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Monday, January 08, 2018

Never trust a moderate

They aren't on your side and the Arab logic of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" does not apply to them, because they are not truly the enemy of the Left. They are the Left's lapdogs and they absolutely love to signal their virtue by attacking anyone seen by others as being "on their side."

I wish I could say it was surprising. Ever since I created Alt★Hero, people were telling me that I should get in touch with the Diversity & Comics guy, that he was "really good on SJWs" and so forth. I was dubious but I followed him on Twitter and sent him an email about the Freestartr campaign, and it soon became evident that he was as useless as Mitch McConnell. Sure enough, he eventually revealed his true moderate colors.
Ethan Van Scriver
Some Alt Right individuals are condemning me for helping to create so many "diverse" characters while also seeming to be against SJW comics. Well, dudes, quiet down. I believe in creating representative characters. They simply need to be good. Mine are. So Pbbbbblt!

Seth Englehardt
I remember arguing against one of those. Dude thought that the Alt-Hero Kickstarter was precisely what I wanted from comics. No, we don't want political propaganda from ANY side.

Ethan Van Scriver
Alt Hero is a mess. Dude raised so much money from people wanting less Far Left Wing politics in comics and he wants to spend it to create Far Right Wing comics? How about just good comics?? Why does everything have to be aggressively agitating?

Diversity & Comics
ALT*HERO is RE*TARDED
They're such quality critics, they don't even need to wait for anything to be released in order to criticize it. And to think people wonder why I simply ignore everything these type of people advise. (Before you say something patently absurd, please understand that people often email things to me. I've never even heard of the other two guys.)

As for the "representative characters" argument, that's one of the proto-SJW arguments. It's so old that I remember it being used by early SJWs to justify statistically improbable appearances by minorities in college yearbooks back in the 1990s. The best example of this was when the University of Wisconsin-Madison actually photoshopped a black student into a photograph used in their application materials back in 2000; they wanted an image that would be "representative."

But speaking of comics, we will have not one, not two, but THREE related announcements later today. Which is to say, if you are a Castalia House Book Club member, check your email... but don't discuss it here.

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Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club January 08, 2018 5:21 AM  

The bane of the "moderates" has long been with us: "Dante and his guide hear the anguished screams of the Uncommitted. These are the souls of people who in life took no sides; the opportunists who were for neither good nor evil, but merely concerned with themselves."

Blogger The Observer January 08, 2018 5:23 AM  

I saw Jon get into that kerfuffle on twitter. He was keeping a stiff upper lip, but I think all of it got to him.

Van Scriver was repeatedly attacked by SJWs last year, even had a pizza place where he was doing signings get vandalised because he was there, and in the end he still cucked. No matter how much abuse they take from the other side, moderates aren't going to turn while the left looks like the strong horse.

But speaking of comics, we will have not one, not two, but THREE related announcements later today.

Now that looks promising.

Anonymous GodEmperorMemes January 08, 2018 5:26 AM  

Moderates are just like libertarians: spineless and amoral; only concerned for themselves and unwilling to accept the stark reality of black and white morality.

Blogger SteelPalm January 08, 2018 5:31 AM  

As a fan of Diversity and Comics' channel, his Twitter response was disappointing, but I wouldn't completely write him off just yet.

In fact, months before Alt★Hero was announced, D&C would commonly say something along the lines of "like Vox Day says, SJWs always double down" and "as Vox Day says, SJWs always lie" in his videos. Clearly, he was familiar with your work and respected it, even if he is not a fan.

I think the issue here is that D&C is a HUGE follower of (dare I say lapdog?) Ethan Van Scriver and will mindlessly believe and repeat whatever Van Scriver says. And yes, Van Scriver is a pathetic moderate cuck who will never learn no matter how many times he gets shivved.

As for D&C, there is still a chance he could come around.

Anonymous Looking Glass January 08, 2018 5:42 AM  

@4 SteelPalm

He quoted "SJWs Always Lie" before Alt-Hero was announced.

As for Moderates, at some level you have to treat them like cows to be herded. They'll always seek safety within the herd, so eradicating other wings of thought has its uses.

This is related, but it just struck me. Can the Left actually produce "good" Art? They have people of fine & brilliant technical skill, but can they produce good Art? Can they produce anything that can withstand the test of time?

I ask because I'm having a hard time coming up with any "good" Art from the Left. The Left can make utterly disposable Art, for certain, but I'm not certain they can make "good" Art without using their technical skills to make Art from the Right.

Blogger VD January 08, 2018 5:47 AM  

As for D&C, there is still a chance he could come around.

That may be, but who cares? We have no need for the likes of him. Let him try to fix the Left while we build new institutions.

Blogger SteelPalm January 08, 2018 5:50 AM  

@5 Looking Glass

This is related, but it just struck me. Can the Left actually produce "good" Art? They have people of fine & brilliant technical skill, but can they produce good Art? Can they produce anything that can withstand the test of time?

They absolutely can. Stephen King's The Dark Tower series is the greatest fantasy epic I've ever read. Margaret Atwood has some absolutely brilliant works. I can come up with dozens more examples in literature and at least as many in movies.

While I don't think SJWs are capable of producing great art, leftists (even hardcore ones) can.

Blogger VD January 08, 2018 5:52 AM  

Can the Left actually produce "good" Art? They have people of fine & brilliant technical skill, but can they produce good Art? Can they produce anything that can withstand the test of time?

Certainly. Umberto Eco was a man of the Left.

Anonymous qualitycontrol January 08, 2018 5:54 AM  

>Why does everything have to be aggressively agitating?

I always thought that Alt-Hero taking shots at lefty stuff was mostly a PR campaign. I wouldn't call your display of right wing values in a Throne of Bones (great Book; read it over Christmas) aggressively agitating. But I highly doubt anyone of these guys every spend a second reading any of your books never mind your biography.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira January 08, 2018 5:54 AM  

Moderates hand you over to the radicals.

Blogger Lovekraft January 08, 2018 5:54 AM  

No big loss. Better to have found this out now, than at a point where he could do some real damage.

I'll also be watching subreddit r/wertham in action (anti-SJW comics) to see how this plays out.

D&C serves to raise awareness of SJW infiltration, but like Thunderf00t (famed anti-Sarkeesian) and Sargon, they know which side their bread's buttered on and likely don't have the freedom to burn their house down, yet.

When alt-hero comes out, the true test of D&C's objectivity is how he reviews it (if at all, but that would say something in itself).

D&C has two daughters, as he keeps reminding us: one a Muslim, one is Jewish. He has enough of his own problems to worry about than sperging out on a small political movement.

Blogger VD January 08, 2018 6:01 AM  

I highly doubt anyone of these guys every spend a second reading any of your books never mind your biography.

Of course not. They don't read actual books as far as I can tell. Which is why it will be interesting to see what they make of Wodehouse.

I realized that comics readers fall in between moviegoers and SF readers in their level of literacy when I read Sandman. It was fairly well done, but it wasn't even remotely mindblowing how Neil Gaiman ruthlessly pillaged Greek mythology... if you were sufficiently familiar with Greek mythology. Gaiman is a good writer, but he used a gimmick to make himself look brilliant.

Blogger SciVo January 08, 2018 6:14 AM  

I thought that the Berserker Orpheus was more moving than the Sandman Orpheus.

Anonymous basementhomebrewer January 08, 2018 6:17 AM  

Saw the exchange this weekend and was disappointed. He has been tilting hard moderate for the past 4 months so it wasn't much of a surprise to me. On top of being van scrivers lapdog his back was made firmer by capncummings who is now deployed and not as active online.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 08, 2018 6:17 AM  

I had much the same opinion of Diversity & Comics when I first saw his videos. While his observations were spot on, as a whole he had a weak character that lacked conviction.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch January 08, 2018 6:25 AM  

Actually, I ended up quoting VD lately, and that quote applies to Diversity & Comics, I think. (Only, he doesn't claim to be a conservative, he merely claims to be for "good taste" in comics.)

This is from Vox's
Conservatism is FEELZ:

“The amusing thing is that they consider themselves “the hard-headed realists”, but they don’t even have an ideological foundation. Their intellectual movement isn’t even built on sand! It’s built on “a state of mind”, something that is intrinsically malleable and subject to emotional manipulation. Say what you will about National Socialism, but at least it was an ethos! Conservatism is intellectual nihilism, it is an ideological void. If you are of the Right, stop calling yourself a conservative. It’s absurd. Not only has conservatism failed to conserve anything, it was as doomed from the start as the atheists attempting to fight a religious war without a religion. One can’t win a gunfight without a gun, and one can’t win a cultural war without an ideology.”

Diversity & Comics thinks he's being a hard-headed realist about the state of comics, but he has no ideological foundation. His taste is built on "a state of mind," not rationality. He is malleable and easy to emotionally manipulate. D&C lives in an ideological void, and he's fighting a religious war without a religion.

Blogger Troushers January 08, 2018 6:33 AM  

D&C is a true moderate, he always, always backs down. Despite everything that has been personally done to him, the lies that have been spread knowingly, the implied and direct threats of violence, the stalking and doxxing he has endured, he has never had the balls to hold any of them to account, and indeed continues to shill for work they produce on his channel.

His number one concern is being seen as a nice guy. Any progress to remove the SJW cancer from comics will be in spite of him, not because of him.

Blogger SciVo January 08, 2018 6:33 AM  

Just to be nice, since I'd basically made a recommendation, I tracked down the Berserker Orpheus. It's a short story called "Starsong", in Fred Saberhagen's third anthology of Berserker shorts, The Ultimate Enemy. You will probably enjoy it more if you're already familiar with the 'verse from other tales.

Anonymous Faceless January 08, 2018 6:49 AM  

What a disappointment. Well, I've unsubscribed; he's out of my life.

I guess he's got an ideology filter for what's good; he wants leftism from 1995. What a loser.

I repent of forwarding any of his videos to anyone; I won't do that again.

Blogger tuberman January 08, 2018 6:51 AM  

As to how someone like D&C will Review Alt*Hero when it comes out, we already can figure that out. He will (((niggle))). He will not find anything he likes, as he will look hard for anything to attack, take that out of context, and play up his area of attack as more "representation" of everything wrong with anything the "Alt" creates.

In less than a year, moderate comics critics such as D&C will be considered unimportant by everybody, except a few people with Muslim daughters.

What does someone like him really feelz about Christianity? Western Civilization?

This guy hates the West as much as the SJWs, and his divide from them comes from superficial differences.

Blogger Matt January 08, 2018 7:01 AM  

I remember EVS being the only non-leftist on Bendis Board. Everyone hated him.

Anonymous ZhukovG January 08, 2018 7:03 AM  

I would be very hesitant to suggest that Vox contact anyone. At this point, most of the people that matter already know who Vox is. Soon enough, those that will; will come to him or our allies.

Blogger tuberman January 08, 2018 7:06 AM  

D&C comic reviews deserve that old SJW tactic from the pro-West people, as in "Move Along Nothing to See Here."

Blogger VD January 08, 2018 7:07 AM  

I would be very hesitant to suggest that Vox contact anyone.

I'm not. It's become very evident that the entire comics media is converged. Reporters for two sites were writing stories about the unprecedented success of the crowdfunding campaign - the #1 campaign for a new comic out of more than 10,000 comics-related kickstarters. Both stories were killed by the editors.

There is no point in talking to any of them, so we won't. We'll just demonstrate how irrelevant they are.

Blogger VFM #7634 January 08, 2018 7:11 AM  

"D&C has two daughters, as he keeps reminding us: one a Muslim, one is Jewish."

@Lovekraft
That says everything we need to know about the putative man's character.

Blogger tuberman January 08, 2018 7:22 AM  

Material like the Wodehouse stories simply will not be reviewed at all by D&C, as that will be his approach to Alt*Hero Comics he does not chose to attack. "These people are stupid." Moderates as well as the other enemy.

How many moderates make a living attacking the SJWs on minor unimportant issues? Why do they avoid critical issues like the plague, and attack anyone who sheds light on the deeper issues?

Anonymous Longtime Lurker January 08, 2018 7:23 AM  

It's been said before, but a Moderate is someone who waits for the battle to end, and then comes out to shoot the wounded.

Blogger Dave January 08, 2018 7:31 AM  

Looks at email; now that's the way to start off Monday mornings.

Blogger Dire Badger January 08, 2018 7:42 AM  

The thing is, alt-right IS moderate, in the sense of 'everything in moderation'.

The current crop of those who call themselves 'moderates' are far left wing... they just don't see how straddling the line between the 'middle ground' dissident right and the psychotic far far left doesn't make them moderates, it simply makes them less successful leftists.

Blogger BassmanCO January 08, 2018 7:44 AM  

The fact that it took King a whole novel just to set up his "epic" invalidates your claim. The rest of the series may be brilliant, but I will never know because King spent his first book with Roland doing NOTHING of value. Too good anwriter to get away with that. I had zero interest in the rest of the series.

Blogger SteelPalm January 08, 2018 7:44 AM  

@19 As to how someone like D&C will Review Alt*Hero when it comes out, we already can figure that out. He will (((niggle))). He will not find anything he likes, as he will look hard for anything to attack, take that out of context, and play up his area of attack as more "representation" of everything wrong with anything the "Alt" creates.

If nothing else, D&C will give Alt★Hero a fair shake. He might disavow the creators, but his one constant is that he will judge a comic objectively.

@24 VFM #7634

The guy is obviously flawed and has made his share of mistakes in life. At the same time...he has at least 3 children, served for 15 years in the US Marines, and does a fine job mocking SJWs and SJW comic creators. He also approvingly quoted Vox Day a few months ago; that three-word Tweet is the first time he has engaged in shooting at the right.

It's fair to criticize him, but objectively, the guy has done more for the West and the nationalist right than the vast majority of us.

@18 Faceless I guess he's got an ideology filter for what's good; he wants leftism from 1995. What a loser.

This might well be true, though. At the same time, in 1995 the Clintons were talking about "superpredators" and halting the flow of criminal invaders from Mexico. I'm not even sure if the God-Emperor would have run (or won) if affairs had remained in roughly the same state as they were 23 years ago.

Blogger VD January 08, 2018 7:53 AM  

If nothing else, D&C will give Alt★Hero a fair shake. He might disavow the creators, but his one constant is that he will judge a comic objectively.

We will see. But it's remarkably stupid to claim that the #1 crowdfunded new comic in comics history is retarded. That sort of thing immediately puts people on my ignore list... and would have in this case if I hadn't already reached that conclusion.

People are still VERY reluctant to accept that they are in a cultural war. Whereas I get reminders of that literally every single day in the form of some variety of SJW attack; I've already had to deal with one this morning. So, you'll understand that I am not inclined to spare any thoughts for the moderates.

Anonymous Jack January 08, 2018 7:56 AM  

@Vox

As someone who grew up on comic books of the 50s and 60s (in their 70s and 80s reprints) I must say that the name and logo for Arkhaven Comics is PERFECTION.

Anonymous DDT January 08, 2018 7:58 AM  

D&C disappointed me with that tweet. Knocking a book even before it's out, based on no information other than "Vox Day is involved" and "it's a right-wing comic", is dumb.

On the upside, I have a feeling he won't review it if it's good, because I don't think he has it in him to maliciously mock a book just because he disagrees with the author. I've been watching his videos for a while now, and the most impressive thing about his deliver is that his observations are on-target. Yeah, he'll make fun of the purse puppy characters, the statistically improbable lesbians, how horrible and stereotype-like the characters are, etc. But he'll make points about plot and writing that are apt. I've never seen him tear something apart just to tear it apart, and I have seen him compliment books and writing from people he was otherwise in twitter fights with.

Van Scriver, though, is just being absurd. First off, he acts like Alt*Hero got a quarter mill in kickstarting money and then suddenly decided "We're going to have some political topics touched on, guys!" and everyone was stunned. That kickstarter had a political orientation before it even began. Everyone knew. *That's why it did so well.* Because people want right-wing entertainment too.

That "too" is important. I don't need politics in everything I read or play. But the idea of "what we REALLY want is politics out of entertainment COMPLETELY" is stupid. Marvel, like it or not, has been political for ages. What differs now is how you have weird SJW creators outright burning characters down and giving them SJW replacements. They don't care about good stories anymore, they care exclusively about SJW checkmarks, and the authors literally hate any right-wing fans and say as much.

Yes, I want right-wing content. I want Alt*Hero. I want heroism and entertainment that lines up with my values. I don't even want to deny it to people who have other values. Maybe that shit will be entertaining even if I disagree. But I want entertainment written with messages I agree with, by authors I know don't hate me because I'm right-wing.

Anyway, D&C was disappointing here. But he's been encouraging and (more importantly) fun and on-target elsewhere. Hopefully that continues.

Blogger tuberman January 08, 2018 8:18 AM  

If D%C critic was any good at all, he would have done research, as there is plenty of material to do just that. Vox and other major people working on Alt*Hero have great histories with their works, and easy to find, easy to see, and read. VD's and Jon's books, the Batman with Bane, etc. is obviously accessible.

The fact hat he has ignored all this makes him at the very least Sloppy and Lazy, yet it is more than that...he is a Moderate. We know about moderates, like Ben Shapiro, who has also Done tons for the West too, and in exactly the same way.

Blogger Nakota Publishing January 08, 2018 8:19 AM  

I follow D&C and I'm really disappointed to hear that he's dissing Alt*Hero without having seen it. I know he doesn't like politics in comics but almost everything has SOME political sub-text. That doesn't mean D&C's reviews haven't been valuable. He's helped me understand that many of these SJW fanatics are just cynical opportunists. I honestly think that "Maggs" character he's mentioned put on a dress just to get hired. And it worked!

Blogger Quilp January 08, 2018 8:22 AM  

I gave him a shot. I thought he was an insipid creation of Youtube that kept reminding his audience, ala John Kerry, that he is a veteran who got a lot of email from his audience telling him what he should talk about. I almost fell asleep. Snark for the goofy.

Anonymous E Deploribus Unum January 08, 2018 8:29 AM  

Somewhere around here I have Frank Miller's Holy Terror hardcover. THAT's political propaganda from the right. Amusing but useless for anyone but his hardcore fans.

I do not expect Alt★Hero will be anything like that. Vox knows his audience, and he knows how to write without beating people over the head.

Blogger tuberman January 08, 2018 8:43 AM  

In the end, it will be the Culture Wars that will be important, and the "moderates" will chose wrong.

Blogger tuberman January 08, 2018 9:02 AM  

"I do not expect Alt★Hero will be anything like that. Vox knows his audience, and he knows how to write without beating people over the head."

The Overton Window will change so much in the next year that "beating people over the head" will likely change. Just getting the message out will require some extremes. Watch for the "Extreme Memes, but backed by Sauce (provable Truth) coming to your eyes soon, even on mainstream TV.

Finnigan's Wake, "It's about to roll wholly over."

Anonymous qualitycontrol January 08, 2018 9:13 AM  

@34. tuberman
(((Ben Shapiro))) is a member of the (((tribe))). He thinks Miles Morales is a good character whose main flaw is the replacement of Peter Parker. What do you expect?

Anonymous Avalanche January 08, 2018 9:20 AM  

@11 "D&C has two daughters, as he keeps reminding us: one a Muslim, one is Jewish."

Whiskey tango hilo?!?!

Blogger B.J. January 08, 2018 9:37 AM  

D&C is being oddly hypocritical here. He talks often about how Marvel comics represented the "world outside your window" and dealt with real-world concepts and events. Marvel comics often touched on current wars, politics, social themes, etc. The issue with current Marvel is that they're not reflecting current events, but rather current propaganda.

So here comes Alt hero doing exactly what he says, but it's bad because it's "too political." Dumbass

Blogger Bogey January 08, 2018 9:43 AM  

How about just good comics?

Indeed, and some push back is also good.

Looks like a gut check and these dudes just don't have the stomach for it. We will judge their criticism accordingly.

Anonymous Gecko January 08, 2018 10:10 AM  

Dude raised so much money from people wanting less Far Left Wing politics in comics and he wants to spend it to create Far Right Wing comics?

I gave my money hoping for Far Right Wing comics. Just sayin'.

Anonymous Rigel Kent January 08, 2018 10:21 AM  

D&C liked The Last Jedi. What else needs to be said?

Blogger Wuzzums Fuzzums January 08, 2018 10:28 AM  

There is no principle behind his words. He is a non-SJW version of Linkara. In his channel he critiques comics he doesn't like on how bad the art is, and critiques the comics he likes on how good the art is. And there is no consistency because plenty of times he calls good art bad and bad art good. Here is a link to his "magnum opus" Jawbreakers created fully by him: https://twitter.com/diversityandcmx/status/896181725642072065?lang=en

The man is literally blind when it comes to critiquing comics or movies because quite frankly he is a superficial thinker. He likes the comic he made therefore he is under the impression it is objectively good. If you download it you can see it's virtually unreadable from a visual and narrative standpoint. Also listen to his Last Jedi review to understand the depth of the knowledge he has on these things.

His formula for videos is "I like X. Why? Because X is objectively good. I don't like Y. Why? Because Y is objectively bad."

He may not be a forerunner but he is an accurate example of your basic pop-culture consumer.

Considering he called Alt*Hero retarded he already made his decision ahead of time. It won't matter how good Alt*Hero is, how well received it will be, how attacked it will be by SJWs, how good the art will be, or how good the story will be, D&C will sill attack it. He has found his niche and won't venture out lest he lose his patreons. Because he took a shot at it and saw no repercussions it is highly likely he will take another shot.

If his fans are won over by Alt*Hero so will he.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 08, 2018 10:32 AM  

Representative characters? That reminds me of the all the grandiose hoopla surrounding the Clinton Administration's cabinet picks. They wanted an administration that "Looked like America!" And then the straightaway unveiled the strangest assortment of freaks ever witnessed theretofore in American politics.

Blogger Brad Matthews January 08, 2018 10:51 AM  

What a tool. I emailed him for you as well. Sorry.
If you want something done right...
"Diversity" in his title. Should have seen it a mile away.

Blogger ((( bob kek mando ))) - ( the Original Militant Apathist ) January 08, 2018 10:57 AM  

Ethan Van Scriver
Dude raised so much money from people wanting less Far Left Wing politics in comics and he wants to spend it to create Far Right Wing comics?



i'm *sure* Van Scriver also inveighs against Jack London and George Orwell for writing politically oriented fiction, right?

and someone of the Right like Ayn Rand? right out. wouldn't be caught dead with some Nazi fascist White Supremacist piece of trash like her.

cuz we're BETTER than that, don't you know?

Blogger rondolf January 08, 2018 11:02 AM  

Too bad there wasn't a way for VD to license out the criticism of SJW's, afiel he practically invented. Too allow some ungrateful choad like D&C to plant on soil that's already plowed is irritating as hell. At the very least he could acknowledge Vox's work without pre-emptively disavowing Alt-hero. F' him.

Blogger wisdom wizard January 08, 2018 11:07 AM  

Found out what that guy said from the Moderate Hive that is Kiwi Farms.

Blogger VD January 08, 2018 11:13 AM  

"Diversity" in his title. Should have seen it a mile away.

Bingo. Any time you see someone upholding one pillar of social justice and condemning all the others, recognize that they will stand by that pillar through thick and thin. Most of the time, it's due to an identity complication of one sort or another.

Too bad there wasn't a way for VD to license out the criticism of SJW's, afiel he practically invented.

Wait a few weeks....

Anonymous Brick Hardslab January 08, 2018 11:15 AM  

The guy lives and works in the N.Y. art community. He doesn't want to live in a cardboard box eating rescue mission ramen by himself.

Plus he's got several kids to take care of. How you do that by being a real conservative in N.Y. is beyond me. Now he chose to live and work there but that's his world.

Blogger JohnofAustria January 08, 2018 11:17 AM  

Of course the most fucking infuriating thing about all of that is that left-wing values and agendas are literally baked into every major media source but if you point that out you are the crackpot. But you're also not allowed to make things with your own philosophical framework

Anonymous Nathan January 08, 2018 11:26 AM  

D&C has been useful in debunking via anecdote the idea of representation being a successful strategy for sales. He and EVS have yet to propose a viable alternative. "Good comics" isn't exactly a useful benchmark for a creator. Perhaps relatibility is tied to the struggles a character faces, as others have proposed. What is certain, however, is that appealing to the narcissism of the media fanatic for sales is a losing strategy.

Anonymous Sunderr January 08, 2018 11:29 AM  

I'm not even barley surprised, it only took me a few seconds of looking into his channel to realize he's not on our side.

Good thing there's capable people behind Alt*Hero, because if this was being made by someone else, they would have made a serious mistake by now.

Anonymous Peter B January 08, 2018 12:01 PM  

DDT wrote:

That "too" is important. I don't need politics in everything I read or play. But the idea of "what we REALLY want is politics out of entertainment COMPLETELY" is stupid. Marvel, like it or not, has been political for ages. What differs now is how you have weird SJW creators outright burning characters down and giving them SJW replacements. They don't care about good stories anymore, they care exclusively about SJW checkmarks, and the authors literally hate any right-wing fans and say as much.

Yes, I want right-wing content. I want Alt*Hero. I want heroism and entertainment that lines up with my values. I don't even want to deny it to people who have other values. Maybe that shit will be entertaining even if I disagree. But I want entertainment written with messages I agree with, by authors I know don't hate me because I'm right-wing.



I'm old enough to have bought this really cool comic book at the drugstore before I sat down at the soda counter. There was this new story with this guy who got bitten by a radioactive spider...

My very progressive pediatrician had Tintin and Sgt. Rock in the waiting room.

It was just comics.

Everything was politicized beginning in the 1960s. Well, it probably started with the CPUSA in the '30s and the Communist screenwriters in Hollywood.

By the '60s, there was a burgeoning PR industry targeting high school and college aged kids, selling them on the newest musicians, the latest fads. And by the late '60s there was a hard Left leadership cadre in place on the campuses (I've always wondered where the money came from.)

A sound response from University administrations and faculty would almost certainly have stripped off the majority of kids who were just following along, at which point the cadres would have been more isolated.

As Governor, Ronald Reagan showed what might have been possible had it been undertaken earlier, but his predecessor, Edmund G. "Pat" Brown, was not the man to do that.

The New Left broke with the CPUSA because it thought the Old Left's war on America was ineffectual and the Communists were stodgy and puritanical.

They politicized everything. It has been war ever since. It is no longer possible to have "just a comic book." That was taken from you by the enemy.

Just be aware that calling yourself "right wing" is at bottom accepting your enemy's designation of you. It may well be a tactical necessity to flaunt it. But "do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory..."

Note that Tolkien does not say that the warrior has no glory, nor does he say not to honor him appropriately.

Those are appropriate expressions of gratitude to the warrior, but they should come from a place of "I love only that which they defend.”

OpenID gnossoss January 08, 2018 12:36 PM  

I concluded the same after a while, same with Doug Ernst. They're decent guys and some of their stuff is good, but they can't get past Dems are the Real Racists and that sort of weak stuff. (Both are military, so I think they get the enforced homogeneity and extrapolate it to society in a way that doesn't apply.)

D&C is irritating with his "I'm not homophobic/transphobic, I have lots of gay/trans fans!" Screw people who say that crap. The implication is that if someone else didn't have a bunch of fans from X group, they would be racist/sexist/homphobic/whatever. It's throwing others under the bus to protect yourself, it's cowardly.

If what you say is right, it doesn't matter who follows it, even if they're all the dreaded white males. Makes me see how critical it is for the Alt-Right that "We don't care."

OpenID gnossoss January 08, 2018 12:45 PM  

As for the "don't politicize everything" argument, I was thinking: what makes something not political? Agreement. Homogeneity.

In the 50's, there was no argument about Christianity being central because essentially everyone agreed. There was no "war on Christmas" because everyone agreed, and those on the margins were too few to affect the behavior of society as a whole.

So when people complain about everything being politicized, they're really complaining about a lack of homogeneity. You can stop arguing about things when everyone in the group who gets to make a case agrees.

So basically segregation/deportation is the only possible way to depoliticize issues, the very thing the same people constantly oppose. If they refuse to see that, they're on the wrong side.

Of course D&C has identity issues that make him not want to see it, as so many do.

Blogger papabear January 08, 2018 12:47 PM  

Seems like moderate = someone afraid of being financially impacted by publicly adhering to badthink.

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 08, 2018 12:59 PM  

Any guesses as to how much tastemaking clout the Diversity and Comics channel has?

Blogger S. Misanthrope January 08, 2018 1:19 PM  

Not surprised about D&C, although I tweeted at him myself to take a look at Alt*Hero just in case he wasn't a cuck. He's of course being hypocritical as well. Multiple times he has said that he doesn't mind there being a political angle, he minds that there are bad characters and bad stories and nothing but politics or inappropriately inserted politics in these SJW books. The key is integration of plot and theme, which Alt*Hero has so far demonstrated a good understanding of.

Really what's happening is D&C wants to suck up to Ethan so he can finally prove he has pros on his side. Many pros do support D&C but aren't willing to do so publicly. And Ethan is clearly a zombie if he believes the Alt*Hero campaign somehow misrepresented itself as merely "not far left." From the very first panel released, before the first dollar was raised, it was clear it was going to be VDare - the comic. Ethan's just butthurt that such a thing is more popular than his happy-medium "representative" comics.

Oh well, onward and upward, Alt*Hero!

Blogger tublecane January 08, 2018 1:45 PM  

@12-I felt the same way when I read Watchmen, which is the only "graphic novel" I ever read. It's supposed to be *the* comic book masterpiece, and was even included in the NYT list of the 100 best English-language novels since 1923 (when the NYT was founded, I guess). Not that the NYT isn't into regularly embarrassing itself, but they at least want to look respectable. The rest of the list isn't very clickbait-y. (Though it does contain junk, it's respectable junk, in novel form. Or more or less novel form, like Infinite Jest.)

As I read it, I thought it was entertaining enough, I suppose. There are probably a lot of references I didn't get, but it was just a comic book story, mostly told in images and easy dialogue, as you'd expect. I actually thought the movie version had a smarter climax.

The interstitial material, where it broke comic format and tried to be a memoir or whatever, was embarrassingly amateurish. At least from a "greatest novel" perspective. Whoever wrote it had no idea how to write that sort of thing, and sounded like a college freshman at best.

As was my assumption, there was hardly any literary value to this allegedly mightiest of "graphic novel" achievements. Which is fine. Great movies, for instance, don't have to have the quality of High Art, either.

Anonymous BBGKB January 08, 2018 1:48 PM  

when the University of Wisconsin-Madison actually photoshopped a black student into a photograph used in their application materials back in 2000

What are the odds that there are more posters of blacks donating blood than actual blacks who donated blood?

Anonymous CarpeOro January 08, 2018 2:08 PM  

I occasionally view some YouTube anti-sjw comic commentary and had seen a couple of Dieversity and Comics entries. Seemed to moderate and "reasonable" in them (there is no reasoning with evil).

Blogger tublecane January 08, 2018 2:23 PM  

Why do these people say "dude" so often? Are they ninja turtles?

I don't believe them when they say they don't want political propaganda from any side, though they may mean something different by "propaganda" than the dictionary definition. It's appropriate, I suppose, to say "They simply need to be good" or "How about just good comics??" Because you should want them to be good. But whence derives this idea that politics corrupts good storytelling? That's the implication I'm drawing.

Part of the problem is that it's everywhere, and they may want neutral ground where they need not encounter it. Which may be impossible in the middle of a Culture War. If that's where you find yourself, and you're not committed to either side, the only freshness you're going to get is from unfamiliar politics. Which in this case would be rightist politics.

These "dudes," if they're not simply looking for better leftist politics--which might easily be the case--remind me of official Cold War aesthetics. The Soviets produced bland art, but it was always more explicitly in furtherance of the political cause. Or I should say political causes. Because at first they promoted the avant-garde, then they switched to social realism. Presumably because they needed to drop the idea of "permanent revolution" in order not to collapse as a nation.

The U.S., on the other hand, though it did promote anti-commie stuff--often by "former" commies--went in for neutral stuff. Like Abstract Expressionism, which was meaningless. Or, if the art had to have content, it would be as flat and devoid of ideas as possible. Though still promoting the American Way and the capitalist system by suggestion.

Blogger tublecane January 08, 2018 2:44 PM  

@5-Leftists absolutely can produce great art. For instance, and off the top of my head, Wagner and Orwell.

What might be tripling you up is the undeniable fact that when suddenly all artists at least appear to turn leftward, art starts sucking. That happened with modernism. Though many prominent modernists were reactionaries, there clearly was a connection between modernism and leftism. Certainly in the worst examples of modernism. There's an even stronger connection within postmodernism. And a stronger connection still with PC art.

We talk a lot about convergence, and this is an example. There's an aesthetic tipping point in any artistic movement, as with institutions and organizations, after reaching which things fall apart. They live off capital at best, and are pure destruction at worst.

Unlike people's conception of the lone genius struggling against Fate, actual good art needs culture. That is, accumulated past achievement and a sense of common purpose in something. If not in an official school, at least with an informed public and fellow artists looking for the same things. There are no Beethovens born on isolated farms inventing classical music for themselves. They need to wait for the Monteverdies, Bachs, Haydns, and Mozarts to happen, and for Vienna to exist. Which may be less true for other art genres, and there are if course exceptions. But you can't rule by the exception.

In any case, we know what leftist culture is like. Modernism sold itself as an attempt to get away from mere convention--or "kitsch"--to find the ever-lasting forms, and to make "art for art's sake" instead of being beholden to masters, the marketplace, the state, the academy, etc. What it amounted to in practice at least appeared to be whatever regular people don't like. That's the only unifying principle I can find. That, and underlying nihilism. (Despite superficial "engagement.")

Forget "mere" convention. They deconstructed all convention, step by step. And you can't have culture without convention. Which means you can't have High Art, in my opinion. Though you can have the rare individual achievement like a flash of lighting out of the blue.

Blogger Ceerilan January 08, 2018 3:37 PM  

Gamergate has shown that the press is more converged than industry, which is far more converged than the fanbase. Just like alternative industries, alternative press is important due to the bifurcation of society. Finding a sustainable financial model is crucial to it's success.

Anonymous CarpeOro January 08, 2018 3:38 PM  

@64
I was partial to Jack London, though never a fan of his politics. If you read Martin Eden carefully you could see he didn't have much regard for the professional leftist either.

Anonymous Ominous Cowherd January 08, 2018 3:59 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@11 "D&C has two daughters, as he keeps reminding us: one a Muslim, one is Jewish."

Whiskey tango hilo?!?!


Probably their religions came with their men, and their men were probably chosen on the basis of ``this will piss off daddy.''

It doesn't speak well of his ... well, doesn't speak well of his anything. Probably a weak father, henpecked husband, and so on. I wonder whether either daughter can bench press more than he can? Does he have an enormous lawn and a dress?

Blogger tublecane January 08, 2018 5:20 PM  

@66-I like London's stories, too. He wasn't merely leftist, but a syndicalist as well. His politics were literally insane.

That is, if you were intent on preserving civilization. If, however, you wished everything to burn, I suppose they're perfectly rational.

Blogger VFM #4388 January 08, 2018 9:09 PM  

D&C strikes me as a reasonable sort of guy who would be really great at building bridges as society rebuilds. But not suited to the war, not able to admit to himself that the war exists, and therefore philosophically forced to assume that anyone participating in the war is an extremist trying to start a war.

I want to live in D&C's fantasy world. Sadly, however, the commies are actively trying to kill me and mine and, as the Warrior Monk noted, the enemy gets a vote on whether the war is over.

And, in the trenches, the last guy you need in your foxhole is the one who refuses to acknowledge that shots have been and are being fired.

Anonymous Godfrey January 08, 2018 9:58 PM  

Just write a good story with characters with depth and everything else will follow. Ayn Rand could get away writing overtly political fiction, but most other writers can't. And frankly I never connected with Rand's characters. I connected with her message, not the characters.



Anonymous Naga January 08, 2018 10:37 PM  

D&C is a moderate Marine? He kills for no particular reason? I just want to know where he is so I can avoid him. Goofballs are like this everytime.

Blogger roughcoat January 08, 2018 11:09 PM  

EVS is in denial.

"TFW Vox Day condemns me and @DiversityAndCmx and as “moderates.”

😂"

"Extremists: Our hobby isn’t your cultural battleground. You’re ruining comics. Go away."

Comics are not a cultural battleground? What the fuck do you call it?

Dude's an amazing artist but he's worse than useless in this fight. I have very little patience with people who refuse to recognize that war is nothing something you can just opt out of. You fight, or you die. Choose.

Anonymous 10900209 January 08, 2018 11:48 PM  

I stopped following the Diversity & Comics guy when I heard him talking about his "muslim daughter." He's a manchild raising another man's daughter in the religion of the invading enemy raping the West and whining about comic books. Not a strong ally to anyone.

Anonymous Sunnybutt January 09, 2018 2:03 AM  

It was his first novel, written while younger than me (gosh!) given a fresh coat a paint and thrown into the world.

How would you define "doing something of value" in a novel, BassmanCO? Because Roland goes a lot of places, and does things marginally more exciting than sitting in my secondhand armchair, and lets us watch. Am I missing something important?

Anonymous Sunnybutt January 09, 2018 2:06 AM  

Remember your r/K theory, grasshopper. Anything that isn't far-left is excessively triggering.

Anonymous Sunnybutt January 09, 2018 2:12 AM  

RIGHT!?

See, this is something that some folks in my educated society do and it darn near makes me eyes bleed - people who look for an enlightened middle ground between reality and madness.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit January 09, 2018 4:46 AM  

Have you considered that it might be Just You?

The Vox Day reputation only overlaps with the reality of Castalia House and neither are well known to normies except as vaguely-defined bogey-men.

If you're serious about reaching out to a potentially friendly N00b, use a mutually acceptable intermediary. Think medieval fiefdoms in different countries vs the Caliphate.

"If we do not hang together, we must surely will all hang separately."



Anonymous Post Alley Crackpot January 09, 2018 5:30 PM  

Nota bene to EVS: have you housebroken your ensemble zoo menagerie of quota-filling characters today?

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