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Friday, February 09, 2018

Disproving pay discrimination... again

Uber's objective, driver-controlled pay system still produces a pay gap:
The mainstream media also continues to cite the pay gap as a problem, disregarding evidence that it’s merely the result of free choice. Recently, an even more convincing rebuttal has arisen from the tech sector.

Uber, which pays its drivers not on an inherently subjective individual basis but via a formula that takes into account time and mileage driven, still has a 7 percent pay gap between male and female drivers. That’s right: a company that allocates salary in a way that is necessarily blind to an employee’s sex has still generated a pay gap, because men and women make different choices.

It turns out that female Uber drivers work shorter hours, are less likely to work during peak times, and drive more slowly. Because the compensation structure is automatic, Stanford researchers were able to pin down the three factors that caused the gap: experience on the platform, willingness to work at peak times and in busy areas, and driving speed preferences.
Somehow, I doubt these facts will even act as a speed bump to feminists rushing to denounce Uber's sexist pay gap. Still, it would be interesting to see how race and other factors affect average pay.

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Blogger Longtime Lurker February 09, 2018 5:49 PM  

The Equality-of-Outcome Crew won't care. Because it wants what it wants when it wants it. Reality be damned.

Blogger RobertT February 09, 2018 5:55 PM  

Maybe Uber can tell us. Somebody needs to subpoena those records before CA gets involved.

Blogger dvdivx February 09, 2018 5:59 PM  

Due to the sheer volume of foreigners race would be meaningless. My guess is the foreigners make the bulk of the peak time drivers though. Race becomes meaningless when someone who is clearly not white can call themselves white.

Blogger James Jones February 09, 2018 6:01 PM  

Surely the pay gap myth will have taken a big blow after the Jordan Peterson/Cathy Newman interview.

Blogger Giraffe February 09, 2018 6:03 PM  

Its time to end the wage gap by men reporting as a female. We're all trans now.

Blogger Zaklog the Great February 09, 2018 6:18 PM  

@James Jones

Surely the pay gap myth will have taken a big blow after the Jordan Peterson/Cathy Newman interview.

So what I hear you saying is that Peterson is going to attempt to blow up the BBC in revenge for his unkind treatment there.

Blogger Jack Ward February 09, 2018 6:47 PM  

This is an easy fix. Uber just has to double the female compensation within the formula they use. Everything is then golden, is it not? [sar]

Blogger David-2 February 09, 2018 7:46 PM  

Key takeaway from the paper: Choose a male Uber driver - you'll get where you're going sooner. (A little sooner. Averaged over many trips.)

Blogger David-2 February 09, 2018 7:48 PM  

To see how race or other factors affect Uber pay simply find reliable statistics gathered on race or other factors on driving speed (e.g., maybe the National Highway Travel Survey will have that data, it was used in the paper).

Driving speed accounted for nearly 50% of the observed "gender pay gap" among Uber drivers.

Blogger David-2 February 09, 2018 7:51 PM  

The paper did _not_ evaluate the effect of tips when considering this "gender pay gap". (I understand that Uber does allow tipping.)

It would be _very_ interesting to know if there are differences in tipping due to the gender of the _driver_ and how much that affects this "gender pay gap". It could make it worse (if male drivers received more tip money) or reduce it or even reverse it (if female drivers received more tip money).

What's your guess?

Blogger James Jones February 09, 2018 8:06 PM  

Perfect response :)

Blogger James Jones February 09, 2018 8:08 PM  

I'd definitely give a woman a tip...

'Drive a bit faster, you pussy'.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 February 09, 2018 8:13 PM  

The gender pay gap sounds like a white person problem.

Was she unable to get into the country club?

Blogger Cecil Henry February 09, 2018 8:36 PM  

So what your saying is no matter what women will NEVER make the same as men across the board while making the choices and priorities of women ......


UNLESS we develop a totalitarian state that controls earnings and redistributes money and status to those most 'deserving'.

Because caring......

Blogger Akulkis February 09, 2018 9:06 PM  

Women want the big bucks, but, by and large, are absolutely unwilling to show the sort of dedication, and put up with the levels of aggravation needed to do so.

Blogger OGRE February 09, 2018 10:03 PM  

There is no Wage Gap. There is an earnings gap, a difference in incomes.

Calling it a 'wage' gap has been perhaps the most clever thing the feminists have ever done. Labeling income differences as a matter related to wages suggests that the issue is one of pay differences, that men receive a higher hourly wage or yearly salary than women for identical work. This appeals to peoples sense of fairness, that two people doing the same work should receive the same wage. If a business is paying male employees $10/hr to stock shelves and paying their female employees $8/hr to stock the same shelves, many would consider this to be fundamentally unfair.

Of course thats not whats going on. First, its illegal to pay men a higher wage than women, all else being equal, and has been so for a long time. If this was really the issue then feminists should consider the matter settled, as any instance of this occurring can quickly be reported and punished. Note that we never ever see an example of a woman getting a smaller salary than a man for the same position given similar levels of experience and education. Second, paying one group of employees less than another makes absolutely no economic sense, as an employer would simply hire more employees at the lower wage. What business wouldn't want to trim labor costs by %10 or more by hiring all women?

But even letting them call it a wage gap gives them a victory, as it lets them claim an unearned moral high ground. This should be challenged at every opportunity and redefined as an earnings gap. Most people wouldn't find it unfair to learn that a male cook earned $20K/year compared to a female cook earning $16K/year when they see that the male cook worked 40 hrs/week compared to the woman working 32 hrs/week. But when its stated as "Women are paid 80 cents for every dollar men are paid" suggest that women are getting a wage rate at 80% of men (which is an absurd and factually untrue proposition). Further, calling it an 'earnings gap' puts the matter on the employee...why aren't they 'earning' more...as opposed to 'wage gap' which looks to the employer to explain why the wage isn't higher.

But I think most feminists deep down know all this. Sure the blue haired grunts in the gender studies programs honestly believe that there are a bunch of business out there that set wage rates for women at a substantial discount compared to men. But the feminist leaders know better. And they also know that the only way the wage gap as they define it could ever be equalized would be to pay women a substantially higher wage than men, or to impose government payouts to women to compensate for the difference. And that is what they really want...more money and more power for women at the expense of men, so as to further divide the sexes and sow resentment and anger. Fundamentally its an attack on the family and heterosexual marriage.

Blogger Mrs. Blessed February 09, 2018 10:36 PM  

Well, it is obvious that algorithms are inherently biased: https://newrepublic.com/article/146710/injustice-algorithms

Blogger Michael Maier February 09, 2018 11:02 PM  

I love this place.

Blogger DonReynolds February 09, 2018 11:03 PM  

There may be another unmentioned factor.

My uncle, Paul Thomas Campbell, was head of the Cab Board in Nashville for a number of years, having been a driver for Checker for 42 years.

There had always been a rule that women could not drive in Nashville at night, simply because it was too dangerous. One of the women drivers became convinced that she could make more money at night and demanded her equal right to do so. Federal Judge Tom Wiseman so ordered that she be allowed to drive at night.

I have no way of knowing if she actually was paid more for driving at night or if the fares were shorter or more numerous. In less than two weeks, she was found in her cab, horribly abused and murdered. It really is more dangerous to drive a cab at night in Nashville....even for the men but doubly so for the women drivers.

Blogger Jack Amok February 09, 2018 11:37 PM  

That’s right: a company that allocates salary in a way that is necessarily blind to an employee’s sex has still generated a pay gap, because men and women make different choices.

Shame on you, bunch of misogynists making choices that make women feel bad. That shouldn't be allowed.

In less than two weeks, she was found in her cab, horribly abused and murdered.

Don, I assume the family of the dead cabbie sued the company for unsafe working conditions.

Blogger bagginz February 10, 2018 12:20 AM  

@15

>There is no Wage Gap. There is an earnings gap, a difference in incomes.<

Absolutely.

>Calling it a 'wage' gap has been perhaps the most clever >thing the feminists have ever done.<

Definitely cunning.

When I first became properly aware of Feminists (in the past 4 years) I used to think they were just idiots (which of course they are in some ways)

But the more I investigated some of the femtard thought leaders the clearer it became how incredibly sneaky and cunning they are.

Their whole system of usurping power and transferring unearned social, political and financial power from men to themselves has been developed and refined over decades. They're way ahead of the curve.

Like all things feminine they (have to) fight in a covert way - mainly by manipulating language.

Take the word "Misogyny"

Outside of the rare exception of the seriously mentally disturbed (who may well have had an abusive mother as a child ) The idea that men harbour pathological hatred for *all* women is absurd.

Every man had a mother at the very least, probably a grandmother. Often aunties, sisters, cousins. That most men hate women or even a small minority hate *all* women is a complete nonsense!

But years ago feminists had already correctly anticipated the eventual negative reaction from men to their attempt to usurp power ( they saw their self-fulfilling prophecy coming) and so already propagated the idea of "misogyny" into the culture so they can point and shriek at any men that objects to their usurpation, to suppress them back into mute compliance with the weight of the culture at their back.

There's been decades of serious thinking going on, projecting several steps forward by committed feminist ideologues - somewhere.

Other phrases that have been weaponised and culturally propagated with the specific ideological intention to undermine one's ability to object:

"Sexism"

"Male privilege"

"Rape Culture"

"Patriarchal Oppression"

"Violence Against Women" - as if it's just women that get abused*

"Men and women are interchangeable"

"Wage Gap"


And the real reason femtards can never, ever STFU about "muh wage gap" *even* when it's been comprehensively debunked over and over and over again in front of their eyes and anyone with a shred of decency would too embarrassed not to concede, is that they aren't in the least bit interested in truth, only in propogating their ideology.

Like Goebbels they know that, "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

As long as they keep repeating it over and over - especially in the media - the lie will gain currency and that will empower their mission to dominate.

Blogger bagginz February 10, 2018 12:21 AM  

continued...


>even letting them call it a wage gap gives them a victory, as it lets them claim an unearned moral high ground. This should be challenged at every opportunity and redefined as an earnings gap.<

Agreed.



>most feminists deep down know all this. Sure the blue haired grunts in the gender studies programs honestly believe that there are a bunch of business out there that set wage rates for women at a substantial discount compared to men. But the feminist leaders know better. And they also know that the only way the wage gap as they define it could ever be equalized would be to pay women a substantially higher wage than men, or to impose government payouts to women to compensate for the difference. And that is what they really want...more money and more power for women at the expense of men, so as to further divide the sexes and sow resentment and anger. Fundamentally its an attack on the family and heterosexual marriage.<


Indeed. Well put.



*if anyone is interested I can dig out recent studies by the British Psychological Association and also a Harvard study that concluded that when violence does occur in relationships, it is at least reciprocal, if not more commonly perpetrated by women.

Blogger wreckage February 10, 2018 2:46 AM  

@20, fire away. I'd love to read those.

Blogger Ryan G February 10, 2018 7:27 AM  

Fighting the 'wage gap' myth with facts isn't useful in most cases because the facts are not the basis of Feminists' ire. Rather, it extends from a quasi-religious belief in the equality of all people. This belief asserts that everyone is equally talented, equally hard working, equally-everything. From that assertion, it is "logical" to conclude that differences in outcomes between groups must be the result of chicanery.

The funny thing is that these exact same people ALSO push things that make their labor more expensive for employers (e.g. Pregnancy leave).

Blogger darrenl February 10, 2018 7:55 AM  

This is good timing, Vox. Feedback not only solicited on what follows, but welcome from either Vox or others. Thanks

Background:

One of my girls goes to an all girls private french school in the city here. Yesterday, I get this email from the Principle:

"Good afternoon / Bonjour

I am sharing with you an article ( from a French newspaper) that I found particularly interesting

Je partage avec vous cet article que je trouve particulièrement intéressant


http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2017/11/08/les-filles-poussees-vers-des-jobs-moins-payes"


I was not amused. My response:

"Good Evening,

Also interesting, and for your consideration (...one of many..):

http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/ubers-pay-gap-disproves-pay-discrimination-myth/

As an senior educator of young women, I hope your focus is on fostering and encouraging the interests of our girls, and more importantly: respecting their free choices. I certainly hope this respect of choice is still the tradition at , because I'll have a problem if it isn't.

Lastly: I usually keep my nose out of school memos and correspondence (I just pay the bills), so the breaking of my now 5 year silence should serve to show how seriously I take any hint that my daughter will be told to be or do anything other than what she would be interested in doing as a career in the future...including things judged as undesirable (aka "stereotypical") by this article.

Please continue to keep me informed on the goings on at the school as I genuinely love reading updates, but I do not want to see questionable articles like this sent out in the future.

Thank you,
"

I'm expecting either cowardice or doubling down (...but I repeat myself...). Any other links are appreciated, but not necessary as Google is easy.

Blogger darrenl February 10, 2018 7:57 AM  

Some stuff missing above...like name of school and my real name. Apparently, the characters I used to hide those just got filtered out...but I think you all can get the gist of things.

Blogger Hen February 10, 2018 10:19 AM  

In the feminist movement, truth was an early casualty. I have daughters and relatives who subscribe to the litany of feminist falsehoods. Over time I have come to realize that equality isn't their goal -- superiority is, and the objective of the superiority is to defeat men, particularly white men, who are accused of having all the power, yada yada. Then, having achieved that, defeat God, who made men. Any more I just leave the company of these people. They are most welcome to make their own country well away from me. Sometimes I wonder how to facilitate their going. As with the immigrant class who demonstrate and burn flags while demanding more, I'd like just to incentivize their leaving (as they have incentivized my leaving).

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 10, 2018 10:33 AM  

@14 "Women want the big bucks, but, by and large, are absolutely unwilling to show the sort of dedication, and put up with the levels of aggravation needed to do so."

Most women don't even know those are required! They don't see the men working longer, harder hours; or if they do, they just assume it's "normal" (uh, cause it is!) and so they don't even see it!

In the "Five Love Languages" (Chapman): one of the ways you might preferentially 'perceive' being loved is Acts of Service: the person (either) whose main love language this is will 'show love" by washing the car or mowing the lawn, or by cleaning the house or picking up the dry cleaning. That is, because they feel loved when their partner 'does stuff' for them; (and quite unfortunately) they unconsciously believe it also "feels like love" to their partner.

Yes, of course, there are preponderances of one or t'other sex falling into each type of love language. Women, generally, prefer Words; men prefer Acts. So a man feels virtuous and is sure he is showing his wife (and that she will see) his love for her by him mowing the lawn.

As I used to exaggerate on my advice list: there isn't a woman on the planet who 'feels loved' when he mows the lawn... and so he is nonplussed (or offended!) when she says: "you never tell me you love me!" (Service v. Words. He DOES, she wants to hear.)

Chapman recommends determining your partner's language; which will likely differ from yours and practice giving to your partner in the language they feel loved by! Uncomfortable, seems kinda idiotic -- but my husband mowing the lawn never "felt" like love. I recognized it intellectually, but boy it wasn't satisfying!

So, (many/most) women don't even see that the men around them are working harder, and doing yuckier jobs. And since those jobs get paid better, it must be patriarchy (back to blind Cathy Newman). (They do see all the bennies that go with that harder work,just not the harder work!)

Blogger Bill Halsey February 10, 2018 2:19 PM  

@21

Here ya go:

The British Psychological Association study: https://www.coursehero.com/file/p2h4t1nc/A-2014-study-of-intimate-partner-violence-by-the-British-Psychological-Society/


References to the Harvard study: http://www.newscastmedia.com/harvard_study.htm

http://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

The actual Harvard study paper: https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/In_Brief_Domestic_violence_Not_always_one_sided

And if you really want to dig into the subject, there's literally hundreds of studies that completely contradict the femtard narrative:

A link to" "286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600."

http://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm











Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club February 10, 2018 5:17 PM  

No matter what the subject, even the most ardent feminists can't help but resort to begging men to save them from their own bad choices.

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