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Sunday, February 18, 2018

A clueless chief of staff

Reading this account of Reince Preibus's short-lived term as White House Chief of Staff, one does not wonder why Trump brought him on - it was an olive branch to the Republican Establishment - but how the guy ended up in charge of the RNC in the first place:
Priebus was hobbled by two other factors. A former Republican National Committee chairman from Kenosha, Wisconsin, he barely knew his new boss, and he was part of the establishment that Trump had vilified. Moreover, during the campaign, the two men had been known to feud. Trump had been especially resentful of Priebus’s reaction to the campaign’s existential crisis just a month before Election Day: the release of the tawdry Access Hollywood tape, in which Trump had made graphic misogynist comments that were caught by an open microphone.

The morning after the video surfaced, Trump’s candidacy had been pronounced all but dead in the media. In response, the beleaguered nominee’s top aides—campaign C.E.O. Stephen Bannon, former New York mayor Rudy Giu­liani, New Jersey governor Chris Christie, Jared Kushner, and Ivanka Trump—gathered at Trump Tower for a war council to advise the candidate on whether he should stay in the race or quit.

The nominee, sleep-deprived, surly, his jaw clenched, posed the crucial question: in light of the videotape, what were his chances of winning? Priebus went first: “If you decide to stay in, you will lose in the biggest landslide in American political history.” One by one, Trump’s other advisers danced around the question—until finally it was Bannon’s turn. “One hundred percent,” he declared. “One hundred percent you’re going to win this thing. Metaphysical.” (Priebus recalled things differently, saying no one was that emphatic.)

Trump, of course, pulled off an astonishing upset. And a month later, McDonough met his successor as chief of staff in the West Wing lobby and escorted him to his office. As the former chiefs went around the table, giving Priebus advice, they were unanimous about one thing: Trump would be unable to govern unless Priebus was empowered as first among equals in the West Wing. Trump’s incoming chief dutifully took notes on a yellow pad.

Suddenly there was a commotion; Barack Obama was entering the room. Everyone stood and shook hands, then Obama motioned for them to sit. The 44th president’s own chiefs—Rahm Emanuel, Bill Daley, Jack Lew, McDonough, and Pete Rouse (who served unofficially)—were all pres­ent, and Obama nodded toward them. “Every one of these guys at different times told me something that pissed me off,” Obama said, flashing his familiar grin. “They weren’t always right; sometimes I was. But they were right to do that because they knew they had to tell me what I needed to hear rather than what I wanted to hear.” Obama looked at Priebus. “That’s the most important function of a chief of staff. Presidents need that. And I hope you will do that for President Trump.” With that, Obama said his good-byes and departed.
Why would you ever listen to what someone said after he had demonstrated such a complete inability to read the electorate or predict the future? I'm astonished that Trump even pretended to take the guy's opinion seriously at all.

We have a tendency to believe that those who are around the positions of power must be smarter or more astute than the average individual in some way. We are endlessly lectured on the importance of their gravitas, their credentials, their educations, and their comportment. But the truth is more often than not that they simply happen to have had access to money, power, or influence. It's not just the USA, almost every democracy is run by people who are no more intelligent, and have no better judgment, than those annoying kids that were on your high school student council.

Except the kids you knew on your student council were less arrogant, less sheltered, and less corrupt than the average politico.

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51 Comments:

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 18, 2018 12:21 PM  

This is all ignoring the role he played as the head of the RNC at the disgraceful 2012 convention in Tampa. You could feel the disturbance in the Force from the Neoconservative hold in the party which was very strong then.

You've never met dumber, more fanatical ignoramuses then rank and file GOP neocons.

Blogger Robert What? February 18, 2018 12:38 PM  

The "problem", so to speak, is that Trump is an honorable man. He is probably not used to dealing with men who have no honor.

Blogger Dire Badger February 18, 2018 12:38 PM  

"But they were right to do that because they knew they had to tell me what I needed to hear rather than what I wanted to hear.” Obama looked at Priebus. “That’s the most important function of a chief of staff."

No. That's the most important function of the various secretaries and the first lady.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 18, 2018 12:45 PM  

Trump was born and raised in NYC. He knows exactly what that looks like.

Blogger Wayne February 18, 2018 12:48 PM  

Priebus lack of understanding of the cultural left and how to deal with it was his greatest deficiency.

Blogger Jew613 February 18, 2018 12:57 PM  

The elites are not all that smart, but they are incredibly arrogant and consumed with greed. What should be most shocking is the utter contempt they feel for those they rule over.

Blogger The Observer February 18, 2018 1:04 PM  

What should be most shocking is the utter contempt they feel for those they rule over.

Conmen rarely have very much respect for their marks.

In a system of governance which derives authority by the consent of the masses, the greatest conmen able to manufacture the most consent rule.

Blogger Dave February 18, 2018 1:04 PM  

Preibus got a little carried away with "you will lose in the biggest landslide in American political history" rhetoric, but he had point. In today's​ political climate, only one GOP presidential candidate would've even considered​ staying in the race and that candidate went on to pull off one of the most shocking upsets in history. Fascinating times we are living in as we're now finding out Trump was and still is battling a Deep State cabal that's​ been trying to destroy him from the beginning.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 18, 2018 1:05 PM  

Phoebus doesn't care about the cultural left. He is the political counterpart of NR.

Blogger kurt9 February 18, 2018 1:10 PM  

We have a tendency to believe that those who are around the positions of power must be smarter or more astute than the average individual in some way.

No. They are all just criminal parasites.

Blogger Not a lefty February 18, 2018 1:19 PM  

"Preibus got a little carried away with "you will lose in the biggest landslide in American political history" rhetoric, but he had point."

No he didn't and anyone observing reality knew it. After the pussy grabbing tape came out, watching every democrap have suddenly become a saint that never had a sexual thought or utterance before red pilled a lot of people. Watching people you actually know in real life parrot it slammed the hammer home. Bannon was right for that exact reason.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 18, 2018 1:40 PM  

His parents named him Rinsed Pubis. It was all downhill from there.

Blogger Dave February 18, 2018 1:45 PM  

No he didn't and anyone observing reality knew it.

I'd like to visit this alternative reality you live in. Doesn't it strike you as odd that a horndog like Bill Clinton never had a recording made public or witness come forward to allege he made similar statements to Trump's. We all know he did, but as a lifelong politician, he was extremely careful concerning what he said and to whom he saud it. Democrats have much more leeway with their supporters but even Clinton knew he would've​ had to fight an uphill battle if a similar recording had turned up.

Blogger U PC BRO? February 18, 2018 2:04 PM  

@Dave

That's laughable. Clinton's sexual recklessness is well known. He was fortunate to serve before the age of social media. A compliant press buried most of his shenanigans. It was only because of the nascent independent internet press that the Monica story exploded. After Drudge broke the story it was too big to ignore, though today CNN and MSNBC would surely try

Blogger Danby February 18, 2018 2:12 PM  

Dave wrote:I'd like to visit this alternative reality you live in. Doesn't it strike you as odd that a horndog like Bill Clinton never had a recording made public or witness come forward to allege he made similar statements to Trump's. We all know he did, but as a lifelong politician, he was extremely careful concerning what he said and to whom he saud it. Democrats have much more leeway with their supporters but even Clinton knew he would've​ had to fight an uphill battle if a similar recording had turned up.
Dude,
The press would have buried it. Those recordings exist, but the people in charge of your information stream will never let you hear them.
At least 2 women came forward with credible forcible rape accusations against Bill Clinton. The news media buried the stories.

Blogger bob kek mando February 18, 2018 2:22 PM  

because foosball is never off topic, and this will warm the cockles of Vox's Black Heart
...
Aaron Rodgers is dating Danica Patrick.

and she's got two more chances at a Hultgreen-Curie.

Blogger Dave February 18, 2018 2:38 PM  

@U PC

It was well known after the fact. Everything was he said; she said, up to Lewinsky. Many Democrats admit even Clinton would've been in trouble in his re-election bid had the Lewinsky affair been made known. And that's without any recordings as graphic as the Trump tapes. All I'm saying is Preibus was advancing the conventional wisdom at the moment, which would've applied to 99.999% of politicians, even Clinton. With the benefit of hindsight we all know now that Trump was anything but your typical political animal.

Blogger bob kek mando February 18, 2018 2:43 PM  

12. Dave February 18, 2018 1:45 PM
Doesn't it strike you as odd that a horndog like Bill Clinton never had a recording made public or witness come forward to allege he made similar statements to Trump's.



the difference between ignorance and stupidity is that you can't fix stupid.

the difference between willful ignorance and the the former traits is that you COULD observe reality ... but you do not wish too.

what does the existence of this video tell you about the nature of the reality that you do not wish to observe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy6YNeauN1M

what does the existence of THIS video, concerning someone who is publicly mulling a run for president in 2020 tell you about the nature of the reality ... which you do not wish to observe?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ-YjGmpO4Q

Blogger BlowMe February 18, 2018 3:10 PM  

"We have a tendency to believe that those who are around the positions of power must be smarter or more astute than the average individual in some way. We are endlessly lectured on the importance of their gravitas, their credentials, their educations, and their comportment."

Truer words have rarely been spoken, Vox.

And nowhere is this more true than in K-12 education administration.

I often treat them with the barely-concealed contempt they so richly deserve.

Most of the time they are too stupid to recognize such treatment or, as is often the case with me, they shut the fuck up because they know the school would fall to shit without me there every damn day like clockwork.

You mean that 24-year-old dumbass education major can't control her classroom filled with teenage boys?? You mean you, as the vagina-possessing principal, spoke to the boy about his misbehavior and he's STILL misbehaving? Didn't you tell him that's not nice?

Wow. I'm stunned. Never would have suspected THAT.

But hey, don't take my advice as a 20+ year veteran male teacher with parents thanking me profusely every year for whipping their malcontented children into shape. You have the administrative certificate from Dumbfuck College of Education, so you're the expert.

Blogger Jack Daw February 18, 2018 3:10 PM  

As we hear more stories about Trump's management style, I get the impression that, when he asks people their opinion, he's merely gauging their loyalty and/or intelligence.

Blogger Somboed February 18, 2018 3:27 PM  

@16 Right on, BlowMe. I was a male junior and high school teacher back in the day. I was hired as a math teacher after first serving as a substitute. Hired solely on the fact that I was the only teacher who didn't have security come running to the room every day.

You guessed it: All the previous teachers were female.

Blogger BlowMe February 18, 2018 3:28 PM  

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Blogger Rough Carrigan February 18, 2018 3:30 PM  

First of all, the article is from Vanity Fair so you know it's from a dumb, team blue, hollywood fellating point of view.

The idea that Trump's win was a great upset is a load of shit and nothing less. Trump led all throughout the months leading up to the election. A guy named Bill Mitchell, over on twitter was unpacking all the polls that said otherwise and showed how comically slanted they were.

For the last 15 or 20 years there have been around 2-3% more registered D's than R's. But some years more D's or more R's turn out for the election based on the level of their enthusiasm.

In 2000 when team red was energized to get the Clinton stain off our country, the R's turned out in the primaries in almost the same numbers as the D's and that was reflected in general election turnout.

In 2008, when team blue was energized for the gay Kenyan, team blue turnout in the primaries was something like 6% more than team red turnout (All these numbers are rough as I'm recalling twitter posts from a year and a half ago). And that surplus of team blue voters in the primaries was reflected in their composition of the voters in the general election.

In 2016, the mainstream media polling organizations were all basing their polls on the assumption of a continuation of the 2008 and 2012 turnout when actually, there had been a big surge of team red voters showing up in the primaries.

If you took the pre-election 2016 polls to a composition reflecting the turnout in the primaries, it was impossible to get a result other than Trump winning.

I think the DHS report on voter fraud due out in March will show that team blue engaged in *massive* voter fraud. Only that massive fraud even made it seem close.

Blogger One Deplorable DT February 18, 2018 3:34 PM  

@16 - I came here to quote the exact section you quoted. Vox nailed it.

You mean you, as the vagina-possessing principal, spoke to the boy about his misbehavior and he's STILL misbehaving? Didn't you tell him that's not nice?

Literally laughed out loud. Reminded me of a conversation I once had with my mother about a family member's child who was misbehaving. This family member being a single mother, of course.

My mom went off on a rant about how she should "lecture him" and "ground him" and "lay down the law" and I openly laughed. I then had to explain to her that from 12yo on I loved her, but did not fear her in the least. And I was a 'good kid' because I still feared my father's wrath and wanted to make him proud of me and not ashamed. I predicted that Ms. Single Mom would never get her child under control. And she never did.

Women don't get it. Yet they are in charge of our schools. And they divorce the fathers of their children without a second thought. If they ever married them in the first place.

Blogger NO GOOGLES February 18, 2018 3:36 PM  

I think it is important that we at least give credit even to the hapless cucks when they do something good. Reince Preibus did dig the RNC out of a massive fundraising hole and that helped Trump win (and helped a lot of down ballot races).

The man is a neocon fool and I'm glad he's not in the administration anymore, but he did at least do one good thing. OK, let's continue bullying this cuck.

Blogger Hammerli280 February 18, 2018 3:40 PM  

"But the truth is more often than not that they simply happen to have had access to money, power, or influence."

Yup. Sheer luck, in either having access to those resources or proximity to those who do, plays a distressingly large role in governance.

Blogger Hammerli280 February 18, 2018 3:45 PM  

One other factor. Trump was an underestimated candidate, an outsider running in a year that particularly favored outsiders. But he was also running against Hillary Clinton...a pathetically weak candidate who combined personal dislikeability with a reputation for both incompetence and corruption.

I think most of the top-tier GOP candidates could have whipped her...even Jeb Bush (who would have had a hard time)

Blogger wisdom wizard February 18, 2018 3:46 PM  

They're still pushing the lie about Obama's inauguration crowd size. And they accuse the GEOTUS of overcompensating.

Blogger John Sixth February 18, 2018 3:47 PM  

They attacked Trump with the usual Democrat routine but they couldn't control the narrative against the source material. They tried the usual mysoginist/sexist/hater routine and said see? Look here. But people actually looked and he didn't say half the things they were claiming was on the tape. People saw it was a hatchet job when the msm was too lazy to even listen to the tape so they could talk intelligently about it. The sad truth was Trump spoke truth on tape, and the targeted audience for their hysterics knew it was truth the second they heard the tape. Women.

Blogger BlowMe February 18, 2018 4:04 PM  

@18

Yep. The Dark Lord nailed it, as he usually does.

"Women don't get it. Yet they are in charge of our schools."

Exactly right. They are. And they don't. And most never will, at least not on their own.

"And I was a 'good kid' because I still feared my father's wrath and wanted to make him proud of me and not ashamed. I predicted that Ms. Single Mom would never get her child under control. And she never did."

Yep. Nailed it again. Something every boy knows and feels but can't necessarily articulate.

And a male teacher is an extension of (or substitute for) paternal authority to many boys. They often seek my approval, not just alleviation from my wrath.

Being 6'0", 200+ pounds, with around 6% bodyfat, arms pushing 18", a square jaw and an absolute no-bullshit demeanor don't hurt either.

Just sayin...

Blogger Duh-ave February 18, 2018 4:16 PM  

Looking back, candidates in scandal lost because they quit. I was surprised when Clinton was re-elected. He and Grover Cleveland didn't quit and won. I wonder if LBJ would have won as well if he had just stuck it out. I saw grown men cry when he stepped out. OK, they were high school teachers.

Blogger maniacprovost February 18, 2018 4:36 PM  

The "problem", so to speak, is that Trump is an honorable man.

...what?

No part of Donald Trump's career, from his Atlantic City casino, to his status as world's greatest salesman, to his bankruptcies / failures to pay contractors, to his successful political run, have suggested "honor" to me.

If we wanted Honor, we wouldn't be voting for a leader, we would be following him onto Capitol Hill with guns and torches.

Blogger Dirk Manly February 18, 2018 5:01 PM  

@15

" All I'm saying is Preibus was advancing the conventional wisdom at the moment, which would've applied to 99.999% of politicians, "

99.999% of politicians are phonies .... scoundrels trying to present themselves to the public as being as pure as the falling snow, and for those sorts of phonies, a revelation such as that is fatally catastrophic to their political careers.

Trump NEVER made any such false presentation of himself -- on the campaign trail, he presented himself more as being in tune with, and a part of the culture of the construction workers on his sites than as someone trying to convince the people that he's some sort of angel.

His claims were capability of getting the job done, not religious role-model for the nation.

Blogger Dirk Manly February 18, 2018 5:27 PM  

@20

"I think most of the top-tier GOP candidates could have whipped her...even Jeb Bush (who would have had a hard time)"

What drugs are you taking?

NOBODY in this country wanted 3 Bushes as President, because
1) We don't want even a hint of endorsing the concept of family dynastic rule. The 2 Roosevelts and the 2 Bushes have demonstrated the lesson of the danger in that quite clearly.

2) Bush 41 was underwhelming. "No new taxes!"... signs huge tax increase without forcing a veto override. Bush 43. PATRIOT Act. Idiotic invasion plan for Iraq (Let's go in with as few forces as possible, so that we never really get control of the country. Let's send 4th ID through Turkey Plan -- without getting Turkey's permission to use their ports and highways -- ending up with a full heavy division and huge amounts of combat service support (dock operations, etc.) completely out of position instead of in Kuwait where they could actually participate. Leftist programs run-amok. Expansions of the welfare state. And JEB! makes George the Younger look like a reactionary conservative.

Blogger Aeoli Pera February 18, 2018 5:30 PM  

It's not just the USA, almost every democracy is run by people who are no more intelligent, and have no better judgment, than those annoying kids that were on your high school student council.

Except the kids you knew on your student council were less arrogant, less sheltered, and less corrupt than the average politico.


Imagine if all the student council kids from every high school went to the same high school, where they elected their own student council. Then imagine the president of that council was living their entire life trying to get that feeling of being in high school back. That's a politico.

Blogger Steve February 18, 2018 5:58 PM  

I think most of the top-tier GOP candidates could have whipped her...even Jeb Bush (who would have had a hard time)

I can't see it.

Jeb Bush was already letting Hillary AMOG him - to his face - well before the Republican primaries even began:

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/jeb-bush-hillary-clinton-national-urban-league-florida-2016-120871

She ripped his ‘right to rise’ campaign slogan. He thanked her for being there.

Please clap.

If Jeb! was the candidate, Hillary would've had him apologising before the first debate. The guy is even weaker than Bernie Sanders, and from what I gather from typical R voters, garners about as much enthusiasm as bathroom mold. There's just no way he could've reframed the narrative of Vote Hillary, Because Vagina.

Same goes for Marco Rubio, who seems likeable enough but looks like a high school debate champion. Completely out of his depth among grown ups, and getting BTFO'ed by Chris Christie in between the latter huffing bags of doughnuts proved it.

Ted Cruz, the most interesting character in the Republican race, would've been portrayed as a creepy snake-handling pastor from a lesser Stephen King novel, lost badly and been run out of national politics. He'd probably have ended up in a murder-suicide pact with his poorly-chosen megasurrogate Glenn Beck.

He was lucky that Trump eclipsed him in 2016, because there's tons of odd and off-putting material out there that barely got any media attention, particularly the nutball religious kookery his dad is into. Does THE ANOINTED WILL BRING THE SPOILS OF WAR TO THE PRIESTS sound like a winning slogan outside of Jones-and/or-Crazytown? No, it does not.

Rand Paul - Tiny and has curly hair. Often comes across as peevish. Will only be president if some sort of space virus kills off all the big people.

Ben Carson - the token black Republican never wins.

Chris Christie - Too fat and looks like a Sopranos extra.

John Kasich - A literal hunchback with a face that looks like it was carved from human shit. No message and no chance.

Lindsay Graham - Gay.

Carly Fiorina - One of the few women who could've made Hillary, or even Africanized killer bees, seem likeable by comparison.

Santorum/Jindal/Gilmore/Walker/Huckabee/Perry - not on your life.

No, friendo. Whoever was the Republican candidate would've had to surmount billions of dollars worth of pro-Hillary media portraying him as a woman-hating racist, a decade or more of voter-repelling mistrust between the GOP and its base, and an unquantifiable amount of Democrat electoral fraud.

Only one man stepped up with the right combination of charisma, messaging, courage and sheer golden-maned stubbornness to win it.

Donald J. Trump is living proof that God protects fools, drunkards, and the United States of America.

Blogger LP9 February 18, 2018 6:00 PM  

Reincey appeared to come on the RNC scene around 2005, feckless guy, luckily Trump did hire him on to help him fail so like alot of hold over staffers or careerists, credentialists that circulate Fox or DC eventual are set out to pasture.

Graphic comments?

No, as usual nothing is here or was there over those Billy Bush tapes, Bush is an idiot doing barely soft news stories about celeblibtards.

POTUS was calling out hypergamy without using the term, it really was silly "boys talk" and nothing more.

(Lunatic Madonna, whom was jealous she isn't the first lady, wants to "blow the white up", other public figures make graphic bloody music videos about Trump, graphic was Looney Toons, never was funny, Kathy Griffin invoking her inner islam holding a severed head. Yet all those rec'ed free passes, Reincey didn't do anything, didn't call the FBI or secret service, nothing.)

Blogger Were-Puppy February 18, 2018 6:22 PM  

Too bad Scaramucci didn't last long.
He was far more interesting than Rinse Pubis.

Blogger Hammerli280 February 18, 2018 7:10 PM  

@27, 28: I disagree.

Understand that I thought Jeb Bush was the weakest of the top-tier candidates. The fact that he ran at all was living proof that the GOP Establishment sucks at establishment-ing. The base despised the man, all he was going to do was suck resources away from a stronger candidate.

My assessment as of 1 Dec 2015 was:
Tier 1: Perry, Walker, Bush
Tier 2: Cruz, Rubio, Paul
Tier 2.5: Trump
No-hopers: The rest of the field

Trump won because he picked up the immigration issue that the GOPe left lying on the ground and ran with it. This gave him ~20% of the early primaries. That's not winning, it's losing...unless you're in a 15-way catfight. Then you can claim "victory" by being the least loser.

Trump also got lucky. Bush sucked up money that could have gone to Perry or Walker, thereby killing their campaigns. Then used his $100 million war chest to stomp Rubio.

Whereupon Trump stomped him.

Nevertheless, I think Hillary Clinton was vastly overestimated. Historically, a politician has 12 years from the time they reach national prominence to get into the White House. After that, they are past their sell-by date. HRC had been a player for over 20 years. On top of that, the morals issues that another candidate could use against Trump were liabilities for Clinton, too. And finally, what was she offering? An undistinguished Senator who owed her seat to her husband's political success, plus four years as an incompetent Secretary of State.

And Trump did have some strong points. He was a total outsider in a year that favored outsiders. Trump was a quick study, and a heroic campaigner. He left NOTHING in reserve those last two or three weeks.

The fun part will be 2020. Because the Dems will almost certainly come up with a scheme to beat the Trump of 2016. Which will fail utterly against the Trump of 2020. That man has 4 years in the Oval Office, and a track record to run on. You know what you're getting...and despite some annoying packaging, what's in the box is pretty good stuff.

Blogger seeingsights February 18, 2018 7:30 PM  

It is clear that Reinse Preibus showed bad judgment. Probably let his emotions influence him.
A realistic judgment about the tape is: though detrimental to the candidate, it is not itself bad enough to derail a candidate.
A political science professor has correctly predicted the Presidentisl election since 1996 and predicted a Trump victory. He looks at turnout in the primaries. A historian has, since 1984, correctly predicted the Presidetial election and predicted a Trump victory. He looks at factors such as: Is a four year incumbent running ? How did the incumbent party do in the mid terms? What is the state of the economy? Is there social chaos going on?
The above are major factors that determine who will be President. What was said on tape is like a minor three day downtrend for a stock.

Blogger Thucydides February 18, 2018 7:30 PM  

@28
"Carly Fiorina - One of the few women who could've made Hillary, or even Africanized killer bees, seem likeable by comparison."

OMG, I almost choked on my coffee! Thread winner for sure.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 18, 2018 7:48 PM  

@26 "No part of Donald Trump's career, from his Atlantic City casino, to his status as world's greatest salesman, to his bankruptcies / failures to pay contractors, to his successful political run, have suggested "honor" to me."

On the other hand, the Casino rejuvenated (and granted, it didn't last) a city that had fallen to wrack-and-ruin.

God knows, he sold whatever he tried to sell. His bankruptcies were not that many, were not always even his (he franchised HIS NAME -- if a franchisee goes bankrupt, it's not the originator/name who is necessarily responsible.

And if he declared a bankruptcy or two of his own (out of 100 companies he started?) -- THAT is what the bankruptcy laws are FOR! No one ever bothered to count up and advertise his successful companies/buildings/deals (which were many -- but, boy, they sure tried to bury him with his own (few, rare) and OTHER peoples' failures!

Failure to pay contractors? If you hire a guy to roof your house, and he does half, or does such a poor job that the rain comes in: will YOU pay him?! Out of the thousands of small companies and contractors he has hired to build and run how many hundreds of buildings, how MANY did he allegedly stiff?

A political run is not honorable? Is not politics war by other means? Has he not WON a number of battles in this ongoing war against the libs and the deep state?

You remind me of a woman who, when I answered her after she complained that Trump attended various richie-rich social gatherings -- including a Clinton wedding? (Chelsea's, I think?) THOSE PEOPLE were the ones who buy his multi-million dollar properties; you know: his customers?! Had she never heard of networking!? She was all huffy because "it wasn't seemly."

(I guess women can be cucks too? Or just piss-poor business people!)

Honor does not only consist of riding into (2016, modern-day) towns with swords drawn. That's not honor, that's just stupidity.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit February 18, 2018 10:46 PM  

...made graphic misogynist comments that were caught by an open microphone.

I am so damned tired of the lying. I'm so damned tired of right-wingers taking the vileprog's taking points, vocabulary, and assumptions and running with them.

Mr. Truman's comments were mean to sluts. And smutty.

Blogger Blastmaster February 18, 2018 11:30 PM  

A super decent guy at work with 2 kids is being divorced by his wife. She married young and decided she wants something different. Not his choice but he has no say in the matter. 3 lives are upended because of the whim of a woman

Blogger Dirk Manly February 19, 2018 2:03 AM  

"My assessment as of 1 Dec 2015 was:
Tier 1: Perry, Walker, Bush
Tier 2: Cruz, Rubio, Paul
Tier 2.5: Trump
No-hopers: The rest of the field"

Good God, it was readily apparent by Sept 1, 2015 that Trump was the ONLY candidate with the slightest clue about how to win.

Bush as Tier 1? When for a whole YEAR every republican voter was screaming at the top of their lungs "NO MORE BUSHES!!!! OR I WILL VOTE DEMOCRAT JUST TO PUNISH YOU MORONS!!!!"

How long have you been a part of the idiot-core of the RNC?

Blogger tublecane February 19, 2018 6:47 AM  

"graphic misogynist comments"

Graphic, yes. But funny how anything that puts women in a negative light, even if accurate (like Trump's comments, more or less) are somehow supposed to be hateful. Meanwhile, misandry is barely even a concept. Though there are actual misogynists out there, like there are man-haters, the concept is mostly a form of pedestalization.

Probably most people ignored the comment like Democrats mostly ignored Clinton's cornucopia of sex scandals (obviously worse than anything Trump's been accused of). Either for partisan reasons or because they simply like the guy.

However, a goodly portion of the electorate heard it and thought it sounded like the truth. Expressed more crudely than they're accustomed to hearing, perhaps. But the truth nonetheless.

A guy like Rinse Pubis, we must realize, has little experience with the truth. That's not what his career has been about. He's been conditioned to think it dangerous.

Blogger tublecane February 19, 2018 6:56 AM  

@Hammerli280- You are delusional. Yeb was a non-starter. No way another Bush gets the Republican nomination, at least for several geberations. Bush II ruined both the party brand and the conservative brand for the time being. The only people who didn't notice were the GOPe and you, apparently.

I wasn't sure about Trump immediately, but ever since he came down that escalator, I knew he was the only candidate with any juice. Top tier out of the gate.

Blogger By My Greybeard! February 19, 2018 1:31 PM  

There are several ways of understanding your statement... and of those, one than one can apply.

I'm guessing you mean by you statement he's a Repub-Proggie, a cheerleader for the Uniparty?

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Blogger Zeroh Tollrants February 20, 2018 8:41 PM  

NO. NONE of the GOP candidates other than Trump would've have beaten her. That was evident from Day 1 & still holds true today.
You do not understand how politics works.

OpenID paulmurray February 22, 2018 2:43 AM  

> The "problem", so to speak, is that Trump is an honorable man. He is probably not used to dealing with men who have no honor.

A New York property developer not used to dealing with men who have no honour? Be serious. Trump has dealt with slime his entire career. That's one reason why people voted for him.

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