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Friday, January 05, 2018

Money isn't everything

But it helps, although a little less than one might assume. A study quantifies just how much money will help the average man improve his prospects:
Women are more likely to find men attractive if they think they have a bulging wallet, a new study has found - but for men it's still all about the looks. The study suggests that women are four times as sensitive to salary when considering a male partner as men are when choosing a female partner. 

The study, published in Evolution and Human Behaviour, used photos of men and women alongside information on the subject's annual salary to see how it influenced their attractiveness ratings on groups in America, China, and Europe.

John Speakman, one of the authors, said: 'A man can move himself two points higher on the attractiveness scale we used if his salary increases by a factor of ten. For a female to achieve the same two-point effect her salary would need to increase by 10,000 times.'
What's interesting is that two points on a ten point scale is LESS than the amount a woman increases her attractiveness simply by losing weight. And, of course, it demonstrates the utter foolishness of women attempting to use their careers to attract husbands. The female business executive is reluctant to marry any lower than a Senior Vice President, but the male SVP will usually prefer to marry the pretty young trainer at the gym.

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Blogger Zaklog the Great January 05, 2018 11:02 AM  

Wait. Are you saying that men and women are motivated by different incentives when it comes to sexual selection? Who would've guessed?

Blogger pyrrhus January 05, 2018 11:15 AM  

This has been known for a long time. Men marry for looks, and I would suggest personality is important. I think a woman's career can definitely be viewed as a negative in some cases, if it interferes with family life. I have a friend who married, only to discover his careerist wife didn't want children. He divorced her and married a sweet girl with no career and no money, and they had two great kids.

Anonymous Rfvujm January 05, 2018 11:21 AM  

I didn't see a link to the actual study from the linked article. But at least the article seemed to suggest that a woman's age (i.e. Rollo's timeline) did not affect how much money attracted her. It would probably be misogynistic to notice something like women's bases of attraction changing throughout their lives.

Blogger William Meisheid January 05, 2018 11:29 AM  

The female business executive is reluctant to marry any lower than a Senior Vice President, but the male SVP will usually prefer to marry the pretty young trainer at the gym.

The trainer is moving up in status while the executive would be moving down. I think it is as simple as that.

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 05, 2018 11:38 AM  

It's hard wired. I've never met a man who married for money. Although that used to be a stock character in popular culture. I have met plenty of women who married for money or status.

And it was the money for sure.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 05, 2018 11:42 AM  

A pool of fat chicks with college debt to pay off (and thus plan to put off kids no matter what until...30? 35?)

Mmmm. What wonderful prospects young men face. Even the fortunate ones who land a nice, bright girl will be saddled with the reverse-dowry of her college loans. He will either put up with a delayed family or have to talk her into quitting while he pays off her debt load.

Honestly, has modern US society missed even ONE way to f-up everyone's lives?

OpenID widlast January 05, 2018 11:44 AM  

I wonder how much they spent to grasp the obvious.
Women want stability and things, men want sex.

Blogger emx1 January 05, 2018 11:45 AM  

When my net worth went from $50k to $5M,I went from having to think about trying to find them to consciously abstaining from bringing on new girls. If I didn't, sex+dates would take up literally 100% of my time.

Blogger dc.sunsets January 05, 2018 11:45 AM  

As recently as the last '70's lots of girls attended college to obtain the MRS degree. Women still do that with Harvard Business School, but for the masses of gals going to college, the lack of any grasp of actual consequences of their choices is simply astonishing.

Blind. We're surrounded by the volitionally blind.

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 05, 2018 11:49 AM  

The bit about a tenfold increase in income being worth only two points of SMV is discouraging. Because the only ways to get a tenfold improvement are to either start with nothing, or start extremely rich. The average working man, even professionals, can hope to double or triple his income over a career...but a tenfold increase isn't in the cards.

Blogger spacehabitats January 05, 2018 11:51 AM  

This is all pretty basic evolutionary biology. It is also why the leftists/globalists have always been so intent on blurring gender roles. Once you acknowledge the validity of genetically determined differences in behavior between the sexes, it is a very steep slippery slope to differences among the races.

Anonymous Jonathan January 05, 2018 11:55 AM  

I dated a girl in college who planned on going to medical school. When I broke up with her I had a lot of people asking me why I would break up with someone who had such a bright future. My response was that she wouldn't be finished with school/training until her early thirties.

Blogger Francis The Pope January 05, 2018 11:55 AM  

I find these ratios hard to believe, if a man goes from $ 1 million to $10 million he goes from say 0 in attractiveness to 2, then from $10 million to $100 million he goes from 2 to 4, but in reality somebody with $100 million is really going to have an attractiveness of 10 for any female that is looking for a mate.

Anonymous JAG January 05, 2018 11:56 AM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:It's hard wired. I've never met a man who married for money.

Tom Arnold.

Blogger Anno Ruse January 05, 2018 11:58 AM  

What do men want? Pies on the windowsill and buns in the oven.

Blogger The Observer January 05, 2018 12:03 PM  

@13:

I, on the other hand, find it easy to believe.

Look at Bill Gates and Donald Trump, then compare the attractiveness of their wives.

Blogger Gospace January 05, 2018 12:04 PM  

@10 One of my sons managed a tenfold increase in 2 years. But only because he was laid off and forced to look for another job. He was happy and making enough where he was at. He was also already married with kids. You can't stay where you're at and see the increase, you have to actively search out opportunities, or be forced by necessity to search out opportunities.

Another son just tripled moving from hourly to management. (That doesn't include bonuses.) Accompanied by a cross country move. He's 26 and single. With lots of room to yet move up with the company he's working for. Again, you have to be willing to move for money.

Blogger Bucephalus January 05, 2018 12:08 PM  

It is astonishing that I could possibly become any more appealing to the opposite sex, but, I guess hitting PowerBall for $500M this weekend would thrust me into the rarest of air.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 05, 2018 12:11 PM  

Francis the Pope @13: "I find these ratios hard to believe, if a man goes from $ 1 million to $10 million he goes from say 0 in attractiveness to 2, then from $10 million to $100 million he goes from 2 to 4"

Your problem was starting at the very bottom of the scale. I mean, c'mon -- how many men are actually a 0 based on looks alone? You're talking Freddy-Krueger-level looks, here.

If you take a basic, average-looking guy at 5, then apply those ratios, it makes a bit more sense. What would you start Mark Zuckerberg at, and where would he finish based on his net worth?

Anonymous Broken Arrow January 05, 2018 12:11 PM  

This isn't true. A very rich Gamma will attract women, but they won't stay very long. Or if they do stay they will run his life to his detriment.

A wealthy Gamma who can't change would be much better off with with high quality prostitutes then trying to snag a super model.

Blogger Jed Mask January 05, 2018 12:20 PM  

"And, of course, it demonstrates the utter foolishness of women attempting to use their careers to attract husbands."

B-b-But Mr. Vox... Womynz don't understandeth the "male language"...

Need to speak in "womanese" for the womynz to understandeth it.


"The female business executive is reluctant to marry any lower than a Senior Vice President, but the male SVP will usually prefer to marry the pretty young trainer at the gym."

For the simple-minded to understand:

Woman want bigger, stronger powerful male higher than woman herself to mate with.

Man want younger, submissive, obedient pretty woman to make babies with.

BOMB! *GAME ON*!

Blogger Bucephalus January 05, 2018 12:21 PM  

"how many men are actually a 0 based on looks alone?"

Michael Moore, Anthony Weiner, Harvey Weinstein, ....bailed out by their bankrolls.

Blogger Tinidril January 05, 2018 12:22 PM  

The irony is that women's studies departments steadfastly ignore all the data coming out of the biological sciences that is extremely pertinent to their discipline, crucial I would say. How could you even attempt inquiry of a dimorphic species without it?

Blogger Bucephalus January 05, 2018 12:28 PM  

Offer to whisk a female business executive away to the Motor City for a STD burger, or Hepatitis taco.
Because:

Detroit on High Alert After Workers at 6 Restaurants Test Positive for Hepatitis...

Blogger S1AL January 05, 2018 12:34 PM  

"The average working man, even professionals, can hope to double or triple his income over a career...but a tenfold increase isn't in the cards."

Stop being average?

Besides, there are about ten easier ways to become more attractive than making 10x the money.

Anonymous SigOther January 05, 2018 12:35 PM  

It's a comparison, not a linear study. The guy who makes 500k now is 40% more attractive than the guy with 50k now, not that guys who go from 50 to 500 get 2 points of smv. Not sure it supports the latter conclusion, that a particular individual can increase smv by increasing income 10x. It basically just means what everyone already knows, guys in high pay, high status jobs have a better smv position: white shoe lawyers and I-bankers are "dripping in bitches," as it were. 2 points for a 10x difference in AGI is about what I'd expect in a single-choice a/b test.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 05, 2018 12:36 PM  

Bucephalus @22: "Michael Moore..."

Really, this equals this?

I question your eyesight.

Anonymous SanityClause January 05, 2018 12:41 PM  

Two people get together, they have sex, one of them becomes pregnant, which is it, the man or woman?
Being pregnant, and having a child, is a pretty physical thing, so, a man who wants to pass on his seed will go for a woman who has the physical attributes that say health, fertility, etc. The most fertile and birth survivable are healthy young woman, so that is what you want to look like.

Also, the woman has to be pregnant, give birth, and then care for the child (woman are better suited to that than men, see "mothers radar"), all that precludes her hunting or working full time. So, to take care of her and the child while she does that, she wants a successful hunter/worker, as shown by his bank balance.

This isn't rocket science.

Blogger Bucephalus January 05, 2018 12:44 PM  

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Blogger Brett baker January 05, 2018 12:46 PM  

I thought I was straight, until you won the Powerball.

Blogger Brett baker January 05, 2018 12:47 PM  

I thought I was straight, until you won the Powerball.

Blogger DonReynolds January 05, 2018 12:50 PM  

Money is seldom a factor with men. What matters most to men is companionship (compatibility) and sex....and both seem more likely when beauty is added to the equation. That means that a man can have a relationship with a woman from another culture, another socioeconomic class, another zip code, another occupation. Men are not looking for someone like themselves but many are looking for a woman most like their mom....the most important woman in their lives. This means that men will go to great lengths and travel across the land in search of a woman like mom.

Likewise, very many women are looking for a man much like their daddy and one of the things daddy did was take care of them. But daddy was something else that mom was not. Daddy was authority and his word was law. And in return for obedience, daddy provided protection from the dangerous world. She could never aspire to more than what daddy made her. So when she fails, it is actually daddy's fault.

Much is made in the "women's magazines" about the superior ability of women (over men) to play Paper Dolls. Men seldom develop this special sense but in women it is considered important. (And the women KNOW that men are really crummy at matching who goes with whom.)

(Paper Dolls is the ability to RANK all the female paper dolls and match them up with all the male paper dolls. The corresponding matches are said to "go together", and it is a lifelong passion. When they are too old to actually participate in the game, they can still play matchmaker with the younger paper dolls.)

This "ability" to perform ordinal ranking of male and female sets is remarkably similar from one woman to the next largely because comparing notes with other women is an ongoing activity, anytime two or more women get to talk. They do it in public places, at work, in the car, even involving strangers and pedestrians. It is almost a sport and even better than gossip.

Is this too much information?

Anonymous Athor Pel January 05, 2018 12:54 PM  

There's more to the money than just the numbers. A man making 10 times the average wage will more likely have the character traits that attract women. Confidence being primary.

Confidence is built on actual accomplishment. The man making 10X the average wage is much more likely to have done the work to get where he is. The money is a reminder of that journey.

Blogger Bucephalus January 05, 2018 12:55 PM  

@27)

What's up Waterboy. I do wear an eye patch.
But now that I look at the 2, with one eye, yes, it's a no brainer. Freddy K would receive more marriage proposals than Michael Moore if they were both locked up for life in the pen'.

Anonymous SigOther January 05, 2018 12:56 PM  

In my experience, professionals usually see constant upward increases through their career, and that can include working until you are 80+, except labor/leisure tradeoffs (lawyers become mediators and work 20 hrs per week for $300k/yr, engineers become consultants and work 10 hrs/wk for 100k, etc). Also, I now make 2.5x my first-job salary (colleagues have made better by making harder moves), 7 years into a prestige "learned profession." I would be shocked to see it only stop at 3x, the general expectation in my field is you end up at least 5x the average starting pay.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 05, 2018 12:58 PM  

Bucephalus @29: "Non gay question, but on a scale of 0-10 what do you rate Michael Moore?"

No idea. But I do know that -- given a baseline of 0=Freddy Krueger -- it most certainly isn't 0.

I'm also fairly certain that there are men even worse-looking than ol' Freddy...which would reset the base of the scale, and push everyone else up higher. But we have to start somewhere.

Blogger Bucephalus January 05, 2018 1:03 PM  

@36)

"I'm also fairly certain that there are men even worse-looking than ol' Freddy...which would reset the base of the scale, and push everyone else up higher. But we have to start somewhere."

Point taken. But Weiner and Weinstein? Weiner looks like a speed bag with eyes, and Ol' Harvey, well , there is something growing out of his forehead. Have a Happy New Year!

Blogger marco moltisanti January 05, 2018 1:04 PM  

I can't be the only one who's noticed how most of the guys getting taken out for sexual harassment lately are old, fat, and ugly. Seems to trump being wealthy easily.

Anonymous BBGKB January 05, 2018 1:05 PM  

How long until leaving out a fake ATM slip with lots of money shown will be grounds for a rape accusation?

It's hard wired. I've never met a man who married for money.

I know some;)

but in reality somebody with $100 million is really going to have an attractiveness of 10 for any female that is looking for a mate.

Have you seen Mike Bloomberg? His teeth are darker than the niggerette leftists claim helped whitey get to the moon.

Blogger James Dixon January 05, 2018 1:05 PM  

> It is astonishing that I could possibly become any more appealing to the opposite sex, but, I guess hitting PowerBall for $500M this weekend would thrust me into the rarest of air.

Not quite. According to Forbes, there are 2,043 billionaires.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 05, 2018 1:06 PM  

Meh. Journo-lists stumble over provisioning and hypergamy, are clueless what they've found, move on. The original study might be interesting.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 05, 2018 1:07 PM  

@20 Broken Arrow
A very rich Gamma will attract women, but they won't stay very long.

Paging Harvey Weinstein.

Blogger Bucephalus January 05, 2018 1:08 PM  

@30) Brett, my parade has been rained on because as James stated, there are 2043 billionaires out there. I don't even want to hit it now.

Blogger Michael Thompson January 05, 2018 1:10 PM  

"I find these ratios hard to believe, if a man goes from $ 1 million to $10 million he goes from say 0 in attractiveness to 2, then from $10 million to $100 million he goes from 2 to 4, but in reality somebody with $100 million is really going to have an attractiveness of 10 for any female that is looking for a mate."

Not really true. There's definitely a scale still in effect. A guy who looks like Brad Pitt who has $100m is still going to be more attractive to women than some dude who looks like Harvey Weinstein who has $100m.

That isn't to say that dude who looks like Harvey Weinstein is going to have any difficulty finding sex partners if he wants them, but his pool of potentials is still going to be smaller.

Anonymous WaterBoy January 05, 2018 1:14 PM  

Bucephalus @38: "Have a Happy New Year!"

Thanks, man, you too!

Anonymous Napoleon 12pdr January 05, 2018 1:17 PM  

@35, et al.: Income potential depends on the field. I'm an aerospace engineer, specializing in flight test. Starting salaries run around $70K/year, with a rapid increase to the $90-$110K/yr range. Above that, it's a slower grind. Yes, you can crack 200K/year in a senior leadership position...but you'll need 30 years of experience to get it.

Which is why I think tripling income, maybe quadrupling it, is the most that can be reasonably expected.

Blogger Rick January 05, 2018 1:21 PM  

“Men are not looking for someone like themselves but many are looking for a woman most like their mom....the most important woman in their lives.”

Don, what does your mother look like?

Also, BS or coincidence. You were right up to that point. Attractive + suitable companion.

Also, my wife (of 30 years) has a very narrow window of acceptable looks in men. Thankfully I fit into it. Her standards appear to be, in order of importance:
1. A certain kind of looks
2. Eyes
3. Funny (to her)
4. Interests (some same, some different)
Not even on the list. Money (I was an art student when we met at 19) tho cash poor, I wasn’t a slouch.

Blogger Francis The Pope January 05, 2018 1:22 PM  

On the topic of who is more attractive: Michael Moore or Freddy Kruger, I seriously believe that Freddy Kruger would be more attractive to more females (and I really am being serious here because I know these kind of questions are are hard to take seriously). The reason I say this is because the types like Charles Manson who were dangerous men will tend attract a certain amount of females, obese types like Moore are surely the least attractive type of man of them all. A dangerous looking man will always have some form of attraction, but types like Weinstein or Moore I just cannot not see which female can find that attractive.

Blogger Alphonsus Jr January 05, 2018 1:23 PM  

#15 Anno Ruse said:

"What do men want? Pies on the windowsill and buns in the oven."

A perfect comment. Worthy of Le Rochefoucauld. I salute you!

Blogger Just Mark January 05, 2018 1:23 PM  

I wonder to what extent debt is a factor. I dropped a couple of women when it became evident they were accumulating significant student debt.

Blogger James Dixon January 05, 2018 1:24 PM  

> A man making 10 times the average wage will more likely have the character traits that attract women. Confidence being primary.

I would guess this play a significant role in the equation, yes.

Blogger Cataline Sergius January 05, 2018 1:28 PM  

This is the kind of study that conclusively proves that when a dog barks, it makes noise.

These guys got a huge grant to prove the freaking obvious.

I'm in the wrong business.

Blogger Alphonsus Jr January 05, 2018 1:34 PM  

@52

For smart men, debt is a major factor. Someone else above aptly described it as a reverse dowry.

It's a major factor not just, or even primarily, for financial reasons. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there's a strong correlation between a female's debt and her willingness to spread her legs to a bush if she thought a snake was in it. Yes, it's quite likely that high debt = whore.

Blogger Bucephalus January 05, 2018 1:35 PM  

@50) Good morning, Pontiff!

Excellent points. Moore could ride a Harley, dress in black, and mimic the outlaw Clay Allison but his bad boy image wouldn't help because he is a super fat slob.

Anonymous BTC January 05, 2018 2:01 PM  

You would think children would have come up in conversation.

Anonymous Whitey Whiteman III January 05, 2018 2:02 PM  

If each point is a standard deviation, 10X income moving someone up 2 standard deviations in attractiveness is a very big deal, though I don't think most people's scale is that extreme...???

Anonymous Anonymous January 05, 2018 2:10 PM  

"Bucephalus @22: "Michael Moore..."

Really, this equals this?

I question your eyesight."

Say what you want, but at least Mr. Krueger has "neck."

- Ted

Anonymous Sam the Man January 05, 2018 2:13 PM  

I found that article interesting and being in my 50s not all that wrong.

That said I think that there are 4 aspects to this external ability to raise ones SMV (beyond personal appearance and behavior):

Money, Power, Fame, Status.

Money Power and Fame all interrelate, status, well a bit less, it can stand on its own to a certain extent. I think women are drawn to social status which typically reflects money power and fame, but not always.

For example the poor but famous artist/poet has a bit of status that the successful owner of a chain of garages simply cannot readily obtain.

When an Young engineer I noted that when working overseas in Northern Europe or in Asia, my "status" as a technical person seemed to be higher than in the US, in as much as that was the period when "geeks" were "nerds". It certainly seemed to offer a status plus overseas that it did not in the US. Women seemed to be more interested frankly, they seemed to find an advanced degree in engineering form a university as a status symbol, irrespective of income.

I have also noted the interest that being a "blue blood" might offer a young chap. There is no doubt women are drawn to any social distinction like that of old family, irrespective of the wealth such status conferred.

Of course this study was one metric only, but I think there is more to it than just money alone.

Anonymous Stickwick January 05, 2018 2:22 PM  

...it demonstrates the utter foolishness of women attempting to use their careers to attract husbands.

Are there actually women who think this is a thing? Career-appeal is such an intrinsically masculine quality, it's like a woman thinking that if she sprouts facial hair she'll attract more men. Which I suspect is a pretty apt analogy, because if I was a dude on the lookout and knew a woman was some kind of career hotshot, my first thoughts would be: ballbuster, unavailable, never having children.

Anonymous Tipsy January 05, 2018 2:31 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:A pool of fat chicks with college debt to pay off (and thus plan to put off kids no matter what until...30? 35?)

We really need to start a national conversation about usury, particularly now that the government has gotten into the business.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 05, 2018 2:44 PM  

Heartiste has a post up that addresses this issue in the age of social media.

Up thread a comment about engineers and nerds having higher social status, CH's post deals with tinder swipes proving once again that 'Murka is Idiocracy.

Blogger D. Bay January 05, 2018 2:46 PM  

"Excellent points. Moore could ride a Harley, dress in black, and mimic the outlaw Clay Allison but his bad boy image wouldn't help because he is a super fat slob."

Doesn't matter. Moore is also a multi-millionaire limousine liberal and very famous.

Anonymous Elmer Fudd January 05, 2018 2:58 PM  

"I can't be the only one who's noticed how most of the guys getting taken out for sexual harassment lately are old, fat, and ugly.

Let me make this easy for you: A guy who's young, well-built, and handsome doesn't have to harass to get laid.

Imagine if a woman accused, say, Robert Pattinson of harassment. Everyone would laugh her off the planet.

Blogger Weouro January 05, 2018 3:03 PM  

"So, to take care of her and the child while she does that, she wants a successful hunter/worker, as shown by his bank balance."

Except an increase from 50k to 500k will only move you two points. A man could bridge that gap by a simple change in attitude. People talk about the incredible sexual market value of women, but an alpha attitude is apparently worth like half a million dollars and up.

Blogger S1AL January 05, 2018 3:07 PM  

"People talk about the incredible sexual market value of women, but an alpha attitude is apparently worth like half a million dollars and up."

Bingo.

Blogger Tom Locker January 05, 2018 3:08 PM  

A woman can also increase her attractiveness simply by ditching the short "butch" haircut and allowing her hair to grow out. The further below the shoulders the better

Blogger Tom Locker January 05, 2018 3:10 PM  

Brick Hardslab - you've never heard of a man marrying for money? I'll introduce you to John Kerry.

Anonymous Anonymous January 05, 2018 3:13 PM  

Money isn't everything...it is the only thing.

- Francis

Blogger Dexter January 05, 2018 3:29 PM  

"...it demonstrates the utter foolishness of women attempting to use their careers to attract husbands.

Are there actually women who think this is a thing?"

Yes, coastal urban striver SWPL types.

Many of them suffer from the delusion that men want to marry an "equal".

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 05, 2018 3:46 PM  

I've heard of men marrying for money. I've never met one.

Blogger LP9 January 05, 2018 4:45 PM  



Sure marry an equal, well many women in poor health are now viewed or semi viewed as burdens to men; It appears to be hypergamy syndrome but with fear, women are afraid to have sex while being pressured to work and work one to two jobs as a GF then in marriage, become expectant with a baby as many women, meaning me, want to stay home, breast feed home school, provide for and be great GF's, great wives, great moms but the (ever fallen/dyscivic) American women dont understand they dont need cashola and money or junky stuff, this is about survival and care for yourself your spouse and the kids - marriage is no walk in the park but one can work towards lovely blissful domestic Peace, knowing life isnt easy.

White women lives dont matter, per San Fran daughter that died in her fathers hands from a immigrant that NEEDS TO GO as they are wrecking up the IQ's, (BLM doesn't matter; example Chicago land.)

How can a women work rear children and provide for her HUSBAND? its almost impossible.

Blogger Michael Maier January 05, 2018 5:11 PM  

Elmer Fudd wrote:"I can't be the only one who's noticed how most of the guys getting taken out for sexual harassment lately are old, fat, and ugly.

Let me make this easy for you: A guy who's young, well-built, and handsome doesn't have to harass to get laid.

Imagine if a woman accused, say, Robert Pattinson of harassment. Everyone would laugh her off the planet.


I'd believe it. He's a pathetic cuck.

Blogger Andoc January 05, 2018 6:30 PM  

Strong doses of denial and feminism.

Anonymous Anonymous January 05, 2018 6:51 PM  

I dated a woman once who was convinced she was worth a lot more than other girls because of her degree.

Anonymous Anonymous January 05, 2018 6:54 PM  

Rural America seems to be handling that well...

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 05, 2018 7:30 PM  

@58 Stickwick
Are there actually women who think this is a thing?

Yes. Most of them under 30. Just for a start.

Blogger Alphonsus Jr January 05, 2018 7:32 PM  

"Yes. Most of them under 30. Just for a start."

Yet another refutation of the myth of progress.

Blogger S1AL January 05, 2018 8:10 PM  

"Yes. Most of them under 30. Just for a start."

I have never once meet a woman who believed this. Some who thought they should be respected or have social status on account of it? Sure. Not a single one believed men found it attractive.

And the younger they are, the less likely they are to move that direction. The generation after mine has watched and learned.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 05, 2018 8:18 PM  

"Yes. Most of them under 30. Just for a start."

I have never once meet a woman who believed this. Some who thought they should be respected or have social status on account of it? Sure. Not a single one believed men found it attractive.

You are confused by words. Ignore their words. Observe their actions.

Most women under 30 believe this, their actions prove it no matter what words come out of their mouths.


And the younger they are, the less likely they are to move that direction. The generation after mine has watched and learned.


The majority of college students working on useless degrees are women. Actions.

Blogger S1AL January 05, 2018 8:21 PM  

"Most women under 30 believe this, their actions prove it no matter what words come out of their mouths."

I have. College girls don't put on makeup for the career benefits.


"The majority of college students working on useless degrees are women. Actions."

If they thought wealth made them attractive, they wouldn't be pursuing worthless degrees.

This isn't hard.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 05, 2018 9:16 PM  

"Most women under 30 believe this, their actions prove it no matter what words come out of their mouths."

S1AL
I have. College girls don't put on makeup for the career benefits.

Non sequitur.

"The majority of college students working on useless degrees are women. Actions."

If they thought wealth made them attractive, they wouldn't be pursuing worthless degrees.

Shifting the goalposts.

This isn't hard.

Indeed it is not. Outside of small Christian colleges most women are not going to college for an MRS degree. They are following the track of "degree - optional advanced degree - establish career - then marry". Because they've been taught that a career makes them attractive to men, and they are acting on that.

Question for you: At what age does the average US woman first marry?

Anonymous Sheiko29 January 05, 2018 11:46 PM  

Reminds me of the old joke - what is the difference between an officer's wife and an enlisted's wife? At least 100 lbs.

Anonymous Luke January 06, 2018 4:03 AM  

Modern MC/college women's romantic strategy, summed up:

"...imagine a bakery whose business plan was, for the first 3 days after they baked cakes/pies/cookies/rolls/pastries/bread, they put it out on the street (out in the weather) for any passersby to take what he wanted, for free. Only after 3 days, did they bring in the hard dry (if not starting to get green mold) remaining crumbs, and try to sell those for full price, and make their business show a profit that way. Then, as those leftovers don't sell, and further age, they continue to raise the price for another week or so. Finally, when they have to throw this roachbait in the dumpster, the owner mutters that "People in this town just don't appreciate a good bakery"."

Blogger S1AL January 06, 2018 7:35 AM  

Paradigm, go read the original statement in question. It's about whether women think wealth makes them more attractive. Nothing else. That is the question to which you responded, and it is the question to which I am responding. You are the only one shifting goalposts.

Blogger Nate73 January 06, 2018 4:54 PM  

@20: Can you expand on that Broken Arrow, how would his life get ruined? Like Prince Harry?

OpenID midnightsun300 January 06, 2018 8:36 PM  

I'd rather live in a hut on a moderate income with the man I love and the children I cherish as opposed to a Park Ave penthouse with a cheating husband, Dr Botox and ungrateful children! In most cases this is what "marrying for money will get you.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 07, 2018 7:06 PM  

@80 S1AL
Paradigm, go read the original statement in question. It's about whether women think wealth makes them more attractive. Nothing else.

Original statement in question:

58 Stickwick
Are there actually women who think this is a thing? Career-appeal is such an intrinsically masculine quality, it's like a woman thinking that if she sprouts facial hair she'll attract more men.

Where's the word "wealth"? In your imagination. Stickwick used the term Career-appeal which is not the same thing as wealth.

That is the question to which you responded, and it is the question to which I am responding.

The question I responded to is what Stickwick wrote. You made something up in your head and ran with it.

Average age of first marriage for a woman in the US is 27. Since you have problems with arithmetic operations I'll help you out.

College from 18 to 22 or 23. Then graduate school or internships or a couple of mission trips from 23 to 25. First "real" job at 25 and after a year or so the husband hunt begins, so marriage at 27. They are totally sold on the idea that men are attracted by careerism, their actions prove it. Because the minority of women who really do want to get married in college or right after graduation ? They get married.

Your non sequitur about college women wearing makeup was the funniest thing I read all day. Watch what they do, ignore what they say.

Blogger S1AL January 07, 2018 8:01 PM  

The whole post is within the context of salary. Every response descends from the point about a 10x increase in income being worth 2 points on a 10-point scale. Career = money within this entire thread. If you can't follow that, you've got mental issues.

Anonymous A Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Cents January 07, 2018 8:12 PM  

@84 S1AL
The whole post is within the context of salary. Every response descends from the point about a 10x increase in income being worth 2 points on a 10-point scale.

For men only, not for women. Stickwick's question was about women. Women are not men with boobs; this may be a real shock to you, but it is true.

Their motivations are not the same as men, but they project a lot, and the strong, independent, career gals project a lot. This is easy to observe, and one data point demonstrating it is the age of women at first marriage.

In 1990 that was about 23. Now it's 27. In a couple of years it will be 28. Because careerism. Why careerism? Because that's what "everyone knows" is best for women. How to attract a guy? [insert projection]

Career = money within this entire thread.

Wrong.

If you can't follow that, you've got mental issues.

If you can't see what's all around you, that's not my problem. Do you still believe that 21 year old college girls wear makeup to attract a husband?

Maybe you aren't male after all, but a bitter woman who just turned 31? Either way the entertainment continues.

Blogger S1AL January 08, 2018 3:15 PM  

"For men only, not for women. Stickwick's question was about women. Women are not men with boobs; this may be a real shock to you, but it is true."

That was the entire point of her question - is there any woman who thinks this applies to her, and the answer is "no". I'll note that the only people in this thread who think so are both single.

"In 1990 that was about 23. Now it's 27. In a couple of years it will be 28. Because careerism. Why careerism? Because that's what "everyone knows" is best for women. How to attract a guy? [insert projection]"

Careerism =/= thinking your career makes you more attractive. This is where you've gone sideways. Any woman who pursues a career is doing it because (a) in niche cases it gives her better access to more attractive men, (b) she doesn't want to get married, (c) it's a status symbol in some circles, (d) on very rare occasions she's actually passionate about it.

"If you can't see what's all around you, that's not my problem. Do you still believe that 21 year old college girls wear makeup to attract a husband?"

Husband, boyfriend, lover, casual fuckbuddy, who cares?

Here's the thing: I got married in college. Lots of my friends got married in our shortly after graduating college. The correlation, across the board? Christian, wanted to be married.

The women who wanted actual careers? Every single one of them openly admitted (and acted accordingly) that she didn't want marriage.

Women don't have any delusions on this point. Even the bitter feminists whine about exactly this point. They know, and they hate it.

"Maybe you aren't male after all, but a bitter woman who just turned 31? Either way the entertainment continues."

Project much, bitter incel?

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