Embrace your disarmament
Just in case you needed another reason to homeschool:
A high school student in Hilliard, Ohio, didn’t want to pick sides in the contentious gun debate surrounding Wednesday’s “National Walkout,” so he stayed in class instead of joining the largely anti-gun protest or an alternative “study hall.” Hilliard Davidson High School senior Jacob Shoemaker was then reportedly slapped with a suspension.One suspects his teacher was just bitter that he was actually going to have to show up for the class.
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And, thanks to Obama's racist policies, the other type of slapping he is going to get will go unreported.
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"School district spokesperson Stacie Raterman said official policy prohibited school officials from leaving Shoemaker unattended in the building for “security reasons,” 10TV reported."
Suspicion confirmed.
Denninger noted this as well. In a nutshell, the school endorsed this ''spontaneous'' walkout then punished the student in question for exercising his 1st Amendment right to not speak.
Meaning that all the school staff walked out too. These politically partisan schools need to be whipped into line.
Or eliminated ... could the private sector do any worse?
Because one mega-public school wouldn't be replaced with one mega-private. More like 100. Their average quality is just about guaranteed to be higher.
Obviously, the school shouldn't be endorsing this and it's ridiculous and all that.
But students have to be supervised. To supervise the kids outside, some teachers have to be there. That leaves classes unattended, which is why the school huddled the others into common study halls. There is no compelled speech and the student was not suspended for not protesting. He was suspended for refusing to go to study hall, which was allowed specifically so he wouldn't be compelled to speak.
The whole administration should still be fired simply for being SJW, though. And I'm cool with suing them for it because, hey, even if you're wrong you should still cause SJW's as many problems as possible.
Fear. The teachers fear the student who they can't intimidate into conformity.
It's really sad. When I was in school, I was allowed to question my (Left-leaning) teachers, but I had to have my shit squared or they'd take the student to rhetorical school. I was blessed with two exceptional parents who were excellent at debate (dad) or academics (mom), so I got to take full advantage of it.
My kids will never get that from school. It's just a naked conformity factory.
Thankfully, they're in cyber school, which significantly reduces the groupthink probability.
Because one mega-public school wouldn't be replaced with one mega-private. More like 100. Their average quality is just about guaranteed to be higher.
I think cyber-schooling will take off.
It saves a boatload of money, no security concerns, and is a God-send to parents of kids who are disorganized (everything is online and can't get lost, assignment due dates are clear).
@7
Jeremy, the school is endorsing the walkout (see Denninger link), thus compelling him to speak yes or no on the issue. He did what he was legally required to do, have his butt sitting in class at the required time.
Of course, the legal argument will be as you said, that the kid is property of the school/state via in loco parentis and has no free speech rights because he's a minor.
I live very near Hilliard (not in it, thank God), it's suburban sprawl personified, with a school system that has long been on the decline due to ongoing demographic change and repeated failures of school levies at the ballot box (causing some families who care a great deal about such things to leave, and affecting property values). Just an FYI.
FP, going to a study hall is no more speech than staying in class. Either one can be taken as a "No" on the issue, or simply not speaking on it. He wasn't compelled to give any kind of message, positive or negative.
Seems to me the school should have been able to accommodate this. Unless they officially cancelled class.
Of course, if they officially cancelled class, then this would be a school sanctioned assembly would it not?
@7-The kid was presumably where he would normally be if it weren't National Anti-gun Propaganda Day. Why would they need special accommodations to supervise him?
Because his teacher was where teachers normally wouldn't be, supervising something else? A special school event? No, a supposedly spontaneous political demonstration, supposedly organized by students.
Why would that require supervision? Because the administration was complicit. This kid could have gone along to study hall, but wanted to make a point by being where he was supposed to be. He was punished for it, while the gun-grabber kids not only got off but had administration support.
Therefore, the suspension was political. Case closed.
Being given a break from daily indoctrination has no downside. His parents should spend the time finding a new school.
The kid wasn't forced to participate in the walkout. He had no particular right to stay in class alone when he could have gone to the "alternative" study hall. That said, the disruption of the school day for political purposes was inappropriate.
Anchorman wrote:Fear. The teachers fear the student who they can't intimidate into conformity.
It's really sad. When I was in school, I was allowed to question my (Left-leaning) teachers, but I had to have my shit squared or they'd take the student to rhetorical school. I was blessed with two exceptional parents who were excellent at debate (dad) or academics (mom), so I got to take full advantage of it.
My kids will never get that from school. It's just a naked conformity factory.
Thankfully, they're in cyber school, which significantly reduces the groupthink probability.
When I was a senior (back in 1983) I took a couple of government classes with a hippie my last semester. Little real organization or structure to his classes and almost no tests or other means of determining whether anyone learned anything. A fair part of it was discussions which typically involved me and two other students (maybe) for the most part. I was pro-military and respectful, the other most vocal student had already signed up for the Army. The teacher was pleased that at least a couple of his students were involved, but I'm guessing he was depressed there was little interest in leftist ideas. I imagine he'd be appalled at how the only consistent voices for freedom were now on the Right.
I was public schooled. The few homeachoolers who eventually became pyblic schooled in highschool/late middleschool were so damn far ahead they may as well have started college.
It's like breeding a pureblood persian racehorse vs breeding 1000 mules.
"The kid wasn't forced to participate in the walkout. He had no particular right to stay in class alone when he could have gone to the "alternative" study hall."
Stop boilerplating. The school had ZERO legitimate right to replace class with alternative study hall, but they did it anyway, because they endorsed, organized, and pushed the walk outs. He called them on it, and they're trying to punish him for their wrongdoing. The end.
Period.
@12
"School district spokesperson Stacie Raterman said official policy prohibited school officials from leaving Shoemaker unattended in the building for “security reasons,” 10TV reported."
Why is the school unattended Jeremy? Legally it should not be. Most states have laws compelling minors to be in school till graduation or 18 years old. If the school was not endorsing said walkout, you might have a better case. Why not use their own rules against them?
@16-He could have gone to study hall, just as all the kids who demonstrated could have gone to class like any other day. Yet, he was punished and they were not.
Do you get what that means? It's not complicated.
Off topic. Weekend reading if you like. Some good comments.
http://quillette.com/2018/03/15/alt-right-gets-wrong-jews/
The NEA and these alleged American schools and future mental health wards re-named as colleges must be closed.
I read several stories of flags stomped on, police cars stomped upon and other teen chaos. The kidlets are doing a march or two yesterday or today, moms and dads need to stop this, home school and fast track their kids to a better life, going to some geriatric ward of tenure isn't going to fast track them to any future unless its medicine or STEMS.
Anyhow those whom are so against the 2A due some trauma will never understand its the societal acute cultural decline not the guns.
I will guarantee this matter, the pro-2A youths clean their rooms, the libkidz whom are being led astray which is antichrist to do to children, must be told clean their rooms, do their chores or do not anything at all at home to help mom or whatever horrendous dysfunctional home lives they have.
Women and children cannot set any policy whatsoever, it always ends badly.
Those whom are so against the 2A should deport themselves with their families to a hellhole of their choice, ISIS would like disarmed youths.
At many schools throughout the country, very few kids participated in this coronation of the indoctrinated. The media coverage of those that did participate is just more gaslighting. Rumor is some shitlord students are conspiring for a walkout to demand the wall on 5/5/2018.
I'm sure the ACLU will get right on this.
The kid was given an alternative - the study hall. Why did he refuse to go there? His refusal to go to the provided alternative and decision to remain alone in a school building against school regulations would have been a diciplinary matter irrespective of the reason for the demonstration outside. Why didn't he go to the study hall? How obedient a student is he in general? How many warnings had he been given prior? What was his attitude towards authority? Did the media report the story accurately?
There are too many unknowns to be able to conclude anything that approaches the truth. Even a mid-wit tabloid reporter can see that.
"There are too many unknowns to be able to conclude anything that approaches the truth. Even a mid-wit tabloid reporter can see that."
You continue to play by the rules and they don't. Yet, you wonder why you keep losing.
I notice the defenders of the arbitrary mediocrities running public schools focus all their energy on obfuscating the failures of the school. Not only pushing a political narrative but teaching the students the wrong definitions of words. Spontaneous my ass.
It would be interesting to determine if the teachers properly took days off, if so where the substitutes were, and if not what laws did the teachers break by not being in their classrooms or at work? Are the absences documented? excused? Was this an approved "field trip"?
I'd much prefer to simply deport all these anti-gun people or split the US at the Mississippi, making all the leftists stay East. They can disarm and wait for whatever they want. We have plenty of space for all the pro-gun people out here in the West esp since we'll being moving all the Californians, Oregonians, and Washingtonians to the East side of the Country.
Anchorman wrote:The teachers fear the student who they can't intimidate into conformity.
There's something which I've taken to calling the Appeal to Self-Authority wherein the authority (the teacher in this case, but also judges and police-officers) appeals to authority in what is essentially a circular manner, somewhat reminiscent of certain eastern philosophies like "The Mandate of Heaven" [though it ought to be noted that it is possible to lose the Mandate in those philosophies] or a secularized "Divine Right of Kings".
It is generally portrayed as follows:
(1) Authority is Good.
(2) Therefore, people in authority-positions are Good.
(3) I [claim I] am in a position of Authority.
(4) Therefore I am a Good person, by virtue of that Authority.
(5) To reject authority is Evil.
(6) To question/disagree is proof you reject my authority.
(7) This is proof of your Evil.
(8) Because you are Evil you have no [or limited] rights.
If the school had organized a "spontaneous" walk-out to protest child deaths related to abortion, and this kid had sat inside his classroom versus going to the alternative pro-death study hall, the media would be calling the school Hitler. Ben Shapiro and the rest of the cuckservatives would be defending the student's right to expression. And here we are on this blog surrounded by the same cucks explaining why this kid should have just gone to the study hall like all the other good little conservative boys, girls, and xirs. This is why you lose. This is why the Alt-Right is inevitable.
Jeremy wrote:To supervise the kids outside, some teachers have to be there.
If it's a walkout, then by definition, teachers aren't supervising. If it's an organized rally, then you are right, he needed to go to study hall instead. but if it's an organized school rally, then the school is breaking the law by holding a political rally during school hours.
Teacher supervision: http://www.fox5ny.com/news/chicago-students-trash-walmart-during-walkout-over-gun-violence
You mean the rules about true news? There's only one rule there: tell the truth. If you're playing by any other rules then you're the problem. Lying about liars is to not only fail to tell the fruth but also to fail to uphold truth as the standard. The first failure is worthy of admonition and rebuke, the second is an abomination worthy only of Sheol.
Send your kid to Caesar's schools, play by Caesar's rules.
As someone who has taught many younger kids in a good upper middle class school, I have been both appalled and very alarmed by the accelerating convergence in the district. Which is 100% female driven, with an idiot female Superintendent and largely female Board at the helm...I don't think there is even one male teacher who supports this insanity, but there is nothing they can do about it.
And this school, and the High school, are nationally known, mainly IMO because of the highly intelligent student body.
Home school, private school, whatever--but get out.
@34 If it's a walkout, they can be arrested for truancy. But that would be mean....If it's school sponsored, which it is, it has to be treated as a holiday, and another day added to the schedule in June...Of course, in the FUSA, there are neither standards nor enforcement...
Hope the kid's family has a high-powered pro bono lawyer filing papers now. They should own that school by week's end.
As the bumper sticker appropriately says “Liberalism: Ideas so good, they have to be mandatory.”
Brings back memories. I was the only student NOT to walk out of my high school over something no one can remember now. It didn't bother the students at all, but it bothered the hell out of the teachers. One of them inferred I should have walked out along with my classmates as a sign of camaraderie. But I had already decided at that young age not to follow anybody i didn't want to follow. My classmates elected me as 'most likely to succeed.' Who knows, maybe that incident was why.
@36
Don't play coy Unknown. Hold the hypocrites to their own rules via protest, court action or public shaming. Why are all the student walkouts not being served with suspensions? Teachers being fired or docked a day's pay?
I'm surprised the schools aren't upset that they'll miss out on a day's worth of tax funding by having so many students walkout. Oh wait, if its officially sanctioned by the school, they don't lose out on tax funding for the day. All the students are technically sitting in their seats, learning away as they demand to be disarmed.
Children just aren't emotionally or intellectually prepared for the abuse they will encounter in our converged public schools. The fact that I survived it doesn't mean that I want to inflict it on my children, and from what I see public school is rapidly getting worse.
No sooner do I post the first comment than:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/conservativ-student-carrying-trump-flag-jumped-beaten-ground-national-school-walkout-guns-violence/
Still unreported IMO.
If one ever needed evidence that the US public schools are merely Cultural Marxist indoctrination centers working diligently to build the American version of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, then this "voluntary walkout" would be a Exhibit "A" at the trial.
Yep, Americans will give up their failing government schools before they give up their 2A.
Per Demonic Professor El's comment in Vox's 'Buddhism is not a religion of peace', why not bulldoze down these offending schools after sacking every employee.
Pave over the rubble and build shops for a gunsmithy & firearms dealer, a (non-churchian) Christian Church, and a resource center for homeschoolers?
One stop shopping.
Jeremy wrote:FP, going to a study hall is no more speech than staying in class. Either one can be taken as a "No" on the issue, or simply not speaking on it. He wasn't compelled to give any kind of message, positive or negative.
Assumes facts not in evidence. Given how things really are right now (and not how things are in fantasy cuck land) this is what is most likely:
The walkout was the official endorsed activity. The other official endorsed activity was the "1488 Fuck SJWs" protest at the study hall.
This kid decided he wasn't with either group, which made him actual Outcast, and was officially outcast for that stand.
@49 And because that school administration are groinks, they couldn't have him sit with a secretary in the principal's office or something when he made his request.
This is why conflict is unavoidable in this country. The Leftist Liberals insist on conflict and they believe they can use conflict to compel conformity. They seem to believe they can intimidate those who do not agree into playing along, just to avoid trouble or punishment or sanction.
They are sadly mistaken, but they will not believe us because they assume that we lie and bluff as much as they do. WE have to show them. WE have to make some examples.
This article outlines the nuts and bolts of the illegality of the walkouts.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/15/chicago-gop-file-lawsuit-chicago-public-schools-student-walkout-political-indoctrination-pure-simple/
@19 "It's like breeding a pureblood persian racehorse vs breeding 1000 mules."
Problem in -- the 'farms' are crowded with mules! (Silk purse? Sow's ear? Yer jes' not gettin' anywhere!)
If anything, the few racehorses should be taken OUT of the mule pasture and provided with better accommodations! Those racehorses are NOT going to learn to race if they grow up surrounded by MULES!
I have offered this solution - what if all Christians pulled their kids out of pubic screwels - NOW?
It would be a cultural earthquake!
I can dream, can't I?
@31 "It would be interesting to determine if the teachers properly took days off"
AND -- if the school doesn't have the requisite number of students IN the school, they LOSE FEDERAL FUNDING for that day! That's why schools resist "snow-days" so strenuously! It costs them $$MONEY$$!!
Wanna BET not Fed dollars get withheld from these schools?
> Anyhow those whom are so against the 2A due some trauma will never understand its the societal acute cultural decline not the guns.
And why has that culture declined, do you suppose. Could it be that too many residents are no longer part of that culture?
> Why did he refuse to go there?
Because the law says he was supposed to be in class.
A school in Penn took the opposite approach and gave detention to everyone who left.
https://archive.fo/C2PLL
57-year old man's guns confiscated, taken into involuntary custody.
"Licata said he anticipates other communities around the state will soon file their own requests as issues arise in their own communities."
Watch for the associated rise in provocation by the left.
@7 But students have to be supervised. To supervise the kids outside, some teachers have to be there. That leaves classes unattended, which is why the school huddled the others into common study halls. There is no compelled speech and the student was not suspended for not protesting. He was suspended for refusing to go to study hall, which was allowed specifically so he wouldn't be compelled to speak.
Nonsense. If students go AWOL to go to a political event it should be treated exactly the same as if they skip school for any other reason. The teachers and admin aren't responsible for students who skip school, and certainly shouldn't follow them when they do.
Every kid to show up the next day with whatever punishment is usually meted our for an unexcused absence, and then life goes on.
The radicalism and aggressive promotion of the anti-White SJW agenda is everywhere in public schools and unabashedly.
In Newmarket ONtario high school, the history teacher started HER course by stating she is a socialist and feminist dedicated to ending 'privilege' and that will be 'integrated' into her course.
My sons were shocked enough to tell me, and this is a common occurence now, including teaching non-White authors in English instead of traditional Canadian authors.
Its a war here people. A real war, and the sooner that's understood the sooner the damage can be stopped.
Cecil Henry wrote:The radicalism and aggressive promotion of the anti-White SJW agenda is everywhere in public schools and unabashedly.
In Newmarket ONtario high school, the history teacher started HER course by stating she is a socialist and feminist dedicated to ending 'privilege' and that will be 'integrated' into her course.
My sons were shocked enough to tell me, and this is a common occurence now, including teaching non-White authors in English instead of traditional Canadian authors.
Its a war here people. A real war, and the sooner that's understood the sooner the damage can be stopped.
I agree completely, Cecil.
It seems WE were wrong to tolerate those who had a worldview that included putting the rest of us in their slavery. WE did not tolerate the German Nazis. WE did not tolerate the Soviets or the Red Chinese, when they said they wanted the same world domination.
Anyone who insists on dominating the rest of us is a clear and present danger. The fact that they have no such power, does not mean the threat should be ignored.
Nope I deny the disarmament zones of fish in a bucket.
The nearly Easter Day march in DC, a gun free pot soaked deep state region of sulfur, is I guess, going to host another march against the 2A stays; we have gun control, its all fine. Women and children will never change this or disarm anyone; they have allowed every dyscivic policy to thrive; abortion for gen x and mil'lens, bring in the immigration as revenue or stressed resources via the ACA.
Does anyone recall in past American history there was rifle classes in public schools, every farmers child had weapons. We have weps to defend now 5 pieces of farm land b/c in WV, we print our money by growing our own damn food; greenhouses, produce, natural milk, cheese, etc. The Amish on are on board.
2A walk-outs are distractions; my girl friend told me it is rumored or being floating in school board meetings in jefferson county OH steub'Vile city schools to end printing as cursive writing was ended as both are said to be obsolete, everything the kids do is all tech to texting.
Homeschool or be stupid!
Can anyone else verify or heard this rumor? She and another patron stated this is being floated for jefferson co. OH, Steubenville city schools -
If this is true the AI or the Ghost in the shell, making cursive handwriting a feature of thought and personal expression is gone, how can our children sign their names? Scan your finger print, the culture , language and borders are gone?
No.
Homeschool or be killed; the police have proven in FL they dont care, you send your kids to these schoolz for whatever reasons you hold, are risking their minds and lives. Stop funding the NEA!
Where is the media, where is everyone aside from Cerno from asking this; "where is the outrage and the contempt when Trumpers are punched out or assailed all throughout 2016 to today?"
NEA; a wicked monopoly out for their own pensions, their own lobby interests and they love harming children. Parents are too dragged down by work, taxes and ACA to homeschool but homeschooling is the ONLY answer to stop this mind rape and allowing any child to be beaten up, any flag stomped on to cops cars being stomped on, the parents do not understand what my parents knew in 1985, "we are not sending our only child into the den of knows whom kind of kids, NO, we will keep her home as she has nothing to learn from these people or these 'girl friends'!"
OT Update on the alt hero rpg?
OT: Bye, Andrew McCabe you traitorous snake.
YOU'RE FIRED!!
The few homeachoolers who eventually became pyblic schooled in highschool/late middleschool were so damn far ahead they may as well have started college.
^^^^ COTW.
One look at the 6th-grade graduation exam which hits the intertubes regularly shows how far our system has been degraded in the service of "equality" and "inclusion". Aside from a few specifics like the mass-density of grains, there's nothing in that exam that a smart 4th-grader shouldn't know today. Yet our schools are "teaching" in ways which confuse and mystify, instead of stock standard methods once used to teach subjects like long division.
This is no accident. It is DELIBERATE. It is No (Publicly Schooled) Child Gets Ahead.
I guess we now know that our Supreme Dark Lord does sleep.
"There's only one rule there: tell the truth."
The simple truth is, the school was in the wrong first, which in and of itself caused this.
Do you have a problem with the truth, Unknown? You seem to have a massive effing problem with it.
"https://archive.fo/C2PLL"
So, tactic is, "keep calm and shitlord on". Make sure the only perceptible levo-rotating loonies are your mentally dysfunctional adversaries.
"Anyone who insists on dominating the rest of us is a clear and present danger."
Children are dominated by their parents, as their parents should be under God.
Please allow me to rephrase your quote a bit to show what I'm getting at.
"Anyone who insists on suppressing(dominating) our freedom of expression is a clear and present danger."
*"Freedom of expression" in question is referring to pederasty.*
Freedom, domination, or submission are not either good or evil in and of themselves. They are only good or evil with respect to what they are used for. Freedom can certainly be evil, and domination can certainly be righteous. I would think that we can both agree Charles Martel forcefully dominating all the rest of his enemies on the battlefield was a good thing.
"YOU'RE FIRED!!"
Winning~~~
This kid is going to be a great person when he grows up, unlike most of his peers.
AA, you seem to have a massive problem with freedom. Or is it with domination and control? You seem to preach for them and act against them in the same paragraph.
@58 "https://archive.fo/C2PLL
57-year old man's guns confiscated, taken into involuntary custody."
This is a frightening double-edged knife! On the one hand it seems awfully reasonable to lock up crazy people (and it was the libs who dumped them all out onto the streets).
On the other -- the potential for misuse is horrifying! Just like in divorce cases, where 'claims of abuse' are wielded like bludgeons, I can see obamy-judges happily flailing about with this! I wonder if there IS a part of this law that protects the NOT-crazy from malicious use? Wanna bet not?
As others here clearly see and understand, there is a huge difference between public schools and private schools.
In our religious, private school we believe that the parents "own" their children and are the ultimate judges of things. We have the right to ask them to leave is we can not get the parent to follow our rules, but that is about all we can do ultimately. This system works pretty well.
The home-schooling idea is better, but many families just can not do that unfortunately.
I have tried to talk to the administration and the dioceses about having "part time" students (we are pre-K to 8) that are home schooled except for some subject mom does not feel comfortable with. She would still be "lead teacher" of course.
Anyway, public schools must be done away with.
Two can play at this game. As long as we're compelling political speech, why doesn't Trump sign an executive order encouraging soldiers to protest abortion clinics? Soldiers who fail to comply may, of course, be dissciplined.
It gets even better! Here in "progressive" Minneapolis, a high school student was assaulted during a school walkout, and had his arm broken in two places for waving a Trump flag:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/16/student-with-trump-flag-assaulted-by-mob-during-national-school-walkout.html
Classy.
"AA, you seem to have a massive problem with freedom."
Far too many people think freedom itself is an ultimate or transcendental good.
It isn't.
They SAY it's coz he didn't stay in the "designated area" for students sitting out the protest. Another commenter alluded to study hall. Sounds like BS. That's not a suspension offense.
If the school allows it, then by definition it wasn't a "protest." Sounds like this kid was the only one actually protesting anything.
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