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Saturday, January 06, 2018

Make California Mexico Again

Michael Walsh asserts that California lawmakers are moving towards seceding from the Union:
California Democrats—as radical a group of anti-Americans as you will find in this country, whether legal or “undocumented”—have again fired on Fort Sumter. And once again (don’t kid yourselves), the goal is de facto and, later, de jure, secession from the United States of America, as part of the Aztlan-inspired Reconquista of what Hispanic radicals consider lost territory.

Never mind that California has been a state since 1850, and fought on the Union side in the Civil War. Never mind that California was settled by hard-working New Englanders and Midwesterners, who transformed it from a wilderness into the most prosperous and, later, largest, state in the Union. Never mind that, since the early 20th century, California has been the pot of gold at the end of the American rainbow, where both winners and losers went to seek their fortunes. The Mexicans, who failed to settle the territory properly in the first place, now want it back.
California should be encouraged to secede, and the rest of the USA should deport all of those who sympathize with the California Democrats to live under a regime more to their ideological liking. The irony of Walsh's remind that California "was settled by hard-working New Englanders and Midwesterners" is his refusal to acknowledge that it has been subsequently settled by Mexicans and dreamchasers seeking Silicon Valley fortune and Hollywood fame from around the USA.

Walsh also ignores that the territory was settled long before those "hard-working New Englanders and Midwesterners" arrived and ruined the place. The fact that he doesn't regard those Indian and Mexican settlements as "proper" is irrelevant; if you're going to assert the right of conquest to a territory, then you have to surrender that territory when it is subsequently invaded and conquered.

Immigration is invasion. It always has been. And if you're dumb enough to believe otherwise, well, don't cry when you lose your territory and your ability to rule yourself, because it is absolutely and inevitably going to happen. And, to be blunt, you deserve to lose it, because you refused to defend it. America is endangered and the USA is in its death throes because Americans were stupid enough to swallow their own bullshit when it was fed to them in a poisoned variant. The astonishing idiocy of Americans, who believed that invading foreigners would genuinely sacrifice the interests of themselves, their families, and their peoples in order to become imitation Americans will be marveled at by future historians. It may well prove to be the single stupidest, most self-destructive act by a powerful nation since Moctezuma allowed himself to be captured by Cortes as "a diplomatic gesture".

Meanwhile, both Israel and Pakistan are proving their ability to do what is supposedly impossible for the Greatest Nation on Earth.

On Wednesday, the Pakistani government ordered 1.4 million Afghan refugees to leave the country in 30 days.

If the God-Emperor is going to save the Union and Make America Great Again, he is going to have to order the same for all post-1965 immigrants and their posterity. Anything short of that will prove insufficient and will most likely lead to war and the breakup of the USA within 15 years.

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167 Comments:

Blogger TheMaleRei January 06, 2018 11:02 AM  

Good. Don't let the door hit you on the way out, folks.

Blogger JACIII January 06, 2018 11:15 AM  

As the yankee explained 150 years ago - You don't get to just leave.

If California wants to leave we get to a) murder, rape, burn, pillage. b)subjugate it for a century or so first.

Fair is fair.

Anonymous JI January 06, 2018 11:16 AM  

If the US was to cede all territory to Mexico except for what is now North Dakota, there would still be Mexicans climbing the fence to get in. So if California left the Union to join with Mexico, after the initial wave of the descendants of New Englanders and Midwesterners left, we'd be back to the same old story of Mexicans trying to gain entry to the US.

Blogger Stilicho January 06, 2018 11:20 AM  

We have the supreme authority of (((the gay mustache))) who assures us that it is unpossible to deport 1.4 million immivaders.

Blogger CM January 06, 2018 11:27 AM  

NY State is next.

Blogger Bufface January 06, 2018 11:32 AM  

They won't leave. By 2028 at the latest, Texas will go blue. Then California, along with the rest of the blues will happily stay in order to crack the whip on the rest of the nation.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 06, 2018 11:38 AM  

Spanish please, not Mexican. The Mexicans ran the place for a while but the people considered themselves Spanish. At least my grandmother's family did. She looked like Catherine zeta Jones not a dumpy little house keeper. And she was not fond of Mexicans.

Blogger Chiva January 06, 2018 11:41 AM  

If California secedes then the water war between California and Arizona can start up again.
We will also see the residents of Northern California petition the USA to join as the State of Jefferson. Most of the water used in California agriculture comes from the Sierras and Northern California.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 06, 2018 11:42 AM  

Nick Cole was working on a Calexit a while back.

Anyone know if that one is still in the works?

Blogger VD January 06, 2018 11:43 AM  

Anyone know if that one is still in the works?

No, Galaxy's Edge took off and that's his priority, understandably enough.

Anonymous DissidentRight January 06, 2018 11:45 AM  

For the midwits among us, what is the 2033 estimate based on?

Anonymous Jefferson Will Rise January 06, 2018 11:52 AM  

"Calexit- The Anthology" by JL Curtis, Tina Garceau, Stephanie Martin.

http://a.co/b0ThAmw

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 06, 2018 11:54 AM  

Galaxy's Edge kicks ass. I don't want a war with California but they aren't leaving with the land they stole from my grandmother. I'd rather read about a war in a galaxy far far away.

Blogger Stilicho January 06, 2018 11:56 AM  

2033 is based on economic factors, historical lifespan of currencies and all the socionomic factors added in for leavening. See also Glubb's treatise on the fate of nations as well as the classical greek/roman view of the natural succession of govt types. The timing aspect remains primarily economic unless Vox has changed his analysis (i.e. Economic factors will be the catalyst bringing the collapse in 2033).

Anonymous Mike January 06, 2018 11:56 AM  

“hard-working New Englanders and Midwesterners" = dumbest most gullible tribe on the planet.

Just ask them. They truly believe non-whites and (((fellow whites))) share their basic WASP values such as honesty.

Go watch Tucker Carlson on Fox when he interviews a black, spic or (((journalist))). These non-whites lie all the time. without any hesitation. Lying, cheating and stealing are their values.

Yet your average tea-tard goodwhite still believes a civilization can be made with these savages. You deserve to have your heart ripped out in an Aztec sacrifice.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 06, 2018 11:59 AM  

VD wrote:Anyone know if that one is still in the works?

No, Galaxy's Edge took off and that's his priority, understandably enough.


I had wondered if that was the case.

Is Soda Pop Solider 2 still a go?

Blogger pyrrhus January 06, 2018 12:07 PM  

I'm sure the Chumash people who ruled SoCal 300 years ago thought that the magic dirt would civilize the Spanish conquistadors and the noble Americans who settled among them..Unfortunately, their population declined 99.9% in the pursuit of this theory and LA and Malibu were handed over to a different tribe, one that came from the Middle East....

Blogger VD January 06, 2018 12:08 PM  

Is Soda Pop Solider 2 still a go?

Yes, we will be publishing that.

Anonymous Crew (not the one who makes stupid claims) January 06, 2018 12:09 PM  

The Federal Government and that Stable Genius the God Emperor Trump can put a world of hurt on California if it tries to secede!

You should go to Twitter and support the God Emperor Trump!

Blogger YIH January 06, 2018 12:12 PM  

Maybe that will finally convince Little Benny it's time to make Aliyah.
As well as convince Steve Sailer and VDH it's time to become ''refugees'' themselves.

Blogger McChuck January 06, 2018 12:13 PM  

Let Cali secede. Declare a state of rebellion, and mobilize. Cut off the water and power, blow the dams and power plants. Enforce a naval blockade. Wait 90 days for full mobilization and for the water and fuel to run out. Send in the Army and Marines and kill every single survivor - no quarter. (Ok, ok, survivors could be rounded up and banished to Mexico.) Build the wall (start with concertina wire and smart mines), forcibly deport all the rest of the Latinos. By catapult over the wall, if necessary. Let the Mormons resettle the California desert. If Mexico objects, remind them that we have conquered them twice before, and now we have nukes.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd January 06, 2018 12:15 PM  

It's so damn frustrating. I don't understand it. You can show people complete evidence to the contrary and it will have no effect.

I'm wondering if it's our Pride that is the problem; we set ourselves up as the saviors of the world during WWII, and justified it by supporting equalism in a manner we hadn't before. In order to paint ourselves as the heroes and the German and Japanese as the ultimate villains, we made fighting for equalism and against white interests part of our propaganda and ironically, our sense of superiority as white people. Of course, there are (((sources))) of this thought responsible for pushing that kind of self-destruction, but our good church ladies, soccer moms, suburban dads, and even police/military guys, didn't have to lap it up and make it the cornerstone of their identity.

It's kind of like the argument blacks make about the C.I.A. dropping crack cocaine in the inner city. Even if it were somehow true, it's still the inhabitants stupid decision to sell it and build a culture around it that is ultimately responsible.

We never HAD to accept poz. Did we choose to do that in order that we could become the heroes who made the world safe for us democracy, and could bask in our moral superiority?

Blogger Dave January 06, 2018 12:22 PM  

VD wrote:Anyone know if that one is still in the works?

No, Galaxy's Edge took off and that's his priority, understandably enough.


Yeah it took off. Cole and Anspach have been pumping out Galaxy's Edge books to the tune of almost one a month, now six total. You read one of them, Vox, what do you think the hook is?

Anonymous karsten January 06, 2018 12:25 PM  

"If the God-Emperor is going to save the Union and Make America Great Again, he is going to have to order the same for all post-1965 immigrants and their posterity."

Agreed, but I don't see how he can actually accomplish this. If the past year has evidenced anything, it's that the U.S. is now a kritocracy, and the President serves at the pleasure of each and every federal judge in the country, any one of which, it seems, can override him, at will, on any matter, then retcon the Constitution to support their decision.

Blogger Shimshon January 06, 2018 12:25 PM  

It looks like Israel is being quite compassionate. We've given them three months before the gloves come off. The government is offering them $3500 and a free flight to leave voluntarily to either their homeland, or one of several countries that have offered to accept them. The "victims" are accusing the government of being part of human trafficking. Ah well. If so, that is the type of trafficking I endorse. Jack Ward stands with me, does he not?

I admit to being horrified when the actual incident occurred, but today I have newfound appreciation for it. Trump should just Elián González the lot of them, if need be.

Blogger DonReynolds January 06, 2018 12:28 PM  

I have no idea why anyone would think of California as part of Mexico....or Arizona, or New Mexico, or Texas.

Mexico did not even exist until it won their independence from the Crown of Spain in 1824. The people who drifted into California and Texas and the other states were Spaniards, not Mexicans.

In the case of Texas, Mexico existed for a mere 12 years before Texas declared their own independence. In the case of California (and the other states), it was part of MEXICO slightly over twenty years before becoming US territory at the end of the Mexican War.

These territories were only briefly part of Mexico AND the government of Mexico has lost any and all claim to these territories by the sword, by treaty, by payment in gold, and by being settled by Americans for the past 173-182 years....all with the agreement of the Mexican government. Oh, and don't mention the separate Gadsden Purchase of 1853, some 30,000 square miles of Mexican territory along southern Arizona and southwestern New Mexico....obviously with the agreement and approval of the Mexican government. In today money, the purchase was for $270 million USD.

Just how many different ways does this country need to acquire territory before it is finally considered a part of this country???

Anonymous Chris January 06, 2018 12:28 PM  

I'm wondering if it's our Pride that is the problem...

No. It's Idiocy it's always Idiocy.

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/albert_einstein_100015

Anonymous Tars Tarkas January 06, 2018 12:29 PM  

California can't afford to leave because of their share of the federal debt and they owe that debt in dollars.
I don't think the rest of the country would allow them to secede anyway. The whole country would have to break up before any state, let alone California will be allowed to leave.

Blogger APL January 06, 2018 12:32 PM  

But but,.... immigrants are good for the economy!

"Pakistan’s economy has carried the burden of hosting Afghan refugees since long and in the present circumstances cannot sustain it further," said the statement after the meeting.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1380570

Blogger Ken Prescott January 06, 2018 12:32 PM  

The marijuana kerfluffle is the first countermove against sanctuary state.

Almost everyone thinks that Silicon Valley or Hollywood is the big power in this state. And almost everyone would be wrong.

Commercial real estate is the power. They have used that power ruthlessly. They destroyed an entire financial sector--practically every savings & loan/thrift association--to avoid the consequences of overbuilding in the 1970s and 1980s, and they got draconian land use policies in place in the 1990s and 2000s to close out possible disruption from outsiders.

They LIKE having a single party in Sacramento. They only have to keep one small group of political elites happy & funded instead of two.

But now they're looking at whole chunks of their portfolios being at risk of seizure by the DEA--including commercial office buildings as Big Weed begins to emerge.

Sanctuary state is opening fire on Fort Sumter. Going after "legal" weed is the Federal blockade of Southron trade.

Either the Democrats repeal sanctuary state (which may be politically impossible), or the commercial real estate sector will see to it that the Democrats get removed.

(Given an existential threat from the people who can make or break the California economy, the Democrats MIGHT be able to undo sanctuary state and become born-again Trumpistas. This would be endlessly amusing to watch, if it could happen. But, given the YUGE number of gammas in Democrat leadership, it's not the way to bet.)

Blogger MadMax 1861 January 06, 2018 12:35 PM  

@10 DissidentRight
Some scholars believe that Christ was crucified on Friday, April 3, in the year 33. 2000 years later is 2033 and perhaps the start of the "End Times." That and economic collapse and other factors.

Anonymous gxg January 06, 2018 12:41 PM  

"Pakistan’s economy has carried the burden of hosting Afghan refugees since long and in the present circumstances cannot sustain it further," said the statement after the meeting.

I wonder how much of this GTFO sentiment is fueled by the USA cutting foreign aid. Funny how things change when the money is cut off.

On the homefront, I've often thought that a quick, serious financial contraction would do the USA a lot of good, because it would force us to rethink our misguided compassion.

Anonymous Philalethes January 06, 2018 12:43 PM  

Walsh also ignores that the territory was settled long before those "hard-working New Englanders and Midwesterners" arrived and ruined the place. The fact that he doesn't regard those Indian and Mexican settlements as "proper" is irrelevant….

The Bay Area had the highest population density north of the Valley of Mexico before the Spanish arrived in California (the name* they gave to the place). The Spanish enslaved the natives, and many died from diseases; the post-1850 "hard-working New Englanders and Midwesterners" hunted and killed them for entertainment, like English fox hunts.

*(The name California is surmised by some writers to have derived from a fictional paradise peopled by Black Amazons and ruled by Queen Calafia, who fought alongside Muslims and whose name was chosen to echo the title of a Muslim leader, the Caliph, fictionally implying that California was the Caliphate.)

Hmm…

Blogger Dirtnapninja January 06, 2018 12:52 PM  

Not a good idea to let california go. You will extend the border massively, and when Calexico fails, the californians will stream across the border. Retreatism is a failed strategy.

Anonymous Jeff January 06, 2018 1:03 PM  

As the pressure to deport inevitably builds, the GEOTUS SG will go with the flow.

Blogger James January 06, 2018 1:12 PM  

Sometimes I lie awake at night dreaming of California seceding. But, I don't believe it will happen. Frankly, I think most of it is just a scam trying to shake down the rest of the nation. They can't afford to exist as their own nation. The stupidity they have enshrined in their State laws cannot realistically be sustained if the taxpayers outside of the Land of Fruit and Nuts stop subsidizing them. And the (((owners of the Federal Reserve))) will resist their attempt to duck out of the Federal Debt with all the armed goys at their disposal. It will be interesting to see if the "tax reform" bill (stop...please....you're killing me....with the jokes) and trying to prevent State Income Taxes from being deducted from Federal Taxes will have any serious effect on the Fagifornia economy.

Blogger lowell houser January 06, 2018 1:16 PM  

No. Silicon Valley and LA can leave if they wish. The rest of California would like to be free of the coast.

Anonymous gxg January 06, 2018 1:17 PM  

Funny about the tax reform bill, I was less than enthused. But now, seeing how the blue-state libs are flipping out, I find I support it enthusiastically.

Blogger Jew613 January 06, 2018 1:25 PM  

Every argument against expelling the invaders in your countries was also being thrown around in Israel pre-2013. Its not humane, they are suffering, there are only a few of them etc. Then things changed and they changed quick.

2 factors made it happen, the first was a huge increase in the number of infiltrators in 2013, 17,000. No one could argue it was a trickle when there were that many. The second and far more important change was the Israeli elite began to feel the pain the infiltrators had inflicted on the poor and working classes.

When MK Elazar Stern was assaulted by an Eritrean infiltrator in south Tel Aviv it began a series of events that led the Israeli elite to deal with the invaders. While there were other crimes and areas reduced to third world hellholes this was the most famous incident.

Its been five years and only now are we turning the corner on getting the infiltrators out of our country but at least we are heading in the right direction. So dealing with the problem it will take time.

The issue can be handled, make your elite feel the pain of the immivasion and they will send the invaders back, build walls, whatever it takes. But if those on top aren't suffering they will only see the benefits the foreign hordes bring them.

Blogger Ransom Smith January 06, 2018 1:27 PM  

Accelerationism my friends.
Join the train.
I vote yea to let California leave

Blogger VD January 06, 2018 1:28 PM  

Vox, what do you think the hook is?

It's a better Star Wars than Star Wars is now.

Anonymous Ryan G January 06, 2018 1:29 PM  

Let California go. Even though they owe a crap load of money, at some point you simply have to cut your losses. Positive electoral outcomes aside, making them a foreign country would have the added benefit of being able to restrict all the libs fleeing the mess they created.

Blogger Cecil Henry January 06, 2018 1:31 PM  

BUILD THE WALL: THEN get to work!!!


In 2018: it's time to let diversity™ be someone else's strength.

Remigration 2018:

https://i.imgur.com/MR7BiFi.jpg

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 06, 2018 1:35 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:Mexico did not even exist until it won their independence from the Crown of Spain in 1824. The people who drifted into California and Texas and the other states were Spaniards, not Mexicans.
Mexico certainly existed. you are confusing the state of Mexico with the nation of Mexico. The Spaniards created Mexico when they conquered the Aztec Empire, leveled the inhabitants to a single social caste and imposed a single language and culture on them, eliminating the core distinctions between tribes.

Blogger JWM January 06, 2018 1:36 PM  

Weed is the Trump card. Make California choose: Legal weed, or, uh- immigrants. Take your time, and think on it, stoners...

JWM

Blogger Lovekraft January 06, 2018 1:42 PM  

New tool in the culture war found on reddit:

https://right.audio/redpillme/

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 06, 2018 1:43 PM  

The California political drama sounds like it is playing into Trump's hands since he is about the only Republican outside of Reagan to thrive in drama and political theatre, the rest of Gay Old Pedos being the omegas of the political world.

I have my doubts Sessions is full of enough guile to come up with squeezing the immigration fruit thru Cali Commercial real estate, but if that were true I am impressed.

Anonymous JAG January 06, 2018 1:45 PM  

JACIII wrote:As the yankee explained 150 years ago - You don't get to just leave.

If California wants to leave we get to a) murder, rape, burn, pillage. b)subjugate it for a century or so first.

Fair is fair.


I'm willing to forgo that precedent just to get California out of the US. Many shitlibs and illegals would leave the US to go to CA which is a huge positive. Also, CA and its bogus 55 EV (due to counting illegals in population) would be history.

Anonymous Killua January 06, 2018 1:46 PM  

Let them leave. Without California's 55 electoral votes, democrats won't be able to win another presidential election again.

Anonymous Sardaukar January 06, 2018 1:48 PM  

I’m an advocate of Tom Kratman’s plan that California secede so that we can then recognize it, mobilize against it, invade it, conquer it, crush it, execute its leaders (after a trial of course!) and then restructure as a territory sin suffragio en perpetua, never to be allowed to vote in national elections like Guam and Puerto Rico. I would add allow Northern California to become the state of Jefferson and take the place of California as the 50th State. :)

Anonymous Gingas January 06, 2018 1:55 PM  

I apologize if this has been stated before or if most here are already aware of it. But in case it may prove useful for you, here are the top 10 whitest states in America:

1) Maine
2) Vermont
3) West Virginia
4) New Hampshire
5) Iowa
6) Montana
7) North Dakota
8) Kentucky
9) Wyoming
10) Idaho

These states may be the future heartlands of the white ethnostates to emerge from the collapse/partition. In contrast, the top 10 most diverse states are:

1) Hawaii
2) California
3) Texas
4) Nevada
5) Maryland
6) New York
7) New Mexico
8) New Jersey
9) Florida
10) Georgia

https://www.homesnacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/most-diverse-states-in-america-map.png

Parts of the Pacific Northwest, the Midwest, and New England are currently the most white regions in the United States. The South (ironically) and the Southwest are most the diverse regions.

These are the white relocation movements: the Northwest Territorial Imperative, the American Redoubt, Free State Project, Pioneer Little Europe, and Free State Wyoming.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 06, 2018 1:57 PM  

Kratman there is a name not heard in awhile. Called me a homo one time, I still cry myself to sleep every night reliving that horror.

Blogger DonReynolds January 06, 2018 2:11 PM  

Of course, it is nonsense to even talk about ANY state...including California...voting their way out of the Federal Union. No one seems to remember that many of the Confederate states did exactly the same thing...a plebiscite by the voters. None of which was acceptable to the rest of the country. (Tennessee, in fact, had two such elections and the voters turned down secession on the first vote.) So it must be clear that no state can vote their way out of the Union.

It is not impossible under the Constitution, but it would require an amendment to the Constitution, meaning that California and 36 other states would have to ratify that amendment, in order for California to leave. Any such amendment would also open the door for ANY other state to do likewise! Consider that for a moment...the Old South would create the New Confederacy by next week. Whatever Californians are allowed to do, so can folks in Alabama, and Georgia, and Texas, and the Carolinas, and Tennessee.

Personally, I would be opposed to California leaving the Federal Union. They stopped making land a long time ago and 163,696 square miles is a lot of land to give up. WE may need that in the future. The people who most support Calexit are not even Americans and once they are deported back to Mexico, much of the interest in Calexit will dry up. Calexit is not about pot-heads. It is about millions of Mexican citizens who do not want to be deported.

The best response to Calexit would be for the Congress to remove statehood from California and return them to territorial government. That would be acceptable. The governor would be appointed by the President. There would be no reps or senators (or electoral votes) from California sitting in Congress. All of California laws would be null and void, replaced by Federal territorial law. (Yes, we still have that.) California would remain a territory of the USA but not a state, which would preserve the military bases there and Federal authority and jurisdiction.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 06, 2018 2:15 PM  

California threatening to secede is like a five year old child threatening to run away from home.

Everyone knows they're absurdly dependent on their surrounding states. For water, for electricity. Heck, they like to boast about their food production, but even those numbers are usually exaggerated by about two to ten times.

They produce nothing of particular value and are a net drain on the other states. While they'll scream and squeal, they have precisely the same viability as a psychotic child. Secession will quickly equal death, even if the surrounding states just watch and guard their borders for a month while cutting aid.

Do I want them to secede/die at this point? Yes. My brother will just have to hurry his happy self up and get out sooner rather than later. There's only so much even a stark red pill can do in the state of insanity.

Anonymous Longtime Lurker January 06, 2018 2:17 PM  

Mexico is the inheritor of the rump Spanish Empire in the New World. Unfortunately for Mexico, it was born overextended and could not hold its remaining northern provinces when Generals Taylor and Scott arrived on the scene.

No way in hell is the imperial Metropole giving up prime real estate on the Pacific coast without a hard fight.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 06, 2018 2:20 PM  

"Kratman there is a name not heard in awhile."

That's probably a good thing. Unless he calmed down/climbed over his hangups about predictions of the likely future vs his bygone family decisions, there's probably only pain for him here.

Anonymous BBGKB January 06, 2018 2:22 PM  

CA has 1/3 of all US welfare recipients and has fought against regulations limiting welfare payouts from strip clubs and cruise ships. http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/06/news/economy/strip_club_welfare/

Kratman there is a name not heard in awhile. Called me a homo one time, I still cry myself to sleep every night reliving that horror.

Did he hurt himself pounding the table during "what about me"? Who would have thought I had thicker skin than him.

Anonymous Just another commenter January 06, 2018 2:26 PM  

@49 - I second (third?) the motion. The US gets to pull out all it's troops and military hardware to the border, rest a few weeks in OR / NV / AZ, then hold the eastern border while they assault south and drive the undesirables into old Mexico. Cut the water from northern CA and they'll export themselves. Overshoot a bit and grab Baja - everything west of the Colorado River (make that the new border). Then make them a vote-less territory until they run a balanced budget for three generations and all "entitlement" systems are actuarially sound.

Blogger RC January 06, 2018 2:40 PM  

@57. That looks like a most excellent proposal. I particularly like the Colorado as their western border. Nice.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 06, 2018 2:43 PM  

Los Angeles is already a Mexican city. It happens to have a bunch of white people, but the dominant culture is Mexican already, and socially organized along the same peasant/patron order you see in Mexico City. SoCal used to be a conservative bulwark, too. This was the land of Nixon, Reagan and John Wayne. It's Mexican now.

Talk about secession, states, territories, constitutions etc. is nice and all. But that's mere talk about political organization. Socially, much of California is already up and gone to Mexico. We'd be remiss to think this situation is unique to California, too. I've already seen my state of Virginia slip away. Where I live in NoVA it simply isn't Virginia anymore, in fact it is not really American either. I can't what it is, it's a multi-ethnic Balkanized polyglot, but it's not American.

Blogger pyrrhus January 06, 2018 2:54 PM  

Having spent a lot of time in California in the last decade, with several close relatives living there, the changes are staggering. Eastern California is probably 80% hispanic, while there are no longer white neighborhoods, even the most expensive, anywhere in SoCal that don't have lots of hispanics hanging around and owning houses. For someone who grew up seeing California as it was in the late 60s, it's shocking.

Anonymous Sam the Man January 06, 2018 2:58 PM  

San Diego is a major Naval base, I very much doubt that the US would let that go.

Larger portions of the state would want to be free of Sacramento, so any attempt by the coastal nit-wits to form a new "free state/Mexican aligned entity" would be met by a integral independence movement. Given the inability of South American cadre to ever stand against Northern European soldiers, I very much doubt the urban districts of CA could subdue the rural sections, if they even had nominal support from US sources.

The war would turn ugly. Think Kosovo 1998 and Yugoslavia circa 1991. A lot of folks in the UN would love to do payback on us ands support the independent states, so "Free CA" would have some external support. It would result in some kind or rather bad war, one which most likely would lead to a real decline in the US.

That said it is hard to see how this glorious utopian experiment is going to end well, even given both sides seeking the best way out. There are simply too many contradictions to resolve peaceably. Something bad this way comes.

Anonymous Elder Son January 06, 2018 3:03 PM  

in fact it is not really American either.

America, is no longer "really America". People need to stop fooling themselves that their state has any semblance of still being "American". Even Montana has a large Mexican gang problem, and to a lesser extent (but growing) Black gang problem.

Anonymous Elder Son January 06, 2018 3:17 PM  

White House Asks For $18 Billion To Build 700 Miles of new and replacement barrier - to be completed by 2027.

On the heals of: lawmakers and the White House negotiate an immigration package that would legalize young undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children, a group known as Dreamers.

How Complicated Can Paying For A Border Wall Be?

http://www.conservativehq.com/article/27142-how-complicated-can-paying-border-wall-be

FFS. It couldn’t be as complicated as paying for what all this… paid for. Could it?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Blogger Ken Prescott January 06, 2018 3:18 PM  

Mr.MantraMan wrote:The California political drama sounds like it is playing into Trump's hands since he is about the only Republican outside of Reagan to thrive in drama and political theatre, the rest of Gay Old Pedos being the omegas of the political world.

I have my doubts Sessions is full of enough guile to come up with squeezing the immigration fruit thru Cali Commercial real estate, but if that were true I am impressed.


Sessions may not be that smart, but the God-Emperor lived and breathed commercial real estate for decades. All he needed to do was give the order.

Hell, he probably has a few scores to settle with California real estate interests, because they helped break things in the national CRE market. He might not be especially interested in a compromise.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 06, 2018 3:24 PM  

@6

She's Welsh, dude. I know. I was surprised as fuck too when I discovered that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Zeta-Jones

To be fair though, the fact her name isn't fucking Anita Biblioteca Sanchez Santa Cabrone and is fucking whitebread anglo as shit is a dead give away.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 06, 2018 3:26 PM  

I don't know if this would fall under strategy, tactics or operational art but I've long thought most of the time we should encourage the left to its extremes.

In game terms, Agree & Amplify since it seems the left is mostly about shit testing us conservative types into losing our cool.

Anonymous Victor F. Michaelson January 06, 2018 3:26 PM  

Just how many different ways does this country need to acquire territory before it is finally considered a part of this country???
History shows it’s not America until it’s occupied, for generations, by self governing Christian English speaking Anglo Saxon’s.

Anonymous Stryker4570 January 06, 2018 3:27 PM  

Not happening. Edwards Air Force Base, Camp Pendelton Marine Corps base, Miramar AFB, San Diego Naval Base, and Coronado, the West Coast home of the Navy SEALs are all in CA. Not only is the US NOT giving away those strategic assets, but there is enough US military might to bring CA to heel with the resources already there without bringing in military from other parts of the country.

Anonymous Red Cabbage January 06, 2018 3:28 PM  

I wouldn't mind if California broke off and drifted out to sea, but if it's going to stay affixed to the continent, I don't fancy sharing several hundred more miles of border with Mexico.

Blogger Ken Prescott January 06, 2018 3:33 PM  

Sam the Man wrote:San Diego is a major Naval base, I very much doubt that the US would let that go.

More to the point, it's a damn good port, period, and the local populace is most assuredly not of a secessionist bent. They'd join in a Wheeling Convention in a heartbeat.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 06, 2018 3:38 PM  

I know Jones is Welch. But I've never met a Spanish woman as fair and pretty as my grandmother. ��

Blogger Shimshon January 06, 2018 3:40 PM  

@60 pyrrhus, I visited Los Angeles, the land of my birth and youth, last summer for the first time in almost 13 years. I saw the transformation you describe all at once. It was quite staggering. There were always a lot of Latinos, but their extremely high visibility in formerly lily-white areas was shocking.

Anonymous Tea Party Patriotard January 06, 2018 3:41 PM  

I got muh AR-15... even though I’m 300 lbs and can’t get off the couch without wheezing, I’m ready to fight... wait, is the NFL is on? Can we postpone Civil War 2 until after the Super Bowl? Oh, and please don’t shoot my black grandson.

Anonymous Stryker4570 January 06, 2018 3:50 PM  

Oh, I forgot there is another Maribe Corps base in the desert in 29 Palms. Was an Army base, but the Army deemed the location 'uninhabitable.' The Marines said 'Yeah, we'll use it.' And took it over.

Anonymous John in Indy January 06, 2018 3:55 PM  

Though there is an anthology of stories titled Calexit, editor /contributing author Jim (J.L.) Curtis, ISBN 1978308329 - I found it a good read, and I like the rest of his books as well.
Vox, he is also a neighbor and friend of Peter Grant, and a prolific newer writer.
John in Indy

Blogger cmbaileytstc January 06, 2018 3:57 PM  

OT: Scott Adam's POTUSVSG (President Of the US Very Stable Genius)=new "God-Emperor"?

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales January 06, 2018 3:58 PM  

@70

Welch? That ain't no country I ever heard of. Do they speak English in Welch?

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 06, 2018 4:07 PM  

They speak Welch's.

Anonymous Daniel January 06, 2018 4:08 PM  

>>California should be encouraged to secede,

Let Blue California secede, and Red California (70% of the state) can defend and protect that beautiful state. And when I say Blue California I also mean the central valley agricultural area. They demanded an endless supply of cheap labor, let them live with the consequences when the exploited labor are now their masters.

We can always reconquer the central valley but, of course, the growers who supported the treasonous invasion will lose title to their land by new Red state, yeoman farmer conquerors. That's what happens when you play for and support the losing side.

Blogger Unknown January 06, 2018 4:12 PM  

>>California should be encouraged to secede,

Let Blue California secede, and Red California (70% of the state) can defend and protect that beautiful state. And when I say Blue California I also mean the central valley agricultural area. They demanded an endless supply of cheap labor, let them live with the consequences when the exploited labor are now their masters.

We can always reconquer the central valley but, of course, the growers who supported the treasonous invasion will lose title to their land by new Red state, yeoman farmer conquerors. That's what happens when you play for and support the losing side.

Anonymous Frank Burton January 06, 2018 4:15 PM  

VD's proposal, if I am reading correctly, would seem to require that the US deport some 30 million native-born American citizens (in addition to the even larger number of foreign-born immigrants).

Would someone care to explain the mechanics of how this would work? Where would they go?

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 06, 2018 4:20 PM  

From my perspective, California is already in a state of rebellion. They think they can override Federal law - a discussion that we had out between 1861 and 1865. Worse, the Confederates had admitted the states could not override Federal laws without secession, and held legitimate votes to do so. California is trying to have it both ways - to pick and choose which Federal laws to obey, but enjoy all the protections and privileges of U.S. citizenship.

Trump can suppress this rebellion any time he pleases...and probably should.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 06, 2018 4:23 PM  

Frank Burton wrote:VD's proposal, if I am reading correctly, would seem to require that the US deport some 30 million native-born American citizens (in addition to the even larger number of foreign-born immigrants).

Would someone care to explain the mechanics of how this would work? Where would they go?

Again? sigh...
Description is not prescription. They will either leave or conquer. When that choice is stark, the shooting, or the surrender, will start.
How it will work is armed men arriving at your house and giving you 24 hours to get out. They would go where they could. Presumably to live among their own people. But where they go is not really the concern of the armed men. And yes, you wife will have to go.

Anonymous Elder Son January 06, 2018 4:30 PM  

There are not enough all white meat in America, like Canada, that are willing to pull that off. Not going to happen.

After all: The Future Belongs To Those Who Show Up For it. Guess Who Is Going To Show Up For It? The mutts?

Anonymous Anonymous January 06, 2018 4:32 PM  

-- VD's proposal, if I am reading correctly, would seem to require that the US deport some 30 million native-born American citizens (in addition to the even larger number of foreign-born immigrants).

Would someone care to explain the mechanics of how this would work? Where would they go?--

They can go back to Mehico, ese.

- Francis

Blogger James January 06, 2018 4:38 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:
It is not impossible under the Constitution, but it would require an amendment to the Constitution, meaning that California and 36 other states would have to ratify that amendment, in order for California to leave. Any such amendment would also open the door for ANY other state to do likewise! Consider that for a moment...the Old South would create the New Confederacy by next week. Whatever Californians are allowed to do, so can folks in Alabama, and Georgia, and Texas, and the Carolinas, and Tennessee.


Actually, Texas v. White, which is one of the many things the victorious North imposed to provide a fig leaf for their invasion and brutal rule of the South, was decided in 1869. It ruled that

“In accepting original jurisdiction, the court ruled that, legally speaking, Texas had remained a United States state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".

But, the Constitution never forbade secession, a right that was recognized under the Articles of Confederation. It should come under the rubric of the 10th Amendment which states

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

So, this was basically another usurpation by the Federal government, which in 1869 consisted only of Yankee or Yankee sympathizers. Since this has the same validity as assigning the right of murdering their own unborn child to women, if a Constitutional Right is “discovered” by the Federal Court System, it can be reversed by the same logic. A Constitutional Amendment is not required.

As far as California Naval, Air Force and Military bases are concerned, the United States government has no right to claim Guantanamo Bay as sovereign territory. I’m sure the Socialist Republic of Californication would be amenable to leasing these bases for a few billion. Especially since they will no longer be able to survive on what they bilk out of California taxpayers.

Anonymous Jeff January 06, 2018 4:43 PM  

British Columbia has also been lost, but to the Chinese rather than the Mexicans.

Everything west of the Rockies can go.

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2018 4:43 PM  

BBGKB wrote:CA has 1/3 of all US welfare recipients and has fought against regulations limiting welfare payouts from strip clubs and cruise ships.

When money comes in from outside the state, no matter what it is spent on, it is the equivalent of a local industry.Thus for the local politician it is always a good thing, regardless. No wonder they fancy the handout stuff.

Anonymous Jeff January 06, 2018 4:45 PM  

OT: Scott Adam's POTUSVSG (President Of the US Very Stable Genius)=new "God-Emperor"?

I prefer GE VSG

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 06, 2018 4:51 PM  

You cannot invade California like it was foreign power, its mixed politically like most of America and the state while under Democrat control has a HUGE population of actual Americans

There are more White/Right voters in California than the entire population of Kansas by far and probably more than the entire adult population of Missouri!

Last elections there were just under 5 million votes for Trump and Gary Johnson and similar candidates compared to 8 million change for Hillary which means that 2/3's of voters at least are "American enough" !

So its way more complicated than that and any direction "Sherman's March" bullshit would end up a fratricidal slaughter of the people you are trying to help

The way you would do it is to do what the ICE director suggested and charge the legislature with its crimes , conspiracy to commit human trafficking , providing aid to terrorists sedition, rebellion (not treason, we are not at war) whatever and arrest them under the NDAA

Its very very risky though as other states might see this as "me next" and simply rebel and leave the union.

Even if you succeed the US economy collapse over night and dollars basically become worthless or at least worth a lot less. President Trump a business Democrat at heart thus will never do this

What is going to happen in DC will get weaker and weaker and the States stronger. In essence Federalism and in time States will feel emboldened enough to say No!

How fast will depends on how many cucks are out there, cucks will obey orders stronger candidates will not

Now if the economy goes feet up by the 2030's we may see the war everyone Left and Right is starting to think is inevitable by the 2030's its hard to say. President Trump while increasing the stress level also bought the US time .

Anonymous Anonymous January 06, 2018 4:57 PM  

"Oh, and please don’t shoot my black grandson."

Relax, another negro will off him for us.

- Mobutu

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 06, 2018 5:05 PM  

Daniel wrote:>>California should be encouraged to secede,

Let Blue California secede, and Red California (70% of the state) can defend and protect that beautiful state. And when I say Blue California I also mean the central valley agricultural area. They demanded an endless supply of cheap labor, let them live with the consequences when the exploited labor are now their masters.

We can always reconquer the central valley but, of course, the growers who supported the treasonous invasion will lose title to their land by new Red state, yeoman farmer conquerors. That's what happens when you


Give me a break. Yeoman farmers are mostly extinct. All you would be doing is taking lands from typically Republican voting smaller owners and giving it to who. Monsanto? Some revolutionary supporter you think can use it?

It doesn't work that way and Mugabe LARPING is a quick way to a famine.

The thing is the trouble is rural/small town vs city as much as political anyway

Understand that huge amount of wealth are produced in California Hollywood , manufactured goods of every kind , Silicon Valley , food and so on. Most of it, raw food stuffs aside is in cities .

we California does have 1/3 of the nations welfare cases but it also produces huge amounts of the nations wealth. more than the West, Midwest and chunks of the East

What you want is the Left gone and the institutions fixed and this is not something that can be done with air strikes, its actual nation building and its something the US isn't good at and the Rebel Right is constitutionally unsuited to.

The only way that might work would be a state of emergency of some kind with military cooperation, send home the 30 million or so , 50 is better actually over a few years and hold elections well after its done and the border is permanently secure

Say 10-20 year interregnum and restoration of nation than elections again

Good luck getting that though

Blogger DonReynolds January 06, 2018 5:23 PM  

Napoleon 12pdr wrote:From my perspective, California is already in a state of rebellion. They think they can override Federal law - a discussion that we had out between 1861 and 1865. Worse, the Confederates had admitted the states could not override Federal laws without secession, and held legitimate votes to do so. California is trying to have it both ways - to pick and choose which Federal laws to obey, but enjoy all the protections and privileges of U.S. citizenship.

Trump can suppress this rebellion any time he pleases...and probably should.


It was not the Confederate states that tried to nullify Federal law....it was the Yankee states! They did everything they could to nullify the Federal Fugitive Slave Act, actively frustrating Federal authorities and helping escaped slaves to escape enforcement. John Brown and his Abolitionists were not Confederates in the least. The anti-slavery radicals were the ones who opposed Federal law.

Personally, I hope Trump takes a few pages from the Lincoln Playbook on how to suppress open rebellion against Federal authority, which we apparently have in California.

In Maryland, Lincoln tossed the entire state legislature in prison before they could vote on secession.

In Missouri, Lincoln simply recognized a pro-Union group as the new Missouri state government. The historic Missouri government sat out the civil war in exile (Texas). Trump could surprise everyone by recognizing the State of Jefferson as the legitimate state government of all of California.

In West Virginia, Lincoln recognized a pro-Union group as a separate state, now called West Virginia, which was directly prohibited by the Constitution. A new state cannot be created from an existing state without the approval of the state legislature. (The Virginia legislature never approved the creation of West Virginia.)

All of these actions taken by Lincoln were without a vote by the Congress. He felt he had all the authority necessary, so that authority now is in Trump's hands and the precedent is well-established.

Blogger Pseudotsuga January 06, 2018 5:30 PM  

And that leads us to a lovely political cartoon by Michael P. Ramirez, pointing out that with all the problems California already has, it's not much of a sanctuary.
Cartoon here: LINK

Blogger Francis The Pope January 06, 2018 5:30 PM  

If you are pro white then a partition of the USA would be the best possible option, the worst possible option is for the USA stay as one (which is hard to see anyway once whites become less than 30% of the population). The choice is between the relatively violent breakup like the Indian partition or the relatively peaceful breakup of the USSR.

Anonymous BBGKB January 06, 2018 5:32 PM  

Would someone care to explain the mechanics of how this would work? Where would they go?

Same place those who had their citizenship revoked during operation wetback went.

So its way more complicated than that and any direction "Sherman's March" bullshit would end up a fratricidal slaughter of the people you are trying to help

"Pence's March" down Castro street. /jk but you do so for much of Southern CA.

After all: The Future Belongs To Those Who Show Up For it. Guess Who Is Going To Show Up For It? The mutts?

Only 3% of the colonists actually fought the British. If during the recent NE blizzard what would the casualties be if NYC, Philly, Baltimore all lost power & had roads blocked by accidents? Enough would die that it would drastically alter elections if VOTER ID was enforced.

"Oh, and please don’t shoot my black grandson."

He is safe as long as he stays in Barney Frank's basement.

1/3 of the nations welfare cases but it also produces huge amounts of the nations wealth. more than the West, Midwest

That was actual welfare cases not counting Elon Musk being almost as big a welfare queen as Bibi

Blogger Ahärôwn January 06, 2018 5:34 PM  

Jeff wrote:British Columbia has also been lost, but to the Chinese rather than the Mexicans.

Everything west of the Rockies can go.


Vancouver and the Lower Mainland is that way, yes. The rest of the province, no.

Anonymous BBGKB January 06, 2018 5:35 PM  

OT: Michigan, USA: Moslem Waitress Refuses To Seat 27-Person Church Group Because ‘Religious Freedom’
http://www.matyinfo.com/2018/01/06/muslim-waitress-refuses-to-seat-27-person-church-group-because-religious-freedom/

Blogger VFM #7634 January 06, 2018 5:54 PM  

The choice is between the relatively violent breakup like the Indian partition or the relatively peaceful breakup of the USSR.

@Francis the Pope
Actually, it would be far worse than the Indian partition, because at least there, they were already relatively partitioned. In the USA, the different races are spread out and mixed together all over the country... and that's not even getting into the liberal vs. conservative whites, or any number of other factors. It would be a complete clusterf---, not even just like Bosnia, but more like Lebanon.

Anonymous Daniel January 06, 2018 5:56 PM  

@87
>>Give me a break. Yeoman farmers are mostly extinct. All you would be doing is taking lands from typically Republican voting smaller owners and giving it to who.<<

Because they are Republicans I should give a damn about them? Republicans are as radical an anti-Conservative party as the Democrats. In many ways they are worse.

Remember back in the immigration reform/amnesty of 1986, the amnesty that was to pardon lawbreakers but from then on enforce immigration law rigorously? Well the Simpson/Mazzoli law did initially have some strong and deep teeth, but after Pete Wilson and the California growers got through with it, a law that was supposed to amnesty 300,000 instead amnestied over 3,000,000 - due to the incredibly lax standards of evidence that an applicant had to demonstrate to qualify for the amnesty, all this at the behest of the Republicans - , with millions more in chain migration waiting in line. And the law that Pete Wilson and the Republicans had their way with made subsequent enforcement a joke, the world spread far and wide throughout the world. And H1B abuse? Republicans were/are as much to blame for this as any Democrat in the House or Senate.

If the Republican party goes extinct in California, in the USA for that matter, I won't shed one tear. In fact it would be a good thing.

Republicans can go to hell.

Blogger dienw January 06, 2018 5:59 PM  

@ 82 James

History is a harsh mistress.
Story additionally concluded, as did Chase in 1869, that the term “perpetual” found in the Articles of Confederation, deemed the Union indissoluble. Chase surmised that the Constitution simply made the Union “more perfect” while Story suggested that the Constitution superseded the Articles of Confederation but did not change the permanent and “perpetual” nature of the Union. Story defended his position with the “Supremacy Clause” found in Article VI, which states that all laws or treaties made “in pursuance of the Constitution” were the “supreme law of the land,” and he pointed to the letter sent by the Philadelphia Convention accompanying the Constitution to the state ratifying conventions that the Constitution aimed at a “consolidation of the Union.” Hence, to Story and Chase, the Union continued to exist in an altered—i.e. consolidated—form and could not be dissolved.

And for the "Oh, Sweet Liberty! how free the CSA was!" crowd; you did not have the right to secede in the Confederate Constitution either:
Was reading a new book, Dixie Betrayed: How The South Really Lost The Civil War, by David J. Eicher, when I came across the following in Chapter 11, Jockying For Position, pages 158-159:

"Meanwhile, an even greater shocker rose to the floor of the Senate. On February 5 [1863], the Senate heard a proposed amendment to the Confederate Constitution that would allow an aggrieved state to secede from the Confederacy. "It shall do so in peace," read the proposal, "but shall be entitled to its pro rata share of property and be liable for its pro rata share of public debt to be determined by negotiation." The idea was referred to the Judicial Committee. Two days later senators failed to recommend the amendment, and the whole thing was dropped as a dangerous idea."

The source given for the above was listed in the book "As quoted in Southern Historical Society Papers, 48: 60, 80."

Anonymous Dave January 06, 2018 6:19 PM  

Calexit is a great idea. We can use independent California as a place to dump all our unwanted diversity (not a casus belli because California loves people who cross borders illegally), while also gouging them for the water and electricity that environmentalists won't let them produce in-state.

Blogger Skyler the Weird January 06, 2018 6:36 PM  

Immigration is Colonization.

Blogger James January 06, 2018 6:39 PM  

dienw wrote:@ 82 James

History is a harsh mistress.



History is a harsh mistress but primarily because might makes right and the winner writes the history. Perhaps you could enlighten us about the following statement:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

I guess you object to the colonies "secession" from Great Britain? As many people have pointed out in the past, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. What the rulers of the United States are doing now is treasonous to the Posterity and have demonstrated a desire to exterminate us, either directly or through immigration and miscegenation. People like you want what little change done to occur within the electoral framework. But, when non-citizens are imported and immediately given rights and property that allows them to eventually achieve demographic superiority, our ability to evince change declines by the decade. How did your heroes benefit this nation by making negroes citizens? Anyone that is a student of history knows that the electoral process now is utterly compromised. When the foxes guard the hen house, you have two choices. Severing the contract that binds you to a tyrannical parasite via secession, or instigating an armed revolt. Which would be more beneficial to all those that have to live through the process?

I understand how those that have a vested interest in making excuses for the War of Northern Aggression tend to get their panties in a wad when the 10th Amendment is actually quoted as the Founders intended, but I'd like you to try and be honest: Is there any other reason the North had for maintaining the Union besides their economic interest? If not, was that justification for the death of over 600,000 Whites? And how do you justify making negroes citizens? I'm sure that I can state that those people have been a massive net negative due to their presence in the body politic and in their entire history in this country.

Blogger DonReynolds January 06, 2018 6:55 PM  

@96 dienw
It is a legitimate question whether the Constitution was a new government or a continuation of the old government, under the Articles of Confederation.

The answer seems to lie in the fact that legislation passed under the Articles of Confederation was considered valid, continued in force, and did not require re-vote or affirmation after the Constitution took effect. The best example of this was the Northwest Ordinance, which was passed under the Articles.

WE can also know that anything..... ANYTHING that was deliberately changed by the Constitution was not a careless omission. This includes the removal of the perpetual nature of the union, as provided in the Articles. Why was it removed from the Constitution? Men at the time said it was removed because the Constitution would not be ratified by the New England states if the perpetual union language was retained. It was the New England states that continued to entertain the idea of secession for fifty years after the new Constitution was adopted. That is probably where the Southern states got the idea to begin with.

Blogger Akulkis January 06, 2018 7:02 PM  

Most of the women in California are too diseased, so we should just leave out the raping.

Anonymous Jack Amok January 06, 2018 7:37 PM  

Would someone care to explain the mechanics of how this would work? Where would they go?

The guy who doesn't know much about history self-identifies.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 06, 2018 8:04 PM  

Frank Burton wrote:Would someone care to explain the mechanics of how this would work?
They get on buses, trains and airplanes with one-way tickets.  Cattle trucks if we're fed up and feeling mean.

Where would they go?
We don't care.  Not our problem unless they make it our problem, and compost heaps are a solution.

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2018 8:34 PM  

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,...

When the Constitution was written the Europeans had a class system that treated different groups differently. No equality before the law. Undoing that was the apparent intent of the above statement. Equality before the law.

Is there any other reason the North had for maintaining the Union besides their economic interest?

There was an anti slave sentiment in the north, but as things played out I doubt it had much to do with it. Going by what he did, it appears that Lincoln thought he had an easy victory, and thus no reluctance going to war. Plus the Republicans at the time were the big business party, Lincoln was from rural origins, but also a long term party guy. His awe shucks country stuff was fake. and he got a lot of money working for the Railroad interests. It looks like it was a financial thing. It was only after the fact that slavery was stressed as the reason for the war. Preserve the union was Lincoln's big cause.

It is a legitimate question whether the Constitution was a new government or a continuation of the old government,

I don't know about now, but historically the British took our revolution as a rebellion, not a revolution. Mainly because things didn't change that much. The only common change of any importance was the king appointed governor replaced by an elected governor.

Blogger Akulkis January 06, 2018 9:07 PM  

Using Elian Gonzalez as precedent for both Immigration and Border Patrol to use KGB-style arrest and deportation will make the tears of the REgressives just that much more delicious.

Anonymous Pitcrew January 06, 2018 9:09 PM  

@65
There were large Roman Legionary bases in Wales. The II Augusta in particular. That's why so many Welsh have that "Italian" look. Its the Roman genes. In fact Richard III of England was a likely descendant of Thomas Holland, 1st Earl of Kent. The Holland family originated from a nearby legion base and the Holland family has a Y-chromosome most common in Italy. It was likely brought to Britain by the Legions.

Blogger Akulkis January 06, 2018 9:10 PM  

Obviously by raping and pillaging, and then taping again, for good measure, the Mexican department of state, so that they never, ever, EVER print another guidebook for Mexicans who want to sneak into the U.S.

AND steal every ounce of gold in the Mexican treasury, as reparations.

Blogger dienw January 06, 2018 9:18 PM  

Don Reynolds

The sovereign citizen movement bases part of its authority on the fact that there are court cases wherein the articles of confederation are regarded as having maintained their authority. It has been several years since I read about this.

Here is one argument that at least two items were maintained: the Name of the country and that this is a perpetual Union. There is a reference to Organic Law

Blogger James Dixon January 06, 2018 9:22 PM  

> Spanish please, not Mexican.

Yes. California was settled by the Spanish, not Mexicans.

> I'm wondering if it's our Pride that is the problem...

Most likely, yes.

> Let Cali secede. Declare a state of rebellion, and mobilize.

Their declaration of sanctuary state status is already and act of rebellion. You don't have to wait for them to secede.

> I'm willing to forgo that precedent just to get California out of the US.

Yes, plus it officially sets the precedent that states can leave the union. NY can follow them if they want.

> ...but it would require an amendment to the Constitution,

Nonsense. It's covered by the 10th amendment.

> Any such amendment would also open the door for ANY other state to do likewise! Consider that for a moment...the Old South would create the New Confederacy by next week.

Eh, could be. :) I never said I didn't have an ulterior motive.

> Where would they go?

The closest border is only six feet away. Yes, I know how that sounds, but it's what's coming. Peaceful breakup or war. Take your pick.

Anonymous Magna Carta January 06, 2018 9:46 PM  

"Things have to get worse, to get better." John The Apostle
"You're not ready to have something, until you're ready not to have it." Jesus Christ

Blogger DonReynolds January 06, 2018 9:49 PM  

@109 James Dixon
"Peaceful breakup or war. Take your pick."

Perhaps you would agree....

Breakup before the war or breakup after the war....either way, we get the breakup and (very likely) the war too. It is just a question about which is first and what follows.

I used to believe it was possible to reason with people, even if they did not like each other. Truth and reason were irresistible. But I must admit to defeat. Reason does not always work, especially with people who refuse to accept the truth or have invented their own version of that truth. That is why it is pointless to discuss these things with the Leftists.

Anonymous Anonymous January 06, 2018 9:56 PM  

You must own plenty of stock in companies like Olin and Beretta...

- Enzo

Anonymous Tipsy January 06, 2018 9:58 PM  

Can someone comment on the treaty of Hidalgo, which concluded the Mexican-American war? From what I understand Mexico does not cede any territory, rather, it only states where the border between Mexico and the United States is. If California is independent, wouldn't Mexico try to lay claim to it?

Blogger Wynn Lloyd January 06, 2018 10:03 PM  

Israel is the most admirable nation right now? It's definitely possible. Poland, Hungary, Japan, etc. have maintained their integrity, but Israel is actually expelling invaders. That's an impressive feat at this point.

Anonymous Elder Son January 06, 2018 10:19 PM  

You can read it yourself here:

Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo; February 2, 1848

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/guadhida.asp

Blogger Lazarus January 06, 2018 10:20 PM  

Wynn Lloyd wrote:but Israel is actually expelling invaders. That's an impressive feat at this point. Truly a light unto the world.

Anonymous Glenn Beck’s Magic Underwear January 06, 2018 10:27 PM  

Surely the SJWs will be convinced by Muh Constitution arguments.

Blogger Johnny January 06, 2018 10:31 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:Reason does not always work,

My take on humans is that logic is the means, but the true underlying goals are emotions. Because we prefer to operate under the illusion of logic, often we invent logical reasons to justify our underlying emotional goals. The solution in this common situation is to figure out what the real underlying goal is and appeal to that.

With regard to the issue under discussion here, perhaps it is useful to have some logical solution in mind, but it is unlikely to get implemented, if it is, by an appeal to logic. That is, unless the logic is bogus and appeals to some underlying emotion.

Anonymous Elder Son January 06, 2018 10:44 PM  

No one is convinced by Muh Constitution arguments anymore. Obviously, as there are no trees being fed. You know, the whole what you have, if you can keep it, and how to keep it gamut.

Blogger Thucydides January 06, 2018 11:10 PM  

@63
You are entirely correct. The situation will become messy once the infrastructure fails (or is cut) and the various identity groups the Democrats have been cultivating turn on each other to secure the resources. The armed groups like Antifa, BLM, Islamic radicals and Hispanic gangs may have been created for use as Democrat Party shock troops, but their loyalties will not be to the Party, and the gated communities will be looted and burned first. Unarmed identity groups like the gays and feminists will regret having thrown their lot in with the Democrats, the easy will be used as slave labour or cannon fodder by the others (unless the Islamists get them) while the feminists will be reduced to sex slaves.

The actions of foreign nations trying to deliver aid or weapons to the California rebels may be matched by people in the "Blue" cities, unless they believe that they can now seize power in their locations, or the actions of the American troops and militias in California convince them they should keep their heads down.

The aftermath will be interesting in the Chinese sense, once the rebellion is crushed, Americans will look around and demand an accounting from the people who supported, aided or abetted the rebels.

Blogger pyrrhus January 06, 2018 11:42 PM  

Heck, let them secede. Then cut off the Colorado River water, which would be child's play, and blow a few decrepit dams in Northern California...Then wait for them to come begging...

Anonymous simplytimothy January 06, 2018 11:44 PM  

Notice that the comment section is focused on wargaming the scenarios; In AC's r/K model, K approaches even here, or , if you prefer, "The Overton Window" has shifted.

Since wargaming ( correct term?) the reclamation of America from sea to shining sea is now normal, I suggest we step back and observe what Thomas Wictor has brough to light.

If Wictor is correct, then right now, the ME is a real-time lesson for the subjugation of and expulsion and killing of the domestic enemies and invaders in CA.

First, take a look a this pic->


https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/calm-before-the-storm.jpg


Here is what I see;
I see us.
There is no diversity.
There is no multi-culturalism
I see Americans
I see Men.
I see White men.
I see us kicking ass.


This is who we are. Lets learn from these guys and apply the lessons and do the groundwork for winning this war.

I am not a military guy. But, if I was setting about educating myself on winning his thing, I would find he framework that those chaps use and start filling in the details.

Assume you are in that room with those men. What intellectual tools do they have? how do they think? what does their "todo list" look like?

Then we do those things.

Blogger pyrrhus January 06, 2018 11:50 PM  

The only problem with my plan of shutting off the water (and electricity if needed) is that a lot of California's diversity might start fleeing the State. That needs to be stopped at the border, don't want any of them in AZ.

Anonymous Magna Carta January 07, 2018 12:23 AM  

"No one is convinced by Muh Constitution arguments anymore."
Tell a conservative if they support the constitution, then they support the right to gay marriage. Watch them bluster.

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 07, 2018 12:25 AM  

James Dixon wrote:Let Cali secede. Declare a state of rebellion, and mobilize.

Their declaration of sanctuary state status is already and act of rebellion. You don't have to wait for them to secede.


Alas this is not that easy The law is phrased in such a way that State officers are forbidden from aiding the Feds however they are not actively hindering them which would be rebellion

Ironically the 10th amendment protects the States here, they are not obligated to act on behalf of the Federal government and cannot be lawfully made to do so.

That said and IANAL and could be wrong you'd be better off trying conspiracy charges, basically the legal claim is that officials are conspiring to import illegals , you could also try conspiracy to aid terrorism which literally requires only a single terrorist to cross the border because of state actions

Neither of these are likely to happen though and would provoke real problems that Congress doesn't want to deal with.

Also the various genocidal loons that want to turn off the water to the State or reenact Sherman's March can take the rhetoric and just fuck off, millions of decent Americans live in California , me included , there are given voting habits , there are probably 15 million Conservative American people here, White and others

They will fight and baring a military involvement have numbers and weapons enough to make life hell. None of us want to be ruled by Leftists from Sacramento but we don't want our state used to satisfy Neo Yankee blood-lust or Manifest Destiny 2.0 either

We might ask for help and earn it of a race war breaks out or something, some of us may live elsewhere eventually but if California succeeds which is damned unlikely , we'll figure it out than, probably just split the State up and we can either join you or whatever nation comes after

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 07, 2018 12:44 AM  

Elder Son wrote:No one is convinced by Muh Constitution arguments anymore. Obviously, as there are no trees being fed. You know, the whole what you have, if you can keep it, and how to keep it gamut.

I've been double tapping on posts but this is a good point. Until someone can convince people they have something better, nothing can happen.

Convince people what you have is better and you can win.

Thus far, its happening by drips and drabs but this is something that requires patience and time. No idea if the US has enough but we shall see.

also re: the costs of such a war

http://www.netstate.com/economy/ca_economy.htm

most people have no idea how big and diverse the economy is here, its the 10th largest on Planet Earth and we produce vast quantities of everything

California is the second ranked producer of livestock products behind Texas.

California grows over 200 different crops, some grown nowhere else in the nation. Crops include grapes, almonds, strawberries, oranges and walnuts.

California ranks first among the states in manufacturing.

California is also among the country's leading mining states with producing a greater variety of mined products than any other state.

Oil is the number one product.

California mines all of the boron that is produced in the United States.

It's the leading producer of diatomite, sand and gravel, sodium compounds, and tungsten and among the top producers of gold, gypsum, magnesium compounds, molybdenum, perlite, potash, and pumice.

It's the leading producer of diatomite, sand and gravel, sodium compounds, and tungsten and among the top producers of gold, gypsum, magnesium compounds, molybdenum, perlite, potash, and pumice.


California's commercial fishing operations rank the top spot among the states.

We also have 132,000 active duty and millions of Vets. The South and Texas has outsized numbers but this state isn't shabby

We aren't as wealthy as we could be because we are run by idiots but this isn't Alabama here, its a populous wealthy nation and i can promise unless the military Juntas that can take care of itself

It needs huge work and to break the Democratic stranglehold on its governance but it doesn't need help from outside or Southron carpet baggers, frankly it feels good to say but its stupid.

The US right now can't invade California

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 07, 2018 12:58 AM  

Very accurate, Johnny.

To be more precise, logic neither does nor can provide any impetus/motivation in and of itself. Emotion/desire motivate the human being, logic is just a relatively effective vehicle for attempted conveyance to goals which pre-exist its implementation.

Yes, the great split is going to happen any which way, things like how hot/border locations/fatality tolls are just variables.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine January 07, 2018 1:06 AM  

"The US right now can't invade California"

On the contrary, it most certainly could.

Will it? Extraordinarily unlikely in my estimation.

Vigilante elements on the other hand, could probably screw the state over royally with relative ease, but will they?

Blogger Baxter Stockman January 07, 2018 1:51 AM  

By 2033 the left will have achieved a permanent majority faction.

By 2043 whites will be a minority.

If California secedes the rural counties will chimp out and all of coastal CA's water and food is imported from those places. I don't see that working out well for them.

That being said I think it's actually coming sooner. The left just wasn't as motivated voting for an old white lady and sadly Trump will probably be the last nationalist president. As soon as the left achieves a majority faction the U.S will break up just like before the Civil War.

Anonymous map January 07, 2018 2:39 AM  

AB.Prosper wrote:Elder Son wrote:No one is convinced by Muh Constitution arguments anymore. Obviously, as there are no trees being fed. You know, the whole what you have, if you can keep it, and how to keep it gamut.

I've been double tapping on posts but this is a good point. Until someone can convince people they have something better, nothing can happen.

Convince people what you have is better and you can win.

Thus far, its happening by drips and drabs but this is something that requires patience and time. No idea if the US has enough but we shall see.

also re: the costs of such a war

http://www.netstate.com/economy/ca_economy.htm

most people have no idea how big and diverse the economy is here, its the 10th largest on Planet Earth and we produce vast quantities of everything

California is the second ranked producer of livestock products behind Texas.

California grows over 200 different crops, some grown nowhere else in the nation. Crops include grapes, almonds, strawberries, oranges and walnuts.

California ranks first among the states in manufacturing.

California is also among the country's leading mining states with producing a greater variety of mined products than any other state.

Oil is the number one product.

California mines all of the boron that is produced in the United States.

It's the leading producer of diatomite, sand and gravel, sodium compounds, and tungsten and among the top producers of gold, gypsum, magnesium compounds, molybdenum, perlite, potash, and pumice.

It's the leading producer of diatomite, sand and gravel, sodium compounds, and tungsten and among the top producers of gold, gypsum, magnesium compounds, molybdenum, perlite, potash, and pumice.

California's commercial fishing operations rank the top spot among the states.

We also have 132,000 active duty and millions of Vets. The South and Texas has outsized numbers but this state isn't shabby

We aren't as wealthy as we could be because we are run by idiots but this isn't Alabama here, its a populous wealthy nation and i can promise unless the military Juntas that can take care of itself

It needs huge work and to break the Democratic stranglehold on its governance but it doesn't need help from outside or Southron carpet baggers, frankly it feels good to say but its stupid.

The US right now can't invade California


If California is truly that Conservative, then its con minority should welcome a forced removal of its rebellious government.

If not, then all you are doing is adding to the electoral votes of those same Democratic leaders.

Look, California is not a self-sustaining nation. It imports water and electricity, without which none of its agricultural and manufacturing businesses are viable. The Silicon Valley and Hollywood industries all depend on intellectual property rights that are impossible to defend absent the economic, political and military power of the United States. No one would take California greenbacks unless they were backed by gold and most of the states GDP would probably go to desalinating water.

Oh...the boron and other mining products will be there even after the Democrats are gone. So will the agro, once the water is turned back on. Why is this a brag? Nobody outside of California knows how to farm or mine?

It is simply the height of arrogance to fall for this myth of the "7th largest world economy" and think that you have the ability to go it alone. You don't. California does even have the proper nationalism. Pretty much everyone is from somewhere else.

Now, Texas and the old confederacy can secede and create their own nation. Not so much California.

Anonymous GodEmperorMemes January 07, 2018 3:33 AM  

As much as I like the idea of California seceding, the reality is that they'd be broke and out of water within three months, then the UN would demand that the United States take in millions of Californian refugees.

Anonymous Frank Burton January 07, 2018 6:17 AM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Again? sigh...

Description is not prescription. They will either leave or conquer. When that choice is stark, the shooting, or the surrender, will start.

How it will work is armed men arriving at your house and giving you 24 hours to get out. They would go where they could. Presumably to live among their own people. But where they go is not really the concern of the armed men. And yes, you wife will have to go


Snidely Whiplash,

Thanks for your reply, and pardon me if this specific issue has been addressed before.

What I still fail to understand is how anyone would think that the forced departure of 30 million native-born citizens is even a possibility -- regardless of whether it "ought" to happen -- in any scenario where the Union still exists.

VD seems to be arguing above that if President Trump does not order 70-80 million people, including 30 million native-born citizens, to leave the country, then there will likely be civil war and partition. Since Trump will (very obviously) do no such thing, VD's implication seems to be that... there will likely be civil war and partition. Do I have that right?

The scenario you are describing would only happen, presumably, if the US had already entered a state of civil war. Do you think civil war is inevitable?

Finally, I am not married, though it's interesting that you would assume this is personal for me.

Anonymous Laz January 07, 2018 7:58 AM  

"Also the various genocidal loons that want to turn off the water to the State or reenact Sherman's March can take the rhetoric and just fuck off, millions of decent Americans live in California , me included , there are given voting habits , there are probably 15 million Conservative American people here, White and others"

Yet only 4 million voted for Trump. That would make you guys the talented tenth of California (i.e. not worth it).

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 07, 2018 8:20 AM  

Frank Burton wrote:What I still fail to understand is how anyone would think that the forced departure of 30 million native-born citizens is even a possibility
How many native-born Serbian Kosovars are left there now?

Your mistake is thinking that paperwork confers nationality.  A birth certificate or naturalization does not change what someone is.  The Chinese children of birth tourists are Chinese, not American, and we will retroactively revoke their illegitimate US citizenship in due course.  The same is true of Mexicans and the rest.

Since Trump will (very obviously) do no such thing
This is much bigger than Trump.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 07, 2018 9:04 AM  

Looking forward to the growth of tax havens in Nevada ...

Blogger bosscauser January 07, 2018 9:06 AM  

Congress could let them go. And 70% of California is Federal land!

Anonymous Frank Burton January 07, 2018 10:00 AM  

Mr. Rational wrote:Your mistake is thinking that paperwork confers nationality. 

Mr. Rational,

I am familiar with the alt-right position on that issue and am not attempting to argue the point. What I am trying to understand is how the physical removal of 30 million native-born citizens is regarded by anyone as a remotely serious possibility.

First, revoking their citizenship seems likely to trigger an instant civil war on an enormous scale. If the aim is to maintain the Union and some semblance of national stability, it is hard to imagine a more counterproductive action than stripping 9% of the US population of its citizenship.

Second, what happens next? Using your Mexican example, there are 22.3 million US-born "Hispanics of Mexican origin" (as of 2013). I assume that Mexico, which has a total foreign-born population of 1 million, will not necessarily be willing to take in those 22.3 million US-born people being shoveled at them. If so, what then? Should we force Mexico to take them at gunpoint? That would mean war. Should they be put in camps? Killed?

Suppose we can find another country/countries willing to house those people, or a desert island onto which they can be resettled. That is still a fraction of the total number of people to be removed from the country, which I understand to be 70-80 million. Will new homes be found for this nearly Germany-sized group of people, or will they simply be frog-marched to the Canadian and Mexican borders and pushed out? I am not being facetious or trolling, I am seriously asking how this is expected to play out, in concrete terms.

Now, if partition is assumed and "deportation" means being sent to California, that is an argument I can understand.

Mr. Rational wrote:This is much bigger than Trump.

It is, but I was responding specifically to VD's comment that "If the God-Emperor is going to save the Union and Make America Great Again, he is going to have to order the same for all post-1965 immigrants and their posterity."

Blogger James Dixon January 07, 2018 10:14 AM  

> Perhaps you would agree.... Breakup before the war or breakup after the war

War is the most likely outcome in either case, yes. We can hope though.

> The law is phrased in such a way that State officers are forbidden from aiding the Feds however they are not actively hindering them which would be rebellion

Their actions on the ground say otherwise. They have taken steps to deliberately hinder federal agents.

> millions of decent Americans live in California , me included

Not for long, if event continue to proceed apace. Though there were decent Americans in the south too, I must note.

> None of us want to be ruled by Leftists from Sacramento but we don't want our state used to satisfy Neo Yankee blood-lust or Manifest Destiny 2.0 either

It's a shame historical events don't care what we want, isn't it?

> No idea if the US has enough but we shall see.

The odds are strongly against it. But then, they were against Trump too. The hand of God is at work. Pray and prepare.

> By 2033 the left will have achieved a permanent majority faction.

War will come first. At that point all projections are off the table.

> What I still fail to understand is how anyone would think that the forced departure of 30 million native-born citizens is even a possibility

They don't have to leave. As I said, the nearest border is six feet away.

> in any scenario where the Union still exists.

The current actions of California relatively conclusively demonstrate that the Union doesn't still exist.

> Do you think civil war is inevitable?

The odds at this point in time are probably on the order of 90%. The event of today strong echo those of the 1850's.

Blogger James Dixon January 07, 2018 10:23 AM  

> What I am trying to understand is how the physical removal of 30 million native-born citizens is regarded by anyone as a remotely serious possibility.

Sigh. In the 1860's and a population of around 30 million, something like 600 thousand people died. On the order of 2% of the population. Without nukes and modern weaponry, and with one side fighting a primarily defensive war. We now have 300 million. An equivalent death toll today will be 6 million. It will almost certainly be a order of magnitude higher.

> If the aim is to maintain the Union and some semblance of national stability,

What makes you think anyone cares about the Union?

> I am not being facetious or trolling, I am seriously asking how this is expected to play out, in concrete terms.

When it reaches that point, they will leave voluntarily, to destinations of their own choosing, or they will die.

> Now, if partition is assumed and "deportation" means being sent to California, that is an argument I can understand.

A breakup of the current US along racial lines is the most likely outcome.

Anonymous Captain America January 07, 2018 11:02 AM  

"Here is what I see; I see us. There is no diversity. There is no multi-culturalism. I see Americans. I see Men. I see White men.
I see us kicking ass."

What you see, simply timothy, is the American military, who defends the Constitution. And all one has to do is to directly show the brass that "specific Europeans, most notably the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals." Immediately, there will be a call to arms, and you and your petty little "army" will be ripped to shreds.

"This is who we are. Lets learn from these guys and apply the lessons and do the groundwork for winning this war."

If there is a supposed invasion, and the enemy is within the gates, why on earth would you wait? Pull a St. Brievik. Be lionized by future generations. Because, after all, you deserve to lose it, because you refused to defend it...now.

"I am familiar with the alt-right position on that issue and am not attempting to argue the point. What I am trying to understand is how the physical removal of 30 million native-born citizens is regarded by anyone as a remotely serious possibility.

Well, Frank Burton, the Alt Right hasn't gotten around to the logistics. Their brain trust is working on that very topic as we speak. I'm sure by 2033 there will have an answer for you.

Regardless, there is not going to be a bloody civil war, and there is not going to be partitioning by that time. Way too many "cucks" and "normies" believe in the proposition nation.

Besides, let's revisit two devastating takedowns.

From Buybuydandavis ==>

In the Constitution, rights are guaranteed to citizens, not posterity.

All the hullabaloo over the meaning of posterity has almost no legal significance.

Were they colonial descendancy nationalists? British ethno nationalists? British colonial descendancy ethno nationalists? Or were they proposition nation nationalists? There were likely some of each.

Doesn't matter to the Constitutional issues. They ratified a constitution that instituted a government where citizens had rights, and immigrants could become citizens.

The most reasonable legal interpretation is that they purposefully left the details of immigration preferences to legislation. They did not enshrine any particular ethno or descendancy requirements for citizenship into the constitution.

Anonymous Captain America January 07, 2018 11:03 AM  

And, from the venerable Tom Kratman ==>

Sorry, Vox, but from every position except 20:20 hindsight, John's right. You can argue that the Constitution was grievously deficient in not limiting itself to the descendants of British rebels, but to attribute to the founders, or to states which ratified it, or to the people of the states, themselves, opinions, limitations, and qualification that are simply not in evidence is, itself, an effective dangling of penumbras to a degree a lefty could only stand back and admire.

Note that the founders didn't ratify it, they only argued it and wrote it. Thus, what they meant is important but of no particular precedence over what the states and people did and were. About a third of them, exclusive of blacks - I think we have no argument there that the founders intended equal rights for them - were not English. About half of those were non-British (that read expansively, to include the bloody Harps). If they'd intended to disenfranchise, exclude, or disadvantage such large numbers, one would have expected them to at least have made mention of it, to say nothing of mobilizing for the predictable war.

Even accepting that "Our posterity," means the descendants of the then citizens only, given the numbers of non-Brits in the United States at the time, it simply cannot be Brit only. And, yes, there are non-British names among the ratifiers in the states.

Even if you wish to limit it to the constitutional convention, who were Washington's descendants, his posterity? He had none, by blood, and I don't recall that he adopted Martha's children from her previous marriage either.

And there are the Federalist papers, which, together with the Declaration, the events leading up to the war, the war, itself, and the failure of the Confederation, are our legislative history. In none of the seven uses of the word, therein, is posterity used in any obviously restrictive fashion.

And then, as John mentioned, there is the naturalization clause, which certainly had no ethnocentric provision to it. About the only such provision you can find is the slave trade clause, and that was fairly obviously not aimed at Swedes.

Argue that it was a mistake and needs to be amended to restrict citizenship to the 100% pure descendants of British colonial rebels - should there be any, a matter for some doubt - if you wish, if, indeed, you think so, but your case for it, back then, is quite poor.

Anonymous Mr. Rational January 07, 2018 11:10 AM  

Frank Burton wrote:revoking their citizenship seems likely to trigger an instant civil war on an enormous scale.
Good.  Sooner is better, because they're still flowing in right now and we want them flowing out.

I assume that Mexico, which has a total foreign-born population of 1 million, will not necessarily be willing to take in those 22.3 million US-born people being shoveled at them.
Mexico shoveled them at us and wants them all to remember their heritage.  Mexico has already voted and doesn't get to take it back.  We can lead with the US army clearing an area of resistance and then just march them across.  Once in, they're Mexico's problem.

That would mean war.
We are already at war.  Invasion is war.

Should they be put in camps? Killed?
Once they're across the border, that's Mexico's decision.

Will new homes be found for this nearly Germany-sized group of people, or will they simply be frog-marched to the Canadian and Mexican borders and pushed out?
It's considerably more than Germany-sized, and I expect that old container ships converted to prison ships will be used to remove many to other continents.  Figuring that 1 TEU of space is sufficient to house and feed 1 person for the voyage, an old Panamax ship would be able to carry around 13,000 per trip.  Africans dropped off the African coast in rubber boats become Africa's problem whether they want it or not.  We can do the same with Mexicans, Hondurans, etc.

James Dixon wrote:We now have 300 million. An equivalent death toll today will be 6 million. It will almost certainly be a order of magnitude higher.
Since one major fault line today is with Blacks, I expect that the cataclysm will leave few or no Africans-in-America.  That's 37 million right there.  40 converted container ships moving a collective 520,000 per round trip every 3 weeks would do it in about 4 years.  For those who refuse or resist, see "nearest border".

(Since "nearest border" is by far the quickest, easiest and cheapest, I expect that to be the option of choice.  America is fed up and the Saxon is beginning to hate.  Gonna be busy tree chippers and lotsa compost because people aren't going to be willing to wait or pay for anything else.  Those who get out will be those who go early.)

Blogger James Dixon January 07, 2018 12:01 PM  

> I'm sure by 2033 there will have an answer for you.

As I noted above, it's a shame historical events don't care what we think. There will be an answer by 2033 (or thereabouts). It's exact nature is yet to be determined, but there will be one. Also, historical events don't care what the Constitution says either.

Anonymous Frank Burton January 07, 2018 12:57 PM  

James Dixon, Mr. Rational,

I see - thanks for your thoughts.

That was edifying.

Blogger DonReynolds January 07, 2018 2:00 PM  

The question mark that remains is the nature of the breakup.

One outcome could simply be the end of Federalism in the USA, with regions of states becoming autonomous (self-governing) republics under the American umbrella. This would be more a return to the original understanding of this country, with the Feds retaining overall responsibility for national defense, trade relations, coin money, lighthouses, post offices/post roads and the like. (The complete list is still in the Constitution, though ignored these days.) The Supreme Court would still exist to adjudicate disputes between states, as was originally intended, and would no longer be asked to decide gay marriage or toilet assignment or police conduct. Street crime and playground bullies would no longer be a Federal matter. Most of us here could probably take a map of the states and guess pretty accurately the boundaries of the future autonomous republics. What would be dissolved is the notion of the Federal government as the Central Government.

Another possibility would be more like the breakup of the Soviet Union where the Federal government simply ceases to exist altogether. We still get the same autonomous regional republics, but without the American umbrella because there is no Federal government at all. In the best possible outcome, each regional republic would maintain relatively peaceful relations with their neighbors, continue to trade, and conduct their own foreign policy. Under the best of conditions, these separate republics would more or less cooperate to create their own NATO organization for common defense and a Common Market for trade.

History is never so orderly. There will be unhappy people and old scores to settle but in the end, Americans will likely come to rest with one outcome or the other.

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 07, 2018 2:23 PM  

Laz wrote:"Also the various genocidal loons that want to turn off the water to the State or reenact Sherman's March can take the rhetoric and just fuck off, millions of decent Americans live in California , me included , there are given voting habits , there are probably 15 million Conservative American people here, White and others"

Yet only 4 million voted for Trump. That would make you guys the talented tenth of California (i.e. not worth it).
\

Hillary only got 8.7 million change vs 4.4 and change . Its nowhere near what you think, roughly 2-1

Now the current population of the state is just under 40 million call it 39 million for easy math

Assuming the ratios hold 26 million "Left" 13 Right

That is not "a talented tenth"
In any case the way the electoral college works in California, Hillary would have carried the State had she won by a single vote in a closely monitored fraud free elections Like many other states its winner take all. This would have occurred back probabl back when Bob Dornan was typical of Orange County not Loretta Sanchez .

After all California's so called "Conservative" governor Ronald Reagan made divorce no fault

Now as far as it goes, what folks here don't understand is that while many Californians do not want to be run by Sacramento they don't want to be run by you either. Most of the ones that did already moved if they could.

I'm considering it.

Some do want to be part of the regular USA also which is why we have succession movements , the best known being State of Jefferson.

As for water and electricity, you are getting the benefits of that hoss . This state makes the goods you use, the minerals you use and puts lots of food on your table. Its not one way, you get far more than you give.

As far as DIY, Texas maybe but like many states they've got your own illegal immigrant problems and as for other states, if they went big into .ag they'd be importing people left and right and the same concerns will never let you send them back.

And notice President Trump's concerns are cheap labor addicted too full of granted legal immigrant workers to save a few bucks.

Until this country kicks its addiction to cheaper labor or a civil war breaks out mass deportation ain't gonna happen as much as you and I want it.

We almost certainly will get a wall and with luck get drips and drabs, a few here, a few there sent back. That will suffice for now.

Blogger James Dixon January 07, 2018 3:17 PM  

> The question mark that remains is the nature of the breakup.

And whether it will be peaceful or violent. The historical odds lean strongly toward violent.

> Now as far as it goes, what folks here don't understand is that while many Californians do not want to be run by Sacramento they don't want to be run by you either.

What makes you think we don't understand? What you don't understand is that we don't care. Oh, and neither does Sacramento, which is running things, whether you like it or not.

> This state makes the goods you use, the minerals you use and puts lots of food on your table. Its not one way, you get far more than you give.

There is not a single thing that California provides that I can't either do without or find alternatives for. Well, except for Democratic voters. Those they seem to have more of than anyone else.

> if they went big into .ag

"In 2016, the top 10 agricultural producing States in terms of cash receipts were (in descending order): California, Iowa, Nebraska, Texas, Minnesota, Illinois, Kansas, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and Indiana."

Looks like they're fairly big already. And they seem to do so without taking all their water from other states.

> Until this country kicks its addiction to cheaper labor or a civil war breaks out mass deportation ain't gonna happen as much as you and I want it.

Until. Strange how that works. Until always seems to arrive sooner or later.

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 07, 2018 3:27 PM  

James Dixon wrote:Until. Strange how that works. Until always seems to arrive sooner or later.

Ain't no argument here. When "Until" comes is another matter and if its you or them getting the shove is up for grabs.

On top of that, its going to be violent no matter what.

To abuse game theory for a second, when it comes to cheap labor, American's always defect and as such , flee, obey or die is the watchword, God or Gods help us all.

Anonymous Laz January 07, 2018 3:45 PM  

@148. AB.Prosper: 4 million is 10% of 40 million. 5 million is close enough to 10% it doesn't matter.

Blogger James Dixon January 07, 2018 4:46 PM  

> When "Until" comes is another matter and if its you or them getting the shove is up for grabs.

Everyone understands that. It's the coming that's inevitable, not the outcome.

Anonymous AB.Prosper January 07, 2018 5:17 PM  

Laz wrote:@148. AB.Prosper: 4 million is 10% of 40 million. 5 million is close enough to 10% it doesn't matter.

I was extrapolating to the general populace whereas you were using actual numbers.

I can't say who is more accurate. Broadly Hispanic folks who have the same rough population percentage as Whites vote less than Whites though President Trump outperformed Mitt Romney and got as much as 30% of that vote

I am fairly sure that "Is Nationalist/American" is roughly 1/3 of the population of California mostly Whites (Guessing half of them or so) 1/3 or more of Latinos and a smattering fair number of others

Politics is complicated as always

All that said, no one is invading anyone and there is no guarantee of a second civil war even when the pension crisis comes home to roost.

Be prepared but don't count on it and a wise man might have a " Big chunks of USA are now Latin American in political culture" plan as well as a zombie plan for you/ your kids/grandkids to use.

Anonymous simplytimothy January 07, 2018 5:26 PM  

@143 General America, You ommitted Vox's rebutal to Mr. Venerable; Don't bother re-arguing the point unless you bring something new to the discussion.

Anonymous Pepe the Frog January 07, 2018 7:19 PM  

It is perhaps not the crux of the matter but certainly important.

Let us say, speaking hypothetically, that someone in Congress tomorrow proposes a bill stating that, whereas, California is openly defying Federal law on multiple fronts, whereas, numerous California politicians are conspiring openly with foreign invaders against the United States, and whereas, the crimes they have committed against American citizens include but are not limited to murder (i.e., Kate Steinle) and conspiring to pervert justice and cover up their crimes, the United States is therefore obligated to withdraw California's status as a sovereign State and revert it to the status of a Territory, with an appointed military Governor who serves at the pleasure of the President, no representation in Congress, and no representation in the Electoral College, and to arrest all elected California officials from Governor on down to town dogcatcher, as well as all state Democratic Party functionaries as co-conspirators and participants in these crimes. Let us say, speaking hypothetically, that this bill passes both houses of Congress--it won't, because the GOPe types don't want to win anything or accomplish anything, but let's play pretend for a bit--what happens then?

I think we already know that the judiciary will declare this to be un-Constitutional. I think it was someone here who said that the President serves at the pleasure of tens of thousands of unelected judges, any one of whom can at any time countermand any and all Presidential orders as "un-Constitutional" based on any vagrant whim that might cross their minds or nothing whatsoever, just as they are empowered to litigate from the bench and overturn the results of any election in which the people vote the "wrong" way, and who de facto completely disconnected public policy from the results of elections at least six decades ago if not longer.

Anyway. I digress. Let's say Congress passes a bill to withdraw California's Statehood and Congressional and electoral representation, and President Trump signs it. And then the courts say "a ha ha ha ha ha, NO." What then?

I think we are not going to be voting our way out of this.

Blogger DonReynolds January 07, 2018 7:46 PM  

@155 Pepe the Frog

You are correct. WE cannot talk our way out of this fight and we are outnumbered and backed into a dead end alley. It is dark and we have every reason to suspect they have an advantage in weapons.

That seems to be the consensus opinion here. The fight is unavoidable and it will be terrible. Surrender will not be an option, because they do not want our submission or obedience or compliance, our enemies want us dead and gone. So this is a matter of survival, not simply who controls the government.

Blogger SciVo January 07, 2018 8:04 PM  

Sunlight is the best disinfectant: VIDEO: Professor tells students to violate U.S. laws, ‘destroy’ white democracy

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 07, 2018 10:10 PM  

Pepe the Frog wrote:Anyway. I digress. Let's say Congress passes a bill to withdraw California's Statehood and Congressional and electoral representation, and President Trump signs it. And then the courts say "a ha ha ha ha ha, NO." What then?

The judge is shot as a co-conspirator as soon as he agrees to hear the case, long before he can issue a ruling which would be ignored if issued.

You said in your set up for the hypothetical that president and congress were in agreement. The courts have no power beyond the power the legislature and the executive choose to give them.

Blogger Koanic January 07, 2018 10:31 PM  

Silly California. It is one thing to secede, and quite another to succeed.

Blogger James Dixon January 08, 2018 5:52 AM  

> I think we are not going to be voting our way out of this.

Neither does anyone else, but this is a process. You try the peaceful avenues first.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Four_boxes_of_liberty

Anonymous Captain America January 08, 2018 10:29 AM  

“We can lead with the US army clearing an area of resistance and then just march them across.”

More tough talk from Mr. Rational. If invasion is indeed war, hombre, one right under our noses, then why do you refuse to lift a finger to do something substantial here?

“America is fed up and the Saxon is beginning to hate.  Gonna be busy tree chippers and lotsa compost because people aren't going to be willing to wait or pay for anything else.”

The Saxon has been “hating” for the past decade. Clearly you act big. But in the end, the only compost you are going to use is for your backyard that you bought at Home Depot.


“The question mark that remains is the nature of the breakup.”

Actually, Don, the question mark that remains is whether the breakup will even occur.


“You ommitted Vox's rebutal to Mr. Venerable.”

SimplyTimothy, it was written that “The question is this: how do we determine which of the three definitions of posterity should correctly apply to the term "posterity" as it is used in "ourselves and our posterity"? The answer, as I previously suggested, is straightforward. To understand how the term was meant to be understood in the Preamble, we must look at how the same people using it were using it in their other writings. Fortunately, there are more than a few mentions of "posterity" in both the Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers which are discussing the very constitution in question. There are seven instances in the Federalist Papers…To this manly spirit, posterity will be indebted for the possession, and the world for the example, of the numerous innovations displayed on the American theatre, in favor of private rights and public happiness. (DEFINITION 3: future history)

The assumption here is that the Founding Fathers were indeed applying it as the author stated. But one requires the reasoning used to determine the definition and its appropriate context, rather than simply stating it as a fact, when that fact is in direct question. In other words, what is the explicit textual evidence, as well as supporting statements from various Founding Fathers, to indicate clearly and concisely that those definitions were being correctly employed.

Blogger James Dixon January 08, 2018 1:18 PM  

> Actually, Don, the question mark that remains is whether the breakup will even occur.

Oh, the breakup will occur. All empires die. The US will be no exception. The question there is when, not if.

Anonymous Captain America January 09, 2018 6:04 PM  

No, the breakup is other than inevitable or a sure fire thing. The globalists have the "break glass in case of emergency plan".

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