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Saturday, January 27, 2018

More missing texts

The DOJ may have them all. Or they may not. But either way, they haven't turned them all over to Congress. Yet.
The Justice Department has given Congress less than 15 percent of the texts between FBI officials Peter Strzok and Lisa Page – and that is all Congress is likely to get, at least until department experts finish an effort to recover an unknown number of previously lost texts that were sent and received during a key five-month period during the Trump-Russia investigation.

There is much confusion over some basic facts of the Strzok-Page texts. How many are there? How many relate to the two most politically-charged investigations in years, the Trump-Russia probe and the Hillary Clinton email investigation? How many have been turned over to Congress? And how many are left to be turned over to Congress?

The answers are complicated, but here is what I have been able to figure out from conversations with the Justice Department and Capitol Hill investigators.

The Justice Department has identified about 50,000 Strzok-Page texts. But that is apart from the texts between Dec. 14, 2016 and May 17, 2017 that were declared missing a week ago but are now being recovered. So, the total is apparently 50,000 plus the currently unknown number of formerly missing texts.

But that number refers only to the Strzok-Page texts that were sent and received on FBI-issued Samsung phones. There are a number of instances in the texts in which the two officials say that they should switch the conversation to iMessage, suggesting they continued to talk about FBI matters on personal Apple phones. For investigators, those are particularly intriguing texts – what was so sensitive that they couldn't discuss on their work phones? – but the number of those texts is unknown. And of course, they have not been turned over to Congress.

How many texts have been turned over? Both Justice Department and Capitol Hill sources say the total number is in the 7,000 range, which includes all the texts handed over on two separate occasions.
The question is, is "an effort to recover" actually what it appears or is the DOJ going to follow the example of the FBI and the NSA and declare a third successive "oops, we seem to have deleted everything"?

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39 Comments:

Anonymous johnc January 27, 2018 6:40 PM  

That article notes that Mueller is making redactions on some of the texts being released.

This whole thing is a crapshow.

Blogger maniacprovost January 27, 2018 6:48 PM  

If they ever discussed their actual jobs, some things will have to be redacted. I'd still prefer for the congressional committee to be able to see a paper copy unredacted.

Anonymous Tsalal January 27, 2018 6:54 PM  

Simple, kill them all and let God sort out His own.

Anonymous DJF January 27, 2018 7:14 PM  

50,000 plus messages!!!

Who are they, teenage girls talking about the Prom!

Blogger Salt January 27, 2018 7:38 PM  

I have zero trust of any branch of government to tell me anything.

Blogger Stilicho January 27, 2018 7:49 PM  

What, in the name of baelzebub's third nipple, is Mueller doing redacting these texts? He's potentially one of the people implicated in this investigation and now he's in charge of what is disclosed to congress as part of an investigation of his people that could result in charges against him if he doesn't hide potentially damning evidence against himself? Wtf!

Anonymous Patron January 27, 2018 8:09 PM  

OT, but it's worse than I thought at Blizzard:

https://twitter.com/WeWuzMetokur/status/956797798439161856

Pre-emptively "actioning" people playing Overwatch based on their social media accounts.

This would be the same game that has a hulking, muscle-bound Russian woman, plus-sized ice-themed heroine, and the full panoply of "diverse" heroes & villains.

Blogger D. January 27, 2018 8:14 PM  

Too bad congress gave up the power of the purse. At this point, Mueller should have 2 weeks of money left to finish his "investigation".

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger January 27, 2018 8:34 PM  

If Congress really wanted those documents, they would subpoena them, and they would subpoena everyone that had any knowledge of those documents and their rather shaky chain of custody. In the past, Congressional and Senate committees had no qualms about issuing subpoenas in the course of investigations. (Is there even a committee to investigate any of this? No.)

During the Nixon Watergate debacle, the Senate was issuing subpoenas of executive branch officials like crazy, and Nixon tried to prevent the subpoenas from being carried out because of "executive privilege", which didn't fly. Now we have an inverse case where the President should be begging Congress to hammer the FBI with subpoenas...and he doesn't do it. And even more weirdly, he won't do it himself. That is, he won't order the FBI, which supposedly works for him, to turn over documents to Congress.

I can understand why Trump has to be careful about firing the leadership of an investigative agency that is (partly) investigating him, but here we have a case where Congress ought to get a look at those no longer missing documents...and Trump doesn't take the opportunity of adjusting his halo, and ordering the FBI to cooperate fully with Congress.

When nobody does anything to uncover the truth, the unpalatable conclusion is that nobody wants the truth.

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass January 27, 2018 8:53 PM  

Does the DOJ and, by extension, the FBI WANT TO be liquidated? The outright arrogance of both groups is unbelievable. I have a good friend who guards the Secretary of State; he says, with some exceptions, whenever he talks to one FBI agent things go alright. Another one will come up, ask what may friend does, and will remark he didn't know the FBI had an office for that. When my friend notes to the second FBI agent that he's DSS, the second agent stops talking to him, starts talking to the first agent, and ignores him.

That anecdote aside, they have repeatedly stonewalled Congress, as has the DOJ, with requests for documents. Now they're chomping at the bit to see the TS memo on what was, most certainly, their breaking of multiple federal laws during the election. They don't get to make demands of Congress like that. I'm almost convince we just need to dissolve the FBI at this point.

johnc wrote:That article notes that Mueller is making redactions on some of the texts being released.

This whole thing is a crapshow.




Stilicho wrote:What, in the name of baelzebub's third nipple, is Mueller doing redacting these texts? He's potentially one of the people implicated in this investigation and now he's in charge of what is disclosed to congress as part of an investigation of his people that could result in charges against him if he doesn't hide potentially damning evidence against himself? Wtf!

@1 & @6 The left is soooo convinced that Trump interfered in the election, etc. The idea that Mueller is CHA (CYA in the third person) is unfathomable to them. Mueller has clearly stepped outside his bounds. Trump needs to address the memo during SOTU, if it's released. He needs to use it as a killshot to off the special counsel investigation. Then, people, including Mueller, need to be indicted. This is 3rd world BS right here and they're getting away with it.

Sidehill Dodger wrote:If Congress really wanted those documents, they would subpoena them, and they would subpoena everyone that had any knowledge of those documents and their rather shaky chain of custody. In the past, Congressional and Senate committees had no qualms about issuing subpoenas in the course of investigations. (Is there even a committee to investigate any of this? No.)

During the Nixon Watergate debacle, the Senate was issuing subpoenas of executive branch officials like crazy, and Nixon tried to prevent the subpoenas from being carried out because of "executive privilege", which didn't fly. Now we have an inverse case where the President should be begging Congress to hammer the FBI with subpoenas...and he doesn't do it. And even more weirdly, he won't do it himself. That is, he won't order the FBI, which supposedly works for him, to turn over documents to Congress.

I can understand why Trump has to be careful about firing the leadership of an investigative agency that is (partly) investigating him, but here we have a case where Congress ought to get a look at those no longer missing documents...and Trump doesn't take the opportunity of adjusting his halo, and ordering the FBI to cooperate fully with Congress.

When nobody does anything to uncover the truth, the unpalatable conclusion is that nobody wants the truth.


@9 IIRC they've subpoenaed the NSA and FBI over documents and both have stonewalled them.

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger January 27, 2018 9:12 PM  

Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass wrote:IIRC they've subpoenaed the NSA and FBI over documents and both have stonewalled them.

That may be the case, but it's irrelevant. You're not seeing the true, ironic beauty of this scenario.

The FBI works for the President, but up to now it has been politically impossible to fire Mueller & Co., because the President would be accused of deflecting investigations directed against himself. Cue Saturday Night Massacre scenario. But the President can publicly order Mueller to turn over the documents to Congress. That's a perfectly legitimate order. And if Mueller refuses to obey, that is a perfectly good reason to fire the whole bloody clot of them.

So why hasn't the President done this? Why has he not fairly leapt at this golden opportunity? I assume he's smarter than I am...but I sure wish someone would tell me what I'm missing.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 27, 2018 9:12 PM  

How many divisions does Congress have?

Anonymous johnc January 27, 2018 9:29 PM  

Sidehill Dodger wrote:
And if Mueller refuses to obey, that is a perfectly good reason to fire the whole bloody clot of them.

So why hasn't the President done this? Why has he not fairly leapt at this golden opportunity? I assume he's smarter than I am...but I sure wish someone would tell me what I'm missing.


At this stage there's nothing Trump can do to fire Mueller without being crucified. Trump made his bed, now he has to sleep in it.

Mueller could drive a truck bomb straight into the SOTU address and Trump still wouldn't be able to fire him.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 27, 2018 9:32 PM  

Don't worry. Q dropped today that the Feebs were using an app called Signal for encrypted texting on Android and Apple phones, and guess what? It was or still is owned by Twitter.

I believe Q was dropping that to imply that NSA not only knows what secure comms they were using, but that they also have the unencrypted texts. All of them.

https://qcodefag.github.io/

Anonymous johnc January 27, 2018 9:32 PM  

"Oh, shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin. "You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in." -- Rod Rosenstein

Anonymous Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass January 27, 2018 9:40 PM  

Jeff aka Orville wrote:Don't worry. Q dropped today that the Feebs were using an app called Signal for encrypted texting on Android and Apple phones, and guess what? It was or still is owned by Twitter.

I believe Q was dropping that to imply that NSA not only knows what secure comms they were using, but that they also have the unencrypted texts. All of them.

https://qcodefag.github.io/


Signal is what WhatsApp is built on.

Blogger Nate January 27, 2018 9:44 PM  

"Don't worry. Q dropped today that the Feebs were using an app called Signal for encrypted texting on Android and Apple phones, and guess what? It was or still is owned by Twitter."

I don't think you know how decryption works. Unless the NSA has a built in back door... they are not breaking into Signal.

Blogger Lazarus January 27, 2018 9:45 PM  

Fear not. If it looks like they may be successful in removing Trump, the stealth military coup underway will just become overt.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 27, 2018 9:50 PM  

Nate, there are backdoors to backdoors. Meltdown/Spectre, plus the occasional incompetence. Oh, and this to from a few weeks ago...

http://www.newsweek.com/whatsapp-security-flaw-lets-hackers-enter-any-group-unnoticed-776735

If you can control the WhatsApp server you can break it. If those servers are using Intel processors, then you can access any password hashes because of Meltdown and Spectre.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 27, 2018 9:52 PM  

@18 the military is mostly on the side of Trump if for no other reason than Mattis' yuge defense budget proposal.

Blogger Lazarus January 27, 2018 9:59 PM  

@20

The military are the ones who recruited Trump to run.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 27, 2018 10:00 PM  

Lazarus, I read too fast and missed the "if" they look successful in removing Trump. We are on the same page.

Anonymous Sidehill Dodger January 27, 2018 10:02 PM  

johnc wrote:Sidehill Dodger wrote:

And if Mueller refuses to obey, that is a perfectly good reason to fire the whole bloody clot of them.

So why hasn't the President done this? Why has he not fairly leapt at this golden opportunity? I assume he's smarter than I am...but I sure wish someone would tell me what I'm missing.


At this stage there's nothing Trump can do to fire Mueller without being crucified. Trump made his bed, now he has to sleep in it.

Mueller could drive a truck bomb straight into the SOTU address and Trump still wouldn't be able to fire him.



Why? Please tell me why the scenario I outlined would not be enough to fire them all. The FBI leaders would be simultaneously giving Trump and Congress the finger. The only power that can impeach Trump is Congress. If Trump fires the director of the FBI for stonewalling Congress, how can Congress vote to impeach him without looking ridiculous? Do you not understand how the process works?

I thought there were some serious, intelligent people commenting on this blog, but they must all be asleep or something. Surely, someone here is capable of understanding my point, and of telling me what I am not understanding, or what I have wrong. Try to focus, dammit.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 27, 2018 10:05 PM  

Whatsapp's history from https://infogalactic.com/info/WhatsApp shows both Twitter and Facebook involvement. Twitter supplied the Open Whisper System, while Facebook purchased Whatsapp in 2014.

We all know FB ant Twatter are converged, but I now believe they are also controlled social media by the blackhats.




Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 27, 2018 10:08 PM  

@23 I think Trump and his benefactors are looking for something more radical than firings or federal criminal charges. Think eradication. Salted earth.

Blogger Lazarus January 27, 2018 10:12 PM  

@11

So why hasn't the President done this? Why has he not fairly leapt at this golden opportunity? I assume he's smarter than I am...but I sure wish someone would tell me what I'm missing.

The Mueller show is irrelevant. It is a distraction sucking in the energy of the opposition forces while the real battles are occurring outside those parameters. The longer it goes, the more cover there is for the dissemination of information to the Patriots.

Blogger Lazarus January 27, 2018 10:14 PM  

@25

Think permanent exile, in poverty. With national condemnation.

Anonymous Bell Worthington January 27, 2018 10:39 PM  

Jeff aka Orville wrote:
If you can control the WhatsApp server you can break it. If those servers are using Intel processors, then you can access any password hashes because of Meltdown and Spectre.


Doesn't that only work during the actual process of hashing? I don't think it's a vulnerability that can be exploited retroactively.

Anonymous Gen. Kong January 27, 2018 10:48 PM  

How many divisions does Congress have?

The numbers are legion, for they are many ... who arise from the dankest swamp at the behest of Lord Beelzebubba, his bride, and D'Won Mocha Messiah.

Anonymous johnc January 27, 2018 10:56 PM  

Sidehill Dodger wrote:
Why? Please tell me why the scenario I outlined would not be enough to fire them all. The FBI leaders would be simultaneously giving Trump and Congress the finger. The only power that can impeach Trump is Congress. If Trump fires the director of the FBI for stonewalling Congress, how can Congress vote to impeach him without looking ridiculous? Do you not understand how the process works?


I understand how the process works. The lifeblood of the Congress (especially the Democrats) is looking ridiculous. Looking ridiculous has never hampered their efforts.

Yes, Trump can fire whoever he wants, just like he fired Comey. But he'll have to suffer the consequences. Firing Comey got him the special counsel. If he fires the special counsel the Democrats would then, finally, have their big issue to run on in the midterms: "Vote for us and we will impeach Trump! We will undo the 2016 election!" The media machine -- which is the propaganda outlet for the Democratic Party -- will hammer the same message day in and day out: "Trump is an out of control tyrant, firing poor innocent Mueller to cover up all of his horrible election crimes!" People in blue districts lap that stuff up. They'll come out in droves. You'll see what happened in Alabama happening in every state in the country.

And if Democrats get control of the Congress they can pretty much make the ultimatum: "Compromise with our bills or we'll go through with the impeachment."

Trump is walking on thin ice. He got out-chessed within the first month or two of his presidency.

If you recall... early last year Julian Assange said that he knew of a plan that Hillary had with some high level officials to get Pence into the president's seat. Pence is easily beatable in 2020.

Rosenstein, Mueller, Wray and McCabe all work for the Democrats.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville January 27, 2018 11:05 PM  

@30 Congress runs on money. The EO is cutting all the funding strings. The cancer is getting starved. Then it is going to get nuked with some of these bastards getting tribunals. Q was dropping links to DOJ documents confirming the POTUS' right as commander in chief to detain and try apart from DOJ's realm anyone deemed an enemy combatant. http://www.endusmilitarism.org/PDF/military_detention_of_US_citizens_and_18_USC_4001a.pdf

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother January 27, 2018 11:08 PM  

Jeff and Lazarus,

I've never heard of the military recruiting Trump to run. Do you have any links you can share?

Anonymous ZhukovG January 28, 2018 12:10 AM  

I still give even money that Mueller is and has been President Trump's asset from the beginning.

Blogger CM January 28, 2018 12:18 AM  

I thought there were some serious, intelligent people commenting on this blog, but they must all be asleep or something. Surely, someone here is capable of understanding my point, and of telling me what I am not understanding, or what I have wrong. Try to focus, dammit.

It's politics. I share your frustration, but it would be a massacre if he did, even if justified. Others better than I have outlined it.

It is unjust, corrupt, frustrating, and disempowering, but I trust Trump can weather this and get Mueller to hang himself. In many ways, Comey did that. We may have a SC, but Comey looked worse in that than Trump.

I'm hoping and praying Trump has a thread to follow. You should to. It keeps your head above water.

Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 28, 2018 2:42 AM  

C'mon mate, it takes time and effort to get a bunch of Hollyweird screen writers to "replace" the lost texts ...

Blogger Gospace January 28, 2018 3:05 AM  

I went to https://qcodefag.github.io/ and followed some of the links to 8chan.

And am now wondering how anyone can figure out the meaning of anything posted there...

Blogger wired216 January 28, 2018 12:30 PM  

Autism.

Blogger Akulkis January 28, 2018 9:48 PM  

Weaponized.

Blogger James Dixon January 29, 2018 11:35 AM  

> Unless the NSA has a built in back door... they are not breaking into Signal.

Agreed, but that's a big unless.

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