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Friday, January 12, 2018

Mailvox: Israel or the West

Howard takes an inherently anti-Zionist position on Jewry:
The notion that Jews are not part of Western Civilization, particularly those Jews who's family's and history are linked to the West and the U.S by multiple generations, is without merit...and again, simple, ignorant anti-semitism.
No, the idea that Jews are part of Western civilization necessarily eliminates any legitimate territorial claim they might have to the land of Israel, which is not and has never been part of the West. Jews can claim Israel or they can claim to be of the West, but they cannot claim both. Furthermore, Christianity is an integral element of Western civilization and Jews are, again by definition, non-Christian. They are not part of Christendom, which you will note is a synonym for Western civilization.

Howard's historically ignorant posturing is reflective of the growing divide between Israeli and American Jewry. Many Israelis are already openly contemptuous of diaspora Jews who refuse to make aliyah and become citizens of the Jewish nation despite being able to do so, so it won't surprise me if Israeli Jews eventually decide that the diasporans are not Jews at all, especially in light of the fact that most of them are less than half genetically semitic already.

No nation can survive its people not sharing a language, a religion, genetics or geography for long.

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82 Comments:

Anonymous VFM #6306 January 12, 2018 1:53 PM  

The notion that Jamaicans are not part of bobsledding history, particularly those Jamaicans whose family members are forever linked to riding a bobsled in the Olympics once, is without merit...and again, simple, ignorant anti-Rastafarianism.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 12, 2018 2:00 PM  

The Israelis built a country, while the Diaspora gripe & moan. Since the 1967 war, they've also turned significantly against Israel's existence. It's part of what makes the Jews in the West so seemingly schizophrenic on a lot of topics, as they simply can't logically square their politics with reality and the instinctive pull of their own culture.

So many Jews really do need to help Make Israel Great Again, or they're going to find that the Israelis decide that they're demon-worshiping non-Jews. That'll be fun to watch play out.

Anonymous trev006 January 12, 2018 2:04 PM  

I don't make fun of Jamaican bobsledders, they don't make fun of my sub-par 100m sprint times.

As for certain terrible people who insist on claiming to be part of Western civilization while enthusiastically stabbing it in the back- and I'm not casting blame on their whole race- there are worse consequences than having oven memes tweeted at you.

Return to Castle Palestine.

The juxtaposition might actually explain why the new Wolfenstein was banned in Israel despite the obvious reasons it should sell. I actually used to wonder how certain groups could violently anger every side of a conflict when there was the possibility to have strong partnerships, if not friendships, with them. Not any more. Keep it up, friendos. It may be possible to be regarded as a traitor cuck on the right, a racist colonialist on the left, and not actually a Jew by your native people.

Blogger Desdichado January 12, 2018 2:06 PM  

So many Jews really do need to help Make Israel Great Again, or they're going to find that the Israelis decide that they're demon-worshiping non-Jews. That'll be fun to watch play out.

Which'll be pretty interesting, because the rest of the world is well on its way to deciding that they don't belong with them anymore either.

I guess that's what they mean when they say that the hand of every nation will be turned against them.

Anonymous Pitcrew January 12, 2018 2:08 PM  

At the rate non-jews are injecting their genetics into Jews, even the Jews might not have a nation in very long.

Anonymous Ryan ATL January 12, 2018 2:12 PM  

In regard to language, isn't it true that practically no one spoke Hebrew until the mid 20th century?

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 12, 2018 2:13 PM  

Anything less than being willing to sacrifice your life for Israel is anti-semitism.

Anonymous Aeoli Pera January 12, 2018 2:21 PM  

Many Israelis are already openly contemptuous of diaspora Jews who refuse to make aliyah and become citizens of the Jewish nation despite being able to do so, so it won't surprise me if Israeli Jews eventually decide that the diasporans are not Jews at all, especially in light of the fact that most of them are less than half genetically semitic already.

I suspect this genetic divide explains why European Jews feel more at home in Europe, and this is why they make excuses rather than making aliyah.

Blogger tz January 12, 2018 2:23 PM  

That it like saying the Muslims and the Huns are part of Western Civilization because if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have had the Crusades or Jefferson sending the Marines to Tripoli.

The Diaspora were always in their own ghettos and provided services like Usury that Christians thought sinful.

Blogger Phelps January 12, 2018 2:24 PM  

Israel was the great r/K sorter for jews. The K-leaning wolf jews went and did the hard work of taking and building Israel, and keeping it in the face of constant Muslim terrorism. The r-leaning rabbit jews stayed where they were, where life was easy, where they could hide from the conflict.

And there we are. The Israelis keep getting more K, the diaspora keeps getting more r.

Blogger APL January 12, 2018 2:25 PM  

Why is it that Messers Schumer, Feinstein, Franken, Wasserman Shultz et al, have worked so hard to ruin the US, yet the biggest supporter, both political and financial of Israel is the US.

Blogger Matamoros January 12, 2018 2:26 PM  

While a Catholic, I have found Brian Godawa's "End Times Bible Prophecy: It’s Not What They Told You" enlightening in all this.

He writes of how the Jews of the 1st Century resisted the Christian message of the Apostles and became fake Jews (Rev. 2:3)while the Christian Faith is the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy and are the true Jews, as it were, for accepting Christ's message with God's repudiation of the non-believing Jews evidenced by Titus' destruction of the Temple.

At the Council of Jamnia these unbelievers founded rabinnic judaism, which continues to this day in opposition to Christendom.

Interesting book. I highly recommend it.

Blogger Shamgar January 12, 2018 2:31 PM  

@6 Ryan ATL, Hebrew was a dead language (i.e. only used in their liturgy) by the time of Christ. It was restored in the late 1800s by the Zionists who started advocating a return to Israel.

Anonymous Anonymous January 12, 2018 2:33 PM  

OT: Another mysterious airport evacuation

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Newark-International-Airport-Fire-Manhole-468996213.html

Blogger Salt January 12, 2018 2:43 PM  

The only claim some Jews do have towards western civilization is the debt owed on the money supply.

Anonymous andon January 12, 2018 2:44 PM  

....and again, simple, ignorant anti-semitism.

everything is anti-semitism

the jew shall not be criticized by the likes of you

Anonymous BBGKB January 12, 2018 2:56 PM  

The Israelis built a country, while the Diaspora gripe & moan

Billions of $$ a year from the US taxpayer, if Israelis turn away US jews does that mean the billions will be given to US jews instead?

OT: Black Panther highest gross Marvel movie, just in time for shithole comments.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/black-panther-outsells-all-marvel-films-in-first-24-hours-of-ticket-presales-2018-01-10

Blogger JohnofAustria January 12, 2018 2:59 PM  

Israel depends on AIPAC to keep the US support flowing, without it they'd be in a world of hurt.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 12, 2018 3:01 PM  

andon wrote:the jew shall not be criticized by the likes of you

Oy, better criticized than sent to the ovens. The goy are catching wise! Flee, flee, flea!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 12, 2018 3:05 PM  

Good afternoon fellow White persons. How are y'all enjoying your manifold White Privileges today. I am enjoying mine quite well myself!

Blogger michimartini January 12, 2018 3:12 PM  

They are not part of Christendom, which you will note is a synonym for Western civilization.
On the other hand, for the first few years there were no christians, except for those few thousand Jews that accepted Jesus as their Messiah. Of course those who reject the Messiah are not part of Christendom, but the completed (messianic) Jews are. And they will make Israel great again.
Or do you use "Christendom" in a more political sense?

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 12, 2018 3:16 PM  

Serious question, the Magi weren't Jews and the worshipped Christ. So were they Christian?

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume January 12, 2018 3:24 PM  

@20

Since they were supposedly Persian (?), probably Zoroastrian. But I'm not sure.

Anonymous Roundtine January 12, 2018 3:42 PM  

if Israelis turn away US jews does that mean the billions will be given to US jews instead?

From where I sit the greatest threat to Israel today is loss of U.S. support (long term they need to become more independent), and left-wing American Jews are ensuring that happens by simultaneously antagonizing the mostly pro-Israel right/Christians and flooding the USA with anti-semitic voters. By 2028 or 2032 at the latest, the US president will be openly hostile to Israel if current trends persist. Even if the right wanted to help Israel, it will be out of power. Jewish Dems are very old. They're already being replaced by minority leaders who could care less about Israel.

Blogger Bucephalus January 12, 2018 3:49 PM  

Would someone be so kind as to pass the gefilte fish?

Blogger Lazarus January 12, 2018 3:50 PM  

An interview with HaRav Nachman Kahana (on April 30, 2017, but very relevant today)
I was coming out from my house in the Jewish quarter in the Old City and I saw a group of Americans, middle-aged people, and I usually go over and speak to them, which is a very pleasant thing to do. And this group, I asked them “where do you come from?”

They said, “we come from Texas.”

“Oh, we have something in common.”

“What is that?”

“We both have one star on our flag.”

They were very impressed that an Israeli knew that Texas is the Lone Star State.

Then one woman says to me, asks me, “are you Jewish?”

I said to her, “I'm not Jewish”. And they are very surprised, I'm not Jewish?

I said, “let me explain it to you. Let’s say you have something that’s the color red, but it’s not really red, but it tends to be red, what do we call it? Reddish. Yellow, not really yellow, but it tends to be yellow, you call it yellowish. I’m not Jewish, I'm a Jew. There's a difference. In Israel, you're a Jew - outside you’re Jewish. And that makes the whole difference.”


http://jewishleadership.blogspot.ca/2018/01/an-interview-with-harav-nachman-kahana.html

Blogger TSP's . January 12, 2018 3:52 PM  

It all depends on how you define the West. As a cultural phenomenon, Judaism is not Western.

"https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/the-myth-of-the-judeo-christian-tradition/"

Anonymous Damn Crackers January 12, 2018 3:54 PM  

Should we just start calling Diaspora Jews "dissident Italians"?

Anonymous Kyle January 12, 2018 4:04 PM  

True these Khazar/Italian mongrels stole their lands from the Palestinians. According to their weirdo racist cult they are “the chosen people” which nobody really believes. But they still need to be penned up somewhere. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good. Send them home.

Blogger Critical G January 12, 2018 4:05 PM  

Vox is absolutely right. It was a bitter red pill for me, a very fair skinned Ashkenazi with the race "WHITE/BLANKE" literally stamped on my birth certificate, to understand I am not part of Western Civilisation, but it's true.

It's a simple choice for me: live as a foreigner amongst whites (even though I pass) or live amongst my own kind in the Holy Land. There are no other options.

If there were a political party here in Australia that wanted to strip all non-whites of Australian citizenship, I would happily vote for them. Sadly, the Australian people as far as I can tell are cucked beyond help. There is growing awareness of the most obvious problems with blacks from Sudan, but even on the right here, civic nationalism is effectively the national religion.

Blogger Critical G January 12, 2018 4:07 PM  

That's great! It gave me a real lightbulb moment.

Blogger cavalier973 January 12, 2018 4:09 PM  

I heard somewhere recently that many that we think of as Jews (the Rothchilds, for example) are actually Edomites who were forced to convert to Judaism.

Anyone else know anything about that?

Anonymous Nick January 12, 2018 4:14 PM  

Vox, I am continually impressed by your reasonable and dispassionate approach to this divisive subject. Honestly, I might have been triggered by your position five years ago, but now I just see it has the truth. Once the other side starts screeching about anti-Semitism it strengthens your case all the more. No ethnic group should get to play chameleon, shape-shifting to assume the identity that suits them at that moment. Here in Poland many people have the odd notion that anyone who identifies as such can be a Pole, not realizing that this frivolous belief is only possible because the country is 97% homogenous and the odd non-Pole who doesn't integrate to a high degree will stick out like a sore thumb.

Anonymous Kyle January 12, 2018 4:17 PM  

Edomites, Khazars, Italians, Turks... they are total mutts. Their “racial purity” is just a weirdo belief of their Talmudic cult.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 12, 2018 4:18 PM  

200 years from now in the Chinese protectorate of America half witted mystery meats will proclaim their great grand mommas or something were Jewish princesses.

Anyway Yockey in his work "Imperium" labeled them "cultural distorters", yeah that fits. So they supplant Christianity with the gobbleygook of ists, isms and phobias, and pseudo Christians buy this crap, no wonder America is trending #shithole.

Anonymous Die Fledermaus January 12, 2018 4:24 PM  

Eventually? there are significant portions of the population who hold that position already. I do believe if you search back through the comments, you'll find me expressing it pretty much verbatim at one point or another...I believe the only thing that stops it from becoming an official state position (which is significant considering the law of return) is the money that still flows in here from U.S Jews. But that flow is dwindling as their national identity is weakening. They are walking the assimilation path fast.

Blogger Robert Pinkerton January 12, 2018 4:24 PM  

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Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 12, 2018 4:25 PM  

#32 Thanks dude that was a great observation, NOT. Thousands of years, many genetic bottlenecks and they still thrive as they wish to survive for the most part, if you don't admit that I want the oxygen you have used back in the atmosphere.

Ironically the worst bottleneck might possibly be "liberalism", see my post on Jewish Princesses, maybe not dream catchers but those little spinny things will be hot sellers.

Blogger SteelPalm January 12, 2018 4:32 PM  

It's a more complex question than Vox allows for.

I certainly don't find his perspective "anti-semitic" (nor do I use that word) and there is plenty of truth to it, but consider that

1. A good deal of what we consider part of Western civilization, the philosophy, science, literature, architecture, painting, music, etc. was the work of diaspora Jews. Not all, not even the majority, but a decent portion.

2. For better or for worse, a lot of Jews integrate deeply, and have a deep love for their diaspora country. For instance, I have significantly more in common with the typical Slavic Russian than I do the average American Jew, despite immigrating here relatively young. The difference between Slavic Russians and Russian Jews is much, much smaller than either group to white Americans.

And, despite all the hardships of the Soviet Union, my parents never could have imagined leaving until the collapse in 1992, when droves of Slavic and Jewish Russians alike immigrated.

(Interesting side-note: A lot of Slavic Russian and Ukrainians immigrated to Israel during this time despite not being Jewish, as it was and is VERY EASY to forge passports there stating otherwise)

I don't foresee the break Vox does, for a multitude of reasons, but I also think there will be increasing alienation between diaspora and Israeli Jews.

At the same time, the problem is sorting itself out, as record numbers of Jews continue to make aliyah, as living conditions generally improve. This, despite the best efforts of the EU, UN, and other globalist organizations to foment internal revolution in Israel.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd January 12, 2018 4:35 PM  

Aren't the real Jews black Americans?
Sorry for the lame joke, but I find that idea totally hilarious.

https://youtu.be/hBlbLgl5WDs


Jews in America and Israel should do everything they can to halt nonwhite immigration into the US.
Thinking that blacks, Latinos, and Muslims are their natural allies is absurd. Also, who will they run to this time?

Anonymous Looking Glass January 12, 2018 4:40 PM  

@37 SteelPalm

The Six Days War really changed the Western perspective on Israel. Rather than being a Socialist Experiment, the Israelis suddenly decided to not be slaughtered at the whims of others. That really, really pissed off the Diaspora that married into the prominent European families.

As for their effect on Western Civilization, that's probably not a path we want to go down. Mostly because it was whatever small positives, the words "Central Banking" and "Wars" are going to trump everything they may have added.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 12, 2018 4:40 PM  

Palm, back in the day Jews were another European ethnic group to us, say the 70s, but along comes the suckups to Israel times the Holocaust industry and voila the phony ubermensch beacons of lights nonsense appears. (at least Falwell got a Lear jet and Lindsey Graham got sodomized by a hunky IDF officer from the deal)

Anonymous Looking Glass January 12, 2018 4:41 PM  

@38 Wynn Lloyd

They, honestly, think China. The Han turned corruption into an art form before the 2nd Temple was destroyed. The normal games don't work on them.

Blogger Lovekraft January 12, 2018 4:48 PM  

This ties into yesterday's Twitter expose showing Hindu-American's belittling, censoring and blacklisting white Christian conservatives on its platform, based on either outright bias and racism, or some vague 'Russian bot' excuse.

So will this and other similar groups jump on the anti-Hindu defence? And if they don't and accept the deserved punishment, this will affect the other ... group.

Anonymous Fiddler on the Goof January 12, 2018 4:50 PM  

>>Mostly because it was whatever small positives, the words "Central Banking" and "Wars" are going to trump everything they may have added.

Plus communism.

Blogger Robert January 12, 2018 4:54 PM  

Personally, I feel the most reasonable perspective on the "Jewish question" is that articulated by Winston Churchill in his article "Zionism versus Bolshevism."

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Zionism_versus_Bolshevism

In that article, Churchill distinguished between "national Jews," like Benjamin Disraeli who were grateful for and committed to their nation, and the destructive "international Jews," who were loyal to no nation and collectively worked to further Communism around the world.

Put another way plenty of ethnic Jews have contributed to the West, from Benjamin Disraeli to Mendelssohn to Richard Rodgers. Today Stephen Miller is one of the great defenders of the American nation in the Trump administration.

The problem isn't with all Jews but only those certain Jews who separate themselves from historic Western Civilization and subtly try to subvert it, reserving their ultimate loyalties for their own tribe.

Anonymous Kyle January 12, 2018 4:59 PM  

>>The problem isn't with all Jews but only those certain Jews who separate themselves from historic Western Civilization

80-20 effect here... with 80% of Jews disloyal and subversive

Blogger Wynn Lloyd January 12, 2018 5:01 PM  

They really think the Chinese will bring them in? That's just delusional. Then again, it's no more delusional than the idea of third world immigrants and blacks finding solidarity with them in America.
They will more than meet their match with the Han, like you've said.
I wonder how it is for Jews in Vancouver, British Columbia, where Chinese control a big piece of the economy. It is worth examining.

Blogger SteelPalm January 12, 2018 5:01 PM  

@44 Robert

If you liked that Churchill article, check this out, noting how the separation between international Jews and nationalist Jews has been going on for thousands of years;

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-endless-ages-of-purim.html

Blogger Wynn Lloyd January 12, 2018 5:02 PM  

Interesting. Thank you.

Blogger SteelPalm January 12, 2018 5:12 PM  

@46 Wynn Lloyd

Then again, it's no more delusional than the idea of third world immigrants and blacks finding solidarity with them in America.

No kidding. I am utterly aghast at the shocking stupidity of the 60's do-gooder, bleeding heart, leftist Jews who genuinely believed this.

To a lesser extent this annoying idiocy persists in the modern day with Israel, too, as the government will give aid and relief to any number of African shitholes that suffer a disaster.

Anonymous andon January 12, 2018 5:15 PM  

Personally, I feel the most reasonable perspective on the "Jewish question" is that articulated by Winston Churchill in his article "Zionism versus Bolshevism."

i thought churchill was part jewish and also he was on the hook to jewish bankers.

of course he got plenty of great (((press)))

Blogger The Observer January 12, 2018 5:17 PM  

They really think the Chinese will bring them in? That's just delusional.

The ancestors of what today are the Kaifeng Jews thought much the same.

They were eaten up and spat out.

Blogger dienw January 12, 2018 5:36 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:Serious question, the Magi weren't Jews and the worshipped Christ. So were they Christian?

The Magi were Parthians who were comprised of the Northern Tribes who did not migrate through the Caucaus mountains. BTW the route the migrating Israelites took is called the Pass Of the Israelites.

Blogger dienw January 12, 2018 5:41 PM  

@ Critcal G
"It was a bitter red pill for me, a very fair skinned Ashkenazi with the race "WHITE/BLANKE" literally stamped on my birth certificate, to understand I am not part of Western Civilisation, but it's true."

The Ashkenazim are Japhethites not Semites. In the division of the World between Noah's sons, Japheth was given Europe.

Blogger dienw January 12, 2018 5:46 PM  

cavalier973 wrote:I heard somewhere recently that many that we think of as Jews (the Rothchilds, for example) are actually Edomites who were forced to convert to Judaism.

Anyone else know anything about that?


The Edomites were conquered by one of the Maccabee kings and given a choice convert or die; they converted. The high priests and the Pharisees were Edomites (they became the Sephardic Jews). The Herodians were Edomites.

Anonymous Mycroft Jones January 12, 2018 5:59 PM  

@46 Jews in Vancouver are doing just fine. The Indians (dot not feather) are keeping the Chinese too occupied to do anything about the Jews. On a level playing field, Jews can handle themselves against Chinese. The Indians however, are rolling into areas formerly dominated by Jews and taking over everywhere.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 12, 2018 6:00 PM  

@49 SteelPalm

Hatred of Boomer Stupidity is the thread that binds the world.

Israel was founded as a leftist/socialist enclave, but surviving in that part of the world requires non-stupid thinking. Israel actually looks really nuts from the outside if you don't get the first part. But it's also the reason the PM ends up being a very hard man, right after the soft ones take over for a bit and screw everything up.

Which is to say that Israel is reliably far to the Left, until the exact moment where they become the hardest Right-wing place on the planet. Having to defend yourself does wonders to clarify reality, at least for a few days.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 12, 2018 8:11 PM  

"...it won't surprise me if Israeli Jews eventually decide that the diasporans are not Jews at all"

Vox, that's an interesting thought, and you may well be correct. Which will have some very interesting implications down the road. It gets much harder to throw the "anti-semite" slur at people who can claim to be sympathetic to Israeli security needs.

Blogger Lazarus January 12, 2018 8:52 PM  

it won't surprise me if Israeli Jews eventually decide that the diasporans are not Jews at all

Already happening:


When it comes the Jewish people, there are three ways that God is able to distinguish between the the authentic Jew and between those who are just hanging on:
One is fly the wind, the wind is assimilation - go out.
The other way is unfortunately fire, which you know what that means
The other is the magnet, the magnet is that you feel an attraction to the Holy Land when you are an authentic Jew. And this is the test that we have in every generation, not just this generation.

In the United States according to what I understand, which I read, any number of Jews that you say that there are 5 million, 6 million, half of them are non-halachic Jews. Either they became Jews through reform conversion, or the reform and conservative recognize the patriarchal lineage – “if your father is Jewish then you're Jewish” - but that's not halachic Jew. So, any number you say in America, half of them are not Jewish. After that 70% of intermarriage of those who are Jewish, what are they left with in America? The Jewish people are going down, going down, there's no question now the future of Judaism, of historical and religious Judaism, is in the original land of Israel.

Blogger Lazarus January 12, 2018 9:30 PM  

Ergo, People criticizing Fake Jews are not anti-semites.

Anonymous Avalanche January 12, 2018 10:06 PM  

@34 "They are walking the assimilation path fast."

Yes, but WE DON'T WANT THEM! They must go back. They're yours, NOT ours, and you must take them -- or do something with them! Not us, not ours! They must go!

Anonymous Avalanche January 12, 2018 10:15 PM  

@38 "For better or for worse, a lot of Jews integrate deeply, and have a deep love for their diaspora country."

Perhaps where you are. Here in America - they have NOT assimilated worth a damn!! THEY are driving the destruction of this country! "No cowboys with cows" -- so yes, granted, the blind high-trust Whites are letting themselves be herded! Believing when the jew says 'hail fellow White' and backing down and making obeisance when the jew screams anti-semitism (or "bring more black and moslem animals; they'll fit in fine!")

Assimilated? When they spin and control academia, politics, medicine, media, and so on - to their benefit and ONLY their benefit? To the benefit of your Promised Land -- while Americans pour millions of dollars A DAY into a country we do NOT benefit from at all; and in fact suffer terrorism and war and the deaths of our young people for purposes NOT AT ALL Our own?!

No, assimilation is 100% not the plan nor desire of the diasporas jews! They are sucking their host (America and the American people) dry, while they look to where they can jump next!

No us, not us -- they MUST go back!

(If you EVER want to check if a jew is assimilated, merely ask: "should America drop ALL financial and military support to israel?" The INSTANT response will make it clear!)

Anonymous Avalanche January 12, 2018 10:22 PM  

#"No cowboys withOUT cows"

Anonymous Howard January 12, 2018 10:24 PM  

"No, the idea that Jews are part of Western civilization necessarily eliminates any legitimate territorial claim they might have to the land of Israel, which is not and has never been part of the West. Jews can claim Israel or they can claim to be of the West, but they cannot claim both."

If Western Civilization can be transplanted to America, it can certainly be transplanted to the Middle East. And it has been.

Furthermore, Jews have been a part of the West for centuries, contributing to its structure and foundations.

Furthermore, Judaism is part of the amalgamation of Western culture and thought. Not the predominant feature, but certainly a part.

Furthermore, Jews have contributed mightily to the success of the United States by integrating into the culture and making themselves a part of the American culture as thoroughly as the Fins, Germans, Italians and Russians.

Finally, to suggest that the Jews, as a people, somehow have it out for America requires we dismiss the truth entirely and choose to scapegoat.

Jews have been here, they are here, they will stay here. You can leave if you don't like it.

Anonymous (((Howard))) January 12, 2018 10:47 PM  

Jews have been here, they are here, they will stay here. You can leave if you don't like it, goyim. Cattle shouldn’t criticize the farmer.

Anonymous Die Fledermaus January 13, 2018 1:06 AM  

Avalanche wrote:@34 "They are walking the assimilation path fast."

Yes, but WE DON'T WANT THEM! They must go back. They're yours, NOT ours, and you must take them -- or do something with them! Not us, not ours! They must go!


Ow, how cute. Fear not, my boy. We will still take them if they come (most of them, anyway. Some will never be welcome - Ask Rabbi B about that) But we can't make them come. That's why while I have no problem with people holding your position, I do have one with those who with the same breath support the Arab imperialists in their various transmutations (the DBS is a recent one), whose principal endgame is always to make Israel disappear.

Anonymous Rabid Ratel January 13, 2018 1:29 AM  

Lazarus wrote:Ergo, People criticizing Fake Jews are not anti-semites.

If they are not fake, they must go back. If they are fake, they should shut up.

I'm stealing this one, Lazarus!

Anonymous Just another commenter January 13, 2018 1:42 AM  

A good law to be proposed: Nobody with duel citizenship can hold any position of significant trust, pay, or responsibility for any US federal, state, or municipal position, or in any major media position - editor, director, etc. Want to be a city dog-catcher in Podunk? Sure. Want to be a DA, Representative, police officer, government lawyer, senator, intelligence analyst, central banker, etc. No, a thousand times NO.

That might solve a lot of problems, especially if worded in such a way that Jews would have to repudiate their right to Israeli citizenship to qualify as not having duel citizenship.

Blogger The Foolproof January 13, 2018 2:26 AM  

“even on the right here, civic nationalism is effectively the national religion.”

It’s worse than that. The Liberal Party (the notional centre-right) has gone full GloboHomo, civic nationalism is the right fringe of politics, and ethno-nationalism has no possible expression.

Blogger SteelPalm January 13, 2018 2:29 AM  

@62 Avalanche

Perhaps where you are. Here in America - they have NOT assimilated worth a damn!!

Hysterical screeching and overuse of exclamation marks aside, I'm curious how a 62 year-old widow who lives in rural America is such an expert on Jews? Do you know any personally, or do you just blindly believe everything you read online?

The difference between the average American Jew and the average well-educated white in a leftist coastal city is small. Check out the people in James Damore's (who, ironically, probably is Jewish) lawsuits like our scared pal Colin McMillen or the professor arguing that SJW censorship is the way forward. They're white, not Jewish, and it's that behavior American Jews are assimilating. Yes, there is a chicken and egg argument here since many Jews immigrating in the early 20th century advocated communism, worker's rights, etc. although these movements existed before and independently of them.

However, younger American Jews are no more aware of this than the average well-educated white American in a leftist coastal city is.

Thus, those American Jews have merely assimilated with what they see as elite behavior from whites and Jews alike.

Now, you can argue that this is bad (which it is) or that this is not what a true American should advocate at all (also true), but it's an assimilation nonetheless. Just a different one than you would like.

The rest is hysterical ravings, but you unexpectedly hit upon something interesting;

(If you EVER want to check if a jew is assimilated, merely ask: "should America drop ALL financial and military support to israel?" The INSTANT response will make it clear!)

The ironic part of this is that a lot of American Jews would reply with a resounding "YES", only they wouldn't be what you consider "assimilated", but rather, they would be self-hating SJWs who support the Fakestinians and see Israel as an evil apartheid state.

You know, the very same traitor Jews who Israeli Jews have no use for, that Vox described above?

Sure, there would be a certain number of right-wing, nationalist Jews, like myself, also replying "yes", although I don't consider myself assimilated, either.

But the point is that your idiot "loyalty test" would be passed by a number of globalists working towards the destruction of the US and Israel alike.

I suspect that this might be part of why George Soros got as far as he did. Sure, he was a Hungarian Jew, but he was also a Nazi collaborator who hunted and killed hundreds of fellow Hungarian Jews during the war. (A "kapo Jew") And he has done everything in his power to destroy Israel.

Thus, people with your mindset reasoned he must be one of those "good" or "assimilated" Jews. Only, as it turns out, he had it in for a lot more than just Jews, just like Hitler did.

Blogger LP9 January 13, 2018 4:03 AM  

39 my little head hurt 2 minutes in.

"Jews can claim Israel or they can claim to be of the West, but they cannot claim both."

Corrective important point that needs re-emphasized and its NOT hateful or antisemitism its a legitimate valid observation from a super intel realist.

It reminds me of how, why equality, diversity/multiculti is farcical; those terms cannot rationally co-exist.

Yet its the upset sick left and some (((media figures))) forces themselves to do mental gymnastics to lie to themselves which is cancerous appeasement which is evidence of a sickness.

OT: WV is a white out, not a car on the road, high winds, wonderful cold, many inches of snow. I'm up all night to watch the snow and beautiful cold weather, snowed in never felt so refreshing.

Interesting information is spilling out about Sandy Hook, Project Vertias and the Las Vegas shooting not to mention Roger and Milo are suing Twitter into submission, mortification, endless paperwork, I hope they spend Twitter dry in endless court filings and stress. Turn the Heat Up!

Blogger Matthew January 13, 2018 8:47 AM  

cavalier973 wrote:I heard somewhere recently that many that we think of as Jews (the Rothchilds, for example) are actually Edomites who were forced to convert to Judaism.

Anyone else know anything about that?


Read Josephus.

Anonymous English Tom January 13, 2018 10:29 AM  

How in gods name does a huge number of Sudanese mud scum end up in Australia? Death to the traitors who imported these vermin.

Anonymous English Tom January 13, 2018 10:48 AM  

The Jew will not live en masse amongst the Han. I believe they will colonise Tasmania and use it as their base in Asia. Jews like to live amongst white people for camouflage (whilst they then busily go about destroying the host country). They are infected with a deep sickness.

Anonymous English Tom January 13, 2018 11:01 AM  

I thought Pauline Hanson was making inroads in Australia and moving things further to the right?

Blogger The Foolproof January 13, 2018 10:13 PM  

Hanson has repositioned herself as a civic nationalist - anti-Islam specifically, but pro-diversity broadly.

The same party whose leader warned about being “swamped by Asians” (which, unlike in Britain, does mean Chinese) in ‘90s now runs ethnically Chinese candidates for Parliament.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 13, 2018 11:40 PM  

SteelPalm wrote:Thus, those American Jews have merely assimilated with what they see as elite behavior from whites and Jews alike.

Now, you can argue that this is bad (which it is) or that this is not what a true American should advocate at all (also true), but it's an assimilation nonetheless. Just a different one than you would like.


Do they identify as Jewish? Then they don't identify as American, and they haven't assimlated. Jews are OK, Americans are too, but you can't be fish and fowl.

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 1:50 AM  

@29 well, our left is basically an anti-Anglo Irish tribal movement.
It only recently abandoned this for anti-white.

Blogger wreckage January 14, 2018 2:02 AM  

@76 given the electoral boundaries and the ethnic make-up of the coastal cities, we're already done as far as a unified nationality nation goes. I'm not sure there's a choice but to align with groups that aren't openly and violently anti-civilization.

Blogger Unknown January 14, 2018 4:11 PM  

The question is where did the Jewish people come from, the west or the east? Is Comyns Beaumont correct to say that the Hebrews lived in the Hebrides during the last age when the climate in Scotland was Mediteranean as was hinted at in the movie Wonder Woman? If so they are part of the West the same way that the Sea People's from North West Europe and who brought iron weapons, are part of the Middle East, North African, and Mesopotamian civilizations which were destroyed. Arguably they were destroyed by the same forces which confront us today.

Blogger SteelPalm January 14, 2018 7:50 PM  

@77 Ominous Cowherd Do they identify as Jewish? Then they don't identify as American, and they haven't assimlated. Jews are OK, Americans are too, but you can't be fish and fowl.

Good question; are Italian-Americans who identify as "Italian" assimilated? Strictly speaking, and by Vox's standards, certainly not, but those are roughly the same, shallow levels of connection to the original culture we're talking about. Most Italian-Americans can't speak Italian and would disgust a native Italian in the same way most Jewish Americans can't speak Hebrew and would disgust a native Israeli.

Moreover, Jews in America have a very high intermarriage rate, with 47% marrying non-Jews from 1996-2001 (likely higher today), and that's counting the Orthodox. That's not the behavior of a fiercely un-assimilated peoples. (By contrast, those figures are 29% and 27% for Asians and Hispanics, respectively)

Ignoring the ideological slant, this site has some good stats;

https://interfaithfamily.com/news_and_opinion/synagogues_and_the_jewish_community/jewish_intermarriage_statistics/

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