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Friday, February 23, 2018

When help is needed, the police are hiding

That popping sound you just heard is the explosive end of the media's most recent failed trial balloon sent up to generate a groundswell of support for gun control. It has now been reported that the armed policeman whose job it was to guard Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, ran and hid rather than confront the accused gunman.
'He never went in': Parkland school's designated armed campus cop resigns as it emerges he 'HID' outside the school as 17 were killed.

A police officer who was on duty at a Florida high school and did nothing to stop gunman Nikolas Cruz when he started his massacre has been suspended. Deputy Scot Peterson, who was armed with a handgun, did not follow police procedure and immediately confront Cruz when he started his rampage killing 17 people with an AR-15 assault rifle, according to the Broward County Sheriff's department.

Instead he took cover at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School for upwards of four minutes and 'never went in ', according to Sheriff Scott Israel who said Peterson's actions left him 'Sick to my stomach. There are no words.' Israel added that the school resources officer should have have 'gone in, addressed the killer and killed the killer.'

 And in an interview with the New York Times, Coral Springs Officer Tim Burton revealed Peterson hid from Cruz when the teenager started shooting.

Burton said Peterson 'was seeking cover behind a concrete column leading to a stairwell,' because he was worried Cruz could be lurking in the lot. He said Peterson couldn't hear gunshots or screams to lead him to the precise location of the shooting.

Even more shocking was the revelation that Peterson had been told in 2016 about Cruz's Instagram posts about opening fire at a school. Call logs released by the Sheriff's Office show that on February 6 of that year, a neighbor's son called police and told them Cruz 'planned to shoot up the school on Instagram'.

The deputy who responded determined Cruz had knives and a BB gun and the information was forwarded to Peterson.
And here I thought hiding and waiting for backup is police protocol. Anyhow, it will be interesting to see if the disgraced deputy is ever interviewed, as one reason he hid might have been that he saw more than one shooter, as was reported by some students at the school. And it will be even more informative if the Deputy Peterson, reportedly unable to face his disgrace, commits Arkansas suicide with six shots from a nail gun to the back of the head inside a gym bag.

As is increasingly often the case with these high-profile mass shootings, the whole thing is beginning to stink of a manufactured crisis. Sure, perhaps Peterson was just a coward. Or perhaps he was called off. I very much doubt the media is ever going to inquire as to what actually happened.

Regardless, let's not hear any more talk about how brave the police are, ever again. Or even talk about how the police are being "militarized". It's an insult to the U.S. military.
Peterson was reportedly 'distraught' about the deadly shooting, but 'believed he did a good job,' president of the Broward Sheriff's Office Deputies Association said.  He believed he did a good job calling in the location, setting up the perimeter and calling in the description [of Cruz],' Jim Bell told the New York Post. 

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Blogger Ken Prescott February 23, 2018 6:12 AM  

It gets worse.

Trayvon Martin plays into this.

Dindu Nuffins ain't just for breakfast any more.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/23/broward-county-sheriffs-office-did-not-miss-warning-signs-or-make-mistakes/

Blogger Aeoli February 23, 2018 6:15 AM  

There's a part of me that sympathizes with this guy. He's probably a soft person and it's hard to react bravely when things go zero to sixty. But that's exactly why you can't let idiots take over your civic duty to provide for your own safety.

Blogger Aeoli February 23, 2018 6:18 AM  

I mean, most government folks aren't cut out for a cold shower, much less an active shooter.

Blogger Rick February 23, 2018 6:23 AM  

Next trial balloon:
“See?! Guns don’t protect you!!

I don’t know how long he’s been a “cop” but he’s been taking his paycheck under false pretenses.

Sherif said there’s a video and they may never release it. That’s the next trial ballon. They just broke it to you softly.

Blogger Wolfman at Large February 23, 2018 6:30 AM  

Trump needs to get this cop into protective custody ASAP.
He's a witness to a serious crime.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 23, 2018 6:31 AM  

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Blogger The Observer February 23, 2018 6:32 AM  

Long thread, but vital:

https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/966854507744374784

Broward County Sheriff deliberately ordered the police to ignore teenage crime for 6 or so years in order to get federal funding.

Blogger Salt February 23, 2018 6:38 AM  

These shootings are pure joy to the MSM, progressives, and Deep State. Ratings soar and the anti-gun Agenda is being pushed hard. They'll need another one soon to keep the pressure up.

Blogger Howard Stone February 23, 2018 6:38 AM  

There was another Scot Peterson in the news a while back. Peterson, the Broward Coward, remains under house arrest guarded by six police officers. Zimmerman should have been there.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 23, 2018 6:38 AM  

I agree "cop" has to go into quotes here.

This guy clearly had zero training and less supervision. Also there was only one of him. "Bare is back without brother to warm it." If want armed security in the schools you need at least three guys and one supervisor. In other words a fire team.

One armed mall ninja with a Deputy's badge is not serious attempt at security.

I guarantee you that for his first week on the job he was Joe Vigilant and probably would have tried to confront a shooter.

But by week three he was spending all his time flirting with the school secretary.

Blogger SteelPalm February 23, 2018 6:39 AM  

It's a bad sign when the best interpretation is that this cop is an incompetent coward who hid while students were being slaughtered.

Blogger tz February 23, 2018 6:42 AM  

The most important thing to the police is getting home safe at night, even to the point that the sound of velcro is the sound of relief (removing the boy armor).

This was probably a good thing as the cop might have felt "in fear of his life" and shot more kids than the crazy 19 year old did.

OpenID markstoval February 23, 2018 6:43 AM  

I am a teacher. If allowed to carry at school, I would kill the perp(s) or die in the attempt. At our private school, we had the main trainer of the local police come and talk to us about safety of the children. His boy went to our school at the time.

This policeman maintained that we would all be far safer if we were all armed. I agree with him.

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 23, 2018 6:44 AM  

My own view has been that this whole thing was exceptionally well organized from the start. The #NeverTrump Cucks were read in and the high school kids are being organized in a way that just doesn't happen simultaneously. I had suspected Nanny Bloomberg. But this effort has been too effective for that. I agree with Clarke's suspicions.

I'm smelling Soros.

Blogger Howard Stone February 23, 2018 6:46 AM  

@Cataline, when’s the last time you’ve been in a high school? No one’s flirting with the secretaries, lol. The art teacher maybe.

Blogger Ken Prescott February 23, 2018 6:56 AM  

@15

Back in my high school days, it was the librarian; she was smoking hot once she undid the bun and took off the granny glasses.

Blogger Man of the Atom February 23, 2018 7:00 AM  

I wouldn't attend the "March for Our Lives" on Mar 24 in DC if the FL event was Soros orchestrated, and I'd watch closely for "tragic" coincidences at any of the typical gun grabber events. TPTB appear to be getting panicky.

Blogger Rick February 23, 2018 7:03 AM  

The sheriff said something like “there’s a video and it’s part of the investigation [of the deputy].... It may never be released.”

Why did he add that last part? That was unnecessary, wasn’t it? Was that a threat or a signal for you to demand it.

This word “investigation”, lately. It’s like a magic word. It conceals.

I don’t want to be so paranoid this early on a Friday. But that statement was weird.
Why or how would releasing it affect an investigation?

Blogger Not a lefty February 23, 2018 7:12 AM  

'Regardless, let's not hear any more talk about how brave the police are, ever again. Or even talk about how the police are being "militarized".'

The police are being militarized. They're just going after easy, soft targets.

You can't compare the military with the police in events like this. You can't even compare great military heros - true ass kickers - with the later in life, married with children versions of themselves.

This is not any defense for this coward deputy, but it's clear that getting home at night and the pension are the highest priorities. No amount of wasteful spending on armed school guards will change that.

We need to change the meaning of gun free zone to mean free to carry zone.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore February 23, 2018 7:13 AM  

@7 THANK YOU!!!! I was reading that earlier. Here is another article from Sundance about this issue. In my opinion, this is the REAL story. And note the relationship of that policy to the Federal Department of Education under the Obama administration. This is a classic example of SJW convergence. Also of note is how Sundance came across this - researching the case of Trayvon Martin.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/02/19/school-shooting-was-outcome-of-broward-county-school-board-policy-now-local-and-national-politicians-weaponize-kids-for-ideological-intents/

Blogger Looking Glass February 23, 2018 7:14 AM  

The "response" has been far too coordinated. It means they had prepped and were waiting for the opportunity. What I think we're seeing is what they'd been working on developing for several years: there are school districts across the country this could happen in because of the intentional removal of systems to prevent attacks like this.

Given how quickly this has fallen apart, and the over-reach, this looks like something developed for the Clinton Administration that they still went forward with. Much like with Sandy Hook, they were ready to run up a new "Gun Control" push, but something went wrong on the ground really quickly.

Cruz should have bought a lottery ticket. With just how many things went "right" for him to avoid being stopped, he could have easily won the Powerball lottery.

The response was pre-planned, probably years in advance. I would assume 2013/2014. Given the timeline that CTH has laid out, that looks about correct. They just needed for an event to happen, but that meant creating as many opportunities as possible. This doesn't look like a proper Intelligence Agency operation, as their higher-level objectives are already countermanded and the real story is going to rip through everything they're up to.

I agree: this stinks of the Soros Network. They've never been very competent, but they've bought off enough locals to be unopposed. Looks a lot like the Charlottesville hit job, as well.

Blogger Looking Glass February 23, 2018 7:17 AM  

@18 Rick

Shooter isn't dead and will stand trial for his murders. So, there is technical issues with regard to criminal process and poisoning the jury pool. The Sheriff would be hiding behind that explanation if asked, however it's clearly a message for people to keep quiet.

We're in full-scale CYA mode with the locals. All of the local authorities will, quite helpful to the masters, cover their own butts instinctively. It makes their fingerprints impossible to prove.

Blogger tuberman February 23, 2018 7:18 AM  

This guy sounds like an armed security guy merely deputized for appearances. If that's true, most of his "training" would be paper work quiz material with one or two outings to a target range.

This "shooting" stinks to the very root, as nothing has been revealed. People killed = likely, but how many? 17? We do not know with massive coverups going on now.

Mainly just a movie = even more likely. Will we ever see the Truth?

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 23, 2018 7:23 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:I guarantee you that for his first week on the job he was Joe Vigilant and probably would have tried to confront a shooter.

But by week three he was spending all his time flirting with the school secretary.


This. Every time I hear about the notion of having an armed guard or two at every school I think about just how quickly they'd go from hyper-vigilant bad asses to Barney Fife.

No real bad ass, or even very competent dude is going to want a job where he hangs around school all day and NOTHING happens; year after year. Complacency would set in VERY fast and the job would be filled by the guy nobody wants doing real work.

I don't know if that's exactly how the school resource officer positions work right now, across the US, but I suspect I'm not far off the target in most places.

Also, schools (i.e. principals, many women, of course) have been known to outsource all their disciplinary issues to the SRO, which leads to disaster. The SRO then starts handcuffing 7 year old kids, etc.

Blogger Howard Stone February 23, 2018 7:25 AM  

@Looking Glass, there will be no trial, suspect will plead no contest, or be deemed ineligible for a criminal trial due to low IQ or mental health.

Blogger mgh February 23, 2018 7:25 AM  

When the local Sheriff pledges to make improvements so this doesn't happen again, you can be sure the improvements will include the discarding of all evidence of calls and tips from the public. Same thing will probably happen with the FBI. No emails, no trail of evidence, so in the future there can be no contradiction of the official narrative. Just some random enemies of the state claiming they called in a warning.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore February 23, 2018 7:26 AM  

Here is a Twitter thread by @rising_serpent which identifies additional weird things about the shooting. The sources used include NYT, Daily Mail, NBCMiami.


https://twitter.com/rising_serpent/status/966870132516671488

Blogger Cataline Sergius February 23, 2018 7:26 AM  

tuberman wrote:This guy sounds like an armed security guy merely deputized for appearances. If that's true, most of his "training" would be paper work quiz material with one or two outings to a target range.


Close enough. He was a 54 year old deputy, who had been made the School Resource Officer.

Basically a busted down, old ass geezer who had been given a cushy assignment where he could ride out the clock until his pension kicked in.

Blogger Howard Stone February 23, 2018 7:27 AM  

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Blogger Robert Browning February 23, 2018 7:27 AM  

He did do a good job. Every person has a personal responsibility and a personal duty to protect themselves from danger. The cop is still alive because he wasn't foolish enough to risk his life for the sake of some strangers. Not all cops are stupid.

Blogger Rick February 23, 2018 7:30 AM  

I get that Looking Glass, but the jury pool is already poisoned, no?, by the selective release of narrative?
I mean, I get to watch this nice video of the sherif telling me his side of the story.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore February 23, 2018 7:31 AM  

@21 The gun control narrative being pushed is getting buried by all this other stuff that is coming out. Pardon the expression but it is possible that in the days following the shooting, the Leftist operatives blew their entire load and nothing is left over. Now is the time for elements in support of an alternative narrative to take the stage. If this is true then there's nothing left in the tank for the gun control operatives.

Blogger JACIII February 23, 2018 7:34 AM  

Chickenshit cop should have embraced his toxic masculinity.

Back when CCW was first implemented a lot of company (east coast) officers were implementing rules to monkey wrench employee CCW. I was a union thug for a time then and we had meeting with a fancy Connecticut HR guy to discuss a company rule that was a state CCW law violation. He became exasperated at one point and deigned to inform us we don't need our guns to protect ourselves in the event of a workplace shooter.

Me: "Fine, tell us what you, "Mr. Shiney Suit", are going to do if somebody is coming after you with a gun."

Mr Shiney Suit: "I don't need a gun. I have this!" and whipped out his flip phone.

One of my hillbilly coworkers laughed, "Good God. I'm just a dumb ol' hillbilly, but I never seen somebody so dumb in my life. Tell you what; Go on. Dial your little phone. And we'll see if I can't beat you to death and throw your scrawny ass out that window before the cops get here. Hell, I'll be half way home and drunk before they show up"

It was an eye opener for Mr Shiney Suit.

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 23, 2018 7:36 AM  

Howard Stone wrote:@Duke, they should put SWAT on a rotating schedule or something like that.

Yes, the only possible way to get an effective force that doesn't get complacent and stale is to rotate through on a pretty short basis. But that complicates a lot of things for the P.D., no doubt, and would require higher manning levels and doesn't let them just find some schlub to fill the spot and forget about it.

And would this continue to be maintained, year after year? When budget constraints start to pinch and nothing has happened, people will start to rationalize.

This all goes to the point that the only long term solution is to arm people who work in the school and have a close relationship with the kids and will not shy from protecting them. Someone like that guy who threw himself in front of kids in this latest event.

Even that isn't going to be perfect, by any means. But if it's the deterrent value that will really pay off.

Blogger Rick February 23, 2018 7:36 AM  

Robert Browning, if he’d have said at his job interview “I’ll stand around, but if a shooter comes...deal off.” They’d have hired him? Seems that would have been an irresponsible thing to do.
Which is why I say “false pretenses.”

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 23, 2018 7:36 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:Basically a busted down, old ass geezer who had been given a cushy assignment where he could ride out the clock until his pension kicked in.

This is my surprised face.

Blogger Tamaqua February 23, 2018 7:37 AM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:If want armed security in the schools you need at least three guys and one supervisor. In other words a fire team.

One armed mall ninja with a Deputy's badge is not serious attempt at security.


You know damned well that the school board, the principal, and the teachers don't want a fire team and some former grunt telling THEM how to do security, counterterrorism, or intelligence ops. They'd have to pay far above minimum wage and have to listen to someone who didn't go the Snowflake U about how the real world works. They got exactly the level of "security" they were willing to pay for.

Blogger Looking Glass February 23, 2018 7:43 AM  

Al From Bay Shore wrote:@21 The gun control narrative being pushed is getting buried by all this other stuff that is coming out. Pardon the expression but it is possible that in the days following the shooting, the Leftist operatives blew their entire load and nothing is left over. Now is the time for elements in support of an alternative narrative to take the stage. If this is true then there's nothing left in the tank for the gun control operatives.

As Q likes to say, these people are stupid. They've not had any coordinated counter response because everyone has been bought off. Social Media messed them up. Learning how to win messed them up. Trump is the Mule and they're still running off scripts written years ago.

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 23, 2018 7:45 AM  

Anybody who simplistically thinks that it's as simple as "let's just get veterans (or others) to be armed guards at schools" needs to speak with somebody who has supervised military troops who have stood security duty at bases. Whether it's gate duty or guarding nukes, it's a mind numbingly boring job, and complacency sets in VERY fast. It takes some motivated supervision to break that and do an effective job. And you're not going to do it with just a couple of guys per school, much less one.

Blogger Looking Glass February 23, 2018 7:46 AM  

@34 Duke Norfolk

Not being a Free Fire Zone will act as a basic deterrent anyway. It'll also mean in non-Urban campuses, students will have weaponry in their cars again. Several attacks on colleges have been stopped by someone running to their car & returning with a hand gun.

Blogger CM February 23, 2018 7:50 AM  

When people ask what could have been done if FBI had "followed protocol" on this, I think they could have set up undercover personnel on the campus under threat to engage immediately if a truly unarrestable Cruz showed up.

Blogger Looking Glass February 23, 2018 7:51 AM  

@39 Duke Norfolk

It's the "Free Fire Zone" aspect of Schools that makes them such an appealing target. It's specifically why Joe Biden established them as Murder Rooms. An unknown amount of counter-force always available will change things, as it always does. That's only step one.

Step Two is forcing the government & media to call the shooter some insulting name in all appearances. "Stupid McStupidFace-004 was arraigned today...". Prevent the media from doing their glamorization moves and literally mock the shooters for the rest of their lives with an insulting name.

It's actually a Biblically approved method. (See: Nabal)

Blogger Nate February 23, 2018 7:53 AM  

And trump is blaming video games. Man Vox I know you say he isn't stupid but he sure says some reliably stupid things.

Blogger CM February 23, 2018 7:53 AM  

We need more male teachers willing to arm themselves and an administration who let's them. Bring back male teachers! Bring back dangerous masculinity.

Blogger Chris Lutz February 23, 2018 7:54 AM  

@34 There's no way to afford real security at every school unless you want to turn them into a few, large centralized buildings which leads to other issues. So I agree that arming the teachers is really the only option. If ten are armed but only three act, it is still better than relying on one deputy.

BTW, how does a guy think he is setting up a one man perimeter at a school? I could understand if he had the shooter cornered in a room.

The thing is is you don't have to win the gun battle to win the war. You simply have to keep the shooter distracted on you. It's like they found in WWII. The AA guns on the merchant ships weren't and didn't have to hit attacking aircraft. Simply their shooting reduced the accuracy of the enemy planes.

Blogger Unknown February 23, 2018 7:56 AM  

It's an insult to the U.S. military.

You mean that self-esteem cult for women, the one that does a bang-up job of insulting America by making it easier for the enemy to defeat it with each passing hour?

Blogger tuberman February 23, 2018 8:04 AM  

Looking Glass wrote:Al From Bay Shore wrote:@21 The gun control narrative being pushed is getting buried by all this other stuff that is coming out. Pardon the expression but it is possible that in the days following the shooting, the Leftist operatives blew their entire load and nothing is left over. Now is the time for elements in support of an alternative narrative to take the stage. If this is true then there's nothing left in the tank for the gun control operatives.

As Q likes to say, these people are stupid. They've not had any coordinated counter response because everyone has been bought off. Social Media messed them up. Learning how to win messed them up. Trump is the Mule and they're still running off scripts written years ago.


Al and LG,

The CTH article by Sundance alone is making this all look very stupid, with much more to come.

Q has suggested that there are now 20 million people in the USA solidly woke, and when that reaches 35-40 million it will be game over.

Blogger Tamaqua February 23, 2018 8:06 AM  

Duke Norfolk wrote:Whether it's gate duty or guarding nukes, it's a mind numbingly boring job, and complacency sets in VERY fast. It takes some motivated supervision to break that and do an effective job.

You've got to pay them enough to give a shit, and you have to treat them with respect instead of one step above the janitor who mops up the puke. That is the real problem. The school bureaucracy has no intention of sharing their power or their money with the Dirt People who would form the school security in a real sense.

And "hire vets" isn't a real answer either. One, most vets are not former combat arms, they're pogues. Former Airman Mo'neeshia who pushed paper around isn't the same as former LCpl Shmuckatelli who retook Fallujah.

Two, those skills are rapidly lost. Unless they want to pay for continual, realistic and expensive training.

Blogger Rick February 23, 2018 8:06 AM  

Security could be federally granted, (grants) mandated, audited, and funded. Vetted, local security. We federally fund every other cockamamie thing.
We can let this deputy off (if he’s innocent) but the quals need to change.

Blogger Robert Browning February 23, 2018 8:09 AM  

Rick wrote:Robert Browning, if he’d have said at his job interview “I’ll stand around, but if a shooter comes...deal off.” They’d have hired him? Seems that would have been an irresponsible thing to do.

Which is why I say “false pretenses.”


Show me. Show me where the security guy agreed to risk his life in exchange for pay. You can not ask anyone to do that. Everybody has a right to life even that security guy you and all others want to shame for wanting to protect himself from danger.

Blogger Rick February 23, 2018 8:10 AM  

“He did a good job.”

What?

Companies do not exist to employ people.

Blogger Rick February 23, 2018 8:13 AM  

Show me? Show me a picture of his uniform. If people think he’s a cop, they rightly think he’ll protect them.
That’s why they hired a cop!

Quals need to change. Obviously.

Blogger Koanic February 23, 2018 8:15 AM  

Cowardly cop? Must be a conspiracy!

Blogger Howard Stone February 23, 2018 8:16 AM  

@Robert Browing, every time an officer puts on a uniform he is making himself a target and risking his life, having said that, Peterson hid from his destiny, his fate, he will live the rest of his life in the shadows of shame and guilt.

Blogger Jimmy February 23, 2018 8:20 AM  

Any school resource officer that is mentally prepared to defend the children with deadly force would be disciplined for a poor attitude and removed as scary or unstable. There can’t or at best very seldom can someone be nice and deadly at the same time.

It is too much of a shock to the mind. They tell the officer to smile and be friendly day in day out; then in a moment the officer could be expected to kill. This is why the ancients had rituals, to set one apart and set the mind to the task. It can be as simple as wearing hat at all times when armed, it set the mind.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 23, 2018 8:33 AM  

I'll bet the Broward Coward did a bang up job selling tickets to Israel's fund raising dinners.

If you read the CTH's research into the schools in that Democratic Party pisshole county then Vox's statement that Americans would rather give up their schools than their guns is closer by the day.

Blogger Nate February 23, 2018 8:34 AM  

"There's no way to afford real security at every school unless you want to turn them into a few, large centralized buildings which leads to other issues. "

Have you ever been in a school? They are all large centralized buildings. Providing security is very simple. You lock all the doors but one and put 5 guys with M4s at that door.

Blogger Chris Lutz February 23, 2018 8:38 AM  

@50 Of course he was expected to risk his life if a shooter appeared at the school. Otherwise, why is he there and armed? He had a job to do and he failed, miserably. By default, we give cops, even one's at schools, more authority than your average citizen. You don't get that authority without more responsibility and a duty to act appropriately as the situation demands.

Blogger ace February 23, 2018 8:40 AM  

As civil society decays the police will begin to view the population more as a foreign element to be wary of rather than their own people in need of protection. If the officer thought even for a moment 'these are my people's then even the most cowardly man one day from retirement is probably going to try to do something. If for no other reason than he knows he will have to face his own people in failure.

This is why people viewing problems with police and government as solvable with policy changes at the department level are totally wrong. As we see here it doesn't matter what your laws or policies are. You can't legislate water to flow uphill.

Blogger tuberman February 23, 2018 8:41 AM  

The whole setup in Broward County is so full of corruption, even in their "policies," it does not even need a conspiracy to bring this all down, but there may have been a conspiracy anyway. Just the CYA stuff and looking the other way is completely Damning, but the connections of those three main actors does not give good optics:

Sheriff Israel with strong connects to HRC and DWS.

Supervisor Runcie with connections to a brother who is connected to Loop Capital and the Department of Education (and $5 billion in missing school loans).

Also, Hogg's dad, an FBI agent who moves around a lot and just happened to be at this school when it all came down (he's moved around the world earlier, I believe, why?)

Blogger tuberman February 23, 2018 8:44 AM  

"Must be a conspiracy!"

Ones thing is for sure, the above IS THE MAJOR MSM TALKING POINT. So why use it??

Blogger Cassandros the Elder February 23, 2018 8:44 AM  

Public "servants" are not voluntarily going to put their lives on the line. Isn't that what they're taught in academy? Someone could sue the sheriff deparment, but they are probably only liable up to their insurance limits, and that won't improve behavior. Much better to hire a private firm for school safety or, even better, arm some teachers. Teachers actually have skin in the game because they're targets, too.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 23, 2018 8:46 AM  

Don't forget that deranged boy in that school's CNN glee club, Kasky, his father is an adoption lawyer.

Blogger McChuck February 23, 2018 8:48 AM  

Remember - the #1 priority of the cops is to go home safely. Not to do their jobs, not to defend the helpless from predators, not to ensure justice, not to put themselves in harms way. Cops either shoot first, or run away.

Blogger The Pepe report February 23, 2018 8:49 AM  

Yeah just thinkin im kind of upset with myself...media puts a camera in front of crying woman and then i start talking about banning guns. Good thing im not in charge.

Blogger Howard Stone February 23, 2018 8:50 AM  

Assign members of the national guard to protect schools. Count it as armed service. Rotate them in and out.

Blogger Looking Glass February 23, 2018 8:51 AM  

Part of the school seems like central casting for media ghouls. Maybe this was as much of a Demon on Demon violence as anything else?

Blogger Johnny February 23, 2018 8:51 AM  

>>This guy sounds like an armed security guy merely deputized for appearances.


>> That is the real problem. The school bureaucracy has no intention of sharing their power or their money with the Dirt People who would form the school security in a real sense.

I would like to know how much money they pay the guy. If it is not that much then he is probably there for appearances. Still, surely he could have done a little better.

My amateur opinion is that success is getting the drop on the other guy, and most likely produced by a couple of conceal carry people. If I were the shooter the first person to catch a bullet would be the armed guard.

And if we are to have an informed opinion as to how to do school security, observe what they do in Israel.

And it does seem like we have become a society not much interested on an official level in protecting itself. Our new age dysfunction. You don’t get behavior you don’t reward and we are not much into heroism any more. Hey, was he a racist? A sexist? Got to focus on the important stuff. Right?

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer February 23, 2018 8:52 AM  

Anybody who simplistically thinks that it's as simple as "let's just get veterans (or others) to be armed guards at schools" needs to speak with somebody who has supervised military troops who have stood security duty at bases. Whether it's gate duty or guarding nukes, it's a mind numbingly boring job,

I worked in a secure facility that had MPs manning checkpoints checking credentials. In fact, I was in the same company as they were, and to a man they hated it. Everyone of them had in paperwork requesting to go some place else.

Blogger JACIII February 23, 2018 8:54 AM  

Tamaqua wrote:Duke Norfolk wrote:Whether it's gate duty or guarding nukes, it's a mind numbingly boring job, and complacency sets in VERY fast. It takes some motivated supervision to break that and do an effective job.

You've got to pay them enough to give a shit, and you have to treat them with respect instead of one step above the janitor who mops up the puke.


No. They have to come from a pool of people who already give a shit. Parents/Grandparents, uncles, cousins. Skin in the game.
And they must have separate chain of command. Not the school board. Not the state. Something scary to bureaucrats like the Marshals.

Blogger ace February 23, 2018 8:55 AM  

My theory is that T is not a master of policy, but he isn't afraid to put his opinions on the line. He may even do so in an inflammatory fashiom intentionally, or otherwise. Either way when he is wrong he has a rich harvest of nerds stepping in to ackshually him, at which point he can select the best from among them. I believe this because he tends to land on a good position regardless of his initial or intermediate positions. It is impossible for one man to know everything, but one thing Trump doesn't lack is people telling him why he is wrong.

Blogger Unknown February 23, 2018 8:57 AM  

What adds to the suspicion on these shootings is they keep taking place in conservative areas. We know liberal areas have more psychologically damaged people than conservative ones, so we should see shootings in heavy blue areas. Even if the shooting location is blue - like Pulse Night club - it still happens in a red area.

Maybe there is a non-conspiratorial reason, or, these incidents happen in red areas in order to scare the Americans who actually understand guns, are not reflexively afraid of them, and know why the 2nd amendment exists.

~ Durandel

Blogger Johnny February 23, 2018 9:03 AM  

I have been reading stuff over at Second City Cop website. A lot of it is cop complaints. But still and all, the way we treat cops the wonderment is that we get as much performance as we do. The way things play out the less you do the safer you are, both from the bad guy and from society at large. Be the hero and it if doesn't go well, expect to be sued, fired, and maybe jailed.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 23, 2018 9:14 AM  

@34 "This all goes to the point that the only long term solution is to arm people who work in the school and have a close relationship with the kids and will not shy from protecting them. Someone like that guy who threw himself in front of kids in this latest event."


Isn't it Larry Correia who says: speed bumps -- armed teachers/staff are speed bumps to 'slow the traffic' until the troops arrive?

(Always assuming the troops actually ENTER THE BUILDING!)

Blogger Mr.MantraMan February 23, 2018 9:15 AM  

Basically I'm reading a bunch of old gray haired conservatives ghost dancing for their Gen X or Boomer America school system crossed with the old standby taliman, Teh Gunz.

Screwls in America are cat lady ran institutions more akin to low security penal institutions.

Blogger Bernard Blank February 23, 2018 9:19 AM  

Set up a perimeter? A one man perimeter? How's that work?

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 23, 2018 9:19 AM  

@36 "Basically a busted down, old ass geezer who had been given a cushy assignment where he could ride out the clock until his pension kicked in."

And yet -- what do you DO with a cop nearing the end of his "usable life"? You want a busted-down, old-ass geezer as YOUR partner while you ride around the mean streets fulls of thugs? Or do you feel some loyalty to a guy who spent his working life -- just as you're going to? -- protecting the back of your brother officers?

When a racehorse gets too old to compete, they don't usually SHOOT him! They throw him out to pasture. What the hell ELSE is "School Resource Officer" except a pasture for the old guys?!

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 23, 2018 9:22 AM  

(Are all you guys slurring this and other such cops suggesting they should NOT get pensions? How about old soldiers? Do THEY have to stay on the front lines when they get too old to protect themselves and their brothers? Or do we find them a sinecure in training or admin to 'spin out their time' till retirement. You okay with that for soldiers but not cops?)

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 23, 2018 9:26 AM  

@52 " If people think he’s a cop, they rightly think he’ll protect them."

Guess you missed the SUPREME COURT ruling that cops DO NOT HAVE a responsibility to protect a citizen. Period. (What people THINK, and what is actually true are in no way related! MPAI!)

Blogger YIH February 23, 2018 9:28 AM  

Generally I now regard Rod Dreher as one would regard a wreck on the side of an interstate: You don't want to look, but somehow you're compelled to.
But every so often the blind squirrel does find a nut: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/our-culture-death-wish-shooting-guns/
Well, I believe that this country’s large number of gun massacres does have something to do with gun availability, but I also believe that there is something terrible about American culture. I don’t have a clear theory — does anybody? should anybody claim to? — but I want to offer a few thoughts toward one.
Yeah, despite the name of the publication he writes for and his own self-styling, he has written several times that he favors ''gun control'', then throws out stuff like: Here’s what I can’t figure out: I grew up in a rural hunting culture, where guns were, and are, widely available. Nothing like this ever happened. to suggest that he's just a good 'ol down-home boy from Louisiana and not the rootless cosmopolitan soyboy with problem glasses that he actually is.
Stella Morabito discusses the way we educate kids today is designed to inculcate mental instability. Excerpts:
1. The Size and Model of Mass Schooling Is Alienating
Back in 1929-30, there were about 248,000 public schools in the United States, according to the National Center for Education Statistics. How many today? Far less than half. By 2013-14, the number had shrunk to 98,000.
When you consider that the U.S. population nearly tripled in that timeframe, there’s no question this factory model of schooling has grown exponentially. The numbers speak to the intense bureaucratization of a public school system that is becoming more centralized with less local control, packing ever-larger numbers of students in one place.
The natural effect is an emotional malaise that fuels a sense of confusion and detachment. I believe the sociologist Emile Durkheim coined the term “anomie” to describe this sense of isolation. Even the physical architecture of public schools is getting more estranging. They tend to be larger and more looming, almost blade-runner-like in their effect of shrinking and sequestering individuals to irrelevance.

I think there's something to that, huge, hulking publik skools (the student population was 3,158 in '15-'16) are dehumanizing. More than a few colleges aren't that large, and they typically an entire Police Department of their own!
That not to excuse the cop chickening out, not at all, but a publik skool of over 3100 students is gotta be a pretty large building, why just one ''school resource officer'' (I despise that term, nothing wrong with ''cop'', that's what it was) for that? Even if he did his job properly, that's some distance to travel on foot from wherever he was to the scene of the shooting.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 23, 2018 9:30 AM  

@66 "Assign members of the national guard to protect schools. Count it as armed service. Rotate them in and out."

And when some of them turn out to be pedos -- or just guys who like dating 16-yr-olds? (Hell lots of them aren't much older!)

It's NEVER that easy!

Blogger Johnny February 23, 2018 9:34 AM  

Unknown wrote:What adds to the suspicion on these shootings is they keep taking place in conservative areas.

In the US the very liberal areas are the big cities and upscale suburbia. A lot of the big city schools are in lockdown already, kind of like going to jail when you attend. And the rich suburbs? Maybe they have more resources to deal with stuff and avoid this violent stuff for that reason?

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 23, 2018 9:36 AM  

@80 "(I despise that term, nothing wrong with ''cop'', that's what it was) for that?

"Cop" is racisssss -- black thugs doan LIKE cops, so we doan use dat word aroun' dem...

Blogger pyrrhus February 23, 2018 9:36 AM  

In Israel, they have an armed guard or two, and they arm and train a few teachers in every school. That's about the best you can do, and Israel has experienced no problems after doing that....

Blogger Not a lefty February 23, 2018 9:40 AM  

Just had a chat with my half-woke wife. If the "school resource" was actually in the line of fire, you can bet your bottom dollar he would have done his duty - out of fear for his life. And that is exactly why teachers who choose to arm themselves would make the very best security. Not only is randomly armed teachers a good deterrent, but those who have the gun pointed at them have the greatest incentive to stop the armed intruder .

Blogger Weouro February 23, 2018 9:43 AM  

Think about the type of man who gets assigned as "school resource officer." This is probably a couple steps below motorcycle traffic cop in the rankings.

Blogger dvdivx February 23, 2018 9:50 AM  

Dear Vox:
"Florida Shooting Survivor Doubles Down: CNN's Entire Townhall Was Scripted"
headline from Zerohedge. It's almost right from the title of your book.
Maybe your next book should be "How to drain the swamp" so Trump can read it.

Blogger The Pepe report February 23, 2018 10:02 AM  

There are a lot of awesome cops who are awesome total Alpha human beings ...that said i was watching an episode of Little House on the Prairie (1974-83) a show that i believe has a lot of wisdom .the episode painted a picture of police. There was one extremely corrupt unflattering figure engaging in theft...there was another neutral figure and then there was Merlin Olsen's ( L.A. Rams 1961-1976 , 4.0 in college i think) character Garvey. He expressed frustration with the police but then he came a policeman. One line that stuck with me he said before becoming a policeman.. Paraphrasing from memory.."why would I task someone else with the responsibility of protecting my property and trusting them to protect my property i will protect my own property-

Blogger pyrrhus February 23, 2018 10:06 AM  

O/T The failure of peer review and its use to shield bogus science...https://principia-scientific.org/failed-peer-review-the-bogus-greenhouse-gas-theory/

Blogger tuberman February 23, 2018 10:11 AM  

Sundance at CTH is on to this even better than I suspected.

Here is just a small portion of a Twitter thread about that cop at the school.

25. Understanding the risk behind the scheme, it became increasingly important to put the best corrupt cops in the schools. *BEST* as in *SMARTEST*. Those SRO's became the ones who were best at hiding the unlawful conduct.
26. Again, over time, the most corrupt police officers within the system became the police inside the schools. These officers were those who are best skilled at identifying the political objectives and instructions.
27. Those "School Cops" also have special privileges. It's a great gig. They get free "on campus" housing close to the schools they are assigned to etc. They're crooked as hell and the criminal kids how just how to play them. It's a game. Also an open secret.

Yet there is much more, and to read the whole thing go to:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html

Basically, the cops had been hiding close to all unlawful acts in the High Schools in this county from 2011, including all sorts of acts of violence, rape, and also robberies, and about everything by students. The gangs were using these students to commit crimes for them. The victims got no justice, and not even recovery of stolen goods (hidden away).

Read the whole thread-- Sundance is never wrong, and has plenty to back this up.

Blogger tuberman February 23, 2018 10:15 AM  

88. The Pepe report

You using Pepe in your title is insulting. You are way too short for this ride.

Blogger Hammerli280 February 23, 2018 10:17 AM  

This whole business reeks. In particular, the fact that Cruz went in, shot the place up, ditched the rifle, and walked right out the door is VERY much out of the norm. Every other incident I can think of ended with the perp shooting himself as soon as he was confronted.

As for the "cop"...there's a reason why military forces regard cowardice in the face of the enemy as something to be dealt with summarily.

Blogger Rick February 23, 2018 10:17 AM  

“Guess you missed the SUPREME COURT ruling that cops DO NOT HAVE a responsibility to protect a citizen. Period. (What people THINK, and what is actually true are in no way related! MPAI!)”

No I didn’t miss it. You’re the idiot. Do you realize how absurd that ruling sounds?
What I say is, it’s not that hard to present terms of the job and vet the applicant’s quals. 17 lives is unacceptable. I’m not suggesting you force someone to do anything. Plenty don’t need to be forced.

Short of those ridiculous to ask terms, why do we have cops?
Here in jerkwood ct all I ever see them do is pull people over for driving faster than the speed limit I had no say in setting. Pre-crime. We can have that though.
I heard they were going to flatten the school. Is that true? They can afford that though.
Incidentally, I like all the cops I’ve known. To say what I’ve said is not anti-cop.

Blogger lannes February 23, 2018 10:28 AM  

Here that deputy cop had a chance to kill a white boy (the shooter) and he muffed it.

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 23, 2018 10:32 AM  

Tamaqua wrote:And "hire vets" isn't a real answer either. One, most vets are not former combat arms, they're pogues. Former Airman Mo'neeshia who pushed paper around isn't the same as former LCpl Shmuckatelli who retook Fallujah.

Yep.

Blogger Rick February 23, 2018 10:34 AM  

#HireShmuckatelli

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 23, 2018 10:34 AM  

As someone who has stood three or four section duty for a bit over four years, that usually including 1-3 four hour armed watches over a 24 hour period (not counting the normal 5/week 10-15 hour workdays), I have to back up the people saying that armed guards are not the answer for schools.

#1: It's incredibly boring. People often have to walk around constantly in order to not fall asleep, even during the day if no evolutions involving them are going on.
#2: It'd cost a shitton to have even three guards (bare minimum if you want to do any sort of effective job).
#3: As others have pointed out, the longer they're stationed in the same places, the greater the probability they'll end up doing the equivalent of jacking off for 75% of those watches. Whether it's sleeping, chatting, daydreaming (best case scenario), after about a month of having the same routines, maybe one guy in fifty (if that) will still be semi-seriously alert.

The answer is allowing carry of weapons in schools, even by students. The reduction of bullying to near-zero is just a bonus.

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 23, 2018 10:41 AM  

JACIII wrote:No. They have to come from a pool of people who already give a shit. Parents/Grandparents, uncles, cousins. Skin in the game.

Yep, it goes back to community; real community. Which is missing in most of the US, for a number of reasons in our globalized, fractured, highly mobile world, which we're all very acquainted with.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 23, 2018 10:44 AM  

"Isn't it Larry Correia who says: speed bumps -- armed teachers/staff are speed bumps to 'slow the traffic' until the troops arrive?"

That's worst-case scenario.

"Screwls in America are cat lady ran institutions more akin to low security penal institutions."

Absolutely true, hence why so many here say "Homeschool or DIE".

"If the "school resource" was actually in the line of fire, you can bet your bottom dollar he would have done his duty - out of fear for his life. And that is exactly why teachers who choose to arm themselves would make the very best security."

Ding!

"i was watching an episode of Little House on the Prairie (1974-83) a show that i believe has a lot of wisdom"

The narrow end of the feminism wedge.

Blogger tuberman February 23, 2018 10:45 AM  

No, people, this "cop" was placed into the schools by other corrupt system people because he was great at being political ant letting lawlessness happen, and the students get away with it. His *job* was to cover things up. He was great at being corrupt.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 23, 2018 10:47 AM  

I've been three section duty standing 1-3 four hour armed watches a day. It's incredibly boring, and even having three guards and a supervisor will only extend the shelf life by a few months. Everybody goes limp eventually if there's not a continual regiment of shake ups.

Best solution is to have everybody able to be armed ...including the students. The sudden vanishment of bullying is just a bonus.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 23, 2018 10:48 AM  

"i was watching an episode of Little House on the Prairie (1974-83) a show that i believe has a lot of wisdom"

Wake up dude, that show is the narrow end of the feminism/multicult wedge.

Blogger Joseph Maroney February 23, 2018 10:54 AM  

"Sure, perhaps Peterson was just a coward. Or perhaps he was called off."

I suspect the later, though both could be true.

Blogger Dire Badger February 23, 2018 10:55 AM  

Andy Griffith would have stopped the guy.

Blogger Duke Norfolk February 23, 2018 10:55 AM  

Ultimately this is all just another sign of an increasingly corrupt and evil society. Turning that around won't be easy, as we all know.

But for sure the most important thing at this juncture is keeping the gun grabbers at bay, and beating them back into their hole. Keep the heat on Congress and Trump.

Blogger Dire Badger February 23, 2018 10:56 AM  

Heck, even Barney Fife would have. Or died trying.

Blogger Robert Browning February 23, 2018 11:16 AM  

Rick wrote:Show me? Show me a picture of his uniform. If people think he’s a cop, they rightly think he’ll protect them.

That’s why they hired a cop!

Quals need to change. Obviously.
Do you really expect somebody, anybody to risk their lives to protect you?? Why should they put themselves in danger?? You argument is contrary to basic human instincts. People are willing to risk their life to defend their family, their wives and their children. Why would anyone risk getting killed to protect a stranger? Because they wear a uniform?? Come on.

Blogger Ronin F9 February 23, 2018 11:33 AM  

Back in the day we did not need cops in schools. We did not have mass school shootings. Why? Because young men that were trouble makers were "tuned up", jailed, run off, put into a loony bin, or lynched. Now, in the PC Clown World in which we live, they are coddled and have their asses kissed their whole life. Cruz was a known violent nutcase and it was official policy to do NOTHING. How many times do we hear about the latest murder on the evening news and the perp (usually African-in-America) has an extensive criminal record? These violent brutes are known to authorities but they are treated with kid gloves. Same the with "homeless" defecating all over the place, harassing folks, doping up and fucking in plain sight. NOTHING is done except coddling and ass kissing.
All this talk about guns, background checks, and armed guards is a distraction. The central issue is holding people accountable and bringing the hammer down on irresponsible, UNCIVILIZED people. Way back when our fore fathers had to tame the wilderness, which was dangerous because it was full of bad men and savage Indians, they didn't cower in their homes. They went out and killed or drove off the enemies of civilization until they could walk anywhere in peace and saftey.

Blogger Chris Mallory February 23, 2018 12:03 PM  

Robert Browning wrote:Why should they put themselves in danger??

Because no matter what the Supreme Court says, that is what they were hired and overpaid to do. If they do not want the danger, fine. Then it is time to start cutting pay, ending the platinum benefits, and making sure they don't touch one dime of pension until they hit age 72.

What would you have done Robert? Would you have gone into the school and stopped the shooter or died trying? Or hid in the parking lot with a puddle at your feet?

Blogger Jimmy February 23, 2018 12:25 PM  

Dr Jordan Peterson has mentioned the darkness in each of us, and that most will not face it.

Dr Grossman has mentioned that women suffer less guilt and stress from killing when defending children.

Dr Lott; more guns less crime.

The teachers/cat ladies do not want to admit to themselves they could go full death camp guard with a concealed pistol to protect children; yet everything shows they can. They virtue signal over the lives of children.

Blogger Anne February 23, 2018 12:59 PM  

Is there some meme I can share on Facebook that says this?

Blogger Anne February 23, 2018 1:15 PM  

Without shooting.

Blogger cheddarman February 23, 2018 1:19 PM  

"calling in the location, setting up the perimeter and calling in the description [of Cruz]" = giving the active shooter a free fire zone

Blogger Starboard February 23, 2018 1:42 PM  

Seen on the MSN homepage: "Police officers guard home of deputy assigned to Florida HS who ‘never went in’ during shooting." Gosh, I hope they do a better job than he did.

Blogger Were-Puppy February 23, 2018 3:34 PM  

What if this was all planned out for Hitlerys presidency.

And they wanted to show incompetence from local all the way to federal level.

Why?

So they could backdoor more of that damn UN safe cities initiative into our country.

UN might still have stooges trying to force this through.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash February 23, 2018 4:24 PM  

Everything changes when the gun is pointed at you.

Blogger The Aardvark February 23, 2018 4:49 PM  

" He believed he did a good job calling in the location, setting up the perimeter and calling in the description [of Cruz]"

Who's a good boy, then?

Blogger Kep Hartman February 23, 2018 5:49 PM  

#57: "Have you ever been in a school? They are all large centralized buildings. Providing security is very simple. You lock all the doors but one and put 5 guys with M4s at that door."

Your experience is not everywhere. Many high schools in the New South are set up like college campuses. They have expanded continually for the past 4 decades, adding new buildings on the property as the need arises. My HS has 15 separate buildings (all with classrooms), plus 20 separate modular classrooms (trailers). It is indefensible without a platoon!

Assuming two Skrewl cops guards for each of the buildings, and a handful that could guard the trailers, that would be a minimum of, say, 35 SRO's plus at east one supervisor.

This school is in a small size city. With about 20 HS's in the county school district. So this model of "guarding all the doors" would be incredibly expensive and fundamentally unrealistic.

Better solution is to fence off the entire campus like a prison, with limited access gating. Metal detectors and sniffer dogs. That might get the job done with as few as 4-10 on-duty school cops.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: February 23, 2018 7:08 PM  

@93 "Do you realize how absurd that ruling sounds?"

Sounds!? So, if I don't think it sounds absurd, somehow the Supreme Court did NOT rule that!?
The Supreme Court RULED that way -- or do you feel that if "we" think it sounds absurd, somehow it's no longer the law!?

Blogger phunktor February 24, 2018 7:32 AM  

The troll pissing on the good name of Robert Moses Browning (PBUH) should become more closely acquainted with his work.

Blogger stevo February 24, 2018 8:09 AM  

They are probably tearing the building down as we speak. The fact that a young man killed 17 classmates is the least shocking part.

Blogger Thomas Howard February 25, 2018 5:29 PM  

When you're huddled in the corner of a classroom with your students and the gunman is jiggling the knob, your back is against the wall. There is no opportunity for a flight response, only fight. Very few people have the courage to rush headlong into danger (that's why we celebrate them) so the deputy's actions are understandable, although not commendable.
Arm teachers--at least some of them--the ones who are willing, or prior military, or concealed carry license holders. It's the only viable, effective option. The only realistic option that could have prevented or mitigated any of these highly publicized school shootings.

Blogger budbrewer February 27, 2018 7:34 PM  

They never go in. When have police ever intervened in one of these situations, that have been recurring in one form or another for well over a decade? I try to keep up on these things a bit, and do not recall one instance of law enforcement interdicting an active 'shooter.' I always have put it down to the "going home at night" syndrome, but never? Once? That in itself would be at least probative toward the false flag/MK Ultra scenario.

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