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Wednesday, February 14, 2018

Florida school shooting

Current death toll is at 17:
Seventeen people were shot to death and several others wounded Wednesday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, in a horrific episode of school violence that ended with the arrest of a former student.... Broward Sheriff Scott Israel said 17 people were killed, including both students and adults, with two killed outside the school, one in the street, 12 inside the school and two dying from their wounds at the hospital.

The suspect was identified as Nikolas Cruz, 19, a former student. He used an AR-15 rifle and multiple magazines, the sheriff said. Investigators have begun analyzing Cruz’s social media accounts, which the sheriff said contained material that was “very, very disturbing.”
The media will focus on the AR-15, of course. But the more significant questions is: what mind-altering drugs was he on?

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70 Comments:

Blogger Ben Cohen February 14, 2018 7:10 PM  

How come the taking of drugs like Prozac is never taken into consideration? Are the cops paid off by the pharma companies?

Blogger Ingot9455 February 14, 2018 7:11 PM  

And why was he never involuntarily committed so that he'd be disallowed from firearms ownership?

Blogger Dave W. February 14, 2018 7:15 PM  

That's about 5-10 minutes away from my home. Very wealthy neighborhood. This guy had been previously expelled from the school for threatening other students and been banned from campus. He knew his way around the school, needless to say. Some of the local news media is already pontificating about the AR-15 as you might expect them to.

Blogger Guitar Man February 14, 2018 7:17 PM  

Member of resistance groups: https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/963927863794831363

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 14, 2018 7:25 PM  

Pamela Gellar posts:
GRAPHIC VIDEO: Islamic/Antifa links of Florida Mass Shooter was CAIR Follower, "Allahu Akbar"

https://twitter.com/PamelaGeller/status/963928122956554240

Blogger Koanic February 14, 2018 7:25 PM  

Cruz lost control. Mexican santa muerta makes good.

Blogger Lovekraft February 14, 2018 7:31 PM  

Ownership. Or lack thereof, is a strong motivator for someone to abandon all sense of purpose and compassion. Take away a young man's thoughts and replace them with garbage music, tell him he'll have to slave away at minimum wage while the douchebags get the girlfriend/wives, tell him his traditions/religion are (in the post-modernist world) exploitative etc etc etc.

My simple inquiry goes beyond race, religion to what was done to crush his sense of belonging. Being hopped up on drugs like adderol would fit into this scenario.

Then there are the outcasts whose problems run so deep that the more love you give them, the more they hate. But the more they are ignored, the hate also festers. It goes beyond bullying and rejection. A primal masculine warrior urge that has to be redirected and respected rather than looked down upon.

Blogger pyrrhus February 14, 2018 7:46 PM  

Reportedly the shooter gained access because the school was having a drill, maybe a fire drill...a common pattern

Blogger pyrrhus February 14, 2018 7:55 PM  

Student apparently radicalized muslim per social media, though possibly false flag...

Blogger Lazarus February 14, 2018 8:06 PM  

@3

So the school actually exists?

Blogger Dave W. February 14, 2018 8:15 PM  

@10

Heh, yes, it's real. I've actually been there once when I had to take my daughter to a school orchestra event (she went to a nearby high school). Relatively new, built in 1990. Wealthy, mostly upperclass neighborhood.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 14, 2018 8:21 PM  

Islam or SSRI drugs.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 14, 2018 8:23 PM  

Gateway Pundit screen shot his IG accounts one account had a picture of him with a Maga hat and of killing toads another account was Islamic extremist BS. So yeah a nutter on meds

Blogger Looking Glass February 14, 2018 8:24 PM  

@12 Ominous Cowherd

Early reports look like it could be both, along with general Leftism and a history of violence. Odds are he was on meth during the shooting.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 14, 2018 8:28 PM  

He looks like antifa from some of the photos

Blogger Dave W. February 14, 2018 8:38 PM  

@14

That would make sense. Right after they arrested him, they called an ambulance, quickly took him to a nearby hospital, then directly to the Broward Sheriff's HQ after a very short stay. (The County Jail is NOT at the HQ.) Probably drawing blood for testing.

Blogger tuberman February 14, 2018 8:42 PM  

He identified with "Resistance" and Antifa, and he communicated with some Syrian activist site. Whether this was all just for fame, don't care, as he identified with the enemy, so that should be shouted to the rooftops.

Blogger Lovekraft February 14, 2018 8:50 PM  

Over at reddit popular (I know, SJW cesspool). Oh man, the triggering. Linked the Gellar item above, and am getting the usual. People touting the ban guns spiel.

Trying to even propose that this guy may be a radical antifa leftist, or blaming guns is sending people into denial and anger.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 14, 2018 8:52 PM  

@7

Besides the medication issue, I've long thought that these things have something to do with the pacification of boyhood:

Boys want to play-fight, real-fight, etc. But we don't let them anymore.

Now, take a kid who gets bullied. Something in a lot of them wants to fight back. But if he does, both parties will be punished, even if he fights in self-defense.

That is some serious mind-f***ery to some poor kid tranquilized on ADHD meds.

We don't let boys be boys anymore. We drug them. We punish them. We train them to be girls.

We tells the girls the boys are hold them back. We try to make them act more like boys, more aggressive, more sexual. We force them into STEM, while making school harder for the boys.

As VD says, home-school or die. Good advice on man levels.

Blogger Andrew February 14, 2018 8:55 PM  

Latest Q drop from 15 mins. ago:

Where are the tweets from HRC, BC, CC, Hussein, others re: the shooting today?

Do you believe in EVIL?

Make no mistake, they will all PAY THE PRICE.

Q

Blogger AdognamedOp February 14, 2018 8:56 PM  

FTA:"Investigators have begun analyzing Cruz’s social media accounts, which the sheriff said contained material that was “very, very disturbing.”"

Yeah, sure, just as disturbing as steel projectiles ripping through your vitals.
The anti-gun propaganda after mass shootings has had negative results for the commies. Looks like they're going to double down the softer target.

Blogger Gloriam Deo February 14, 2018 8:58 PM  

/pol/ has pictures of this guy in antifa garb. the fact that he was hispanic was also quickly discovered. his mental state is (as far as I know) unknown.

I am looking forward to being able to say that this was a mentally unstable, leftish hispanic who shot up a school.

Blogger Gloriam Deo February 14, 2018 9:03 PM  

@8 after a fire drill at my college which had all the students funneled between two buildings with a large access from the parking lot and little way out the back end except through the campus, I quickly found alternate fire escape routes. We were sitting ducks for an attack. All the shooter would have to do is have one guy blocking the small end and a van pull up and shoot into the crowd from the large opening. no one could go anywhere or do anything about it.

now when the alarm goes off (about once a month. mostly non white and it always goes off when there is a round of tests for the low level STEM classes everyone has to take. someone is pulling it.) i leave out a side door which puts me 100 meters from the berm which blocks road noise from getting into the campus.

Blogger Lovekraft February 14, 2018 9:04 PM  

@19:

this is the direction I am trying to take the reddit discussion. I hope VD expands upon his take on this matter. Something like this can easily be turned into an attack on anyone alt-right.

Blogger tuberman February 14, 2018 9:04 PM  

Andrew wrote:Latest Q drop from 15 mins. ago:

Where are the tweets from HRC, BC, CC, Hussein, others re: the shooting today?

Do you believe in EVIL?

Make no mistake, they will all PAY THE PRICE.

Q


Yeah, something is going on there. Will wait and see.

Blogger Looking Glass February 14, 2018 9:06 PM  

@19 Emmett Fitz-Hume

The reality is gun violence is almost back to 1960s levels, it's just that the shootings are getting bigger because of active propaganda campaigns out of the war zones. The evil can find some basic information about planning an attack in ways they simply couldn't before 2005.

However, most school shootings are actually Suicide Attempts. That's where the SSRIs and the like come into play. They don't cause the Suicidal Ideation, they actually suppress it until such time that it goes far further. (No one talks about the number of Suicide By Cop that happens, but it's the same thing.) For anyone under 35, the highest optical way of slaking the lust for attention that's tied to the Suicidal Ideation, thus the idea drives them to go out with attacking a school. All of the school attacks really are because we know the names Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.

Modern "education" definitely messes boys up (seriously, home school your children), but that isn't the biggest driver of the school shootings. It should have started in the 80s if that was true. It's the combination of psychotropic medications and the "glamour" available to commit Murder-Suicide. Evil is Evil, but the expressions can get very different.

Blogger Darth Spanky February 14, 2018 9:08 PM  

Lost soul, misguided youth, mental defective, pilled-up problem child? I don't know, and frankly I don't care. He was a rabid dog and should have been dealt with accordingly (before today if possible, today if not).
Gun control won't fix this sort of crap. What might have changed the outcome would have been a good person, or two or twenty, who had the tools to fight back. That tool is a gun in the hands of a person willing and able to use it. CCL for teachers is the only way I can see to stop, or mitigate, this sort of thing.

Blogger bw February 14, 2018 9:18 PM  

How long has his family been in the country?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 14, 2018 9:24 PM  

@27

Same thing I was thinking. Is this a Dreamer ?

Blogger Aeoli February 14, 2018 9:59 PM  

AR-15 suggests sketchy gun grabbers at work. There is fake news afoot.

Blogger J Van Stry February 14, 2018 10:38 PM  

He was a socialist / communist / registered democrat and 'resist' member.

Blogger kurt9 February 14, 2018 11:10 PM  

But the more significant questions is: what mind-altering drugs was he on?

Most likely SSRI's. The key will be when the pharmaceutical makers get a court to seal the shooter's medical record (which has probably already been done).

As I was telling my wife tonight, the liberals are disingenuous to blame this on rampant gun ownership. Many more people owned guns where I grew up in the 70's and 80's than today. Yet these school and workplace shootings were utterly non-existant. What's changed is not the number of privately owned guns (which has likely declined in the past 35 years) but the huge increase of medicating boys with psych drugs to make them behave more like girls so that they are more tractable to teachers and administrators. It is this practice that is to be squarely blamed for the increase in mass shootings.

Blogger Teri February 14, 2018 11:10 PM  

I don't know that it's true but I read he was adopted with both adopted parents dead. The mom supposedly died in Nov. last year. I'm trying to find the source of that story.

Blogger Valtandor Nought February 14, 2018 11:12 PM  

The media will focus on the AR-15, of course. But the more significant questions is: what mind-altering drugs was he on?

The alarming thing here is the claim that it's better to have a nation of toddlers - crazy, volatile, but ultimately impotent - than to have a nation of strong but self-controlled grown-ups.

Blogger kurt9 February 14, 2018 11:13 PM  

One of the causes of the increased medication of boys with psych drugs is the fact that so many of them ARE damaged by the massive increase in vaccination since the mid 90's. Do realize that vaccines are the ONLY product manufactured and sold in the U.S. where the manufacturers enjoy complete immunity from product liability.

Blogger Bill Quick February 14, 2018 11:14 PM  

What drugs?

Islam, perhaps?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 14, 2018 11:16 PM  

"the more significant questions is: what mind-altering drugs was he on?"

Let me take a stab: Antidepressants and anti-psychotics. Also probably something for ADHD.

On the purely psychological side of things: Islam.

Blogger weka February 14, 2018 11:53 PM  

@34. Islam and Antifa trump Serotonin reuptake inhibitors and atypicals. More likely to disinhibit on stimulants or benzodiazepines. But far more likely if smoking some of the THC synthetic analogues or PCP.

We simply don't know that yet.

Blogger tuberman February 14, 2018 11:53 PM  

Odd connections being made. Libtard town, Jewish Sheriff, Black Super of school that came from Chicago, and his brother works at Loop Capital (the major money laundering company for the NWO). Hmm?? FF?

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 14, 2018 11:53 PM  

And supposedly another registered Democratic voter, hmmm pattern I sense

OpenID simplytimothy February 14, 2018 11:59 PM  

OT: saw 1488 graffiti in public toilet stall.

Blogger TrueBag PipeRock February 15, 2018 12:57 AM  

Mind altering drugs? Every message you get is ghetto thug life. Even in Rio Carnival they celebrate gun toting favela gangsters. Obama painter shows white girls with heads chopped off. Tarantino, Weinstein, Django, 12 years, eVery pop culture show glamorizes being a punk and a thug and violent. You'd have to be deranged and on drugs to tune out the messages being bombarded into the public. The "hate whitey sentiment" as Obama's artist explains. Katie Griffin with decapitated Heads. HIllary Clinton with her spirit cooking artist. Drugs? Mind altering? Yes, maybe, but the messages sent by the zio media are crystal clear.

Blogger Pax_Romana February 15, 2018 1:37 AM  

I was at work when this happened. One of my coworkers (reading Ta-Nehsi Coates, so...) was surprised when I read about the event from my phone (Drudge Report), and how he was arrested. She was surprised the cops didn't shoot him.

"Well, he didn't shoot at the cops, he surrendered, it looks like."
"Well, of course, it's because he's white."
"No. He's not. His name is Cruz. He's not white."

Silence followed as her world's narrative collapsed into a black hole.

I expect to be fired tomorrow.

Blogger Harambe February 15, 2018 2:28 AM  

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but this is very convenient seeing as just the other day we were saying at AR's are hardly ever used in a mass shooting.

I really hope President Trump succeeds in draining the swamp. The deep state is playing chess with real people's lives.

Blogger GoldRush Apple February 15, 2018 3:38 AM  

@ 27 and 28: Not a dreamer I believe. He and his brother were adopted in America; no news of who his biological parents where. Foster parents died and then moved in with foster parents' relatives. Young man has a history of disturbed behavior and had a fascination with guns and knives (instagram account). Was expelled from school to later enter an "at risk" school. Caused trouble in elementary school as well. Basically a troubled person that did enough to get into trouble but not enough to be locked up and put away from society.

As for the rest of the posts here: yikes. At least do your research before jumping into the usual talking points.

Blogger Sherwood family February 15, 2018 3:56 AM  

As I have explained to many friends and colleagues, many of them foreign: this is not a weapons issue. It is a cultural issue.

Where I lived as a child in Southwest Missouri, high school students drove to school with gun racks and guns in their trucks. I don't know if that was even legal but it was certainly ubiquitous. Nobody was shooting anybody else. The guns were there for hunting/target shooting, etc.

Ironically, the first instance I remember hearing about a school shooting with this kind of a profile was the Dunblane shooting in Scotland in 1996. That was before Columbine.

Since that time something in U.S. culture has gone haywire.

These events are beginning to resemble the Indonesian/Malaysian practice of "running amok" which was so astounding to white explorers of the region during the time of Captain Cook. It is what psychologists call a "culture bound syndrome."

Culture bound syndromes take various forms from the "hikikomori" in Japan to the "wendigo psychosis" of certain Algonquian peoples. Often they have no analogue in other cultures.

Something has gone wrong in American culture that produces these kind of events and it isn't mere access to guns, contrary to all the hand wringing of those who think the evil AR-15 makes people do this.

Again, were that the case this kind of thing would have been happening all the time prior to the 1980s. It wasn't. Guns were everywhere and people were not shooting each other up that way outside of gangland murders and the episode with Charles Whitman at the University of Texas. In Whitman's case an autopsy revealed that there was a tumor, an astrocytoma, which may have been part of the etiology behind his murderous rampage.

Whatever the reason, trying to treat it by getting all the guns is missing the point.

OpenID markstoval February 15, 2018 4:52 AM  

I read a lot of interesting comments on this thread; many very good.

I have a plan to do away with public schools. If we could do that in just one state we might win the war with the evil left. (hell, worth a try anyway)

A state could close all public schools and make each one a private school. Just give the property to the staff with each holding an equal share that they could sell off or keep. The teachers would go for that! Some would be sold to a large company, most would not.

The state would then get out of the education business entirely. No laws at all concerning how a school is run.

I would try to get the middle schools to teach von Mises' "Human Action" as the base of the economics curriculum. :-)

But really, we need to do semi-home-schooling using the internet to provide the content that Momma would oversee with her kids. You can already do most all classes with "Florida Virtual School" run by the Florida DOE.

My Catholic school had a kid stay home for 2 years and study using Khan Academy and other resources. He is back with us now and he is just fine for the experience. (high IQ kid)

It is going to be damn hard to rebuild our society if we don't do something about the Marxist indoctrination of the young by the public schools.

Blogger APL February 15, 2018 5:41 AM  

@27 & 28 That's the first thing that occurred to me.

@42 "He and his brother were adopted in America; no news of who his biological parents where. "

Doesn't mean he wasn't a Dreamer. Just that he was adopted by a family called Cruz.

He may have had similar sort of issues adjusting to the culture as Eliot Rodger, with a similar outcome.

Blogger Rabbi B February 15, 2018 6:48 AM  

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Blogger Rabbi B February 15, 2018 6:50 AM  

But the more significant questions is: what mind-altering drugs was he on?

Roger Cruz died over a decade ago and Lynda struggled with the boys, said Barbara Kumbatovich, a former sister-in-law. “She did the best she could. They were adopted and had some emotional issues,” she said.

Kumbatovich said she believed Nikolas Cruz was on medication to deal with his emotional fragility. “She was struggling with Nikolas the last couple years,” she said.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200126034.html

Blogger Sherwood family February 15, 2018 7:11 AM  

I repeat what has already been said a million times: homeschool your children! If you haven't already, get your kids out of these propagandizing, gender-bending, devil-worshiping, state-subsidized shooting galleries.

Blogger Skyler the Weird February 15, 2018 7:18 AM  

He like All the rest since the eighties wanted his name and face on CNN. We all know who he is now.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 15, 2018 7:22 AM  

@26

I'm not going to dispute much of your comment except to say that in this case, he surrendered without attempting suicide by cop or anyone else.

Blogger exfarmkid February 15, 2018 8:02 AM  

Rabbi B, thanks for the link. Here is the most relevant paragraph in the Miami Herald article:

Kumbatovich said she believed Nikolas Cruz was on medication to deal with his emotional fragility. “She was struggling with Nikolas the last couple years,” she said.

Blogger James Dixon February 15, 2018 8:21 AM  

> Since that time something in U.S. culture has gone haywire.

I believe the schools started using drugs in the kids in the 1990's.

As Vox says, home school or die. What do all the school shootings have in common? Schools. Ask your favorite liberal how many more children must die before we ban public schools. The reaction will be worth it.

Blogger Ned February 15, 2018 8:40 AM  

But then there's this from an odd website: http://82.221.129.208/.zg5.html

Scroll down to the news video. IMO, as usual, we don't know what really happened.

Blogger tuberman February 15, 2018 8:53 AM  

After digging information on the Sheriff's department, and who runs the school, I would not trust any current Main Stream "research" on what happened.

Some weird quirks there. Why AR-15? It's always AR-15s, and that rolls straight into Leftist Narrative, so coincidence?

The school Superintendent's (Robert Runcie) connections with his brother is suspect... James Runcie was US Department of Education's COO, and resigned on May 2017 after being called for testimony over this: $6B in Improper Student Aid Payments Found at US Education Department. FILE - The U.S. Department of Education in Washington, D.C. Members of Congress criticized the Education Department on Thursday over $6 billion in improper payments made as part of federal student aid programs.

Nicholas Cruz’s groups on Facebook:
CAIR
Latino Muslims
Freedom for Gaza
BLM
Refuse Facism
Adeel Ahmed for President
Queer Palestinian Empowerment Network QPEN

Drugs could equal MK control drugs.

Blogger Purge187 February 15, 2018 9:05 AM  

"But the more significant questions is: what mind-altering drugs was he on?"

Actually, the more significant question is: how could this have possibly happened to begin with? I mean, his last name's Cruz, and it's only cis White males who do bad things, right?

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim February 15, 2018 9:40 AM  

I've got a friend in the MS FBI field office. They seem to be more concerned with taking Christmas trees and awarding medals for "muh diversity" than following up on threats.

Blogger Dave W. February 15, 2018 9:43 AM  

He was adopted as a child by a couple named Cruz. No idea yet what his actual ethnicity is yet.

Blogger Looking Glass February 15, 2018 9:49 AM  

@53 tuberman

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/nikolas-cruz-reported-fbi-potential-school-shooter-september-screenshot-threat/

You know, we have to start asking if the FBI reports are actually the reason they always knew about the person. They're "known wolves" because someone has access to the FBI's report database and uses it to find agents to work for them. Willing or not.

As to the drugs question: probably all of them over the years, it would seem.

Blogger Chris Mallory February 15, 2018 10:15 AM  

tuberman wrote:Why AR-15? It's always AR-15s, and that rolls straight into Leftist Narrative, so coincidence?

Probably because it is the most popular centerfire rifle in the US today. People are familiar with it.
This guy supposedly spent time in JROTC, so he might have had some exposure to the platform there.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 15, 2018 10:51 AM  

@38 simplytimothy
OT: saw 1488 graffiti in public toilet stall.
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Unless you saw a poop swastika, this is fake news.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 15, 2018 10:53 AM  

@40 Pax_Romana
I expect to be fired tomorrow.
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Make the rubble bounce - SJWAL

Blogger Were-Puppy February 15, 2018 10:56 AM  

@42 GoldRush Apple

@ 27 and 28: Not a dreamer I believe. He and his brother were adopted in America; no news of who his biological parents where. Foster parents died and then moved in with foster parents' relatives. Young man has a history of disturbed behavior and had a fascination with guns and knives (instagram account). Was expelled from school to later enter an "at risk" school. Caused trouble in elementary school as well. Basically a troubled person that did enough to get into trouble but not enough to be locked up and put away from society.
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That's really a sad story. And a sticky situation. Since then I've also heard that his bio mom died recently too.

As for the rest of the posts here: yikes. At least do your research before jumping into the usual talking points.
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I am so guilty of doing this, have been trying for a few months to stop, learn and listen before spouting off.

Blogger Jack Amok February 15, 2018 11:26 AM  

Some weird quirks there. Why AR-15? It's always AR-15s, and that rolls straight into Leftist Narrative, so coincidence?

How many teenagers can afford a PS90?

Blogger Were-Puppy February 15, 2018 11:38 AM  

The interview with the girl who was walking with the suspect when the shooting had already begun...

http://www.northcrane.com/2018/02/multiple-eye-witnesses-confirm-multiple-shooters-involved-florida-massacre/

Blogger Danby February 15, 2018 1:38 PM  

James Dixon wrote:I believe the schools started using drugs in the kids in the 1990's.
In the 1970's. Ritalin was the drug of choice for boys who wouldn't sit quietly with their hands in their laps. That's when the Fed government started giving bonuses to schools based on the number of "disabled" (read :medicated") kids they had enrolled.

Blogger weka February 15, 2018 3:23 PM  

@64. Reason #3 I am not a child psychiatrist. Teachers and psychologists demanding on their Tanner score result that little Johnny gets methylphenidate. Little Johnny is acting up.

When I tell them that my old man, at 85, could control that class and control them because he was like Little Johnny when he was a kid I hear... crickets.

Most of these kids need exercise and a better diet.

For they swamp the clinics, and mean those who have real ADHD and benefit from therapy plus meds are. not. seen.

I hate disability funding for this. Keep it for those who. need. it.

Blogger Mark February 15, 2018 4:54 PM  

Something rotten in Denmark.
Fire drill, active shooter drill scheduled on Valentine's Day goes hot. Killed/wounded ratio way askew. FEds there immediately like usual (think LV). Great narrative shifter away from NSA attack/Russia Obama/Rice revelations.
Did the kid actually even do the shooting?

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