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Monday, February 26, 2018

The Parkland narrative unravels further

In addition to the one four Broward County deputies who were sitting on their hands rather than intervene in the recent school shooting, eyewitness reports are increasingly disproving every aspect of the Official Story. Why, for example, was the son of a police officer wearing a bulletproof vest during the attack?
In the classroom where Mackenzie Hill had been hiding, police broke through the door. As the officers were guiding students out, they noticed something odd: One of the students had put on a bulletproof vest. The student said he'd been given the vest by his father, a police officer. Even in the safest city in Florida, he'd brought it to school with him, just in case.
Just in case. Right. Occam's Razor dictates that the father knew something was happening that day, and had his suspicions that the scheduled "drill" was there to cover something more ominous. Such as the attack by the real shooter, who was probably the reason that the Broward County deputies were ordered to stand down.
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School teacher Stacy Lippel was grazed by a hot bullet which left the chamber of the shooter’s gun as she closed the door to her classroom after letting a number of students file into what would presumably be safety. However, nothing could have prepared the teacher for what she was to witness next.

“I suddenly saw the shooter about twenty feet in front of me standing at the end of the hallway actively shooting down the hallway, just a barrage of bullets, and I’m staring at him thinking why are the police here,this is strange because he’s in full metal garb, helmet, face mask, bulletproof armor, shooting this rifle that I’ve never seen before,” Lippel told Good Morning America last Wednesday.

The brave teacher said she told fellow Stoneman Douglas H.S. teacher Scott Beigel, 35, to get back in his room just before the shooter fired a number of rounds into his room killing him and other students.

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me to learn that Cruz's AR-15 was never even fired. And frankly, this false flag appears to have been so ineptly staged that it also wouldn't be a surprise to be informed that the ballistics eventually prove the rounds that were fired at the school were neither .223 Remington nor 5.56×45mm NATO. Which may be the reason why the school is being demolished.

Gun experts, what rifle or carbine that is standard issue for the Florida police fires .223 Remington or 5.56x45mm cartridges? I mean, one would naturally assume that whoever staged the false flag would be competent enough to use ammunition that is AR-15 compatible, but then, as Q informs us, these people are stupid.

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196 Comments:

Blogger AnvilTiger February 26, 2018 3:56 AM  

Caution - do not be caught up among the different reality webs.

It is common for many witnesses of a single event to give different tales. Why?

See: Mandela effect.

Blogger Keyser Soze February 26, 2018 3:59 AM  

Stacey should be careful as details and story complications need to be cleaned up.
Just like demo of the school, any witness contrary to the official version will have to be removed.

Blogger Twisted Root February 26, 2018 4:04 AM  

@1

Which is precisely the reason deep state, however incompetent, can get away with murdering kids in broad daylight to forward their agenda. Psychopathic, just business.

Sending your child to public school now needs to be classified a child abuse and neglect.

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 4:07 AM  

It is common for many witnesses of a single event to give different tales.

Not that different. Moreover, there is another witness who says that she actually talked to Cruz while the shootings were taking place. So, it could not have been him. At a bare minimum, there is reasonable doubt that he was responsible.

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 4:09 AM  

Stacey should be careful as details and story complications need to be cleaned up.

The shooter saw her. The safest thing for her to do is go on every single TV and cable station and file an official report attesting to her observations. If I were her, I'd go to the White House and ask the God-Emperor himself to investigate and provide her with 24-hour protection.

And if anything does happen to her, that will tend to confirm that she was telling the truth that the parties responsible did not want exposed.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club February 26, 2018 4:35 AM  

one would naturally assume that whoever staged the false flag would be competent enough to use ammunition that is AR-15 compatible

Most people don't understand or care about such details. They're content to believe a semiauto can fire "10 rounds a second!" and that somehow, some way, the next "gun control" law will cast a magic anti-murder spell across the nation.

Blogger Shimshon February 26, 2018 4:36 AM  

It may have been an ineptly executed false flag, or more inept than most, but does that mean any consequences for anyone besides Cruz? As pointed out elsewhere, his guilty plea means no discovery and any evidence that exists is irrelevant.

Blogger Shimshon February 26, 2018 4:47 AM  

And even if Cruz plead not guilty, who's to say he wouldn't be the unfortunate victim of an inmate attack a la Jack Ruby?

Related. One of the pictures I saw of him holding a gun looks like it has an orange tip. Check it out. Gun experts, please reply.

Blogger Shimshon February 26, 2018 4:50 AM  

Keep in mind, Mandalay Bay is full of holes too. And the narrative has unraveled some, but there have been quite a few post-incident deaths, and the story is still intact, many months later.

Blogger Man of the Atom February 26, 2018 4:50 AM  

Look for more "grass roots" action prior to next episode of the "Crisis Action Reality Show Staring David Hogg", aka the March 24 'Never Again' march in DC.

Shocker of a coincidence: High school students "spontaneously" staging walkouts of their classes are being reassured by colleges and universities that Tide Podders within GenZ have nothing to fear over jeopardizing their Higher Ed tickets being punched.

Likely this highly organized sequence of planned events was designed to show how the "young, wise heroes" can show the US a new way forward out of violence, and sweep away those archaic beliefs in Evil Black Rifles by "reasonable" controls on the Second Amendment.

Stamping out "crisis actors" and other news that flies in the face of that narrative has become paramount now. Witnesses just make for further complications.

Blogger Dire Badger February 26, 2018 5:09 AM  

The Truth is irrelevant. Like the country music festival massacre, the public has been fed a lie so gigantic that they will believe it despite all later evidence, because no one believes anyone could tell a lie so audacious.

People have to be FORCED to see the truth. That means that We need to have better, and more audacious lies than they do.

"Crisis Actors" is perfect.

Blogger Dire Badger February 26, 2018 5:16 AM  

"FBI team slaughters schoolkids, pins it on unpopular, conservative kid in order to disarm Americans" would be even better if you could find a way to make it plausible. It (might be?) a Lie, but at least two clearly conflicting memes might make a few people start asking questions.

Blogger rumpole5 February 26, 2018 5:30 AM  

I was a prosecutor for 29 years. Truthful witnesses to the same event will always give differing testimony. However, taken together, their testimony will give the hearer a good idea of what happened. This is especially so when the physical evidence is carefully preserved and examined.

Blogger Phillip George February 26, 2018 5:52 AM  

got everyone's minds of FISA warrants so well done Mr Comey.

Blogger Lazarus February 26, 2018 5:54 AM  

@1

Welcome, eager newcomer!

Blogger Uncle John's Band February 26, 2018 5:56 AM  

@1

Thanks for getting in early with the caution. Can't have anyone making too much of mounting irregularities that go way beyond ordinary variances in sincere testimony. That might shake our faith in "our" institutions!!

Your concern is noted.

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 5:57 AM  

Has everyone ever heard of giving their kid body armor in an upper class school? How bad is the "chatter" when a parent goes, "son, here's some body armor, take it to school"?

Standard issue pistols appear to be Glocks. Though a "pick your own" option. https://www.tactical-life.com/lifestyle/military-and-police/sunshine-state-florida-leos-glock/

Oh, that's rich. The Broward County Sheriff office's webpage has “How to Submit a Tip About the Stoneman Douglas Shooting”.

https://kek.gg/i/4_N2V6.jpg For proof.

http://www.sheriff.org/Administration/Documents/Training/HR218-Schedule.pdf#search=gun

For their yearly qualifications for retired LEOs of the department: "use ammunition in the following calibers: 38 caliber, .380 caliber, 9 millimeter, 40 caliber and 45 calibers, issued by the BSO firearms (no other calibers of ammunition will be allowed)". Though that seems to be handgun qualifications.

Blogger Uncle John's Band February 26, 2018 6:01 AM  

@ 17

"Has everyone ever heard of giving their kid body armor in an upper class school?"

The details are so insane that I'm surprised there actually isn't more of a backlash. Is media narrative control still that effective, or am I missing something?

Blogger TheMaleRei February 26, 2018 6:06 AM  

@13

I have noticed how death camps are often preserved as a lesson to "never forget", as the saying goes.

Would it not be equally valid to keep the school as a museum and testament to "never forget"? It would be macabre but certainly no less than the camps.

But, preservation of evidence isn't an issue, really...

Blogger Stilicho February 26, 2018 6:09 AM  

It would be odd if a standard issue police department rifle were anything other than an AR 15 in .223 or 5.56 Nato.

Are there any other reports of Cruz being Swatted up during the attack?

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 6:15 AM  

Here's the sheriff's office's budget for last year.

http://www.sheriff.org/Administration/Documents/FY%202017-18%20Proposed%20Budget%20Book.pdf#search=gun

http://www.sheriff.org/Administration/Lists/Classes/DispForm.aspx?ID=3

They held trainings all last year for the AR-15 platform. No joke.

https://archive.fo/kd4ze

I archived it for good measure. It's a 2-day qualification program for the "Basic Patrol Rifle". Since I can't find otherwise, it would appear that their standard issue Rifle is an AR-15 of some form.

http://www.sheriff.org/Administration/Lists/Classes/DispForm.aspx?ID=2

And there's the more advanced classes, using the same rifles.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 6:20 AM  

Ask not what your government can do to you...

Blogger Man of the Atom February 26, 2018 6:21 AM  

@20 Stilicho
I think Vox's point may be this. Assuming standard over-the-counter AR-15. If not standard, did Cruz modify 'his' weapon? Where are the transactions and receipts? Let's see some spent casings from the crime scene.

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 6:22 AM  

@20 Stilicho

Standard issue rifle is an AR-15 of some form, but it's not listed on their site.

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 6:28 AM  

https://twitter.com/FranklinWSVN/status/963947190505832448/photo/1

Picture of his capture (sent to some media folks). Why does those clothes strike me as amazingly clean? It's not proof of anything, but something sure seemed odd about that when it cropped up. Still odd.

Blogger Jimmy February 26, 2018 6:32 AM  

If the incompetence is planned and a veneer, what can the deep state do when they fully take over? If this is “diversity is our strength” competence...its going to be more annoying than dangerous. Unless your an unarmed child.

OpenID libowman February 26, 2018 6:35 AM  

Matthew Walker, a 17-year-old student at the school, told WFOR-TV: "A lot of people were saying it was going to be him.

"A lot of kids threw jokes around saying that he was going to be the one to shoot up the school. It turns out that everyone predicted it. That's crazy.


Everyone knew, they were calling it, the students, the police, the parents ... Their prayers for the leftist agenda finally paid of.

Blogger Dire Badger February 26, 2018 6:37 AM  

What strikes me is that he was supposedly geared up like that kid in 'Rampage'. How did he get out of it so quickly? Did the cops carefully remove all of it so that they could cuff him? He sure looks freshly showered.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 6:46 AM  

VD, that photo of the “shooter” always looked odd to me. Like staged. It’s too good.
Does it look like a still from a body cam? Not to me. He is too clean. And I thought he surrendered with no struggle.
They release that image, though.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 6:47 AM  

VD, that photo of the “shooter” always looked odd to me. Like staged. It’s too good.
Does it look like a still from a body cam? Not to me. He is too clean. And I thought he surrendered with no struggle.
They release that image, though.

Blogger Dire Badger February 26, 2018 6:49 AM  

What is also interesting is that Cruz 'arsenal' picture first appeared on february 14th.

Didn't he supposedly have this picture up for some time before the incident?

Blogger Jew613 February 26, 2018 6:50 AM  

The speed in which a "grassroots" sprung up is incredibly suspicious and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a second shooter. But if he's innocent why would Cruz plead guilty?

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 6:55 AM  

Maybe pre-weaponized autism you could pull this sort of thing off.
I believe Q said as much in his comment about technology, Internet, Chan’s would be their downfall..
No more Zapruda films for you.

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 6:55 AM  

This is random, but probably shouldn't be missed, with both Las Vegas & Parkland, Trump showed up to talk to the injured survivors pretty quick. Which means his team would actually be the first to have debriefed them, more than likely. Not sure it means much, but Trump literally ends up with better access than the FBI to survivors.

I have doubts Cruz was the shooter, but not beyond reasonable at this point. Someone unloads over 100 rounds into a school, killing 17 & injuring over 20, then just drops it all and walks out the door. No change of clothes. No backup weapon. Seemingly no blood on his clothes either.

There's just not enough of sociopathy or psychopathy involved in all of this. How is something methodical & planned, yet, after firing a lot of rounds, he has zero clear plan after that. He could have easily disappeared into Miami by the time they caught up to him.

If the connotation wasn't really different now, I'd say this is almost a "Remember, no Russian" moment. http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/No_Russian

Blogger Smokey Dust February 26, 2018 6:56 AM  

@20

Some departments may carry ruger mini 14s. Especially if state department is run by a Clintonist

Blogger Phillip George February 26, 2018 6:58 AM  

Jew613.
How sophisticated is MK Ultra? Where did the research go?

Jeffrey Satinover wrote a book which describes dreams people are going to have.... so who "writes" dreams?

Why did CNN say "stick to the script?"



Blogger VD February 26, 2018 7:06 AM  

But if he's innocent why would Cruz plead guilty?

Because he's crazy, drugged, and brainwashed. He's been told, over and over, that he did this. For months before the event.

Blogger SemiSpook37 February 26, 2018 7:08 AM  

Slightly OT: Noticing that if you’re not actively logged in to or have an account on Twitter, you won’t see any traffic on the site; even links take you to a login screen.

Damn, it appears someone’s touched a nerve...

OpenID RambleAround February 26, 2018 7:12 AM  

The red tip is typical of airlift pistols

OpenID kabartanto February 26, 2018 7:12 AM  

The bullet proof vest story doesn't sound suspicious. If the father knew there would be an attack with an AR-15 he'd also know a standard kevlar vest wouldn't protect against it. Not to mention they could've devised a cover story to keep him from going to school at all that day.

OpenID RambleAround February 26, 2018 7:13 AM  

Lol airsoft

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 7:15 AM  

@30 Jew613

The "grassroots" has been pre-planned for several years, they just didn't know where the shooting would happen. All they have to do is activate certain networks and they'll astroturf in 24 hours. Considering Hogg is connected to the Podesta outfits, it's not really hard to see the fingerprints.

@27 Dire Badger

https://twitter.com/FranklinWSVN/status/963890360618545153

Video of the arrest. He was arrested around 90 minutes after the shooting. He went to get a sandwich in the time between and walked around mostly aimlessly, after filtering out with other students to the local Wal-Mart.

For 10 minutes, he's a wanton, pre-meditated murder, then for the next 90 minutes he's a space-cadet. That can't be explained by coming off super high doses of Meth, either. Otherwise, he wouldn't have stopped.

If he'd gotten in a car and started shooting at passing cars wildly, or done the entire attack naked, that would fit the profile. The narrative we are presented with is a repeat of the Virginia Tech shooting, yet the shooter just stops in the middle & decides to be someone else.

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 7:15 AM  

The bullet proof vest story doesn't sound suspicious.

If it doesn't sound suspicious to you, then you are very stupid.

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 7:19 AM  

@37 kabartanto

Depends on what "chatter" the parent heard. If they were suspicious something was up, the vest makes sense. If they actually knew, they would have had a family outing that day.

OpenID paworldandtimes February 26, 2018 7:20 AM  

If the father knew there would be an attack with an AR-15 ...

... he'd have his son skip school that day?

Blogger Harris February 26, 2018 7:22 AM  

Gotta say that this article seems a little bizarre. Occam's razor says the kid did it, not some bizarro policeman.

Blogger McChuck February 26, 2018 7:23 AM  

After firing that many rounds, he'd have powder residue all over his hands, and some on his face (assuming he aimed). You would be able to smell the gun smoke on him from 5 feet away.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 7:23 AM  

LG thanks, I hadn’t seen “video of the arrest.”

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 7:25 AM  

CTH has a video of several cops quickly removing what looks an awful lot like the gear that would have been on the actual cop who really did the shooting.

What the teacher described was a geared up cop, as she said she was surprised to see a cop in the hall. He was in a bullet-proof vest, and it was with a cop helmet on his head. Good luck fitting that all in even the largest backpack. The cops loading up the pickup had several items, including a duffel, and a loose item that had the shape of something like a vest. There ya go, enough for a geared up cop.

Blogger Ransom Smith February 26, 2018 7:26 AM  

Every shooting with an AR always bothers me .
It's one thing if it takes place in the open, but close quarters the gun isn't even very good.
A 12 gauge would arguably do more damage in such tight spaces. But oddly no shooters ever seem to have one .Despite how readily available they are .

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 7:26 AM  

“If it doesn't sound suspicious to you, then you are very stupid.“

Precisely. And if it were the ONLY thing that sounds suspicious about this event...

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 7:29 AM  

Adios, kabartanto. Don't come back.

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 26, 2018 7:32 AM  

I'm astounded that GMA allowed that woman to speak.

If that doesn't speak to Derp State incompetence, I don't know what does.

After Sandy Hook, it seems things went the other way; Questions and Irregularities at the beginning, Media Clamp down later.

This one seemed tied up like with a bow (as far as the MMM and the Normies are concerned) and that bow is now unraveling all over the place.

If my own mother, as staunch a HRC/SJW/Progressive voter as anyone I know is starting to wonder WTF, something went waaaaaay wrong.

Blogger The Observer February 26, 2018 7:32 AM  

https://gabfiles.blob.core.windows.net/image/5a93c1c5336dd.jpeg

David Hogg's "suggestion" for reasonable gun control.

That'll go over well.

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 26, 2018 7:34 AM  

Oh for sure the "bullet proof vest" is suspicious, but the first thing my mind went to is, why would he send his son to school at all?

Was this the one and only day he had the vest with him? Maybe he's been bringing it for a while as Dad didn't know when something might happen but suspected.

That might also explain why he didn't just keep his son out of school. He couldn't just keep him out of school completely for that long of a time on just a suspicion. So he goes with this plan.

Crazy world.

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 7:36 AM  

Gotta say that this article seems a little bizarre. Occam's razor says the kid did it, not some bizarro policeman.

Nice to see the shills are here. Occam's Razor says no such thing. To the contrary, it says the kid cannot have done it.

Blogger Anchorman February 26, 2018 7:36 AM  

Cruz probably didn't put much thought, if any, into they characteristics of the AR or his ammo. In both cases, he could have gone with the cheapest option and lucked out by purchasing a sportster 1:9 and the cheapest ammo.

And if my kid was going to school on the day of a shooting, or even going to a school that there would be a shooting (if I didn't know the exact day), I'd keep him home, send him to a different school, or cyber school him.

I wouldn't send my kid into a deadly zone.

Blogger McChuck February 26, 2018 7:37 AM  

@39 - Airsoft pistol. Video - how did that many cops show up to the scene, while the kid is still on the ground and being physically checked? Who called in his location? How did they know who to look for, and what he looked like? Yearbook photo texted to everybody? From what witness descriptions?

While cops can work this quickly, they usually don't. Kudos to them if this was real detective work. Unmitigated disgust if this was preset. Again - how did they find him? A random cop car on patrol recognized the kid? Somebody call in based on TV news picture of the suspect?

Anybody in the area remember seeing a picture broadcast of the suspect before he was arrested?

Blogger Dexter February 26, 2018 7:38 AM  

Is there any convincing proof that anyone is actually dead? All I see on TV are those asshole SJW kids, not any grieving parents or stories about who died.

Blogger Anchorman February 26, 2018 7:38 AM  

Nice to see the shills are here.

What? So, questioning can only be done in one direction?

Blogger Howard Stone February 26, 2018 7:39 AM  

What’s also suspicious is how CNN et. all is proving up students (Boss Hogg etc.) who share an obvious bias, while attempting to discredit others who don’t. I’m waiting for Hogg’s book deal to be announced, of course he will go on tour to promote it, and said book will become required reading in high schools across the country.

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 7:39 AM  

Oh for sure the "bullet proof vest" is suspicious, but the first thing my mind went to is, why would he send his son to school at all?

Because he didn't actually KNOW that there would be anything but the drill. However, he knew there was a drill and he was aware that every now and then, real events end up accompanying these drills. So, he hedged his bet.

That's what normal people do when they have suspicions but don't actually know anything with any degree of certainty. He wouldn't have wanted to get into an argument with his wife and be accused of being paranoid. I'll bet the wife had no idea that the kid even had the vest.

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 26, 2018 7:40 AM  

Emmett Fitz-Hume wrote:If my own mother, as staunch a HRC/SJW/Progressive voter as anyone I know is starting to wonder WTF, something went waaaaaay wrong.

That's very good news. Generally these people have an astounding ability to rationalize innumerable inconsistencies, etc. in favor of their preferred narrative. They're pros at bulling right past their cog dis. I know, I've got them in my family too. As to them, I have no idea what they're thinking, as I don't talk about this stuff with them. It goes nowhere, so there's no point.

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 7:40 AM  

@48 Ransom Smith

https://infogalactic.com/info/Columbine_High_School_massacre

Intratec TEC-DC9
Hi-Point 995 Carbine
Savage 67H pump-action shotgun
Stevens 311D double barreled sawed-off shotgun
99 explosives
4 knives

https://infogalactic.com/info/Virginia_Tech_shooting

Glock 19 pistol
Walther P22 pistol

Columbine is about the last one that seems to have used a shotgun.

Also, remember with Sandy Hook, how they were quick to go after Bushmaster? Anyone heard a peep about the maker this time?

Blogger Howard Stone February 26, 2018 7:41 AM  

@McChuck, all good questions, and here’s another one, how were the police so certain there are as only one shooter?

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 7:42 AM  

What? So, questioning can only be done in one direction?

Exactly. Go shill for the Official Story someplace else. Your "questions" are not questions, they are stupid and obvious defenses of the narrative.

And if my kid was going to school on the day of a shooting, or even going to a school that there would be a shooting (if I didn't know the exact day), I'd keep him home, send him to a different school, or cyber school him.

Again, the cop would not have known that there would be an actual shooting. Of course he would have kept his kid home had he known! But he would have known there was a DRILL and if he was as aware of the link between drills and false flags as the average reader of this blog, it would be normal for him to try to give his kid an extra edge.

Or, perhaps he is super paranoid and the kid has carried the vest to school every day of his school life. But that seems less likely.

Blogger JACIII February 26, 2018 7:43 AM  

VD, I can't speak to Florida, but the Kentucky state police have ammo that are head stamped specific to the department. "KSP"

Man of the Atom wrote:@20 Stilicho

I think Vox's point may be this. Assuming standard over-the-counter AR-15. If not standard, did Cruz modify 'his' weapon? Where are the transactions and receipts? Let's see some spent casings from the crime scene.


Exactly. Given the veritable rain of bullets described, you'd think some horror brass would show up on ebay.

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 26, 2018 7:44 AM  

VD wrote:That's what normal people do when they have suspicions but don't actually know anything with any degree of certainty. He wouldn't have wanted to get into an argument with his wife and be accused of being paranoid.

I completely agree. Sorry I didn't cover it all well in my comment.

For those who say, "no way", you're not thinking like a normie. It's very tough to "swim upstream", go against the herd, etc. So this kind of compromise in his mind isn't surprising. It's nuts, for sure, but that's our world right now.

Blogger Anchorman February 26, 2018 7:46 AM  

#47 I suspect that's because of the media hype of the AR as some ultimate killing machine.

That said, a shotgun's capacity is limited, unless you get a ten round after-market add on.

I think the AR is used because it is familiar in sight picture to folks who play first person shooter games, is more accurate than pistols, can have 20, 30+ capacity, and is relatively inexpensive.

Here's what I can't figure out. How did he conceal this and get into the school? It's Florida, so no one's wearing a bulky coat. Did he take it apart and carry it in? Don't they have metal detectors in a school that large? My kids, before they started cyber-schooling, went to a safe, suburban school. Even in that setting, doors are locked, there's only one entrance, and the student have to go through metal detectors as an armed policeman is standing guard.

Blogger Harris February 26, 2018 7:46 AM  

Vox,

I've admired your insight for a while. Unlike me, who was highly suspicious of Trump being a plant to grease the wheels of Clinton's inevitable election, you caught on to the reality of Trump long before me. Also, I've never believed in being critical of those who are on the edge of pulling the pendulum back in the right direction. Any movement needs their own "extremists", if you want to call them that, to counterbalance against the extremists pulling the other way.

Also, you've convinced this one-time anti-mercantilist of the folly of "free trade" as practiced, vs. the theory. Allowing your enemies to game the trade system in their favor, all to uphold the seemingly reasonable theory of free trade, is a fool's game. Time has shown that to be true.

I've been ahead of many on immigration for a while. As an ethnic Anglo, with 7 ancestors on the Mayflower, and multiple ancestors at Jamestown also, I've been citing the corrupting influence of different cultures since I was a teen.

I'm not above a decent conspiracy theory once in a while. But I don't believe in some over-arching grand world-wide conspiracy of men (although I do believe there is a common "father of lies" that exists behind the conspiracies that do happen.)

I don't say this lightly, because I've learned to measure my thoughts when it comes to disputing you. And this is indeed your house, and I respect that. But this is one of those times I think you missed it. Keep up the good work anyway. Everyone deserves a mulligan every once in awhile.

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 7:50 AM  

@50 Emmett Fitz-Hume

Sandy Hook had the issue that the only photogenic parent comes across as a pure sociopath. Sandy Hook was pretty much no longer news after Christmas 2012, having taken place in early December. It wasn't out of the news as fast as the Pulse shooting (that didn't make it 48 hours, after we found out it was Muslim on Gays shooting).

All of the questions go away with just a few still images from the CC cameras.

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 7:51 AM  

I don't believe in some over-arching grand world-wide conspiracy of men.

You need to read more history. Conspiracy is the normal state of Man. What is Arkhaven, if not a conspiracy to disrupt the comics industry? Some are open, some are not. The global governance conspiracy is open. They even have a web site!

But this is one of those times I think you missed it.

I hear that literally every single time I predict anything. Sometimes I am wrong, such as the case of the stock market. Other times, not so much. We'll see.

Blogger JACIII February 26, 2018 7:52 AM  

Anchorman wrote:

Here's what I can't figure out. How did he conceal this and get into the school? It's Florida, so no one's wearing a bulky coat. Did he take it apart and carry it in? Don't they have metal detectors in a school that large? My kids, before they started cyber-schooling, went to a safe, suburban school. Even in that setting, doors are locked, there's only one entrance, and the student have to go through metal detectors as an armed policeman is standing guard.


Yep,
Even out here in the woods, schools have electromagnet locks. You have to be buzzed in after an intercom conversation. Then there is an air lock with another lock to pass through. And you are on camera.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 7:54 AM  

The cops supposedly don’t know anything about this shooting... yet... THEY SEND ALL THEIR GUYS to help with the arrest of this one guy. Who just fits a “description.”
His hair looks died red.

Blogger Peaceful Poster February 26, 2018 7:54 AM  

Do we know the kid brought the kevlar vest to school that particular day, or did he always keep it at the school in case?

Blogger Harris February 26, 2018 7:57 AM  

Like I said, VD. It's your house. I've said what I had to say. The floor is (literally and figuratively) yours.

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 7:59 AM  

@62 VD

We've also seen uncorroborated reports of there being army servicemen at the school for the drill, and some activity from the Secret Service several weeks before as well. Though the USSS part might just be part of routine stuff since Mar-A-Lago isn't that far away.

Maybe the most brutal bit:
https://twitter.com/DLoesch/status/967910826773549058

He actually called, one time, himself for help. If he lived practically anywhere else in the country, he'd have at least been removed for his own safety.

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 8:03 AM  

I've said what I had to say.

Fair enough. Time will tell.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 8:06 AM  

This will seem OT, but I don’t think so.
You know why Trump never looks worried about Russiagate? Early on, re the piss dossier, I recall him saying to the effect, “they (referring to the MSM) forget I KNOW it didn’t happen.”
So he essentially says, investigate all you want.
This is related I think because in the Florida shooting, I really don’t see how releasing video potentially damages an investigation or the controlled narrative of a court proceeding.
Plus, John Q Public, is coming up with more and more OBVIOUS questions, but the so-called professionals (MSM and PD) are not, or, seem to already have this one guy, move along. Oh, and expert leadership. Wut?

Blogger Harambe February 26, 2018 8:12 AM  

Anchorman wrote:#47 I suspect that's because of the media hype of the AR as some ultimate killing machine.

That said, a shotgun's capacity is limited, unless you get a ten round after-market add on.

I think the AR is used because it is familiar in sight picture to folks who play first person shooter games, is more accurate than pistols, can have 20, 30+ capacity, and is relatively inexpensive.

Here's what I can't figure out. How did he conceal this and get into the school? It's Florida, so no one's wearing a bulky coat. Did he take it apart and carry it in? Don't they have metal detectors in a school that large? My kids, before they started cyber-schooling, went to a safe, suburban school. Even in that setting, doors are locked, there's only one entrance, and the student have to go through metal detectors as an armed policeman is standing guard.

Blogger Johnny February 26, 2018 8:15 AM  

Taking the conspiracy theory as a prior assumption, the reason for having cops on the scene would be the expectation that one of them would take out the shooter. If he is all decked out in combat gear that would make him highly identifiable and dangerous enough to draw fire. Thus giving the shooter cops detailed instructions would not be necessary, and keeping down the number of insiders is always desirable.

If the above is true, then where it went wrong was that the kid was such a numb nuts he thought he could just walk away, and just ambled out of the place without getting spotted. Him getting taken out in a blaze of fire would have been a whole lot better, and the cops who ventilated him could be played up as heroes.

Tearing down the school buries evidence like crazy. Thus as desirable as a dead perp. The fewer witnesses the better.

Blogger Anchorman February 26, 2018 8:27 AM  

#76 I couldn't have said it better myself.

Blogger Harambe February 26, 2018 8:31 AM  

AR's are pretty good for clearing buildings. As much as I like shotguns, AR's do a better job against multiple targets. A shotgun's only real strength is that it makes golf ball-sized holes in meat. Now, if we were talking about FN FAL's (<3) with their ridiculously long barrels, that'd be a different matter.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 26, 2018 8:31 AM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Every shooting with an AR always bothers me .

It's one thing if it takes place in the open, but close quarters the gun isn't even very good.

A 12 gauge would arguably do more damage in such tight spaces. But oddly no shooters ever seem to have one .Despite how readily available they are .


Shotguns do a lot of damage to the target, but you don't get to hit many targets. Bulky, heavy ammunition. Except for the Saiga, small magazines and slow reloads. The Saiga is a large, heavy, expensive gun.

Finally, if all you know about guns is what you learned in war movies and first person shooters, Mr. Stoner's finest is your only choice.

Blogger Harambe February 26, 2018 8:31 AM  

I was meaning to respond, but was left speechless ;)

Blogger Anchorman February 26, 2018 8:33 AM  

If he is all decked out in combat gear that would make him highly identifiable and dangerous enough to draw fire.

It could have been that airsoft gear kids wear. It looks militaristic, but only stops those plastic bee-bees. Since he was pictured with an airsoft pistol (orange tip), he may have bought the gear, as well.

Blogger Bobiojimbo February 26, 2018 8:34 AM  

I've carried an AK-47 in a duffel bag once. It had a collapsible stock. By collapsing the stock and extending the duffel bag, I fit the whole thing inside. It's not impossible to both find a large enough duffel bag and collapse a rifle into it. It's also important to know that AR-15s can easily be broken into two pieces an re-assembled. There are two retention pins that hold the upper and lower halves together: push these out and pull apart and you're done. Reverse the steps to re-assemble. No need to remove the barrel or anything else like you see in the movies.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqJ4mxUlpAg

I'm no gun expert, just a bit of a "nut" and an owner. I'll happily look into various rifles and carbines that are distinctly not ARs when I have the time later.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 26, 2018 8:36 AM  

Harambe wrote:Now, if we were talking about FN FAL's (<3) with their ridiculously long barrels, that'd be a different matter.

FALs are available with folding stocks and ridiculously short barrels, including NFA short. Nobody uses FALs in school shootings or real life because you don't see them in the FPS and they cost $1,500 and up.

Blogger Harambe February 26, 2018 8:41 AM  

OT (kind of): One of the few nice things about living in South Africa is I can find a refurbished FAL for under $1000.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 26, 2018 8:46 AM  

Call em open conspiracies I'll provide two, all of the OKC ATF office out of the building supposedly not SOP on a work day. Second the burning down of the Waco compound the Feds won't admit that the HRT received training from SF and the Feds won't admit to shooting at the cultists to keep from having any witnesses.

These two examples have fairly large numbers of people but all of it covered by lots of BS.

Blogger Ken Prescott February 26, 2018 8:48 AM  

Box, I am about as militantly anti-conspiracy as one can be in this Two Thousand Eighteenth Year of Our Lord.

That said...

I think there's a whole lot more rabbit hole to go down before we are even on the same floor as the looking glass.

Curiouser and curiouser things are coming, methinks.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 26, 2018 8:52 AM  

@10 Stamping out "crisis actors"

So, what's our new term for crisis actors? Just like the ... morphing of "negro, colored, Afro-American, African-American, black, people of color," etc. -- changing the NAME of .... a thing ... does not change its fundamental nature; just the new word becomes tainted as well.

So, DS (Deep State) performers? Leftist actors? Paid performers?

I'm still not fluent in rhetoric -- anyone?

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 8:58 AM  

So, what's our new term for crisis actors?

Emergency entertainers.

Blogger Howard Stone February 26, 2018 8:58 AM  

@NeoNietzsche, I like the term “Flaggers”, but this sort of thing usually happens organically. Eventually something will catch on.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 26, 2018 8:58 AM  

@32 "Someone unloads over 100 rounds into a school, killing 17 & injuring over 20, then just drops it all and walks out the door. No change of clothes. No backup weapon. Seemingly no blood on his clothes either."

Do you get gunpowder residue on your hands or clothes firing a rifle? Except: who would you trust to test for it and report it?!

Blogger Howard Stone February 26, 2018 9:00 AM  

Or First Responders.

Blogger Chris Mallory February 26, 2018 9:05 AM  

@60
Supposedly he used a Smith & Wesson M&P 15. That is the AR he had pictures of. Probably a Sport version, since they can be had for under $500.

Blogger Anchorman February 26, 2018 9:10 AM  

Do you get gunpowder residue on your hands or clothes firing a rifle?

No. Your hands may smell a bit, but it's not noticeable to others.

Blogger Ken Prescott February 26, 2018 9:11 AM  

"Do you get gunpowder residue on your hands or clothes firing a rifle? Except: who would you trust to test for it and report it?!"

After 100 rounds? He would STINK of gunpowder.

Blogger Redpill Angel February 26, 2018 9:12 AM  

Ok, one week out, according to the voiceover. The teacher mentions being "nicked, or grazed or whatever" by a bullet and points to her bare arm, which is smooth, tanned, and shows no sign of redness. Can someone help me here about what the effects of a bullet graze would be?

Blogger Redpill Angel February 26, 2018 9:13 AM  

I cannot help being suspicious of everything I read or hear now.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 26, 2018 9:15 AM  

@65 " Did he take it apart and carry it in? Don't they have metal detectors in a school that large?"

Yeah, this shows another snake-tangle: Cruz KNEW that setting off the fire alarm would unlock all the doors so the classrooms would be unlocked and the kids filing out. I really doubt there is a fire alarm station OUTSIDE the school for him to pull. That means he DID get into the school in order to pull the alarm and unlock the doors in order to get into the ... er... um...

Then, in order to get into the school in order to pull the fire alarm (in order to...), he would have to press the buzzer and be ALLOWED to enter: a "stand and be recognized!" (by camera) kinda thing. WHO -- which staffer -- pushed the 'open' button to let him in? And WHO would let ANYone into school with either an open/visible AR -- OR specifically a kid carrying a duffle bag who was ALREADY KNOWN to be disallowed on campus with just a backpack?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Blogger Ken Prescott February 26, 2018 9:16 AM  

"Can someone help me here about what the effects of a bullet graze would be?"

Whatever flesh it actually touched would be GONE. You're talking about a supersonic projectile.

The extremely close passage of a bullet--ask me how I know this (c8--can feel like something hit your skin HARD, though.

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 9:17 AM  

Do you get gunpowder residue on your hands or clothes firing a rifle?

Yes, especially when reloading.

The teacher mentions being "nicked, or grazed or whatever" by a bullet and points to her bare arm, which is smooth, tanned, and shows no sign of redness.

Except for the obvious mark on her arm at 1:34. Which she actually points to.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 26, 2018 9:20 AM  

@71 "Do we know the kid brought the kevlar vest to school that particular day, or did he always keep it at the school in case?"

And, in the MIDDLE of a shooting he has time to run to his locker, work the combination, find the vest under the pile of books and crap, don the vest, and run BACK to his classroom to be locked in? Hmmmmm. maybe not.

And the chances the kid wore it everyday? Less than 1%! (Says everyone who has ever worn one!)

Blogger Solaire Of Astora February 26, 2018 9:20 AM  

So the take away here is don't contact the FBI/cops if someone crazy is at your school or workplace. At best they won't respond, at worst you're drawing a bigger target. Even if the conspiracy angle is totally false it clearly doesn't help to call 'law enforcement' and under this kind of uncertainty it's a risk with absolutely no upside at all.

Blogger McChuck February 26, 2018 9:36 AM  

@91 Neo - You would have residue on your arms and face (if aiming). ARs use direct impingement gas systems - the gas from the expanding powder returns to the chamber to cycle the action. That gas then leaves the chamber via all the holes in it. After firing a hundred rounds, your firing hand would be noticeably dirty, and others would be able to smell the residue from five feet away.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 26, 2018 9:37 AM  

@75 "I really don’t see how releasing video potentially damages an investigation or the controlled narrative of a court proceeding."

Sort-of OT, but applies to "matter of degree not kind":

"SonofNewo," who had been madly investigating Charlottesville, has essentially 'doxed' himself by filing suit (he's a lawyer..) against the cops and court to force the release of a (surveillance) video of the incident shown in the preliminary hearing. (He's a bit annoying to watch/listen to, but doing excellent work digging in. Like;

1. As usual, the Feds IMMEDIATELY confiscated the surveillance video of a coffee house (?) that showed the Challenger.

2. He's tearing apart "Brendan Gillan" -- a Fed! -- who is one of the main "spokesmen"
for the 'narrative.'

3. SonofNewo works out that the Challenger started (slowly) down the street of the accident, then reverses back UP the street and sat for some 45 seconds (it's on the confiscated tape -- info from court transcript), before accelerating down the street and hitting the crowd.

And the infamous Gillan -- who taped the car charging down -- HAD to have been standing there in the street DURING the reversal and 45-sec sitting and then filmed the charge. (OOPS!)

If you have video -- and it contradicts or raises questions about your narrative -- then yes, you're not going to release it or use it in "an investigation or the controlled narrative of a court proceeding."+

(Surely, you've noticed that in any of these 'events' -- the Feds, instead of doing COP work, are running around confiscating every surveillance video in a 20-block (exaggeration) radius?! Maybe we should put private cameras around the areas where 'our' events are going to be held? Feds can confiscate what they want, so long as we have OTHER videos!)

(SonofNewo has been using all the Livestream and uploaded videos from CVille -- and quite effectively! Kinda like how that physicist used all the media videos of Building 7 falling at free-fall acceleration into its own footprint to PROVE that it fell at free-fall acceleration! There's software that does that.)

Blogger Anchorman February 26, 2018 9:38 AM  

If by residue, you mean CSI q-tip swab, then there is residue. If you mean (as it seemed by the talk of changing clothes/blending in) blackened appearance, there isn't much.

On days, I've shot hundreds of rounds at the range - some of the real stinky and dirty Russian ammo (Tula, Wolf, etc). The cheap Russian stuff (9mm) left slight blackening on my hands, but I was firing pistols and my hands were simply closer to the port.

You'd need to know what to smell for. It doesn't have the old sulfur smell. But the shooter smells it on himself. I felt like I reeked, but no one noticed or pointed it out. I think in a mass evac situation, there's lots of people, lots of smells, and everyone's probably more visually/audibly focused.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 26, 2018 9:43 AM  

@103 "your firing hand would be noticeably dirty, and others would be able to smell the residue from five feet away."

So -- WHO is testing this kid -- and how can we trust the results?! Or are they NOT testing him for residue? He sure LOOKED spotless when arrested!

Blogger Crew February 26, 2018 9:44 AM  

Why, for example, was the son of a police officer wearing a bulletproof vest during the attack?

This doesn't make a lot of sense though. Why not just keep your kid home for the day. Are cops really that dumb?

Blogger Crew February 26, 2018 9:48 AM  

Whatever flesh it actually touched would be GONE. You're talking about a supersonic projectile.

Yes. At such short distances they would be going around 2,500 fps or maybe a bit more depending on the load. About two and a half times the speed of sound (1087 fps).

Blogger Anchorman February 26, 2018 9:49 AM  

I never thought my hands were dirty, but I'm also a left-handed shooter. Been firing for decades.

That said, I also never really took before/after pictures.

I bought a new AR last week, after I joined the NRA for the first time. I'll clean it and take it shooting this weekend and take before/after pics. As I said, I'm a lefty, so I don't think there will be much, if anything on my trigger hand. My right hand will be on the foregrip. So, if there will be anything, it would be on my face (closest to the ejection port).

If I notice anything, I'll chime in (if the topic comes up again).

I guess that raises another question. Was the shooter right handed or left handed? My kids are right handed, but left-eye dominant. So, there's also things like that.

Blogger Ingot9455 February 26, 2018 9:52 AM  

@71 @101 Yeah, imagine the conversation between cop-dad and adolescent boy.

"You wear that vest every second today. EVERY SECOND. You're in gym class, you're taking a squat, EVERY SECOND. You don't put it in your backpack you don't put it in your closet, you wear it till all your little friends call you 'vestie' for the rest of your damn life, you hear me? ALL OF TODAY."

Blogger Ingot9455 February 26, 2018 9:55 AM  

As for residue, there's a standard swab test that you can use to find out if someone fired a gun in the past 1-4 days. Normal soap doesn't wash off the chemicals in the test. A smart conspiracy would just make sure he went shooting the day before or something. But these people are dumb and rushed, maybe.

Of course, in this case, he's held by Broward County, so we can be sure that all standard tests that would disprove their narrative aren't done.

Blogger Redpill Angel February 26, 2018 9:57 AM  

VD said: Except for the obvious mark on her arm at 1:34. Which she actually points

Ok, I see it now.

Blogger Crew February 26, 2018 9:57 AM  

This doesn't make a lot of sense though. Why not just keep your kid home for the day. Are cops really that dumb?

OK, I see this was discussed above ... should have read first.

Blogger RC February 26, 2018 10:03 AM  

If this event turns out as staged and dirty as seems likely, the perps will have to double and quadruple down to turn the nation's attention away. Get ready.

America must be a very rich nation to raze a $20-$40M+ building when <$50K could bring it back to previous condition.

Blogger Duh-ave February 26, 2018 10:08 AM  

Sperg notice: xm193 @ 100 yds = 2772 fps and 3165 fps @ muzzle. This stuff can penetrate brick walls and produce serious splatter damage to the shooter. There should be victim's blood and damage to the shooters unprotected skin at class room distances.

Blogger Blastmaster February 26, 2018 10:26 AM  

The father of lies and his unseen minions are coordinating the over-arching grand world-wide conspiracy of men.

Blogger John Favre February 26, 2018 10:38 AM  

Standard AR-15 rifles are chambered in 5.56x45mm NATO. This means that they can fire both that round and .223 Remington. Both Cruz and the local PD could feasibly use either caliber.

Blogger Ken Prescott February 26, 2018 10:38 AM  

Commenting with reading the post is in keeping with the highest traditions of Teh Interwebz.

Blogger tublecane February 26, 2018 10:39 AM  

@Howard Stone- "Flagger" would imply they carried out the attack. Fake victims or witnesses, or actual victims/witnesses who are tools of those pushing the Narrative, require a different nickname, I think.

Blogger Hammerli280 February 26, 2018 10:41 AM  

As others have noted, many police departments are issuing AR-15s or M-16s. Especially the latter, they have access to full auto that we tax peasants can't get (unless you have $20K and a year for paperwork).

And yes, this looks suspicious. I'm not sure about a false flag operation, but it reeks of a pre-packaged campaign looking for an excuse to be used.

Blogger Eleven Bang February 26, 2018 10:48 AM  

You can't have the cops kill the kid in a blaze of glory as this would undermine the current argument of the left which is that 'even a good guy with a gun can't prevent a shooting, ergo the only solution is to ban all guns.' This is why they are all defending the cop and arguing 'who wants to take on someone with an AR-15?'

The good guy with a gun argument has been a successful counter point to the ban all guns argument; this is the next step for the left, to try and shut it down.

Blogger Crush Limbraw February 26, 2018 10:53 AM  

There's a line in the movie "Second Hand Lions", where Robert Duvall tells the young boy that 'all people are basically good' - I almost gagged. That's a Satanic lie!
Anyone who believes that is a deceived fool who doesn't know history or himself. Those are the ignoramuses who believe the official narratives and do not see conspiracy.
If any Christian believes he's a good person, he is anti-Christ and a tool of Old Scratch!

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira February 26, 2018 10:54 AM  

"Gun experts, what rifle or carbine that is standard issue for the Florida police fires .223 Remington or 5.56x45mm cartridges?"

They most definitely have M16s and M4s in their arsenal, possibly others chambered for that round.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 10:57 AM  

Pure speculation: If the Truth ever comes out. It will be the shooter was a Muslim, supplied with police gear from the Hamas Deputy hanging outside the school when the shooting went down. The Hamas deputy was one of several deputies waiting outside to quickly clean up evidence and make it look like the kid did it.

This possibility is far more likely then all the contortions one has to believe to believe the Narrative. This Hamas deputy was training Muslims in shooting, and he was the major rep for CAIR in Florida.

Why a Muslim? Every Broward Sheriff's deputy is dirty, but only a Muslim could take on this task with glee and carry it out like an Op. We've seen constant examples of how easily and coldly a Muslim can kill innocent children. This was done by someone who was efficient and cold.

A CAIR deputy on staff, who trained other Muslims in shooting,and he just happened to be waiting outside while shooting was going down, coincidence?? I THINK NOT.

Blogger lowell houser February 26, 2018 10:57 AM  

Uh, all the info that I've seen said Cruz's AR was a special pistol cartridge 5.7mm upper. Do a search for "AR57". In terms of ballistics, .223 and 5.56 are interchangable. They literally fire the exact same bullets pushed by the same powder ignited by the same primer with only minor differences in the case design. .223 will fit inside a 5.56 chamber, usually not the other way around. Exception : a .223 Wlyde chamber is a special hybrid chamber design that feeds both but is a little on the tight side for NATO standard 5.56 ammo.

But back to topic at hand, kindly remember that it isn't just this school, it's Sandy Hook, it's the World Trade center, it's Oklahoma City.... basically ANYWHERE there's a big push to demolish the building in a hurry you can bet the government is somehow culpable.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 11:00 AM  

Why is the number one CAIR person in all of Florida working as a 50k a year deputy on the Sheriff's staff...Hmmm?

Blogger LES February 26, 2018 11:13 AM  

@118

Media Hogg?

Blogger Redpill Angel February 26, 2018 11:16 AM  

I forgot to say thank you, VD, for taking the trouble to look up the precise time when she points. I had to open it up on the ABC website on full screen to get her arm out from under the station logo.

Blogger Dire Badger February 26, 2018 11:18 AM  

Anchorman wrote:Cruz probably didn't put much thought, if any, into they characteristics of the AR or his ammo. In both cases, he could have gone with the cheapest option and lucked out by purchasing a sportster 1:9 and the cheapest ammo.

And if my kid was going to school on the day of a shooting, or even going to a school that there would be a shooting (if I didn't know the exact day), I'd keep him home, send him to a different school, or cyber school him.

I wouldn't send my kid into a deadly zone.


Unless you knew the shooter wouldn't target him, and all you were worried about were spalls and random shrapnel.

Blogger AaMcavoy February 26, 2018 11:21 AM  

The teacher described the geared-up shooter using a rifle she'd never seen before. Could be a bullpup rifle. The Secret Service uses ones in 5.56. Weren't they doing a drill at the Parkland school a few weeks before?

Just wild speculation on my part.

Blogger AaMcavoy February 26, 2018 11:24 AM  

Correction: the FN P90 doesn't use 5.56. My bad.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd February 26, 2018 11:27 AM  

Harambe wrote:OT (kind of): One of the few nice things about living in South Africa is I can find a refurbished FAL for under $1000.

Nice! I have several FALs because I got some parts kits back when they were being imported in great numbers. Add a DSA receiver and you have a FAL.

Blogger SciVo February 26, 2018 11:31 AM  

VD wrote:So, what's our new term for crisis actors?

Emergency entertainers.


Tragedy performers, camera hoggs... I don't think we'd run out of terms, but worst case people would eventually settle on something uncensorable like instagrams.

Blogger Dire Badger February 26, 2018 11:33 AM  

Crew wrote:This doesn't make a lot of sense though. Why not just keep your kid home for the day. Are cops really that dumb?

OK, I see this was discussed above ... should have read first.


Wearing a Vest for one day and being on-hand to tell your carefully rehearsed story to the media is a small price to pay for becoming an overnight celebrity selling book deals, public appearances, and having enough money to last you for the rest of your life.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener February 26, 2018 11:38 AM  

@47 One thing that immediately struck me about this shooting is that it appears to have been modeled after the 2012 Aurora shooting. Particularly unusual are the dyed red hair and the attempt to escape rather than kill as many people as possible or commit suicide.

Though I also have a fondness for shotguns, the AR is superior for combat/self-defense in most respects. One nice thing about a shotgun is the ability to use loads like 000 or #4 buck that aren't likely to penetrate into your neighbors' houses if you find it necessary to shoot in several directions.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener February 26, 2018 11:47 AM  

I'm thinking the story about the kid having the body armor is fake news. Just some lying journalist fabricating details to emphasize how unsafe kids feel because not enough gun control.

Blogger Jake February 26, 2018 12:15 PM  

Kudos, Vox, on being one of the few in the alt-right who dare to question the core of the official narrative here.

I am somewhat disheartened that more on the alt-right don't see through the obviously impossible stacking of statistical anomalies, and how that indicates that this was a case of "let it happen on purpose," bare minimum. More likely, this was an engineered mass casualty event. Anyway, God bless, and keep up the good work.

Blogger Jake February 26, 2018 12:16 PM  

@Noah B: I'm thinking the official story in toto is fake news, and that this was an Operation Gladio (domestic) type event. The facts as described by real eye-witnesses just don't add up.

Blogger Jeff Brady February 26, 2018 12:35 PM  

There seems to be emergency entertainers on all sides of this event, designed to create anger and maximize confusion about what really happened. I doubt we will ever know what really happened, but we will all be further divided in preparation for the civil war. Our shadow rulers want this. It will be the final excuse to put the hammer down as it were. No one will be safe from the final solution.

Blogger Crew February 26, 2018 12:36 PM  

Emergency entertainers

I prefer: School massacre thespians.

Blogger WATYF February 26, 2018 12:54 PM  

If it doesn't sound suspicious to you, then you are very stupid.

Meh. There are too many reasons to dismiss this.

First, as others have pointed out, if I had even a suspicion that something was going to happen at my son's school, I would keep him home. "An argument with the wife" wouldn't be nearly enough to make me even reconsider. But (speaking generally) why would I think my wife would even have an issue with it? Generally women are more overprotective of their kids than men, so even if I said that I just had a vague hunch that something was off that day, I don't see why the average mom wouldn't just go along with it just in case.

But whatever... maybe he has a poor relationship with his wife, or he's a coward, or maybe I'm giving the average husband too much credit.

We still have a second reason: The consequences you'd face if you ended up being right. You would have to explain to both your wife and your son that you had a hunch he was in serious danger, but instead of keeping him away from that danger, you put a band-aid on the problem and left him at risk.

Now that's an argument the average husband wouldn't want to have with his wife.

A father/son skip-day that just so happened to coincide with a shooting? You could explain it away as a coincidence and say you didn't know. Handing your son a bulletproof vest on the day of a shooting? Not so much.

Now, we can't discount the possibly that the cop was simply too stupid/weak to both properly prioritize his son's safety and consider the ramifications of his actions. It's not much more likely than the alternative though, since if he goes the vest route instead of the "keeping his son home" route (to avoid conflict or whatever) then we're already arguing that he was considering the potential outcomes of each option anyway, but hey, maybe I'm again giving people too much credit. Sure.

That still leaves us with the last reason: If we're not arguing that he was actually "in on it", but that he simply had a hunch because sometimes real events accompany drills, then what's suspicious about that anyway? The fact that real events sometimes accompany drills would be public knowledge (if that's the case) and if someone knew a drill was happening (be it a cop or school employee or just a parent who heard about it) they could take the same precautions that day on the off chance that something happened. Even if we assume that the cop only gave his son a vest on this one day instead of keeping him home and didn't think through what would happen if he ended up being right, it doesn't add any weight to the idea of a conspiracy unless we're also arguing that he had special knowledge that something was going to happen (i.e. he was in on it), which brings us back to questioning why he'd let him go to school in the first place.

WATYF

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 12:56 PM  

This is mainly pointing out the sear absurdity of the MSM Narrative. There is no way you can obsessively force it together, as there are dozens of loose ends. Even when you do force it together, training will tell pros that HARDENING THE TARGET is the obvious answer, and not gun-control. It does not matter if Cruz was the shooter or not, or if he was just one of the shooters. The answer concocted by actor-students and the MSM, simply does not solve the problem. Soft targets remain soft targets.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 1:02 PM  

BTW, the 9-11 Muslims spent their last several days in Broward County before going for the Twin Towers. Coincidence?? Ha!

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 1:07 PM  

There is no new division with this, BHO already divided us completely, and the Left is the ones pushing Identity Politics out the ying-yang. This is just the extra exposure of the Main Stream Mockingbird media and fellow travelers.

Blogger Crew February 26, 2018 1:34 PM  

@134: Exactly. The MSM lies so much because of Muh Narrative that you just know that every MSM report contains:

* At least one outright lie
* At least one omission of important facts
* At least one obfuscation of the truth
* And a few articles, conjunctions, etc.

Blogger Northwest Watching Thing February 26, 2018 1:39 PM  

"Kudos, Vox, on being one of the few in the alt-right who dare to question the core of the official narrative here."

My twitter has been on fire with counter-narrative theories. I follow a lot of alt-retards though, for better or worse. That may be the difference.

Blogger Duh-ave February 26, 2018 1:53 PM  

129. But the very similar FN2000 does take 5.56 Nato.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 1:59 PM  

Ah well, call it off, boys. Thomas Wictor on twitter says all you conspiracy theorists are ruining his life and eating all of his steak.
There’s no conspiracy, he says. All your questions are dumb because your not as smart as him and you just want to get on TV. Or he does. It’s a little hard to follow. His current standard answer to every question now is: “Because they always do!!!”
If that doesn’t make sense to you that’s because they always do.
No offense, Thomas Wictor.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 2:06 PM  

145. Rick

Yes, Thomas is looking very fragile.

Blogger VD February 26, 2018 2:07 PM  

There’s no conspiracy, he says.

THOMAS WICTOR IS CONTROLLED OPPOSITION!

Be sure and tell him that I said that.

This should prove a week or two of amusement.

Blogger Northwest Watching Thing February 26, 2018 2:12 PM  

Thomas Wictor: Blocked! I have no time for people who believe in conspiracy theories. Let me explain to you why. 1/347

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 26, 2018 2:18 PM  

@120 "'all people are basically good' - I almost gagged. That's a Satanic lie!"

This ties in nicely with an interview I was just listening to. Jordan Peterson was interviewed by a "Dutch" (from India) interviewer. (Very good and thoughtful interviewer though.) Peterson is describing that you have to "be a monster" -- that there is nothing moral about being a weak coward: "I'm moral" they pronounce of themselves, when they are just weak! "I can't be dangerous, I don't protect (on punish) anyone, because I'm moral." "No," says Peterson, "it's because you're a sniveling coward! Someone who is MORAL has -- and knows he has! -- the absolute ability to be a monster and CHOOSES not to!"

I find this is a useful 'bit' to use on weak Christians (churchians), who think self- or country-defense is immoral. Who think well of themselves since they are UNABLE to use violence when violence is appropriate. Peterson suggests he is making such waves with young men because he insists that all this 'rights, rights, rights' talk is not (and should be!) counter-balanced by responsibility, responsibility, responsibility -- which men crave (to have and to enact)!

You do not have a ability to BE moral, if you do not have the ability to be IMMORAL!

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 2:35 PM  

If it weren't for conspiracy theorists, he'd have no luck at all.

I object to "having questions" and "noticing patterns" and "odd behaviors" = having conspiracy theories. If one had them or didn't seems irrelevant and always should.
And I object to "because they always do!!!" as satisfying evidence of valid explanations and answers to "having questions".

Blogger Chris Mallory February 26, 2018 2:38 PM  

Noah B The Savage Gardener wrote:One nice thing about a shotgun is the ability to use loads like 000 or #4 buck that aren't likely to penetrate into your neighbors' houses if you find it necessary to shoot in several directions.

The only round that won't penetrate multiple sheet rock walls is birdshot.
https://www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-14-rifles-shotguns-and-walls/

Depending on what your neighbor's house is made of and how far away it is, they may be safe or they may not. In an apartment building, don't count on it.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 2:43 PM  

Wictor today submitted as evidence that the grazed woman was lying, a link to the police report. And A LOT of exclamation points and issues of Extra Dumb certificates. Sounds serious.
More importantly, case closed.

Blogger Blue88 February 26, 2018 3:02 PM  

Just a couple of things. I remember from my military and LEO training, especially the military, after firing off a couple hundred rounds, I couldn't get get rid of the stink of the gunpowder for a couple of days. I am sure it was just the residue in my nose, however, for a couple of hours after actually firing the weapon, you could smell it on my clothes.

The other thing that I noticed is that this kid posted an awful lot of pictures on social media of his guns, knives, so on. I can promise you that if he had them, there would be a lot of pictures of him posing in his cool helmet, vest and mask. He sure did like posting pictures on the web.

Blogger Ben Kurtz February 26, 2018 3:03 PM  

Just renewed my NRA membership, which I let lapse a few months ago.

They're not my favorite organization in all respects, but I generally respect their work and figured it was time to show my support. Now, especially, given that a number of craven, spineless organizations have sought to score cheap left-wing progressive points by "distancing" themselves from the NRA.

The mainstream press is deep in cloud-cuckoo land: They are making a big fuss over some shaved-headed attention-whore associated with the targeted high school amassing 950,000 Twitter followers in the past few weeks. 'More than the NRA!' they crow.

The NRA has probably 5,000,000 dues paying members at $30 to $40 each per year (sometimes they offer discounts) -- and probably a lot of additional folks joining / renewing right now in the wake of this latest news media storm. That's a lot more people showing a lot more commitment than a bunch of idiot tweets, clicks, likes and other such meaninglessness; naturally, then, every news account scrupulously avoids adding this interesting (if not crucial) piece of context!

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 3:12 PM  

154. Ben Kurtz

Someone figured out it costs about $15K to buy those bots for her account, and that's chump change for the Deep State.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 26, 2018 3:37 PM  

VD wrote:But if he's innocent why would Cruz plead guilty?

Because he's crazy, drugged, and brainwashed. He's been told, over and over, that he did this. For months before the event.

Indeed; even if you aren't willing to countenance mind-rape as a possibility it's rather indisputable at this point that there are coercive and deceitful methods to get a confession that "the authorities" have no problem using.

Blogger SciVo February 26, 2018 3:59 PM  

Crew wrote:I prefer: School massacre thespians.

Scripted victims... This is fun!

Blogger Robert What? February 26, 2018 4:13 PM  

This is a question I hate to ask because the terrible apparent answer is seeming more and more likely. Could it be that there are LEOs (the four deputies) who are so evil, so jaded that they would stand down while teenagers were being shot down simply because they were ordered to? Wouldn't the normal human reaction be (for an armed person) to say "f*ck the orders, I'm going in." If this is truly the case I see a violent revolution in our near future.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 26, 2018 4:18 PM  

RC wrote:If this event turns out as staged and dirty as seems likely, the perps will have to double and quadruple down to turn the nation's attention away. Get ready.
Oh, people will be PISSED if it turns out this is a staged event. I can think of few things that would prove "government isn't on your side" to such a large portion of people.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) February 26, 2018 5:15 PM  

13. rumpole5 February 26, 2018 5:30 AM
This is especially so when the physical evidence is carefully preserved and examined.



which is why it is essential that the school be demolished.

also note, if this were a False Flag, they had to insure that Cruz would be present on school grounds from which he had already been expelled.

also note, that whether the False Flag hypothesis is correct or not, shouldn't an FBI agent be extremely cognizant of the consequences of a mentally unstable teenager with a gun fascination could be?

the very fact that the FBI agent permitted a "foster child" with emotional issues in his care unfettered access to firearms is extremely disturbing.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger February 26, 2018 5:37 PM  

A sufficiently deep analysis of any event will result in an unmanageable level of detail. Much of this information will be meaningless, false, unprovable, or irrelevant. It is, therefore, essential for the critical investigator to confine himself to the useful details, the ones that will build an argument or rhetoric that is convincing or effective.

Sometimes, that will mean not pushing a theory that you believe is true, simply because the evidence will not convince your target audience. The competent philosopher knows that the best argument is the minimal one: the one that is sufficient to do the job, and avoid distracting additions. You can always make a separate case for your pet theory in a separate argument. Meanwhile, it pays to be parsimonious with your entities.

The key points I would abstract from this shooting and present to the public are:

1. The law enforcement agencies of Broward County, in conspiracy with the local school system and other governmental agencies, have been failing to enforce the law as a matter of policy.

2. This policy emerges from the doctrines of Cultural Marxism, which seeks to realize a universe that cannot exist: one in which everyone is in fact equal, and where "minority groups" cannot commit crimes in excess of their statistical allotment. Etc.

3. These policies and that ideology caused warnings about this shooter to be ignored, and erased the criminal record which should have been created by Cruz's previous actions. This criminal record would have prevented Cruz's purchase of guns because he would have failed the background check, an existing "gun control" law.

4. For an institution to fail its primary duty out of policy is a dire form of corruption. Ergo, this disaster is directly attributable to official corruption that was caused by Cultural Marxist (i.e. Democrat) ideology. That ideology must be eliminated, and any institutions contaminated by it must be cleansed. The political means for creating these changes exist: Donald Trump must receive complete cooperation from all officials we elect. An explicit rejection of Cultural Marxism is a requirement for anyone who is a candidate for public office, if he is to receive our vote.

5. The mainstream media have shown that they are also ideologically contaminated, and should never be believed. Their rhetoric about "gun control" is an attempt to make us into helpless victims of contaminated and corrupt institutions, and is discredited by the plain and obvious facts.

Yeah, it's boring. It doesn't give you that conspiracy theory frisson. But it would work.

Blogger SciVo February 26, 2018 6:42 PM  

Ha, just saw Liz Shield's locution "gun control spokeschild." Brutal. I doubt the possible variants of "crisis actor" are actually endless, but it's starting to feel that way!

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 6:49 PM  

About Thomas Wictor and some others.

The thing I've noticed with people like for instance Ann Coulter a few months ago is their are many role Players in this War. They do not all have to please me or my position on things, but they may have a positive position for red-pilling some I can not possibly reach, and they may even have functions I can not even understand, BUT THEY MAY NOT BE THE ENEMY.

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SLOWLY LEARNED.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 6:59 PM  

157. Sidehill Dodger

Why limit oneself. I've discussed two levels.

1) Simple. Gun control does not work, as soft targets are the problem, along with the Left narrative whole SJW thing.

2) The NWO is a conspiracy and even created Cultural Marxism and etc.

I see not conflict in either approach, and I think the second is a deeper, greater Truth.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 7:14 PM  

The simple levels are tactical and do not answer the overall problems.

Why are the Bush Family and the Clinton Family often on the same page, and seem to be in on the same sort of crimes can only be approached with an overall conspiracy of a Globalist/NWO type thinking, which is more stategic.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 7:23 PM  

tuberman, I genuinely like the guy. He gives logical articulate well thought out explanations. But he lets himself go off the deep end on well certain topics already covered. There’s something wrong with him which he can’t see (and plenty others do) and I think he is doing more harm then good when he loses his cool to that ALL CAPS degree. While simultaneously claiming the conspiracy theorists are making Trump’s job harder. I disagree with that. They’re keeping the story going and growing. Sure plenty of the questions raised are probably nothing. I’ll take that over no one asking anything.
Hell, I’d settle for the stack of normal things that occurred with this event being slightly taller than the stack of odd things about it. I haven’t reached any conclusions.
I get the role to play thing. But I think he’s a bully and can only stand to be the smartest guy in the room even if it means only sycophants allowed. I don’t know how that works for us.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 7:28 PM  

Also, I don’t think being merely reasonable works anymore in the Narritives War. The other side is not reasonable and we need to be just as unreasonable in the opposite direction. Like tug o war you’ll end up in the middle. Like the daily memes we need weaponized rhetoric. Maybe they’re the same thing.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 7:42 PM  

163. Rick

Have you noticed though that the Memes coming out have various levels. There are intense memes, and there are mild memes, meant for just giving normies a taste of the red-pill.

It just possible that Twitters like TW, Stealth Jeff, and the old Imperator_rex3 may be role players with a job to do. If I disagree with their take on "conspiracies" for example, I back off. I only go out to TW's Twitter about one every so often to see if he has interesting info on the Middle East, and do not attack him, or say anything for that matter, as long as he is pro-Trump.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 7:54 PM  

He’s definitely pro-Trump. That doesn’t necessarily make him correct about all approaches. I’ve given him compliments. But he hasn’t convinced me his approach is best. I think he’s turning off reasonable people. That seems like a blind spot. So I don’t mind letting him know with a little ridicule. He’s got a thin skin plus stubborn.

I’ve seen the memes. I wish I’d captured one the other day. I’m not sure it qualifies as a meme. Some posted a pic of the bald girl holding an Alinski book. It was the worst photo shop I’ve ever seen. She’s holding the book out in front of her with both arms outstretched. The pasted the book cover right over her fingers. I literally laughed out loud. It was the fingers I saw first.
However, I think the person who posted it thought it was real. I can’t tell. She blocked me when I gave her my reward for worst photoshop of the century. We’re in uncharted territory here. But it’s all inevitable.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 8:09 PM  

165. Rick

In a sense, what I'm saying is THERE MAY BE MULTIPLE VALID APPROACHES. Jeff Sessions is certainly a role player. I believe Ann Coulter is also. Likely, even the grey hat, Mueller is a role player.

People do not believe that the God Emperor is using various assets in such subtle ways to win, but these go a degree more subtle then even the NWO's controlled opposition.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) February 26, 2018 9:11 PM  

so far as government conspiracy goes, the was a worldwide CIA propaganda campaign purporting that the seabed was covered in valuable manganese nodules, being the justification for the construction of the Glomar Explorer and the cover story for raising a sunken Russian nuke sub.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBGoUYVDcSg

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 9:40 PM  

I find it hard to believe this bill was drafted this fast. It had to be on the shelf, waiting.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-democrats-introduce-bill-prohibiting-sale-of-semi-automatic-weapons/article/2650087

Blogger Looking Glass February 26, 2018 9:56 PM  

There are multiple levels to everything, however it probably needs to be thought of in Policy terms. All of those "wonk shops" exist to write White Papers that sit on a shelf for 10+ years until they're finally useful. You need different levels of Woke-ness for people to get into. You need the Bill Mitchells who will use /pol/ info in a digestible Boomer form, and then people at levels deeper.

This is actually the entire logical construction for the larger objectives of the Q strategy. Q is functionally a backchannel that drives a chunk of the Internet at this point, while at the same time it's creating an entire new generation of semi-spooks. It'll be fascinating when they shut down the Q operation and it just sits out there as legend. (And I'm sure I'm not the only one that's noted it's highly modeled on the John Titor or Cicada 3301 events.)

In a minor defense of Wictor, he gets the "I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens" level gadflies. They eventually get under his skin. If anyone knows the phrase "Lift Chasing", Wictor will always attack those types of conspiracy theories. And those types always show up to every event, either because they want attention or want to cause discord. I'm also sure there's a technical term for those types of people that was laid down in the late 1950s & then removed from all literature for the purposes of propaganda activities.

What we're dealing with here, however, isn't something that works well in really open forums. One needs a pretty strong ability to abstract their emotions when it comes to figuring out who would be running these types of Operations. There are 3 separate issues involved with just this event itself. 1) The Shooter(s), 2) the local institutions and 3) the Media Narrative. We already know #2 & #3 were pre-constructed to create or capitalize upon these events. With #2 being specifically designed to allow this stuff to happen. What we are trying to sort out is the details of the actual shooting, as that could expose how deep this specific event goes.


@167 Rick

Those anti-gun policy groups probably have 15 different versions just for the National level. That you can be sure about.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales February 26, 2018 10:24 PM  

"I'm not above a decent conspiracy theory once in a while. But I don't believe in some over-arching grand world-wide conspiracy of men (although I do believe there is a common "father of lies" that exists behind the conspiracies that do happen.)"

You probably don't believe in water being wet, the sky being blue, grass being green, North Korea being set up as a set piece to destroy American military might forever, and believe fluoride is good for you in the long run. XD

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener February 26, 2018 10:30 PM  

Zerohedge reporting that Cruz is developmentally disabled and that he was still learning to do household chores in his late teens.

No telling how long the feds have been working this kid.

Blogger Crew February 26, 2018 10:41 PM  

@167: I think they have misread the mood of the electorate.

That is a sure road to disaster because many, many people think that there are too many false flags going on.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales February 26, 2018 10:53 PM  

@120

And my childhood has just been ruined since that was one of the few movies that made me cry at the end... though, to be fair, I haven't watched it literally in years or over a decade at this point.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 11:20 PM  

168. Looking Glass

Yeah, It's amusing to go back and forth now between the likes of Lionel Nation and his Youtube "#QAnon Is Revealing a Vile, Inexplicable and Unspeakable Inhumanity That Will Shake You to the Core" or say his interview with Corsi, and then to go out to Wictor's or Drawandstrike's Twitters.

The Twitters go after one thing, the "shooting," and say everyone is insane that sees "patterns." Lionel Nation and Corsi go after overviews of everything.

I do get an interesting take from going after the shooting in a non-conspiracy way, as you can take the whole thing down without thinking any conspiracy in the usual sense.

Do I think there was/is a conspiracy? Yep! Patterns, even in just the Broward County episode.

SHOOTING TIMELINE:

2:19: Cruz arrives at MSD.
2:21: Shooting Starts.
2:28: Cruz exits with students.
3:21: SHOW-UP procedure.
4:27: Cruz taken to hospital.

-TWO minutes to put on tactical gear.
-SEVEN minutes to go “through all three floors, shooting several students and faculty inside the classrooms and hallways of the building,” CHANGE CLOTHES, & exit with students.

-Who identified Cruz in the show up procedure?
-Why was Cruz taken to a hospital? He wasn’t injured.

I'm sure TW could and would explain these away using whatever contortions it takes, but too many things are explained using strained connections. Too many this is possible, but not likely events = nope.

And, of course, it's not just this as a possible FF (or planned event), or all the other FFs. It's the pedophilia and so forth (I'm sure they would deny the thousands of arrests, and multiple shut-downs, but hey, that's a lot of denial). Why the December EO built around that?

There is no way to explain what is going on in the Wide World of Globalism without conspiracy.

Blogger Rick February 26, 2018 11:23 PM  

Thanks Tuberman and Looking Glass. Insightful.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 11:23 PM  

So how do the Twitters explain the Timeline? The school teacher is lying. Cruz showed up in regular cloths and left in regular cloths (no blood spatters, no problem, I guess).

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 11:28 PM  

These two have gotten so silly with their denials that they are either Gamma Ego invested, or they are purposefully playing "Devils Advocate" as a Role.

Blogger tuberman February 26, 2018 11:56 PM  

"he gets the "I'm not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens" level gadflies."

Yep, they show up all over, and some are crazies with their own esoteric attention getting crap, and some are shills looking to slide and distract.

The real conspiracies are even harder for some people to grasp as they apply to the majority of the "elites" that we were all taught as kids to look up to as leaders. DisneyWorld and FantasyLand, with every girl a princess. Yuck!

Blogger Looking Glass February 27, 2018 12:27 AM  

@177 tuberman

It's hard to change your assumptions about life, even when the bullet is lodged in your skull. We understand most Communists can't understand how evil the system is, even when it's killing them. That's just a higher degree of a natural human process.

The other thing is if you run in circles that are far more honest, none of this stuff exists within close proximity. That abstraction is how they actually pushed "Diversity!" so well. "It's good" and "it's over there".


As for the shooting, https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/968336474818142209

There were standing orders to not stop a shooter without a body camera? That's a REALLY interesting policy choice there.

As for the Shooting itself, let's assume for the moment the teacher was wrong and Cruz just had the claimed mask only. Eyewitness testimony and all that. The official narrative is that he pulled the weapons out of his bags in the stairwell, as a student saw him and was told to run (by Cruz). Cruz has to at least put the rifle together, as it was likely partially pulled apart, put on his mask & ammo holding gear, load the rifle, move to the fire alarm and then wait for the students to start rushing out.

With a good chunk of training & preparation practice, that's doable in 3-4 minutes, but that includes no walking. We now have to accept that a violent, confused Man had exquisite planning to pull this off, then just wanders off aimlessly for an hour with no plan of escape. Really?

Also, about his clothes on capture. It's not issues with powder I was noted. No sweat, no blood and no other debris. You're shooting up a place with walls. No sheetrock dust, at least?

Blogger SciVo February 27, 2018 1:47 AM  

What de la Cruz needs is a judge who is such a stickler for the prosecution disclosing all potentially exculpatory evidence that he will throw out the plea deal and demand the videos.

Blogger Rick February 27, 2018 6:47 AM  

Tuberman, I think there may be some fake conspiracy theorists injecting themselves into “conversations” to make the normals who have legitimate questions look like fellow absurd-level wackos.

RE esoteric writing, there are at least two types. One is to speak in code like a secret club of upper class elite nerds (or worse those acting to conspire) and the other kind is to protect the speaker and listener. Q seems to be the latter kind. Or at least that seems to be why he communicates the way he does. (There seems to be a few valid reasons he may be communicating the way he does). The simple Jesus fish in its original use (as I understand it - scratching the symbol in the sand between two strangers) was such a form of communication. And of course Jesus often had to speak at times in such an esoteric way.

Blogger Rick February 27, 2018 6:50 AM  

If it’s good enough for Jesus, it’s good enough for me.

If that isn’t a country music line it should be.

Blogger Rick February 27, 2018 8:50 AM  

Here is one that I penned this morning that I think has legs:
#HoggsDontSpringFromTheGround

Blogger budbrewer February 27, 2018 5:46 PM  

Years ago, (during the early days of the previous administration) after one of these "mass shootings of the month" that seemed vaguely suspicious, I was reading comments on-line to the official story in a well known newspaper. One commenter said, "I wonder if this is connected to Project Open Eyes, the CIA operation to program subjects to commit mass shootings with the goal of forcing the public to eventually demand gun confiscation." I read up on it a bit, and some pretty detailed explanations of the program, ostensibly from "insiders" seemed quite logical and plausible, as in, if I were the deep state, this is how I'd do it.

So the vague feeling back then of, "man, these shootings almost seem like some sort of plan," was given a name and even an outline. While the commenter seems in retrospect to have almost certainly been some sort of plant/shill, the information may well have been correct. Since then, through the intervening years all of the shootings that get publicized and are then followed by media circuses, and impassioned calls for "reasonable gun control" have certainly done nothing to diminish the plausibility of the idea.

My comment back then was something like, "Well, if one of these programmed 'shooters' pops up around me, I'm taking him out," which is the obvious solution. Indeed, as commenters have said, hardening the target, employing some armed guards, and arming selected teachers would put a quick stop to this, shall we say, puzzling trend of school shootings.

Blogger Will Brown February 28, 2018 1:10 AM  

Just in case Vox's question(s) about the rifle claimed to have been used haven't been redundantly satisfied enough, the following is from the Smith & Wesson website:

the M&P 15-22 (the AR15 pattern rifle chambered in .22 LR) is a gas blow back type action - cost: roughly $450

the M&P 15 is chambered in .223/5.56x45 NATO and is a gas impingement type action - cost: roughly $750

the M&P 10 is chambered in .308/7.62x51 NATO and is a gas impingement type action - cost: roughly &1,050

While all being superficially identical to a casual, untrained/inexperienced eye, none of them are offered as direct impingement actions, so any gunpowder residue would be expelled out the ejection port which is centered between and about 4" away from the shooters hands (irrespective of the shooter's "handedness"). There would be some aerosolized residue, but this typically doesn't leave much of a visible trace on the skin or clothing (depending on the type of ammo used - as noted, there are brands known for their "dirty" formulation, Wolf and Federal White Box being examples) in a decently ventilated shooting environment, especially if the shooter doesn't stand around in the cloud of exhaust gases.

Any of the three rifles above would sound impressively loud in an indoor environment. An experienced shooter would probably notice the difference when fired separately, and even an utter novice could tell them apart if they were fired simultaneous to one another.

Any experienced shooter of an AR-type rifle will know that shooting a "minute-of-man" target is relatively easy out to ranges of 50 yards or so even without aid of any type of sights (just keep looking down the barrel and pulling the trigger until your target drops). There are a number of "red dot" type sights as well as adjustable "iron" sights easily available for under $50 to anyone with the cash (not a restricted item).

My questions center around how the rifle was introduced to the scene by the shooter, followed by which of the three M&P rifles available for sale would an 18 year old unemployed individual be most likely to be able to afford (to include at least 100+ rounds of ammo and multiple magazines - the last at $15+ each on average)? Also, it has been reported that the shooter was removed from mental health treatment upon attaining the age of 18. How likely is it that such a person could be convinced (by either external voices or the ones in his head) that the solution to his health care needs is at the other end of a school shooting (which might also account for at least some of the many phone calls made by him to authorities)?

I don't think there can be any question that there are a number of contributing factors to this event. Unintended consequence rising from the criminal conspiracy between the school district officials and Sheriff's office to defraud government funds to the school district would seem to account for much of the behavior displayed by local officialdom, up to the point of shooting at least (S.O. first response being to form a perimeter instead of directly engaging the shooter until "experienced investigators" can arrive on scene to make the "correct" reports being yet another possible consequence). Not enough, I think, to explain all of the events though.

Hope readers here find any of this helpful.

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