.” And: “I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” - 2 Corinthians 6:17-18

Or,

I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off. “And the foreigners who join themselves to the Lord, to minister to him, to love the name of the Lord, and to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath and does not profane it, and holds fast my covenant— these I will bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer; their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.” - Isaiah 56:5-7

Ya know, there is always a reason and why, when the bible is taken in context as a whole.

Blogger Koanic January 10, 2018 10:49 PM  

>> 5. Should the state control the media?
> No.

That is un-Biblical. The Bible prescribes different economic treatment for foreigners versus countrymen, as it does different treatment for heretical versus true speech. Regulating the traffic of ideas is more important than the traffic of goods.

Blogger FUBARwest January 10, 2018 10:52 PM  

@Forge

I think making a video creating your own movement called "liberalists" and keeping the definition vague enough to include conservatives, libertarians, and actual liberals while considering SJWs and the Alt-Right your enemies(the Alt-Right because "they don't like me) could classify as an ego-crisis meltdown.

Blogger Koanic January 10, 2018 11:00 PM  

> God doesn't seem to really care where you find your spouse,

False. The Bible is all about bloodlines. Mixed multitudes are despised. How can you even say that, given the lengths Abraham went to in order to secure an appropriate wife for his son?

And Moses' "Cushite" wife doesn't necessarily mean black. Ethiopia was settled by light-skinned Jews who then miscegenated. Egypt also used to be much whiter. These people trying to claim ancient African glory for the niggers are unwittingly underling that niggers ruin everything.

Anonymous Sunnybutt January 10, 2018 11:08 PM  

Aeoli. Man looks at the body, but the Lord looks at heart.

Anonymous kfg January 10, 2018 11:09 PM  

@Rocklea:

Exactly, which is why some people are uncomfortable with the way he handled Kraut. They don't seem to understand that you can't properly debate someone like Kraut who, doesn't understand the rules of debate, wouldn't follow them if he did, because his position is purely emotional and he doesn't have even a fundamental understanding of the subject.

So all you're left with is allowing him to show himself for a fool.

And it turns out If is pretty good at that - as well.

Blogger MJimmy January 10, 2018 11:15 PM  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpOyEy97Gqg

Greg Johnson answers Sargon (w/M. Woes)

Anonymous Yann January 10, 2018 11:23 PM  

Should women have a role in public life? (or should they be home makers?)

I think the question is wrong. The question should be "Should women be free to have a role in public life?". And they should, no quotas, no coercion.

By the way, when you give women REAL freedom to have (or not) a career they mostly like it home.

Anonymous Rocklea January 10, 2018 11:24 PM  

Minor correction @kfg, it's "JF" not "IF", unless the comments section is doing something weird. Jean-Francois Gariépy.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 10, 2018 11:38 PM  

@109:

"Ya know, there is always a reason and why, when the bible is taken in context as a whole."

Ancient Israel was a kingdom made of a homogenous ethnicity and had theocracy with a monarchy (technically God, but in latter years with a human king). According to its law
a) everyone had to bend the knee to the Law or get killed.
b) certain peoples were excluded, and certain people were permitted.
c) the law applied equally to everyone.
d) it had one religion (in theory).

Modern-day America is run by a 9-person oligarchy in black robes who think they are gods. Moreover, America
1) pretends that the right to worship any god but God is 'Christian' and acceptable.
2) welcomes the Dirt World horde who care nothing for the nation or its values, but are basically parasites (and get better treatment than America's own citizens).
3) treats its producers and main founding stock (that is, WASPs) like second-class citizens
4) not only invents new perversions and encourages them, but moreover spreads its poison to the rest of the world.

Speaking of not getting the context....(shakes head)

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 10, 2018 11:42 PM  

"By the way, when you give women REAL freedom to have (or not) a career they mostly like it home."

Pandora and Eve had REAL freedom. And look what they did with it.

Anonymous kfg January 10, 2018 11:49 PM  

@Rocklea

I'm commenting from a tablet which is not behaving as I might like.

Anonymous kfg January 10, 2018 11:55 PM  

@118:

I note that God granted the Israelites a king as punishment for desiring one.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 11, 2018 12:13 AM  

@121:

Not exactly.

Deuteronomy 17:14-20 precluded the desire for a king, and set the requirements for a king if they should want one. I have heard it argued that King Saul was a punishment (that is, the man rather than the position).

Anonymous kfg January 11, 2018 12:29 AM  

@122:

Well,I might argue that the two positions are not exclusive, but perhaps "punishment" is a loaded term. It's more a situation of " Be careful what you wish for, you might get it." God showing a sense of ironic humor.

Still,it amounted to a second order expulsion from Paradise. A further separation from the direct stewardship of God.

Blogger Koanic January 11, 2018 12:30 AM  

Bravo, vfmshadow0342.

Blogger TheLiberatorOfBados January 11, 2018 12:42 AM  

@44, 63

I was wondering why Sargon debated Spencer and not Vox. Spencer isn't the alt-right and a waste of time to talk to. Vox would have made more sense. Though if Vox is recalling right, then it confirms what I suspected after that stream with Jim and Louis.

The SJW menace on Youtube and in general (at least in the US) is on the retreat. They still have power, but they increasingly they are seeing pushback and are being marginalized and mocked. Sargon was part of the group that was doing this. Now, what does he do?

Someone pointed out that Sargon's Patreon had dropped around $1000 since November. So Sargon needs a new boogieman to go after. The Alt-Right. Sargon thought he could go after Spencer as an easy target. Turned out Sargon wasn't as clever as he thought he was and was made to look like a fool. And Jim (IA/MM) all but called him out on this. I think Jim went easy on Sargon. And with Sargon shitting on Jim for leaving Gamergate, he absolutely could have been justified in plunging the blade down to the hilt.

The fact that others on here have mentioned trying to get Sargon to talk to Vox but hasn't is pretty damning to me. Sargon is having a meltdown, along with his team of skeptics. Without the SJW menace what purpose do they have? And they can't attack the Alt-Right because the Alt-Right aren't antagonizing the normies. Jim was ahead of the curve on this and went back to just shitposting about crazy shit on the internet like he used to do.

Sargon should do the same, but maybe his livelihood depends on it now? Either way I have a feeling that Sargon is in for some rough waters after what's happened in the past few months....

Blogger Rashadjin January 11, 2018 1:25 AM  

@112 Koanic (second from right)

Actually, God was about having a covenant with person who became a people in order to fulfill his plans for all humanity whereas the Israelites were about tracking that covenant and related prophecies through bloodlines. There's a bit of a distinction there.

As Rahab the Amorite, from the people who were suppose to get wiped out with the fall of Jericho, become the mother of Boaz and inducted into Jesus' lineage. She's not a Jew proper, and rather screws up your petty little fixation on bloodlines.

God's issue was about idolatry and immorality when mixing bloodlines, because those foreign, pagan wives had a bad habit of overpowering the Jews' weak and transitory devotion to God.

But at least you're consistent about always focusing on the wrong thing, Koanic.

@122 vfmshadow0342

But additionally, 1 Samuel 8: 7-9 has God saying that the Israelite's desire for a king was a rejection of Himself as their king. Their desire for an earthly, human king and the stipulations set for when that desire finally won doesn't preclude it from being a bad thing in general.

Anonymous Elder Son January 11, 2018 1:55 AM  

Speaking of not getting the context....(shakes head)

And that has to do with your selective bible quotes, how?

Oh. Wait.

b) certain peoples were excluded, and certain people were permitted.

Exactly. And not necessarily "Jew".

But then, to be fair, if everyone in America were eliminated except White Christians, well... then you have the 1001 Christian Dal... denominations competing against each other for their earthly pie.

Christ isn't leaving His Iron Rod in heaven upon His return.

Anyhow, how did all that homogenous-ness work out in Israel?

Blogger Koanic January 11, 2018 2:43 AM  

> Exactly. And not necessarily "Jew".

Based on genetic distance. So America can accept the occasional high-quality European immigrant who is closely related to WASPs.

> how did all that homogenous-ness work out in Israel?

It worked great until they miscegenated, liar. Who are you to question God's eugenics? To hell with you.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 11, 2018 2:57 AM  

"And that has to do with your selective bible quotes, how?"

There's the singularity calling the neutron star 'black'.

"then you have the 1001 Christian Dal... denominations competing against each other for their earthly pie."

For starters, I'm fairly certain they won't riot in the ghettoes or strap bombs to their chests and blow up a plane.

"if everyone in America were eliminated except White Christians"

A nation is a group of people with similiar ethnic, cultural, and/or religious values. Seeing as America has none of those things, on which one or those baseis would you be willing to conduct purges / deportations in order to achieve a stable society (my personal preference would be religion, but that's me)?


"Anyhow, how did all that homogenous-ness work out in Israel?"

They clearly disobeyed God. And paid the consequences.

Anonymous Svensons January 11, 2018 3:07 AM  

This Bible nonsense gets tiring. If you want to follow the Holy Scripture closely, you have to abstain from marriage, as it teaches it's best not to marry. The Early Church Fathers understood this; Augustine understood this very well and drew the logical conclusion of this in Of the Good of Marriage and Of the Good Of Widowhood (see his answer to those vain persons who ask ``but how shall the human race persist?''); Newman is conscious of it as well in his Loss and Gain.

The question one should rather ask as a Christian is how one can have a child if it's possible for it could to go to hell. Especially since Christ himself teaches it's better never to have been born than to be cast into the lake of fire (Matthew 26:24; Mark 14:21). (Annihilationism is therefore false, as it's also written that there will be gnashing of teeth.)

After all, the Bible teaches obedience, not that life is a gift, as the shallow modern-day theology wants us to believe. Christianity, at its core, is a pessimistic doctrine*. Otherwise there would be no need to humble oneself.

* The modern Christian feels professionally obligated to act jovially and jokingly, to show his teeth in a cheerful grin, to profess a slavering friendliness, in order to prove to the unbeliever that Christianity is not a “somber” religion, a “pessimistic” doctrine, an “ascetic” morality.
The progressive Christian shakes our hand with the wide grin of a politician running for office.
(Nicolás Gómez Dávila)

Blogger Koanic January 11, 2018 3:22 AM  

> If you want to follow the Holy Scripture closely, you have to abstain from marriage, as it teaches it's best not to marry.

Ye do greatly err. Paul gave his opinion. Paul is not God. He wasn't even Pope.

> The question one should rather ask as a Christian is how one can have a child if it's possible for it could to go to hell.

No one should not. That is your modern ethical universalist injection of an attitude wholly absent from the Bible. Nowhere does it appear. Your children are not yours; they are God's. To fear his harshness for their sake is to deny God's justice and mercy. Burying one's seed in one's hand is no different than burying one's talent in the ground. "For I knew that thou art a hard man," gets you nowhere with God.

Now in times of great distress, yes it may be better not to raise children. For this there is Biblical precedent. For example, I refused to raise children in Satan's USA, because the Great Machine had grown so skilled at devouring them from dhimmi Christian homes. I would not raise children to be turned into secularist cucks and sluts any more than I would to be the catamites and harem slaves of Mohammad, or the prey of wild beasts.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 11, 2018 3:39 AM  



@129:
@129:
"This Bible nonsense gets tiring."

You can have Christianity without Western Civilization, but you cannot have Western Civilization without Christianity.

@130:

Amen.

Blogger Robert Browning January 11, 2018 3:44 AM  

Sam the Man wrote:Robert Browning,

You make me smile, I do not see the title Jew as an insult and would be comfortable to stand with them, though I doubt they would all that wild about that, other than some family.

Actually I have not done much to destroy Christendom as of late, other than to contribute a few children to it, do a wee bit of service and pay a fair bit of taxes. The kids could pass as Lebensborn, if you know what that is, even spencer might like them. I am not philosophically opposed to Christianity, and hold it to have been central to the rise of western Christendom, the highest expression of civilization in this world to exist yet. I would defend it, living within what remains of the civilization, though I feel constrained to only fight in "just war".



If you think you want to exclude the influence of Jews, well instead of raw hostility get to know them. If you want to encourage them to make Aliyah, you may actually be serving your G_D, I do not assert to know. But the real answer that matches reality might be a bit more complex then blaming all the ills of the west on a tribe of wandering merchants.

I return your contempt with a gesture of kindness, bless you and yours.

The destruction of Christianity is a Jewish goal. It is the only way for the Jew messiah to enter the world. You side with who ever you want. But are you proud and are you willing to fight and die for the anti-Christ??

Blogger Koanic January 11, 2018 5:45 AM  

> you may actually be serving your G_D

When Israel was Jehovah's, he removed Baalim from their lips, and filled their scripture with His Name thousands of times. Now that the Jews are Satan's, He removes His holy Name from their lips, and it is found not once in their false scripture.

Blogger Cool Guy449xx_420 January 11, 2018 6:54 AM  

+1 nice
Shows how retarded the man truly is.

Anonymous Svensons January 11, 2018 8:35 AM  

No one should not. That is your modern ethical universalist injection of an attitude wholly absent from the Bible. Nowhere does it appear. Your children are not yours; they are God's. To fear his harshness for their sake is to deny God's justice and mercy. Burying one's seed in one's hand is no different than burying one's talent in the ground. "For I knew that thou art a hard man," gets you nowhere with God.

You are dodging it. You aren't smarter than Otto Weininger or Augustine, who understood this. The fact that I had no say in the matter of my birth is a mechanic that I detest, even though I am a Christian. Hallpike makes the point as well that throughout Christianity, people did not even know if they would not end up in hell. And Christ himself teaches it is better never to have been than to be cast in to the lake of fire.

The Bible teaches celibacy for a good reason. As I as a Christian understand the Gospels, almost no one will enter the kingdom of God. Also, the talents don't mean natural ability, which is a modernist interpretation as well. Almost no one has any natural talents, most people are average and live average lives.

Most people throughout the ages lived simple lives. If you now even want to make the point that every Christian has to heed the Great Commission, then this would mean that throughout Christendom almost everyone did not obey it.

Someone who marries does not live according to Colossians 3:2.

Anonymous Svensons January 11, 2018 8:39 AM  

Ye do greatly err. Paul gave his opinion. Paul is not God. He wasn't even Pope.

No, Vox Day understands this as well. Either what Paul said matters or it doesn't. And most Christians think that his Letters matter. Apart from that, Matthew 26:24, Matthew 19:12. Newman understood this as well. If I said marriage is a sin, I'd err, but I did not say that.

Anonymous Svensons January 11, 2018 8:52 AM  

Also, see Acts 9:15. Either way, I have made my decision: I won't and can't have children, since I almost ended up where there will be gnashing of teeth. I hange myself with 23 and lost consciousness, my incompetency saved me from this dire fate.

That one can't will one's own birth is already an ethical dilemma that Weininger, who converted to Protestantism, was aware of.

Blogger Koanic January 11, 2018 9:14 AM  

I rather suspect the interruption of blood flow to the brain has adversely affected your reading comprehension. Nobody cares about your feelings of worthlessness. There is no Biblical basis for the doctrine that suicides go to Hell. It's just weak.

What is it about the Bible that makes every moron who glances at it instantly convinced he fully understands it? Jehovah could hardly have made it longer and more obscure without eluding human understanding altogether!

Blogger Koanic January 11, 2018 9:22 AM  

Hah, I forgot, Jehovah has actually abetted a deity-assisted suicide:
Samson's revenge!
So the Catholic doctrine that suicides go to Hell is yet another of their lies.
Catholic. A fitting name. All-embracing, like the broad path and wide gate.

Anonymous Sam the Man January 11, 2018 9:26 AM  

Koanic,

I think you have it slightly wrong:

JC , if my reading of the 4 gospels is correct, used the phrase "my Father in Heaven" as the name of G-D was not used in vain, it was used in very specific circumstances only, the rest of the time being referred to by a euphemism.

Now say what you will about the 1st century Jews, but they were certainly not ignoring G-D, they simply (according to Christian traditions) had an awful lot wrong, things that they had no excuse for having wrong, because of the "stiff neck and proud nature". If I read it correctly, it was not so much the common Judean that JC had issues with, but the leadership of the Temple and Synagogue. He seemed to like the average Hebrew of the day and said so.

Robert Browning:

Your comment is odd, you seem to ignore my previous statement, where I explicitly say I view Christianity in a very positive manner. What I wrote I believe is an objectively true statement of reality. I see defense of the west and Christianity as being pretty much the same thing.

Now it would be fair to say that many Jews do not particularly hold the Christian world view in high regard: that is because they are convinced JC is a false messiah. It does not hold that they then have hostility to individual Christians, the intermarriage rate shows that not to be the case at all.

It would also be true, though I am sure it would cause and argument, that many modern Jews have decide the messiah is not showing up. Odd but true, if you look at the ground level. Now the concept that the Jewish Messiah is one of the anti-Christ(s) mentioned in the Christian Bible may well be true, but to many modern Jews of reform and conservative alignment, they are not waiting (alt all) for this to show up and put the Jewish messiah and people on top.

Anonymous OP January 11, 2018 9:27 AM  

Those who claim that miscegenation is a grave sin, I posit that we are all products of this great sin since the three tribes who created modern Europeans were separated genetically as far as we are to Africans/Asians. Other people who are products of sin include Native Americans and South Asians. What to do then? I don't agree with mass miscegenation because it removes the uniqueness of culture, but it is a stretch to call it a grave sin since modern populations are derived from it.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God January 11, 2018 9:47 AM  

For vfmshadow0342 -->

“Deuteronomy 23 excludes both Ammonites and Moabites from the assembly of the Lord, even to the tenth generation (among others). It DOES allow Edomites and Egyptians at the third generation, however. Your assertion for 'believers-unbelievers' solely does not hold up under those facts, nor the actions taken by the Jews in Nehemiah 13 and Ezra 9; both instances do not make reference to believers v. unbelievers.”

An alleged prohibition that was constructed by Jews, not Christians. Be reminded that Deuteronomy itself only explicitly bans marrying women of the seven Canaanite nations, but as reflected in the law of the captive woman in Deuteronomy 21:10–14, it considers legitimate the marrying of foreign women.  Furthermore, the actual intent in Deuteronomy 23:2–9 was to restrict the participation of certain groups of in daily Israeli affairs, NOT prohibiting interracial or intergroup marriage. In addition, the two groups mentioned—Ammonites and Moabites—were excluded because they actively engaged in depravity.

“Seeing that 1) God created race”

The human race.

“2) God hates divorce.”

Indeed.

“3) the fact that interracial marriages have an increased chance of divorce (in most cases)”

OK.

“would to support the assertion that interracial marriage is not the norm and should be approached with wisdom and caution. “



No, it would support the assertion that modern marriage regardless within a race or between the races has its hazards, and does not mean that whites and non-whites ought not be joined in holy matrimony. And your statement, while noble in intent, in reality is only a suggestion made by certain people, not an absolute prohibition by God.

"If you want to extend a prohibition to non-Christians"

“That is what is called social pressure and shaming.”



Which, again, observably means little or nothing to non-Christians or atheists or citizens of a nation who embrace secularism.

“God's reprimand to Miriam and Aaron is found in Numbers 12:4-9, and has no mention of race.”

The admonishment by God of clearly indicates His support.


“I have personally dated across race, culture, and language. Despite the fact all parties were Christian, the differences added up. Everyone left on God-honoring terms.”



For YOU, personally, these differences “added up”. But Jesus and His apostles taught that we must respect and show compassion for all people of God's creation without regard to human constructs like race and nationality.

“However, I get a sense that you and others are looking down on the rest of us for not wanting to marry someone different; and that is arrogance. And as a prophet once said (1 Samuel 15:23), arrogance is like sacrifices to idols.”

Your attitude is entirely misplaced. 

So long as you live in according to our Lord, feel free to chose not to marry someone outside of your race or ethnic group.

“False. The Bible is all about bloodlines. Mixed multitudes are despised.”



You are a worm tongue, Koanic, who perverts the messages of the Bible for your own Satanic ends. Repent, sinner, repent.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 11, 2018 9:49 AM  

Someone who marries does not live according to Colossians 3:2

With that attitude, someone who eats does not live according to Col 3:2.

Anonymous Tars Tarkas January 11, 2018 11:12 AM  

A lot of people think the existing social order is going to collapse at some undefined time in the not-too-distant future. They have been saying this for a very long time and they have been wrong thus far. Japan has held on what was a 'lost decade' for nearly 25 years now. Right wing Americans were announced the collapse of the dollar after Nixon took us off the (modified) gold standard.

The current system is supported by almost all of the governments in the world, certainly in the West. It is supported by the most technological societies and the strongest economies in the world. I think they have a lot more staying power than people think.
In the long run they are probably right, but the long run is most likely a lot longer than people think. It is likely to be measured in decades or centuries from now.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 11, 2018 12:08 PM  

"An alleged prohibition that was constructed by Jews, not Christians."

1) That was a divine command given by God.
2) All commands given by God have a secular reason in addition to the religious, and are not just arbitrary. Take Deut 23:12-14, as an example. There is a religious reason for not taking a crap in your camp, and the obvious health reason that you don't poop or pee in the same place you sleep.


"The admonishment by God of clearly indicates His support."

When God calls people out on their sin, He is very specific about what is wrong. And NOTHING in that passage concerns race, no matter how much you want it to be.


"Which, again, observably means little or nothing to non-Christians or atheists or citizens of a nation who embrace secularism."

Social pressure has nothing to do with religion, and has everything to do with the surrounding culture. See also 'slut shaming'.

"

For YOU, personally, these differences “added up”. But Jesus and His apostles taught that we must respect and show compassion for all people of God's creation without regard to human constructs like race and nationality."

God created both the nations and the various races, son. They are not human constructs.

But thank you for outing yourself as a Babelist.


2) So the Central Europeans were wrong for opposing the Ottoman invasion of their countries?


"You are a worm tongue, Koanic, who perverts the messages of the Bible for your own Satanic ends. Repent, sinner, repent."

Take a look in the mirror, kid.

Blogger SirHamster January 11, 2018 3:09 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Are you saying that God's angry with them, so everything they were fussing about was unacceptable to God? If so, it seems a weak argument. I think God made it pretty clear what He was correcting, and it wasn't their opinion of Moses' wife.

I really don't see any evidence in Numbers 12 that God cares about inter-racial marriage, one way or another.


God's anger with them reflects the wrongness of their entire position, and was not phrased as a specific refutation of a narrow point. That God doesn't even bring up the inter-racial aspect but focuses on his selection of Moses is making a point.

If the interracial part was irrelevant to God's response, it doesn't even need to be in the text. "Aaron and Miriam thought they deserved more status and spoke against Moses"; but they thought they deserved more status because out-marriage is judged poorly. (In Genesis, time and effort is spent finding wives of the right lineage for Isaac and Jacob)

They had a point, or seemed to have one - but God response is that His choice overrules such things.

God doesn't make any judgement against inter-racial marriage here in Numbers 12. However, Deuteronomy 7 forbids intermarriage with various Canaanite groups. Deuteronomy 23 provides instructions for out-grouping descendants of forbidden marriages and peoples from being a part of the nation and community.

Blogger SirHamster January 11, 2018 4:00 PM  

Svensons wrote:And Christ himself teaches it is better never to have been than to be cast in to the lake of fire.

Jesus specifically says that it is better for the man who betrays him to have never been born. Not everyone who goes to Hell has betrayed Jesus, though all will who have rejected him.

What you say here is not what Jesus said. Speak truth, not lies.

If it is best for man to not be born, God would have destroyed the earth after Jesus came and that generation sorted out who believed and disbelieved him. God does what is Good.

All this time you spend telling people not to be born is time not spent telling people the Good News that Jesus ("God Saves") saves. You are preaching the wrong message.

The Apostles did not forbid marriage and reproduction. It is wrong for you to make the ideal of sacrificing all (including familial happiness) for the Kingdom of God, into a mandatory burden.

The Christian is not defined by restrictions, but the God given freedom to do good as He does. God gives life. Life is good because God makes it so.

Blogger michimartini January 11, 2018 5:53 PM  

@Robert Browning The destruction of Christianity is a Jewish goal. It is the only way for the Jew messiah to enter the world.

A Jewish Goal? I am getting very tired of hearing about "The Jews". You make it sound like Jesus was a Catholic (and many Jews actually believe this) and as if "The Jews" were all one monolithic block. Those Jews who wish to destroy Christianity are strict followers of the Talmudic Rabbis, of the Pharisees, nowadays called Orthodox Rabbis. Because after 70 AD it became clear that Yeshua actually _was_ the Messiah so they had to twist their interpretation of the tanakh and history to make it fit their agenda. Thus was created the Talmud, especially its darker elements. But the true Jews are the messianic ones, like Dr. Michael Brown or Arnold Fruchtenbaum. And it is thanks to them that we can understand many parts of the Bible that would otherwise be mysterious to us Gentiles.
That being said - i consider it unwise to bet against the SDL, und it might still be better if they all made Aliyah.
Also: check out www.imetmessiah.com
The Jews are having their "come to Jesus" moment now, it seems.

Blogger LP9 January 11, 2018 7:13 PM  

127 I refer everyone back to Stefan and Vox discussing the alt right at length, it was 2016 or 2017?

Spencer needs to run a few more think tanks and go live life minus a presence online.

Blogger Koanic January 11, 2018 7:37 PM  

> JC , if my reading of the 4 gospels is correct, used the phrase "my Father in Heaven" as the name of G-D was not used in vain, it was used in very specific circumstances only, the rest of the time being referred to by a euphemism.

You have it backwards. Jesus referred to Jehovah as "my Father" in the familiar to offend the Jews' who approached Jehovah with distant formality, and to emphasize that they were the children of Satan, not of Abraham. "“And in that day, declares the LORD, you will call me 'My Husband,' and no longer will you call me 'My Baal.'"

You false Jews have perverted the teachings of the prophets, who demanded over and over that the Jews cease to speak the name of Baal (which is "Lord", or the ancient equivalent of "God") and to instead use Jehovah's true and holy Name. The commandment not to profane Jehovah's holy Name had to do with swearing false oaths upon it, and has absolutely nothing to do with avoiding to speak it. It is written: "In those days men began to call upon the name of Jehovah."

You are Satan's children, and the Name burns you, as Elbereth does Ungoliant's spawn.

> it is a stretch to call it a grave sin since modern populations are derived from it.

All modern populations are derived from Adam's fall. Your logic is faulty.

> The admonishment by God of clearly indicates His support.

No it doesn't, liar. Jehovah obviously did not endorse all of Moses' personal decisions, in fact He tried to kill him on one occasion for stepping too far out of line in his expat lifestyle.

> But Jesus and His apostles taught that we must respect and show compassion for all people of God's creation without regard to human constructs like race and nationality.

Liar. You fabricate pronouncements unspoken by Jesus.

> What you say here is not what Jesus said. Speak truth, not lies.

Bravo, Sir Hamster.

Anonymous Durandel January 11, 2018 9:13 PM  

To the Christians claiming there is no scriptural precedent to separate from foreigners, you need to brush up on your Nehemiah:

Neh 13:
On that day they read from the book of Moses in the hearing of the people; and in it was found written that no Ammonite or Moabite should ever enter the assembly of God, 2 because they did not meet the Israelites with bread and water, but hired Balaam against them to curse them—yet our God turned the curse into a blessing. 3 When the people heard the law, they separated from Israel all those of foreign descent...

23 In those days also I saw Jews who had married women of Ashdod, Ammon, and Moab; 24 and half of their children spoke the language of Ashdod, and they could not speak the language of Judah, but spoke the language of various peoples. 25 And I contended with them and cursed them and beat some of them and pulled out their hair; and I made them take an oath in the name of God, saying, “You shall not give your daughters to their sons, or take their daughters for your sons or for yourselves. 26 Did not King Solomon of Israel sin on account of such women? Among the many nations there was no king like him, and he was beloved by his God, and God made him king over all Israel; nevertheless, foreign women made even him to sin. 27 Shall we then listen to you and do all this great evil and act treacherously against our God by marrying foreign women?”

28 And one of the sons of Jehoiada, son of the high priest Eliashib, was the son-in-law of Sanballat the Horonite; I chased him away from me. 29 Remember them, O my God, because they have defiled the priesthood, the covenant of the priests and the Levites.

30 Thus I cleansed them from everything foreign, and I established the duties of the priests and Levites, each in his work; 31 and I provided for the wood offering, at appointed times, and for the first fruits. Remember me, O my God, for good.

Vox is right that once married, they are stuck with one another (let man not separate what God has joined) but many are wrong to think God thinks miscegenation is a-okay in every and all circumstances.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God January 11, 2018 10:42 PM  

"To the Christians claiming there is no scriptural precedent to separate from foreigners, you need to brush up on your Nehemiah..."

Durandel, the purpose here was God commanding that His people purify themselves and to stand as gatekeepers spiritually. In other words, marrying an unbeliever, NOT an outsider, would have a detrimental impact on their religious society.

Sir Hamster, Deuteronomy 7 discusses the forbidding of intermarriages with unbelievers, generally speaking the people of the other tribes as being heathens. The Israelites were not forbidden from intermarrying with other nations, on certain conditions (Deuteronomy 21:10-14).

And, vfmshadow0342, refer to Exodus…“take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the people of the land where you go (the Promised Land the Israelites were to inherit), lest it be for a snare. For you shall worship no other god. Lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go whoring after their gods. And lest you take from their daughters for your sons (marriages), and their daughters go whoring after THEIR gods and make your sons go whoring after THEIR gods (Exodus 34:12, 14-16)

To whom is God giving the above warning? To all those who he led out of Egypt, a great mass descended not only from Jacob (Israel) but also from other peoples and nations (Exodus 12:37). What does the warning concern? It concerns marriages between those who will enter the Promised Land with those already living in the area. Why is the warning given? Notice that "interracial" relationships for their own sake are the focus of the passage. The warning is given to keep those who worship the true God from being led astray to worship FALSE deities by their pagan mates. God is not forbidding interRACIAL dating and marriage in the effort keep people racially pure, He warned against interRELIGIOUS matrimony, meaning marriages between those who follow Him with those who do not follow Him.

Blogger Koanic January 11, 2018 10:50 PM  

Hell has open borders, Cheech. You'll fit right in. Lotsa spicy cuisine, if you like ash and worm souffle.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 12, 2018 12:37 AM  



"What does the warning concern? It concerns marriages between those who will enter the Promised Land with those already living in the area."

Deuteronomy 23:2-8 says otherwise.

"God is not forbidding interRACIAL dating and marriage in the effort keep people racially pure, He warned against interRELIGIOUS matrimony, meaning marriages between those who follow Him with those who do not follow Him."

1) Race, culture, and religion often swim in the same pod; Ruth, Rahab, and the Gibeonites were the exception, not the rule.

2)
I have dated across race.
I have dated across language.
I have dated across culture.
I have dated across Christian sect.
I have been the only white face (and literally head and shoulders above) aa city full of a few million Asians.
I have attended a black Christian church.
I have traveled to 1/3 of the former FSU and a few of the 3rd-World crapholes.

I have a greater understanding and appreciation of the differences between races, cultures, and even Christian sects (Protestants v. Orthodox, white Christians v. black Christians) than quite a few people, and I definitely have more understanding than a imbecile and Babelist like you will ever know.

Get thee behind me, Satan.

Blogger Koanic January 12, 2018 5:08 AM  

There's a fine line between Babelist and babbler, and Cheech snorts it.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God January 13, 2018 9:29 AM  

vfmshadow0342, talk about arrogance "I have a greater understanding and appreciation of the differences between races, cultures, and even Christian sects (Protestants v. Orthodox, white Christians v. black Christians) than quite a few people."

It's not about you. Of the seven things the Bible tells us that God hates, “haughty eyes” is the first one listed (Proverbs 6:16-19).

Christ commands Christians to worship God in spirit and in truth (John 4:23-24). Thus, a person’s physical ancestry will other than prevent them from being called into God’s Family. All nationalities and cultural backgrounds may enter His Realm, upon repentance and baptism. Please read Acts 17:30 and Galatians 3:28-29.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 14, 2018 1:58 AM  

"vfmshadow0342, talk about arrogance "I have a greater understanding and appreciation of the differences between races, cultures, and even Christian sects (Protestants v. Orthodox, white Christians v. black Christians) than quite a few people."

It has been my observation that the most of the ones who call loudest for 'diversity' have spent their lives among people who either look like them or believe the same thing.

You comment like someone who has head knowledge of Scripture, but have no context in reality.

"All nationalities and cultural backgrounds may enter His Realm"

Neither America nor this world is the Kingdom of God.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God January 14, 2018 10:00 AM  

"It has been my observation..."

Still not about you.

"Neither America nor this world is the Kingdom of God."

Never made that claim. Regardless, His followers reside here, and they serve Him. White, black, Hispanic, Asian...or mixed, with His blessing.

"You comment like someone who has head knowledge of Scripture, but have no context in reality."

Fits you to a T, does Romans 16:17-18--I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 14, 2018 12:47 PM  

STFU, Satan.

May God judge you for your slander.

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God January 16, 2018 10:03 AM  

"STFU, Satan."

Congratulations on debasing yourself to your Christian brethren.

Still not about you.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 January 16, 2018 9:56 PM  

@164:

Here's another coil of rope....

Anonymous Cheech And Chong Found God January 17, 2018 9:55 AM  

Now why would you hang yourself? God will forgive your transgressions here if you enable yourself to admit your wrongdoing.

John 1:10-11 --> If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

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