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Thursday, March 22, 2018

Hello, fellow Catholics

Now we have a pretty good idea what the response to being pushed out of the circles of power of the Democratic Party will be, at least on the (D) side. They're going to run (((Hispanic))) and (((Asian))) candidates.
Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti (D) will stoke speculation that he is considering running for president in 2020 when he makes several stops across Iowa next month.

Garcetti will travel to the Quad Cities in April to deliver a keynote address at the Scott County Democrats' annual Red, White and Blue Dinner, his political spokesman said.

Later, he will make stops in Altoona, at a Carpenters Union training facility, and Des Moines, where he will take a tour with Mayor Frank Cownie (D). Garcetti will also stop in Waterloo, where his wife Amy has family.

In a statement, Garcetti spokesman Yusef Robb strongly hinted that the second-term Democratic mayor would begin pitching himself in the first-in-the-nation caucus state as an anti-Washington solution.
Don't be surprised if Garcetti shows up in 2019 with a warchest that will blow away Kamala, Biden, and any other would-be candidates. The only thing that prevents me from identifying him as the Democrats' candidate for 2020 right now is that it is too soon to tell if he is willing to take the risk of being steamrolled by Trumpslide 2020 or if he's merely positioning for a 2024 run. My initial take is that he will go all-in for 2020 if the Democrats overperform in the mid-term elections, but he may be taking a card out of the Bill Clinton playbook regardless of how they do.

Why is a mere mayor on the presidential radar? Because, with a name like Garcetti, he might sound like an Italian Catholic, but he's not.

His mother, Sukey Roth, is of Russian Jewish descent. His maternal grandfather, Harry Roth, who founded the clothing brand Louis Roth & Co., was a Jewish immigrant from Russia. It has also been reported that Garcetti's family is of Litvak descent.

An anti-Washington solution indeed.

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Blogger FUBARwest March 22, 2018 2:12 PM  

Im halfway through Crisis and Conciet and it appears that your position about (((hispanics))) and (((asians))) in American politics has changed from those days and now. Is there a column in on one of the collections discussing that change?

Blogger Salt March 22, 2018 2:15 PM  

More with the Russians. Mazel tov.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 22, 2018 2:20 PM  

Mayor of Los Angeles? Trump won't even bother to campaign, just arrest him for participating in the seditious conspiracy in California.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 22, 2018 2:24 PM  

I'll add that I see 2020 for the Dems as the equivalent of 1996 for the GOP. It's the Enema Election, which will flush out a lot of candidates rejected by the public. What has me worried is 2024. The GOP is likely to run Mike Pence - which would be a serious mistake. Nothing against Pence, but the sitting VP can't distance himself from the President. You need to run a fresh new face to win.

For the record, my money would have been on Rick Scott of Florida a month ago. Now? Greg Abbott.

Blogger Jew613 March 22, 2018 2:25 PM  

Your father did business with Hyman Roth, he respected Hyman Roth... but he never *trusted* Hyman Roth!

Not really related but Gil Garcetti Eric's father was the DA during the OH trial.

I don't see anything coming of this candidacy I don't think a Jew can win nationally in the USA, nor should he.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 22, 2018 2:30 PM  

Carpenters Union, man did those guys have to bend over for a D politician on that one, those guys probably only get work on government jobs anymore thanks to the D party import scabs.

Blogger freddie_mac March 22, 2018 2:38 PM  

Garcetti spokesman Yusef Robb

I was going to snark about the lovely mayor having an obviously Arab-named spokesman, but looks like he won't be visible part of Garcetti family much longer. Seriously, a Jew with an Arab spokesman?

http://www.laweekly.com/news/mayor-eric-garcettis-top-spokesman-resigns-5424233

Note, however, this caveat: Garcetti said he would continue to seek Robb's advice and that he will remain a member of the "Team Garcetti family."

Sooo, is the Arab out or not?

Blogger VD March 22, 2018 2:47 PM  

I don't see anything coming of this candidacy I don't think a Jew can win nationally in the USA, nor should he.

That's why I think it will be interesting and informative to see how much traction he gets. He could end up unexpectedly flaming out like Jeb Bush.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 22, 2018 2:51 PM  

"I was going to snark about the lovely mayor having an obviously Arab-named spokesman,"

Arab first name + British last name = black Muslim

Blogger Bucephalus March 22, 2018 2:58 PM  

"Seriously, a Jew with an Arab spokesman?"


Like the extremely strange "marriage" between Huma and A.Weiner......with her alleged ties to the muslim brotherhood? Strange bedfellows indeed!!!

Blogger Looking Glass March 22, 2018 2:59 PM  

Sundance at CTH has a pretty good theory that the 2020 Dem Primary will look like the 2016 GOP Primary. They are going to run *everyone*. Why? That's the only way they can get the true establishment candidate that TPTB want on the ticket. The caucus is so fractured (Clintonistas are losing all of the primaries) that there can't be any unity candidate. This is how they planned to get Jeb! through.

The current theory is that the intended candidate is Kamala Harris, but that might be falling apart. Harris is weak, annoying and a fairly terrible public speaker. They still might go that way because she has identity points (female, black, Indian [dot]), but she has less charisma than Hillary. I really, really, really hope it's some sacrificial rich White guy. No need to tip-toe around identity politics with that one.

As for Garcetti, if he's on the ticket somehow, we're just going to call him "The Russian", right? Narrative Memetics is fun!

Blogger MendoScot March 22, 2018 3:06 PM  

Sort of related, along the lines of (((overreach))) (I could have put it in the Benny thread under "path-dependence):

The nascent Sanhedrin, a Biblically mandated court of 71 elders, released a letter in Hebrew, English and Arabic inviting the Arabs as the sons of Ishmael to take their role in supporting the Third Temple as prophesied by Isaiah. This move is far more than symbolic. It is intended to bring the entire world one step closer to the global peace that will characterize the Messianic era.

“The Jews are commanded to be a nation of priests ... We are to be of service to the whole world in connecting to Hashem ... This is our purpose in life as Jews.

Of course, for us to serve, the other people need to cooperate."


Ya don't say, Rabbi?

Blogger Looking Glass March 22, 2018 3:06 PM  

@8 VD

Everyone was supposed to flame out for the rise of Jeb! in 2016. It's been 2 years already and I still don't know what the GOPe was smoking, unless the Bush Family really does have its own assassination service. But the logic of the situation to split all of the interest groups until one core candidate can produce consensus.

Garcetti & Booker both should be running. They'll pull in specific types of money and votes, but they'd be in there to flame out. However, this approach only works if you get either Trump or TPTB's candidate is just incompetent. 2016 was both, but I would expect 2020 to be incompetence only.

Oh, and Bernie is running in 2020, as well.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 22, 2018 3:28 PM  

Yeah, (((they))) have a long history of interbreeding with the financially elite.

White people aren't welcome? But look, we offer crypto-j00000s in all your favorite colors and flavors instead!

...What do you mean his family's from Russia? RACISM!

"I don't think a Jew can win nationally in the USA"

Jew? Where? Surely you aren't a RACIST profiling our nice Italian/Hispanic candidate, are you?

"The Jews are commanded to be a nation of priests"

Oh, so suddenly you're all Levites? What happened to being the faith-transubstantiated magic-dirt Judaeans/Judahites? Where did the Benjamites go anyway?

Oh, did someone say it's almost time to "unshackle Lucifer"?

Blogger Orthodox March 22, 2018 3:31 PM  

His religion in Jewish, not Catholic. He converted in 2013 after he was elected mayor.

Blogger Latigo3 March 22, 2018 3:32 PM  

I heard him speak at a clergy meeting here in Los Angeles last year and he is a quite the chameleon. Modern day Los Angeles is quite the modern day Babel and Garcetti has a lot of people fooled in this city. At the multi-faith forums in the last couple of years, there has never been a Christian speaker, there has always been a Muslim "guest" speaker and then he speaks after that, typical anti-Christ behavior. Everyone out here in Los Angeles knew he was running since last year. It would be great to see him run in 2020 and get slaughtered.
He already has all the non-Religious Jews in his pocket, I don't know about the Orthodox ones.
All of this works in the moral cesspool that is Los Angeles, so does that mean it will work for the rest of the Democrat party? Even if he does get the Democrat party ticket, I don't see how he will capture anyone else.
He has made our city worse than it already was, if that was possible. He would be a disaster for the country

Blogger Dirk Manly March 22, 2018 3:38 PM  

"Of course, for us to serve, we need to stop infiltrating other nations governments, courts, and media and trying to rule over them." would be a more accurate statement.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 22, 2018 3:39 PM  

He may run, he'll never get the nomination, let alone win. LA means illegal immigration to most Americans, and Americans don't want illegal immigration.

Blogger Hammerli280 March 22, 2018 3:41 PM  

I don't know who was advising Jeb Bush in 2015, but he was overpaid. There was no way in Heaven or on earth that man could win the nomination. The Bush name is toxic.

Smartest thing he could have done is stayed out of the race and accepted the near-inevitable Vice Presidential pick.

Were I a betting man, my money would be on Biden as a throw-away candidate in 2020. Possibly Sanders. They'll run a better campaign than HRC in 2016, one that would have beaten the Trump of 2016. Against the Trump of 2020...not a chance. He'll have four years of experience and all the major worries about him backing some crazy policy will be gone.

Blogger Blastman March 22, 2018 3:46 PM  

He could end up unexpectedly flaming out like Jeb Bush.

That flameout was great -- thank God not another sellout Bush. Jeb Bush's run was like getting 4 flat tires on a trip to the grocery store.

Blogger Looking Glass March 22, 2018 3:50 PM  

@19 Hammerli280

I just had a horrible thought. Jeb! Bush as VP nom, GOP somehow wins, then we're about in the time frame that a sudden "alt-right militia racist white man" assassinates President Cruz.

Thank the Lord these people are stupid.

Blogger Amigo March 22, 2018 4:00 PM  

Garcetti is a kind of weird guy. Usually leads from behind. Seems to know when the camera is on him so it's hard to find a bad pic of him. Speculation is he and his wife are both beards for each other. Even if he's hetero, I read an article where he said upon meeting his wife he knew it was love at first sight. His wife did not, just described him as some guy she met and was not impressed.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 22, 2018 4:17 PM  

If his former Catholicism is utilized as a tool of identity politics, it will be business as usual. I'm sure all of the Dread Ilk at this point are aware of how people such as Pope Francis, the St. Gallen Mafia, and pro-Vatican II Novus Ordo types have transformed the word "Catholic" into an identity label to be used for Leftist purposes.

Idiotic Catholics will remain blinded and will buy it...if this tactic is utilized. Practicing Catholics who believe in Church teachings will see through it.

Blogger Amigo March 22, 2018 4:19 PM  

Recently some homeless advocate reamed Garcetti in front of the news cameras while receiving an award. Garcetti just stood there with a pained smile on his face. I've also not seen him angry, so I guess he chews out staff behind the scenes.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 22, 2018 4:31 PM  

The party of Stormy Daniels is going to save the country? Paul Ryan thinks so

Blogger Peaceful Poster March 22, 2018 4:36 PM  

Running against Creepy Joe Pedo in 2020 would be so much fun for the God Emperor, and for the rest of us!

Running against (((Garcetti))), meh.

Blogger SemiSpook37 March 22, 2018 4:39 PM  

@23

Count me in as one of the latter category. I use Buchanan as my basic standard when it comes to a Catholic politician in the US. I was going to include Keyes, but I’m reminded of that whole debacle in ‘04 where the Rs wheeled him out against Dear Leader in the Illinois Senate race, just because he happened to be of a similar complexion. The read I got from the Ambassador was he was just there to fill the slot, and that was about it.

Will be honest, either is still a good consideration for a protest write-in vote here in the PDR of Maryland.

Blogger B.J. March 22, 2018 5:03 PM  

Given Obama performance v. Hillary, they'll never run another white guy, even a (((white))) guy.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 22, 2018 5:09 PM  

"and pro-Vatican II Novus Ordo types have transformed the word "Catholic" into an identity label to be used for Leftist purposes."

@23 Laramie Hirsch
Exactly. "Catholic" is a person's religion, not his identity. His ethnicity is his identity. Most people stuck in the Novus Ordo are there because they made Catholicism a passive part of their identity instead of considering what the Vatican was actually teaching.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 22, 2018 5:12 PM  

"His religion in Jewish, not Catholic. He converted in 2013 after he was elected mayor."

@15 Orthodox
Expecting a liberal who's eligible for Israeli citizenship to stay a Catholic is like expecting a dog not to sniff other dogs' piss when you take him for a walk.

Blogger Laramie Hirsch March 22, 2018 5:15 PM  

@29 Meh. I wouldn't say that. There's many ways to have an identity. Usually it's people uncommitted to religion who end up being tribalist and identify based on race. South African blacks are a good example of this now.

In fact, I'd hazard to guess the reason whites have been able to easily get along with other races (and not vice-versa) is because whites have the legacy and historical teachings of Christendom still embedded in their ever-deadening cultural backgrounds.

The Japethites have tried to bring Christianity to the Hammites and Semmites. We know the result, though.

Blogger SciVo March 22, 2018 5:21 PM  

Blastman wrote:Jeb Bush's run was like getting 4 flat tires on a trip to the grocery store.

Like driving to the store on 4 flat tires, doing 10 mph in a 40, drunk, with a kid in back. In Florida.

Blogger Longtime Lurker March 22, 2018 6:02 PM  

Garcetti needs to clean up LA's "feces on the sidewalk" problem before even considering running for national office. If anyone needs a political reality check, it's Garcetti.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 22, 2018 6:09 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:Everyone was supposed to flame out for the rise of Jeb! in 2016. It's been 2 years already and I still don't know what the GOPe was smoking, unless the Bush Family really does have its own assassination service. But the logic of the situation to split all of the interest groups until one core candidate can produce consensus.
Things get a *lot* clearer when you think of things majorly in the terms of elite vs common-man, AKA "The Uniparty", with GOP and Dem as nominal/ostensible factions -- I remember, way before the primaries got underway seeing internet-ads "Who will win? Hillary or JEB?" and knew that's what was going to be pushed.

In terms of the elites vs the common-man it'd be a great "choice" to offer, exactly analogous to: "Heads, I win; tails, you lose."

We know now that the DNC had things rigged for Hillary, but the GOP-plan was a rigging to achieve similar effect (forced selection of JEB), which I think had to do with (a) the lack of super-delegates in the Republican primaries, and (b) the game-rigging the GOP had done in 2012 to keep Ron Paul from being possible. (Remember the retroactive rule-changes for one of the states [IIRC, Iowa]? Remember how the bus full of delegates "got lost" at the national convention, circling it until it was too late for the delegates to participate in voting on some important issues [IIRC, rules, not nominations]?)

You also saw the concerted effort to get "the party" behind Cruz after JEB flopped out, showing him to be a creature of the elites.

Garcetti & Booker both should be running. They'll pull in specific types of money and votes, but they'd be in there to flame out. However, this approach only works if you get either Trump or TPTB's candidate is just incompetent. 2016 was both, but I would expect 2020 to be incompetence only.

Oh, and Bernie is running in 2020, as well.

What'e really interesting about the DNC trying the GOP plan is that it indicates (a) there's essentially no unity/loyalty in the party, at least not like previous years; and/or (b) their "cheating mechanisms" are not fully trusted by their leadership.

So, we can take that to mean one or more of the following:
(1) Hillary's loss shook them to the core;
(2) They're unsure of how loyal the party will be, I assume because of all those previously reliable Dem votes that voted Trump;
(3) If you're right, they're trying to back someone who couldn't naturally consolidate enough support w/o fracturing their base to a ridiculous amount.

At least, that's how I read things.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 22, 2018 6:14 PM  

Not to mention the economic prosperity his presidency brings.

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Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 22, 2018 6:24 PM  

Sad but true.
The greater majority of Catholics should have never been allowed in. One of the downsides of Catholicism is that when preached badly, it can lead to lemming-like behavior. I wish I could say otherwise.
Nevertheless, we will survive this pope. While Russian Orthodoxy looks better and better, it's not really an option for non-Russians, given its ethnic character. It's great, but probably best remaining insular.

It sucks that "Catholic" is synonymous with Italian, Irish, or Hispanic in the US. Nothing wrong with those groups, but it leaves out those of us descended from recusants, and the people coming from France or Southern Germany.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 22, 2018 6:31 PM  

They subordinated their faith to their childish refusal to assimilate. That brand of Catholicism is no longer even a religion. These churches are just slowly-dying community centers.
Still, ethnic cafeteria catholic or not, it's crazy that they can sit through that mass. It doesn't even look like Church when you step outside of it. Of course, my experience is in college towns full of left wing idiots, or rural churches with few under 65.
I'll shut up about Novus Ordo Church now. I don't want to drift into monomania and derail your comment.

Blogger Lovekraft March 22, 2018 6:51 PM  

The Great Meme War second campaign of 2020 will be nothing you have ever seen. The gloves will be off and nothing will be considered out of bounds. Hope you all are strapped in tight.

L Southern in UKistan public space telling muslims their god is a homo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=283&v=AxjH5hZYTbQ

Blogger Looking Glass March 22, 2018 7:03 PM  

@34 OneWingedShark

There should have been a "doesn't" in there, though you got my point. The approach is about producing a "Consensus" candidate, pre-selected, from all of the various factions. We can expect the Super Delegates to be mostly un-declared until about December 2019, then start a wave of support behind "The Candidate" through February 2020, building that wave through the primaries.

(Is it sad we're 18 months away from that and I'm giving explicit timing?)

The unanswered question is, still, "Who is The Candidate?". The Obama faction is going to be running Kamala Harris. We've known that since at least January 2017. But, there's a big problem. The Obama Faction is really, really weak and always has been. They slaughtered all of their potential candidates during the Obama Years because Obama had negative coattails. Everyone is already forgetting the fact that the Clintons then Obamas wiped out any potential rivals, and with both of them out of the mix they are going to be dealing with these Globalist Coastal elite candidates. Only ones that aren't couldn't win the primary anyway.

There's a rolling civil war within the Dems, hotter than among the GOP, and it's hard to predict the outcome right now. Which is actually why I think Biden is probably the strongest candidate going into the opening rounds. The Clintons placed people around Biden to torpedo his campaign in 2016 because he was a threat. Biden will have broad support going in, though he's going to be a fairly weak General candidate.

The Dems need black turnout in key states. They'll focus on that being what lost Hillary the election. Reality is all of the dirty tricks they pulled is what kept it from being a complete stomp. Which is why Harris & Booker will be run, but they're skipping over an issue with Obama's appeal. Firstly, he never got into the racial politics in DC in the way all others do, and, second, he's not black. He's a dark-skinned white guy from Hawaii. They ran a less competent Tito, but they can't figure out why Yugoslavia is falling apart after the fact.


@37 Wynn Lloyd

From a structural stand-point, "modern" Catholicism is a religion of peasants & serfs. You could write pages & pages about the trends leading to the Reformation (because people have), but that's one of the key issues. Over time it developed into the leadership treating everyone that wasn't in leadership like, well, peasants. Rome was the Imperial seat in the "Empire of God", and those identity threads shone through.

Both the Great Schism and the Reformation were about Power, Money & Control. When subjected to analysis as an Empire, the RCC decided, via the Counter-Reformation, to pretty much stop enforcing doctrine on the outer provinces, lest they lose even more Control. But Capitalism happened and peasants with wealth don't feel like listening to Priests. We've reached far beyond "good times" and to points never seen before.

Thus you get the Practicing vs Non-Practicing RCC split. Practicing Catholics are fine, but they defend the Non-Practicing out of identity & tribal instincts. There's a reason Protestants tend to view more Catholics as not being Christian.

Blogger dienw March 22, 2018 7:07 PM  

"The Jews are commanded to be a nation of priests"

Oh, so suddenly you're all Levites? What happened to being the faith-transubstantiated magic-dirt Judaeans/Judahites? Where did the Benjamites go anyway?


Hell, where did the Judahites go? Where are the other ten tribes? IIRC, the Talmudic Jews get their so-called authority for their "elders" from the fact that Moses chose the a number of members from each tribe to stand at the foot of Sinai as he went up to talk with God; that means the 71 members of the current Sanhedrin must have members from all of the tribes; this means the tribes still exist and those posing as Jews must know where they are; now tell us.

Blogger Jonathan March 22, 2018 7:25 PM  

I'd love to see Biden run and Trump air commercials of Biden feeling up young girls.

Blogger weka March 22, 2018 7:28 PM  

@41. Weird. Where are those descended from Ephriam, Issachar and Dan? And how do you graft the Azkenazim in?

This is about the same level of logic as British Isrealitism.

Blogger VD March 22, 2018 7:30 PM  

There's a rolling civil war within the Dems, hotter than among the GOP, and it's hard to predict the outcome right now. Which is actually why I think Biden is probably the strongest candidate going into the opening rounds. The Clintons placed people around Biden to torpedo his campaign in 2016 because he was a threat. Biden will have broad support going in, though he's going to be a fairly weak General candidate.

What do you make of Garcetti's chances? Is he going to get the Sheldon Aldelson money or are they going to roll with Trump for another four years?

Blogger Looking Glass March 22, 2018 7:58 PM  

@44 VD

I honestly don't expect any CA politician to play well outside of the State. Iowa isn't his stomping ground, it's Boston. If he can raise money there, as some weird Catholic-Jew hybrid funding machine, he might actually be a viable VP nomination. (He also wouldn't put any valuable seats at risk.)

"Ja-vanka" being around will probably keep the Tribe really broken up for the next cycle. No one ever really seems to notice that Trump always keeps one notable Jew around, almost specifically so they can't play Tribal Politics against him.

Because the Left controls the media, what's actually going on within the Democratic party is really, really hard to sort out. The Texas Primaries are a pretty good sign, though. Hard Left candidates are winning primaries; Clintonistas are getting money and coming in 4th. The Identity and Ideological splits are far more intense among the Left, and it's accelerating.

Side point: "Medicare for All" is going to be one of their rallying points for 2020. You can book that. No candidate will win the Primary without supporting it.

That civil war is really the key, though. It's a Progressive vs Corporate split. The current Dem party is the High/Low vs the Middle. The Low has gotten screwed since 2000 really, really hard, but the Low doesn't bring any money to the Democrats to run campaigns. That's all the Corporate money, which the Clintons could bring in. Note everyone that didn't toe the Clinton line got locked out from campaign cash. So the race for the VP nomination of 2020 might just be whoever can bring in the most money, as standard Democratic donors aren't getting anything for their "investment". (This also points to the way they're treating the GOPe right now. They're trying to buy more influence because the Dems can't keep anything together.)

Blogger Looking Glass March 22, 2018 8:09 PM  

My Tito reference might have been more on-point than I first thought. Tito died in 1980, and Yugoslavia broke up in 1992. They managed to just hold it all together for the Olympics in 1984, but the tensions went fully hostile in January 1990, with open warfare in June 1991.

If we take this type of analysis into the High/Low vs Middle analysis of the US Electorate, we can see the targets for Trump's approach currently. Money & Jobs for the Low, while breaking the systems that the High use to buy off the Low. This would drive the Left further into factional politics, probably culminating in an utterly destructive 2024 primary campaign.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 22, 2018 8:10 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:Reality is all of the dirty tricks they pulled is what kept it from being a complete stomp.
Interesting; I remember that (dirty tricks) also being what threw quite a few Republicans off Ted Cruz: First the fake announcement of Ben Carson dropping out in Iowa by Cruz's people and later the whole weird Colorado thing were pretty slimy.

Then there was the whole DNC-for-Hillary conspiracy thing, which I think ruffled a lot of regestered-Democrat base feathers.

Hm, maybe there's actually consequences to slinging mud and playing dirty (as opposed to 'rough') in politics. It would be funny if the Elites kept pushing/doing these sorts of things, oblivious to the ill-will they're garnering until it was too late.

Blogger Looking Glass March 22, 2018 8:26 PM  

@47 OneWingedShark

Hillary's cheating cost her dearly in local activists. Not enough to change any State, but it killed the enthusiasm. My survey, from asking around, during the 2016 campaign is that most colleges barely had any Hillary signs.

Obama was the outlier, not the "new norm". That's the power of an unknown, cipher candidate. No Democrat, with any profile, can attempt to do that again. I actually don't know if it can happen again.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 22, 2018 8:29 PM  

"Practicing Catholics are fine, but they defend the Non-Practicing out of identity & tribal instincts. There's a reason Protestants tend to view more Catholics as not being Christian."

@Looking Glass
Makes as much sense as anything. I get the distinct impression that traditionalist Catholics who've dumped the Novus Ordo (and often recognition of the latest putative popes as well) are more likely to have Protestant background -- or even be converts -- than those who insist on sticking with the Novus Ordo.

Blogger Looking Glass March 22, 2018 8:44 PM  

@49 VFM #7634

I think the difference might be the difference between "Defend the Identity" and "Defend the Faith". The latter ends up being little different from the bargain Protestants have among each others, while the former gets us really close to the Religious Wars again.

Blogger SciVo March 22, 2018 9:36 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:Side point: "Medicare for All" is going to be one of their rallying points for 2020. You can book that. No candidate will win the Primary without supporting it.

What are we looking at so far?

1. National Health Service for America;
2. Higher taxes, especially on small businesses ("the rich");
3. More spending, especially on Social Justice cult indoctrination ("education");
4. Blasphemy laws for heresy from SocJus cult dogma ("hate speech");
5. Open borders (eliminating ICE);
6. Semi-auto firearm ban;
7. Other?

Blogger Stilicho March 22, 2018 9:53 PM  

I think I'll change my last name to "Berg" and hit the (((tribe))) up for "investments" in my new hedge fund. Turnabout being fair play and all that...

Blogger Stilicho March 22, 2018 9:55 PM  

Another Cryptofashion T shirt idea: "Hello, fellow Red Sea Pedestrians!"

Blogger Thucydides March 22, 2018 10:11 PM  

@46
Think you have hit is squarely on the head. The Progressives have used their brands of identity politics to new heights, so the ability of the party to heard all these mutually hostile factions in the same direction becomes harder and harder.

If President Trump's economic plans reach fruition and we see jobs for working class Americans and Minorities, there will be some very strong forces trying to splinter those demographics. And shattering the networks of power and influence of the "High" factions not only reduces their ability to influence the "Low" factions, but I'm pretty sure they will be out with daggers to salvage and protect what shrinking pools of money and influence they have, even at the expense of their fellow conspirators.

It would be tempting to have Alt-Right minded people join the Democrat Party simply to keep faking the flames....

Blogger Jew613 March 22, 2018 10:32 PM  

Vox, Adelson will stick with Trump, he moved the embassy. The President has largely left Israel alone. You dont mess with success and Trump has been good to Israel, that is all Adelson cares about.

Blogger Ceerilan March 22, 2018 10:42 PM  

Turning the Catholics into an identity group could backfire horribly on the Marxists/Leftists. The reason being is that the USCCB has demonstrated its willingness to stand up to leftism during the Obamacare push. They actually told the President that the Catholic Church would be in civil disobedience over Obamacare because it required insurers to pay for abortions and contraceptives.

For those of you who are unaware, the Catholic Church in America is required to abide by certain regulations, one of which was paying for their employees' Obamacare once it passed. Their response was to sue the President, then openly stated that if their suit failed, they would ask Catholics to refuse to comply with the law.

Since 2013, the Papacy has been under a reputed marxist sympathizer. For the sake of analysis, that label is probably accurate enough. The previous two popes, Benedict and John Paul offered marxists no aid, but probably failed to root them out as completely as they could have. This means the left has had only 5 short years to attempt to stack the USCCB with its agents.

Ostensibly, the Pope appoints all Catholic bishops. Since there are thousands of bishops all across the world, most of this task is in practice delegated to local committees who approve candidates by unanimous decision. All readers here know how leftists view these committees. More importatly, American conservative priests ALSO know how the leftists view these committees, and have known for decades.

What this points to is...the only real test of where the USCCB will fire its rhetorical guns in a political war is when they are actually put into action.

Blogger Looking Glass March 22, 2018 11:03 PM  

@56 Ceerilan

"reputed marxist sympathizer" is a little light of a phrase for the current Pope. And "Catholic" is already an identity group, but there's big fault lines with in it.


@54 Thucydides

The High/Low vs Middle nature of our politics has been around since the collapse of the FDR coalition. It's also why the Left had to import more voters. Only idiotic Leftists vote to blow up their lives when things are going good, which also explains why the Left has to blow things up to win elections in most of the world.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 23, 2018 1:27 AM  

Turning the Catholics into an identity group could backfire horribly on the Marxists/Leftists.
Catholic has been a oolitical identiy in the US for 150 years, and is the major reason for the Democrat political hegemony of most of the last 120.

Blogger Tupla-J March 23, 2018 5:06 AM  

The Roth goes deep.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 23, 2018 5:22 AM  

I've actually heard, "I am Catholic but not Christian." Absolutely retarded.
How many of the people who do that are Southern European. If you come from a recusant background you identify with the traditional American nation, and dont use religion to mark their ethnicity.
It's a sad state of things but hopefully all of Christianity has turned the corner, finally.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira March 23, 2018 6:26 AM  

So why does he call himself, "Garcetti"? I'm Sicilian, so I don't vote for wops. Be interesting to know.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 23, 2018 12:41 PM  

"So why does he call himself, "Garcetti"? I'm Sicilian, so I don't vote for wops."

@Daniel Paul
He inherited it from an Italian ancestor who moved to Mexico and went native.

Blogger Vlad Z. March 23, 2018 5:35 PM  

Bernie might have won if the DNC machine was not controlled by Hillary. He came damn close, super-delegates could have put him over the top.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 23, 2018 11:37 PM  

It will be called "The Assault Weapons Ban."

Because no one knows what that actually means, so you are theoretically never done w/the gun grabbin'.

Guaranteed Basic Income.

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