Monday, March 26, 2018

Facebook scraping call data from Android phones

Facebook's privacy violations are considerably worse than most people imagined:
This past week, a New Zealand man was looking through the data Facebook had collected from him in an archive he had pulled down from the social networking site. While scanning the information Facebook had stored about his contacts, Dylan McKay discovered something distressing: Facebook also had about two years' worth of phone call metadata from his Android phone, including names, phone numbers, and the length of each call made or received.

This experience has been shared by a number of other Facebook users who spoke with Ars, as well as independently by us—my own Facebook data archive, I found, contained call-log data for a certain Android device I used in 2015 and 2016, along with SMS and MMS message metadata.

In response to an email inquiry by Ars about this data gathering, a Facebook spokesperson replied, "The most important part of apps and services that help you make connections is to make it easy to find the people you want to connect with. So, the first time you sign in on your phone to a messaging or social app, it's a widely used practice to begin by uploading your phone contacts."

The spokesperson pointed out that contact uploading is optional and installation of the application explicitly requests permission to access contacts. And users can delete contact data from their profiles using a tool accessible via Web browser.

Facebook uses phone-contact data as part of its friend recommendation algorithm. And in recent versions of the Messenger application for Android and Facebook Lite devices, a more explicit request is made to users for access to call logs and SMS logs on Android and Facebook Lite devices. But even if users didn't give that permission to Messenger, they may have given it inadvertently for years through Facebook's mobile apps—because of the way Android has handled permissions for accessing call logs in the past.

If you granted permission to read contacts during Facebook's installation on Android a few versions ago—specifically before Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean)—that permission also granted Facebook access to call and message logs by default. The permission structure was changed in the Android API in version 16. But Android applications could bypass this change if they were written to earlier versions of the API, so Facebook API could continue to gain access to call and SMS data by specifying an earlier Android SDK version. Google deprecated version 4.0 of the Android API in October 2017—the point at which the latest call metadata in Facebook users' data was found. Apple iOS has never allowed silent access to call data.
I'm not at all surprised by this sort of thing. I expect even worse violations will be uncovered. It's why I removed What's App from my phone the day that I heard Facebook acquired them. Facebook simply doesn't understand or accept normal human concerns as legitimate, because it is run by an autistic alien robot whose "hello, fellow humans" act is about as convincing as the average 36-year old Pakistani immigrant claiming to be a Syrian child refugee.

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Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 5:01 AM  

In a Power Politics analysis, we need to start asking who did Facebook run afoul of? Or who did Zuck piss off?

Is this payback from 1 faction against another? Or is someone intentionally playing Leftist factions against each other?

Also, how is the man worth billions yet still can't get a decent haircut?

Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 5:02 AM  

Also, it's the WhatsApp creator that started the #DeleteFacebook hashtag. I think he unloaded his billions a while ago.

Blogger APL March 26, 2018 5:31 AM  

Under the pretext of improving my security, facebook frequently asks for my mobile number.

1. I don't use facebook for commercial transactions - nor do I ever intend to.
2. I have been progressively de-individualising my use of facebook over the last several years.

Anonymous Anonymous March 26, 2018 5:32 AM  

These guys just keep pissing in their own well, and then don't understand why users complain about the taste. Virtue signalling is not going to save Zuckerberg and the Goolag, even the normies (i.e. idiots dumb enough to use things like Facebook in the first place) are starting to realize that their trust has been abused. If this can't be taken care of under existing antitrust laws, Congress will have to pass new laws appropriate to the new technologies.

Blogger Lazarus March 26, 2018 5:43 AM  

I read somewhere recently that even if you cancel your FB account, they are still able to collect your data.

Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 5:48 AM  

@5 Lazarus

Website beacons. Your browser is logged in, and it flags off the beacon when it reacts. It's those "Like on X" buttons.

Blogger James Dixon March 26, 2018 5:52 AM  

> ...because it is run by an autistic alien robot whose "hello, fellow humans" act is about as convincing as the average 36-year old Pakistani immigrant claiming to be a Syrian child refugee.

That has to be the best description of Zuckerberg I've ever read.

Blogger Rick March 26, 2018 6:39 AM  

Once upon a time one would be shuned and ashamed for being caught as a peeping Tom.
Also, I’m certain Amazon and Google are as bad or worse re the microphones and cameras on the phones. Too many conversations with my wife while my phone was in my pocket and shortly after ads are produced in browsers with items discussed with my wife.

Blogger Killua March 26, 2018 7:06 AM  

Facebook: "Hello fellow human, whats your favorite strategic weakness?"

"Why do you want to know?"

Facebook: "Um, nevermind. Look at this picture of a cat"

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira March 26, 2018 7:14 AM  

There are a LOT of gammas in the tech field who don't care, or see every dollar earned, every inch of ground gained, as revenge for being a loser their whole lives. Cuckerberg struck me as one of these right from day 1 especially with the weird asian gf.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 26, 2018 7:32 AM  

Combined with that shot of his weird face, and rectangular head, it's hilarious.

Blogger Thucydides March 26, 2018 7:34 AM  

Ensuring the deletion of your Facebook account is complete:

Alternatives to Facebook:



Blogger 357Delta March 26, 2018 7:34 AM  

Facebook and the like will have to be slowed down through lawsuits and government intervention. The average user doesn't understand or actually care very much so it'll be an active minority that makes things happen.

Blogger DeeJay March 26, 2018 7:56 AM  

It's also kind of a rule now, that any Zuck meme requires a Brent Spiner pallor.

Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 8:14 AM  

@14 DeeJay

I've always felt those memes were an insult to Data. He was always far more human.

Though it's actually a fascinating reprisal of old Bill Gates memes. slashDot had Gates as Locutus of Borg for years.

Blogger Rick March 26, 2018 8:42 AM  

I’ve known humans.
Humans are a personal friend of mine.
Zuckerberg is no human.

Blogger tuberman March 26, 2018 9:07 AM  

Just see Zuck, along with Warren Buffet, Charlie Munger, Bill Gates all sitting in on meetings by government officials, telling them when to trade stocks as the people a various levels manipulate the parasite market.

All this insider trading is known and recorded, and will be proven.

Blogger SouthRon March 26, 2018 9:11 AM  

The data shows they also collect a list of the apps you've installed on your phone.

Blogger tz March 26, 2018 9:15 AM  

Recode from October 2016 When two of a psychiatrist's patients were recommended to each other. Common phone in contacts, same location.

That was a year and a half ago.

Blogger Robert Divinity March 26, 2018 9:22 AM  

All in all this is great news and the implosion is awesome. Still, the dinosaur media seems elated at the prospect, however remote, of regaining their indoctrination monopoly.

Blogger seeingsights March 26, 2018 9:40 AM  

Assorted comments:

The stock market is soaring today yet Facebook stock price is down. That points to an inherent weakness in Facebook.

An AI researcher recently warned that data miners can shape public opinion. I believe it. I was involved in market research back in the 1990s and I noticed that some techniques, which relies on psychology, have some effectiveness.

Blogger Anno Ruse March 26, 2018 9:46 AM  

> Just see Zuck, along with Warren Buffet, Charlie Munger, Bill Gates

Extreme autists all of them. Buffett's biography by Alice Schroeder might as well be titled "He Couldn't Get His Peanuts: The Story of Autistic Greatness". Lump in that alleged genius Steve Jobs too. In our increasingly data-driven society, the 'tism seems to be required for "great men".

Zuckerberg could no doubt become President if the whole thing was done via online interactions. It's the ending of the Matrix where Neo doesn't free his people, instead he joins the machines because it's more fun to control people.

I stopped using Facebook when family members I'd been avoiding were "recommended friends" despite using a fake name. I used a real email and that was enough for the algorithms. What's really scary is when you tell people "I don't use social media" and they look at you like you're diseased.

Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 10:09 AM  

@17 tuberman

It's a lot more complicated than that, but, frankly, explaining "Aliens are real" would go over better. What they're giving out is after the next "rides" are decided.

Blogger Redpill Angel March 26, 2018 10:34 AM  

What drug is Zuckerberg on? Because his pupils are preposterously dilated all the time. Although I have known a few highly functional autistes with dilated eyes like that, and they all had this Children of the Damned blank affect. Look right through you. The druggies with dilated eyes are sparkly and cheerful. Met a couple of born-again Christian commune people with weird shining eyes too, but they were ex-hippies who'd done lotsa drugs.

Blogger tuberman March 26, 2018 10:51 AM  


"It's a lot more complicated than that,..."

I know, but this the inside trading should be enough to put them all away for life. I was going lite today.

Their foundations are where much of the real sleaze starts. Charities, that are the opposite, as everything is inverted by these people.

The Rabbit Holes are fascinating. Following the royal bloodlines, especially of the Austrian-Hungary Empire.

Did you ever see a picture of Mary Vetsera, Adolf Hitler's birth mother, side-by-side with Merkel? They look like sisters, or even closer, probably a coincidence. Except, except is you look at many pictures in the Hapsburg line, they have the same profile type. Inbreeding? Well, yeah, they were/are Hapsburg's after all.

Too early for all the bloodline connections (way, way beyond merely the Hapsburg Family), and it's too vast. You are correct, flat-earth would be more likely believed.

Blogger tuberman March 26, 2018 10:53 AM  

"What drug is Zuckerberg on?"

Probably Adrenochrome?!!

Blogger Ceerilan March 26, 2018 10:59 AM  

Soros sold his shares in FB already and poo poo'd the company publicly.

Blogger Ford Prefect March 26, 2018 11:09 AM  

@22: Actually, I find it very useful to have people look at me like I'm diseased when I tell them I don't use social media as I learn whom to avoid. Keep in mind that FB, etc., will pick up information about you from comments made on FB about you by other people. If I'm not certain that those folks will respect my request to not mention me on FB, I generally minimize my interactions with those folks.

Blogger Redpill Angel March 26, 2018 11:16 AM  

Adrenochrome -- see, I learn so much new stuff here.

Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 11:18 AM  

@26 tuberman

Adrenochrome has always struck me as an intentional trap. It's far more likely a cocaine derivative that is just harder to manufacture. Safer, softer effects but can be taken regularly for all of that "get up and go" while absorbing the stress.

It's likely something that slowly effects the endocrine system, which is why so many of them do TRT.

@25 tuberman

We should probably leave the Bloodline stuff for the hinterlands of the Internet. That's too far for most people.

As for the Financial Markets, the issue isn't that they're controlled, it's the methods by which they control them. It's highly technical, which is what would lose most people.

In other, Swamp news:

Even the FBI informant is cover. He was a CIA asset.

Blogger DonReynolds March 26, 2018 11:23 AM  

Thucydides wrote:Ensuring the deletion of your Facebook account is complete:

Alternatives to Facebook:



WE may be dealing with an infinite regress.

Each time an individual attempts to delete their Facebook account, I expect that only puts them in a new profile for an entirely different sort of treatment. No doubt, there is a separate list of identities...those who want to believe they have privacy on the internet.

Some people still believe if they get on the Do Not Call list, somehow they will be unknown to telemarketers.

How many of the "alternatives" to Facebook are owned, operated, contractors, or foreign offices of Facebook? Just ordinary economics of degrees of price discrimination would be a sufficient guidebook for Facebook to have dozens of brands and labels, all freely exchanging information under the watchful eye of the CIA and NSA.

To frustrate surveillance in any way, a person would need to have physical barriers (tape covers to camera lens, remove battery, etc) and a good program of deliberate disinformation for them to collect. They are going to be hungry for reliable information and error management will be the weakest part of their program. They have few ways to resolving conflicts in the data collected, except by the age of the data. One of the main features of Facebook is the individual Timeline.

It is safe to say that everyone will be known in some way to the Facebook empire, but we do have some control over what information Facebook "discovers".

Blogger tuberman March 26, 2018 11:39 AM  

"Adrenochrome has always struck me as an intentional trap."

Could well be a trap, I admit, but the leads up to it, as in huge amounts of "child-trafficking" and pedogate is obviously true. The traps are double, when doing things so terrible that no one can believe it. Keanu Reeves and Mel Gibson have said stranger things. No one believes them, as it's too wacky to believe. This is what hides the evil the most, they actually do things so evil that no one will believe it.

There is this possibility that the "Trap" is that high level initiates in these interwoven cults goes so nasty that it creates a mind-control effect on both the insiders and outsiders.

So, any way, we can go lite, and go with various insider trading, and treason. General people do not have to know the specifics of insider trading and how many tech issues exist, all general audiences have to see is these people always were aware of the trends, before they happened.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 26, 2018 11:42 AM  

Facebook is likely to be torn apart. At this point, Federal regulation (possibly with EU input) is the best they can hope for.

Although being classed as a Common Carrier has advantages. Yes, you have to provide service to everybody. OTOH, you no longer have liability, precisely because you ARE required to provide service to everybody.

Having said that, I think the Golden Age of Privacy died about 25 years ago. Maybe 30. And we really need to adjust both laws and customs to adapt to this fact.

Blogger tuberman March 26, 2018 11:48 AM  

29. Redpill Angel

Adrenochrome may or may not be real, but many Anons think it is real, strange Rabbit Hole. LG could be correct though, and it could be some kind of improved drug along the coke line, but stress absorbing rather than adding to stress levels, but something is going on drug related with these elites, and it is not any of the old suspects in drugs.

Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 11:50 AM  

@32 tuberman

I think it's important to remember that there are "spheres of understanding". Generally speaking, if it couldn't fit in a Law & Order episode, it's going to be too much beyond the sphere of understanding of the general population.

You can get things like Spirit Cooking which lit Black Twitter up like a 10 Megaton nuke because it was close enough to "Magik" to hit upon cultural information, yet it barely hit in normal social media spaces beyond Christian circles.

The Elites do coke and trade Inside Information, then buy up big stakes in companies at the best prices. That's all most really need to know.

Blogger Warunicorn March 26, 2018 12:00 PM  

Redpill Angel wrote:What drug is Zuckerberg on? Because his pupils are preposterously dilated all the time. Although I have known a few highly functional autistes with dilated eyes like that, and they all had this Children of the Damned blank affect. Look right through you. The druggies with dilated eyes are sparkly and cheerful. Met a couple of born-again Christian commune people with weird shining eyes too, but they were ex-hippies who'd done lotsa drugs.

You should've seen the recent Stormy Daniels "interview." (More like: "Anti-Trump Propaganda.") Her pupils were the size of dinner plates.

But yeah, Cuckerberg has that creepy look where you just want to punch his geeky, nerdy face in.

Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 12:05 PM  

@34 tuberman

A huge chunk of psychotropic pharmacology has never been published. Some of the really skilled chemists have whipped up some really impressive compounds over the years, but the last thing you want to do is give a blue-print to a deadly awesome high in a published work. The information has no clinical or market value, but there's value in the people with that knowledge.

Important detail is that it isn't either IV or snorted. None of the really rich ever show the signs of snorting cocaine. Likely either skin or pill based. Most likely skin, given that no one normally wears short sleeves. (Though on the legs would provide better effects.)

Though a lot of them still do coke. Wall Street especially still loves it.

Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 12:25 PM  

In related news, the FTC news today has made people surprisingly happy in some of my tech news haunts. There's a lot of pent up anger at Facebook. Could we be seeing a Preference Cascade?

Blogger tuberman March 26, 2018 12:44 PM  

All these things are complex by design. The money laundering schemes are equally as complex with organizations like Loop Capital based in Chicago. Took weeks for many people to connect the dots there, but shutting off the money to the Traitors, including extra money to the Social Media Barons was important.

Here's the thing, if people cannot explore at least the Traitor complexities of U1 then they cannot understand anything that's going on with the Globalist NWO at all.

Overly simplistic people, at least many, are capable of a little more, it's just proof of apathy. Even most of the people who believe they've got it all figured out and are red-pilled -- not even close.

This thing is World Wide, obviously, as it's called Globalism, and the Deep State has many levels. Cut off a tentacle, say in the USA without dealing with the WW scope and it will be back stronger then ever in a few years.

Remember the first revolution only had about 3% hard-core backers at the beginning. There is a need this time to reach about 10-12% willing to go the extra mile of actual looking deeply themselves.

Indeed MPAI, and especially those who believe they go it all figured out by being Alt-Right. Why the hell has it gotten to the point where a million school girls in the UK have been raped and allowed to be prostituted, with many so traumatized they will never recover? Who are these Elites that have allowed that? Go beyond the Muslim ferals who are obvious. Who is orchestrating this and why? Who are they connected to, and what are their histories?

Stop being morons, make efforts to connect. This is a mental War.

Blogger tuberman March 26, 2018 12:53 PM  

"Important detail is that it isn't either IV or snorted"

Vaped usually, and sometimes ingested, but that is a waste.

Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 1:11 PM  

@40 tuberman

Inhalation would make sense. Ingested is generally unlikely, as it's the worst route into the body (but most room-temperature stable, which is why it's so valued in Pharmacology.) It almost has to be aligned along the Endocrine axis, so it's actually unlikely to be cocaine related. It's not harsh but subtle in effect, even if it might come with a low-time-frame high.

I think to Elizabeth Holmes a good bit. She always was somewhat bug-eyed since Theranos got a public face, but she looks like she'd been doing something that suppressed estrogen. Suppression of cortisol & estrogen to limited extent, while likely running up the adrenaline a bit. Endocrine modulation, more or less.

As to research on the topic, there's very little solid, "goes on 60 Minutes" information. You can dazzle most of the world with BS, which is why you need to tie these things to selling State Secrets or the like. It's the reason you never go after the Pedo Rings directly for those crimes. Hit them with Tax stuff and use that to attack the rape charges from the side. Hillary as corrupt, money-taking Politicians works; Hillary as High Priestess of a Cult doesn't.

Blogger tuberman March 26, 2018 1:27 PM  

LG, I'm going to go do something useful and work out.

Whatever this new drug is (for the Elite) it is not simple Coke, as it has anti-stress, anti-aging effects. Who cares about the Wall Street boys, they are usually a couple levels down, and they likely still do use coke.

Interesting isn't it people, a coke like drug with positive effects on health for the short and medium terms. Perhaps you should look into it by your selves.

Blogger tuberman March 26, 2018 1:32 PM  

41. Looking Glass

Have you ever noticed that whenever a person is aware of something strongly, information about that subject pops up easily, even when rare? It's called planting seeds of thought.

Blogger Kona Commuter March 26, 2018 3:49 PM  

I'm sorry but at this stage of the game if you're using Facebook you're a Boomer or an idiot.

I'll be losing Google maps off my phone as well. The push notifications of "It'll take x minutes to get to work, traffic is heavy", "your parked car is marked on the map" and my favourite "it'll take you x minutes to get home, take y road and save 5 minutes" all creep me out especially because I rarely run the app, I never run the app at home or at work.

Lose the spyware!

Blogger BlowMe March 26, 2018 3:58 PM  

Zucker Sperg

Blogger S'mon March 26, 2018 6:10 PM  

It's pretty unnerving when Facebook suggests a woman I dated once as a 'Friend' because it scraped her number off my phone.

Blogger CoolHand March 26, 2018 7:31 PM  

Kona Commuter wrote:I'm sorry but at this stage of the game if you're using Facebook you're a Boomer or an idiot.

FaceBerg is still useful as a direct selling tool.

Not ads, but direct "press the flesh" (so to speak) one on one marketing.

There are groups on FB for building 80% arms that have hundreds of thousands of members.

So I go where my potential customers are, and as a result, I sell a lot of stuff through FB.

NOT using their site for the actual transaction, but simply going in, making contact with people, showing them what I make, and pointing them to where they can buy it.

My profile is filled with bullshit, they can't even pick up my actual location because of the quirks with dynamic IP's that we have out here in BFE (location services shows up as a town about 90 miles away, where our little dinky fiber line hits the backbone).

There's no reason not to use such a wonderfully sorted pool of potential clients when it's free and setting there waiting for you.

Just lie to them about everything that matters and make use of the things you can.

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