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Tuesday, February 13, 2018

AIPAC attacks the 1st Amendment

Now, I am a supporter of the state of Israel. I believe Israel has the right to exist. It has legitimately settled the land on which the nation presently resides and holds it by right of conquest, twice over. Like the Prime Minister of Israel, I think all Jews should return to their national homeland at their earliest convenience, both for their own sake and for the sake of the nations in which they currently reside. I do not believe the Jews are good for America nor do I believe that attempting to utilize American power for their own ends will prove to be good for the Jews in the long run. The present situation is an obvious lose-lose scenario, no matter what soaring rhetorical appeals anyone tries to make or how grotesquely they attempt to rewrite and misrepresent American history.

And as a friend of Israel, I will not hesitate to state that the ongoing attempt by AIPAC to directly assault the U.S. Constitution and the 1st Amendment is absolutely disastrous for both Americans and Jews, and is very dangerous for both the USA and for Israel. There is little more that the Jews could do to render themselves more disgusting and abhorrent to the average American, with the sole exception of directly attacking the 2nd Amendment, than supporting the 25 state and federal laws that now attack the right of U.S. citizens to speak against Israel.
Here in the United States, the friends of Israel appear to believe that anyone who is unwilling to do business with Israel or even with the territories that it has illegally occupied should not be allowed to do business in any capacity with federal, state or even local governments. Constitutional guarantees of freedom of association for every American are apparently not valid if one particular highly favored foreign country is involved.

Twenty-four states now have legislation sanctioning those who criticize or boycott Israel. And one particular pending piece of federal legislation that is also continuing to make its way through the Senate would far exceed what is happening at the state level and would set a new standard for deference to Israeli interests on the part of the national government. It would criminalize any U.S. citizen “engaged in interstate or foreign commerce” who supports a boycott of Israel or who even goes about “requesting the furnishing of information” regarding it, with penalties enforced through amendments of two existing laws, the Export Administration Act of 1979 and the Export-Import Act of 1945, that include potential fines of between $250,000 and $1 million and up to 20 years in prison

According to the Jewish Telegraph Agency, the Senate bill was drafted with the assistance of AIPAC. The legislation, which would almost certainly be overturned as unconstitutional if it ever does in fact become law, is particularly dangerous and goes well beyond any previous pro-Israeli legislation as it essentially denies free of expression when the subject is Israel.

Israel is particularly fearful of the Boycott, Divest and Sanctions movement because its non-violence is attractive to college students, including many young Jews, who would not otherwise get involved on the issue. Benjamin Netanyahu and his government clearly understand, correctly, that BDS can do more damage than any number of terrorist attacks, as it challenges the actual legitimacy of the Israeli government and its colonizing activity in Palestine.
I don't believe in boycotting Israel. I am proud to edit and publish Israel's greatest military historian, who also happens to be one of the greatest minds in military history; in the late Jerry Pournelle's words, "a necessary addendum to Clausewitz." In fact, I am happy to announce that Castalia House will be publishing a special hardcover edition of Martin van Creveld's Pussycats later this year.

That being said, the inability of so many Jews to understand that using government power to try to limit the unalienable rights of Americans makes them the enemy of every self-respecting American, regardless of his politics or ideology, only underscores the observable fact that Jews are a separate nation, a distinct nation with their own culture, religion, language, traditions and values, and makes it clear that their ideals are intrinsically incompatible with the ideals of the American nation.

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Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2018 8:10 AM  

People who neither understand, nor desire to understand our laws and cilcult need to be booted post haste. Especially those who have embedded themselves in our legislatures and courts like trichinosos cysts.

Blogger daniel walsh February 13, 2018 8:11 AM  

When is the first Voxiversity vid coming out?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2018 8:21 AM  

Heard about this insanity months ago.

The upside I see is that every instance of overt things like this will lead to proper and thorough deportations sooner rather than later.

Blogger Dirtnapninja February 13, 2018 8:24 AM  

Shows you who holds the real power in America 2

Blogger VD February 13, 2018 8:24 AM  

Soon. All of the video and audio files for the first one have been completed and the producer is doing his thing now.

Blogger tuberman February 13, 2018 8:39 AM  

This comes close to summing up my current thoughts on Jewish influence. We don't want it or need it, so stop being destructive and go home. Most people have had their fill of the elite in these areas manipulating through banks, Hollywood, the MSM, Universities, and etc. Go back to Israel or other places your families originally came from. Take all the elite families you intermarried into with you!

Blogger bob kek mando February 13, 2018 8:40 AM  

Narcissists Never Learn.

Narcissists Never Believe Any Rules Actually Apply To Them.

Blogger tz February 13, 2018 8:47 AM  

What will happen to the virtue signallers who took down the white rule in South Africa, which is turning into a hellhole?

Note that Israel is in a similar position with Arabs and Palestinians, but with Jews occupying the areas, and with apartheid, and a wall.

Racism is still racism, even between shades of white.

I expect the identity politcs in the Democrat Party to fracture over this, especially with the Muslims coming to the fore. Probably by 2020, but maybe even in the upcoming mid-terms. Jews may have cash and influence, but they don't have votes, and demographics is destiny.

Blogger Antony February 13, 2018 8:48 AM  

Slightly OT - but as the subject of censorship, and publishing were mentioned - a good book Castalia might want to bring out is an English translation of Solzhenitsyn 's "Two Hundred Years Together".

Blogger SteelPalm February 13, 2018 8:51 AM  

I recall discussing this matter with Vox over e-mail, but ignoring the moral/ethical aspect, on which I'm mostly in agreement, I don't see how his conclusions follow.

1. How many genuine Americans (as opposed to Fake Americans) really care about the Constitution? As Vox himself correctly noted, the US ceased to be a constitutional republic after the actions of Lincoln. Since then, the Constitution has been spit upon, burnt to a crisp, and steamrolled thousands of times over by various Presidents, congressmen, judges, etc.

Does anyone on the Left care about MUH CONSTITUTION? No, they only see it as an impediment to their goal of a socialist hellhole. Cuckservatives? They can claim they do, but it's a bunch of lies contradicted by their actions. More serious right-wingers? Most just want to save Western society and America by any means necessary.

2. Related to this, I doubt this changes anyone's opinions on Jews. In fact, the more I observe matters, the more I question whether anything Jews do, good or bad, has much influence on how they're perceived. (A parallel to how nothing whites do changes them in the eyes of blacks, Hispanics, or Asians. And to some extent, particularly for those suffering from white guilt, vice versa)

Those that dislike/distrust Jews see it as further evidence of their nefarious influence on the US. It merely confirms what they already believe.

Those that like Jews are in support of this as something that works against the Antifa and Musloids organizing the BDS movement.

Those that are more neutral tend to remain neutral, because again, it's hard to get worked up over violations of the Constitution in the current political climate, and because it feels bad to be on the side of Antifa.

3. Musloids have completely beaten Israeli Jews when it comes to exerting influence over public opinion and foreign governments. Okay, Israeli Jews have influence on the US among Republicans, but the Musloids have the UN and EU, both of which officially supported BDS, most of the individual countries of Europe (BBC, anyone?), AND the Democrats in the US.

Do people complain about this increasing Musloid power and influence in the affairs of sovereign nations? Sure they do.

Have they done anything about it, even when those same Musloids blow off their 8 year-old daughter's face at a pop concert? Nope.

Again, ignoring ethics, why then should Israel continue to adopt Marquess of Queensberry deportment under the circumstances?

Keep in mind that the US interfered in Israeli elections as recently as 2016 (Obama didn't want Netanyahu to win), spied on Israel on behalf of Iran, and threatened to shoot down Israeli planes if they tried to bomb Iranian nuclear silos.

So ultimately, while I agree with Vox on this being flagrantly anti-constitutional, I don't see it changing anything.

Blogger Rabbi B February 13, 2018 8:52 AM  

The sooner we internalize the underlying principles of these simple Biblical mandates the better for everyone, Jew and non-Jew.

To the Jews in the diaspora: Make aliyah. In the meantime:

...seek the peace of the city where I have caused you to be carried away captive, and pray to the Lord for it; for in its peace you will have peace. (cf. Jeremiah 29)

And don't bitch and complain when your failure to follow this simple directive draws the ire of the citizens around you to whom you are obligated to love and to serve. It's one thing to be persecuted for living righteously and doing good, and quite another to be persecuted for being an obnoxious asshole who commits chillul Hashem on a regular basis.

And to Israel:

Stop looking to the other nations for your support and look to the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...

Now in whom do you trust, that you rebel against me? Look! You are trusting in the staff of this broken reed, Egypt, on which if a man leans, it will go into his hand and pierce it. So is Pharaoh king of Egypt to all who trust in him. (cf. Isaiah 36)

AIPAC is not good for the Jews.

OpenID winstonwebb February 13, 2018 8:58 AM  

I think all Jews should return to their national homeland at their earliest convenience

Voluntary repatriation is best repatriation.

Blogger Ben Kurtz February 13, 2018 9:02 AM  

Anti-boycott legislation actually has a bit of a history in Europe.

The most prominent example is Section 7 of the German AWV law, which "probits German residents from declaring their participation in a boycott against another state in the context of foreign trade or payment transaction, where such a boycott goes beyond trade restrictions or sanction applicable under EU or German law." German companies negotiating with American companies will frequently insert "anti-boycott" savings clauses in U.S. law contracts in which the German company is asked to represent that it has complied with a laundry list of sanctions programs (including UN, US and UK rules that may not be, strictly speaking, binding on the German company as a matter of public law), to avoid the possibility that the German company's signing such an agreement would amount to a punishable declaration of participation in an unauthorized boycott.

See: https://www.debevoise.com/insights/publications/2015/04/the-eu-sanctions-landscape-in-2015

That being said, there are any number of laws on the books in "liberal" western European democracies that are anathema to heritage American values -- severe gun control and criminalization of "hate speech," to name a couple of examples -- so take what they do over in Europe with a big grain of salt.

At bottom, this gives off the impression of AIPAC and its elite east coast Jewish support base losing sight of American values in favor of off-the-shelf "liberal" European approaches, similar to how the broader elite coastal establishment has embraced anti-liberty European ideals about controlling "hate speech" and the like, rather than AIPAC and its Jewish support base going off on some uniquely Jewish version of anti-American sentiment.

I think I got this idea from Steve Sailer, somehow, but I have the impression that Ashkenazi Jews simply tend towards being overachievers in general, and if the prevailing elite culture has a strongly anti-heritage-American and anti-liberty ethos, then Jews acculturated in that environment will excel at being anti-heritage-American and anti-liberty. By contrast, Jews who find themselves turned in a different direction will excel at being pro-heritage-America -- Stephen Miller comes to mind as the first example. And I have a hard time believing that Jews are uniquely responsible for guiding elite "liberal" consensus in an anti-American, anti-White and anti-liberty direction. Germany is notoriously short of Jews in recent decades and still managed to invite millions of Muslim invaders all by itself. The mainline Protestant denominations are not particularly Jewish -- obviously -- yet they have managed to self-cuck to an epic degree. The examples go on.

Blogger VD February 13, 2018 9:07 AM  

How many genuine Americans (as opposed to Fake Americans) really care about the Constitution?

Tens of millions. That's why Democrats no longer dare to directly support gun control.

I doubt this changes anyone's opinions on Jews.

You're absolutely and utterly wrong. Steelpalm, you have repeatedly exhibited a complete inability to detach your feelings about how your people are perceived by others from how they actually are perceived, fairly or unfairly. But don't take my word for it. Ask the philosemites here how they feel about it.

They may like Jews, but they'll put you in the fucking oven and turn it on themselves before they'll let you take their guns or their rights away. They don't like anything that much, except Jesus.

Those that like Jews are in support of this as something that works against the Antifa and Musloids organizing the BDS movement.

You are deluding yourself. This has all been done very quietly. There is absolutely zero mass support for this, not even in the most ardently Christian Zionist churches.

Again, ignoring ethics, why then should Israel continue to adopt Marquess of Queensberry deportment under the circumstances?

Because you are going to turn Americans into Jew-hating enemies by directly attacking American traditions, ideals, and values. Your behavior in blithely dismissing my warnings is remarkably similar to Jewish reasoning in the 1930s. Jews in the 1930s believed they could safely wield their economic power against Germans. Jews in the 2010s believe they can safely wield their political and economic power against Americans.

It's not about Marquess of Queensberry deportment. It's about not converting friends and neutrals into implacable enemies.

Do you truly not realize how utterly evil your position sounds to an American? "Well, why can't we get rid of your 1st Amendment?"

Because Americans would rather kill every last Jew on the planet than give it up. That's why. So leave it alone and find another, considerably less dangerous way to protect Israel's economy.

Blogger Jeshurun February 13, 2018 9:09 AM  

If you believe they are the Jews of the bible then you are without understanding and deceived. And if you believe a piece of land labeled Israel is Israel of the bible you are deceived once again.

Jesus' own words about these people in Revelation 3: 9 Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie.

Blogger CarpeOro February 13, 2018 9:09 AM  

I'd like to see all of the nations posting such laws applying them to the "refugees" and immigrants. Won't help the USA much, but it would be a start. Greater impact in UK and France.

Blogger tz February 13, 2018 9:10 AM  

Also compare Poland's new law saying don't call them Polish death camps. Lots of heat over that.

Blogger CarpeOro February 13, 2018 9:12 AM  

To clarify, I would like the ruling class to make clear who we are forced to associate with so the other side can go crazy. The normies need to see the truth in big block letters - they don't matter to their masters.

Blogger Eric Steiger February 13, 2018 9:16 AM  

On the bright side, this display of naked force is another indicator that the Zionist stranglehold has reached its high water mark and will start to recede in the coming years.
That is not to say it cannot or will not remain a powerful force for some time, but once persuasive gives way to open authoritarianism, the end result is inevitable.

Blogger tz February 13, 2018 9:16 AM  

As to "how many care?". There are enough that matter and are active. Don't count the sheep, but the wolves and pumas.

Blogger freddie_mac February 13, 2018 9:22 AM  

Heard about this a few months back, and contacted my representative. Her immediate response was to reassure me that she's a strong friend of Israel. However, I received no response when I followed up, asking about her enthusiasm for undermining the First Amendment at the behest of a foreign power.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 13, 2018 9:23 AM  

I'd say they are leading the way on identity politics.

Can I criminalize Shumer or Feinstein or the rest of that gang for interfering with my god given right to buy a Galil, or a boat load of IMI Nato spec ammo for it? I hope so, 20 years in the pokey ought to finish them off.

Blogger SteelPalm February 13, 2018 9:24 AM  

@12 VD

Steelpalm, you have repeatedly exhibited a complete inability to detach your feelings about how your people are perceived by others from how they actually are perceived, fairly or unfairly.

On the contrary, I'm perfectly detached on the matter. Vox, I have personally seen the reaction of genuine Americans, pro-Jewish, neutral, and anti-Jewish, church-going and secular, on this question.

It is utterly different than what you're claiming.

Because you are going to turn Americans into Jew-hating enemies by directly attacking American traditions, ideals, and values. Your behavior in blithely dismissing my warnings is remarkably similar to Jewish reasoning in the 1930s. Jews in the 1930s believed they could safely wield their economic power against Germans. Jews in the 2010s believe they can safely wield their political and economic power against Americans.

Do you truly not realize how utterly evil your position sounds to an American? "Well, why can't we get rid of your 1st Amendment?"

Because Americans would rather kill every last Jew on the planet than give it up. That's why. So leave it alone and find another, considerably less dangerous way to protect Israel's economy.


So let me get this straight...the same country you mock for surrendering its borders and heritage to immigrant invaders with nary a peep, who has seen the Constitution being defiled for the last 150 years by Presidents on down,, including THOUSANDS of unconstitutional laws, is all of a sudden going to turn into 1930's Germany (a country with a long history of Jew-hatred before that) for the Jews because Israel targeted Musloids and Antifa with a law that violates part of the First Amendment?

Call me skeptical.

Although it sure would be nice if even half that much fire and gumption was present in dealing with immigration or foreign encroachment in general.

Blogger Dirtnapninja February 13, 2018 9:26 AM  

Eric Steiger wrote:On the bright side, this display of naked force is another indicator that the Zionist stranglehold has reached its high water mark and will start to recede in the coming years.

That is not to say it cannot or will not remain a powerful force for some time, but once persuasive gives way to open authoritarianism, the end result is inevitable.


The Jewish Raj is at its high water mark. But its moral authority is declining quickly. Jewish influence will begin declining very quickly in the next generation.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 13, 2018 9:31 AM  

Will Debbie Wasserman Shultz put down the blonde hair dye long enough to lead the BDS movement against me for buying the 40 round magazines for my soon to be purchased Galil (Folding stock please)?

Off to jail she goes, dark roots and all.

Blogger pyrrhus February 13, 2018 9:37 AM  

@20
There are two factors here. First, America has always viewed the 1st Amendment as the most important one, and freedom of speech as sacrosanct (despite some violations in wartime). Second, no nation wants to be dictated to by a foreign power, and the reaction against such interference is usually strong.
AIPAC is playing with fire...

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2018 9:37 AM  

"ignoring ethics, why then should Israel continue to adopt Marquess of Queensberry deportment under the circumstances?"

Because even if you're playing night of the long knives rules, stabbing your allies in the face is liable to end badly for you. ESPECIALLY if you're playing night of the long knives rules.

This is more like 1984 rules. Don't forget that turnabout is fair play. Pushing large numbers of allies into the arms of the people who would love to put the Ashkenaz in mass graves is extremely unwise for the Ashkenaz.

"the same country you mock for surrendering its borders and heritage to immigrant invaders with nary a peep, who has seen the Constitution being defiled for the last 150 years by Presidents on down,, including THOUSANDS of unconstitutional laws, is all of a sudden going to turn into 1930's Germany"

Which straw will be THE straw, Steel Palm? Beat a man down long enough, shove him into a tight enough corner, he's going to kill you without a second thought when he psychologically, physically, and finally socially escapes your grasp.

Blogger Shimshon February 13, 2018 9:38 AM  

Vox, my father in law is a Real American who traces his lineage to the Mayflower. He loves his guns. Cold dead hands and all that. I doubt he would have a problem with this. He gets that there is a conflict, and using the enemy's anti-free-speech precedents against it may, MAY, be justified. You've said as much yourself, have you not? Embrace Alinsky and make them live by their rules.

That being said, I don't know if all Real Americans are like my FIL. Having two daughters in Israel may color his opinion, of course.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2018 9:39 AM  

Just before you lose power is the time to impress into memory that you are a benevolent master.

Impressing that you're weak, desperate, and cruel is rather unwise.

Blogger pyrrhus February 13, 2018 9:40 AM  

Sun Tzu repeatedly cautioned against putting your enemy into a position where no retreat or escape is possible....Because then you have a tiger by the tale.

Blogger Uncle John's Band February 13, 2018 9:41 AM  

The collective term “Jews” papers over a lot of significant differences within that population, which contributes to the wildly divergent opinions. The differences between Israeli and diaspora Jews are clear in the aggregate, but Jewishness as lived in America is itself ambiguous, because it combines aspects of culture and religion in ways that other groups do not. One can flow between these categories in ways that seem manipulative to outsiders; atheists appealing to religious protections to defend cultural practices, for example. Theoretically, Christians and Muslims are defined by the acceptance of Christ as savior and submission to the will of Allah respectively, regardless of race, while the Dutch or Koreans are defined by genetic/cultural heritage, regardless of religious affiliation. What, exactly, are Jews?

Categorical slipperiness is advantageous in a system built on identity politics, but once noted, it fuels collective distrust.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2018 9:44 AM  

"I doubt he would have a problem with this."

I'd have said the same thing about my parents and brother a few years ago.

Today my parents are getting closer to the 2nd amendment style reaction. Actions have consequences, and goodwill will not extend forever, especially as the propaganda monopolies continue to fail.

There's no "close" where my brother is concerned. He might be further to my side of the aisle than I am at this point.

"Embrace Alinsky and make them live by their rules."

That'd be all well and good, except in this case you're not only making them live by their rules. You're also making their victims live by yet more unjust rules.

Blogger Shimshon February 13, 2018 9:48 AM  

@29 "That'd be all well and good, except in this case you're not only making them live by their rules. You're also making their victims live by yet more unjust rules."

Technically, I'm just playing devil's advocate. I think Vox is right.

Blogger SteelPalm February 13, 2018 9:52 AM  

@24 Because even if you're playing night of the long knives rules, stabbing your allies in the face is liable to end badly for you. ESPECIALLY if you're playing night of the long knives rules.

Uh-huh. Did you read my first post above? The US interfered in Israeli elections as recently as 2016, spied on them for their mortal enemy Iran, and threatened to shoot their planes down if they bombed Iranian nuclear silos.

Quite a bit more egregious than an unconstitutional law, eh?

Did the US suffer any consequences for this, OR did it change how Israeli Jews felt towards Americans?

Nope, not an iota either way.

Which is a good thing, because if everyone reasoned like you, the human race would have long since ceased existing.

Incidentally, while Israel owes an eternal debt of gratitude to the US, without which it might not have survived, it doesn't owe anything to the French. France has been meddling in Israeli affairs for the last 60-odd years, trying very, very hard to exterminate Jews through a variety of NGOs, boycotts, sanctions, arming and aiding their Musloid enemies, etc.

Something tells me that you wouldn't support Israel executing all French interlopers within the country, however.

Blogger Desdichado February 13, 2018 9:55 AM  

Yeah, most Americans don't pay attention, and their love of the Constitution doesn't have a lot to do with the way Washington operates, which they consider "inside baseball." But there's a LOT of anger over repeated sallies against the Bill of Rights.

This will not be popular.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 13, 2018 9:56 AM  

Germanic style anti-semitism is a bit tiring with the all or nothing aspect to it, it grates on my Scots-Irish blood.

Give it over to us and in a few generations the Jewish descendants can sit next to the Cherokee descendants at the family pig roast.

Blogger Rabbi B February 13, 2018 10:07 AM  

The general perception of Jews is negative and is what it is. Rather than complain about it and make it worse in the way that AIPAC and the ADL do, we should be the ones going out of our way to change these perceptions, not reinforcing them.

Blogger tuberman February 13, 2018 10:09 AM  

Remember, it only took a small percent to get the 1776 going. The hard-core patriots are several times that now what there were then, so do the math on how this all comes out.
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Blogger CarpeOro February 13, 2018 10:09 AM  

@SteelPalm

No clue who the Americans you take your impressions from. Being a mere peon here in fly-over-country, I don't see it. Maybe they are like Shimson's FIL and have relatives in Israel? Here in the Midwest where there are more licensed hunters than people in Israel and the quickest way to losing an election outside of the decaying major cities is to be anti-gun - your mileage will be close to nil. Oh, and the husband of one of my cousins - who happens to be a retired hvac repairman, Vietnam vet, and Jewish would tell you the same. Will he might be in sympathy with it, being a mere peon he would tell you this is the best way to stir up anti-Jewish support.

Blogger tuberman February 13, 2018 10:16 AM  

"The US interfered in Israeli elections as recently as 2016, spied on them for their mortal enemy Iran, and threatened to shoot their planes down if they bombed Iranian nuclear silos."

Yep, and that was the BHO administration, supported by most USA Jews, and the C_A, which answers to nobody in the USA for years, as they have black ops all over the world. Your elites built a world where these two ruled?!

Blogger Chris Mallory February 13, 2018 10:17 AM  

SteelPalm wrote:The US interfered in Israeli elections as recently as 2016, spied on them for their mortal enemy Iran, and threatened to shoot their planes down if they bombed Iranian nuclear silos.

Israel has meddled in US elections for decades.
Israeli spies have given US secrets and technology to both Russia and China.
If Israel is attempting to start WW III, then yes we should shoot down their planes.

Blogger freddie_mac February 13, 2018 10:18 AM  

Heard about this a few months back, and contacted my representative. Her immediate response was to reassure me that she's a strong friend of Israel. However, I received no response when I followed up, asking about her enthusiasm for undermining the First Amendment at the behest of a foreign power.

Blogger Crew February 13, 2018 10:24 AM  

When are the first Muslims in the UK going to be charged with hate crimes for their anti-Semitism, or are only whites to be charged?

Blogger DonReynolds February 13, 2018 10:32 AM  

No law can modify or repeal a Constitutional amendment. Any law that contradicts the Constitution is unconstitutional and thus null and void.

I do not know how it would be possible to require Americans to do business with Israel. We have no such laws and none are necessary.

Without going into unnecessary detail, I will simply say I am also a friend of Israel. The Israeli occupation and administration and rule over the lands captured during wartime is neither illegal or unusual. Palestinians are Israeli citizens. There is no separate state.

(I once shared an office with a chemistry professor at a college who was an Israeli citizen from Palestine. We had a number of interesting conversations.)

Israelis are not Americans and their values are not identical to Americans. A good portion of the Israeli military are American citizens, exempted from any US duty. I blame this on our willingness to allow dual citizenship, which should never be permitted.

Blogger tuberman February 13, 2018 10:34 AM  

Crew wrote:When are the first Muslims in the UK going to be charged with hate crimes for their anti-Semitism, or are only whites to be charged?

Wrong question: Who in the UK has made deals with the Muslims and why? Who is in control of the UK elites? Fixed.

Blogger VD February 13, 2018 10:35 AM  

I have personally seen the reaction of genuine Americans, pro-Jewish, neutral, and anti-Jewish, church-going and secular, on this question. It is utterly different than what you're claiming.

Whatever. They said Hillary was inevitable too. Don't say you weren't warned.

Blogger wreckage February 13, 2018 10:36 AM  

It's symbolic. An attack on the Constitution is an attack on identity. Attacks on identity are to a limited degree tolerated from in-group. From out-group they stir up rage.
Jews in the USA are going to face a rough time as identity politics gets rolling; quite contrary to what left-wing philosemites imagined.

What will happen is there will be White Us, and EVERYONE ELSE Them, and the Jews who have achieved and prospered will suddenly find themselves the wealthiest and most influential of a Them they never really thought they were part of.

That is a very, very bad place to be, because you become the face of the enemy.

Blogger Koanic February 13, 2018 10:37 AM  

If they won't listen to Jesus...

Blogger DonReynolds February 13, 2018 10:39 AM  

Crew wrote:When are the first Muslims in the UK going to be charged with hate crimes for their anti-Semitism, or are only whites to be charged?

A valid question, but I would certainly add when the UK government is going to enforce their laws against speaking......speaking badly of homosexuals? Yes, even tourists can find themselves getting a stern warning from the police.

Yes, the Muslims hate the Jews, but they do not toss them from the rooftops to their death on the sidewalk. The British are so incredibly protective of homosexuals that it is surprising that little matter has escaped their attention.

Blogger VD February 13, 2018 10:39 AM  

Vox, my father in law is a Real American who traces his lineage to the Mayflower. He loves his guns. Cold dead hands and all that. I doubt he would have a problem with this.

Ask him if he'll give up his guns for Israel. Then ask him why he's willing to give up his rights to free speech for it.

Blogger Rabbi B February 13, 2018 10:40 AM  

@45 Koanic

Listening to Moses and the prophets would be a good start.

Blogger James Dixon February 13, 2018 10:40 AM  

> ...is all of a sudden going to turn into 1930's Germany (a country with a long history of Jew-hatred before that) for the Jews because Israel targeted Musloids and Antifa with a law that violates part of the First Amendment?

Oh, if we turn we'll make you think Germany was a brief rainstorm during a stroll in the park. You don't want that. You really don't want that.

Blogger S1AL February 13, 2018 10:46 AM  

"Oh, if we turn we'll make you think Germany was a brief rainstorm during a stroll in the park. You don't want that. You really don't want that."

Sometimes I think people forget that we were willing to drop two atomic bombs on Japan because we believed it was morally justified to save lives.

How, precisely, do they think Americans who don't care about morality will act?

Blogger Matthew February 13, 2018 10:46 AM  

James Dixon wrote:Oh, if we turn we'll make you think Germany was a brief rainstorm during a stroll in the park. You don't want that. You really don't want that.

The Germans were orderly and reasonably friendly about it.

Now think about the difference in temperament between Germans and Scots-Irish.

Blogger Longtime Lurker February 13, 2018 10:49 AM  

Vox, as pointed as your remarks may strike some, it is actually a kindness to state the case with such bedrock frankness.

Blogger Felix February 13, 2018 10:52 AM  

Freedom of speech is curtailed in so many ways already. Wishful thinking VD .Almost no one cares outside of echo chambers \sycophants.

Blogger Shimshon February 13, 2018 10:52 AM  

"Ask him if he'll give up his guns for Israel. Then ask him why he's willing to give up his rights to free speech for it."

Isn't that a false dichotomy?

Dispensing with Constitutional niceties seems to be national sport. I don't recall too many here objecting when Q as much said a lot of cretins were being renditioned extraordinarily and that military tribunals will ensue (what? don't they have a right to civilian jury trial?). I recall many want to be first in line to mete out punishment, trial or not.

I get why you fellow white people don't like this attack on free speech, but you can't seriously entertain the idea that BDS advocates generally are friends of the west. Pat Buchanan and other right wing BDS fans notwithstanding. It's the enemies of the west who are organizing it. The right wing endorsers are just water carriers.

Blogger Shimshon February 13, 2018 10:55 AM  

Obviously, AIPAC doesn't get the subtleties I'm raising, and they're more than likely to attack supporters and sympathizers of Israel who lean "too far" to the right. But I think most Americans will think like SteelPalm says. Eh, those perverts want to force me to bake a cake. BAKE THIS ASSHOLES! And be just fine with some turnabout.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2018 10:57 AM  

"all of a sudden going to turn into 1930's Germany"

I could also point out that while in Germany, Hitler and the Party were telling the People that the Jews were evil, modern America already has a large portion of the People telling each other that the Jews are evil, or at least dishonest, untrustworthy, and hostile/selfish.

Get "the Party" here (whatever it may end up being) preaching the same tune, and it'll probably be a whole lot worse.

Blogger DonReynolds February 13, 2018 10:58 AM  

Matthew wrote:James Dixon wrote:Oh, if we turn we'll make you think Germany was a brief rainstorm during a stroll in the park. You don't want that. You really don't want that.

The Germans were orderly and reasonably friendly about it.

Now think about the difference in temperament between Germans and Scots-Irish.


Coffee almost came out my nose when I read that!

Yes, the Germans have a mania for order, and efficiency, which is their highest good.

We Scot-Irish have no such interest in order or efficiency. Our highest good is in immediate action, without delay or hesitation, be decisive, be direct.
They would not go to too much trouble, certainly no train transport or camps.

Yes, that would make for some important differences.

Blogger Bobiojimbo February 13, 2018 11:00 AM  

I think the Jews (I dislike using this term, but it appears appropriate for this conversation) are missing the fact that they can use the BDS tactic just as much as anyone else. It's the same blindness the Republicans and conservatives willing adopted.

One of the greatest benefits of the 1st Amendment is that it allows the toothless lions to roar, which then allows one to act accordingly.

Blogger tuberman February 13, 2018 11:02 AM  

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Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2018 11:06 AM  

"Isn't that a false dichotomy?"

No.

"you can't seriously entertain the idea that BDS advocates generally are friends of the west"

On that point alone, we can't say whether they're friends or not. Their adversaries on that single point, on the other hand... are only highly visible on that single point, and in doing this are clearly enemies.

"BAKE THIS"

As soon as people start focusing on the 1st en-masse, a lot of them aren't going to remember the other irrelevant cake. It's a narrow margin, those who are both smart enough to be aware of BDS supporters' other tendencies, yet stupid enough to lump every single aspect of something together as either good or bad.

The propaganda is a mixed bag on this one too. It's basically a hot "potato" just waiting for a critical mass of public awareness at this point.

Blogger Koanic February 13, 2018 11:12 AM  

> The Germans were orderly and reasonably friendly about it.

Not all Scotch-Irish are devoid of class. My grandfather kept a bowl made of a human cranium in his trophy cabinet.

OpenID karsten01 February 13, 2018 11:13 AM  

"In fact, the more I observe matters, the more I question whether anything Jews do, good or bad, has much influence on how they're perceived."

There's a good way to test this hypothesis. To wit:

"Those that dislike/distrust Jews see it as further evidence of their nefarious influence on the US. It merely confirms what they already believe."

They could try, you know, not exerting nefarious influence on the U.S.

Blogger tuberman February 13, 2018 11:19 AM  

59. Azure Amaranthine

The "critical mass" is forming now. The elite is being undercut in all areas, but especially their money strings. When the elite no longer has enough bribe money to influence everyone a whole new awareness will occur.

Blogger The Cooler February 13, 2018 11:28 AM  

By and large, goy-cattle philosemitism dies with the Boomers. I have a hard time believing that Jews are unaware of this, yet here we are.

Blogger newbietrader February 13, 2018 11:34 AM  

and the alt right attacks the 1st amendment every time IT WANTS TO SILENCE people it disagrees with

Blogger CarpeOro February 13, 2018 11:36 AM  

@Shimshon
""Ask him if he'll give up his guns for Israel. Then ask him why he's willing to give up his rights to free speech for it."

Isn't that a false dichotomy?"

Honestly, I don't pretend to know what your thought processes are on this matter. Do you think they are the same as an Italian? A Spaniard? Or perhaps that everyone everywhere has the same culture? I doubt that my culture and foundational beliefs are identical to yours. Personally I have never advocated or supported the BDS movement (and was against the EXACT same process when it was used against South Africa - even if for the wrong reasons at the time). To state the problem succinctly this type of projection and telling those that disagree with it that they may as well face the fact that they will simply have to deal with it is not very wise. While it may be generally recognized that the Constitution has been subverted and perverted, there are people like myself that consider themselves on the alt-right because of this. I still believe and desire a country that runs by these precepts. Perhaps it is part of your culture to simply accept the way things are, but it is not part of mine. You really don't understand the forces behind MAGA if you think it stops with Donald Trump and his preferences.

Blogger Lazarus February 13, 2018 11:36 AM  

The article in question has a link to the federal legislation the writer is referring to, S. 720.

To amend the Export Administration Act of 1979 to include in the prohibitions
on boycotts against allies of the United States boycotts fostered
by international governmental organizations against Israel....


It goes on to reference bodies like the U.N. and E.U.
No mention of US citizens being sanctioned.

Blogger newbietrader February 13, 2018 11:36 AM  

you tell "blacks, browns and jews" on a regular basis they should NOT have the same rights as whites and now you complain that one of those groups turns the table on you - LOL

you alt righters are such HYPOCRITES

Blogger Anno Ruse February 13, 2018 11:38 AM  

@Steelpalm "In fact, the more I observe matters, the more I question whether anything Jews do, good or bad, has much influence on how they're perceived."

If you can't change people's minds in a country with millions of people that would genocide you, it's probably wise to exit stage left. And if Jews are so bad at propaganda that they can't get people to LIKE them, it's probably time to get out of the propaganda game.

But hey. What do you say to a Jew standing in line for the ovens? Nothing, he's already been told a hundred times.

Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2018 11:42 AM  

@Steelpalm

Don't play with cigarette lighter in a room full of hydrocarbon fuel fumes abd bottles of nitroglycerin laying around. It never ends well.

Blogger Jack Amok February 13, 2018 11:43 AM  

Vox suggests it's a bad idea for Jews to piss off their american friends by trampling on our political heritage. Jews respond by saying Americans aren't their friends and have a shitty political heritage anyway.

Damn funny, if you like dark humor.



Blogger Rabbi B February 13, 2018 11:47 AM  

you tell "blacks, browns and jews" on a regular basis they should NOT have the same rights as whites and now you complain that one of those groups turns the table on you - LOL

you alt righters are such HYPOCRITES

And you're being obtuse. No one's complaining about anything. Just stating an observable claim.

We're only turning the table on ourselves by making ourselves even more conspicuous than we ought and in a way that folks will not tolerate for much longer.

Blogger LES February 13, 2018 11:48 AM  

So, "Israel" is entitled to take whatever territory they want even though they are not obeying the Law of Moses, have no prophet giving God's authority and are breaking the Commandments against stealing and murder?

Might makes right? If "Israel" can legitimately steal land by military conquest they have the same right to conquer the US with laws. If a stronger man kicks me out of my home and makes me live in a tent in my backyard then might makes right?

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 13, 2018 11:53 AM  

@8 "How many genuine Americans (as opposed to Fake Americans) really care about the Constitution? "

Proof, if any was needed, that you are NOT one of us, NOT an American!

The vast majority of 'genuine' Americans absolutely care about the Constitution, and want it RE-instituted in the new America. That lefties and other traitors -- who actually ride their Constitutional rights pretty damned hard -- only care about how they can manipulate and use THE CONSTITUTION against us and for their own destructive purposes. Do you note that they TOO rely on it?

You must go back; and if you're already back, you need to call your con-racials OUT of our country (and all countries) into your and their OWN country. You DON'T belong here, and you've just proved it!

Blogger Rabbi B February 13, 2018 11:53 AM  

@72 LES

Yes.

Blogger Rabbi B February 13, 2018 11:56 AM  

@72

Qualification: what was given to them by God. Even God told them there were areas that were off limits.

It's called the Israeli DEFENSE Force for a reason.

Blogger James Dixon February 13, 2018 12:00 PM  

> Dispensing with Constitutional niceties seems to be national sport.

Amongst ourselves. Not by outsiders.

> and the alt right attacks the 1st amendment every time IT WANTS TO SILENCE people it disagrees with

> you tell "blacks, browns and jews" on a regular basis they should NOT have the same rights as whites and now you complain that one of those groups turns the table on you - LOL

Liar.

Blogger LES February 13, 2018 12:01 PM  

@75 So we can expect the wars to continue until "Israel" takes all the land God
promised to Abraham "from the river in Egypt to the Euphrates (in Iraq)?" Genesis 15:18

Blogger Rabbi B February 13, 2018 12:04 PM  

@77 LES

You are not wrong ...

Blogger Rabbi B February 13, 2018 12:05 PM  

@77 LES

... and the Bible tells me so.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 13, 2018 12:07 PM  

To the Jewish posters here enduring the threats of whatever from some of my Scots-Irish compatriots, here is the timeline of the great pograms at the hands of the rednecks and hillbillies.

First is much jaw jaw and shit talking, second comes some violence of a chaotic and nasty nature, but within a day of such crass ventures we will get thirsty and lonely for some company if you know what I mean. By the end of day 2 we are down to breaking into your liquor cabinets and making drunken passes at your sisters, so be brave Hebrews for this too will pass as the worst pogram evah.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2018 12:07 PM  

karsten01 wrote:"Those that dislike/distrust Jews see it as further evidence of their nefarious influence on the US. It merely confirms what they already believe."

They could try, you know, not exerting nefarious influence on the U.S.


That's crazy talk!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener February 13, 2018 12:07 PM  

Judea Declares War on Americans

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 13, 2018 12:16 PM  

"... the more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

Authoritarians always think this doesn't / won't apply to them.

But it does.

Blogger VD February 13, 2018 12:16 PM  

Might makes right? If "Israel" can legitimately steal land by military conquest they have the same right to conquer the US with laws. If a stronger man kicks me out of my home and makes me live in a tent in my backyard then might makes right?

Are you going to give me back my tribe's land? Then don't complain about the Israelis taking Palestinian land, as they previously took Canaanite land.

Might has ALWAYS made right when it comes to the claims of nations to geography.

Blogger cheddarman February 13, 2018 12:21 PM  

The Bible and history teach us that the Jews are a stubborn and stiff necked people. I don't expect this to go well for them.

Blogger James Dixon February 13, 2018 12:26 PM  

> ...second comes some violence of a chaotic and nasty nature...

By a people with enough spare nukes to turn the entire Middle East into a pane of glass.

Blogger VD February 13, 2018 12:28 PM  

Of course, Americans can't ever militarily threaten Israel. After all, Israel has nukes too and might nuke Washington DC! And New York City! And... and Los Angeles!

That's just not the deterrent they probably think it is.

Blogger LES February 13, 2018 12:32 PM  

@83 I am not guilty of taking your tribe's land. However, I refuse to be complicit in Israel's crimes.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener February 13, 2018 12:33 PM  

"Are you going to give me back my tribe's land?"

As long as you're not Comanche, I support this.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 13, 2018 12:42 PM  

So if you visit, and have a conversation among yourselves, you can get in trouble?

Sounds like it would be better to vacation in Communist China. You can't talk about democracy there, but there seems to be more speech that is off-limits in the U.K. than in China.

Blogger VD February 13, 2018 12:47 PM  

I am not guilty of taking your tribe's land.

You're in wrongful possession of it, are you not?

However, I refuse to be complicit in Israel's crimes.

How is an Israeli committing any crime that you aren't? Because their great-grandfathers conquered the land whereas your great-great-great-great-great grandfathers did?

Blogger hewhofuckscouchs February 13, 2018 12:54 PM  

"After all, Israel has nukes too and might nuke Washington DC! And New York City! And... and Los Angeles!"

Aaand nothing of value was lost.

Blogger LES February 13, 2018 12:57 PM  

@90 OK. So someone should tell president Trump that there will be no peace in the Middle East until either "Israel" controls all the land promised to Abraham in Genesis 15:18 or "Israel" ceases to exist. Maybe "Israel" should get its muscle from God instead of the US.

Blogger Rabbi B February 13, 2018 1:07 PM  

@97 LES

Maybe "Israel" should get its muscle from God instead of the US.

From your lips to God's ears. May it be so.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2018 1:08 PM  

VD wrote:Of course, Americans can't ever militarily threaten Israel. After all, Israel has nukes too and might nuke Washington DC! And New York City! And... and Los Angeles!

I'll chip in to make that happen.

Blogger Aeoli February 13, 2018 1:19 PM  

Next up, a star of David on the right hand or forehead to show support, or else you aren't allowed to buy or sell.

Blogger The Cooler February 13, 2018 1:20 PM  

Of course, Americans can't ever militarily threaten Israel. After all, Israel has nukes too and might nuke Washington DC! And New York City! And... and Los Angeles!

Note to self: Vox Day to longer receive game plan dossiers.

Blogger The Cooler February 13, 2018 1:21 PM  

Of course, Americans can't ever militarily threaten Israel. After all, Israel has nukes too and might nuke Washington DC! And New York City! And... and Los Angeles!

Note to self: Vox Day to longer receive game plan dossiers.

Blogger Aeoli February 13, 2018 1:22 PM  

But hey, I'm no prophet. All I'm saying is...when it's SJWs, you don't need to be.

Blogger Patrick Kelly February 13, 2018 1:36 PM  

"Although it sure would be nice if even half that much fire and gumption was present in dealing with immigration or foreign encroachment in general."

That is an internal squabble. I don't want Israelis/Jews interfering in it any more than with the Bill of Rights. I don't want any foreign interests interfering. You ain't seen fire and gumption yet.

Blogger Patrick Kelly February 13, 2018 1:39 PM  

Might doesn't make right, but it does define borders.

Blogger Danby February 13, 2018 2:08 PM  

newbietrader wrote:and the alt right attacks the 1st amendment every time IT WANTS TO SILENCE people it disagrees with
no one is trying to silence you, newb.
Though we would appreciate it if you would just STFU

Blogger DonReynolds February 13, 2018 2:32 PM  

Danby wrote:newbietrader wrote:and the alt right attacks the 1st amendment every time IT WANTS TO SILENCE people it disagrees with

no one is trying to silence you, newb.

Though we would appreciate it if you would just STFU


newbie is just lost and confused.
He must be looking for the Huffington Post.....which is down the hall on the Far Left.

Neither the Right or Alt-Right tries to silence anybody and never has. That nonsense comes from the Leftists....they call it Hate Speech.

Blogger SteelPalm February 13, 2018 2:34 PM  

@46 VD Whatever. They said Hillary was inevitable too. Don't say you weren't warned.

Come now, Vox. You've invoked personal experiences in various conversations we've had too, and I've always accepted it, as I have found you to be unflinchingly honest.

In this case, I understand your reasoning, but I also know what I see in person in the US.

OpenID Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass February 13, 2018 2:37 PM  

How stupid can they be? I support Israel too but this is idiotic.

Blogger Rabbi B February 13, 2018 2:37 PM  

@107 SteelPalm

The trains will be fine.

Blogger Bobiojimbo February 13, 2018 2:38 PM  

@newbietrader You haven't been silenced, so clearly we're more interested in conversation, arguments, and discussion than you lie about. ;-)

Blogger bw February 13, 2018 2:41 PM  

A boycott for me in 33
But none for thee
as you now see.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2018 2:54 PM  

I was against boycotting Israel, then this came along. Now I'm not against boycotting Israel.

Blogger Jon Mollison February 13, 2018 2:56 PM  

@27: "Pushing large numbers of allies into the arms of the people who would love to put the Ashkenaz in mass graves is extremely unwise for the Ashkenaz."

You don't even need to push people into the arms of fans of mass graves. All you need to do is turn people from Never Here to Disinterested Bystander.

Blogger SirHamster February 13, 2018 3:34 PM  

SteelPalm wrote:2. Related to this, I doubt this changes anyone's opinions on Jews. In fact, the more I observe matters, the more I question whether anything Jews do, good or bad, has much influence on how they're perceived.

Reading posts like yours on this blog has helped convert my ignorant evangelistic Christian pro-Zionism into something much more realistic.

So there you go, (((posts))) have changed my opinion on Jews. As you sow, so will you reap.


SteelPalm wrote:So let me get this straight...the same country you mock for surrendering its borders and heritage to immigrant invaders with nary a peep, who has seen the Constitution being defiled for the last 150 years by Presidents on down,, including THOUSANDS of unconstitutional laws, is all of a sudden going to turn into 1930's Germany (a country with a long history of Jew-hatred before that) for the Jews because Israel targeted Musloids and Antifa with a law that violates part of the First Amendment?

One tolerates things from family that one does not tolerate from strangers, or guests.

You are excusing undermining the 1st Amendment and Constitution with counter-accusations of hypocrisy, "you do it too!" That doesn't make wrongs, right.

It's a mind-boggling stupid defense because it's short-sighted. Even if it's true and silences criticism today, what will happen when a new generation innocent of hypocrisy confronts these same violations? Is MAGA waxing or waning as a movement?

Family may get away with it, because blood. What will happen to you, without those blood bonds?

They will shove excuses down your throat ... Oven memes are pretty popular on social media.

I'm not white. I can't claim American identity per the nationalism discussion here; only American loyalty.
This (((shamelessness))) is galling even to me; what will aroused native sons do in the future?

You are warned. The wise man humbles himself.

Blogger Warunicorn February 13, 2018 3:43 PM  

I find it amusing that one can screech endlessly about Russia's so-called influence and collusion...and in the same breath defend Israel doing the same thing like it's a big nothingburger. Seriously, is this not the same thing they accuse Russia of doing?

Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2018 4:15 PM  

@Shimson

When the country is in a shooting war (Asscrackistan) Sedition, Treason, and other similar crimes are most appropriately conducted by military tribunal. Regardless of whether the accused is a citizen or foreign national.

Blogger Danby February 13, 2018 4:20 PM  

SteelPalm wrote:but I also know what I see in person in the US.
IIRC, you have spent your time in the US in Los Angeles. Have you spent any real amount of time anywhere else, maybe someplace that's actually, you know, American?

Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2018 4:21 PM  

They did use the BDS tactic against Germany starting in 1933, against South Africa in the 1980s, and against a slew of American companies for offending whoever the two-week was aimed at using the news, duped college morons, and other useful idiots.

Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2018 4:23 PM  

Newbie (((trader))).

Blogger bw February 13, 2018 4:25 PM  

is all of a sudden going to turn into 1930's Germany (a country with a long history of Jew-hatred before that)

A country? Just a country? Germany? That's it?
No more Western Civ Christian countries since Jesus of Nazareth of the House of David?
Who are these "Jews", what is their genetics, and why do they think themselves entitled to ____.
We can go from there.

Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2018 4:28 PM  

@newbie(((trader)))

Poor execution of your pilpul there. Go back to your studies.

Blogger tz February 13, 2018 4:31 PM  

@110 yes, the trains will be fine, but they will be pulling cattle cars.

Blogger freddie_mac February 13, 2018 5:04 PM  

@91
Israel has nukes too and might nuke Washington DC! And New York City! And... and Los Angeles!

Getting our hopes up like that is just cruel

Blogger Akulkis February 13, 2018 5:05 PM  

Nuking Washington DC, New York, and LA? The remaining Jews in Palm Beach are gonna be awfully pissed off at Isreal for nuking all of their friends and families.

Blogger Nakota Publishing February 13, 2018 5:32 PM  

I don't much like Israel or the Palestinians. The USA should give wealthy Israel not a penny of aid and stop sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. Though I'm fine with Jews as Americans, no more dual citizenship! Choose one and if it's Israel, bye-bye.

Blogger FP February 13, 2018 6:28 PM  

SteelPalm: "Have they done anything about it, even when those same Musloids blow off their 8 year-old daughter's face at a pop concert? Nope."

Because hate speech laws and the general culture says if they do they'll be shamed at best and jailed at worst (then killed in jail by musloids).

That is the catch-22 SteelPalm that I think you might miss. I don't discount your experiences. I know those attitudes exist. Most people aren't going to touch the JQ with a ten foot pole because they know it will lead to nothing good unless they are among like minded people or because there is no middle ground in that debate most of the time. But the times are a changing and the internet makes it a lot harder to hide the hypocrisy.

My own experience was a good one growing up with Jewish friends. I got the full jewish version multicultural experience via school cultural days by the age of six. Yet as an adult, I learn that I truly cannot criticize jews at all, ever. Even the hardcore commie ones. All while they help demean, demonize and dismantle my culture.

Blogger SteelPalm February 13, 2018 6:42 PM  

@118 Danby

IIRC, you have spent your time in the US in Los Angeles. Have you spent any real amount of time anywhere else, maybe someplace that's actually, you know, American?

Heh, I don't live in LA. I've never lived in LA.

@115 SirHamster

Reading posts like yours on this blog has helped convert my ignorant evangelistic Christian pro-Zionism into something much more realistic.

You know I've read your posts, too? You weren't a "pro-Zionist" before I posted a comment on VP for the first time, so spare me the dramatic grandstanding bullshit.

Believe whatever you want, join the Musloids and SJWs in boycotting Israel if you wish, per the 1st Amendment (which again, if you read, I agree with Vox on a moral/ethical level), but spare us the self-serving lies.

One tolerates things from family that one does not tolerate from strangers, or guests.

SirHamster refers to "family" in the context of Americans and speaks on their behalf, only to later admit he is

I'm not white. I can't claim American identity per the nationalism discussion here; only American loyalty.

...a Fake American! What is your actual "family"? Asians? Mexicans?

If the US turns against Jews (a distinct possibility, I just don't think it will be because of the actions of AIPAC in combating BDS), do you believe they will suffer invaders like you, either? You have to go back.

Blogger James Dixon February 13, 2018 6:47 PM  

> Getting our hopes up like that is just cruel

He is an Award Winning Cruelty Artist you know.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener February 13, 2018 6:53 PM  

You know I've read your posts, too? You weren't a "pro-Zionist" before I posted a comment on VP for the first time, so spare me the dramatic grandstanding bullshit.

I was pro-Zionist once too. Now, not so much. Vox and Josh may even remember me arguing in favor of helping Israel attack Iran back in 2009 or 2010.

Blogger SteelPalm February 13, 2018 6:53 PM  

@126 FP

Because hate speech laws and the general culture says if they do they'll be shamed at best and jailed at worst (then killed in jail by musloids).

Absolutely. Revolt has always carried a steep price to it. You think there wasn't significant danger and death awaiting the American revolutionaries, to use an unusually successful example?

Then again, who passed those hate speech laws in Britain and started importing Musloid invaders en masse? Was it Benjamin Disraeli during the Victorian era, or the many white, British Prime Ministers that succeeded him, many (particularly in Labor) who despised Jews and wished to destroy Israel? Was it British Jews, or the BDS-supporting EU?

My own experience was a good one growing up with Jewish friends. I got the full jewish version multicultural experience via school cultural days by the age of six.

Glad to hear it! Personally, I didn't get along well with most American Jews growing up. We were as different as a genuine American is from a Slavic Russian.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 13, 2018 7:26 PM  

@70 "To amend the Export Administration Act of 1979 to include in the prohibitions on boycotts against allies of the United States boycotts fostered by international governmental organizations against Israel....

It goes on to reference bodies like the U.N. and E.U. No mention of US citizens being sanctioned."

That's because THAT law already exists!

https://www.law360.com/articles/533003/us-anti-boycott-laws-top-5-things-exporters-should-know

"Your company has business in the Middle East and you are asked to certify that your goods are not manufactured in Israel. Your goods are made in the U.S. Should you care about this provision? Yes. Providing this certification would violate U.S. law. Moreover, even if you don’t make this certification, you would need to report this request to U.S. regulators under the U.S. anti-boycott laws."

(Sorry, behind a pay wall; buy my company has to e exceedingly careful not to trespass against this when an Egyptian or other Middle Eastern company or customer asks for details about the source of component parts!)

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 13, 2018 7:35 PM  

@116 "I find it amusing that one can screech endlessly about Russia's so-called influence and collusion...and in the same breath defend Israel doing the same thing like it's a big nothingburger. Seriously, is this not the same thing they accuse Russia of doing?"

No, because Russia is NOT doing it, and Israel most certainly is! Russia = fake; Israel = danger!

Blogger kudzu bob February 13, 2018 7:50 PM  

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Blogger kudzu bob February 13, 2018 7:55 PM  

a good book Castalia might want to bring out is an English translation of Solzhenitsyn 's "Two Hundred Years Together"

That is a wonderful idea!

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 13, 2018 8:07 PM  

kudzu bob wrote:a good book Castalia might want to bring out is an English translation of Solzhenitsyn 's "Two Hundred Years Together"

That is a wonderful idea!


There is a partial translation on line that I've been picking away at. It looks like a good book, and it's teaching me how little I know of Eastern history.

Blogger tz February 13, 2018 8:09 PM  

The Jews pushed via background influence PC and "hate speech" laws. The Muslims have taken them over and prevent any dissent.

We need to dump the Syrans and Somali and the other Muslim refugees right next to the Jewish neighborhoods, the closer to their synagogues the better.

The Jews will self-deport first (perhaps not without some other nastiness), then we can return the Muslims.

Blogger SirHamster February 13, 2018 8:19 PM  

SteelPalm wrote:Believe whatever you want, join the Musloids and SJWs in boycotting Israel if you wish, per the 1st Amendment (which again, if you read, I agree with Vox on a moral/ethical level), but spare us the self-serving lies.

I have not lied. I am not even interested in boycotting Israel.

On the other hand, your responses are reinforcing the negative view of Jews.


SteelPalm wrote:One tolerates things from family that one does not tolerate from strangers, or guests.

SirHamster refers to "family" in the context of Americans and speaks on their behalf, only to later admit he is


I made a truthful general observation, and I do not speak as if I represent the American "family". You are also mistaken about whose behalf I was speaking to - it's yours.


I'm not white. I can't claim American identity per the nationalism discussion here; only American loyalty.

...a Fake American! What is your actual "family"? Asians? Mexicans?

If the US turns against Jews (a distinct possibility, I just don't think it will be because of the actions of AIPAC in combating BDS), do you believe they will suffer invaders like you, either? You have to go back.


My specific ethnicity is irrelevant, and my personal fate isn't an interesting subject of discussion.

Your choice to attack me based on what little personal information I offered you is an example of tactical rhetoric employed with no thought to future strategic consequences.

(((Stupid))), like attacking the 1st Amendment. Also belies your earlier thought:

SteelPalm wrote:In fact, the more I observe matters, the more I question whether anything Jews do, good or bad, has much influence on how they're perceived.

Blogger SirHamster February 13, 2018 8:22 PM  

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Blogger DonReynolds February 13, 2018 10:11 PM  

Akulkis wrote:@Shimson

When the country is in a shooting war (Asscrackistan) Sedition, Treason, and other similar crimes are most appropriately conducted by military tribunal. Regardless of whether the accused is a citizen or foreign national.


Under the American system of justice, citizens cannot be tried by military courts except in those areas under martial law. The last time this occurred was immediately after the Lincoln assassination, since the District of Columbia had been placed under Martial Law by Lincoln. The accused conspirators (and anyone associated with them) were tried by military courts and many were hanged or sentenced to long imprisonment.

Foreign citizens could never be guilty of treason, since the US is not their country. They could be considered spies, or saboteurs, or enemy combatants, or infiltrators, and either imprisoned for the duration of the conflict (as POWs if taken in uniform) or executed. (German saboteurs landed in Florida by submarine were captured and tried as spies in civilian courts and executed during WWII.)

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 13, 2018 10:12 PM  

"If the US turns against Jews (a distinct possibility, I just don't think it will be because of the actions of AIPAC in combating BDS)"

No one ever thinks that this straw will be the one, but when it's less a straw and more a rod of iron, it's a lot more likely to be the one.

Let's try a little experiment. Get on your search engine of choice that has an autofill feature, then type in "how many countries have Jews" and see what autofills in every single available slot.

Clearly, your people are not learning quickly. This is a major step, and if you don't see the risk and/or problem, you're just in denial.

Blogger Dirk Manly February 13, 2018 10:12 PM  

@54
"The Germans were orderly and reasonably friendly about it."

Indeed, they were.

Knock-knock

Hello?

"Yes, as an emergency wartime measure, we need to move you and your family to a new location. Please pack your essential clothing and hygenic goods in the next 15 minutes. Everything else will be taken care of at your destination."


Pissed off Americans will just break in, and execute the entire family in their beds.

Blogger HarambeGalt February 14, 2018 12:15 AM  

VD, slightly off topic question: any chance Castalia House would publish an English translation of "Two Hundred Years Together" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn?

Blogger Shimshon February 14, 2018 1:34 AM  

Danby, I'm the guy from LA.

Blogger Shimshon February 14, 2018 1:37 AM  

But (((we))) all look alike, so it's an understandable faux paux.

Blogger VD February 14, 2018 4:17 AM  

VD, slightly off topic question: any chance Castalia House would publish an English translation of "Two Hundred Years Together" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn?

No. We don't have the rights.

Blogger Bobiojimbo February 14, 2018 9:10 AM  

@Akulkis Great, then they can do it again and quit meddling with constitutionally infringing laws.

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