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Sunday, February 25, 2018

Why the deputies stood down

Anonymous Conservative believes they were ordered to do so:
A report released Friday claims four of Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel’s deputies waited outside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School while the attack was occurring.

On February 22 Breitbart News reported that one deputy resigned after it was learned that he was on scene but failed to control Nikolas Cruz. Sheriff Israel told ABC 13 that video shows the deputy, Scott Peterson, “arrive at the west side of Building 12” and “take a position” outside the school — but never go inside. The sheriff’s office moved to suspend Peterson, who resigned before the suspension could take place.

Now CNN reports that the Coral Springs police officers claim three other Broward County deputies were outside the school but failed to go inside as well. They quote “Coral Springs sources” who said the three “deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles” when Coral Springs officers arrived. They said “not one of [the deputies] had gone into the school.”

The sources indicate other Broward County deputies arrived on scene, and two of those new arrivals joined with Coral Springs officers and entered the building.

Here is what happened. When this was organized, Deep State arranged for their deputies to be on duty in that sector, and they had orders to stand down.
While only the acting man can definitively explain the reason for his actions, Occam's Razor suggests that in this particular situation, AC's explanation is the one that is most likely to be correct. If the three other Broward County deputies fail to resign, or even be identified, that will tend to support his belief that they were simply following their orders.

The Broward County (((Sheriff))) confirms as much. He has taken the public position that he not only did his job, but did it very well indeed by providing "amazing leadership".
"I've exercised my due diligence, I've led this county proudly as I always have," he said. "We have restricted that deputy as we look in to it. You know, deputies make mistakes, police officers make mistakes, we all make mistakes, but it's not the responsibility of the general or the president, if you have a deserter. You look into this. We're looking into this aggressively, and we'll take care of it and justice will be served."

"Are you really not taking any responsibility for the multiple red flags that were brought to the attention of the Broward Sheriff's Office about this shooter before the incident?" Tapper asked.

"Jake, I can only take responsibility for what I knew about. I exercised my due diligence. I've given amazing leadership to this agency—" Israel started.

"Amazing leadership? Tapper asked incredulously.

"Yes, Jake. There's a lot of things we've done throughout this—this is—you don't measure a person's leadership by a deputy not going into these deputies received the training they needed—One person didn't do what he should have done," Israel said.
That confirms that one of the four deputies didn't do what he should have done, but the other three did. Ergo, they were ordered by the Sheriff to stand down and not interfere with whoever was doing the shooting at the school.

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85 Comments:

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 25, 2018 11:06 AM  

This incident is going to have a ripple effect that will be felt for years.

DWS
Awan Brothers
Broward County Machine
RICO prosecutions
Sheriff Israel
School board
County leadership
Federal prosecutions
High treason
Voter fraud
Democratic party

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 25, 2018 11:07 AM  

So.... they basically wanted to send the 54 year-old near-retiree in to get killed by himself while letting the other three younger guys stand back and watch?

Adding that the older guy resigned before he could be suspended, I'm feeling a bit more sympathetic toward him, but not much. He might very well have known he was being offered up as a sacrifice.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 25, 2018 11:08 AM  

One honest cop?

Blogger pyrrhus February 25, 2018 11:12 AM  

So the first Deputy who "didn't go in" smelled a rat and refused the bait...He was going to be sacrificed to make the shooting look really evil, as was Cruz who blended in with the students and escaped....The Deep State is getting less competent...

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 25, 2018 11:12 AM  

"One honest cop?"

Probably not if he hadn't been outed on camera so fast. The others weren't discovered until later, so they might not be sacrificed, since the peoples' rage has cooled a bit.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 25, 2018 11:15 AM  

I was hearing talk that it is standard practice to put the low performers in these School Resource Officer slots. So he could be so low performing that he didn't even carry out his orders. Management's mistake if so.

Blogger North February 25, 2018 11:15 AM  

Was one the other three deputies a leader of CAIR in S. FL?

https://vladtepesblog.com/2018/02/23/one-of-the-hiding-sheriffs-at-school-shooting-is-cair-leader-for-florida/

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 25, 2018 11:16 AM  

"as was Cruz who blended in with the students and escaped"

Combine that, with the knowledge that they (the crisis ac... I MEAN STUDENTS) were naming him as the shooter hours before the shooting. Then spice it with the concept that he was called out as being the shooter by "students" and the police had to go and pick him up half a mile or more away.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if he either wasn't even the shooter, or wasn't the only one.

Blogger Howard Stone February 25, 2018 11:16 AM  

Look what the FBI is doing to Gen. Flynn, a general and advisor to the President. These deputy’s were coerced in some way or another. They either feared for their safety or freedom.

Blogger Howard Stone February 25, 2018 11:27 AM  

Wow, just wow, you guys gotta check out Hogg’s latest interview on MSNBC from yesterday. #Children of the Damned.

Blogger FUBARwest February 25, 2018 11:29 AM  

"Combine that, with the knowledge that they (the crisis ac... I MEAN STUDENTS) were naming him as the shooter hours before the shooting"

Link please

Blogger realist February 25, 2018 11:33 AM  

They don't even need to put "deep state" deputies on duty in the area - just the ones they know will follow orders (even against protocol/training/duty).

OpenID waderenn February 25, 2018 11:38 AM  

What evidence has been released that Cruz was the shooter?

School video is not being released. We are to accept the word of known liars that Cruz is the shooter?

Maybe cowardice was not the reason for the cowering deputies.

Maybe they did not want to interfere with a compatriot's work.

Blogger Lovekraft February 25, 2018 11:40 AM  

I can only imagine the lawsuits that are going to appear very soon.

And if Sessions had a spine, he would gut any and all legislative and bureaucratic shackles that these cowards hide behind.

Blogger Looking Glass February 25, 2018 11:41 AM  

@2 Azure Amaranthine

Old Guy's job was to cover up the crimes committed by the students in general. That he didn't charge in after the shooting started isn't exactly unexpected. He was already there because he was corrupt, so I wouldn't have expected him to act in any other manner but self-preservation.

Which might actually mean he was supposed to be a sacrifice and realized it at the last moment. The whole "you can't stop an AR-15 with a pistol" narrative is damn odd without a dead cop involved.


@9 Howard Stone

The entire place is horribly corrupt. They can't pull off these Ops in non-super corrupt localities. Someone accidentally doing their job will stop them. You would have thought that they could have gone ham with Las Vegas, but that wasn't planned by the Media-section of the Deep State. They went all "BUMP STOCKS!", as that was probably the reason they were approved in the first place.

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 11:55 AM  

Center for American Progress started by John Podestra, and has direct connections to ItsOnUs.org of which David Hogg Tweeted his membership in April 2015.

"Join me and pledge to stop sexual assault by taking the ItsOnUs pledge...."

Blogger Lazarus February 25, 2018 11:56 AM  



One of the Anons posted 8chan:

What I found is a Staff Handbook for the year 2015-2016, so it's fairly recent. The handbook mentions the Sonitrol System.

"This school is equipped with a silent alarm system (Sonitrol) that is activated when anyone enters any of the buildings without coding in. It can also be activated by other noises. The school is also equipped with a security surveillance system. Cameras are placed throughout the campus and serve as a means of monitoring activity. "

....If there is an incident at a school and a panic button is pressed, the audio sensors are activated even when the alarm system is turned off. The audio sensors allow the central monitoring center to hear everything that is going on in the building. They can hear voices, gun shots, everything, including people walking on carpeting. Not only can they hear everything, the system is "addressable" which means you can tell which audio sensor the sound is coming from....

SOMEONE had to have been notified at Sonitrol about the event. We never sell these systems at schools without panic buttons to activate the audio sensor in case of emergency.

The audio IS recorded

The police can be patched in on the call

So why did it take 20 minutes for the police to realize there was a shooting at the school?


Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 11:57 AM  

Hogg connected to Podesta organization, and Sheriff HRC connected to CAIR (Muslim Brotherhood). There will be more!

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 12:04 PM  

16. Lazarus

The SRO's main job was to modify or erase those tapes of all incriminating evidence. That's why the *purposeful* 27 minute delay, part of the plan.

Blogger YIH February 25, 2018 12:10 PM  

Not only was he allowed to ''resign'', he gets to keep his pension and bennies too!
That's good incentive to keep one's mouth shut...

Blogger ace February 25, 2018 12:15 PM  

There are more cameras with better resolution in more places than there have ever been, but for some reason we are never allowed to see the footage.

OpenID tonsplace February 25, 2018 12:19 PM  

The patrol cops were following SOP's and waiting on the SWAT guys to show up.

#1 cops value their lives over the public lives and property we think they are supposed to protect. We see that in how they handle all manner of tatical situations. Part and parcel of militarizing the police. Shit, they have better rules of engagement state side then We did down range. We use to have peace officers. Now we have law enforcement officers. Think on that a spell

#2 the cops are worried about law suits. In a military hostage rescue op, dead hostages are part of the game. Hell sometimes it might be prudent to kill a hostage rather then letting him stay put and run his mouth. Is what it is, nasty business and all that. So they wait on the SWAT guys in the hopes they won't have to go in at all. Most of these rampage killers shot their wad pretty quick and are done killing folks after a few minutes. Next is, if they do have to enter the building, they hope the SWAT guys will kill fewer hostages then a patrol cop. If they do drop a hostage, they hope the additional training of SWAT officers will off set the legal fall out.

#3 they have them high dollar SWAT boys and want to get their money back on their investment. Same can be said when the military uses SOF troops for basic infantry missions. Got to use them high dollar toys and they want less fall out from collateral casualties


None of that shit is a secert if you are in either line of work and it isn't any kind of conspiracy.

Personally I think the law dogs indifference to state side civilian lives is much worse then the conspiracy stuff. Much more telling and damning

Blogger Looking Glass February 25, 2018 12:25 PM  

@20 ace

At least the really expensive surveillance system is "working" this time, rather than not recording for the entire school year to that point. Though in the places where the cops need to destroy evidence, they just lose it after it's been confiscated.

I also just realized that there's never really been an attack on a larger church that would have a competent surveillance system. We really are getting a picture about the amount of layers that have to be corrupt for them to pull off Media Ops like this.

In related news, the "Syria Chemical Attack" was most definitely a Western Intelligence Agency PsyOps.

Blogger Lazarus February 25, 2018 12:34 PM  

Broward sheriff reminds me of William H. Macey as the sleazy car salesman (Jerry) in the movie "Fargo"

OpenID markstoval February 25, 2018 12:40 PM  

"Personally I think the law dogs indifference to state side civilian lives is much worse then the conspiracy stuff. Much more telling and damning"

I agree with that. The police are to the state as the edge is to the knife.

The police see themselves as far superior to the "people" and they don't lose any sleep over what happens to the mundane serfs.

Blogger Felix Bellator February 25, 2018 12:50 PM  

@11 FUBARwest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZVioBDjFeM

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 1:00 PM  

This SRO was a political hack, and one of their best, and this was a cherry job, and not a retirement job. He did not mess up, as he did exactly what he was instructed to do. His main job is to cover up evidence of all crimes, and to alter or delete video tapes. Supposing he was to be sacrificed is a logical leap. PROVE IT!

My leap is he was in on it, and the outside deputies were unexpected, and not supposed to show up. These outsiders have upset the apple cart.

Go back to the info Sundance supplied to find out what low lives these school SRO's are in Broward County. It's all there. The SROs are NOT LOW PERFORMANCE, they are HIGH PERFORMANCE at political cover ups, and trusted completely to do excellent work.

Quit Sliding.

Blogger tublecane February 25, 2018 1:00 PM  

I just read the police report, and in addition to waiting outside while kids died, Cruz was allegedly spotted going into the school with dufflebag and backpack, walking "with purpose." The security guard/cop/guy apparently recognized him and knew he didn't belong there. Saw him dropped off by his Uber, saw the whole thing, and didn't stop him. Why?

We're not talking about a live fire situation, where "you never know how you'll react." What the heck is the guy doing there if he won't intervene when known troubled former students arrive on campus with suspicious bags?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 25, 2018 1:02 PM  

"None of that shit is a secert if you are in either line of work and it isn't any kind of conspiracy."

What the hell are you on? Hostages? Collateral damage? Active shooters don't have hostages like that, and you know it. In addition, it's not like the police are using explosives. Collateral damage my ass. Worst case scenario they have to fire with innocents in the line, and hit one or two while taking the guy down. Still far better than him killing ten or so more people.

The entire incident is literally part of a conspiracy on the part of the school and police department in question to not arrest students for crimes, at the very least. Whether or not them not going in is part of it, really doesn't matter. Even after that, the point is quite clear: Beat cops are not paid or trained to be the heroes people are looking for, and they're often literally ordered not to do their jobs.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 25, 2018 1:05 PM  

"Supposing he was to be sacrificed is a logical leap. PROVE IT!"

Never said he was. I said it was a possibility.

Regardless, once he was caught on camera playing it safe he became an instant political sacrifice.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 25, 2018 1:06 PM  

Basically what I'm saying is he wasn't going in there. Once he was on camera he had to have known he was gonna be sacrificed one way or another.

Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 1:13 PM  

28. Azure Amaranthine

Not picking on you Azure, and yes, a possibly, a couple of others said this much stronger.

No one is talking about outside deputies showing up and the LIKELY IMPACT. If this thing was kept tight with no outsiders, would we even know he, or the other three did not go in... no we would not. Go back to earlier article to connect dots on these SRO's being the best political slime for cover ups....Dots...connect them.

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 1:17 PM  

If the outside deputies had not shown up it was the SROs job to make sure the cameras showed what the SRO wanted them to show, and no more, a political manipulator.

OpenID waderenn February 25, 2018 1:17 PM  

@tonsplace

So the practical purpose of SWAT squads is to threaten the unthreatening and political opponents(Manafort raid, Wisconsin Walker raid, etc), and to cower from actual threats (Pulse, Rt 91 Las Vegas, Parkland) . . .

Arguably cowering to also achieve political purposes . . .

In a total non-sequitur, if Broward county sheriffs were declining to file charges against known crimes & criminals to achieve political purposes, it isn't a huge jump to filing false charges to achieve political purposes.

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 1:33 PM  

Let me see the Sheriff has direct connections to HRC, DWS, and a CAIR deputy, and the School Supervisor who has direct connections to a corrupt to the max school program pushed by BHO, and brotherly connections to the former COO of a very corrupt Department of Education, and further back connections to Loop Capital (the number one money laundering house for the NWO in the USA, and 5 billion dollars in school loan money missing on his brothers watch). David Hogg with connections to a Podesta organization, and in the closet taping an interview with other actors about the shooting, five hours before the shooting.

And, some of you talking about this like "business as usual," weeelll, yes it was, but not like you think.

Planned 100%

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 1:37 PM  

Of course the Memes will project that the SRO and other three deputies were cowards, but that's for the Normies.

Are you guys Normies?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine February 25, 2018 1:39 PM  

"Of course the Memes will project that the SRO and other three deputies were cowards, but that's for the Normies."

Pointing out cowardice is just the bonus of stating the blatant.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother February 25, 2018 1:43 PM  

Tuberman nails it.

This is business as usual. Just not the business you think it is.

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 1:44 PM  

35. Azure Amaranthine

Yes, they do make excellent Memes, and I like the picturesof them with pee on the pants front.

Blogger tublecane February 25, 2018 1:58 PM  

@33-The Sheriff certainly is acting in interviews with the arrogance of someone who knows he's protected. Either that, or he just has the worst PR instincts possible. Because at the very least his county has been publicly embarrassed, and with the eyes of the nation upon him he's being all "So what, wanna fight about it?" and "I'm totally awesome; I don't even know what you're talking about."

The odd thing to my ears is that he is in possession of the correct answer, which is "We're in the midst of an ongoing investigation, I can't comment on that prematurely," or however he puts it. If he just stuck to that and was humble, that'd be normal. But instead he's all surly and saying "If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, O.J. would still be in the record books."

Either he doubled up on his 'roids, or he knows he's not in danger.

Blogger mgh February 25, 2018 2:01 PM  

"I've given amazing leadership..." Now we know that the next level of management under him is populated with useless suckups.

OpenID tonsplace February 25, 2018 2:02 PM  

Best I can tell the practical purposes of SWAT teams are; so cops and elected officials can look extra tough on crime; give leo's something to jerk off too; suck down tax money and so some dorks can look tacticool instead of signing up for Rangers, SF, Recon etc. They are also pretty good at shooting the family dog while serving "high risk threats". On top of threatening the unthreatening.



Don't do politics myself so I can't say as to the other.

I don't know what good purpose full time SWAT teams serve. I can see the need for some portion of a police force to have additional gear and training.

I can see the need for police to have designated marksmen

I can't see the need to have amature hour SOF platoons, snipers, APC's etc etc that take forfuckingever to deploy when the shit is going down.

Ps SWAT teams are pros with their weapons and tactical training. It's how they deploy/ don't deploy that makes them look like amatures.

I am also unsure why you can't send 4 patrol cops into a high school with an active shooter. It ain't ideal but they are armed, they have ballistic vests,they have commo with each other and head quarters to coordinate their movements, they have some basic training in fire arms, know how to pie a door, some shoot don't shoot situational training etc etc. So why the fuck not go in? Could not live with myself if I showed up as a patrol man and just pulled perimeter guard while some fuck face shot at folks I live down the block from.


.........

I can tell some one has never done hostage rescue training.

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 2:05 PM  

These people have been protected so long and so thoroughly, and have so much money behind them, they do not see that THEY ARE NOW ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY. Power has changed, and the money will mean little, and even the MSM will fade and abandon. Some will become a "problem" for the remaining Left, and ya know, if they become a "problem."

Blogger Matthew February 25, 2018 2:18 PM  

The sheriff looks like a Ferengi.

Blogger Lazarus February 25, 2018 2:22 PM  

narrative falling apart

Teacher grazed by Parkland shooter’s bullet: ‘Shooter was in full metal garb, helmet, face mask, bulletproof armor, shooting a rifle I never seen before’

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 2:25 PM  

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Blogger Jack Amok February 25, 2018 2:56 PM  

The patrol cops were following SOP's and waiting on the SWAT guys to show up.

You're a little out of date on your SOP's. Most places are now switching to "first on scene, don't wait, go in and take town the shooter." For all the emphasis on going home safe at night, PDs have gotten too much heat over letting active shooters roam at will and keep killing.

So they've at least claimed a change in SOP. Getting it implemented is a different story, but the cops in our local PD are all real clear on what they're supposed to do, and it ain't wait for backup any more.

Blogger rycamor February 25, 2018 3:05 PM  

That confirms that one of the four deputies didn't do what he should have done, but the other three did. Ergo, they were ordered by the Sheriff to stand down and not interfere with whoever was doing the shooting at the school.

I strongly suspect that deputy's mistake was to be caught on camera.

Blogger SciVo February 25, 2018 3:30 PM  

Lazy or incompetent LEOs would just bumble around until something happened and they had to resign; it takes the truly evil to treat it as "heads I win, tails you lose": heads, I look competent without actually having to do anything; tails, I use the crisis to demand more power.

(The one deputy was suspended for being recorded cowering -- that is to say, he was suspended for not doing his job, which was to erase the recording. The other three will be safe until Israel is gone.)

I'm beginning to suspect that Israel is a sociopath running a zombie social script that was supposed to result in him failing upward into head of the FBI before his corruption could be uncovered. If my intuition is correct, he 's just been running on autopilot since the election: unable to figure out how to adjust his script to take Trump into account (whose superpower is unpredictability), and incapable of acting without a script like a normal person.

tuberman wrote:If the outside deputies had not shown up it was the SROs job to make sure the cameras showed what the SRO wanted them to show, and no more, a political manipulator.

I would say instead, if an off-duty Coral Springs police officer hadn't been doing maintenance on the baseball field...

Blogger MadMax 1861 February 25, 2018 3:37 PM  

https://vladtepesblog.com/2018/02/23/one-of-the-hiding-sheriffs-at-school-shooting-is-cair-leader-for-florida/

Blogger Lazarus February 25, 2018 3:41 PM  

@49

Also : https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261190/cairs-deputy-hamas-teaches-radical-mosque-use-guns-joe-kaufman#.WpDfCtLgjrs.twitter

Blogger TM Lutas February 25, 2018 3:43 PM  

It is highly unlikely that if asked, any police jurisdiction would ever admit that they would issue stand down orders or that standard procedure is to let the shooter continue without being confronted until they run out of ammo.

So ask, document the responses, and confront them with past statements when another massacre happens.

If they refuse comment, make that into a big, stinking scandal.

If they admit that they would do stand downs, make that into a big scandal.

But for any of this to work out, the american people would have to have a decent attention span and a commitment to actually solve the problem.

Blogger Wolfman at Large February 25, 2018 3:57 PM  

"Do kids still play Cowboys and Indians?"
"No Grampa, these days we play Patriots and Traitors."

Blogger Skyler the Weird February 25, 2018 3:57 PM  

I'd like to see how much each of these Deputies has given to the Scott Israel for Sheriff campaign and the Broward County Democrat Party over the years. I'm wondering if Scott has been selling Commissions.

OpenID tonsplace February 25, 2018 4:01 PM  

Good to hear Jack but I have to wonder how wide spread that is, or how it's worded. Seems to me you could have 1st on the scene 1st to respond SOP with enough caveats to make it meaningless.... which is where I'd put my money.


In the case at hand, if it was SOP for the deputies to enter the building we should be seeing some disciplinary actions coming.

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 4:04 PM  

I'll project that this will become the greatest disaster/failure for the Narrative ever, and even full normies will get a couple of licks off the red-pill here.

Attention span gets longer with interest, and mysteries have a big pull on people's interest. It's a matter of timing for people slowly seeing more, than a little more, deeper into the mysteries.

Some will get to find how deep the real rabbit holes go.

Blogger Jack Amok February 25, 2018 5:11 PM  

Seems to me you could have 1st on the scene 1st to respond SOP with enough caveats to make it meaningless...

Different leadership is going to have different objectives, but at least around here, the local PD does not want to be another posterchild for cops hiding behind their cars while somebody goes around shooting kids.

What the motivations are of that sociopath running the Broward Coward's Sheriff Department though, well, those are probably different. Though he did seem pretty unhappy his deputy got caught on camera letting kids die. Kinda detracts from his amazing leadership, eh?

Blogger SciVo February 25, 2018 5:18 PM  

Speaking of rabbit holes, when are they going to release the Mandalay Bay video? And if not, why not?

Blogger Looking Glass February 25, 2018 5:26 PM  

@55 tuberman

https://twitter.com/justgrace1776/status/967781210914205697

A thread worth a look.

The Streisand Effect is real, and people are going to be asking a whole lot of questions.

https://twitter.com/1mjas/status/967876066340634624

Be interesting to see Mr. Sheidan's follow-up collection. We already knew the place was corrupt, but they're about to get people sifting through the information with a fine-toothed chainsaw. It's a scary thing when people suddenly start asking the right questions.

@56 Jack Amok

Of the cops I've known, especially one with more advanced training, their SOP has been that you rush to engage the shooter. In most cases, even with a weapon on them with the officer behind cover, they'll turn the guns on themselves. Most of these cases are Murder-Suicides, so the instant they're met with force they shoot themselves.

You see this in the news blip versions of attempted mass shootings. 0-2 people are killed, someone with a CC targets them from cover, the shooter kills themselves. In that instance, a knife is a more deadly weapon. This is why SOP is supposed to be to engage the shooter.

On another point, why are they locking down the schools but never barricading the doors? Good luck entering a room with 20 desks propped against the door.

Blogger Looking Glass February 25, 2018 5:27 PM  

@57 SciVo

We'll get them in 2-3 years when the lawsuits against the hotel play out.

Blogger WrenchTurner February 25, 2018 5:53 PM  

Jews and their chutzpah

Blogger Emmett Fitz-Hume February 25, 2018 6:43 PM  

@54

After Columbine, many (but not all) agencies changed the SOPs because they were as you stated.

I attend training regular for Active Shooter scenarios and we are trained (and it has been the case for at least 16 years) to enter the scene upon arrival, even if you are alone (we train alone, in groups of 2 and groups of 3). If there are more officers, team up and begin:

-Go toward the sound of gunfire.

-If you see casualties, radio in the location but do not stop to help until the shooter is neutralized.

-If there is no sound, begin clearing rooms. Do so until you have searched the entire scene for the shooter.

-If while quiet, you hear gunfire, head toward sound of gunfire.

But I'm not SWAT and my small agencies has no such entity, full time or otherwise.

Blogger stevo February 25, 2018 7:02 PM  

They announced the building was being torn down within a couple of days...

OpenID Sidehill Dodger February 25, 2018 7:15 PM  

Emmett Fitz-Hume wrote:

After Columbine, many (but not all) agencies changed the SOPs because they were as you stated.


Yes, but now we have new policies that produce police passivity. As we've learned, acting against criminals had become a highly sensitive political question in the Broward County Sheriff's office. To produce pleasing statistics, the schools and the police cooperated in eliminating juvenile crime by not noticing it. In other words, the default action of the sheriff's department deputies in response to crime had become inaction. By policy and training, they ignored crime--they even went so far as to hide crimes. I'm sure hiring and promotion policies were instituted that reinforced that goal. You get the behavior you reward is really sufficient explanation for those deputies' passivity. Well, of course they were stinking cowards too. In a sense, that was part of the job description.

Think about it from the trained coward's point of view. There is shooting going on inside that school. What's a deputy to do? Why, wait for politically sensitive orders from higher up. If you go inside, you risk really messing up the statistics for this quarter. And you know from experience that doing nothing never gets you punished. Why take the risk? Heck, you might get shot or something, and then get a reprimand on your record to boot.

We must each demand of our local police departments a clear statement of what their policy is when confronted by an "active shooter" (in a school or any other place). If the answer is not, "We go in with whoever is on the scene, and eliminate the shooter", then it's time for some political action.

The GE can get into the act too. He could issue a Presidential Order requiring such a policy statement from any police agency that receives Federal assistance (direct grants or those cool military toys the cops love so much). And then refuse Federal assistance to any department that does not have an aggressive response policy toward shooters. Of course, he would issue conformant directives to all Federal police agencies.

It's time to stop playing with "chans" and start asking questions of the people around us who are in charge of enforcing the law.

Blogger VD February 25, 2018 7:19 PM  

narrative falling apart

Teacher grazed by Parkland shooter’s bullet: ‘Shooter was in full metal garb, helmet, face mask, bulletproof armor, shooting a rifle I never seen before’


Cruz was the patsy. The God-Emperor had better send some good people in to take the poor kid into custody before he is suicided. I'll be surprised if Cruz ever sees trial.

Blogger VD February 25, 2018 7:22 PM  

Tuberman, stop littering up the thread by deleting your comments. If you make a mistake, just leave it be. A typo or two is considerably less annoying than seeing three of your empty comments on every thread.

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 8:09 PM  

65. VD

Yep, will try harder to not make typos in the first place also!

OpenID tonsplace February 25, 2018 8:10 PM  

@ 61 no swat? I imagine that's why y'all have such a effective and practical course of action however we seem to have no shortage of examples where the 1st to respond are holding in place.

Which could be because those who hold in place allow time for bigger body counts; bigger body counts make the head lines in a way quite and ballsy professionalism rarely does

Blogger rycamor February 25, 2018 8:24 PM  

It bears reflecting how strongly video evidence (and the apparent need to suppress it) plays into all this.

To my memory (please correct me if wrong), the last time we saw official surveillance video of the shooters was Columbine. Since then it has been a complete blackout.

If the official narrative was on the up-and-up, would they not release at least some of the surveillance video to restore public confidence? Or... is it someone's strategy to continue sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt into the narrative?

Blogger tuberman February 25, 2018 8:26 PM  

58. Looking Glass

Following up on your info, and great material

OpenID Sidehill Dodger February 25, 2018 8:57 PM  

VD wrote:narrative falling apart

Teacher grazed by Parkland shooter’s bullet: ‘Shooter was in full metal garb, helmet, face mask, bulletproof armor, shooting a rifle I never seen before’



"Full metal garb"? Jeepers, is that like Full Metal Jacket? A gun she's never seen before? Does she mean a type of gun she's never seen before? How many gun types could she recognize on sight?

Having the video would kinda clear things up, wouldn't it? I'm sure the complete video (if it still exists in unredacted form) shows Things That Cannot Be Seen. Still, I would not take the uninformed yapping of a school teacher all that seriously.

Maybe a leather motorcycle jacket and helmet with visor? An Uber driver probably wouldn't object to that. Dunno, just guessing, like we all have to unless the video is forthcoming.

The article you quoted also says he "re-assembled" his rifle, which he had stowed in a backpack. They imply that this would take a lot of time. Now, I haven't seen Cruz's rifle before either, but if it's anything like my AR 15-type rifle (which I built from parts up), "disassembling" could mean pulling out the captive take-down pin. That means you can fold the gun into an "L" shape, which could be concealed in a backpack, if it was wide enough--especially if the rifle has a collapsible stock. Reassembly then consists of slamming the rifle shut again, and pushing in the pin. Elapsed time: 1 second.

I've got the gun in my hands, to make sure I'm telling the truth. OK. Assume he took the rifle into two parts, which I would normally call "disassembled". That means you pull out both the take-down and pivot pins; the upper and lower are now two separate pieces. Both pins are captive, so there's no chance of losing them. (See why I love this rifle?) I practice this once, it's been a while since I played with this particular gun. Ah, you have to push the hammer down so it's cocked, or the parts won't close. OK, time to reassemble...starting the stop watch...starting position is rifle in two pieces on the floor next to my chair, hands on my desk...9.98 seconds. Slam, click click. Then you may not have a magazine in place...well, I'm not going to keep farting around with my AR, but the loading procedure takes maybe another 15 seconds. (Being generous, and assuming no practice.)

Sorry, I feel this compulsion to ask questions and offer what facts I can. No offense or disrespect intended to our gracious host.

Blogger Looking Glass February 25, 2018 9:35 PM  

@69 Sidehill Dodger

https://twitter.com/williamcraddick/status/967918739352989696
https://twitter.com/Jeffpaynter2/status/967926628939595776

https://www.floridatoday.com/story/news/2018/02/17/minute-minute-how-parkland-school-shooting-unfolded/345817002/

"At 2:19 p.m., the gold compact car let Cruz out at the school." Has the Uber driver given an interview anywhere?

"After getting his drink from Subway, Cruz left the Walmart and began heading northeast on Coral Springs Drive, a perpetually busy commercial strip with numerous retailers. He made the five- to 10-minute walk, which goes under the Sawgrass Expressway, to a McDonald’s in the Shoppes of Heron Lakes.

Cruz stayed at the McDonald’s until 3 p.m., authorities said, and then walked out, passed a Citizens Bank Branch and CVS drug store, and went west on Wyndham Lakes Boulevard South. He walked along the winding sidewalk that borders the numerous gated communities with tonier, large Mediterranean-style homes with rust-colored, tile roofs."

Amazingly detailed timeline about where he went after the shooting. Which means it comes from local business CC cameras. Aimlessly walking guy fits the pictures of the man. Aimlessly walking after shooting a single person, could make some sense.

I wonder if the drug cocktail they use when they set off wears off pretty quickly, which would explain the really odd post-attack actions.

Blogger Wolfman at Large February 25, 2018 9:56 PM  

@70 I think we've looked at every possible scenario except the one where Cruz is innocent.

the other thought of the day is how long does it take to condition and train one of these 'lone wolf psychos?'
The planning time on a large scale operation like this has got to be at least six months. This might have been planned well everyone still thought Clinton was going to win the election. But then why wouldn't they abort the mission?

Blogger Lazarus February 25, 2018 10:09 PM  


@71

> I think we've looked at every possible scenario except the one where Cruz is innocent.

Try this on.

Cruz is convinced to show up at a certain time. How? Don't know, but the whole thing is staged as well, why not that?

He is talking to someone when the shooting starts (female witness)

Shooter is unrecognizable with full body armor and face shield.

Cruz just goes along with the shuffling of the crowd by the authorities.

Goes about his business.

When he is busted, he is so drug-f*ckt, he thinks he might have actually done it.

You think he is not receiving meds now?

Look at the guy. It is a wonder he can dress himself, let alone put on a whole set of body armor in 2minutes and go in and start shooting.

Blogger Lazarus February 25, 2018 10:15 PM  

Sure, the guy bought ten rifles before the event.

Who wouldn't, right?

And Trump is watching the Gorilla Channel as we speak!

Blogger SciVo February 25, 2018 10:26 PM  

Wolfman at Large wrote:This might have been planned well everyone still thought Clinton was going to win the election. But then why wouldn't they abort the mission?

Something like this, if planned, could only be planned by sociopaths. And even the high-functioning ones aren't half as smart as they think they are (the Sherlock Holmes series is an ego/power fantasy).

There was no other way that Israel could think of to get out of there before his corruption was uncovered. And it was just his bad luck that an off-duty Coral Springs police officer was doing maintenance on the baseball field, so he called his buddies and they showed up before the SRO could edit the recordings.

And now the whole rotten edifice is about to come crashing down, when 16 months ago Israel thought he could fail upward to head of the FBI, and then no one could ever hold him responsible.

Blogger OneWingedShark February 25, 2018 10:43 PM  

Sidehill Dodger wrote:"Full metal garb"? Jeepers, is that like Full Metal Jacket?
Plate-mail, obviously.

Blogger SciVo February 25, 2018 10:47 PM  

When Israel talks about his "amazing leadership," what leadership? I think the script called for him to make a show of taking control, and as a sociopath, he doesn't know better than to stick to the script after things changed with the CSPD and it doesn't make sense any more.

Blogger Lazarus February 25, 2018 10:59 PM  

@69
"Full metal garb"? Jeepers, is that like Full Metal Jacket? A gun she's never seen before? Does she mean a type of gun she's never seen before? How many gun types could she recognize on sight?

I understand your objections. Now explain why the video of that woman is being wiped?

Blogger Looking Glass February 25, 2018 11:04 PM  

@71 Wolfman at Large

Don't really need to train anyone. They find someone that hits the "radar" of the societal systems. Local prisons are great places to recruit for other crimes, you know? There is literally a report that he wanted to shoot up a school from January that the FBI has. And it wasn't the first one they got on Cruz.

The Narrative Script was written a few years ago, at least in part. It clearly reflects responses to why the Sandy Hook narrative didn't work, so it was probably written in the 2013-2014 time frame, waiting for another school shooting. That's CNN et al's part, which they were prepared for.

With the "system" primed to jump on a shooting at a High School (they need articulate crisis actors; small kids didn't work well at Sandy Hook), it was just a matter of developing an Op that gets carried out. They've rigged the systems in most places enough that they should happen regularly. So, at minimum, they just had to wait.

I don't know the effects of illegal drugs enough, but what does the come-down look like on a massive doth of Meth? If Cruz was the shooter, he was probably drugged to the gills.

From the Florida Today article, he was seen in a stairwell preparing. Who wants to guess stairwells don't have cameras in the school?

So he shows up with a rifle, but no pistols? He could have easily doubled the body count by shooting again after blending in with the crowd.

I'm normally one to favor the view of "string pullers" rather than using active agents, but now the video from the attack is the most fascinating video on the planet.


@74 SciVo

It would only take 3 people to manage an Op like this, at most. And there are lower-level Sociopaths for hire. The Clinton Body Count proves it directly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lauderdale_airport_shooting

It's only been a year since the last mass shooting in that jurisdiction, btw. Which probably means we can assume it's a hub of trafficking of all kinds. Israel likes them young, you think? Actually, I think he's of age & female. I've seen the picture with Hillary. He looks normal there.

It gets worse: Cruz called himself for help from the local police.
https://twitter.com/DLoesch/status/967910826773549058

Oh, and for this Op, the person to get the money would be Cruz's former guardian. The one before the current set, as he claimed she was trying to steal his inheritance. She filed a brief to try to acquire it the day after the shooting. If the Op had a contact point with Cruz, 85% chance it was her. (This also probably explains Lanza killing his mother before heading to the school.)

You'd be amazingly surprised how few people it takes to run an ad hoc organization if it has one specific task and a little bit of a time horizon to work with. This only works with the local authorities are already amazing corrupt. And, well, the Broward Cowards are amazingly corrupt.

Blogger Quicksilver75 February 25, 2018 11:07 PM  

fyi-
Mozilla is playing foul with infogalactic.com.
This is the blocking screen they present starting today-


Your connection is not secure

The owner of infogalactic.com has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger February 25, 2018 11:57 PM  

Quicksilver75 wrote:fyi-

Mozilla is playing foul with infogalactic.com.

This is the blocking screen they present starting today-

Your connection is not secure

The owner of infogalactic.com has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website.


Jeez. Possibly a "feature" introduced in a recent update? My Firefox is connecting me fine...but then I cut off their damn near-daily "upgrades" a while ago. Figure if it works, why change it? (Answer: job security.) Clicking on the icon to the left of this site's URL does show that this connection is "not secure". Why would I expect it to be? It's not meant to be an SSL (https protocol) connection. I'm also told that the site "does not supply ownership information" . Firefox should not simply be refusing to show the site, however. Good thing I "froze" their development cycle when I did.

Quick duck search sez: Firefox Prepares to Mark All HTTP Sites "Not Secure" After HTTPS Adoption Rises (https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/software/firefox-prepares-to-mark-all-http-sites-not-secure-after-https-adoption-rises/). So yes, the security warning means that site simply is using the (up to now) normal http sites as "insecure". That's stupid. SSL encryption is something I want for banking, but why would it matter for blogs?

Here's a link to a page that tells you how to shut of the warning, but I don't know if it will fix the non-display problem: https://www.ghacks.net/2017/06/13/firefox-disable-this-connection-is-not-secure-warnings/

Mozilla has been pozzed for a while, but I still like all the add-ons that ease my paranoia, like NoScript.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger February 26, 2018 12:06 AM  

Sorry, I was wrong--voxday.blogspot.com (now) shows as an https connection. I'm thinking that there are frames inside the page that are not https. That would make this a so-called "mixed content" page. (The Amazon links are my prime suspects.) Still, you should be given the option to see the page.

Blogger budbrewer February 27, 2018 7:39 PM  

You're unsnapped, officer.

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