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Wednesday, March 21, 2018

Forget Facebook

It's all Idka now. As the Brainstormers know, we've been trying out a new Swedish Facebook alternative called Idka. It has a lot of advantages over Facebook, particularly because they don't use your data, sell your data, or invade your privacy. Better yet, they let you control your groups and organizations very strictly. It's got chat too.

We've already got an Arkhaven organization there which we're using in a quasi-Dropbox capacity and I've set up an ELOE group there as well, so if you're not interested in having Mark Zuckerberg sell the pictures of your cousin's children to sketchy companies in Turkey and Indonesia, I would strongly suggest getting off Facebook and giving Idka a whirl. You can find me there as well, and if you would like an invite to the ELOE group, let me know on Idka.

Just to be clear, I have no interest in Idka nor do I have anything to do with it, it's just a new tech company with a better (if occasionally esoteric) interface and a lack of interest in exploiting user data like a Muslim rape gang exploiting a drug-addicted 14-year-old British girl without a father in Rotherham.
In the long run, Facebook wants to make its product even more immersive and personal than it is now. It wants people to buy video chatting and personal assistant devices for their homes, and plans to announce those products this spring, say people familiar with the matter. It wants users to dive into Facebook-developed virtual worlds. It wants them to use Facebook Messenger to communicate with businesses, and to store their credit-card data on the app so they can use it to make payments to friends.

Employees have begun to worry that the company won’t be able to achieve its biggest goals if users decide that Facebook isn’t trustworthy enough to hold their data. At the meeting on Tuesday, the mood was especially grim. One employee told a Bloomberg Businessweek reporter that the only time he’d felt as uncomfortable at work, or as responsible for the world’s problems, was the day Donald Trump won the presidency.
It looks like Mark Zuckerberg is about to learn the difference between influence and power.
Lawmakers are demanding to hear directly from Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg on the growing controversy over the misuse of its data by Trump-linked Cambridge Analytica, as the social network confronts its most serious political crisis ever in Washington.

"I want to know why this happened, and what’s the extent of the damage, and how they’re going to fix it moving forward," Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) said Tuesday when asked about the briefings. Facebook executives, she added, "aren’t coming yet, but they better come."
What Senator Klobuchar doesn't understand is that Facebook's business model, indeed, its entire existence, depends upon being able to violate her privacy concerns. And so much for trying to direct the selected outrage and Steve Bannon and the Trump campaign.
Facebook users are waking up to just how much private information they have handed over to third-party apps. Users are sharing their shock on Twitter at discovering that thousands of software plugins for Facebook have been gathering their data. Some of the better known apps that may be connected to your profile include those of popular sites like Amazon, Buzzfeed, Expedia, Etsy, Instagram, Spotify and Tinder.

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Blogger D.J. March 21, 2018 12:15 PM  

Signed up. Interested in the ELOE group.

Blogger cheddarman March 21, 2018 12:25 PM  

Would like to be in ELOE group.

Blogger #6277 Hammer March 21, 2018 12:26 PM  

Will give it a go. Is the ELOE group only for ELKE or for VFM too?

Blogger #6277 Hammer March 21, 2018 12:26 PM  

Sorry meant to read "for ELOE"

Blogger Jeff aka Orville March 21, 2018 12:31 PM  

Does the Idka oranization have mature leadership?

Blogger VD March 21, 2018 12:32 PM  

Does the Idka oranization have mature leadership?

No, but they have good advisers.

Blogger Matthew McDaniel March 21, 2018 12:33 PM  

I’ve always used Vk. But I am a Russian bot, so of course I would.

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 21, 2018 12:37 PM  

I appreciated not having to give them a cell number or any other sort of ID to sign up.

Blogger Zundfolge March 21, 2018 12:39 PM  

It still seems to require use of your "real name" to sign up (not that something like that has ever stopped me before). But it looks nifty. Hope it catches on better than Minds has (Minds is great, but I'm never getting my elderly mother to sign up there).

Blogger David The Good March 21, 2018 12:39 PM  

I'm on there now - seek me out, oh ye of green thumbs.

OpenID mrsheidistone March 21, 2018 12:41 PM  

Signed up. It looks interesting.

Blogger VD March 21, 2018 12:44 PM  

It still seems to require use of your "real name" to sign up

It doesn't.

Blogger Zaklog the Great March 21, 2018 12:49 PM  

Riffing on the closing simile:

Why do Muslims rape so many English girls?

Because England doesn’t have enough goats.

Blogger Aeoli March 21, 2018 12:50 PM  

On the one hand alternative institutions are exciting, on the other hand it's Swedish. Will give it a swing.

Blogger Ezekiel March 21, 2018 12:57 PM  

Matthew McDaniel wrote:I’ve always used Vk. But I am a Russian bot, so of course I would.
I do too. Sometimes I'll even post memes or messages in Russian. But I'm a deep-cover SVR agent, and what's the point of being a secret agent if you can't let people know about it?

Blogger FALPhil March 21, 2018 12:58 PM  

Signed up under the name FAL Phil. I would like an invite to join ELoE. Thanks.

Blogger Salt March 21, 2018 1:02 PM  

Any browser issues? Brave use? Require Chrome?

Blogger Nate March 21, 2018 1:06 PM  

"It has a lot of advantages over Facebook, particularly because they don't use your data, sell your data, or invade your privacy."

...

Alexa... are the swedes trustworthy?

She says she doesn't know.

Even Alexa is skeptical of Sweden these days.

Blogger Sigurd Jorsalfar March 21, 2018 1:11 PM  

Just search for legion in the groups tab in the app, ELOE should be your first option. Looks neat. @salt: Chrome mobile works fine. I assume the same for desktop. No idea about brave yet.

Blogger TaurianVita March 21, 2018 1:12 PM  

I am an advisor to Idka and happy to answer any questions as they come up. You might want to register using your UserNames from VP if you want to connect with VP members on Idka; easier to find each other. You can then create Groups for family, friends, colleagues and call them whatever you want.

Blogger Starboard March 21, 2018 1:14 PM  

Signed up, and interested in ELOE group. Alt-tech is growing some alt-reach.

Blogger Shimshon March 21, 2018 1:15 PM  

I also would like an ELOE invite. Should I send private request?

Blogger Astrosmith March 21, 2018 1:17 PM  

I have heard that some of those girls in Rotherham did have fathers, and that when they tracked down their daughters and the rapist gangs, the authorities did nothing. Well actually not nothing: they ended up filing "racism" charges against the fathers for accusing the rapist gangs of raping their daughters.

Can't spell "CUCK" without U and K.

Blogger Dave March 21, 2018 1:19 PM  

Alexa... are the swedes trustworthy?

Ask it if Mark Zuckerberg is trustworthy.

OpenID franklinfreek March 21, 2018 1:26 PM  

No idea about brave yet.

Brave with all shields on appears to be working reasonably well.

Blogger dienw March 21, 2018 1:36 PM  

At the bottom of Idka's signup page what is the Bully award?

Blogger VD March 21, 2018 1:36 PM  

Idka is not Alt-Tech, it is merely a tech alternative. But as it is not SJW-converged, this is a significant step forward.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 21, 2018 1:37 PM  

OT: Official Austin TX serial bombing narrative is bullshit.

Blogger artensoll March 21, 2018 1:40 PM  

23. Astrosmith "Can't spell "CUCK" without U and K"

Ouch

Blogger Stilicho March 21, 2018 1:45 PM  

@stg I assumed the ready supply of bar guano for the explosives was just too much for the bomber to pass by.

Blogger Nebo March 21, 2018 1:48 PM  

Signed up as Nebo Ark. Would like an ELOE invite.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 21, 2018 1:50 PM  

Stilicho,

Absolutely stocked upon bat shit. Why do you think Austin is weird ? All of that dust loading!

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 21, 2018 1:55 PM  

Thank you. I'll be signing up very soon.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2018 2:00 PM  

What other social media company is trusted by the Ds? If conservatives weren't so interested in virtue signaling their purity they would steal progtards stuff and use it against them.

Thanks FaceF*ck I hope I am not to late to buy some Puts.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 21, 2018 2:03 PM  

Sigurd Jorsalfar wrote:Just search for legion in the groups tab in the app, ELOE should be your first option.
So, having found the group, how do I ask to join?

Blogger Warunicorn March 21, 2018 2:06 PM  

So, wait, what about the mining the Obama administration did with Facebook's approval that was revealed recently? I guess it doesn't count.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 21, 2018 2:16 PM  

@28 OT: Official Austin TX serial bombing narrative is bullshit.

That's a pretty safe bet, but I'm curious what your thoughts are here.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 21, 2018 2:25 PM  

Perfect shitstorm for Facebook. The right already despises them and now the left feels they've been betrayed.

Blogger seeingsights March 21, 2018 2:31 PM  

Facebook is at a turning point. Oh, Facebook stock price is rebounding today. They will still be in existence but I predict that their future growth will be at a slower rate and Facebook will less relative economic and social power. A mature company in other words.

Somewhat related: now is a great time to hit twitter, youtube and Facebook through legislation as common carriers. I know this violates free market doctrine. But nationalist political philosophy supports such a treatment.

Blogger Some Guy March 21, 2018 2:36 PM  

Let them eat themselves. Thank God this came out!

Blogger Desdichado March 21, 2018 2:45 PM  

I really don't think the Democrats want to try and link this nonsense to the Trump campaign, because no sooner will they scratch the surface and they'll find that Facebook colluded openly with the Democrats, not the other way around.

Blogger Nate March 21, 2018 2:49 PM  

Having been to Austin... I am just not completely unsympathetic to someone bombing it.

OpenID dreadilkzee March 21, 2018 2:52 PM  

I am not finding an Arkhaven group or Castalia group. I did find Castalia profile but I assume that is the Organization profile and not something we would connect to directly.

Blogger Sigurd Jorsalfar March 21, 2018 2:53 PM  

Just hit the tab/nametag of the group and ask too join the group. The option should appear beneath. But i joined via the app. Maybe desktop is different.

Blogger Thucydides March 21, 2018 2:53 PM  

Glad to see alternatives maturing and reaching the marketplace. I'm spreading the news

Blogger Avalanche March 21, 2018 2:55 PM  

@13 "Why do Muslims rape so many English girls?
Because England doesn’t have enough goats."

They HAVE the goats, just not enough "petting zoos" IN Londonistan!

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 21, 2018 2:56 PM  

Speaking of alternatives Tim of Military Arms Channel is promising that Full30 is ramping up the hardware to accomodate new channels as youtube goes fully converged.

Blogger SirHamster March 21, 2018 2:57 PM  

TaurianVita wrote:I am an advisor to Idka and happy to answer any questions as they come up. You might want to register using your UserNames from VP if you want to connect with VP members on Idka; easier to find each other. You can then create Groups for family, friends, colleagues and call them whatever you want.

Is there an ability to set a different alias inside a group? So I can have a public facing pseudonym and use my real name within particular group(s).

Discord has this, so I can use different names for different discord servers, based on what name that group knows me by.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 21, 2018 3:06 PM  

Hopefully banning gun vids will sink Youtube, and good riddance.

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 21, 2018 3:08 PM  

@41 - I really don't think the Democrats want to try and link this nonsense to the Trump campaign, because no sooner will they scratch the surface and they'll find that Facebook colluded openly with the Democrats, not the other way around.

Sounds familiar.

OpenID sakfalco March 21, 2018 3:14 PM  

@SirHamster, I am not an idka advisor, and have only been a user for a few minutes, but apparently you can 'create an organization' and with this: "you will also create a new profile for yourself, a profile which will belong to the new organization. This new profile will be created under your current account, which means that your current credentials (email and password) will remain, and you will be able to switch between your private and organization profiles using the dropdown menu next to your name."

So, it looks like you can have multiple profiles, but the route to them is a bit odd.

Blogger Lazarus March 21, 2018 3:55 PM  

Obama campaign data-mines facebook for its 2012 campaign.
Genius move.
Trump data mines FB in 2016
International scandal.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 21, 2018 4:02 PM  

Noah B:

1. 24 year old conservative white house Christian
2. No training
3. No motive
4. Suicides as cops approach

See any problems with the official story™?

Blogger Phil Scholling March 21, 2018 4:07 PM  

Signed up

Blogger Latigo3 March 21, 2018 4:10 PM  

Signed up

Blogger Phil Scholling March 21, 2018 4:13 PM  

Living somewhere north of Austin I agree with Nate. We just finished up with SXSW down here which brings in a very large number of visitors. When these bombings started a week before my first thought was that was prep for something big happening in downtown as they block off most of the streets so everyone can walk around to all the events.

OpenID Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass March 21, 2018 4:35 PM  

Having visited Austin once in grad school, I can say it is a nice city.

Obviously I prefer that College Station be kept normal though.

Blogger RobertT March 21, 2018 4:35 PM  

testing

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 4:43 PM  

I was feeling antsy about facebook privacy back when I joined it when myspace was still the rage.

Good thing I never put much of anything on there. Probably one of the many reasons that location-targeted ads and services (those that I even see through adblock/noscript) always seem to think I still live in places I haven't lived in years... or a decade.

Haven't touched facebook in years beyond deleting everything possible about 4 years ago.

As for facebook privacy... when I'm on a random site and it wants me to tell my friends on facebook about it... I remember that from before I started using noscript. Random-ass websites would know who you were by association with facebook. Hell no.

Blogger stevev March 21, 2018 4:46 PM  

Yeah, as a resident of Austin, when I first saw the bomber's mother's FB post mentioning home schooling, I thought "Fu**, well, at least I know how the narrative will flesh out now."
Tin foil helmets sure are scratchy, dammit.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 21, 2018 4:46 PM  

I like Austin a lot better now that there's an expressway that goes around it.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 4:47 PM  

That's the one thing I'd wonder. How are the Swedish laws about suddenly searching/seizing servers and etc? I'm not inclined to trust that govt.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 4:55 PM  

"Why do you think Austin is weird ?"

I know Texas. Austin is batshit. As for why? Population + Immigrant heavy, and many recent.

Blogger VFM #407 March 21, 2018 5:07 PM  

Vox, I sent a connection request to you and to the ELOE on Idka. However, I didn't see any way to attach a comment so if you see requests from Verrill Madden, that's me AKA VFM407.

Blogger TaurianVita March 21, 2018 5:52 PM  

@SirHamster - This is not possible yet, but is a feature that is in the queue and may even be bumped to HIGH priority if I get my way! It is important for those of us that may want to bring multiple Communities onto Idka where we may want to keep our online identities separate.

Blogger TaurianVita March 21, 2018 6:04 PM  

@ Azure Amaranthine
<<>>

EU data privacy laws are usually stronger than the US, and GDPR is about to come online. I think the Pirate Bay guys and Kim Dotcom got in trouble as their case was deemed criminal after the RIAA went crying to Obama's DOJ. Yes, the Swedish gov't caved, but not sure if GDPR will give the EU a little more muscle to push back. I am hoping that it puts Idka in a stronger position. This is going to be a battle all over the world over the next years. Maybe Idka moves to the Blockchain...
https://synchlaw.se/proposal-swedish-data-protection-act-gdpr-published/

Blogger weka March 21, 2018 6:36 PM  

First name weka.
Last name Ilk.

That should work.

OpenID simplytimothy March 21, 2018 6:39 PM  

Irc, ftw.

Blogger Dave March 21, 2018 7:01 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Obama campaign data-mines facebook for its 2012 campaign.

Genius move.

Trump data mines FB in 2016

International scandal.



Obama congratulates Putin in 2012

Statesman

President Trump congratulates Putin in 2018

“Sham” shouts Politico – “Shame on him” shouts WaPo – “Treason”, claims CNN – “Shocking”, proclaims NYT


Hat tip TLR

OpenID markstoval March 21, 2018 7:09 PM  

Well I joined, and sent a request to ELoE. I guess we just wait for now.

I never was into Facebook, but I'll give this a looksee.

Blogger NoneOfTheAbove March 21, 2018 7:55 PM  

Ok, I've set up an account (Roger Locke) and fired of a join request to the ELoE. I take there are still some sane Swedes out and about?

Blogger CoolHand March 21, 2018 8:10 PM  

I'm in, sent a join request as Inigo Montoya.

Blogger idprism March 21, 2018 8:33 PM  

Do I belong in the ELoE group even if I'm not a VFM?

Blogger MendoScot March 21, 2018 9:00 PM  

The people in charge of Facebook and Google are good people, but their products have had horrendous unexpected consequences. The problems is that the companies can't do anything to limit the damage without abandoning their current marketing models
Roger McNamee, early investor in Facebook y Google.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 21, 2018 9:38 PM  

I can get to https://www.idka.com/en/private, but then what? How do I sign up? I can't find any links on the page except for downloading an app.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 21, 2018 11:09 PM  

For what it's worth, I havent been able to find a way to request admission via the web client, nor to request a connection to someone whose email address I don't have.
Not a promising design choice.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 21, 2018 11:28 PM  

"Not a promising design choice."

In case the fact that you can run under a different and semi-disconnected alias for every group you're a part of didn't tip you off, this is kind of like the dark net.

Everything's the hard way, because that also makes it a PITA for anyone else to shovel into a Big Brother algorithm or digital filing cabinet.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 21, 2018 11:46 PM  

Perhaps, but its essentially non-functional for people who don't download apps willy-nilly.

Blogger AdognamedOp March 21, 2018 11:56 PM  

I put no stock in anything from a continent that's rolling over to the Moorish invasion. I give the Swede version of FB five months before the gov't shuts it down.

Blogger D. March 22, 2018 12:04 AM  

The Stations of the Cross by Saint Francis of Assisi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ9om4YElns

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 22, 2018 12:12 AM  

Now that I have time to work on it, I find IDKA works fine in firefox, but not in Chrome. I have javascript disabled or some perhaps it's some other privacy setting that interferes with the way the search page is supposed to work.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 22, 2018 12:21 AM  

Gold Coast City Council decides to not use Facebook for data mining in the upcoming Commonwealth Games, saying they can't trust Facebook to keep it's user's data safe.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-22/gold-coast-dumps-facebook-login-free-wifi/9576164?pfmredir=sm

OpenID just let me March 22, 2018 1:42 AM  

Joined, and tried to sign up for Castalia House as a way to keep up with the releases. Hope you are accepting connections to that. Can't really go for ELOE as I'm just a lowly fan and not a member in on the secret handshake.

Otherwise, the emptiness over there stresses how incredibly important the participation ratio is for things like that.

Oh, and seems to work mostly OK with Brave/all shields up.

Blogger LP999-16 March 22, 2018 3:22 AM  

Wonderful, I appalud the orderliness within Idka upon review.

Liking Idka for a few professional group ideas; art assoc., a permaculture design group as the growing months start beyond the greenhouse work, ballet-Pilates-yoga groups to my art label.

I will look into joining Idka after others around here have returned with good reports.

Blogger Jack Amok March 22, 2018 3:56 AM  

FB is pretty funny. I looked at the "Ads" page where they supposedly show you what they've determined are your interests. I am apparently, according to Zuckerberg, a fan of cast iron cookware, some town in Argentina I've never heard of, and yoga pants. Also, they claim I'm a political moderate.

So either they're the worst AI programmers this side of Uber, or their "here's the data we have on you" page is a flat out lie.

I'll give idka a try.

Blogger TaurianVita March 22, 2018 7:52 AM  

@81 Snidely Whiplash - Are you in the App or on Desktop? I use Chrome on my Desktop and haven't had issues with Search. I use App on iOS. But will be happy to look into any/all issues...

Blogger Miguel March 22, 2018 8:38 AM  

Sent you a friend (?) request there, VD (Lucas).

Blogger Jefferson Kim March 22, 2018 9:42 AM  

FYI, I sent a ELoE request. My name is Jefferson Kim

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 22, 2018 10:28 AM  

I assume you are joking, because no sane person would allow one of those mini spy devices to be hooked up in their home.
Mark the Zucc may be a &$%#@, but I take my cues from him.
My laptop camera is taped over & my audio port is plugged when not in use.
Same for my phone.
There's only one tv in our house now. I made a nice slipcover for it out of 2 metallic backed, padded ironing board covers. Keeps the dust out when it's not in use, (I don't watch tv myself, my hubby only rarely), and
keeps it from (possibly) spying on you.
Is this paranoia? Probably.
I don't care. I like my privacy in my own home.

Blogger kevmalone March 22, 2018 10:31 AM  

Signed up OK using Pale Moon on the desktop.
@85Jack Amok - seems you are doing a good job maintaining cover...

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 22, 2018 10:32 AM  

The right *says* they despise FB, but you will find the majority of them on there, chatting away, posting 1.5 MILLION personal details and 1,000s of pics of their kids & grandkids, unrestricted, for the pervs to access.

Blogger Amy March 22, 2018 11:32 AM  

I’ll try it. I’m there as Amy Elle

Blogger Ahärôwn March 22, 2018 4:41 PM  

Signed up, and sent a request.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 23, 2018 5:02 AM  

Requesting ELOE access

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