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Thursday, February 15, 2018

Baa-aaa-aaa, warned the conservative

Kurt Schlichter sternly warns liberals for the 37,479,842nd time that they are now treading DANGEROUSLY near to some very thin ice. Again.
Do you liberals really want new rules allowing violence and terrorism?

Do you liberals really want new rules allowing denormalizing your political opponents?

Do you liberals really want new rules allowing dehumanizing your political opponents?

You may think you do now, but trust me, you really don’t.

Take heed: You are going to hate the new rules.

There is a way out, a way that is obvious to anyone of good faith and common sense, and since it’s always a leftist attacking Republicans, the Democrat leadership needs to lead the way. The way out is to join together with the President and other conservatives and unequivocally reject violence and terror.

Not obliquely.

Not with clichés.

No with a smirk and a wink.

Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and all the other key Democrat leaders must stand on a stage beside Donald Trump and Don Jr. and say, without qualification that this is unacceptable and wrong.
The "dire warning" column is a longtime staple for conservative columnists. I've been hearing conservatives issuing dire warnings to liberals about the dreadful consequences of their actions for nearly 40 years now.  And do you know what I have concluded as a result? Conservatives are not going to do anything at all to resist liberal or government violence, ever. They never have.

They didn't resist when their children were bused. They didn't resist when their schools were secularized. They didn't resist when their country was invaded by 130 million foreigners. They didn't resist when their churches were converged. They didn't resist when their right to carry cash was restricted. They didn't resist when their rights to speech were removed. They didn't resist when their wives left them and divorce-raped them. They didn't resist when their children were kidnapped by judicial fiat.

I no longer believe they will resist even when their guns are confiscated or when their religion is outlawed. What evidence do we have that conservatives will do anything at all except complain about liberals, vote for do-nothing Republicans, and carefully distance themselves from anyone who looks even remotely possible of actually doing anything?

I'm not saying that no one will ever resist gun confiscations. But I am entirely confident that no one who calls himself a conservative will. Conservatives are tough-talking cowards who simply will not disobey whatever they are told by an authority figure is the law. And liberals figured this out a long time ago. That's why they targeted all of the positions of perceived authority. That's why they have to hide their smiles every time someone like Kurt Schlichter waxes dramatic and solemnly warns them... again. Why would anyone expect them to heed yet another dire warning, when every single previous warning has proved to be an empty one?

The last conservative will be still be shaking his finger and warning the cannibals that they had better watch out if they don't change their ways or else while he is being thrown into the boiling cookpot.

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Blogger exfarmkid February 15, 2018 11:07 AM  

Without looking at the column, I predict that Schlichter has links to sell his apocalyptic novels which is probably the prime purpose of the column.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 15, 2018 11:09 AM  

The people who genuinely have something to lose from these tactics, the people whose freedoms and lives would be put in jeopardy, these are not the people in power who are pushing these tactics. Odds are very good that Obama, Pelosi, the Kennedys, etc. would come through a Marxist revolution just fine. But their street thugs, well, once they've done the dirty work, they would be completely disposable, in fact, likely considered a liability.

Blogger James Dixon February 15, 2018 11:11 AM  

> for the 37,479,842nd time

I thought it was only the 36,598,762nd time. Well, it's easy to lose count.

Blogger Richard Holmes February 15, 2018 11:14 AM  

I have to agree with you about this VD. But what about the alt. right? Could they field a real resistance perhaps turning into a revolution? Or is this all too late now?

Blogger Mister Excitement February 15, 2018 11:17 AM  


This column is also another example of the Conservative tendency to want to help the Democrats because "they've lost their way."

Even though I got banned from Free Republic several months ago for posting about the Alt Right, I still lurk there.

There's often a vanity post from one of the Boomer Conservatives that go something like this:

"Open Letter to the Democrats: How to Get Make Your Party Great Again"

Again, that's just an example, but the mindset among the Cucks and Boomer Cons is to just muddle along and never decisively attack and destroy the Left.


The Civic Nationalist Cuckservative Judeo-Christian curse is strong among the Boomer Cons. I read the comments at Free Republic these days and just cringe. I can't believe I never noticed how lame these people are until the Alt Right came along.



Blogger Anchorman February 15, 2018 11:20 AM  

I could shrug off columns and inaction, like this one, if he didn't join in the "alt-Right needs to be stopped" parade.
He says he wants to fight. He has seen what is effective in fighting the Left. Yet, he criticizes the alt-Right and joins in the chorus of, "alt Right is racist!"
It's like he's on the edge and just won't take the next logical step.

Blogger VD February 15, 2018 11:20 AM  

Could they field a real resistance perhaps turning into a revolution? Or is this all too late now?

Not in their current form and not in the USA. Look at how much more strongly Europe is reacting in the face of considerably less provocation. Massive political upheaval and hundreds of acts of civil disobedience over a few million immigrants.

Americans are demoralized, outnumbered, divided, and unwilling to break the law. They have a culture of retreat, perhaps due to the greater land space there. So, liberals will simply keep changing the law until their mere existence is criminalized.

Blogger Koanic February 15, 2018 11:22 AM  

McVeigh resisted. Hail, hero:
The darkness that brought us Trump's light.

For had the Clinton machine not feared ammonium nitrate rage, they would've cheated enough to win.

Never forget, you clean-handed cowards, while you speak of moderate humane solutions, that you owe your spotlessness to the men beneath you... 6 feet.

Blogger Slagenthor February 15, 2018 11:23 AM  

For the time being, it is still to easy to "go along to get along"...easy to not make waves in time of plenty because: "hell, I've got that mortgage to pay, family to feed, children to educate"... "I've got things to *lose*, and I don't want to be that first nail that sticks up above the rest that gets pounded down all the harder."

All true. However, take away the things that people fear to lose, and the equation changes.

The left has done a good job of turning up the temperature on the cookpot oh-so-slowly over the last century or so though I am convinced they have had spiritual help in doing so.

That being said, even wet powder can burn with the right match. What we have now is a race between tinder build-up on the forest floor and increasing rain: either the rain is going to drown it all or we are going to have a conflagration of biblical proportion.

I don't see much of a middle ground here: we are headed for a swarthy 1984 or a Pinochet++

OpenID dreadilkzee February 15, 2018 11:29 AM  

10% is all you need to affect change if it is 10% of die-hard believer in whatever cause. Politics is actually more of about mitigation of beliefs and disenfranchising the believers. However once you break the 10% mark you start affecting change and people who a go along to get along start to question the status quo.

Problem for America is what I think VD refers to as the rise of the Ultra's. The Sons of Liberty were ultras. The Alt-Right is Thomas Jefferson and Washington who know are more restrained than the Samual Adams, but ultimately the Alt-right will aid the Ultras if it ever comes to it. And when the Change agents and ultras merge... well, it's somewhat ugly, rather chaotic and a massive force for change where violence is no longer off the table.

It also means America, as it was and as it is, will no longer exist and will change to something new. To what is only known by God.

Blogger LES February 15, 2018 11:30 AM  

Oh, the Judeo-Christan cucks are aiding and abetting. Last night at a home Bible study a woman told an amusing story of how they had to send some emergency money to their granddaughter in Sicily. She is there as a short-term volunteer to help the poor refugees. I asked, "Aren't those poor refugees Muslims from North Africa?" The cognitive dissonance of the group was amazing.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 15, 2018 11:31 AM  

"we are headed for a swarthy 1984 or a Pinochet++"

1984 never really works out quite that way. What actually happens is demographic squish into oblivion.

"Americans are demoralized, outnumbered, divided, and unwilling to break the law."

Ask not what a Leader can do for you... take up the crown if you can.

Blogger pyrrhus February 15, 2018 11:34 AM  

Schlichter is ex Military, so respect for authority has been drilled into him...It will be very hard for him to take that last step to understandng that we have been ruled by alien elites who want us dead...Schlichter also won't talk about the actual battle being waged by Trump and elements of military intelligence (Q has been giving us snippets of that) to take this country back from the Rothschilds, Clintons, etc.(all of whom are involved in worldwide child trafficking) and their allies in the FBI, DOJ, and many other bureaucracies. That battle will be decisive....If Trump loses or is assassinated, there will be a civil war...

Blogger wired216 February 15, 2018 11:35 AM  

And most of us still feel like we have to much to lose. I live just outside Detroit and for the most part it is still pretty quiet. Most people feel pretty secure going down to the New Center area for sporting events, concerts and the casinos. No one is worried about getting gang raped going down to the fireworks like New Year in Cologne. But we all know don't make a wrong turn on your way home.

Blogger pyrrhus February 15, 2018 11:40 AM  

Interestingly, Q has hinted that Snowden was a "honey trap" that went wrong. The State Dept apparently screwed up and stranded Snowden in Russia, where Putin has kept him under extremely close surveillance. Anyway, Snowden's revelations damaged the Deep State and Clintons, and probably cost Clinton the election...without trapping anybody, it would appear.

Blogger Jack Amok February 15, 2018 11:42 AM  

The mouth issues the warning, the fist delivers the consequences. But, is anyone clenching their fists?

Well, I think Vox is right when he says

"They have a culture of retreat, perhaps due to the greater land space there. "

But, vibrants chasing Americans everywhere we go (parasites gotta parasite) and financial collapse making "too much still to lose" no longer true are slowly changing that. Too slowly? Don't know.

Blogger haus frau February 15, 2018 11:45 AM  

I get the strong impression that if conservatives genuinely resisted, either through legal and voter action or through physical opposition, this Schlicter guy would be the first to furious oppose their uncivilized, ungentlemanly actions.

Blogger wired216 February 15, 2018 11:47 AM  

I also see Detroit as almost post-apocalyptic. So many of the thugs have been weeded out since the riots, and everybody black and white know the history, almost all of us don't want to do it again. If you look up BLM rallies in Detroit only 30 to 40 people show up. Plus they voted for the white guy for mayor. They voted against identity politics for the guy proven to be able to fix things. I admit to feelz. I love my city and 'burbs warts and all.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams February 15, 2018 11:54 AM  

Ash Wednesday evening Mass was packed. It was bilingual. Over half of the church was brown, unassimilated Spanish speakers. They didn't speak English, and they didn't behave like the white folks. They need to go back.

When there's huge numbers of Mexicans, they will never assimilate.

Blogger pyrrhus February 15, 2018 11:55 AM  

@13 And most of us still feel like we have to much to lose. I live just outside Detroit and for the most part it is still pretty quiet.

Yes, and that is perfectly rational behavior. Another day of peace is another day to "sharpen our tomahawks." But in any event, there is not generally going to be a revolt absent existential threats that are widely perceived...Though if you put a guy like Pinochet on your "enemies" list for extermination, you are pretty much asking for a coup.

Blogger ace February 15, 2018 12:00 PM  

Of course Kurt isn't going to do anything. The whole premise of the genre is an affirmation of the author's purity and devotion to the law, since he has every reason to be up in arms and yet isn't because of aforementioned virtuousness. The concept that the people who eventually do take action are trogs who are beneath him is baked into the cake.

Why don't these mass shooters ever target the feds, anyway?

Blogger Looking Glass February 15, 2018 12:01 PM  

@2 Zaklog the Great

I would argue that significant portions of the Progressive Faction actually doesn't assume they'd come through fine. That's why they're Corporate Leftists, not some form of Marxist faction. They want 3rd World Corrupt Governance with functioning toilets, but it's also why they've been buying up land in New Zealand and Australia. Related, but both countries have recently moved to restrict land purchasing by foreigners.

I won't go into it here, but think through how fragile certain things are. Then think through how many competent Americans it would take to break those fragile things. That understanding will explain a lot of the way the Corrupt Leadership has operated for the last few decades.

Blogger pyrrhus February 15, 2018 12:04 PM  

@17 Yes, the dynamics of an area really matter. In the Tucson area, with blacks mostly employed and only 5% of the population, there is no BLM, no riots, virtually no crime despite a large hispanic population...The Cartel, IMO, has let it be known that it wants things kept extremely quiet, and that carries a lot of weight as well...

Blogger pyrrhus February 15, 2018 12:11 PM  

I won't go into it here, but think through how fragile certain things are. Then think through how many competent Americans it would take to break those fragile things. That understanding will explain a lot of the way the Corrupt Leadership has operated for the last few decades.

Yes, only 2-3% of Americans took part in the American Revolution, but they were able to keep the British from operating in large parts of the country. The Taliban has only a couple thousand fighters active at any time, but they have had no problem preventing the US military from having any success...

Blogger wired216 February 15, 2018 12:13 PM  

Agreed. But I talk to almost everybody I meet. Writing I am not so good at, talking I have a way. Most of the black people I work with and talk to day to day, young old and otherwise, are now all in for Trump. They know people are trying to set off a race war between us but not falling for it. They realize how much South American illegals hurt all Americans. The amount of black people around here know "they have to go back" is heartening.

Blogger pyrrhus February 15, 2018 12:26 PM  

Why don't these mass shooters ever target the feds, anyway?

Because they are virtually all leftists or moslems...The Florida shooter was an admirer of ISIS and Antifa...

Blogger Koanic February 15, 2018 12:26 PM  

> The amount of black people around here know "they have to go back" is heartening.

You have the racial interests backwards. In North America, whites should ally with mestizos against sub-Saharans. MAYBE in sub-Saharan Africa there's a case for whites allying with mulattoes against Chinese. That's a question for a geneticist, who can determine the cutoffs precisely.

Mestizos have a place in the Americas: South America. Mulattoes must go back to Africa and be the vanguard of white invasion there.

Blogger VD February 15, 2018 12:26 PM  

I get the strong impression that if conservatives genuinely resisted, either through legal and voter action or through physical opposition, this Schlicter guy would be the first to furious oppose their uncivilized, ungentlemanly actions.

Exactly. It's the Muscular Bowtie.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 15, 2018 12:28 PM  

"how many competent Americans"

One.

If you wanted to take out entire cities effectively forever instead of for a few days, maybe ten to twenty tops.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 15, 2018 12:32 PM  

@18. Heian-kyo Dreams February 15, 2018 11:54 AM

Was the Mass conducted in Latin, the way it should be, so that congregants not understand equally?

/sarc

Blogger Mister Excitement February 15, 2018 12:35 PM  

@24

You're being overly optimistic about Blacks in America. Blacks have very clearly demonstrated that they are a separate nation, with a separate culture, traditions, mores, values, etc. than White Americans.

I used to resent them for it, but not any more. I now respect their strong sense of racial identity. I wish Whites had just a fraction of it.

The Alt Right is the solution to the multi-century failed experiment of trying to turn Black people into White people.

It's never worked and will never work.

They have to go back, too. It's 153 years overdue.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 15, 2018 12:35 PM  

Conservatives exist to legitimize the authority of the Left especially on the moral plane of conflict.

They all do even some of the supposedly brave thought criminals that are admired on the alt-right.

A conservative will never ask a liberal to prove anything, to do so would be to negate authority and authority is God to a conservative.

Blogger Longtime Lurker February 15, 2018 12:45 PM  

For the umpteenth time, Kurt Schlichter is going to kick your . . . Never mind.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 15, 2018 12:55 PM  

Conservatives are all bark, and no bite.

Blogger Mister Excitement February 15, 2018 12:57 PM  

@31

Can confirm.

The Leftist moral framework has been so successful, that Conservatives these days are the "Racism Police."

They're constantly calling white people racist for not cucking. They're also constantly calling Blacks (and other minorities) racist for advocating for their race.

Example:

The white Conservatives astutely pointed out that the Black painter that did Obama's portrait is a RACIST because of his prior artwork.

It's pathetic.

Blogger Desdichado February 15, 2018 1:01 PM  

Heian-kyo Dreams wrote:Ash Wednesday evening Mass was packed. It was bilingual. Over half of the church was brown, unassimilated Spanish speakers. They didn't speak English, and they didn't behave like the white folks. They need to go back.

When there's huge numbers of Mexicans, they will never assimilate.

The same could be said for Papists generally. The much more white Irish and Italians did a lot of damage before they assimilated. If indeed they did.

Blogger pyrrhus February 15, 2018 1:02 PM  

@34 I wonder what the Conservatives think of the Chinese painters in a sweatshop who actually did the artwork? Can they be racist?

Blogger NO GOOGLES February 15, 2018 1:04 PM  

Good 'ole Kurt. Just when you think he might ACTUALLY be roused out of his stupor, here he is to tell you how his dad will totally beat you up if you keep bullying him.

I'm starting to wonder if Kurt knows that no one takes these lectures seriously.

Blogger pyrrhus February 15, 2018 1:05 PM  

The same could be said for Papists generally. The much more white Irish and Italians did a lot of damage before they assimilated. If indeed they did.

They mostly didn't in the sense that they remain worshipers of Big Government, from which they got government jobs. Many examples in my extended family...

Blogger NO GOOGLES February 15, 2018 1:06 PM  

@24
Do those black people not know that "they have to go back" applies to them too?

Blogger Chris Mallory February 15, 2018 1:09 PM  

Some of these cowards go so far in not resisting that they pack up their family and move to another country.

Blogger Not a lefty February 15, 2018 1:14 PM  

Banned from the "free" republic. LOL. Still chuckling.

Blogger pyrrhus February 15, 2018 1:14 PM  

@37 Especially when you look at the historical record, in which Marxists invariably use terror against the population, particularly the middle and upper classes, as their means of seizing and maintaining power. It's the only thing that works, so they are hardly going to give it up....They have been frustrated so far due to their inability to seize the weapons of the Americans who would resist, many of whom have serious training...

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 15, 2018 1:19 PM  

VD wrote:Americans are demoralized, outnumbered, divided, and unwilling to break the law.

Why was Hitler's regime able to be so oppressive? Because every evil thing they did was done under color of law. Germans were law abiding above all else.

In order for evil government to succeed, it is enough that good men be law abiding.

Blogger pyrrhus February 15, 2018 1:29 PM  

Germans remain ridiculously law abiding, no matter how stupid the law.Ben Franklin was right..But there are enough real Americans left, including immigrants from formerly communist countries who won't swallow the Kool Aid, to make the takeover impractical...

Blogger Anchorman February 15, 2018 1:36 PM  

Why don't these mass shooters ever target the feds, anyway?

Because the victims of violent crimes are more often people the perp knows.

Blogger Austin Ballast February 15, 2018 1:39 PM  

Great Vox, but what are you doing to rebel? It has been noted before, but it is easy to talk about ignoring the law when you are far away in another country.

Constant warnings are not enough, but expecting others to go to jail is a bit hypocritical if you are not in a position to do the same.

Blogger Anchorman February 15, 2018 1:41 PM  

Why aren't Americans resisting?

I think VD is right, in a sense. The openness of land allows people to move further away from the problems, giving them a sense of security.

The people who would/will actively resist are already the preppers. I assume they also know commo is monitored, so there isn't open boasting. There's just (somewhat) quiet preparations for SHTF scenarios.

I think you'd have to run in those circles to see the folks prepping. Granted, it's not a lot in comparison to the US population. They're trading space for time to prep. They're out of sight and don't go on TV interviews, because they've seen how they're presented (doomsday preppers, quacks, "militias").

OpenID zhukovg February 15, 2018 1:42 PM  

@NO GOOGLES: Where do you propose to send a Nation that developed in North America?

Though I do note, that as an American of British descent, I could easily return to the United Kingdom. Assuming of course, that they would have me. When I was stationed there, I adapted to life in the UK just as though I had come home from a long journey.

Blogger VD February 15, 2018 1:43 PM  

Great Vox, but what are you doing to rebel? It has been noted before, but it is easy to talk about ignoring the law when you are far away in another country.

Not one single damn thing. I'm not recommending anything. I don't expect anyone to do anything at all until after everything collapses and they have no choice. I'm simply calling bullshit on the whole conservative "dire warning" game.

You guys constantly confuse my observations with implicit recommendations and my predictions with wishful thinking. They are merely what they are.

Blogger VD February 15, 2018 1:46 PM  

Constant warnings are not enough, but expecting others to go to jail is a bit hypocritical if you are not in a position to do the same.

How can you so completely misread what I have written? I said completely the opposite. I don't expect any conservatives to go to jail. I expect them to comply and continue to issue dire warnings about the next step they will ignore.

That is what they have done for 40+ years.

OpenID vfmshadow0342 February 15, 2018 1:50 PM  

@8:

-> McVeigh resisted

McVeigh was an Islamic sympathizer.
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I was in Oklahoma at the time of the bombing (grade school) and I remember the third 'John Doe' who was Mid-Eastern on the news.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 15, 2018 1:54 PM  

Houellebecq was dead on apparently. When the nationalists try to liberate their nation, the cuckservatives side with the Islamists in "Submission."
How could you be one of these cuckservatives? To have no honor. To only land hits against your own team. It will never make sense to us laymen I gues.
Could you imagine telling your son about your work?
Son: Dad, what did you do at work today?
Cuck: I was extraordinarily generous and Christlike to some Muslims who threatened to kill you.
Son: ummmm did you not fight back at all?
Cuck: oh yeah. Don't worry there. I denounced and disavowed some racist Rednecks.
Wife: Hun I am scared they keep calling the house.
Cuck: Well, you know, Dr. King says that......

I can't go on. Too disheartening to imagine.

Blogger Koanic February 15, 2018 1:55 PM  

> McVeigh was an Islamic sympathizer.

If you're arguing that only Muslims have the balls to defy Western gyno-tyranny, I'm hard-pressed to disagree.

I wonder when USian men will realize that reflexively using a tu quoque to ward away your discomfort every time your posture of servile inaction is highlighted simultaneously confirms a lack of bravery and intelligence.

Blogger wired216 February 15, 2018 2:01 PM  

I think there is an old time commentor here who said "not our black people". If I am wrong in that I apologize. But not my black people. Mexicans, Asians, Muslims and Jews who are either here illegally with their citizenship to their home country or dual citizenship are over. Even the most belligerent black person around here who claims to be African-American still is only a citizen of one nation. Ask them what their African nation is they have no clue. Press them and the whole charade falls apart. They don't want to go back and if pushed will follow the rules.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 15, 2018 2:02 PM  

Do you even have to take a step?
This guy sounds like he is willfully blind. It's only logical that the alt-right's position is the correct one, given the circumstances.

Does he actually think we can go back to 1980 and "get it right this time" when it comes to race, for example?

Is he one of those hopeless tools who thinks that if he just teaches ghetto dindus the principles of libertarianism, a la Rand Paul, that they will line up to open successful small businesses?
So depressing.

Blogger Austin Ballast February 15, 2018 2:02 PM  

At least you clarified that Vox. Though haven't you complained about other conservatives not doing something in the war in the past, such as what Castalia House is doing?

I can see why you would not recommend any specific unlawful action here, but the comments tend to complain that people aren't doing more when they should.

Wouldn't Trump be a sign that at least some are taking some action?

I am not doing things to go to jail, but I do what I can to change hearts and minds. It won't stop things, but that is the only way things can change without a crash.

Blogger YIH February 15, 2018 2:04 PM  

I no longer believe they will resist even when their guns are confiscated or when their religion is outlawed.
Most will simply hand them over - even the ones that love to talk big about the 2nd Amendment.
And religion? When it's outlawed will they become outlaws (as many are in China)? Or will they say stuff like, and I quote:
True. The hard right constantly criticizes conservative “cucks” like me who believe in fair play and reasoning with opponents, saying that we are patsys for thinking that the other side is interested in that. Best to use their own tactics against them, they claim. My view is that if we give up on the idea of commitment to truth and justice, which also requires the ability to recognize that we might be wrong (and that even people who are wrong have rights), then we have surrendered to a war of all against all. Given a choice of ''give up your faith or give up your passport'' (or driver's license, or children) he'll probably at least fake secularism/atheism.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 15, 2018 2:06 PM  

That's interesting. They don't go to mass here. They seem to follow Pentecostalism.
I wonder why the difference in areas.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 15, 2018 2:09 PM  

If you want to know what a near brush with total collapse might be like read "Hitler in Hell." People ask why haven't people risen up and the Germans did but literally they had to be starved to death and on the brink of total civilizational collapse.

In 1919 or thereabouts they literally fought using guns against usurpers and Poles but they still went back to the conservatives. It wasn't till the Depression that they went for someone slightly outside of the lines.

Conservatives like this guy will fight for their money and their wife's place in the hierarchy (and she ain't moving out of West LA). but nothing else.

OpenID zhukovg February 15, 2018 2:10 PM  

@Austin Ballast: No one is demanding that you raid Harper's Ferry. No one is accusing you, personally, of doing nothing to resist.

I imagine many who comment here do what they can. But Cucks, do nothing but cuck and that's the point.

Blogger VD February 15, 2018 2:24 PM  

At least you clarified that Vox. Though haven't you complained about other conservatives not doing something in the war in the past, such as what Castalia House is doing?

Only when they comment here declaring how important it is that someone should do something. Especially when I am extremely busy doing a number of things and they are doing nothing at all.

Wouldn't Trump be a sign that at least some are taking some action?

No, it's a sign that Trump took action. He had virtually no help from anyone at the beginning.

Blogger VD February 15, 2018 2:25 PM  

then we have surrendered to a war of all against all.

What on Earth do you think you're in? Affecting to be above war isn't going to save you from it.

OpenID markstoval February 15, 2018 2:25 PM  

What can be done?

One can try to educate other people, men especially, on the reasons that Western Civilization (and whites) are under assault. One can also get ready for the war that is coming. (you don't need to egg on the war, it is coming soon enough) You can try to educate others as to what they need to do to prepare for when the SHTF.

We can also prepare for what comes afterwards. If any of your tribe survives, what should they do to ensure their future after the next civil war is over?

I like to think that the alt-right is trying to defend Western Civ. as best they can. I wish everyone good luck and may the wind be at your back.

The real problem is that we must get from here to there --- from here to a defended Western Civ somehow and it will not be easy. I can think of more than one path that might get us there. I hope we follow a path that works.

Blogger Koanic February 15, 2018 2:26 PM  

The Clintons deserved to rule America because unlike Americans they had the courage to kill for their convictions, or avoiding conviction. When the only sincerity is a cornered rat, the rats rule.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 15, 2018 2:36 PM  

wired216 wrote:Mexicans, Asians, Muslims and Jews who are either here illegally with their citizenship to their home country or dual citizenship are over. Even the most belligerent black person around here who claims to be African-American still is only a citizen of one nation. Ask them what their African nation is they have no clue. Press them and the whole charade falls apart. They don't want to go back and if pushed will follow the rules.

Judge Lynch and Jim Crow proved that Blacks could be forced to live peaceably alongside Whites: it just takes constant, low-level force to hold them to our standards. Some Blacks might prefer that to our current situation. Most Blacks would definitely prefer Judge Lynch and Jim Crow in White America to Black ruled Africa.

American Blacks would be eaten alive in Black Africa, sometimes literally.

Blogger Looking Glass February 15, 2018 2:45 PM  

The deeper issue with this version of Conservative Whine, aside from existing probably since National Review was founded, is that it's truly intended to be cathartic to the reader. See, you told the Left off! Now, go relax and have a beer.

It not only fails to improve the situation, but it actually undermines anyone that would do anything about it. It doesn't encourage others to build new approaches or create the next important steps. It's verbal stick shaking.

The more proper response, from my view, is two fold.

1) Embrace the Dread. It's the New Rules. Throwing Democrats in prison for treason is going to be fun!
2) Find your niche and start building approaches, concepts, systems or structures that are durable & easy replicable.

We have to accept our institutions were horribly corrupted because Evil doesn't sleep and they kept working until they found points of failure. Then the corruption rooted itself in and it isn't coming out easily. We need a whole host of new approaches that: 1) Work, 2) Are ready to scale up and 3) aren't susceptible to the normal infiltration techniques.

This can start with a little as improving your social skills and redpilling your social group. Or put together basic & advanced How-To guides in your specialty, then doing some form of ePub to disseminate useful information as far as possible. We're at a point where "going with the flow" is going to send you over the waterfall to your doom. Embrace the Age and build something useful.

Blogger Desdichado February 15, 2018 2:56 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:American Blacks would be eaten alive in Black Africa, sometimes literally.
I dunno; the Americo-Liberians rose to become an elite subgroup in that country for a century and a half almost, before they were deposed by native rulers. They still manage to survive as an elite caste in the country, though.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 15, 2018 2:59 PM  

Desdichado wrote:I dunno; the Americo-Liberians rose to become an elite subgroup in that country for a century and a half almost, before they were deposed by native rulers. They still manage to survive as an elite caste in the country, though.

I like that solution for any American Blacks who choose to adopt it.

Blogger snod snodwon February 15, 2018 3:03 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:The deeper issue with this version of Conservative Whine, aside from existing probably since National Review was founded, is that it's truly intended to be cathartic to the reader. See, you told the Left off! Now, go relax and have a beer.

They think that they are winning and that in the long run they will be winning. Unfortunately, the long game is being played by somebody ELSE. It might have been true in the past that junkies and ne'er-do-wells would just fail out of existence naturally but now we have enough "altruism" that the ranks keep swelling instead. There is only one fait accompli here and everyone knows what it is.

Blogger Bucephalus February 15, 2018 3:34 PM  

I have questions, and it is because I come here to learn from people way smarter than me:

What steps would you guys have taken to prevent the cultural collapse and overall decay of this nation? Was it preventable? Suppose there is a civil war and our side prevails; what laws or rules would you enact? Is it even possible?

Blogger Patrick Kelly February 15, 2018 3:38 PM  

"...then we have surrendered to a war of all against all. "

WTF does this even mean?

The war has already started and idiots like this are still debating whether shooting back is "fair play".

Blogger Patrick Kelly February 15, 2018 3:39 PM  

"Was it preventable? "

No. Inevitable, just the time frame in flux.

Blogger Patrick Kelly February 15, 2018 3:41 PM  

"McVeigh resisted. Hail, hero:"

McVeigh is on some remote, South Pacific island smoking a doobie with Koresh.....

Blogger Patrick Kelly February 15, 2018 3:43 PM  

"McVeigh resisted. Hail, hero:"

McVeigh is on some remote, South Pacific island smoking a doobie with Koresh.....

Blogger Robert What? February 15, 2018 3:50 PM  

The Liberals are totally happy with the rules. Because they know the rules will only apply to non-Liberals.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 15, 2018 3:55 PM  

Bucephalus wrote:Was it preventable?... what laws or rules would you enact?

It's a fallen world full of sinners. Any system is going to be gamed and corrupted. The best systems are unlikely to last more than a generation.

Blogger Lovekraft February 15, 2018 3:58 PM  

@70: there's an interesting concept of the four stages of a civilization. We seem to be in the latter end of the third and heading into a major conflagration.

Post-WWII was 'the golden age' of prosperity and innovation.

Then the 60s/70s where the previous period's affluence and abundance created amoral self-indulgence.

80s and 90s was where the cracks really started to emerge. Major dilution of cohesion, overt degeneracy etc.

Now we're just watching the house get eroded from the bottom up and, like you, wondering how bad we'll get caught up in it.

Blogger FP February 15, 2018 4:05 PM  

"My view is that if we give up on the idea of commitment to truth and justice, which also requires the ability to recognize that we might be wrong (and that even people who are wrong have rights), then we have surrendered to a war of all against all."

Ahh, the Principled Principletarian. They are the ones who annoy me the most. Despite all the evidence they still don't understand that the "people who are wrong" are not principled and are indeed their enemies. Yes, even your nice if naive neighbor who has now voted in socialist policies for ten years in a row. They who are wrong want you dead or dying in a ditch, your children raped and brainwashed while they laugh about it.

Blogger Carl Philipp February 15, 2018 4:08 PM  

"My view is that if we give up on the idea of commitment to truth and justice"

A commitment to truth and justice requires actually speaking truth and actually standing up against actual injustice, even though the untruthful and unjust will say mean things about you.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 15, 2018 4:20 PM  

@7 Not in their current form and not in the USA.

My nameless friend, (long long time right-side activist: my husband met him back in college) who started out supporting Spencer and attending his "do's" has finally reached:

{quote:}
Hopeless! Spencer is hopeless! A complete liability!

He also blamed Identity Europa {IE} for his picking up Mosley.

He sent stuff out saying he met Mosley through EI and they were to blame.

This is a flat lie.

IE removed Mosley. Spencer snatched him up after he was tossed out and used him to announce that he -- Spencer -- was going to create a "real"
membership organization unlike IE.

Now that Mosley is an embarrassment, Spencer blames IE.

Never takes responsibility. Always blames others.

He's basically a n__ger.

Not a "Black man" (and there are such) but a "n__ger."

{/quote}


(My friend also described that Spencer has become quite the alkie: he put away an entire fifth of whiskey by himself at a small private gathering (which HE had brought and did not share); and also at a dinner my friend attended pulled out a fifth and poured himself about 3/4s of a large water glass and socked it away.)

It seems to me as he is having a nervous breakdown -- or just spinning completely out of control. But I've not met him; and only go by what I read, see, and am told by those who worked with and attended events him.

Blogger VFM #7634 February 15, 2018 4:32 PM  

@pyrrhus @Desdichado

Catholics are weird. When they go irreligious, they go full-on Marxist and ethnic chauvinist. IMO it makes it crystal-clear that substituting the Catholic belief system with a Catholic identity results in a complete farce.

Blogger Silly but True February 15, 2018 4:56 PM  

Account of Sharyl Attkisson's TED Talk investigation of origin of #Fakenews is great reading:
https://pjmedia.com/video/sharyl-attkisson-explains-tedx-talk-origins-2016-fake-news-narrative/

Attkisson is notable for one among many things for watching in real-time the Obama DoJ hack her computer to read her Benghazi investigation.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 15, 2018 4:58 PM  

@13 "No one is worried about getting gang raped going down to the fireworks like New Year in Cologne. But we all know don't make a wrong turn on your way home."

Sounds like the (actual) coastal folks when no one quite knows where the hurricane is going to come ashore. Little bit of laying in water and candles, little bit of tying down the lawn chairs -- mostly life as normal... with an eye cocked toward the shore. We're AWARE the storm is/may be coming; we're aware it's not gonna be good if it DOES land in our neighborhood -- but until it's close enough to buy dry ice and fill the tub with water... no point in doing much about it.

I'm reminded of a young girl in my Navy command when the Iranians 'kidnapped' our folks in the embassy (yeah, I'm REALLY old!). She was freaking out because, in a stateside training school, with "our folks needing rescue!!!" -- we were just going about our work, training sailors, doing inspections, and filing paperwork. I explained the OUR task was to be support -- to be preparing what was needed to SUPPORT the guys who might be fighting or rescuing. OUR "emergency task" -- was to keep doing our jobs!

So, OUR task, here in the Alt Right -- and even those in the 'lesser' Rights -- is to keep working to educate and awaken, to help neighbors and friends form tribes, learn self-protection, send what we can to whom we can to help them keep doing THEIR work

I have $50 a month I can send: for Calligan, to VDare, to the Derb, to Sailer, to Judicial Watch... (and of course: Alt Hero and Voxiversity, but they don't come out of the $50/mo!)(and all the damned Castalia books; I'm getting bankrupted out here by Castalia, Dark Lord! But it's worth it!) I can't send much -- but I send what I CAN! What are you doing to help along the SUPPORT and prep work we're going to need when/if the war actually comes?

Blogger Koanic February 15, 2018 5:10 PM  

> Any system is going to be gamed and corrupted. The best systems are unlikely to last more than a generation.

No, Judges Israel worked fine.

Spencer's alcoholism and blame-shifting are newsworthy, NeoNietzsche.

Blogger Ryan G February 15, 2018 5:16 PM  

YIH wrote:I no longer believe they will resist even when their guns are confiscated or when their religion is outlawed.

The linked article is useful in that it reveals the dangers of the "magic dirt" theory of migration.

See, the entire justification for violating our 4th amendment rights is based on three premises: terrorists are already here, terrorists can be anybody, and traditional investigative methods (i.e. lawful ones) are insufficient for detecting them. Of these premises, only #1 is true. #2 is blatantly false and #3 is a direct effect of #2 being false. Saying terrorists can be "anybody" requires one to ignore objective reality and substitute the politically correct version of it that only exists in the minds of liberals.

In an ideal world, Muslims would be prevented from setting foot on US soil for any reason and all of the ones currently here would be deported/expelled at the first opportunity. This would eliminate the threat of Jihad and not necessitate increased surveillance.

In a less ideal world, there would be a database of Muslims living in America. That way, if foreign intelligence suggests that something bad is brewing, we have a short list of people to investigate.

In the world we live in, we need a massive new bureaucracy equipped to spy on any American they choose to, any time, and the only check is a secret court that We The People aren't entitled to know the details of. It's like if you had a mosquito problem and, rather than putting up some netting and a few bug torches, you instead build a submarine - and put a snorkel in with no filter so mosquitoes can fly in anyway.

Blogger SirHamster February 15, 2018 5:20 PM  

Koanic wrote:No, Judges Israel worked fine.



Which is why Israel was ruled by Judges until the time of Jesus.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 15, 2018 5:21 PM  

@66 "intended to be cathartic to the reader. See, you told the Left off! Now, go relax and have a beer."

It's actually a bit worse: I point out to the folks who praise (and follow) Rush and Neil Boortz and Savage and the like: THEY are (corporate/globalist-installed) pressure-relief valves!

When our people, when our hard-working, God-fearing, country-loving white men (esp.) begin to really feel the pressure, they can turn the wholly (((owned))) radio on and listen to those snakes rant and point out the unfairness and 'the troubles' -- always carefully couched to hide the real causes and effects. Then these good men feel "relieved" and don't actually have to deal with the pressure -- or the rising heat causing it! "Hooray! See? SOMEONE is doing something to take care of it! SOMEONE has submitted a repair ticket and so SOMEONE is going to come fix it -- so I don't feel so pressured anymore and I can go watch some football!"

It makes you not quite the fav in your neighborhood, but cranking up the pressure again may be useful. Esp. if you give them a possible real 'cure' (small-time prepping, let's go shooting, have you considered not watching MSM? and so on). (Herding cats, yes; but you want to have some cats to fight alongside you, yes?)

Blogger Koanic February 15, 2018 5:29 PM  

> Which is why Israel was ruled by Judges until the time of Jesus.

I look forward to you explaining to Jehovah on judgment day how Israel's rejection of His unintermediated rule was the fault of the Designer. Perhaps you could edit 1 Samuel to include that important insight. Some deities are too good to release an update every couple hundred years!

Blogger Dire Badger February 15, 2018 5:31 PM  

Robert What? wrote:The Liberals are totally happy with the rules. Because they know the rules will only apply to non-Liberals.

Everyone thinks they are going to be the party members with Dachas and whores.

Nope, they are going to be the ones standing in 2 mile lines for toilet paper.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 15, 2018 5:46 PM  

Koanic wrote:> Any system is going to be gamed and corrupted. The best systems are unlikely to last more than a generation.

No, Judges Israel worked fine.


With Divine intervention, the nation of Israel got a few decades of peace and prosperity under each judge, then it was back to backsliding. Then they would cry out to God, and He would send them another judge to straighten them out for a few years.

I'd say that Judges makes my point pretty effectively.

Blogger Smokey Dust February 15, 2018 5:46 PM  

I used to think the Europeans wouldn’t fight back until they couldn’t take multi hour lunch breaks. 3 years of invasion and they are about ready to sink the boats.

50 years of invasion and whites are pretending that the next neighborhood/county/state is looking great and won’t be invaded.

Honestly, what is wrong with us?

How long is it going to take for the right to figure out that the left is already moving toward violence and doesn’t care if we just want to talk and or be left alone?

We’ll be lucky to keep Alaska as a rump state at this point ffs.

Blogger SirHamster February 15, 2018 5:52 PM  

Koanic wrote:I look forward to you explaining to Jehovah on judgment day how Israel's rejection of His unintermediated rule was the fault of the Designer. Perhaps you could edit 1 Samuel to include that important insight. Some deities are too good to release an update every couple hundred years!

The Law is fine.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 15, 2018 6:02 PM  

Smokey Dust wrote:We’ll be lucky to keep Alaska as a rump state at this point ffs.

Alaska is mostly hoping to be shut of you all down there.

Blogger Smokey Dust February 15, 2018 6:20 PM  

I don’t blame them. Immigration is invasion. Very soon this side of the world is going to be bloody while the European nations are on their way back to enjoying their own ways of life unmolested by foreign influence.

Blogger Jeff February 15, 2018 6:27 PM  

I don't recall any cops being shot as a result of gun confiscation during hurricane Katrina. Nor am I hearing of any armed resistance in Mass. which is actively confiscating bump-stocks.

Blogger James February 15, 2018 6:32 PM  

Libertarians are as worthless and cucked out as Conservatives. But, FORMER Libertarians and FORMER Conservatives might be a different kettle of much more dangerous fish, if you know what I mean.

Blogger Robert Divinity February 15, 2018 6:35 PM  

The architect of the Benedict Option bitching about surrender is rich.

Also, agreed that authority-fetishizing conservatives would hand over their guns willingly, but the armed, trained and largely apolitical Quiet People would launch a civil war the likes of which has never been experienced. It's why the Cloud People are incredibly nervous and as others pointed out above have invested in Australian and Kiwi real estate. Speaking of which, after the so-called "Port Arthur massacre" Australia's gun confiscation program was not the orderly process represented. Many resisted and fought back but there was a very successful information blackout. Many younger Australians are oblivious as to how widespread and commonplace gun ownership was there slightly more than a generation ago and are ignorant about the social upheaval that accommodated the seizures. A similar attempt in the United States would be a bloodbath here despite cuckish blowhards like Schlicter. If a serious effort were made to disarm Americans, it would be only after the Ruling Class had decided it was worth a war.

Blogger peppermint88 February 15, 2018 6:40 PM  

The top cheerleaders of the French Revolution died during the French Revolution, that's what progressives do. But they must continue shouting the latest slogans or they will be replaced by someone who will, and progressivism must come up with new slogans to shout or it will collapse and the average progressive will look silly.

The average progressive is the one who benefits the most from progressivism and incurs the least risk from it.

Blogger D. February 15, 2018 6:40 PM  

OT a must read I'm sure /sarc off

National Review’s latest digital magazine is out today for subscribers, featuring Kevin D. Williamson on the intellectual emptiness of “white supremacy.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/456481/truth-about-white-supremacy

Blogger tuberman February 15, 2018 6:41 PM  

89. SD

"Honestly, what is wrong with us?"

Do you really want to explore all the Globalist controls in place? HA! It goes far beyond lack of courage.

Blogger peppermint88 February 15, 2018 6:43 PM  

To stop the average progressive from benefiting, have the progressives tell him that as a f-bomb White male he must not have a position of prestige, and have the normal people call him a cuck for putting up with that. To stop the progressive woman, call her a joymop and a fun sponge when she says X isn't trans*inclusive and black body positive enough, and ask her if her mother taught her tattling makes her a good girl when she tattles.

Blogger tuberman February 15, 2018 6:57 PM  

Considering the control systems we are up against in the USA the last few decades, it is amazing that the population voted the God Emperor into office.

Blogger Robert Divinity February 15, 2018 7:26 PM  

@100:

Absolutely. Even more astounding was the results weren't altered at least significantly enough to change the outcome. Remember when Jeh Johnson, it was claimed "inexplicably," wanted the feds to seize the tabulation from the states? It's likely social media data analysis presaged the outcome for some time prior to November 8th.

Blogger Silly but True February 15, 2018 7:40 PM  

@Jeff,
The NOPD in Katrina committed burglary while gun owners were away: they broke into people's homes and stole their personal property, spawning numerous lawsuits.

Here's how that particular jig worked:

The City of New Orleans issued a mandatory evacuation of the city:
http://www.nola.com/katrina/index.ssf/2005/08/nagin_orders_first-ever_mandatory_evacuation_of_new_orleans.html

Then NOPD went door to door and confiscated guns it found in "abandoned homes."
http://blog.nola.com/updates/2008/10/nra_to_settle_suit_over_katrin.html

See the trick?

Blogger Smokey Dust February 15, 2018 8:08 PM  

@tuberman

I don’t think it’s cowardice, more like a lack of will to do what needs done because it will be mean. The European nations have the same controls in place yet they are waking up very fast.

I used to spend three weeks a year in Austria. I’ve spent time in Various European cities and rural areas. They never came across as anything other than surrender monkeys. They are proving me wrong.

Americans are the ones on a slow motion trail of tears. Endlessly retreating to that neighborhood that won’t be converged which doesn’t exist.

Blogger Danby February 15, 2018 8:21 PM  

Smokey Dust wrote:Endlessly retreating to that neighborhood that won’t be converged which doesn’t exist.
Which is not allowed to exist. Because women and Irish and Jews control politics, and hence laws and policy, in this country.

Blogger Rex Little February 15, 2018 8:46 PM  

The way I interpret the Shclichter quote is not that he warns that conservatives will resist, but that liberals will regret the unintended consequences.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 15, 2018 9:39 PM  

"how Israel's rejection of His unintermediated rule was the fault of the Designer."

And America's rejection of the constitution isn't the fault of the founding fathers either.

You missed the point, Koanic. Humans will destroy, corrode, corrupt or abrogate any system if given the opportunity. The best solution is to focus on causing moral and upright humans, as compared to playing the lotto with the systems.

Beyond that, good luck accurately winnowing out a God-appointed Judge nowadays.

Blogger DonReynolds February 15, 2018 9:59 PM  

Winston Churchill made an observation....

Ultimately, the Americans DO the right thing....but ONLY AFTER they have tried virtually all other possibilities.

It is difficult to convince Americans to show much initiative, because nobody wants to be first. Nobody wants to take the point. They had rather join up with the (ever so massive second wave), rather than be the first to shoot.

At the Battle of Lexington (April 1775), Captain John Parker of the Militia instructed his men "Stand your ground; don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here."

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 15, 2018 10:00 PM  

Problem #1: The USA is too d*** large. You can't get accountability from representatives easily enough because they're too far away. There's just too much going on for our hypothetical "one good man" to do enough about it.

Problem #2: It doesn't hurt enough yet. The "good men" don't exist because we're lazy f***s refusing to stand up until it's OUR turn to suffer. The system is rigged so that the suffering rolls slowly. By the time it gets to you it will be far too late for you to do much of anything about it. If you go full Breivik when it comes down to it, good on you, but chances are you won't have enough preparation to make a 25:1 dent.

Problem #3: I need to listen to my own sermons.

Solution #1: The USA must break up. It just has to. There's no way around it and it's happening.

Solution #2: Stop consuming so much sugar and soy. Apart from those, get unhooked from the "circuses", leave the tube and any other pointless entertainment behind, get involved in competitive sports (even mathletics) that will sharpen you up, to fill those time slots. Your "pain" tolerance will go down and your aggression will go up. Keep it in check though, start laying in supplies and forming networks now.

Solution #3: Stop sitting around posting on the internet, go ou

Blogger DonReynolds February 15, 2018 10:33 PM  

Robert Divinity wrote:The architect of the Benedict Option bitching about surrender is rich.

Also, agreed that authority-fetishizing conservatives would hand over their guns willingly, but the armed, trained and largely apolitical Quiet People would launch a civil war the likes of which has never been experienced. It's why the Cloud People are incredibly nervous and as others pointed out above have invested in Australian and Kiwi real estate. Speaking of which, after the so-called "Port Arthur massacre" Australia's gun confiscation program was not the orderly process represented. Many resisted and fought back but there was a very successful information blackout. Many younger Australians are oblivious as to how widespread and commonplace gun ownership was there slightly more than a generation ago and are ignorant about the social upheaval that accommodated the seizures. A similar attempt in the United States would be a bloodbath here despite cuckish blowhards like Schlicter. If a serious effort were made to disarm Americans, it would be only after the Ruling Class had decided it was worth a war.


There were conservatives in the colonies during the American Revolution. They were called Loyalists and they remained loyal to the King until the end. On Evacuation Day (November 25th, 1783) over 100,000 of these conservatives were taken by the Royal Navy out of the US to other British colonies or back to England. Probably even more of these conservatives went West to the frontier to avoid the fury of the victorious Revolutionaries. Some of them were arrested and tried for crimes and many of them had their property confiscated by the state governments. THAT is what happens to conservatives when they side with the losers. No, they did not expect it to turn out that way.

The last time the government in this country tried to disarm the citizens was 1775 and it touched off the Battles of Lexington and Concord, led to a rebellion by 13 states, and that government was driven from these shores after a war lasting 8 long years. Since then, there has been no government attempt to disarm Americans.

Blogger Koanic February 15, 2018 11:34 PM  

> I'd say that Judges makes my point pretty effectively.

It certainly doesn't, any more than the controlled burns of natural small forest fires makes your point that the mega-forest-fires of forestry-department-managed forests are inevitable, when in fact their massiveness is caused by the "firefighter's" efforts to kill the small ones.

Like the deadly buildup of dry undergrowth, you are too dense to grasp the brilliance of an anti-fragile design.

> And America's rejection of the constitution isn't the fault of the founding fathers either.

Yes it is. The American design was broken from the beginning, and completely failed to scale.

I swear, you people would blame the paleo diet for a user deciding to go off of it. "See, it doesn't work! He decided to eat donuts and it killed him!"

> good luck accurately winnowing out a God-appointed Judge nowadays.

As if Jehovah's hand has grown short, to succor those who serve Him, because He answers not Sodomites nor Lot.

> Since then, there has been no government attempt to disarm Americans.

Afghans are armed, with RPGs and Stinger missiles. Americans are disarmed, with underpowered anti-deer rifles and no grenades. Try fighting a late WW2 battle with early WW2 squad armament - bolt-action rifles and Molotovs. It's less fun than using bow and arrow against English colonists, I'll tell you that much. Subtract armor and artillery and you're screwed.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 16, 2018 12:16 AM  

@110 - “The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.”

Blogger Koanic February 16, 2018 12:29 AM  

Curs run in cowardices, yipping at what they cannot challenge.

Blogger wired216 February 16, 2018 1:16 AM  

I have always believed that a good round of extreme violence, like a burn to underbrush, can stop a hundred wild fires. I just showed my much younger boyfriend, go ahead and judge, the movie Pump up the Volume. He has now thrown himself into the Ham Radio world. He was born into the beginning of the PC world and is ready to go Galt.

Blogger smee February 16, 2018 1:35 AM  

@47: more than you know...

Vox is correct. nothing happens until the collapse. anything sooner would be crushed. rest assured, there are patriots ready. even in urban settings.

Blogger #issues February 16, 2018 1:48 AM  

Vox I think KS is much more an ally than an enemy and your criticism alienates more allies than it gains. KS is a white American who voluntarily went to the Middle East to kill Muslims on behalf of the USA . He is the kind of person who you should want to cultivate as an ally rather than criticize as an enemy, no matter how cucked you consider him.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 16, 2018 2:47 AM  

"As if Jehovah's hand has grown short"

Then where's your Judge? I'm not critiquing God, I'm critiquing you.

"The American design was broken from the beginning, and completely failed to scale."

Riddle me this: Why isn't there still a nation of Israel led by Judges?

A plan, no matter how perfect, isn't the problem. Sinful humans are.

"I swear, you people would blame the paleo diet for a user deciding to go off of it."

Poor analogy. A diet only interferes with its user so far as their physical health and fitness is concerned. A system of government easily interferes on the upbringing and psychological tendencies of its constituents. A paleo diet cannot directly affect the decision of its user to go off it or not.

Good luck, in having one Judge over multiple very different nations.

Regardless of what you might think is best, Koanic, a government must and will either come to fit the people it governs or it will rapidly fail and be replaced.

The Judge system was replaced. I don't say that it wasn't good. I say that the people became unfit for it, just as the set of people to whom you wish to apply it are not fit for it today.

I'm not saying that the system is bad, I'm saying it's the wrong system for today. If you're assuming the breakup of the US into chunks of ~10m people, all of whom magically are not rebellious against God, then sure, A Judge system might very well work. Neither of those things is likely to happen.

The people have to change first. You will fail to implement a Judge system at current time.

"you are too dense to grasp the brilliance of an anti-fragile design."

What part of it's f***ing gone do you not understand? Anti fragility means that it won't easily break or disappear. It's quite literally gone.

Tell me, how long did the Judge system last? Less than four hundred years.

If you want to do a patriarchal system like the Judges, you need a single people who unanimously worship God and follow his commandments. That's what the Israelites had. That's why God emplaced it for them and it worked for as long as it needed to work.

A government is necessarily the reflection of the people it governs, and the modern American people -- even if we were to eject every last objectionable immigrant all the way back to the Italians, Irish, and Germans -- is unfit to reflect the Biblical Patriarchal system of Judges.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 16, 2018 2:49 AM  

"He is the kind of person who you should want to cultivate as an ally rather than criticize as an enemy, no matter how cucked you consider him."

Can't have an ally that goes for the backstab every time you turn around. KS is that kind of "ally".

Blogger Koanic February 16, 2018 3:01 AM  

> Then where's your Judge?

Do you seriously understand the Bible that little? Even Israel didn't get judges after she chose kings, and you expect the USA to get one?!

> Why isn't there still a nation of Israel led by Judges?

The Churchians will argue till doomsday that the judges Mosaic government was inadequate because the Israelites disliked it, because they are the spiritual descendants of the Israelites who rejected Jehovah's manna in the desert because it tasted too bland. Haven't had your fill of quail, I see. WELL HAVE SOME MORE DEMO-IDIOCRACY.

> What part of it's f***ing gone do you not understand?

The appropriate time to deploy that phrase is when you have already said something, not when introducing a new argument. And if you can't tell the difference between this argument and the previous one, it's because you are a chronically dialectically imprecise thinker.

Now since you have brought it up, I will answer, effortlessly and scripturally:

So bring it back, like good King Josiah.

Bear in mind that I skip over your textblocks; keep it concise.

Blogger #issues February 16, 2018 3:13 AM  

What’s an example of a back stab by KS?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 16, 2018 6:14 AM  

"Even Israel didn't get judges after she chose kings, and you expect the USA to get one?!"

You're making my point for me.

"The Churchians will argue till doomsday that the judges Mosaic government was inadequate because the Israelites disliked it"

I'm not a churchian, and you're trying to make a straw man parody of my position.

"The appropriate time to deploy that phrase is when you have already said something, not when introducing a new argument."

Says the guy still arguing a point I never made.

"So bring it back, like good King Josiah."

I already answered that. It's not coming back until you have people able to fit under it. It can't.

An argument could be made for making a rudimentary structure and trying to grow it from there, bringing in people as you are able to ensure their fit, but that's sort of what the Churches are supposed to be, isn't it?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 16, 2018 6:32 AM  

"What’s an example of a back stab by KS?"

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2016/10/20/2016-is-the-stupidest-year-n2234682
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2016/04/04/trump-is-toast-and-good-riddance-n2142633

Work for you?

Blogger The Anti-Gnostic February 16, 2018 9:10 AM  

"Ahh, the Principled Principletarian."

I'm borrowing this. Ideologues will be the death of us.

Blogger Koanic February 16, 2018 11:40 AM  

>> Even Israel didn't get judges after she chose kings, and you expect the USA to get one?!
> You're making my point for me.

I anticipated you would say that, and have pre-composed my response:

You are one of those who looks at mushrooms and believes they spring up magically when it rains.

You neither know nor understand that a vast mycelium grows beneath, with the rain only supplying the vascular pressure to burst the fruiting bodies through the turf.

So you assume that judges Israel was defined by the divine dispensation of judges, failing to realize that it was the antifragile societal design which produced a plentiful and timely supply of such men, and the warriors to recognize and follow them.

> An argument could be made for making a rudimentary structure and trying to grow it from there, bringing in people as you are able to ensure their fit, but that's sort of what the Churches are supposed to be, isn't it?

What, did you think I was proposing doing it all by Tuesday? The path lies through King Trump, and much chaos and bloodshed besides. First step: Confess.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 16, 2018 8:25 PM  

"You neither know nor understand that a vast mycelium grows beneath"

On the contrary. You're the one who thinks you can suddenly have caps with no mycelium.

"So you assume that judges Israel was defined by the divine dispensation of judges"

No, you're straw manning again.

"failing to realize that it was the antifragile societal design which produced a plentiful and timely supply of such men, and the warriors to recognize and follow them."

You're again making my argument for me.

"What, did you think I was proposing doing it all by Tuesday?"

That's what it sounded like more or less. With that clarified, it doesn't seem that we have any major disagreement. I don't think a lot of people realize exactly how the Judges worked, TBH. Maybe that explanation should be the first foot forward?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 16, 2018 9:17 PM  

"You neither know nor understand that a vast mycelium grows beneath"

Making my argument for me again.

"failing to realize that it was the antifragile societal design which produced a plentiful and timely supply of such men, and the warriors to recognize and follow them."

And again. I would add that the nature of the people dictates the solidity of the society. Nature doesn't change in a day.

"What, did you think I was proposing doing it all by Tuesday?"

It seemed like it, more or less. With that clarification out of the way, it appears that we don't have any major disagreements.

IMO, most people have no idea how the Judges actually worked. Perhaps that exposition would be an ideal first foot forward?

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction February 17, 2018 3:31 PM  

Yet I do recall instances of militia staring down feds. Look anyone can take single data points, bereft of context, to make their point. He fact is that we won't know the last straw moment until we hit it.

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