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Tuesday, January 23, 2018

Tango 2 is down


We've added three new rewards and one new stretch goal at the Will Caligan campaign. If you've already backed, you can now add on an additional paperback, hardcover, or the works for Book #2.

UPDATE: Megan Fox has posted a story about the campaign at PJ Media. Apparently the SJWs have launched a counter-campaign of sorts.

And the following exchange should suffice to demonstrate why the campaign really matters. Ethan van Sciver interviews Marvel artist Jon Malin about increased convergence in the comics industry:
JM: I've got editors going behind my back and changing stuff because they're bowing down to other freaking ideologues that are out there. And then my books are coming out changed? This is not good. This is not cool. We're castrating a book like Cable because some social justice warrior can't handle a boob on a cover? Is that person the audience for Cable? Are they the one whose going to be going out there and grabbing the muscle-bound white male patriarchy? No! But we're bowing down to them, we're letting them affect our sales, we're letting everything tumble away and nobody wants to say anything anymore. Everyone is afraid because people on the far left, they're lying silent, they're vipers in the grass. They don't have to fire me, they just don't have to hire me back again.

I'm glad you're in. I'm glad that you got in at a time when you were able to build that career. But the next guy like me, it's just going to be even harder. Because these people are getting further and further into control of these companies.

When they find out you're a Trump supporter, you're gone. Because they said it. They said they're going to do it. If you vote for Trump, whether he wins or loses, we will remember who you are. This is straight from an editor at one of the Big Two.

How do we fight against that?

EVS: Well, look, this is your fight, Jon.

I don't want it to be my fight. I want it to be the comics journalists fight. Where are these assholes at? It's so disgusting that this industry has gotten so low in sales. Everyone is ignoring it. And fans are being ignored, they're being told off, not only by editorial but by creators.

This isn't Jon's fight. It certainly isn't the comics journalists' fight; they are on the other side. This is a fight for everyone, of the Left and of the Right, who doesn't want to be totally controlled by the social justice warriors. This is for everyone who wants to be able to write what he wants to write, to draw what he wants to draw, and to tell the stories that he wants to tell without facing immediate disemployment and permanent blackballing from the industry.

This is the GamerGate situation on steroids. It is as if all the game developers teamed up with the game journos against the gamers rather than quietly siding with the gamers.

Everyone to the left of me desperately wants to believe that a line will somehow be drawn between them and the evil crimethinkers of the extreme right. But Chuck Dixon, Will Caligan, and Jon Malin all demonstrate that the line will always and continuously move leftward until every individual and organization in the comics industry are forced to converge to the highest abstract standard of social and distributive justice in the utmost degree.

That is the goal. Since 1861, that has always been the goal.

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106 Comments:

Blogger Silly but True January 23, 2018 10:03 AM  

Anti-Malin Twitter enlightened me to the world of Dark City alt-right being a thing.

It's not enough to just be red-pilled any longer. They can still persecute you and destroy your life even if you're aware.

The new goal is to tune.

This is what VD clearly has been doing I think beginning with Castalia House.

Tune: have the power to make the fallen world into your own. To be anti-fragile in the parts of the world that _are_ out to get you.

Blogger DJ | AMDG January 23, 2018 10:05 AM  

It’s a real privilege to be a small part of this. Add-on Book2 is a go for me. These hardcovers and all the hardcovers of the previous campaign will make a great display on my comic shelves.

Anonymous Gurpgork January 23, 2018 10:07 AM  

7,5k for 1 book, 7,5k for coloring.
10k for the second book, 10k for coloring.
15k for third book.

What causes the incremental cost?

Anonymous Killua January 23, 2018 10:11 AM  

Make Comics Great Again

You are doing awesome work Vox. Keep it up!

Blogger Lazarus January 23, 2018 10:12 AM  

Classical liberals like Dave Rubin of the Rubin Report are getting it. Cucks are not.

Blogger KingTooter January 23, 2018 10:22 AM  

The only way you fight these cowards is to "SNUFF" them. Period. Is that too severe? They will not stop or back down until their asses are terminated. Sorry, that's the f-cking truth.

Blogger wreckage January 23, 2018 10:22 AM  

The fear of SJW witch hunts has gotten to the point that Vox's... extremism? not quite the word, but close... is actually a "virtue signal". People can be confident he's not going to flip on them.

It's not WHY he does it, but it's worth noting that he stands to capitalize on it, and he is a sly, sly fox.

Blogger wreckage January 23, 2018 10:25 AM  

@6, their supply chains are what you need to break. Remember, people who don't know talk tactics, people who think they know talk strategy, and people who really know talk logistics.

This economic war against SJWs is far more important, and far more effective, than ad-hoc violence can ever be.

Blogger The Kurgan January 23, 2018 10:26 AM  

Doing God's work Vox.
Bless you, you Aztec savage, you!

Anonymous Faceless January 23, 2018 10:29 AM  

I've only learned of this EVS guy through your posts; he is the poster boy for The Secret King. Brave Sir Ethan runs away after telling you what you should have done probably.

Blogger The Deuce January 23, 2018 10:37 AM  

#7: Good point. I wouldn't want to ally with Ethan in this fight because I wouldn't trust him to have my back and not throw me overboard in order curry favor with the SJWs in the end.

He said it himself: "I don't want it to be my fight." He doesn't want to stand up to SJWs, he doesn't want to fight them. He wants to hold on to this illusion that "reasonable people" will all just get together and agree to be reasonable together, including most ludicrously the solidly-leftist comics journalists.

And that means he won't stand up to defend guys lower on the totem pole who are being destroyed by SJWs. He won't fight for them, because he doesn't want to rock his own boat too much, or give up his vain hope that the left will just suddenly stop acting so totalitarian and everything can go back to "normal."

Vox may be "extreme," but I know for absolute certain that he won't back down or leave someone hanging in vain hopes of engendering goodwill with people who have none. And that means he'll have no allies willing to fight for him when the SJWs come knocking down his door. In the end, Ethan will either throw in with the "extremists" or he'll go down in isolation.

Blogger The Deuce January 23, 2018 10:37 AM  

Edit: When I said "And that means he'll have no allies willing to fight for him when the SJWs come knocking down his door" I'm referring to Ethan, not Vox

Anonymous Kat January 23, 2018 10:40 AM  

Gurpgork wrote:7,5k for 1 book, 7,5k for coloring.

10k for the second book, 10k for coloring.

15k for third book.

What causes the incremental cost?


My guess would be because they're all already donating/steeply discounting their work/time. So more interest = more books = more uncompensated/lower compensated time. From that perspective increased compensation for the Arkhaven crew for a larger project makes sense (IMO).

Blogger Mr.MantraMan January 23, 2018 10:58 AM  

Has the EVS guy ever tried his moderate shtick on the SJW? Other than that I think it a bit worn and useless to even listen to the dude.

Blogger Cato January 23, 2018 11:02 AM  

Whats the significance of 1861? the inauguration of Lincoln?

Blogger D.J. January 23, 2018 11:05 AM  

Mr. Caligan, I hope you're enjoying this as much as we are.

Blogger James Dixon January 23, 2018 11:12 AM  

> Whats the significance of 1861? the inauguration of Lincoln?

Probably the start of the Civil War.

Blogger wreckage January 23, 2018 11:13 AM  

@15 I think it's the date of Mill's formulation of "social justice"?

Blogger #7139 January 23, 2018 11:15 AM  

@15 Cato

1861 is the publication date for Utilitarianism by John Stuart Mill. Vox is quoting Mill in the last sentence of the preceding paragraph.

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 11:18 AM  

What causes the incremental cost?

I'm not going to ask people who are generously contributing their time for free or at a steep discount to continue doing so. It's one thing to write 24 or 48 pages of script for free, or to color three covers. It's another thing to commit to 300 pages or 12 covers for free.

We set the initial goals at an absolute minimum to make sure Mr. Caligan got some work. As the goals stretch, we're going to start paying the contributors closer to their normal rates. In fact, one reason that the success of this startled the industry SJWs is that they know what those normal rates are and therefore how much those who are involved are contributing in kind.

Anonymous a deplorable rubberducky January 23, 2018 11:18 AM  

Moderates hate the fire fights, they want to stay out of them. They seem to cling to this Magic Pendulum Theory or something, that things will right themselves in time on the their own. So you get guys like EVS who express unhappiness with the current state of affairs -- but unwillingness to do what's necessary to change things or even understand the dynamics around them.

That's not to pick on EVS, he just happens to be the example on hand. Moderates are what they are, there's little point in bemoaning that or trying to change them. They're a natural feature of the landscape.

And yes, they won't have your back in the firefight. "This is not my fight", they'll say, as above, and wonder where the cavalry has gone off too. All that just happened in the OP convo.

But moderates are dangerous and must be considered nevertheless, because they'll be backing the strong horse. That's good when you're winning. Not so good when you're not, because then they are aiding the enemy.

Anonymous VFM #3606 January 23, 2018 11:20 AM  

Short Fuse is now changing its name in solidarity with its remaining supporters to Short Bus.

Will has pulled more in 24 hours than Shot Fuse likely pulls in a month. Good job!

Blogger c0pperheaded January 23, 2018 11:20 AM  

"Since 1861, that has always been the goal."

Thank you!

Anonymous Isidore the Farmer January 23, 2018 11:21 AM  

It seems convergence hit comics even harder than book publishing precisely because (from what I can tell) creating a comic is almost always a larger team effort, plus comics are so heavily dominated by only two brands.

There is a storyteller, an artist, a colorist, and perhaps more for every comic. Whereas, with books one person can write it from end-to-end and publish independently, if needed. I'm not saying that is ideal, just that it is much more feasible within books than within comics.

Furthermore, the biggest challenge facing Vox will be gaining name recognition against the two big brands of DC and Marvel. While I haven't read comics in years, I went back and looked through my stack of comics I have kept from my childhood (appx. 50 total, ranging from 25-30 years ago), and even back then they were all DC and Marvel: Batman, Black Panther, X-Men, Spider Man, Green Lantern, etc. After all these years I could picture the characters and covers, but only remembered a few of the stories.

Anyway, the industry is much narrower than video games or book publishing or even movie production, and this has allowed them to get a tighter stranglehold on the industry. Broad competition makes it more difficult for SJWs to converge an entire industry. Comics were simply vulnerable in a way other publishing and entertainment formats weren't (at least yet - movies are moving in that direction rapidly).

I suspect Vox's best option is to continue to pick off talented people in the comics industry disgruntled by the convergence, but even then building a brand kids recognize will matter. Which means creating at least one superhero people (kids) can truly fall in love with. I would recommend studying some of the all-time greats: Batman, Superman, Spiderman, etc. to make sure the team truly understands why people love those heroes. There has to be a common thread or two running through all of them.

As a child, the books I enjoyed were driven by good stories. But my enjoyment of comics was, ultimately, driven by love of the heroes themselves. I loved the characters of Batman and the X-Men. The stories within the comics were secondary for me. Which is interesting, and not something I've given any thought to before now. Perhaps that is because this was the only option (how the industry worked)? Perhaps it is just a distinguishing characteristic of comics from books or even movies.

Enough rambling from me...

Anonymous CarpeOro January 23, 2018 11:23 AM  

EVS will soon find that sitting on a fence is not a stable place to be even in the short term. The SJWs won't reward him for it, the rebels he shunned will find he has nothing to offer when they have won, and the camp of the fence-sitters? None of them want it to be their fight either so they will just as readily turn their back on him as he has done on others. When the modern Gestapo comes to get him there will be no one to speak for him.

Anonymous Avalanche January 23, 2018 11:25 AM  

Oh man, I am REALLY disgusted at:

EVS: Well, look, this is your fight, Jon.
I don't want it to be my fight. I want it to be the comics journalists fight.

I had hope EVS was NOT a weasel, and could become someone in the Alt Comics future... What a slimeball! (Well, weasel or coward?)

Anonymous VFM #3606 January 23, 2018 11:27 AM  

> Whats the significance of 1861? the inauguration of Lincoln?

Probably the start of the Civil War.

NO! It is when John Stuart Mill wrote Utilitarianism and also began the idea of Social Justice Convergence.

Blogger The Deuce January 23, 2018 11:28 AM  

In some ways, what Ethan is trying to do with respect to Vox reminds me of Sad Puppies vs Rabid Puppies during the Hugo controversy.

Many of the people within Sad Puppies were emotionally attached to Worldcon and a "fandom" they had been a part of for years, and were hoping to redeem these organizations and groups that they couldn't bring themselves to admit were long ago murdered at the hands of SJWs and beyond rehabilitation.

As an outsider, Vox had no personal attachment to those groups, and could clearly see how corrupt and utterly beyond hope they were, and in fact that they were a malign force that needed to be discredited and disempowered. Vox's interest wasn't in rescuing these organizations from themselves, but in providing an escape for those talented writers who were being torn apart by them for not conforming to their narrative.

Vox's full loyalty was to individual good people, in other words, while many in Sad Puppies, due to their own nostalgia, had split loyalties between good people and the thoroughly corrupt organizations that were actively harming them, which hamstrung Sad Puppies' ability to fight those organizations and stick up for their victims. And that's why Rabid Puppies was so much more effective.

The same is true for Ethan. He grew up in a comics world that no longer exists, and he can't bring himself to let go of it and admit that it's gone. He's still got loyalty and emotional attachment (not to mention financial dependency) to it, and he has a vain hope of redeeming that which is already dead and beyond redemption. He's still deluding himself that he can talk the totalitarian SJW psychopaths who run his dying industry and persuade them to be "reasonable," and then they can have a nice discussion and everything will go back to the "normal" he grew up with. He dislikes Vox because he sees Vox's presence as sabotaging this outcome.

That might sound admirable (albeit naive) but it's not. That's because Ethan's attachment to these corrupt organizations means that when good people are attacked and blacklisted by them, he will leave them twisting in the wind, because doing the right thing and having their backs would require him to join a fight that he has already said he doesn't want, and to give up the hope of trying to win the aggressors over.

Of course, just a little reflection should allow Ethan to understand why this is hopeless. After all, if he can't bring himself to make common cause with the "extremists" out of fear that it will provoke the SJWs he's hoping to have a reasonable dialog with, why does he think that any of those SJWs can bring themselves to make common cause with him? Doesn't he know that they would be punished by their warrens for doing so more harshly than he would be?

Ethan's fence-sitting won't accomplish anything but leave him isolated and without loyal allies when he too is eventually forced to make a choice between total submission and fighting back.

Blogger tuberman January 23, 2018 11:29 AM  

EVS thinks that he is above it all, as in he feels, "I'm so artsy talented that the SJW rules do not apply to me." We've seen this exact type of arrogance many times before, and it is arrogance. He condescends to all the lesser mortals who already have the blade on their necks.

I suppose it's okay to accept has gay azz in when it finally dawns on him that he will be a major target also, Just remember who he is, and what his perspective is on life -- He thinks he's above it all!

Blogger horsewithnonick January 23, 2018 11:31 AM  

SJWs may soon have cause to recall the words:

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

Blogger wreckage January 23, 2018 11:33 AM  

@28, when the time comes, so will the knowledge.

For them moment his "above it all" approach is working, but sooner than later his "enplatforming" of untermensch is going to get him in trouble.

But he HAS enplatformed the mid to hard right, so I see no point getting your hate on for him.

Blogger Tom Bridgeland January 23, 2018 11:33 AM  

Has anyone bothered to poll comic book readers? If I were gonna guess, I'd guess they trend more right than left. You'd think Marvel would want to know stuff like that. Apparently not.

Anonymous Avalanche January 23, 2018 11:34 AM  

@23 " Which means creating at least one superhero people (kids) can truly fall in love with. I would recommend studying some of the all-time greats: Batman, Superman, Spiderman, etc. to make sure the team truly understands why people love those heroes."

So, um, you have not read the precis at FreeStartr, nor the various Vox Day blog posts ABOUT Alt*Hero -- with the introductions of some (oh, SO few!! The waitng, the WAITING! It's painful!) of the amazing superheros already designed and drawn?!

You think Chuck Dixon who has WRITTEN Batman -- and is inventor of Bane -- doesn't already KNOW how to make superheros?!

You're waaaaaaaay behind this train, you'd better speed-read to catch up!

Anonymous Avalanche January 23, 2018 11:38 AM  

@28 "He condescends to all the lesser mortals who already have the blade on their necks."

EVS (falsely believes) he doesn't have to outrun the alligator -- just his compatriots in the field!! He just wants to be eaten last! (So, coward.)

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 11:39 AM  

I wouldn't give guys like EVS and the other moderates in the comics industry a hard time. First, they are in a heavily converged environment, so their perspective is skewed. Second, unlike us, they weren't aware of the Hugos, or GamerGate, and this is all very new to them. It's worse than new to them, it is shocking and painful to them.

They're not the enemy. They may or may not matter in time, but regardless, they're not the enemy. Let them work through their denial and grief.

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 11:41 AM  

He just wants to be eaten last! (So, coward.)

Settle down, Avalanche. It's not up to you who fights and who doesn't. We don't have a White Feather Society. Praise and support those who stand up and ignore those who don't. Don't criticize the latter.

Anonymous Avalanche January 23, 2018 11:41 AM  

Vox: "They're not the enemy. They may or may not matter in time, but regardless, they're not the enemy. Let them work through their denial and grief."

You are kind, Dark Lord. Perhaps we should email them your "SJW Attack Survival Guide" pdf.

Blogger cheddarman January 23, 2018 11:43 AM  

No brother left behind. Deus Vult!

Blogger Edwin Boyette January 23, 2018 12:01 PM  

"Those who are not against us are for us". I get the Vile Minion ferocity. Something that gets lost sometimes - is there are decent men out there who just want to create. They make the world better just by their work. They are not combatants. Trying to shame or cajole them into being combatants is less helpful than you may think. There is a point to the uninitiated, where you can appear indistinguishable from a SJW who is trying to coerce or shame them. Try to avoid that appearance.

The point of fighting is to secure the space and freedom for good men to create something of value, and for us to enjoy those good works.

Blogger Last Redoubt January 23, 2018 12:04 PM  

For those of us who are digital only - what add on should we get to ensure we get the second or following books?

Blogger Brad Matthews January 23, 2018 12:10 PM  

EVS will be guilty by association for doing the interviews. Better get him a copy of SJWAL, his lynching will crush him.

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 12:11 PM  

For those of us who are digital only - what add on should we get to ensure we get the second or following books?

Nothing. You're already getting them.

Blogger Philip Morris January 23, 2018 12:13 PM  

I note with interest that Megan Fox's article (to which the SDL refers in his update above) links to the counterfund started by a member of the Moronic Order of Perpetual Grievance. Since 20 January, three people have raised USD100.

Blogger Brad Matthews January 23, 2018 12:14 PM  

Vox,
Does the $250 include stretch goals as they are smashed?

Anonymous fop January 23, 2018 12:16 PM  

Is there a legal case against Short Fuse pending?



Blogger lowercaseb January 23, 2018 12:19 PM  

Apparently the SJWs have launched a counter-campaign of sorts.

Don't be so dismissive...they have raised over $100 in THREE DAYS!!! That's almost one months's allowance.

Blogger slarrow January 23, 2018 12:19 PM  

It's worse than new to them, it is shocking and painful to them.

Word. The 3rd Law of SJW is that SJWs always project, but in truth, we all project in some ways. That is, we unconsciously treat others in the way we view the world. So folks like EVS and Jordan Peterson will treat their detractors in good faith because it's important to them to have good faith in talking with others. It is a terrible and awful thing to have your good faith betrayed, and it's dangerous because it can push you too far into cynicism and despair. I know it certainly took me some time to re-calibrate to reality, particularly the realization that some people are moved only by rhetoric (a difficult thing for a philosopher to grok). But warriors must understand the terrain if they are to win.

Blogger James Dixon January 23, 2018 12:21 PM  

> EVS will be guilty by association for doing the interviews.

Yep. He doesn't yet realize he will be forced to choose a side and that if he refuses one will be chosen for him.

Blogger #7139 January 23, 2018 12:24 PM  

Test

Blogger Thot January 23, 2018 12:29 PM  

The contrast of Will Caligans campaign to it's counter campaign, the one trying to rally the mentally ill, is delicious. Looking at the campaign pages is a visual example of how there is little to no actual interested from the LGBTQXYZ/Libtard/BLM crowd in comics other than wanting control of what can be said so their mental illnesses will be accepted as normal in society. Monetarily, I hope this would be a sign to other companies that the "queer emperor has no clothes" and to stop being afraid that standing up for sanity and reality will cost them business. It will probably help them gain business. But that's probably to much to ask of normie companies.

Anonymous kfg January 23, 2018 12:30 PM  

"No brother left behind. "

While they eat their own and puzzle over how we just keep getting stronger.

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 12:31 PM  

Does the $250 include stretch goals as they are smashed?

It includes the additional digital editions. And I think we'll throw in the additional single-issue additions as well - I need to make that clear on the campaign page. It does not include the new paperback or the new hardcover.

Blogger Last Redoubt January 23, 2018 12:35 PM  

@40 VD

Thanks - I'll likely pitch in extra anyway since we're talking more work

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 12:35 PM  

Is there a legal case against Short Fuse pending?

No, nor is there cause for one. They are within their rights to work with whomever they choose.

Anonymous Gurpgork January 23, 2018 12:35 PM  

That sounds entirely reasonable. Time to add the second hardcover.

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 12:37 PM  

What causes the incremental cost?

I should also mention that based on normal page rates, the amount of contributions in kind presently exceed the actual monetary contributions. The industry people have really stepped up too.

Blogger Resident Moron™ January 23, 2018 12:37 PM  

One of the weird things I discovered today, is that even Bill Maher (whom I thoroughly despise) is starting to wake up to this reality; there's NOTHING anyone can do that will satisfy these zealots. They will never stop demanding more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1MZRowhMtc

Rockin good news for Will Caligan. At some point tho, Vox, you're going to have to admit that your influence has been a key factor here. Yes, people are sick and tired of being told what to think-say-do; and they still need a rallying point and you've provided it. Had I started a campaign for Will it would not look like it does today. My hat is off to you, sir. I have some troubles understanding some of what you say and do but I have no doubt you're doing the Lord's work in this case. My hat's off to you.

Blogger Wolfman at Large January 23, 2018 12:38 PM  

The clueless moderates are not the enemy, they are not 'above the game'. They are the football.

Anonymous Faceless January 23, 2018 12:41 PM  

@48

Not even their friends buy the crap they spew about need to be compensated for emotional labor. Three donations of $100 in two days for the cloudy purpose of paying Luna's next restaurant bill is quite the belly flop. Sure she's laughing - ha ha, ha ha - they're always laughing. It's like when that guy could laugh on Married With Children about his "Other Peggy".

Anonymous Isidore the Farmer January 23, 2018 12:42 PM  

Avalanche - I didn't say Vox was doing anything wrong, you illiterate moron. I think he's doing a number of things amazingly well. It is fun to observe, and encouraging. The short-term success has been pretty astounding (exceeding even Vox's original expectations, if I read him correctly).

I'm only pointing out that long-term success seems grounded in heroes people love, even more so than great storytelling. Even the wildly successful Marvel/MCU movies are, in my view, pretty slight when it comes to story. If we were to outline each of them in a 1-2 page summary, there are no innovative or highly skilled story techniques. (I find the stories of the Avenger movies to be quite garbled, actually).

But, the heroes themselves are often enjoyable in a number of the films. And this is how I remember the comics of my childhood as well, and even the cartoons I loved from the early 90s (Batman and X-Men). Of course, the greatest comics combine great story and great heroes, but a sustainable comic series seems to be more often carried by the hero of the story. Just my opinion, could be wrong.

Keep in mind my love of comics would be considered quite slight by insiders or obsessive fans. So far the most appealing ones for me are the Wodehouse comics. But, I do have a son at an age where comics are in his wheelhouse, and I would love for an alternative to what SJWs have done to so many fun heroes of my childhood.

Blogger Dave W. January 23, 2018 12:51 PM  

"counter-fundraiser", many LOLs. They've raised $100 in 3 days. So many, many LOLs.

Anonymous 'setting January 23, 2018 12:54 PM  

I appreciate EVS's honesty in 'not my fight.'

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 12:56 PM  

I'm only pointing out that long-term success seems grounded in heroes people love, even more so than great storytelling.

Certainly. But Chuck and I believe that the way to discover which heroes love is to tell great stories, then find out which characters end up standing out. You can't simply declare: HERE IS THE HERO! YOU WILL LOVE HIM!

I had no idea Dynamique would capture people's attention the way she has. And the story isn't even out yet. Rebel, sure, she's iconic. But why Dynamique?

Blogger Rashadjin January 23, 2018 1:06 PM  

@VD But why Dynamique?

Oh, that's easy. She's very close to a Jungian Anima Projection. Leeloo from 5th Element is a great example of one. Kerrigan from Star Craft is another.

Basically, an Anima is the male fantasy of the ideal person in female form. Dynamique isn't an actual Anima character, but since she carries so many of the usual traits, she's hooking into the Anima figure in the back of every guy's head.

That Alt-Hero dragon chick whose name I forget is an Anima-Shadow hybrid, but more idiosyncratic to the person who designed her.

Blogger Dave W. January 23, 2018 1:11 PM  

Why Dynamique? I think her story is potentially awesome. She's being forced to work for the Big Government (i.e., Bad) Guys and we can already see her rebellious inclinations. I'm intrigued. Plus, she's a hottie. :-p

Blogger Rashadjin January 23, 2018 1:14 PM  

Oh right. Cat Woman from Batman is a better example of an Anima-Shadow hybrid. At least when they do her right.

Anonymous Killua January 23, 2018 1:18 PM  

I think Insidore the frae has a good point Vox. Sometimes a good character design is all you need for success. Even more important than the stories.

Take spiderman for example. It is a relatively simple, yet very creative character with superpowers that were new at the time (super agility and the ability to shoot web). The character design itself is memorable. Even if the stories were bad, spiderman would still have
a lot of potential.

Blogger S1AL January 23, 2018 1:24 PM  

Dynamique has a subtlety of personality (at least as portrayed) that clashes with the stereotype used for her image. See also: Holly Newcastle (MHI), Leia, or Galadriel.

Anonymous Causal Lurker January 23, 2018 1:24 PM  

Dynamique brings some beautiful French attitude (for those with great temper, great tempering is required) to the EU "team." The nonchalant disposal of the frowned-on Galois butts takes the cake. You can almost hear the groans of "Oh [Darwin], WHY did we insist on including them?"

She and Captain Europa are exhibiting some classic introduction and exposition scenes from almost any classic comedy movie. The Captain can't win and worse, he might not avoid a lose. Who gets blamed for cigarette butts appearing from the sky in senior bureaucrat coffee? "It's YOUR TEAM, Captain! Enforce the rules!"

It's the best combination of Audrey and Katharine Hepburn vs. Standard Leading Man (Grant, Laughton, etc.). Beautiful character with a mind (and shopping list) of her own, and absolute contempt for all those silly EU rules. You have to laugh at the flying sparks and situations. You mined a vein of high yield comedy. Use it to great effect.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim January 23, 2018 1:34 PM  

Well, I guess if you enjoyed Dark City, you're "Alt-right" by default now. Man, the straws they will grasp to try and place the "scarlet letter" on their enemies.
That's fine, I'm all for a bunch of Dark City memes being added to the Artillery. VISIT SHELL BEACH!

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim January 23, 2018 1:34 PM  

Source about Dark City indictment... https://www.cbr.com/malin-thunderbolts-alt-right/

Anonymous fop January 23, 2018 1:40 PM  

They are within their rights to work with whomever they choose.

How is this case substantially different from the James Damore case?

Blogger Longtime Lurker January 23, 2018 1:50 PM  

@33: Vox said, "I wouldn't give guys like EVS and the other moderates in the comics industry a hard time. . . "

Has anyone else noticed that the number of subscribers to Mr. Van Sciver's YouTube channel has expanded from about 8,000 to 8,900 since Vox became interesting to that particular comic pro?

FWIW: The respectful acknowledgement of differences with Van Sciver is both appropriate and necessary. After all, his audience is now fast growing. Let's not get careless and alienate both him and it by "pot-shooting" at the gentleman.

Anonymous Viiidad January 23, 2018 1:54 PM  

"Has anyone else noticed that the number of subscribers to Mr. Van Sciver's YouTube channel has expanded from about 8,000 to 8,900 since Vox became interesting to that particular comic pro?

FWIW: The respectful acknowledgement of differences with Van Sciver is both appropriate and necessary. After all, his audience is now fast growing. Let's not get careless and alienate both him and it by "pot-shooting" at the gentleman."

But he's fat.

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 2:11 PM  

How is this case substantially different from the James Damore case?

In many, many ways. Chief of which being that Caligan was not an employee. Damore was.

Anonymous PleaseDontBanMe January 23, 2018 2:18 PM  

VD wrote:Don't criticize the latter.
So you're saying that your followers, the Vile Faceless Minions, have been sending death threats?

(Sorry. Too tempting a target).

Anonymous vfm #0202 January 23, 2018 2:26 PM  

@Rashadjin re animae:
Can you recommend an introduction to archetypology? This rang my bells!

Anonymous Avalanche January 23, 2018 2:34 PM  

@37 "Those who are not against us are for us".

This is not true. Those who are "not against us" may still be giving support and help to our enemies; out of 'fairness" or a desire to appear 'even-handed' or even a desire to be eaten last (RINOs and NeverTrumpers esp). That may not make them "against" us -- but it is indistinguishable from it. (It might even / sometimes be defined as acting against us. If you give help to those against us, or abandon some of 'ours' in the midst of their (our) enemies -- is that not acting against 'us'?)


@37 I get the Vile Minion ferocity. Something that gets lost sometimes - is there are decent men out there who just want to create. They make the world better just by their work. They are not combatants.

This is both true and useless. I absolutely take Vox's point that whacking at the undecideds is more a sign of my own lack of patience than of their intransigence or unwillingness to declare a side. But Vox is also true that the end point for all is the Alt Right.

(I always sympathize with the (paraphrased) saying: "I just wanted to play computer games; how did I end up working to save mt civilization!?")


@37 Trying to shame or cajole them into being combatants is less helpful than you may think. There is a point to the uninitiated, where you can appear indistinguishable from a SJW who is trying to coerce or shame them. Try to avoid that appearance.

Painfully true. (The pain for me; the truth for the truth.) I have a tendency to identify with the fellow being hounded and hunted for telling the truth; and I forget one of the many lessons of SJWAL: you cannot expect (or even hope for) friends or acquaintances to step in and fight with you / for you. Good reminder.


@37 The point of fighting is to secure the space and freedom for good men to create something of value, and for us to enjoy those good works.

I don't know, at this point in the destruction of our civilization, if that is the point of fighting. Seems to me, the only way out is THROUGH. (And through will be pretty damned unpleasant!) Space, freedom, and good works are the after, not the now.

Anonymous Avalanche January 23, 2018 2:39 PM  

@58 "I'm only pointing out that long-term success seems"

You would teach your grandmother to suck eggs?

Anonymous Avalanche January 23, 2018 2:41 PM  

@58 Oh! Or do you not even know Vox Day is a very successful author in addition to being the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil? Have you never read any of this fiction?

Blogger James Dixon January 23, 2018 2:45 PM  

> How is this case substantially different from the James Damore case?

They're not located in California. Google is, and is covered by California labor law.

> So you're saying that your followers, the Vile Faceless Minions, have been sending death threats?

The VFM would never lower themselves to sending "threats".

Anonymous Avalanche January 23, 2018 2:47 PM  

@61 Rebel, sure, she's iconic. But why Dynamique?

My reaction to Rebel was: "yeah, yeah, iconic. Okay, she'll work great. Total hit. (Plus: great costume, charming personality.)"

But that last (first page) frame of Dynamique, having caught the bullet staring up annoyed and angry over her sunglasses? WHOO! Perfection! That picture absolutely captured female annoyance at being disturbed in her 'me' time with tea (coffee?) and ciggie. I actually cut that pic and use it in my 'dialpad' in my browser for the FreeStartr link. Love it! Love her!

Blogger wreckage January 23, 2018 3:01 PM  

Dynamique's intro whipsaws between power-fantasy femininity (the bullet catch and look of female disdain) and cutie-under-threat (Capt EU oozes superiority and total entitlement; he's no gentleman, and she's in his power).

That's hitting a lot of primal buttons and holding them down. It's got humour,sex, and menace all bundled up and the reader doesn't know which one is going to carry the day, either next frame, or two years into an ongoing series.

Archetype, a bit more loosely than quoting Jung, is embedded in almost every frame.

Blogger Rashadjin January 23, 2018 3:08 PM  

@vfm #0202

There's some specific writings by Jung that Dr. Jordan Peterson recommends for it, but don't have those notes with me. I learned the groundwork from Peterson's various lectures and ran with it because this is my lane.

It's quite fun, as there's some interesting developments afoot. The Anima-Shadow hybrid is new (from what I've seen), but the Collective Unconscious has been working it a while.

From where I'm standing, a major current story is Kerrigan's story. Mengsk was corrupted, tyrannical Logos who betrayed Kerrigan - Kerrigan being an Anima which is a soft avatar of the Collective Unconscious. She took that betrayal and transformed into an Anima-Shadow hybrid (Zerg-Kerrigan) to exact revenge and destroy the corrupted Logos.

Demona from Gargoyles is a lot of the same thing. Nightmare Moon is a hard avatar for the Collective Unconscious.

Basically, the Collective Unconscious is pissed and has been since the 1990s. Also slightly crazy and evil for it.

Even Sanderson's Mistborn Trilogy is a similar story, but there it's an Anima/Animus team defeating corrupted, tyrannical Logos, so the Anima side didn't go full Shadow mode.

In a response interview to the Channel 4 thing with Geenstijl, Peterson briefly clues into this picture.

Also, also - the last real Star Craft story entry was Wings of Liberty. Heart of the Swarm was corrupted, and everything after increasing levels of total BS.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 23, 2018 3:15 PM  

VD said: I wouldn't give guys like EVS and the other moderates in the comics industry a hard time.
Of course not. It would be beneath the dignity of the Supreme Dark Lord. But the VFM hunger. And we suspect. And we hate.

Blogger Banjo January 23, 2018 3:19 PM  

We HATES them Aaaaall!

Blogger Rashadjin January 23, 2018 3:28 PM  

@vfm #0202

Oh right, now I remember. Look up Dr. Peterson lectures on Lion King and Pinocchio. Those are mostly about archetypes and Hero's Journey.

Blogger Bobiojimbo January 23, 2018 3:29 PM  

That conversation is illuminating. In the early days, Capn' Cummings and Diversity & Comics would criticize Marvel comics for numerous spelling errors, and we have more details as to why. It's not just that these editors were hired as office girlfriends, but to ensure the comics kept to the narrative. Editing typos and continuity errors was never their purpose.

Blogger Anne January 23, 2018 3:33 PM  

@Avalanche
I don't think it's possible to write anything without teaching some kind of message. There is no way through without people absorbing good ideas instead of bad ones. So, we need to have works that teach the good ideas. (Hopefully without appearing to teach.)

Blogger Cato January 23, 2018 3:35 PM  

wreckage wrote:@15 I think it's the date of Mill's formulation of "social justice"?



Ah Im not sure I see the problem with that - I looked it up and the only thing I can see that jumped at me was fair distribution of wealth, social utility, and the belief that actions are right if they promote happiness and wrong if they don't.

Looks okay to me.

Blogger wired216 January 23, 2018 3:37 PM  

Dymanique, and yes I am outing myself here, reminds me of Spike on BtVS in the early years. Put in a situation he didn't choose and being cheeky about it. The last 2 years not so much. Horrible years.

Blogger Cato January 23, 2018 3:37 PM  

To put another way my BSometer was not triggered .

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 4:18 PM  

it is indistinguishable from it

It's not indistinguishable. It is very, very easy to distinguish.

I absolutely take Vox's point that whacking at the undecideds is more a sign of my own lack of patience than of their intransigence or unwillingness to declare a side.

Exactly. Their behavior is not your business. This is very difficult for women to either learn or accept. Do it yourself or find a man who is doing it and support him. Regardless, don't pester anyone, that behavior is counterproductive.

Anonymous kfg January 23, 2018 4:22 PM  

@Cato:

If you would be so kind as to gimme yer dough it would make me very happy. If you decline it might tend to make me and my little friend a might unhappy, which would to make you unhappy, so neither of us wants that.

Compare and contrast to:

Thou shalt not steal.

You might find some value in calibrating your meter against a reading of the scriptures and the history of social movements that have tried to implement Utilitarianism as a pragmatic foundation for society without regard to any traditional conceptions of morality.

Blogger bob kek mando January 23, 2018 4:47 PM  

32. Avalanche January 23, 2018 11:38 AM
(So, coward.)



hey now.

making Vox look calm, collected, temperate, rational, measured and merciful is my job.

Blogger The Observer January 23, 2018 4:58 PM  

the belief that actions are right if they promote happiness and wrong if they don't.

Promote happiness - the will to consume and sate one's appetites are defined as the greatest good, then. This is one of the biggest lies of modernity - that the entire purpose of existence is to engage in one big masturbation orgy.

Blogger maniacprovost January 23, 2018 5:41 PM  

Forget the fact that utilitarianism is built on false assumptions and philosophical contradictions; the most obvious problem is that it can be and is used by anyone to justify any conceivable action. This renders it absolutely useless in practice.

I don't particularly like Dynamique, but she's definitely a vivid and compelling character, for some reason.

Anonymous Kat January 23, 2018 6:28 PM  

I don't think it's hard. Dynamique comes across as the more complex and glamorous character.

That said, I think we've barely been introduced to Rebel, and she's really why I backed Alt-hero in the first place.

Blogger Duke Norfolk January 23, 2018 7:27 PM  

Cato wrote:Looks okay to me.

Oooohhh dude, you are so out of your league here. Seriously, I'd just back away slowly right now. (Unless you're truly willing to learn something and will accept your schooling with humility.)

Blogger VD January 23, 2018 8:00 PM  

Ah Im not sure I see the problem with that

Then you're not paying attention to the world around you.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash January 23, 2018 10:17 PM  

But his psychological construct that models the world is so much neater and more consistent, Vox.

Anonymous Jo January 24, 2018 1:23 AM  

That question. "Does art imitate life or does life imitate art?"

I don't know the answer to a lot of questions, and I certainly don't know the answer to this one. Heck, I don't even know that it's a fair question. But I do think the answer might be something like this. Art is transcendent. It's this extra layer of reality that acts as a gateway to the divine. Less a thing it is than a road map. A journeying glimpse at the vague corners of truth and meaning. It leads us, explains us, cautions and inspires us. It is not birthed so much as it is explored.

Proactively using art to manipulate life seems painful and ill to me. Suddenly, all of this meaning and truth is corrupted. It's like there's this great being of knowledge, pristine and beautiful, but chained down, and cut and dismembered and chiseled into the flawed form of a false god, finite in scale and scope like the limited mind that created it.

It's like the difference between mankind learning from God versus mankind trying to teach God. One is proper and perfect. The other is heresy and sin.

Never put your message into fiction because your fiction is already a message of something far greater.

Blogger Cato January 24, 2018 3:00 AM  

kfg wrote:@Cato:

If you would be so kind as to gimme yer dough it would make me very happy. If you decline it might tend to make me and my little friend a might unhappy, which would to make you unhappy, so neither of us wants that.

Compare and contrast to:

Thou shalt not steal.

You might find some value in calibrating your meter against a reading of the scriptures and the history of social movements that have tried to implement Utilitarianism as a pragmatic foundation for society without regard to any traditional conceptions of morality.


Ok you are effectively saying that Utilitarianism is Communism.

Since we both know that Communism is an evil that lead to the death of millions we don't need to argue about why thats wrong.

Thou Shalt not steal is a command.

Deontological ethics in other words

Utilitarianism is Teleological ethics.

I seriously do not think that JSM wanted people to forcefully take value to statisfy their desires.

Unlike Karl Marx who at the very least implied such a thing , if not outright stated that people shoud be made to work for the good of a state, for the Good of all, which then has taken to mean that if you won’t work for the good of all then you are an evil hetronormative, white privileged, cisgendered myosoginistic transphobic, Bigot and whatever other words they made/make to descibe wrongthink.


John Stuart Mill probably took Christainity for granted and assumed people would follow the basic idea – he lived in a time when Christainity was everywhere, honestly reading his work: https://www.utilitarianism.com/mill5.htm

There is nothing in that which screams offthe page: WRONG!

I don’t think he ever thought people would steal to achieve the greatest good in their minds.

Thou Shalt not steal was simply a thing in Victorian Times

Here is a quotation from JSM:


“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things.  The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that noting is worth war is much worse.  The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men then himself.”

Is that not the best description of leftist pacifists that you have ever seen?

That looks like good fruit to me.

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Marx is a false prophet and his philosophy is a bad fruit.
It is a tree which frankly deserves to be thown into the fire.
SJWism is derived from this bad tree hence it cannot bear good fruit.




Blogger Rashadjin January 24, 2018 11:13 AM  

And reading through these other comments, I get the sense that Dynamique is getting extra special bonus points for acting like an actual woman as opposed to the various hues of 'single mom' that's become ubiquitous. She's injecting some actual femininity back into the picture, even if by way of power fantasy.

Which is something that Scarlet Johansson's Black Widow doesn't manage to do. Scarlet has the look here and there, but here attitude is derivative kick-ass female - smugly superior in a masculine way.

There's a fine character somewhere between the superficially obsessed woman (a condescending and shallow image) and the kick-ass female (overly masculine image, easily and often a hack job) that nobody seems to manage these days.

They managed it with Cat Woman in Batman:TAS. ...and I'm blanking on any other good examples... Weaponized femininity is the crux - genuinely feminine and genuinely dangerous - but in a positive light as opposed to the femme fatale. I suppose Galdot's Wonder Woman gets close outside the action scenes here and there, but it's rare, merely little glimmers the actress injects into a role written and directed by hacks.

Blogger James Dixon January 24, 2018 4:27 PM  

> and I'm blanking on any other good examples

Emma Peel? Though that's hardly recent.

Blogger Rashadjin January 27, 2018 6:13 PM  

@105 James Dixon

Per this YouTube clip compilation to snappy music, the answer is yes. Emma Peel would be the type we're talking here.

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