Wednesday, February 28, 2018

Mailvox: the BBC rebuttal

JS observes that the BBC is attempting to completely eradicate the real history of British invasions. At this rate, it won't be long before they're not only denying Bede, but trying to write Caesar's Commentaries out of the historical record as well.

After watching the first Voxiversity episode (well done, btw), by chance I watched a series of BBC documentaries on “Arthurian Britain” which argued the opposite occurred in Britain: that there were no invasions, that the native British gradually accepted the multicultural influences of continental culture with no disruption to daily life and they all lived happily ever after.

King Arthur's Britain  (Roman Britain Documentary)
I say “argued”, in fact the series is a transparent exercise in persuasive rhetoric verging at times on outright propaganda. I have been an amateur student of the period for many years and my own conclusion is that there is not enough available evidence to ever come to any conclusions. The best it can do is inspire fiction.

The well-spoken, avuncular presenter starts with a fully constructed straw-man; that current history insists Britain collapsed into the Dark Ages in 410 AD when the Roman legions left. Overnight, people fled the towns and returned to subsistence farming, forgot how to read and write while woodlands reclaimed the land. He then goes on to “prove” that this didn’t happen and that it was merely the interpretation of Victorian imperialists who saw themselves as Rome reborn and wanted to emphasise the dangers of removing imperial power.

Over the three episodes, various experts deconstruct and reinterpret the scant, available evidence to show that there was no Anglo-Saxon invasion and no population replacement. Genetic evidence showing that the indigenous people were driven west into Wales while continental people settled in the east was dismissed out of hand because one other study showed something different and the presenter himself didn’t believe it.

I’m no rhetorician but even I recognised the fallacious language used throughout e.g. “There is no evidence, but this is what must have happened,’ when it supported his thesis, “There is no evidence so it must be wrong,” when it didn’t as he insisted throughout that he was telling you the “real” story etc.

Bede’s “The Ecclesiastical History of the English People” was dismissed as a complete fiction by a young, female expert who concluded that there were never any Anglo-Saxons in Britain, consequently there never were any English and that Bede made the whole thing up and reinvented history.

The projection was palpable. The fact that they were arguing their central thesis, that everything we believe is wrong because previous generations interpreted the evidence to support their political biases, by overtly manipulating the evidence to support their own political bias seems to sail right over their heads. They state that there never was a pure British race (which the presenter paradoxically argues in support of half the time) and you can guess the final conclusion, can’t you?

“The real people of Britain AD did not only survive an influx of foreign influences but actually flourished because of it.”

Diversity is our strength!

It descends into farce at the end as former socialist politician, Robin Cook explains that Chicken Tikka Masala is the English national dish as it represents the rich, diverse people that the English have always been. Literally saying at one point, “… what makes Britain great, makes Britain strong is not purity, it is our diversity…” 

I understand you might not have time to watch the series but I think it could make an interesting “compare and contrast” exercise for the Voxiversity viewership.

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Blogger sykes.1 February 28, 2018 8:03 AM  

Actually, the BBC has been denying British history for some time. A few years ago they aired a "history" of Stonehenge in which there was no Celtic invasion and the entire history of the complex was due to the evolving culture of the original natives.

Blogger Antony February 28, 2018 8:28 AM  

The BBC's publication "Radio Times" - has their propagandist explanation for Blackwashing History ;

Blogger Looking Glass February 28, 2018 8:44 AM  

Given "intersectionality", I wonder if a Brit could file a formal complaint about the program, claiming it's anti-progressive with the right buzzwords.

On the bigger picture, there's one thing I've noticed about all of this over the last two years or so: We have to write our own histories. The Enemy knows that the easiest way to change a historic event is to lie about it after everyone is dead.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 28, 2018 8:48 AM  

That's amazing. A complete fraud. Certainly many medievalists will have a problem with such nonsense. There's no reason to doubt most of what Bede says. My understanding is that the genetic studies reveal actual genocide; the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes slaughtered the Romano-British wholesale.
So we have a chronicle, along with genetic evidence, that both coincide, yet this fool dismisses the evidence a priori. What a talented historian.

How did the tale of Beowulf spread to Britain, if the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes didn't bring it with them? For that matter, how the hell do these people get around the fact that English is a Germanic language, not a Celtic or Romance language?
When Pope St. Gregory the Great encountered the blond Anglo-Saxon slave boys, thought they resembled angels, and thus dispatched St. Augustine to convert them, why was that even necessary? The Romano-British were largely Christian, since they existed as part of the empire during its late, Christian phase. Is there some crazy reason why it's "Woden's day" today, and not some variant of "Dies Mercurii," or even "Dydd Mercher?"
Then there are the ship burials, like at Sutton Hoo, which are done in same manner as in Frisia and Denmark? Are we supposed to believe that the Romano-British Christians were burning widows of deceased men on ships filled with treasures for the afterlife?
How the hell fo they get past the fact that Frisian and English are so similar in vocabulary and structure? The Norse invasions of the ninth and tenth centuries destroyed much of both islands, so their thesis is confounded yet again. The Scottish Celtic word for an Englishman is "Sassenach," which is essentially "Saxon." Is that just a weird coincidence? Lastly, the Annals of Ulster describe the Angles and Saxons as invaders. Sure, they were all the way in Ireland, but they would have no doubt had access to news of what was happening in Britain.

Sorry for the rant, ha. It set me off. They are simply outright lying at this point. Disgusting. In also of Welsh ancestry, so it is doubly irritating.

Blogger James Dixon February 28, 2018 8:48 AM  

What was that rule again? Oh that's right: SJWs always lie.

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 28, 2018 8:51 AM  

Does BBC think the Normans did not invade, too?

"The Origins and Development of the English Language" is a linguistics book but it I read it for the history the linguistic changes trace in what became the English language. It is a textbook used at Masters level linguistics course ... my wife's.

The book states that a language is a dialect with a navy.

Blogger VD February 28, 2018 8:56 AM  

Does BBC think the Normans did not invade, too?

Give them time....

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 28, 2018 8:56 AM  

Why are leftists so obsessed with "purity?" We don't have to be pure to belong to a genetically-bounded population. I'm 1/8 Choctaw, yet ai'm white, look white, act white, etc. I don't have to be "pure" to be white. Not in the kind of extreme way they mean, where .01% of non-European blood means you have to destroy your ethnic identity.
There was an historian of the Late Roman Empire, Walter Goffart, who tried to do the same thing with the Germanic invaders of Italy, Gaul, Hispania, etc. That book is all about "accommodation," completely overlooking battles like tye one at Adrianople, were the Romans desperately attempted to check the Goths' advance.

That entire generation of historians are absolutely worthless.

Blogger Steve February 28, 2018 9:04 AM  

The BBC is the voice of London-based progressive manginas and lady-manginas, so their paraphilias - the EU, climate change, and oooh black guys! - are the fetishes of the impotent Guardian-reading coulrocracy which currently holds the media and political establishments in its iron, yet clammy and limp-wristed, grip.

What's slightly surprising to me (but shouldn't be) is the rapid decline of academia. It's not just Wimmins Studies, Sociology and climate science that have become (or always were) enthralled by political correctness and post-normal bottom fingering.

History, which you might think would be the province of boring, stuffy old men who insist on stultifying things like facts and evidence, is now swarming with social justice warriors eager to "prove" that ancient Britons, Romans, Vikings and whatnot were actually handi-capable transgendered black lesbian Muslims who left a snail trail of enlightenment across the barren wastelands of white male oppressiondom. And if you don't believe the Magna Carta was co-authored by grinning golliwogs and Oliver Cromwell's New Model Army included howling hijabed she-kebabs, then good day, sir!

Pol Pot, it would seem, did nothing wrong with regard to academics.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 28, 2018 9:07 AM  

The Old English poem "Ruin," is an Anglo-Saxon treatment of Roman ruins that surrounded them:

"Wondrous the stone of these ancient walls, shattered by fate.
The districts of the city have crumbled.
The work of giants of old lies decayed.
Roofs are long tumbled down,
The lofty towers are in ruins.
Frost covers the mortar,
Tiles weathered and fallen, undermined by age."

Translated into modern English obviously, but why describe those who came before as "giants," if not because of the greatness of the builders?
There's so must spin regarding the decline of the empire. Ward Perkins smashed the "transformation" myth. It was clearly a decline; the number coins in use dropped massively, as did the number of written sources (outside of the Eastern Empire, obviously), and the actual size of cattle declined significantly. By examining cow bones, archaeologists have proven that cows were shrinking, which I doubt was done on purpose to maximize "kawaii," lol.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 28, 2018 9:09 AM  

The humanities are being totally destroyed right before our eyes.

Blogger Archimedes2017 February 28, 2018 9:13 AM  

Here is new DNA analysis that the BBC missed

Blogger Tamaqua February 28, 2018 9:16 AM  

The Celts are simply awful at preserving their own cultural heartlands except for a few scraps of territory and half remembered holidays like Halloween. Francis Pryor, for all his Celtophilia, can't escape the fact that his romanticized version of a Celtic Britain essentially portrays the Celts as eternal victims, much like certain historians here in America romanticize the Native Americans as noble losers.

The thing Pryor and all the others are desperate to ignore vis a vis British history and the new invasion is this salient point-all the prior invasions or mass migrations into the island were one cultural or linguistic group of Europeans supplanting the previous one, but not entirely replacing one ethnic or racial group with an utterly alien one, as we are seeing today.

Diversity within the European tribes arguably could produce strength, but invasion by racial outsiders produces nothing but a zero sum game for dominance.

Blogger heyjames4 February 28, 2018 9:28 AM  

England has never been invaded in the past, there were no migrations only cultural transmissions. Therefore the current wave of migration is 1)not happening and 2)an unalloyed good thing. How to translate from dialect to rhetoric? An unassimilating migrant is a colonist?

Blogger Bad Attitude February 28, 2018 9:33 AM  

I’m surprised the BBC didn’t throw in a reference to early muslim influences.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 28, 2018 9:49 AM  

I saw an article recently where they are walking back the Cheddarman being black theory

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 28, 2018 9:50 AM  

The Vikings did nothing wrong.

(As a colonial derived mostly from British stock I hold some affection for the Vikings; (A) for introducing some hybrid vigor in my ancestry, but mostly (B) for sacking Paris.)

I use the BBC website as I follow some traditional British sports and teams but their editorialising of every story in a relentlessly partisan neoliberal fashion is sickening.

I would not trust them to sit the right way on a toilet seat. If you’re following the current invasion of Europe and Britain, you’ll understand.

Blogger Howard Stone February 28, 2018 10:03 AM  

Yeah, BBC is going the way of the “History” Channel as it continues to discredit itself favoring social justice and virtue signaling over historical accuracy and facts; it won’t be long before Giorgio A. Tsoukalos has his own show. Also, they need to do something about their perverted acronym.

Blogger Looking Glass February 28, 2018 10:06 AM  

@7 VD

It would appear they were rather happy about it happening, actually.

Blogger Arthur Isaac February 28, 2018 10:24 AM  

All the grave good archeology pointing to the "advance" of the Anglo-Saxon culture must be the devil then.

Blogger CarpeOro February 28, 2018 10:27 AM  

Huh. Here I was thinking the letters in BBC included one that had to do with Britain. Guess they really stand for Big Brother Corruption. As an avid reader of history I loathe the fabrication and replacement of facts.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 28, 2018 10:29 AM  

I doubt the BBC hacks believe their BS either, but since the conservatives always sperg out and they go off into facts and figures first then these hacks are allowed that tiny sliver of authority. Thanks conservatives

Blogger S1AL February 28, 2018 10:29 AM  

I'm sure the Welsh are completely on board with this. There is, after all, no lingering resentment between them and the (largely not-British) English. Same for the Scots.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 28, 2018 10:36 AM  

JS observes that the BBC is attempting to completely eradicate the real history of British invasions. At this rate, it won't be long before they're not only denying Bede, but trying to write Caesar's Commentaries out of the historical record as well.

Sky has beaten them to it.

Sky produced a series called Britannia, that is available on Amazon. It's about Claudius' invasion.

This snippet is from my review of it.

The Silly. Black Romans and Pixie Ninjas. Ninety pound Celtic women can beat the shit out of 250 pound heavily armored, combat hardened Roman Legionnaires. Did you know that? Of course you did. We are now building our national defense policy around this fantasy.

And if Black Romans are a surprise then you haven't been paying attention.

I will freely grant that there were sub-Saharan ethnic Negroes who were Roman citizens but there was no drive to get them on the citizenship rolls, it was freaking rare. Africa has been the Arabs one stop shop for slaves since forever but they stayed local. Long range transportation of slaves wasn't viable because of deaths in transit. A couple hundred miles was about it. But lets say that a sub-Saharan African gets imported to Rome for the games as an exotic. He survives his thirty bouts and is freed. At that point he is freedman with rather limited rights. Now his son would be a Roman citizen with full rights. and yes he could join the legions. However, it was pretty unusual.

There were three of them in this show. One of them with ritual African face scaring and he becomes the second in command of whole expedition.

Blogger Peaceful Poster February 28, 2018 10:47 AM  

The most accurate account of British history is in "Cuckservative", Chapter 2.

Blogger tuberman February 28, 2018 11:29 AM  

The conservatives in the UK are even worse then the conservatives in the USA, and the few who would like to see this all stopped are still very afraid, but most are in on the evil.

I will come back to this much later if I can, as I believe the World "Elite" scum from Hell are in the process of being "paused."

When Princess Diana ran, it was rumored she said, "Those people are monsters!" Hmm.

Anonymous Anonymous February 28, 2018 11:31 AM  


Resentment? The Scots.....

Blogger CarpeOro February 28, 2018 11:44 AM  

This all recalls to mind the really, really bad version of Robin Hood with Kevin Costner as lead. Remember Morgan Freeman (the black Muslim who helps him escape in the Holy Land at the start of the movie or something). Can anyone else picture an English longbow user being taught how to use a bow by someone from the Middle East where they have traditionally much weaker bows (no yew and not composite like the Mongol and other nomads used).

Watched a brief video for a Total War add on of little interest (Desert Kingdoms for TW:Rome2). Had an African woman with no armor defeating a larger white man with armor, both armed with sword and shield. Don't recall if it was a Roman, but does it really matter?

Blogger Paddy J S February 28, 2018 11:51 AM  

As I'm Irish I'd love to hear their answer too. I hope we haven't been hating the wrong people for centuries ha

Blogger Brick Hardslab February 28, 2018 12:22 PM  

There never was a single Robin Hood without a black man. Just wait until the digital version with Errol Flynn, Olivia Hamilton, and Denzel.

Blogger Marcus S Jones February 28, 2018 12:41 PM  

Wynn Lloyd wrote:For that matter, how the hell do these people get around the fact that English is a Germanic language, not a Celtic or Romance language?

Oh, one "expert" tried, something to do with the natives misinterpreting foreign words and mispronouncing them with funny accents then, as if by magic, Welsh becomes English.

Another expert argued that thousands of stone inscriptions prove that Britain remained highly literate after the Romans left (despite so few manuscripts remaining) because the inscriptions are actually in high latin if you sing them backwards, I kid you not.

Doubling down, he insisted that it was purer Latin than on the continent since the British language was not a romance language therefore the spoken language did not interfere with the preservation of the written language.

Anonymous Anonymous February 28, 2018 12:47 PM  

Francis Pryor's mini series on dark age Britain is certainly an egregious example of the 'Dark Ages? What Dark Ages?' school of history, but you can't blame the BBC. The show was made for Channel 4.

Blogger The Aardvark February 28, 2018 1:00 PM  

"1984" was meant to be a warning, not a template.

Blogger Ahärôwn February 28, 2018 1:07 PM  

BBC is interesting - I have several of their history magazines, which tend to be quite good, and have articles by various academics in their field of expertise. However, the convergence is already beginning there too - many of the essays about more recent historical events are from female writers, who overwhelmingly write about such things as female or black history, and that not very well. The other, more scholarly articles, like an excellent one on the Templars (They were the only professional military organization of their time, and they even received protection money from the Assassins), were exclusively written by male writers.

As far as the dark ages go, most historians have been calling it "The Early Medieval Period" for decades now, as a response to Enlightenment thinkers who thought of everything earlier than themselves as "dark," due to Christianity. Serious historians have been rejecting this argument. Of course, the poorer historians are now going overboard in the other direction, as usual.

I suspect that there are still many fine historians, such as my church history professor in university, who simply do not get any "air time," as it were, and are thus not praised to the skies, nor are their books used as textbooks, but they are out there. Familiarity with such good sources, such as "The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise," which Vox has commented on, will help us to rebut such ahistoricism when it arises.

Just my 2 cents.

Blogger Mr. Bee February 28, 2018 1:45 PM  

Democracy dies with pro-government propaganda channels funded by mandatory fees from the populace.

Blogger Ceerilan February 28, 2018 2:56 PM  

I used to think barbarians had to invade and burn buildings and books to create a gap in history. Then I heard about liberals.

Blogger Resident Moron™ February 28, 2018 3:04 PM  

Liberals are barbarians.

Blogger dienw February 28, 2018 3:16 PM  

Knowledge is power as the axiom goes; hence, lack of knowledge is weakness; but, possessing false knowledge is slavery. We now have esoteric knowledge and exoteric knowledge; the latter being misleading and false in its very nature; we have the initiates and the enslaved laity.

The nobility and royalty of England have genealogies and heraldry that trace their roots back thousands of years; even to the Israelite tribes; are they going to be made to disavow their ancestry discrediting their genealogies and ancient heraldry, or will they become part of the restricted, inner realm of real knowledge?

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 28, 2018 3:40 PM  

lol. Guilty as charged. Hopefully I'll be able to stay clear of those tendencies in the future.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 28, 2018 3:45 PM  

That show sounds absolutely ridiculous.
The Romans had a strongly negative view of blackness.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 28, 2018 3:53 PM  

So he just ignores the completely different vocabulary and grammar between Latin and English?
As for Welsh not impacting Latin, Middle English affected how medieval Englishmen communicated in Latin a good bit. Over time they adopted the same word order as in English.

How that show could pass muster, I don't want to know.....

Anonymous Anonymous February 28, 2018 5:31 PM  

@16 Search this blog for "New Scientist" and you'll find the reference.

Blogger Will Brown February 28, 2018 5:57 PM  

Any "historian" that doesn't take into account the work(s) of Henri Pirenne is simply wrong, at best, and possibly criminally so.

Blogger Marcus S Jones February 28, 2018 6:18 PM  

Wynn Lloyd wrote:So he just ignores the completely different vocabulary and grammar between Latin and English?

They don't ignore it but they come up with some mumbo-jumbo to explain it away. The relevant clip is linked below. If you have any idea how what they say makes sense, you're a better man than me Gunga Din:

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 28, 2018 6:29 PM  

@35 "Liberals are barbarians.

You insult barbarians!

Blogger Marcus S Jones February 28, 2018 6:32 PM  

Also, I've just realised that they never refer to "The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle" at all, "...the single most important historical source for the period in England between the departure of the Romans and the decades following the Norman conquest." according to Wikipedia

Blogger tweell February 28, 2018 8:10 PM  

"Thank you for watching the incredibly correct and truthful history of England, paid for by your mandatory contribution to the BBC. Now get back to work, Mohammed has just married again and needs a larger council house."

Blogger tz February 28, 2018 9:59 PM  

Robin Cook explains that Chicken Tikka Masala is the English national dish

Well, he is a "Cook". There is the old joke about bad food and bad teeth. But Shepherd's pie can be fairly good. And Crumpets with Tea. Or Scones.

But I only once ate at an English themed restaurant (and I've been around much of the USA), and haven't seen another and even that one was sold and replaced with an alligator meat themed version (though they apparently didn't use crock pots).

My fear is that Empire leaves a degenerative process that may take long but proves fatal.

At least the globalists will still have McDonald's, KFC, and Taco Bell. (And A&W, BK, and Hardees if fortune has a sense of humor or taste).

Blogger Wynn Lloyd February 28, 2018 11:03 PM  

Thanks. That's amazing
Do you think they really believe it, or do they know they're lying?

Blogger Marcus S Jones March 01, 2018 3:39 AM  

Wynn Lloyd wrote:Do you think they really believe it, or do they know they're lying?

Personally, I think she thinks that truth is subjective so if it had to happen in such a convoluted way to support her agenda then it's as good as any other answer. I also have the impression that she knows very little about the subject to be begin with and so she has fewer facts/established theories in her head to circumnavigate which reduces the cognitive dissonance to manageable levels.

It's a shame there will be no female academics around in the future to "explain" how English gradually mutated into Arabic through subtle, culture boosting influences from the Middle East.

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