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Saturday, January 13, 2018

Mailvox: the more things change

Actually, some things never change. A reader shares an apt quote from Livy.
Ancus...raised fresh troops and marched to the Latin town of Politorium, which he took by assault.  The inhabitants he transferred bodily to Rome; former kings had increased the size of Rome by the absorption of conquered peoples; so the policy was not without precedent. The Palatine hill was where the Romans first settled; on one side of it were the Capitol and Citadel, subsequently occupied by the Sabines; and on the other lay the Caelian hill, occupied by the Albans; the Aventine was assigned to the new comers, and they were joined soon after  by others from the captured towns of Tellenae and Ficana....

One result of these enormous additions to the population was an increase in certain criminal activities, the dividing line between right and wrong becoming somewhat blurred.
- Livy, Ab Urbe Condita 1.33
Keep in mind this was more akin to the American importation of the Irish, which had similar consequences.

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Anonymous BTC January 13, 2018 1:21 PM  

The history of Rome serves as a schoolmaster. Immigration, wall building, race mixing, the rise of degeneracy, and more are present in its history and we would be wise to take heed.

Blogger Ceerilan January 13, 2018 1:48 PM  

The parallels are indeed striking. I wonder how we could measure Irish criminality now without relying on biased social scientists.

Anonymous Reenay January 13, 2018 1:54 PM  

@1 We would be wise indeed, but for those who deliberately ignore these lessons of history because it's not even their own nation they're running. Just like how if you ruled an African nation, you wouldn't care about importing the Sudanese, the Somali, or the people of Chad into the nation you ruled, because:
1. They're black and you're not.
2. In fact, you only see them as black. You wouldn't even begin to understand the differences among the nationalities.
3. They're not your people, but they provide you with bodies in your military. The more you win, the more you can zerg-rush your enemies with expendable foreign soldiers and win more.
4. You can manipulate their economies to benefit you and those you look on with favor, such as your own ethnic cohort.

Why would you give a damn if that nation eventually collapsed after your life has ended? Well, aside from having to face God in judgement over that. But suppose you didn't believe in such a thing? Why would you care?

That's why they ALL have to go back.

Anonymous Reenay January 13, 2018 1:56 PM  

@1 We would be wise indeed, but for those who deliberately ignore these lessons of history because it's not even their own nation they're running. Just like how if you ruled an African nation, you wouldn't care about importing the Sudanese, the Somali, or the people of Chad into the nation you ruled, because:
1. They're black and you're not.
2. In fact, you only see them as black. You wouldn't even begin to understand the differences among the nationalities.
3. They're not your people, but they provide you with bodies in your military. The more you win, the more you can zerg-rush your enemies with expendable foreign soldiers and win more.
4. You can manipulate their economies to benefit you and those you look on with favor, such as your own ethnic cohort.

Why would you give a damn if that nation eventually collapsed after your life has ended? Well, aside from having to face God in judgement over that. But suppose you didn't believe in such a thing? Why would you care?

That's why they ALL have to go back.

Blogger Nate73 January 13, 2018 2:26 PM  

Maybe they should have just looted the conquered people and then gone back home.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel January 13, 2018 2:49 PM  

I'm Irish. We are not white. We are the pink race. We will prevail. *raises fist.

Blogger tublecane January 13, 2018 2:50 PM  

It is my understanding, moreover, that the Aventine would've been public land at that time. The settlers wouldn't be allowed property rights until centuries later. Therefore, you have conquered, unhappy, residents from an alien city on someone else's land, probably doing grunt work or on the teat. No big surprise they'd turn criminal.

That hill wasn't part of sacred Rome--the boundaries of which weren't moved until the time of Sulla--of course, but also wasn't part of the city-proper. At least not until walls were expanded after the Gauls sacked Rome in 390 B.C. So Aventinians were outsiders of a sort. Our neo-Americans intermingle with us, however much informal segregation there is (and however much they stick out like sore thumbs). There was also a formal aristocracy back when, which we've turned into a secret one, based on...something.

Bear in mind also that the people settled by Ancus were Latins, and Rome was a Latin state. Could they have been as alien to Romans as Somalis are to Englishmen?

Unlike the foreigners we bring in, who conquer us, Ancus brought in conquered people. Which may have made a difference. Of course, every time the Romans conquered new people, which was often, they kept adding them onto the Aventine, which was like a staging area. Was there enough time for each group to be Ronanized? Or did they merely foreignize Rome?

In popular imagination, the Aventine is still associated with plebs, and the burden or menace to public order they represented. See for instance the HBO series Rome, which depicts the area governed by organized crime.

Blogger OGRE January 13, 2018 2:57 PM  

What we have now is more comparable to allowing the Thervings to settle in Thrace. Even the reasoning is the same--labor at low cost. This raises the question of When will we have our Adrianople?

Blogger tublecane January 13, 2018 3:11 PM  

@8-The Decline and Fall of the U.S. empire won't be marked by a stunning loss in battle. Future historians will more likely say we were undone by victory.

We never retreated back to looking after ourselves after WWII, which is when we became one of the permanent hubs of the NWO. Which is a sure way to destroy a nation.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 13, 2018 3:35 PM  

Wasn't it Quantum Mortis that pointed out that the elites tend to expand the franchise as necessary with those who support them.

Blogger Red Bane January 13, 2018 3:41 PM  

Of course, the largest tide of Irish migrants was precipitated by mass genocide by the British back in the Irish homeland. There are consequences to evil. The angelic Anglos have brought so much misery to their own people as well as others throughout the world. One of my favorite accounts of the inherent cannibalistic nature of the Anglo is William Cobbet's, The History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland. Cobbet, himself a protestant, made no bones about the fact that that particular religious movement was born of tyranny, lies and plunder that first negatively affected native Britons and then spread like cancer across the globe afterward. Anglos, historically, have been their own worst enemy.

Blogger tublecane January 13, 2018 4:05 PM  

@10-Not all elites. That's the difference between populares (who would) and optimates (who wouldn't) in the late Roman republic. (I don't know how far back the terms go.)

In modern democracies (or "democracies") like ours, the main path to power is through popular support. Pretty much all elites are leftist (or to the left of me, anyway) and intent on expanding the franchise. Among them, the relative optimate/populare divide can be delineated by who's more on the side of the former majority population. Not that any of them are deliberately on their side anymore, but they might be effectively so.

Most of our elite are as uou describe. Used to be you could call them traitors to their class, like Franklin Roosevelt. But I don't think that applies anymore, even if their class would be ruined if they got their way.

Their aren't many members of the Old Aristocracy or the old New Money (if you'll forgive the formulation) left. Our elite's ranks are constantly filled by talented or just lucky denizens of lower classes, who are happy for their position and therefore obsequious and ever-mindful of the danger of downward mobility. Perhaps one reason for their endless virtue-signalling.

They don't rise to the level of class-traitors.

Blogger tuberman January 13, 2018 4:07 PM  

The Romans during this time were only slightly effected by this conquest, then introducing new people to Rome, as they were plebs, and not among the first families. The critical part was that only the first families had assess to Roman Law at this time which was Oral and not written. Written law was what eventually gave the various plebs more power.

The whole story is in the book, "Ancient Law," by Sir Henry Maine. These days Law is hidden from the public, semi-magic words with different meanings then standard usage, performed by lawyers as sort of a ritual, and, in recent times, much of law has been silently changed to be anti-population.

Anonymous b3k January 13, 2018 4:14 PM  

Listening to the History of Rome podcast did more than anything else to turn me away from open borders libertarianism. Germans had been slowly integrated into the the population of the Empire for years by separating and dispersing individuals and families widely enough that they couldn't really ghettoize.

But then, Valens went soft on the refugees. Two years later the refugees killed him and his whole army, and the Empire never recovered. Migration is invasion.

Anonymous Fred Peterson January 13, 2018 4:26 PM  

"Keep in mind this was more akin to the American importation of the Irish, which had similar consequences"

And then...the Irish integrated just fine. All's well.

Blogger VD January 13, 2018 4:34 PM  

And then...the Irish integrated just fine. All's well.

No, then the Irish, in combination with the Jews, opened the doors to the largest invasion in human history. All is very, very far from well.

Blogger tuberman January 13, 2018 4:34 PM  

12. tublecane,

All the elites are not always on the same side, as there was supposedly a coup attempted by the Bush family in 1933 that was supported by several elite ranked families at that time (Morgans, DuPonts, and Rockefellers). Strong rumor, lots of circumstantial evidence, but no proof. All of these are now Globalists, but allies?

There is also much speculation that both Hitler and Stalin were financed by the same people, but Hitler broke off on his own.

Many of the Globalists have gotten over the Left/Right paradigm in recent years in order to rule the world good and proper.

Anonymous Mathias January 13, 2018 4:34 PM  

@15,

There are still certain streets in Boston that you ought not go down if you are not Irish-Looking or a known local. Also, saying the Irish integrated fine into America is like saying the Okinawans integrate just fine into Japanese culture, as if historical proximity is irrelevant to successful integrations (which the assimilation of the Irish into America was only halfway).

Anonymous Nobody in Particular January 13, 2018 4:38 PM  

Would the US rather be Rome or would it rather be Carthage? To me, Rome seems like the model to follow.
Yes, there was crime, yes, they became corrupt and soft and eventually lost their empire, and yes, Titus Livius looked down on the disreputable people who lived in the bad neighborhoods on the bad side of town. But the alternative may be worse.

Blogger Red Bane January 13, 2018 4:43 PM  

Actually Vox, the Anglo's inability to get on with either his own people or other nations means Anglos simply can't have nice things. The history of Britain and America proves this. Animosity and rebellion have been the Anglo's two chief historical virtues and both will and have always resulted in negative outcomes, today, yesterday or in the future.

Sad but true.

And as E Michael Jones has written about in his work, 'The Slaughter of Cities', it is the historic Anglo-Jewish alliance that destroyed America when they used the Black man to break up the old ethnic urban Catholic neighborhoods of the early 20th century. That deliberate policy has resulted in the scourge of modern vibrancy.

Its time to ditch the 'Maria Monk' view of non-anglo, European immigration.

To this day the Anglo-Jewish alliance continues to discourage European migration in favor of diversity.

Anonymous BTC January 13, 2018 4:44 PM  

Ironically, the host of that podcast tried to spin barbarian immigration as a good thing.

Blogger tuberman January 13, 2018 4:46 PM  

There was two Irish friends growing up (not in Boston, of course), both referred to themselves as Americans first, and talked about being "mutts." Probably different on the East Coast, but in the mid-west, they blend, and do not care much about heritage beyond USA.

Anonymous Fred Peterson January 13, 2018 4:51 PM  

"No, then the Irish, in combination with the Jews, opened the doors to the largest invasion in human history. All is very, very far from well."

There were never enough Irish and Jews combined to pin American immigration policy on them. You need to look at the predominant ethnics if you want to do that: Anglos.

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly January 13, 2018 4:52 PM  

@22 This probably comes down to the argument concerning densities. Up near Chicago, when election time rolls around the Pollacks will have red signs with white lettering and the Irishmen green signs with white lettering. So you know who to vote for in that glorious Irish import of the political machine.

And then the multiple unions that still take on the clover for their symbol. And the green dye in the Chicago river each year. And the...

In rural Indiana? None of those things hold. And once more we circle back around to the heart of the problem...how many? How close? How dense?

Blogger Red Bane January 13, 2018 4:52 PM  

Kevin McDonald, in the Occidental Observer gives good account of who was really behind the 1965 immigration act, and it wasn't Ted Kennedy:

'The bill was written by Norbert Schlei who was Jewish, and its official name is the Hart-Celler bill; Emmanuel Celler spent his entire career in Congress as a leader in opposition to immigration restriction, beginning with his hostility to the 1924 law which enshrined quotas favoring Northwestern Europeans. One should also mention the role of Jacob Javits in the Senate. As soon as the bill was passed, Jewish organizations focused their efforts on increasing the numbers of immigrants. Ted Kennedy may not have lied when said the bill would not change America. But in conjunction with the later efforts of Jewish activists, demographic change was inevitable.

But that’s the least of it. The 1965 law was the culmination of a 40-year effort by the Jewish community to overturn the 1924 law.'

Anonymous Fred Peterson January 13, 2018 4:57 PM  

"But that’s the least of it. The 1965 law was the culmination of a 40-year effort by the Jewish community to overturn the 1924 law.'"

What was the ethnic make up of the representatives and senators and president that put the law in place?

Anonymous HoosierHillbilly January 13, 2018 4:58 PM  

@20 "that destroyed America when they used the Black man to break up the old ethnic urban Catholic neighborhoods of the early 20th century. That deliberate policy has resulted in the scourge of modern vibrancy."

So...America was being held together by the old ethnic urban Catholic neighborhoods? And using blacks to move the "ethnics" resulted in diversity? This is an interesting proposal, the details of which I fear you will be all too happy to burden us with.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 13, 2018 5:00 PM  

The founding myth of Rome is that Romulus turned it into a haven for the undesirables of Alba Longa and other nearby Latin cities. If that's true, the Patrician families originated with men who were either not averse to crime, or else not completely domesticated enough to stay out of trouble with the Big Man back home. Those sort of genetics would explain a lot about the Roman character.

And America was founded by colonists with a lot of the same traits. So I guess we shouldn't be surprised by all the echos.

We just seem to be progressing through our cycle about 30-40% faster than the Romans did.





Blogger tublecane January 13, 2018 5:01 PM  

@17-"Many of the Globalists have gotten over the Left/Right paradigm in recent years in order to rule the world good and proper"

They use the left/right divide--especially superficial or illusory versions--to their advantage, and therefore in a sense above or beyond it. I was talking about Hegel in another thread, and I think many elites have a Hegelian outlook,whether or not they realize it. By which I mean they see the March of History as driven by clashes between seeming opposites, which are eventually smashed together to produce new syntheses. See, for instance, Anglo-American elites funding both the Nazis and the Bolsheviks, then fighting WWII and the Cold War, resulting in the NWO as we know it.

However, globalists are not actually over left and right. Bertrand de Jouvenel's On Power, which informs my understanding of the fundamental distinction between left and right, has it that leftist are always for greater centralization of state power. What could be more leftist than ruling the entire world? (Considering we haven't begun colonizing space.)

Until such time as global government already exists, in which case globalist may be reactionaries, they are to the left of most of the world.

Blogger Red Bane January 13, 2018 5:05 PM  

@26.

Mostly Anglos if you look at the list of voters on govtrack.us

Anonymous Jack Amok January 13, 2018 5:09 PM  

There was two Irish friends growing up (not in Boston, of course)

Pat and Mike? Beghorra...

What was the ethnic make up of the representatives and senators and president that put the law in place?

Someone doesn't understand the power of the margins in a democracy.

Anonymous Fred Peterson January 13, 2018 5:30 PM  

"What was the ethnic make up of the representatives and senators and president that put the law in place?

Someone doesn't understand the power of the margins in a democracy."

Sure he does. He also understands how to count votes. Look in your own backyard if you want to cast blame.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 13, 2018 5:32 PM  

On the question of whether the Irish have assimilated: if they identify as Irish, they haven't assimilated.

If you identify as a minority that has to go back, we'll probably believe you. If you identify as an American, we'll probably believe you, unless you blow your cover by quacking about Nation of Immigrants and Diversity is Our Strength.

Blogger Red Bane January 13, 2018 5:35 PM  

Kevin McDonald makes another interesting observation in relation to the 65 immigration act. Most Southerners voted nay. McDonald puts this down to the more aristocratically oriented attitude of Southerners vs the more rebellious and perpetually unsettled attitude of the post 1700 hundred Briton.

Like I said, Anglos are their own worst enemy

Blogger Red Bane January 13, 2018 5:42 PM  

@34

It's hilarious that this 19th century mindset still captures the imagination in light of the coming brown and Muslim wave.

Carry on blaming the Micks while Lord Schlomo of Dunstable continues to engineer your diverse future.

Frankly, in terms of any future waves of euro migrants, I will take the Poles, Irish and Hungarians over the cucked and self destructing Britons. After 13 years living in the UK I can assure you all, it is a nation of self-hating and self-destructive nutters you do not want anywhere near your shores.

Blogger Dire Badger January 13, 2018 5:46 PM  

Do people who identify as "Hillbilly" have to go back?

It's not a very long way.

Anonymous Elder Son January 13, 2018 6:04 PM  

Lindsey Graham to Americans: Your Country Belongs to the World

...both referred to themselves as Americans first, and talked about being "mutts."

The fact is, there are no true Englishmen who came out of colonial America. Of all the European ethnic groups that came to America, pre-1776 (heck, all throughout the 15 and 1600's), they were all inter-marrying. The "mutting" was ongoing long before the... potato famine.

Go do your DNA. Do some REAL ancestry. If you can directly link yourself to ancestors that came to America, during the 15, 16, 1700's, you'll be surprise at the ethnic makeup of your colonial ancestors.

Despite the different ethnic mix of colonial America, many came together by a common adversity, a common enemy, a common cause, to effect a common outcome. They all shared in it. That is something the later 19, 20, 21st century late comers did not have in common. The house was already built. They came and built on top of, and around the house, making the original unrecognizable. None of them had anything in common with the colonials.

Blogger tuberman January 13, 2018 6:05 PM  

The Kennedy's and especially Ted have done some stupid and ugly things, but what about the Vanderbilts, the Morgans, the DuPonts, the Rockefellers, the Bushs, and Wilsons, also the Schiffs, and some of the Roosevelts....so many following the Globalist lines against the population. Anglos = often Traitors.

Blogger tuberman January 13, 2018 6:12 PM  

Yeah, the great families of the UK and the Queen II, where are they now. Over 20000+ hardcore pedos in power, so this does not include the minor players. Just what IS going on over across the pond? Who tells the House of Commons what to do? The House of Lord? The Queen's Family? All puppets? Bet on it, puppets with apparent power.

Anonymous Elder Son January 13, 2018 6:18 PM  

You all have to go back.

Blogger Manach January 13, 2018 6:22 PM  

It can be pointed out that a significant proportion of US army units that served in Indian pacification operations in the US West were of Irish extraction. Perhaps old grudges die hard?

Blogger tuberman January 13, 2018 6:32 PM  

45. papabear

Look above, all those 8 elite Anglo families are completely in on the Globalist Narrative, including bringing in more African Muslims as well as more Hispanics, and they do not have a speck of trouble with the drugs and human trafficking coming across the border either, as they get a cut from all of it. There are probably at least a dozem more elite anglo families involved, but too lazy just now to research this.

Blogger Red Bane January 13, 2018 6:35 PM  

@45
Yes indeed Papa Bear. My apologies.

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Blogger Red Bane January 13, 2018 6:44 PM  

@ 48

You forgot:

Old world Anglo Banker Family 2D12 (+10 if satanic pedophiles)

Blogger tuberman January 13, 2018 6:45 PM  

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Blogger Cataline Sergius January 13, 2018 6:50 PM  

Keep in mind this was more akin to the American importation of the Irish, which had similar consequences.

Indeed. The Julia (as in Gaius Julius Caesar) had once been the kings of Alba Longa. They never forgot about that for seven centuries.

I'm not saying they were planning to over throw the republic for all that time but they never forgot they were kings either.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 13, 2018 6:53 PM  

@37 Dire, hillbillies have to go back to Appalachia, unless they are near me. My hillbillies can stay here.

Blogger S1AL January 13, 2018 7:02 PM  

"The fact is, there are no true Englishmen who came out of colonial America."

And the English were already a mutt-mix of German tribes, native Britons, pre-Christ French immigrants, and Normans.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 13, 2018 7:02 PM  

We also have to take religion into account. If Anglos hate Christianity, they become traitorous open-borders cucks. If immigrant whites like the Irish or Italians hate Christianity, they become Marxoids. If Jews hate Christianity...

It all comes down to Jesus in this case.

Blogger VD January 13, 2018 8:24 PM  

What was the ethnic make up of the representatives and senators and president that put the law in place?

Irrelevant. You're confusing the con men with the victims.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 13, 2018 8:25 PM  

“WASPs destroyed America, so who cares if X helped them do it” is the new, “She was drunk and asking for it.”

Germany is a shithole country.
Italy is a shithole country.
Ireland is a shithole country.
Poland is a shithole country.

If you’re not planning to go back to whatever European shithole your ancestors came from (I’m not), you may as well learn from the mistakes of the WASPs. International unions are dangerous. Central banks are dangerous. Free trade is dangerous. Centralized power is dangerous. Universal suffrage is dangerous. But immigration is deadly.

Blogger tuberman January 13, 2018 8:40 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Stop Perverting Truth wrote:Your determination to keep promoting Irish as evil subversive equivalent to the Jews is of such a nature that you obviously have a dog in the fight. It is time you came clean on what that dog is and why you keep falsifying the historical record using the Irish as your whipping boy.

You have to go back. As does Red Bane and , sad to say, tuberman.


OMG, Now I have to go back to Sweden, but I,... I don't identify as Swed, as I'm a throwback. Would have to do a Brevik, if there for very long. Could I just go back to Fargo?

Blogger S1AL January 13, 2018 8:43 PM  

"But immigration is deadly."

More accurately, immigration is modification. It might be good, bad, or neutral (depending on your measure and perspective), but it is certainly change; you don't even have to buy into any sort of genetic theory to observe that. Someone with my exact genetics who grew up in England would still be a foreigner.

And at bare minimum, change upsets the present balance. Lots of change breaks it. That's simply an empirical fact. Regardless of what came before or comes after, even assimilated immigrants will change the country.

And we aren't seeing assimilation.

All of the nattering about "True Americans" from the Revolutionary Era is irrelevant, and probably specious. Regardless of your definition or what measure you use, that's in the distant past. In the here-and-now, substantial immigration (meaning more than maybe .001% of the present population) will do nothing but cause more problems - regardless of the quality. Best-case scenario it's break-even. It doesn't matter your ethnic background or the color of your skin. Unless you're a Dem politician or Jeb Bush, you're on the losing end.

Anonymous Stop Perverting Truth January 13, 2018 8:45 PM  

Irrelevant. You're confusing the con men with the victims.

The genius Anglo conned out of his inheritance by the low IQ bogtrotting Irish, begorrah!

You know that Hart-Celler was Jewish legislation with a goy frontman. You know this because it has been cited to you repeatedly. You refuse to acknowledge this truth and continue to promote historical falsehoods.

Sowing dissension among the goyim along ethnic lines is a well known hasbara divide-and-conquer tactic.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 13, 2018 9:17 PM  

@54 More accurately, immigration is modification. It might be good, bad, or neutral (depending on your measure and perspective)

If you modify X, you get not-X.
If X no longer exists, that’s deadly.

Regardless of what came before or comes after, even assimilated immigrants will change the country. And we aren't seeing assimilation.

At this point I’m pretty sure that anything other than miscegenation is fake assimilation.

All of the nattering about "True Americans" from the Revolutionary Era is irrelevant, and probably specious.

I don’t want to repeat the mistakes of the true Americans, or for that matter the Yankees, or for that matter the Irish and Jews.

will do nothing but cause more problems - regardless of the quality.

I think talking about about the quality of immigrants is specious. People emigrate from shitholes. You can take the high-IQ immigrant out of the shithole, but you can’t take the shithole out of the high-IQ immigrant.

Blogger S1AL January 13, 2018 9:20 PM  

"At this point I’m pretty sure that anything other than miscegenation is fake assimilation."

I completely agree. Assimilation requires intermarriage. Probably why all the American mutts I know have no self-identity except "American", while those with narrower backgrounds talk about that heritage.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 13, 2018 9:47 PM  

Probably why all the American mutts I know have no self-identity except "American", while those with narrower backgrounds talk about that heritage.

That's the case for me, at least. The biggest shock was when it dawned on me that if Lutherans had colonized American, we'd still be loyal colonies of the Kaiser. I never considered my ethnic background until this blog, although in hindsight I suppose Lutheran casseroles are an ethnic dish.

It occurs to me that German immigrants would have had any German nationalism slapped out of them, hard, twice. I've never heard so much as a hint of German pride from my German side, ever. There was a little bit from my eastern European side (though none from my immediate family), but nothing compared to Saint Patrick's Day, let alone Black History Month or the Holy Holocaust.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 13, 2018 10:46 PM  

DissidentRight wrote:The biggest shock was when it dawned on me that if Lutherans had colonized American, we'd still be loyal colonies of the Kaiser.
Very much NOT true.  Lutherans in America chose during WWI, and chose being American over being German.  Which, in hindsight, was probably a mistake.  Had the Germans won against the French and Russians, the Jews and their Bolsheviks would have been the losers, and Whites the winners.  Had America been enough more German/Lutheran to pick the other side (and push England to it also), we would be so much better off today.

(Damn.  Recaptcha admitted I'm human after only one panel.  Will blunders never cease?)

Blogger S1AL January 13, 2018 11:03 PM  

"It occurs to me that German immigrants would have had any German nationalism slapped out of them, hard, twice."

A lot of "German" immigrants from the mid-1800's to the early-1900's were actually fleeing the wars of unification or the resulting Prussian-dominated state. People forget that Germany is one of the youngest countries in Europe.

Blogger Brett baker January 13, 2018 11:46 PM  

"But other than the aqueducts,public sanitation,roads,rule of law,public order, and wine, what have the Romans done for the people of Judea?

Blogger Brett baker January 13, 2018 11:46 PM  

"But other than the aqueducts,public sanitation,roads,rule of law,public order, and wine, what have the Romans done for the people of Judea?

Anonymous DissidentRight January 14, 2018 12:10 AM  

@59 Very much NOT true. Lutherans in America chose during WWI, and chose being American over being German. 

“if Lutherans had colonized American, we'd still be loyal colonies of the Kaiser.” -> If the the 13 colonies had been populated by German Lutherans instead of Englishmen, we wouldn’t have chosen to side with England or non-existent American-English…

Had America been enough more German/Lutheran to pick the other side (and push England to it also), we would be so much better off today.

Well heck, we could have knocked off Lincoln while we were at it.

@60 People forget that Germany is one of the youngest countries in Europe.

I’m such a bad German nationalist. I think that’s why (half) my ancestors came here. Regardless, my grandfather (non-German) had a random story about a pro-Hitler German immigrant who changed his tune very quickly when America joined the war. Maybe if America had declared war on Italy and Ireland, their respective immigrants would have been more submissive.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 14, 2018 12:28 AM  

DissidentRight wrote:Maybe if America had declared war on Italy and Ireland, their respective immigrants would have been more submissive.
America declared war on Italy the same day they declared war on Germany.
The difference is that Italians had not yet been here 5 generations as many of the Germans had.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 14, 2018 12:48 AM  

"Sowing dissension among the goyim along ethnic lines is a well known hasbara divide-and-conquer tactic."

@Stop Perverting Truth
Pew Research found that 60% of white Catholics voted for Trump, compared to 24% of Jews (and 58% of Protestants).

I actually now suspect that the nation-wreckers among the Irish were either trying to brown-nose and imitate the cucks within the Anglo establishment, or were Marxists who had rejected religion.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction January 14, 2018 12:02 PM  

This. Most people who are "Irish" are only identifiable as such because they self elect.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction January 14, 2018 12:06 PM  

Good point, something that I have observed within my own family lines.

Blogger bw January 14, 2018 12:12 PM  

..Senator Jacob Javitz

No Way!


at least a dozen more elite anglo families involved

Probably covered a decade or so ago around here: had a post headline on such or at least *in* the text of post:
Quiqley books, Tragedy and Hope and Anglo American Establishment.

TragedyandHope.com and Grove connects tons of dots on these Euro traitor people - follow the money and networks and power - and has tons of data points, but they are quite pozzed culturally with anarcho-libertarian shit and certainly on race/diversity. Not heavy on the Jew at all if ever.

Jay Dyer @jaysanalysis.com has the best podcast "lecture" series on Quiqley, a dozen hours or more. Hardcore philosophy/theology, is EOC and has done well of late with book Esoteric Hollywood and tv stuff. Funny, intelligent guy and doesn't have the typical soy tits boy snarky sniveling voice or triggers that most alt has so is relief in that respect. Recognizes The Jew in history, but not emphasized heavily.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 14, 2018 12:52 PM  

@64 America declared war on Italy the same day they declared war on Germany.

Well, there goes that theory.

Blogger Joe Keenan January 14, 2018 1:52 PM  

Yo Vox, Irish kids take your lunch money when you were little? Did they make you say "uncle?" Or, has exposure to the depth and breadth of Irish literature left you gobsmacked, and you lash out in futile rage? (Is gobsmacked one word?) Don't worry, we're OK once you get to know us.

On a more serious note, why is it that Catholicism has no problem embracing Italians, pig chasing Germans, Poles, Egyptians, even the Irish, but somehow The Republic is threatened by the bogtrotters?

Perhaps, the key is shared values and not blood/DNA?

Blogger AaMcavoy January 15, 2018 4:58 PM  

Elder Son wrote:

Go do your DNA. Do some REAL ancestry. If you can directly link yourself to ancestors that came to America, during the 15, 16, 1700's, you'll be surprise at the ethnic makeup of your colonial ancestors.



English, on both sides, from the 1600s. What's supposed to be surprising?

Blogger Robert Sullivan January 17, 2018 1:50 PM  

Please Explain to me Vox. Why do you have a such a beef with Irish-Americans? You seem fine with all the other Western European Groups except the Irish for some reason. Also AaMcavoy I'd be willing to bet every penny in my bank account that your ancestry is not pure English ancestry all the way to the 1600s. You know Elder Son meant do an actual DNA test and not just your "official" ancestry right? And I'm still willing to bet isn't pure English.

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