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Saturday, February 17, 2018

Black is the new black

Black Panther is not only the best superhero movie ever made, it is also the most successful. More or less. This just goes to show that Obama really did heal the racial divide in the United States and end global racism.
By the time the four-day President’s Day holiday stretch ends, Black Panther will have surpassed many of Marvel’s mightiest on the all-time domestic B.O. openers chart. Black Panther is now looking at the 6th best opening of all-time on a 3-day-basis with an estimated $187.6M per industry projections and a mind-blowing $216M over four days.

How much do moviegoers love Black Panther? The Ryan Coogler-directed movie earned an A+ CinemaScore tonight, Marvel’s second after 2012’s The Avengers.

On the 3-day all-time chart, Black Panther is just above Captain America: Civil War ($179.1M). Back in January Fandango reported that out of the gate in its first 24 hours, Black Panther outstripped the advance tickets sales of Civil War, however, analysts didn’t rush to comp the Wakanda superhero to Marvel’s other titles. They just couldn’t believe at the time how massive this was going to be. While Black Panther is under Avengers: Age of Ultron on the 3-day all-time openers list  ($191.2M), the pic is beating the sequel’s four-day run ($204.4M). Black Panther has already left Disney’s Beauty and the Beast ($174.7M) and WB/DC’s Batman v. Superman ($166M) in the dust to become the biggest pre-summer opener of all-time.
This is excellent news. Given the similarly unprecedented success of Wonder Woman, Marvel is clearly going to be doubling down, and doubling down again, on even more diversity.

The door to the disruption of the comics industry just opened that much wider.

It's going to be amusing to read the revisionist reviews when all the critics finally sober up. I expect we will see an arc similar to the one we see after every Star Wars movie.
  1. OMG! It's the BEST since EMPIRE!
  2. Okay, maybe we got a little carried away. But it's still really good!
  3. Well, I mean, it's all right.
  4. Actually, there are a lot of things that don't make any sense.
  5. And are pretty lame, come to think of it.
  6. This movie sucks.
  7. Now, what was the second one called? No, the second of the new ones, not the prequels.
You know it's going to happen. The whispers about the first major plot holes have already begun. And speaking of Star Wars movies, as of Day 62, The Last Jedi had officially fallen $300 million behind its predecessor in domestic box office.

TFA: Day 63 $917.8
TLJ: Day 63 $617.4

Both my December 19th prediction and my January 12th projection of $624 million domestic are looking pretty good. Including the foreign box office, TLJ is currently $745.8 million short. Convergence is expensive.

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72 Comments:

Blogger Ingot9455 February 17, 2018 9:16 AM  

Black Panther is Baby's First Shakespeare.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 17, 2018 9:19 AM  

Sailer could not even get into a 10:45 PM show so I thought he was going to be the first of the dissident right to take one for the team, as of now it has still not been reviewed by anyone I look to for movie insight.

Blogger Miguel February 17, 2018 9:24 AM  

So....VD, when will you start your movie company?

I always picture you posting these types of news (of converged companies) with dollar signs as your pupils and rubbing hands jewshly.

Blogger Lovekraft February 17, 2018 9:25 AM  

Anytime someone tells me I have to support something that is backed by veiled threats, I automatically oppose.

Until BLM comes clean and other black supremacists as to their ideology, Black Panther will just have to be grouped in with them.

Blogger VD February 17, 2018 9:28 AM  

So....VD, when will you start your movie company?

If everything goes well, 5-7 years from now. It's never been a goal of mine, but events appear to be laying out a possible path that way.

Blogger FUBARwest February 17, 2018 9:28 AM  

I can't figure out if people treat women and minorities like this because they are going along with the crowd or if subconsciously the do not see them as capable as white guys(or Jewish in this example).

That being said I haven't heard or read any warning signs about the film myself.

Blogger VD February 17, 2018 9:31 AM  

I should mention that right now, most of the available small money on the Right is going to Gab. Perhaps that will work out, or perhaps it will play out as a miniature version of a Silicon Valley win where the investment resources all get burned up and then the company dies.

I don't think I'd want to make a movie yet anyhow, even if we had $5 million to do it. I'd rather get Alt-Hero and Avalon established first.

Blogger JACIII February 17, 2018 9:32 AM  

White idiots (See?!, I just LOVE black people! I'm so not racist AT ALL!) who voted for Obama are getting their diversity deficit credits back by buying tickets to a blacksploitation B movie. It's fun to watch!

What's really going to be fun is when the actors start bitching because some Jews are the ones making all the real money off the film. You know they will; nothing can top black entitlement.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright February 17, 2018 9:49 AM  

Maybe...but maybe not. Every comment I have heard about why Black Panther is good is because it upholds some basic traditional value-- strong male family leaders, Strong country borders, etc.

I am wondering if we are going to see the SJWs turn on this movie... because while they think they are going to like it, it actually upholds all sorts of values they are against.

I would not be surprised if, a year from now, those on the Right still feel it's a good movie, and those on the Left hate and revile it.

Blogger tz February 17, 2018 9:51 AM  

I actually went and saw it.
Mid tier, sort of like Iron Man 3.
Entertaining, don't think too hard (they have laser or missle shooting space ships but have spears instead of guns?). I wasn't looking for any preachyness, so didn't see any. There were some tropes (Female warriors and scientists), but no "because girls are better". I'd give it a 6 or 7 out of 10, enough for a matinee when you have nothing else to do. But not and epic "must see". For comparison, Wonder Woman I would give a 9. I didn't see Justice League. Thor: Rangnarok I would give an 8.

The bell curve lives. As do apparently black exploitation movies.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright February 17, 2018 9:52 AM  

I should say specifically.... everything I have heard from friends on tue Right who have already seen it.

Blogger Michael Maier February 17, 2018 10:03 AM  

All I know is I'm going to be packing going to see it.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 17, 2018 10:08 AM  

They've already claimed part of the profits for "the community."
http://financialjuneteenth.com/petition-calls-portion-black-panther-profits-invested-black-community/

Black Americans have to be the most tiresome culture that has ever existed.
They aren't really threatening outside of South Africa, but they damn sure are annoying as hell.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 17, 2018 10:09 AM  

Tz,

I was wondering if it's actually a good movie. Although this could be the first part of the slide downwards to dumbness.

Blogger Looking Glass February 17, 2018 10:12 AM  

It's an amalgam of basic Shakespeare with some fight scenes, good production design and they found every good actor they could get a hold of. It actually looks to be a sign of what Hollywood can do if it doesn't spend significant amounts of time undermining their heroes because their White.

Basically, it's a solid B+ because they actually made a Globalist SJW the villain and the rightful King reclaimed the crown. Which is why this movie is going to drop like a rock next weekend. The SJWs aren't actually defending it very hard and it has no cultural cachet with the majority movie-going audience.

I also don't think the $200 million 4-day weekend projections will hold up. It's a Marvel Movie + High-interest Ethnic turnout out, which should lead it to a big Thursday/Friday returns, but it should drop pretty hard towards Monday. I originally thought 80-100 million opening, but probably now closer to 150 million. (Marketing Department deserves their bonuses.)

On The Last Jedi, that movie actually insulted its audience. Black Panther kept itself in check, which is create to Feige. As I said in a recent comment thread, the guy knows how to lie to the press. He seems to be the single force in the Marvel side of things keeping the SJWs under control.

Blogger YIH February 17, 2018 10:20 AM  

It's going to be interesting to see how this flick fares in China. My guess? Not well, from what I've seen Chinese don't think much of Africans - and certainly don't worship them. I'm thinking it'll fail as hard as The Last Jedi - which didn't survive two weeks.
That said, from what I've seen of the 'negative' reviews, it doesn't suck. It's not (and is never going to be) a ''one of the greatest films ever'' but it doesn't suck.
''As far as Marvel movies go, that puts it firmly in the lower ranks, among the likes of "Thor: The Dark World" and "The Incredible Hulk."
The attempted blockade of negative reviews on Rotten Tomatoes failed. There are now nine of them, but having seen a few of them, they don't slam the film hard. It probably won't be a Razzie candidate next year.

Blogger VD February 17, 2018 10:25 AM  

Maybe...but maybe not. Every comment I have heard about why Black Panther is good is because it upholds some basic traditional value-- strong male family leaders, Strong country borders, etc.

You don't understand the strategy of convergence. What they are doing is luring in the center by giving them what they want... but for the focal point.

The black theme is the focal point. All the other stuff is just there to allow them to make that point successfully. Once that's done, they can jettison those basic traditional values and claim that it was the racial aspect that made it successful all along.

This is Hollywood, after all. It's DC and Marvel. Do you really think they changed their minds about any of those basic traditional values?

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(Shaft!)
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Who is the man
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(Shaft!)
Can ya dig it?
Who's the cat that won't cop out
when there's danger all about
(Shaft!)
Right on
You see this cat Shaft is a bad mother--
(Shut your mouth)
But I'm talkin' about Shaft
(Then we can dig it)
He's a complicated man
but no one understands him but his woman
(John Shaft)

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 17, 2018 10:33 AM  

Yeah my spider sense was tingling, and you posted something a week or so ago about Feige making a statement establishing his diversity and SJW bona fides.

Blogger Looking Glass February 17, 2018 10:39 AM  

@17 VD

Leopards don't change their spots, though the Marvel movies will stay center-Left until someone takes out Feige. Considering how much money they're making, we're probably at the "sooner than later" stage now.

Black Panther is an interesting data point about Hollywood being more than capable of making solid entertainment, but it's clearly their politics driving them in the un-economic direction. Convergence kills.

Blogger Chris Lutz February 17, 2018 10:51 AM  

@10 Heard one review with a group of guys (including a black guy) and they gave it between a 7.0-7.5. So it is your standard Marvel movie. It's not great but it's a decent matinée flick. I predict a major drop-off after this week.

If that is all TLJ has made then it is at best break even.

Blogger Nathan February 17, 2018 10:54 AM  

Black Panther had some red meat for the SJWs - elite tranny warriors lol - but the core of the story is about the dynamic between rich, talented blacks (Wakanda) and poor blacks. Should talented blacks use their resources to fund a race war? Should they stay safe and hidden ("I'm not black, I'm OJ")? Or should they invest in the improvement in their community?

I expected much more hate whitey nonsense given how bad TLJ was, but the moral of the story was solidly traditional. Hollywood and the SJWs are in a for a ride awakening if they try to converge the series further. Black men will defect, just like white men have defected from their cultural jihad already

Blogger Nate February 17, 2018 11:03 AM  

Ummm.. The numbers aren't that good.

Blogger VD February 17, 2018 11:07 AM  

Ummm.. The numbers aren't that good.

That's racist.

Blogger Koanic February 17, 2018 11:19 AM  

The reason niggers never built Wakanda is that they always blow their discretionary and indiscretionary income on flashy bullshit like Wakanda.

Blogger SouthRon February 17, 2018 11:25 AM  

You just don't understand real blackanomics. /sarc

But seriously, given traditional black short-time-preference spending patterns I would expect it to drop day-over-day once the kids have seen it Saturday.

There's a reason they say, "TGIF, oh my God it's Monday." Nigger rich never makes it through the weekend.

Blogger Phat Repat February 17, 2018 11:33 AM  

Flashy; now if only I could understand WTF they're saying. Technology, brought to you by YT.

Blogger Amos Bellomy February 17, 2018 11:46 AM  

Oh, hey look at that, the Rotten Tomatoes user reviews are 23% below the critic reviews. Who would have guessed it!

And pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

OpenID dreadilkzee February 17, 2018 11:48 AM  

You cannot discount the "Black Factor". If nothing else Black people will watch "Black movies" regardless of how good they are.

White person: OMG new Marvel movie!
Black person: I hate superhero movies.
White person: It's the Black Panther.
Black person: Nigg'a get in the F*ck'n car we late for pre-sale.

That said Black Panther is one of the better Marvel characters who did a pretty good job of showing a hopeful way for Black tribes to become something fantastic. Sure is was written by a white jew but lets not let facts get in the way of good blaxploitation movie.

And I don't care what you nigg'a say Last Dragon was the f_ck'n bomb.. Sho'Nuff.

Kidding aside if Black people would act like the fabled Wakandan's we would all be better off.

Blogger pyrrhus February 17, 2018 11:48 AM  

@26 Per a theater owning friend of mine, Black area theaters always do a much bigger "candy" business than ones in white areas. If they've got anything in their pocket, they spend it...

Blogger Robert Coble February 17, 2018 11:50 AM  

The Zman analyzes responses to Black Panther.

Link: Hakuna Wakanda

I think I'll pass on this one for reasons of indigestion.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 17, 2018 11:51 AM  

The movie had a brilliant opening for a simple Christian statement at the end which would have catapulted the movie from that 7 out of 10, B grade status to a 9 and solid A. It would even have been set up with the ending of Civil War.

But they blew it. I hungered for it but they blew it.

All he would have had to say, in answer to Killmonger's boasting about death and destruction and power is, "I serve life." And it would all have been done.

Blogger Orthodox February 17, 2018 11:54 AM  

The movie had a brilliant opening for a simple Christian statement

Hitler would have won the war if he made all the Jews work on making A-bombs.

Blogger MOTW February 17, 2018 11:57 AM  

VD said:

"You don't understand the strategy of convergence. What they are doing is luring in the center by giving them what they want... but for the focal point.

The black theme is the focal point. All the other stuff is just there to allow them to make that point successfully. Once that's done, they can jettison those basic traditional values and claim that it was the racial aspect that made it successful all along."

Agreed. I even predict that the second Black Panther movie will have a villain who wants to bring the traditional nationalist values back to Wakanda, but the Black Panther--who will by then be SJW enlightened and will thus have accepted the glories of progressive globalism--will fight to stop Wakanda's return to its past "dark ages" of nativism and "regressivism".

Thus, in this movie, they show a nationalistic Wakanda so that they can then use that premise in movie two to show how much better Wakanda becomes once it turns globalist and progressive. That is my prediction.

Blogger Dos Voltz February 17, 2018 12:00 PM  

I tried to have a nice fish n chips dinner last night at the local brew pub. Denied. The TVs were all tuned into TMZ I think, sound turned down (thank God) but the closed captioning was on.

The ticker scrolled on and on, as interviews with black writers and actors and producers etc chimed in. As well as movie goers.

Holy shit! A new cult has been created. Missing their hero (and last cult leader) Obama, they crave a new one. And Hollywood delivered. These people are really stupid.

On and on they went, telling how this movie "proves" and "validates" blacks, and puts to rest the notion the "myth" that the people of Africa were "backward" when whites colonized. I see more re-writing of history on the horizon. Rev, Sharpton was right, Wakanda wuz real and they wuz kangz!

You'd think they had just discovered the Holy Bible! This was the creepiest thing I've seen since black kids started marching and chanting Obama's name in classroom (at teacher's direction) 10 years ago.

Where's that meteor they been promising me for years?

Blogger VD February 17, 2018 12:04 PM  

Thus, in this movie, they show a nationalistic Wakanda so that they can then use that premise in movie two to show how much better Wakanda becomes once it turns globalist and progressive. That is my prediction.

I was actually expecting them to pull that in this movie.

Blogger Ned February 17, 2018 12:14 PM  

My wife just pointed out gleefully that the film was being flamed for lack of LBGT inclusion. So the movie apparently isn't converged enough for the Prozis.

Blogger Nate February 17, 2018 12:15 PM  

I mean batman vs superman was a complete flop. Beating that isn't anything to brag about.

Blogger Michael Maier February 17, 2018 12:19 PM  

Dos Voltz wrote:
On and on they went, telling how this movie "proves" and "validates" blacks, and puts to rest the notion the "myth" that the people of Africa were "backward" when whites colonized. I see more re-writing of history on the horizon. Rev, Sharpton was right, Wakanda wuz real and they wuz kangz!



uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... come again?

Blogger Leatherwing February 17, 2018 12:26 PM  

I wonder how BP has affected the box office for neighboring movies. I was going to go see something, then decided it would be bad to get caught in some black power trip, so I'm staying home.

Blogger Lovekraft February 17, 2018 12:33 PM  

Thor:Ragnarok and BP seemed to be two movies on the opposite ends of the spectrum.

Thor has the evil sister usurp and destroy the land, with that ragtag group of refugees sent off in search of new lands at the end.

From what I know of BP, an attempt to do this was made, but fended off by Mr T'Challa.

Thor Ragnarok is what happens when secession is thrown out the window. BP is BEFORE this scenario. I wonder how Marvel is going to handle this in the BP sequel. The issue is actually quite relevant, considering western nations have a pressing need to either 1. repatriate millions of people, 2. develop secession/sharing of power rules among extremely competing forces or 3. virtue signal/thought 'n' prayers while the system collapses.

Blogger Nathan February 17, 2018 12:53 PM  

I think seeing this as about nationalism / globalism is a mistake. A number of smart, rich black men have begun to make noise about how the only way black people will get out of complete poverty is the same way the Jews, Han and WASPs did - ethnic self-investment. At the end of the movie, the hero is shown as purchasing slum housing in order to educate and revitalize Oakland. Wakanda does not represent a country, it represents people like Chris Rock and other sober, talented black men hiding in plain sight from being labeled a n*gger.

Blogger DJ | AMDG February 17, 2018 1:08 PM  

That’s KING T’Challa to you, boy.

Blogger Amos Bellomy February 17, 2018 1:18 PM  

Exactly.

What do you think will happen if the movie is as big as expected?

Will the message taken be "Hey, our diverse movie was popular because diversity served the story and the values were traditional?"

Or will it be "THERE'S PROOF! MORE DIVERSITY GOOD!!!"

Smart money is on the latter.

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright February 17, 2018 2:23 PM  

@17

I wonderdw, Vox, if they might have accidentally made a good movie...by mistake, kind of like how, in the movie Angel on My Shoulder, the crooked guy stuck into the body of a good man accidentally goes straight.

Sometimes, when you play around with certain ideas, the logic of the ideas takes over, and you don't realize what you have done until it is too late.

I am wondering if they might run into this with ideas like kingship and closed borders.

Also while Disney, DC, and Marvel have been awful of late, the Marvel movies, in particular, have not been that bad

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 17, 2018 2:25 PM  

@29 "if Black people would act like the fabled Wakandan's we would all be better off."

if Black people would MOVE TO the fabled Wakandan's we would all be better off.
FIFY

Blogger L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright February 17, 2018 2:26 PM  

@37 I think we are going to see more and more of this...the SJWs turning on this movie.

They eat their own.

Blogger Chris Gallo February 17, 2018 2:49 PM  

I thought it was interesting that Ragnarok ended with, "Asgard isn't a place, it's a people."

Blogger Danby February 17, 2018 3:05 PM  

Dos Voltz wrote:I tried to have a nice fish n chips dinner last night at the local brew pub.
Sorry, if they have anything other than footie or ruggers on, it's not a pub, it's a pretentious tavern.

Blogger Unknown February 17, 2018 3:07 PM  

Call me crazy but I don't see a problem with an all-black movie? I would like to see a good action movie, period, but with any of these political SJW fests I can't trust the good reviews and I can't trust the auto-haters, so I save my time and money.

Blogger bob kek mando February 17, 2018 3:26 PM  

9. L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright February 17, 2018 9:49 AM
I am wondering if we are going to see the SJWs turn on this movie... because while they think they are going to like it, it actually upholds all sorts of values they are against.



every act and political stance is permitted to Blacks ... because Proletarian.

you should have been aware of the fundamental hypocrisy of the Left, long, long ago.

that's how La Raza ( literally, 'The Race' ) gets away with being openly racist and talking about seizing the American southwest from the Gringo.

in modern Cultural Marxist parlance, "White" ( amongst many other markers ) is Code Switching for Bourgeoisie.

and it is the goal of all Marxists do Genocide all Bourgeoisie.


10. tz February 17, 2018 9:51 AM
Thor: Rangnarok I would give an 8.


Ragnarok was a sup-par movie, undercutting every moment of supposed dramatic tension with inappropriate and stupid jokes. and that's without even considering the retarded 'character arc' the director inserted for himself.

and then you had a valkyrie constantly humiliating ... not just a god, but one of the mightest of the Norse gods.

Winter Soldier is the best of the Cap movies.

Ragnarok was, perhaps, a 3.


"PostTrak reports that 55% of the crowd bought their tickets online, indicating it was a major event for many, just like a Star Wars film."

indicating, rather, the ease with which the system could be gamed.

Blogger Amos Bellomy February 17, 2018 3:38 PM  

Winter Soldier is a great movie. Civil War was also very good.

But the best superhero movie is The Incredibles.

Blogger ReluctantMessiah February 17, 2018 3:43 PM  

You see what the SJWs had to say about Last Jedi critics?

"J.J. Abrams: Star Wars Fans Who Didn’t Like Last Jedi Are Threatened By Women"

The ol' if you don't support our globalist policies you must be racist, sexist, bigot.

@51, They've ruined Incredibles with the sequel. Concerning being a stay at home dad, Mr Incredible: "I've got to succeed so she can succeed"

Blogger S1AL February 17, 2018 3:47 PM  

"Winter Soldier is the best of the Cap movies."

Civil War, hands down.

Blogger The Pepe report February 17, 2018 4:20 PM  

re movies. Recently my wife was watching what she calls her favorite movie Some Kind of Wonderful (1987) initially I was forced to watch it but I found that I liked it and I was glad I watched it, that movie is awesome, I have gone on Hollywood in the past often unfairly but I have to give them credit sometimes, sometimes they put together some really awesome productions

Blogger tublecane February 17, 2018 4:23 PM  

@L. Jagi Lamplighter Wright-SJWs Wrigh have had a LONG time to stand against black nationalism. They don't care.

If you haven't noticed yet, non-whites get to be all the bad things whites don't get to be: nationalist, racists, sexist, traditionally religious, etc.

I mean, if they're still okay with Muslims, what's a fantasy movie about black particularism supposed to do?

Rightists will be forever split. Though part of the basic message will be on their side, no doubt it shall be buried in Current-Year pieties. I wouldn't be surprised if it expliviexp rejects the nationalist message while simultaneously promoting it. They tend to do that.

It's nice they promote anything worthwhile ever. But that's not much if it's amidst a bunch of crap.

On the other hand, the MSM has already hyped the "this is what Africa would look like if whites hadn't interfered" narrative, which could be in the movie itself. Which is of course a crock.

Blogger tublecane February 17, 2018 4:44 PM  

@The Pepe Report-That was written by John Hughes, who was not a typivty Hollywood guy. Though nowadays his knowledge of and affinity for youth culture gives me pause, to be honest.

His movies were full of left-of-center subject matter, for instance everything outside of a certain radius of big cities being Deliverance Country (see Planes, Trains, and Automobiles; Vacation). Some Kind of Wonderful is about the class divide, which was the "intersectional" issue of the time .

But at least he's firmly rooted in place (suburbs of Chicago) and it's all about the dispossed majority. The most diverse it gets are Japanese exchange students and an "oily Bohunk." Plys, despite people being naned after penises and similar fare, they have an undeniably traditional feel to them.

Relatively speaking, of course.

Blogger The Pepe report February 17, 2018 4:54 PM  

@tublecane: there are a lot of things I liked about the movie... it really showcases the awesome-ness of love...the patience of it and the generosity of it in particular. I was very impressed by the facial expressions of Eric Stoltz and the blonde conveying complex emotions.... For Eric Stoltz he got everything he wanted. He was a hard working nice guy and love was patient enough with him for him to allow himself to prove whatever he needed to prove to himself by first going for the redhead character and innocently hurting the blonde character that was his best friend that was also in love with him. Love was patient enough with him to allow him to prove what he had to prove himself (good enough to date the popular girl in school) patient enough and forgiving enough with him to give him time to realize that his best friend was in love him and that he loved her. And he didn't have to IMPRESS anyone to get her he just had to be himself. Also we see his father out of love wanting him to use the money he had saved for college (an intelligent responsible fatherly thing for a father to want) but ultimately the father backs off gives him his space and the father also adds at the end of a scene "and IM still gonna continue to ride you about going to college"... also it helps that Eric Stoltz was hard working nice guy. So I like the message if you a hard working nice guy you will get everything you can possibly want

Blogger tublecane February 17, 2018 5:09 PM  

There's an interesting socio-sexual aspect to Some Kind of Wonderful. In a sense the movie exists because John Hughes was unable to finish Pretty in Pink the way he wanted. Which was to have Andie---the low-class girl with something about her that attracted all the guys--and Duckie--the friendzoned loser who pined after Andie hopelessly--end up together. Preview audiences rebelled when they saw his original version, because it had been a love story between Andie and sensitive rich boy Blane, not between Andie and Duckie. At best, Duckie had a one-sided love affair. Andie barely noticed him.

They had to reshoot the climax, which is why Andrew McCarthy is wearing an awful wig as Blane.

The preview audience was correct. No way Andie goes for Duckie. She'd more likely go with bad boy Steph (the true breakout character, in my opinion), even though she hates him and James Spader acts like he's drunk the entire movie, if not Blane.

Some Kind of Wonderful is a gender-flopped redo, but with important differences. Eric Stolz's character is just a lower-class weirdo. He lacks Andie's I-don't-know-what. The hopeless piner is not hopeless on account of being somewhat attractive, though a tomboy.

More importantly, there's no real romance between the rich girl and the protagonist. She agrees to go out with him because of personal reasons, not because she's attracted to him. He's not in love with her, though he thinks she's beautiful. It's more about proving something to himself.

Despite the fact that the tomboy is more into Stoltz than he is into her, there are hints they're into eachother throughout the movie. It doesn't come out of nowhere at the end. There's an element of the old Hollywood nonsense of "Oh, I didn't realize I was in love with you all along; stupid me," but it's tolerable.

Best part gets feminist's goats these days. The main character gives expensive diamond earrings to the punkish tomboy after the prom queen turns them down. Instead of rejecting them as symbols of male dominance or whatever SJWs'd have her do, she turns into a girly-girl, cries, and says they're what she's always wanted. Or something like that.

Blogger The Pepe report February 17, 2018 5:24 PM  


Despite the fact that the tomboy is more into Stoltz than he is into her, there are hints they're into eachother throughout the movie.


As I saw it there were hints that the blonde was into him throughout the movie but from his perspective he initially saw her as a best friend or a sister, and he didn't have any room for her bc he was obsessed with the redhead, but there was a gradual realization on his part of her feelings and that he had also more-than-friends feelings for the blonde

Blogger WATYF February 17, 2018 10:47 PM  

VD wrote:Thus, in this movie, they show a nationalistic Wakanda so that they can then use that premise in movie two to show how much better Wakanda becomes once it turns globalist and progressive. That is my prediction.

I was actually expecting them to pull that in this movie.


They did.

How many people here actually saw this movie? I thought I saw some comments about how this movie was pro-nationalist and so would undercut the SJWs and what not. Was this something they concluded from second-hand info? Because that's the opposite message that this movie conveys.

I'll leave aside the non-political things I didn't like about this movie (the CGI, the incoherent motives of the Big Bad, the lousy fight choreography, the hammy accents/acting) and focus on the political message.

The Big Bad is angry at the history of black oppression (and maybe even oppression in general, but mostly black oppression) and he's also pissed that Black Panther's dad killed his dad. He tricks some white dude into helping him steal back an artifact that was stolen from Wakandans by evil Whitey a long time ago. Afterwards, he double-crosses the white dude because it ends up he only wanted to kill him so he could deliver him (a wanted Wakandan criminal) to the Wakandans as a way to leverage his way in the door and gain some clout.

Once there, he points out how Wakandans shouldn't be in hiding, letting oppression of their people (I guess all black people are their people or something) go on around the world. They should be helping. Not just helping, but ruling. Black Panther talks about how important it is that they protect Wakanda and its secrets and how it has always been this way. Big Bad challenges Black Panther for the crown and wins, then sets in motion a plan to send advanced weapons to all of the "oppressed people" around the world so they can rise up against their oppressors.

Yes, some of the social justicey things are put in the mouth of the Big Bad, but they are done so in a sympathetic manner, not in a way that makes him sound crazy or even wrong. This is demonstrated by the fact that by the end of the movie, after defeating the Big Bad and giving him a chance to see one last Wakandan sunset and say a few words about the evils of slavery before finally dying, Black Panther decides that the Big Bad was right all along (at least in part).

First, he goes to America and buys up a bunch of buildings in the projects so he can "make a difference". Then, in a post-credit scene that made me groan audibly, he goes to the UN, announces their intention to start aiding the world and taking a more active role in it, reveals their secret advanced status (since up to that point everyone assumed they were just a poor nation of farmers) and gives a "Can't we all just get along" speech that rivals anything ever said by any milquetoast, white-guilt-addled liberal. Something about "there's much more that unites us than divides us" and all that hippy-dippy garbage.

There is nothing "nationalist" about this movie. If anything, it's about how a nationalist learned that his nationalism was wrong.

I will say that the preachy context in the main part of the film was more subtle and that if you didn't hang around for the post-credit scene then you may have missed exactly what they were trying to say, but after the speech he gives at the UN, the message couldn't have been clearer.

WATYF

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 17, 2018 10:53 PM  

I'm here to hijack the topic back from romance movies.

So, let's talk about guns, and particularly Wakanda's bizarre shortage of them/their competent use.

Blogger bob kek mando February 17, 2018 10:56 PM  

53. S1AL February 17, 2018 3:47 PM
Civil War, hands down.



you are obviously a Fake Movie Watcher and need to go back to critiquing Television serials.

from the 50s.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira February 17, 2018 11:00 PM  

Black Panther = Captain Blackmerica

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit February 17, 2018 11:15 PM  

@53 "Civil War, hands down."

The yardape is down with the 'flu, so we've been watching a lot of movies together. I had the library copy of "Civil War" (No holds, unlike both Wonder Woman & the new Spider-man, for which there is still a wait list) on hand so we watched that, a fun anime ("Flying Witch") and Night of the Museum 2

Yardape was shocked when I told her that "Civil War" was the creme-de-la-creme of popular money-making Hollywood movies. "But, it's, just... meh."

Try the experiment for yourself. Get a library copy of CW & also NatM. Watch them back-to-back.

Propaganda is the death of art.

Vive Castalia. Vive Arkhaven. Vive indie.

ca ira.

Blogger Sam February 18, 2018 12:06 AM  

That Some Kind of Wonderful practice kiss scene is amazing. Mary Stuart Masterson one of my all-time faves.

Blogger S1AL February 18, 2018 1:00 AM  

"Try the experiment for yourself. Get a library copy of CW & also NatM. Watch them back-to-back."

I enjoyed the NatM movies. But, and I mean this quite seriously, Civil War is the only movie of this era to capture America's ongoing existential crisis. The shocking thing about it is that the director got away with it.

"you are obviously a Fake Movie Watcher and need to go back to critiquing Television serials.

from the 50s."

I don't have your first-hand experience to judge said serious.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit February 18, 2018 1:05 AM  

@66 Civil War is the only movie of this era to capture America's ongoing existential crisis.

Agreed. That's what we like about watching it. Lots of pauses to discuss. Very chewy.

But there was a lot of "stupid for plot", bad characterization, clumsy humor that didn't play off, and poor pacing.

How the mighty have fallen, no?

Blogger S1AL February 18, 2018 10:23 AM  

Maybe it's just me, but I think a lack of cheesiness makes superhero movies worse, not better.

Blogger bob kek mando February 18, 2018 2:25 PM  

well, you're already wrong about the best Cap movie so ... whatever.

;-]

Blogger Jakob Niedzwiecki February 18, 2018 5:22 PM  

Count me in.

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