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Sunday, February 04, 2018

Super Bowl open thread

Discuss amongst yourselves....

Breaking news from Minnesota: Black Lives Matter activists have chained themselves together to block the light rail lines going to the stadium. This should turn out well for them.

4th Quarter Update: Very smart coaching by Pederson. He's already burned four minutes on what he clearly intends to be the final drive. He's going to try to get it down to less than 20 seconds with no New England timeouts before he lets them score. The best way to beat Brady is to keep him off the field.

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Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit February 05, 2018 1:39 AM  

Parents and extended family said it was a very exciting game, except for the announcers. Apparently, the talking heads who report on these games are extremely prejudiced in favour of this or that team which makes it almost unbearable to listen to.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 05, 2018 2:13 AM  

The headlines are hilarious.

Everyone is so mesmerized by New England they are all saying Patriots Lose! Instead of Eagles Win!

Blogger Jack Amok February 05, 2018 2:42 AM  

By rule I mean runner vs receiver, not control of the ball.

Well, the "rule" is as old as the forward pass itself - if the ground knocks the ball out of a receiver's hands, it's an incomplete pass, but if it knocks it out of a runner's hands, it's a fumble.

The problem is Instant Replay has caused the NFL to confuse itself over when a receiver has finished receiving the ball and become a runner running with it. At one point, they said it was when he "made a football move" with the ball, but that didn't help because the refs were even less sure what a football move was than what a catch was.

Blogger Jack Amok February 05, 2018 2:43 AM  

Brady is the new Romo

I know you don't like the New England Tackling Faggots, but isn't that a bit harsh?

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 05, 2018 7:21 AM  

@202
Once possession is established, he is a runner. Once the ball breaks the plane, it is a touchdown. Once it is a touchdown, the play ends.
Similar to what happened in the hit that took Brandon out of the game. No targeting because Brandon became a runner aftervestablishing possession.

Anonymous Walter Oleg February 05, 2018 8:09 AM  

Nick Foles is an open Christian. Just watched his after game interview.

Anonymous Beauty of football February 05, 2018 8:15 AM  

Eagles played perfect football they really rose to the occasion and made all the big plays when they had to and it was just enough to beat the mighty Patriots who amazingly came back to take a 33-32 lead late while the Eagles were playing a perfect game. Great game!

Anonymous truth February 05, 2018 9:36 AM  

Well i dont see them prejudiced in favor of teams over other teams however in my view they sub consciously promote a corporate debt and govt debt culture which leads to horrible wealth disparities that they are on the right side of. Sometimes their subconscious promotion of that causes me to have to change the channel but the football action and the uniform colors and the fact that i have a son chips and dip brings me back to watching.

Anonymous Causal Lurker February 05, 2018 10:05 AM  

@197 Red, no; it was the "just finish the bottle" Scotch and distracting cross-talk from the family Raiders fan, who wanted to see New England die.

We all got what we wanted, including cabinet space for two bottles of Lagavulin.

Anonymous c matt February 05, 2018 10:21 AM  

Inviting the league champs to the WH is supposed to be a rah-rah America moment. If it is simply an opportunity for subversive grandstanding, dump it. Leftists is why we can't have nice things.

Blogger Jack Amok February 05, 2018 10:22 AM  

Once possession is established...

Right, that's the point. It's a simple rule that NFL refs have botched many times in recent years because the league tried to overlawyer what establishing possession, or completing the process of the catch, meant.

I think they got it right both times last night, but I've seen much more obvious catches overturned by replay.

Anonymous Renegade Master February 05, 2018 11:36 AM  

Speaking of the Super Bowl...

It feels like the game was at least somewhat scripted. In the year of #takeaknee and the attendant ratings decline of 20% or so, the NFL needed an exciting post-season to get the focus off the politics and back on the entertainment. The playoff games were mostly close and the Super Bowl even closer.

1) In spite of the fact that Philly supposedly has a great defense and New England's is pretty decent too, the defenses did essentially nothing, with no sacks until the very end of the game, no real pressure on the quarterbacks, no turnovers, and almost no punts. It was just a high-scoring offensive battle, by design.

2) This game had more offensive yards than any Super Bowl in history....before the third quarter had even ended.

3) The Patriots did a trick play with Brady as the receiver....a near miss...with Brady looking decidedly lethargic as he "just missed" the catch. Later in the game the Eagles executed almost the identical rare trick play, but quarterback Foles caught the ball...for a touchdown. America cheered.

4) The announcers made much of the "no sacks, how unusual" in the 5 minutes before the games first sack led to a very consequential Brady fumble and turnover.

5) Foles, the replacement quarterback this season for the Eagles, managed to thread the needle on all kinds of dangerous passes into heavy defensive coverage. The Patriots defense hardly ever tried to swat down any of those passes, although they were often close enough to at least try.

6) The game was a 1 point game with only a couple minutes to go. That's about as entertaining a finish as you can get. And the odds of such a close and entertaining game are slim. What a coincidence that the biggest game of the year was such a nail-biter.

7) Brady looked depressed the entire game. It's not easy for a champion to take a dive and be happy about it.

8) Most viewers wanted the Eagles to win. And the script gave them what they wanted. After last year's ridiculous "most amazing comeback of all time," the script-writers didn't want Philly to win in a comeback. Instead, Philly went up by 8 points at the very end, the announcers set the expectation that yes, it actually would be possible for the Patriots to take the game to overtime if Tom Brady did his usual game-winning drive in 1 minute then went for 2 points. The viewers all held their breath, and then cheered as Brady turned out to be human after all.

9) All-in-all, this game just happened to be exactly what the doctor ordered for a newly ratings-challenged NFL.

10) It's hard to know how much scripting there is or isn't. And even if there is some scripting, there's obviously lots of improvisation and unpredictability within it. But I find it increasingly hard to believe that the games are totally honest and above-board. The teams are owned by billionaires, they are monster entertainment franchises, and there's a lot of money at stake. Letting the games be played honestly would lead to far more blowouts and far less excitement. If there were 500 teams, the honest ones would start to call out the cheaters. But in a monopoly league with only 32 teams, the owners form a sort of cabal and seem to do what they think is in the best interest of the ratings and of the propaganda narrative. This year they overplayed the Narrative early, and had to turn hard toward prioritizing excitement and ratings at the end.

Any thoughts?

Anonymous closer to the truth February 05, 2018 11:47 AM  

Re 9:36 thats the gamma in me talking i cant fully shake off yet. First of all the wealth differences are minimal and reflect the work differences that created the wealth differences. The NFL folks are some mighty fine cool people.

Blogger Alexandros February 05, 2018 12:03 PM  

The Overgrown Hobbit wrote:Parents and extended family said it was a very exciting game, except for the announcers. Apparently, the talking heads who report on these games are extremely prejudiced in favour of this or that team which makes it almost unbearable to listen to.
We had the same experience. It got to the point where half the family left the room in a rage; we've already stopped watching most games and that was just yet another reason not to watch. Apparently, there is a legendary way to setup the audio so you drown out *just* the announcers; every time I try it, it doesn't seem to work. It's almost as if they want to force you to listen to those jack offs.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 05, 2018 12:43 PM  

"Any thoughts?"

I think I like whiskey.

"Brady looked depressed the entire game. " Brady looks that way any time they lose, sometimes even when they win.

It took him a while to get into his groove, and I don't think he was 100% at any point in the game. The AFC championship was a better game for him.

Nick Foles played close to a perfect game, if such a thing exists. Didn't he do well in the playoffs for the Eagles a few years ago? I think they lost, but he had a good game as a back-up. Could be mis-remembering.


Anonymous Beauty of football February 05, 2018 1:02 PM  

When i used to watch every football game 15+ years ago the rule was - the ground cant cause a fumble- ... I didnt think that rule changed. Watching super bowl 52 and listening to the normally excellent Collinsworth and Michaels question what in my mind was a clear touchdown i was thinking - guys the ground cant cause a fumble when he dove and the ball hit the end zone thats a td it doesnt matter if it came loose then.

Anonymous patrick kelly February 05, 2018 2:18 PM  

They weren't debating whether it was a fumble.

Read some discussion above.

Blogger Anthony February 05, 2018 2:54 PM  

But the Patriots won the popular vote:

Total yards
PHI. 538
NE, 613

Blogger JaimeInTexas February 05, 2018 3:07 PM  

The pass to Brady was high. Brady could not stretch his arms. Or, did not know how to.

The pass to Files was near perfect.

Anonymous beauty of football February 06, 2018 4:15 PM  

They weren't debating whether it was a fumble.


that's right I guess they were debating whether he had established possession, not whether it was a fumble but it was pretty clear that he had established possession at the 5 yard line....

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