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Saturday, March 31, 2018

No longer the media's darling

Sam Harris learns what happens when the media's Narrative moves on and you are no longer one of its favorites:
In April of 2017, I published a podcast with Charles Murray, coauthor of the controversial (and endlessly misrepresented) book The Bell Curve. These are the most provocative claims in the book:
  • Human “general intelligence” is a scientifically valid concept.
  • IQ tests do a pretty good job of measuring it.
  • A person’s IQ is highly predictive of his/her success in life.
  • Mean IQ differs across populations (blacks < whites < Asians).
  • It isn’t known to what degree differences in IQ are genetically determined, but it seems safe to say that genes play a role (and also safe to say that environment does too).
At the time Murray wrote The Bell Curve, these claims were not scientifically controversial—though taken together, they proved devastating to his reputation among nonscientists. That remains the case today. When I spoke with Murray last year, he had just been de-platformed at Middlebury College, a quarter century after his book was first published, and his host had been physically assaulted while leaving the hall. So I decided to invite him on my podcast to discuss the episode, along with the mischaracterizations of his research that gave rise to it.

Needless to say, I knew that having a friendly conversation with Murray might draw some fire my way. But that was, in part, the point. Given the viciousness with which he continues to be scapegoated—and, indeed, my own careful avoidance of him up to that moment—I felt a moral imperative to provide him some cover.

In the aftermath of our conversation, many people have sought to paint me as a racist—but few have tried quite so hard as Ezra Klein, Editor-at-Large of Vox. In response to my podcast, Klein published a disingenuous hit piece that pretended to represent the scientific consensus on human intelligence while vilifying me as, at best, Murray’s dupe. More likely, readers unfamiliar with my work came away believing that I’m a racist pseudoscientist in my own right.

After Klein published that article, and amplified its effects on social media, I reached out to him in the hope of appealing to his editorial conscience. I found none. The ethic that governs Klein’s brand of journalism appears to be: Accuse a person with a large platform of something terrible, and then monetize the resulting controversy. If he complains, invite him to respond in your magazine so that he will drive his audience your way and you can further profit from his doomed effort to undo the damage you’ve done to his reputation.
It's mildly amusing that Harris is only discovering now that the media in general, and Ezra Klein in particular, is disingenuous and utilizes character assassination as its stock tool-in-trade. Imagine what it is like for those who can be disemployed as well as discredited, Sam!
Well, you do not cease to amaze… “Junk science” is in the title of the article, and I “fell for it” (subtitle), because I didn’t do my homework (the thrust of the entire piece). Whereas in reality, you have been shown ample evidence that the science is mainstream, that I represented it accurately, and that your authors were cherry-picking it for ideological reasons.
Unfortunately for Sam, he has discovered how little interest those on the Left have in either the truth or in science, whether they are editors, reporters, or readers. The Narrative has moved on and Sam has been left behind, much to his surprise.
Judging from the response to this post on social media, my decision to publish these emails appears to have backfired. I was relying on readers to follow the plot and notice Ezra’s evasiveness and gaslighting (e.g. his denial of misrepresentations and slurs that are in the very article he published). Many people seem to have judged from his politeness that Ezra was the one behaving honestly and ethically. This is frustrating, to say the least.

Many readers seem mystified by the anger I expressed in this email exchange. Why care so much about “criticism” or even “insults”? But this has nothing to do with criticism and insults. What has been accomplished in Murray’s case, and is being attempted in mine, is nothing less than the total destruction of a person’s reputation for the crime of honestly discussing scientific data. Klein published fringe, ideologically-driven, and cherry-picked science as though it were the consensus of experts in the field and declined to publish a far more mainstream opinion in my and Murray’s defense—all to the purpose of tarring us as racists and enablers of racists. This comes at immense personal and social cost. It is also dishonest.
It sounds like Sam very much needs to read SJWs Always Lie.

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99 Comments:

Blogger Ezekiel March 31, 2018 5:11 AM  

Sam Harris is English, right? Is there a book he can read that'll help him not get raped by niggers after getting thrown in jail for wrongthink?

Blogger Crew March 31, 2018 5:13 AM  

Interestingly, Harris gets to the crux of the 'magic dirt' theory later in the exchange:

And neither I nor Murray denied that environment contributes to the differences we see across groups and between individuals.

So many people misunderstand that environment selects over a very long time (many generations, so perhaps 700 or so years) and that selection (for violence, low IQ etc) cannot be undone in a single generation or even a few just by moving people to a new environment.

Blogger The Kurgan March 31, 2018 5:14 AM  

Wait... let me express this as carefully as I can.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 5:20 AM  

I don't understand why Sam would be at all bothered by this, after all, he is just a material man, living in a material world. His molecules have been deemed to be Alt-Right handed now. As they were always meant to be.

Blogger Ezekiel March 31, 2018 5:23 AM  

EDIT: nope, that's Dawkins (who's going to be thrown in jail and raped by niggers for stare-rape, not wrongthink) and Hitchens (who's going to have his corpse dug and tried for wrongthink, Cadaver Synod-style). Sam Harris is physically safe from state violence so long as our Constitution holds out, though I wouldn't rule out a private-sector Extraordinary Rendition Site in his and our future. Perfectly constitutional.

Blogger APL March 31, 2018 5:38 AM  

"is nothing less than the total destruction of a person’s reputation for the crime of honestly discussing scientific data. "

Sam Harris is being taken out back of the woodshed and kicked back into (((line))).

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 31, 2018 5:40 AM  

@4

You also forgot that, given his ideology, he'll also probably be a material girl, Bruce Jenner style, soon enough to try and score points and survive.

Blogger Matt March 31, 2018 5:40 AM  

He should probably read "Irrational Atheist" while hez at it

Blogger Steve March 31, 2018 5:45 AM  

In the aftermath of our conversation, many people have sought to paint me as a racist—but few have tried quite so hard as Ezra Klein

Whodathunkit? Claude Rains, on getting his petain stuck in a toaster, couldn't possibly be as shocked - shocked! - as I am now.

OpenID markstoval March 31, 2018 5:54 AM  

There is a big "no go zone" in K-12 education today; even in private schools.

Most schools claim to be "data-driven" and the high stakes tests tell schools where they are. And yet, the "data analysis" never seems to mention IQ at all. In fact, I bet a fellow could get fired if he went too far and said you can't teach Algebra to those with an IQ below X.

Our school gives the Iowa CogAT test to two selected grades (3 and 6) and then never mention it again. And yet, I can guess the math placement (Algebra or Pre-Alg) and course grade for 8th grade of a kid by looking at his 3rd grade CogAT scores and the proxy for IQ contained therein.

We can not fix anything until we start talking about reality freely. It is like building a pedestrian bridge in Miami but ignoring physics.

Blogger paul b. March 31, 2018 5:59 AM  

You needn't be so angry, dearest Sam. Your consciousness is but a pernicious illusion, neither you nor Klein had any "choice" in the matter, consensus as to your "individual" "self" is thus of no concern. Fellow meat puppet Klein is driving the progress forward, you ought express emotions socially deemed to be positive in response to this fortuitous development.

Blogger Steve March 31, 2018 6:04 AM  

We can not fix anything until we start talking about reality freely.

That's why they want to deplatform, disemploy, and destroy anybody who engages in realtalk.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 6:15 AM  

"So many people misunderstand that environment selects over a very long time (many generations, so perhaps 700 or so years) and that selection (for violence, low IQ etc) cannot be undone in a single generation or even a few just by moving people to a new environment."

Given that, IIRC, the average height of the Japanese population has increased by half a foot in less than hundred years, I would say that variations can occur rapidly. Finding the triggers and keys for the desired traits, prompted by an environmental change and the amount of change possible for a sub species, is an open question.

That IQ difference exists, is not the only reason to preserve ethnicity, as it is not the only difference. But such large mean differences create a noticeable two tier society, such that even if they were honestly acknowledged, human resentment would still play a role.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore March 31, 2018 6:15 AM  

@10 K-12 instruction is filtered through the equality of outcome doctrine.

Blogger Mister Excitement March 31, 2018 6:54 AM  

The Alt Right possibly just got a new member.

As Vox has said, people won't have a choice.

Harris has been attacked, smeared, and rejected by the Left, and the Conservatives aren't a viable team to join.

The only remaining option is Alt Right.

Blogger Dirtnapninja March 31, 2018 6:58 AM  

The new athiests were rejected as soon as they began to critique Islam.

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 31, 2018 7:03 AM  

Indeed all I could do while reading this is chortle heartily as I watch him flail around, befuddled.

Blogger Duke Norfolk March 31, 2018 7:09 AM  

Of course there's absolutely no real introspection displayed here by Harris. No acknowledgment that he has essentially engaged in the same disingenuous smearing of others on this topic, and similar. He still implies that only ugly haters would be interested in race/IQ differences and what they imply for society.

He’s a snake. Let him hang.

Blogger Bob Ramar March 31, 2018 7:24 AM  

I read "The Bell Curve" while in grad school, having just started a career in higher education. Using the Armed Forces Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) for their initial baseline data was brilliant. It covers the largest group of people across all racial types and environments. It is designed to be highly predictive for skill sets. It works as advertised based on my later work with many people discharged from the armed services to help them find a career where they would be both successful and productive (and fulfilled).

When you look at cities in the US run by blacks, you can't help but draw some conclusions about race and capability. Consider Detroit, Atlanta, Washington DC, and Baltimore. I wouldn't want to live there.

Blogger pyrrhus March 31, 2018 7:38 AM  

There have been innumerable studies on every aspect of intelligence...Effect of environment on an individual's intelligence, virtually zero except the need for Iodine. Long term effect of environment on the intelligence of groups, crucial, the farther North, the smarter the group because more difficult problems to solve. In the old days of noticing, just looking at subSaharan Africa was enough to tell observers that the people weren't very bright, but now that's forbidden in the schools, and therefore everywhere.

Blogger James Dixon March 31, 2018 7:46 AM  

> Sam Harris learns what happens when the media's Narrative moves on and you are no longer one of its favorites

Based on your discussions with him, I would give Harris the benefit of a doubt and assume he is a "real scientist", i.e., one actually looking for the truth.

No real scientist has ever been a favorite of the left. Their search for truth and willingness to follow where it leads precludes that. At best they're "useful idiots" to the left, to be used and discarded when no longer convenient.

> Given that, IIRC, the average height of the Japanese population has increased by half a foot in less than hundred years

For humans 100 years is at roughly the birth of four, perhaps five generations. Selective breeding can be effective over that time span.

Blogger pyrrhus March 31, 2018 7:47 AM  

The other factor in IQ is dysgenic breeding, mainly cousin marriage.Christian Europe banned it to the 4th degree early on, which was vital. First cousin marriage reduces the IQ of the offspring by an average of 5 points, and causes excessive birth defects, but it remains popular in the clannish parts of the world. Japan banned cousin marriage early in the 20th century, and it was a factor in its rise...

Blogger pyrrhus March 31, 2018 7:51 AM  

Given that, IIRC, the average height of the Japanese population has increased by half a foot in less than hundred years

Nutrition, not evolution, has been responsible for short term height increases all over the world....The diet of most peasant groups has generally been deficient in amino acids, thanks to their kindly overlords...

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 31, 2018 7:58 AM  

He could have asked Klein if Klein believes in the Blank Slate Theory, but NO he had to play intellectual.

Blogger Rick March 31, 2018 7:59 AM  

Why is Harris discovering this only now — he must be low IQ.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 8:06 AM  

"the farther North, the smarter the group because more difficult problems to solve."

Eskimos, visual acuity trade off, really big heads, low IQ. All based on assumption. Not to say that I disagree with you, just that it is what it is. We will know more when we know more. Yes, sub Saharan Africans were found to be in a primitive state, but like most parts of the world, there is evidence of previous advanced civilizations, given that empires fall, it is possible that they wuz kangz at some point.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 8:16 AM  

"Nutrition, not evolution, has been responsible for short term height increases all over the world....The diet of most peasant groups has generally been deficient in amino acids, thanks to their kindly overlords..."

To be technical, if we are using an evolutionary heuristic, the nutrition in this case _is_ selecting.

Blogger The Cooler March 31, 2018 8:24 AM  

The Left is and has always been aware that IQ matters, so it's important to refuse their premises (a.k.a. lies) outright and not play the game.

What they also know is that if a real thing is denied long enough, vehemently enough -- and you control the dynamics of memetic evolution -- that very real thing can be made a very not-real thing over time. This is one of the reasons they despise meritocracy and engage in such railing, abject rationalizations against it: It simply does not meet the end-goal of homogenization.

Which is the only conceivable means by which to make that very not-real thing -- equality -- real.

Virtually everything the Left believes is little more than a highly nuanced form of fake-it-'till-ya-make-it, which of course appeals to the vast, random hordes of free-range fools that now hop the Western World.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira March 31, 2018 8:24 AM  

Sam is going to act like he didn't see this coming all along. Sam knew better a long time ago, but he was too chicken sh*t.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 31, 2018 8:36 AM  

My sympathy for fools has been drained white.

Appealing to Ezra Klein's editorial conscience? Seriously?

This like a Jew strapped to a table at Auschwitz pointing out to Josef Mengele, that he once took an oath to "first do no harm."

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) March 31, 2018 8:43 AM  

Sam Harris has been coddled his entire life by his passive ((( membership ))).

now he's shocked, SHOCKED i say, to have to deal with what all the rest of us have been dealing with.

Blogger Johnny March 31, 2018 8:44 AM  

"the farther North, the smarter the group because more difficult problems to solve."

The brain sucks up a lot of calories. In a cold climate calories have to be burned anyway for body heat, thus a large brain sucking up a lot of calories would be no real disadvantage. Plus cold climates require prior preparation for survival. Some future time orientation necessary, and in humans that is driven by intellect. You got to be smart enough to do it.

Blogger Johnny March 31, 2018 8:49 AM  

Unless you think the Japanese have been selectively breeding for height in a very intense way, like the two or three percent of the tallest guys got to do all the reproduction, the variation in height is environmental. Traditional diets were economy based, typically high carbohydrate and perhaps no surplus of that ingredient.


If you want to calculate the rate of genetic change per generation the equation is the degree of difference in the population times the degree of selection for an identified difference. That is:

Rate of change = (in population) difference X (degree of) selection

So, how fast can a human population change. Depends on variation. Forget the minority population, in the United States those people labeled white already vary a lot. Conceptually I am thinking of a high school graduation picture. The kids are arranged by size. Some are a lot taller than others. And there are other differences we will pass on for now. Plus they vary in their intellectual aptitude, as witness by the grading. And they vary in physical ability. Have them run and some will run a lot faster than others. Etc.

By comparison, animal species are remarkably alike. Go to a zoo and most of the creatures of a single species will look and perform alike. That is, human variability or difference is high.

Plus human societies are apt to do artificial selection. None of slow or weak or clumsy kids make it onto the team. The selection process can be close to perfect.

The conclusion:

Owing to high variability and the potential for high selectivity, human populations can change genetically very fast. No need for a hundred or a thousand generations, identifiable changes can take place in a single generation.

Blogger PCA March 31, 2018 8:49 AM  

>> The ethic that governs Klein’s brand of journalism appears to be: Accuse a person with a large platform of something terrible, and then monetize the resulting controversy.

To sum up, a full jew jewed a half jew.

Are we supposed to care?

Obviously, one does not go after the Tribe's main lie and line of defense, race, with impunity.

Blogger Robert Browning March 31, 2018 8:50 AM  

The Jews are at war with reason. Can't you see?

Blogger tz March 31, 2018 8:51 AM  

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Blogger tz March 31, 2018 8:53 AM  

Andrew Sullivan goes there, the controversy is renewed because of the NYT op-ed by David Reich

You are either a race (and or sex) science denier, or a racist and sexist.

Interesting math fact: a Klein Bottle is one sided.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 9:12 AM  

"Plus human societies are apt to do artificial selection."

I would only add that in terms of evolution, artificial and natural, have no distinction. It's ultimately Platonism. Deal with that atheists. Luckily, we have free will to _adapt_.

Blogger Lovekraft March 31, 2018 9:14 AM  

Something tells me that, were Klein to be sued, he would make every effort to ensure the best legal representation, rather than get one out of the diversity hire pool.

Blogger Lovekraft March 31, 2018 9:22 AM  

I'm not sure of the real meaning of this, but I envisioned the state of our society ruled by marxists as thus:

a fire is engulfing a building with many representatives of groups in it. The only one able to reach the fire alarm is hobbled and crawling towards it when he sees, beside it, temptations. Temptations that would mean he is consumed, but also everyone in those aformentioned groups. This person chooses to go down in flames through this petty indulgence.

Blogger Sherwood family March 31, 2018 9:22 AM  

Well, I know I am stunned. And appalled. And horrified. And all those other things that Sam Harris wants me to be because...gasp...some one had the effrontery to attack him for being all sciency and stuff.

Guess what? Sam Harris can be obliterated by the Narrative just as easily as the rest of us. The fact that he just discovered this says volumes about him. He should stop crying about it, grow a pair ,and realize that the wave he rode to fame on doesn't care about science, or truth, or anything but power and if he crosses it, it will destroy him just as easily.

Sam Harris was allowed to do what he did because a society founded by Christians, ironically enough, does care about things other than power and is especially interested in truth. The fact that our society is running on the fumes of Christian belief just means Sam couldn't see the connection quite so easily. But it will become more apparent when he is directly subjected to the poo flinging atheist hordes he helped spawn on the interwebs because of his "apostasy" from the Narrative.

Blogger Zaklog the Great March 31, 2018 9:24 AM  

Eh, Sammy was useful to them when their primary target was Christianity. But they feel they've done enough damage there and now their primary target is whites in general. Sammy is no longer useful, but a liability. Sucks to be Sammy.

Blogger Troushers March 31, 2018 9:26 AM  

Klein's response is hilarious where he outlines "his own view" that Blacks low IQ is white people's fault because of slavery. He must be a firm believer in Wakanda.

Blogger Looking Glass March 31, 2018 9:33 AM  

@27 Rocklea Marina
@32 Johnny

To save a very, very long discussion on the topic, it's adaptive genetics for neurological metabolism that's the issue with IQ everyone is trying to sort out. It's not just the "environment", it is also the Macronutrient & micronutrient profile that radically influence nation-wide IQ levels.

Further, subject IQ to analysis of both Latitude & Altitude, then look at what that Mental Energy expenditure has to do. Too close to the Equator and you have to absorb high-heat (so low metabolism) and high violence. Too close to the Poles, you need to survive extreme cold. The high IQ populations are in specific bands of growing regions & environment.

Then, into those populations, IQ is also variant, to a point, with overall health & life expectancy. In a land where your sheer brutality against others (or absorbing the sheer brutality of the land) doesn't win the day, those that can think & react won out. Obviously, the Northern, East Asian cultures crushed their extremely intelligent under the oppressiveness of their cultures, so they do have lower variance than you would expect.

If you dig even further, you can start to notice trends within population groups even for very similar IQs. Different mental tasks leverage different parts of neurophysiology. Some people are just capable of reading for longer, while others are not and there's little to do about it.

Though the one wrinkle is that the Brain is much more similar to a Muscle than a normal Organ. It's adaptive within a range, given genetics, and some of that adaptation can be passed on in successive generations. This is why populations that Christianize become more efficient, while Islamic populations radically regress in intelligence.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 31, 2018 9:33 AM  

"I don't understand why Sam would be at all bothered by this, after all, he is just a material man, living in a material world."

Much like how materialists talk about the philosophical zombie without realizing that that's precisely what everyone is according to a materialist's own beliefs.

Oh, wait...

" Japan banned cousin marriage early in the 20th century, and it was a factor in its rise..."

Not exactly. Japanese Civil Law circa 1896 or 98 establishes that marriages cannot be the third degree of kinship or nearer. First cousins are fourth degree. That being said, cousin marriage is certainly discouraged in the more developed areas of Japan.

China, South Korea, and Taiwan all strictly prohibit it though.

"The Jews are at war with reason. Can't you see?"

You got a problem with the cultural traditions of the Jewry, Goyim?

Blogger Nathan March 31, 2018 9:43 AM  

Ezra Klein, editorial conscience?? Why does nobody remember the "journolist" scandal from a few years ago? The fact is Klein's Vox was founded right around the time that, while he was not necessarily fired at the Washington Post, he wasn't going to be able to write there anymore. Then he was credibly accused of plagiarism by Nate Silver and others, yet he remains a credible media figure. All of this has been aggressively cast down the internet memory hole.

OpenID karsten01 March 31, 2018 9:43 AM  

What Sam Harris failed to realize, as a sincere atheist, is that the (((Ezra Kleins))) of the world, and the media/culture over which they hold hegemonic control, is not actually atheist in sincerity, as Harris foolishly in good faith believed, but is only disingenuously so.

Rather, Klein is an enforcer for (((their))) new state religion -- call it Cultural Marxist or Holocaustianity (as its founding myth) or whatever one likes.

Klein's piece is founded not in the least on science, but on morality -- on the deformed, "progressive stack" perversion of morality that his religion strives to impose. Harris committed the blasphemy of questioning that religion's tenets, or at least of giving a dissident a voice, and was predictably denounced as a heretic, in the familiar manner.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora March 31, 2018 9:44 AM  

Sam is fun to watch sometimes. I don't get the guy. He once lied about Jesus before to a live audience presenting a parable as Jesus himself actively commanding the disciples to bring sinners to him so he could slay them. And yet here he is using dialectic against rhetorical slanderers like some broken robot for the sake of truth however meager a defender of it he is. I guess he's just a domain specific thinker.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 9:52 AM  

@44 Looking Glass
"In a land where your sheer brutality against others (or absorbing the sheer brutality of the land) doesn't win the day, those that can think & react won out."

Bullets changed that dynamic bigly. Nobleman of yesteryear were always on the front lines. Many were slaughtered in the modern era. Overall G is in decline, perhaps as a result of the change in warfare.
Really good talk on the subject between YouTuber, The Distributist and Michael Woodley.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOudO5EPI0M

And these two, for the readers:
https://goo.gl/ch5318
https://goo.gl/TsZFzo

Blogger Looking Glass March 31, 2018 10:06 AM  

@49 Rocklea Marina

Overall G would be in decline because of advances in Medicine. Autistic children used to rarely make it to adulthood, having upwards of -1 SD worse immune system than the normal population, yet no one talks about their child dropping over dead these days. Infant mortality dropping so low means that a significant portion of those that would have died pass on weaker genes.

Warfare doesn't claim enough lives since rise of combined-arms military organization. It's the rise of the left-half of the G curve surviving at a higher rate and the right-half being convinced not to have children by the Globalist Elites.

OpenID bgkoranburner March 31, 2018 10:07 AM  

"the farther North, the smarter the group because more difficult problems to solve."Eskimos, visual acuity trade off, really big heads, low IQ

The main problems are food & planning. As far as availability of food eskimos are in an R type environment they can always get low hanging seals. People who had to grow a surplus to make it thru winter evolved for IQ.

The brain sucks up a lot of calories

If I recall correctly nerve tissue at rest consumes 20x the energy as muscle tissue at rest, making brains biologically expensive

the average height of the Japanese population has increased by half a foot in less than hundred years

Height is cumulative, if you don't have everything your body needs to build during a growth spurt you will be short. Nature sets the upper bounds, Nurture can only take away from that.

As VD said Nature makes, nurture breaks.

OpenID bgkoranburner March 31, 2018 10:13 AM  

Looking glass- on the subject of healthcare letting stupid people survive, have you seen Belgium's new Health minister? https://gab.ai/BGKB/posts/22790188

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 31, 2018 10:15 AM  

"not actually atheist in sincerity, as Harris foolishly in good faith believed"

Somehow I doubt Harris is atheist in good faith either.

Blogger Unknown March 31, 2018 10:16 AM  

The Japanese have not increased in height by 5 inches in the last 100 years. The height of Japanese 11-year-olds has increased by 5 inches, but that is due to earlier onset of puberty resulting from more milk and more hormones in the diet. They've also increased their protein intake and reduced the incidents of certain diseases. Overall, Japanese adult height has increased by 2 inches over the past 100 years, not 5. Height has increased worldwide by similar amounts for the same reasons: better diet and fewer diseases.

Blogger Avalanche March 31, 2018 10:17 AM  

@13 "Given that, IIRC, the average height of the Japanese population has increased by half a foot in less than hundred years, I would say that variations can occur rapidly."

This is a very common misconception (Molyneux recently interviewed a researcher who wrote a book ON IQ and genetics -- and even she .... carefully slid over the actual science and its ramifications... (But then, as an academic, she may have been carefully "not believing" what her lying eyes were showing her? Or at least not talking about it in public?)

Yes "nurture" absolutely affects genetics. (This woman says there very solid evidence of around 50% of ... everything about us ... is genetic; which makes the other 50% environment (epigenetics).

However, she -- and your 'short people of Japan' -- examples have it backward... (She, too, discussed 'short people' as having been 'affected' by nurture: that if they were nutritionally deprived, then they do not reach the height they "should have" on the basis of their genetics. Yes-absolutely, epigenetics acting on 'height' can prevent reaching the genetically intended height (or a person or a people), but can't over-rule it!)

That's problem in saying or believing that once these 'short people' are given adequate nutrition, then they "grew a half a foot in 100 years." That is Darwin backwards! Over the millennia, the (locally) 'tall' people who required more or better food DID NOT PASS ON their genes! The shorter folks who did okay (i.e., reproduced) on mediocre food became the 'genetics of that people.' So, that whole PEOPLE ended up (genetically) short. And once you give them better food, they will become (slightly) taller -- but they will NOT exceed their genetic predisposition.

If you give pygmies (or Guatemalans) way-more than adequate good food -- and even an enriched environment (and oh hey, look! it's MAGIC DIRT!!!) -- they still do NOT reach "normal" human height. They may indeed reach the height their genetics predispose them too (your half-a-foot-taller Japanese) but they do not become giants -- or even 'normal'!

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 31, 2018 10:27 AM  

IQ be dadebil.

Blogger Nathan Wright March 31, 2018 10:31 AM  

Esssra Klein: liberal or (((liberal)))? Learn the difference, it could save your life.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 10:35 AM  

@55 Avalanche
I suggest you _carefully_ reread my post @13. Nothing I wrote there contradicts anything you wrote. Excepting the Magic Dirt in Africa. I am reliably informed that it will be activated, the very minute the final last person of African descent returns to Magical continent of their forefather Kangz. It is known.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 31, 2018 10:40 AM  

Eskimos, visual acuity trade off, really big heads, low IQ

@26 Rocklea Marina
They're the smartest hunter-gatherers in the world, so there's that.

They look like Koreans, though, so I suppose we could use Koreans as their agriculture-using industrialized counterparts.

Blogger Looking Glass March 31, 2018 10:40 AM  

Happy Easter, all, for He is Risen!

Blogger VFM #7634 March 31, 2018 10:43 AM  

(Along those lines, I always thought it would be funny if Denmark handed Greenland over to South Korea.)

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 10:45 AM  

Happy Easter, He is Risen. International timeline benefits an all.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 10:50 AM  

"(Along those lines, I always thought it would be funny if Denmark handed Greenland over to South Korea.)"

Norkist.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales March 31, 2018 10:54 AM  

@59

Eskimos also had no history of heart problems before encountering the west because all they ate was high fat, moderate protein, and low carbs from very blubbery animals and ate fuck all sugar in the form of alcohol or sweets or etc.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore March 31, 2018 10:55 AM  

Rumor: Laura Ingraham is "stepping down". Obviously this is a rumor and unsubstantiated. If she is stepping down then this opens the door for the far Left to indulge in continued madness.

When the Dems get crushed in the midterms, they too can blame the GOP establishment for hastening their demise.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 11:03 AM  

"Rumor: Laura Ingraham is "stepping down". Obviously this is a rumor and unsubstantiated. If she is stepping down then this opens the door for the far Left to indulge in continued madness."

Embrace the madness. At this point, SJWs are our bestest marketing division.

Blogger Al From Bay Shore March 31, 2018 11:07 AM  

@66 If your opponent is destroying himself then get out of the way.

Blogger tuberman March 31, 2018 11:19 AM  

What the SJWs are doing with people like Sam, the Alt-Right will have to do with even gutsy Civic Nationalists in the future. This should be approached through creative Culture Wars first.

Example, Roseanne and her show, gutsy. Talks about all sorts of important stuff, jobs, manufacturing, and the middle-class. On Twitter she's gone so far as the child-trafficking and a bit of the pedogate thing. Just right for red-pilling (very beginning red-pills) currently to an audience that knows zip about these things or has only heard vague rumors.

Yet Roseanne, is like that lady out of the Canterberry Tales, the Wife of Bath (or some such), she's a Feminist to the max, and there will be a parting of the ways.

We'll have to see how far the God-Emperor goes, but remember he is under threats, or assassination (I heard 7 serious attempts), and these are hard lessons, so he has to go pretty far in his defeat of these Traitors. We need to demand most of the heads of the evil ones, as they can be released from long term prison.

OpenID Rusty March 31, 2018 11:57 AM  

Time for another drug-fueled retreat to the himalayas, Sammy boy!

Blogger Johnny March 31, 2018 12:21 PM  

Primitive warfare was usually tribal warfare. Every adult man was expected to attend and the goal was often mass murder of the other side. As the people making war would be more closely related to each other than the other side, even those who died to achieve victory would have genetically similar people who would pass on their genetic type.

Among a lot of tribal groups there was an easy tolerance for violent behavor among men. The reason for this is straight forward. The best, most aggressive men would be most likely to produce a victory, which would be good for everbody. Thus they were tolerating individual behavior that was self serving for the group.

And not too infrequently the best warrior had the best sexual opportunity. This is covertly documented in the Bible. Most of the patriarchs had multiple wives and concubines. I forget who but one of them had fifty sons, add in the daughters and that is a hundred offspring. Alas the males were all murdered by the new potentate, but that still left behind fifty daughters who very likely survived.

What I suspect is that with the more modern societies, the link between warfare and genetic success is gone, and those who reproduce the most are those who avoid the battlefield.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 31, 2018 12:26 PM  

"When you look at cities in the US run by blacks, you can't help but draw some conclusions about race and capability. Consider Detroit, Atlanta, Washington DC, and Baltimore. I wouldn't want to live there."

Detroit is in such desperate shape (and bankruptcy), the blacks there had to stop electing black mayors.

They were going to try to sell off all the art (collected before black Communist Coleman Young) in the Detroit Institute of Arts, so that they could flush more money down the toilet, but some lawsuit prevented that -- as I recall, they started a tax on the suburbs some years ago, in exchange for free admission if you live in any of several counties. That court ruled that gives the suburbs enough ownership that the city clowncil thieves can be prohibited from raiding the DIA for more money to blow on boondoggles, fraud, waste, and abuse.

That left them with no alternative but to elect a white mayor.... OR, see all of their city pensions become absolutely worthless. They broke down and elected a white mayor.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 31, 2018 12:33 PM  

@33 Johnny

You're leaving out the massive impact of malnutrition on the populace of an island chain in which is over 95% of the land mass is unfarmable bare-rock mountains.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 31, 2018 12:35 PM  

@35

"The Jews are at war with reason. Can't you see?"

Jesus made that point about the Pharisees 2000 years ago.

Blogger Johnny March 31, 2018 12:42 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:@33 Johnny

You're leaving out the massive impact of malnutrition on the populace of an island chain in which is over 95% of the land mass is unfarmable bare-rock mountains.


A lot of agrarian societies expand to the point where the population is not well fed. The diet shifts to carbs for reason of economy. Now that they are more wealthy many of the oriental populations are shifting to a western style diet, and picking up our diet related diseases.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan March 31, 2018 1:27 PM  

Andrew Sullivan recently has written a piece that will do more to destroy the religion of the Blank Slate Theory than all the right wing spergs.

Per usual the right wing is out to save the Left's dogma so they can debate details.

Blogger James March 31, 2018 1:39 PM  

"Many readers seem mystified by the anger I expressed in this email exchange. Why care so much about “criticism” or even “insults”? But this has nothing to do with criticism and insults."

You'd think a guy who has been studying the issue of human intelligence would have noticed howfa king stupid the vast majority of people are by now. And especially how so often the supposedly smartest of the smart turn out to be the stupidest idiots of them all.

Blogger Bad Attitude March 31, 2018 1:59 PM  

@1 " Is there a book he can read that'll help him not get raped by niggers after getting thrown in jail for wrongthink?"

Yes, there is such a book: "You Are Going To Prison" by Jim Hogshire. While described as a prison survival guide, it is primarily a guide to how to avoid being raped, and otherwise avoid nonconsensual sex, in prison.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 31, 2018 2:29 PM  

As he directly experiences the consequences of his altruism, I wonder if Sam Harris believes that evolutionary theory adequately explains the moral imperative he felt to defend Murray.

Blogger Pale Male March 31, 2018 2:40 PM  

You're leaving out the massive impact of malnutrition on the populace of an island chain in which is over 95% of the land mass is unfarmable bare-rock mountains.
Mountains can be terraced and farmed.  I'm not sure how well this squares with high seismic activity (I suspect not at all), but it is done and does work elsewhere in E. Asia.

This does help explain the popularity of sushi.

Blogger tublecane March 31, 2018 3:56 PM  

@tuberman- Roseanne is one of them situational allies, maybe sirta like Reagan Democrats who got left behind by shifting political and ideological winds. She's identified with blue-collar types on her show and in her act forever, and Trump is Main Streeting it.

Probably didn't help that she got called white trash for decades despite having technotec (((immunity))).

Blogger tublecane March 31, 2018 3:58 PM  

@Noah B- They have their dodges for that. Secret Selfishness, Hard Man, Soft Man. Heck, maybe Murray's genes fooled his genes into working for them somehow. Zapped them with evolution rays.

Blogger Ceerilan March 31, 2018 4:34 PM  

Wasn't Ezra Klein one of the three Wall Street Journal writers who wrote the slander article about PewDiePie? First reaction to seeing this, but that's an issue that should never be forgotten.

Blogger Goes211 March 31, 2018 4:49 PM  

Sam Harris and his guest weres calling Stefan Molyneux a holocaust denier in his recent "White Power" podcast.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 31, 2018 5:09 PM  

I hear you, they will never admit that the number one factor of a child being "left behind" is genetics, often those of the parents in conjunction with the child. Low IQ parents aren't really trying to sit and read the classics to their kids.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 31, 2018 5:11 PM  

"Human resentment" - satans favorite societal plaything

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 31, 2018 5:13 PM  

Hutchins even had the audacity to say women couldn't be funny, though I believe he back-tracked a little before he succumbed to his years of smoking and drinking.

Blogger Avalanche March 31, 2018 5:13 PM  

@58 You at @13 "Given that, IIRC, the average height of the Japanese population has increased by half a foot in less than hundred years, I would say that variations can occur rapidly."

You at @58 I suggest you _carefully_ reread my post @13. Nothing I wrote there contradicts anything you wrote

I read it _carefully_ the first time. Your mistake is in either understanding or phrasing:
"I would say that variations can occur rapidly"

You implication is that their GENETICS varied rapidly; not "merely" that their nutrition over a very large chain of generations was stunted (and the shorties survived and reproduced, the taller didn't); and their stunting was caused by lack of resources. Once (many many generations in) that (nutritional) stunting was removed, they therefore "now" became a taller subspecies than they had been. Not a tall species, but merely one reaching the full height of the now-SHORT (genetically) subspecies they had become through selective breeding (in this case, the deaths without reproduction of those whom the resources could not effectively support over many many generations).

The genes did not and I'd suggest probably could not have *changed* -- a subset of the height-genes for that population were extinguished. That "variation" WENT AWAY! (And probably not all that rapidly.)

Since those negatively affected by the lack of a needed resource (food) are not likely to continue to contribute genes to the population (i.e., their genes selectively disappear from some future level(s) of that population), once abundant or sufficient food becomes available, those gone-genes cannot show up again. That population is ever after (sans outside 'gifting' of genes for height) short. The "tall" genes are gone. The "rapidly occurring variation" is resources NOT genetics. And the genetic limit is absolutely still in play!

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 31, 2018 5:13 PM  

*Hitchens

Blogger Avalanche March 31, 2018 5:33 PM  

@84 "Low IQ parents aren't really trying to sit and read the classics to their kids."

Low IQ parents aren't really ABLE to sit and read the classics to their kids.

FIFY

Blogger DonReynolds March 31, 2018 5:34 PM  

Sam seems to actually believe that shame is a universal, human trait and when people are shamed for lying, they will (at some point) feel guilty and make an effort to relieve their painful guilt and shame by making amends and correcting themselves. Sam is not prepared to deal with those who have no such shame (and therefore feel no guilt).

Gandhi had a similar failing and he was fortunate that his opponent was the British Empire and not the Third Reich. He was actually asked if he thought his non-violent method would have worked on Hitler.

When dealing with power, and the ruthless use of that power, there is no magic or trick or jiu jitsu throw that will enable you to win or prevail. You cannot play dead and hope they will leave you alone and go away. Either you will win or your enemies will.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 31, 2018 5:40 PM  

Avalanche you're both ultimately arguing about different arbitrary periods of time.

The realities remain:

#1: Their diets changed and they suddenly grew taller.

#2: It is possible for a large amount of genetic shift to occur in only one or two generations.

If and/or how much their genes for height may have been culled depends on how long they suffered insufficient nutrition, as well as how much adaptive inflexibility those various height genes would have conferred. If the genes can be offset by the persons in question simply not growing as tall while experiencing inadequate nutrition, it is not necessary that they die or otherwise fail to leave offspring.

How flexible or inflexible those potential adaptations were would be what determined either the preservation or reduction of various genes for height, as well as how slowly or rapidly such reduction would occur.

Blogger Jack Amok March 31, 2018 8:12 PM  

Good grief, are people daft? Take two identical twins, feed one a good diet, starve the other as they're growing up, and the underfed one will be smaller and less healthy. The Japanese getting taller over the 20th century didn't have anything to do with genetics. This isn't hard.

Blogger Johnny March 31, 2018 8:29 PM  

Even evil people feel shame. The extreme case of no shame at all is a sociopath. I don't believe they are common, but there are some among us and I suspect it is hereditary, not environmental.

Along with causing people to be smaller, extreme want of food while young will make a person stupid. I doubt it has ever been studied, but if the stupid person's brain burns fewer calories, maybe it is a successful adaptation to circumstance.

Blogger Rocklea Marina March 31, 2018 8:52 PM  

@91 Azure Amaranthine
"The realities remain:

#1: Their diets changed and they suddenly grew taller.

#2: It is possible for a large amount of genetic shift to occur in only one or two generations."

Just so. So we've discovered genes, mapped them and are beginning to understand how they express physically. They are not labelled. whether it was one gene, or, the entire genome that changed, when an entire species' physical characteristic changed, is irrelevant. We've been modifying genes long before we understood what a gene was.

To be clear, Evolution, as a theory, is radical materialism and as such is incoherent. It has to deny the Law of Non Contradiction and logic as a whole to operate. I have no monkey ancestors. The expression of numbers over time has varied more than than men, excepting the fall of course.

Blogger The Deuce March 31, 2018 9:12 PM  

Vox, if you can, you might want to set up the blog so that the first comment doesn't automatically become the subtitle when somebody posts one of your blog posts on Facebook. Ezekiel's use of the n-word in comment #1 above ended up in the header on FB when I posted this article there, shocking more than a few people no doubt, and I didn't realize it for hours.

Blogger tz March 31, 2018 11:17 PM  

What hasn't been covered in depth is the the effect of EPIgenetics and that it isn't just all who your ancestors were.

Union senority and forcing blacks to obey white cultural norms almost allowed for integration, but was replaced with forces selecting the opposite.

I point out the new marshmallow test has a white boy and black girl each given one marshmallow and someone promises that if they don't eat it for 15 minutes they will get a second. In the 2018 version, after 15 minutes, the white boy still has his marshmallow, which the adult takes and gives to the black girl.

How many times do you need to repeat for whites and males to learn and adapt? See MGTOW.

Blogger DonReynolds April 01, 2018 1:53 AM  

@93 Johnny
"Even evil people feel shame. The extreme case of no shame at all is a sociopath. I don't believe they are common, but there are some among us and I suspect it is hereditary, not environmental."

Yes, we hear that frequently these days. The Leftists insist that anyone who does not share their revulsion and shame....must be a sociopath. What causes shame is by no means universal. What might cause widespread shame in Japan, might not raise an eyebrow in New York City.

I recall an interview between a feminist journalist and Miss Lillian, back when Jimmy Carter was president.
The journalist asked if Jimmy Carter ever told lies when he was growing up.
Miss Lillian said, yes....but they were only white lies.
The journalist went orbital...insisting that lies were lies, whether they were black or white. After all, what did Miss Lillian consider white lies?

So Miss Lillian told her....Do you remember when you first arrived and I told you how glad I was to see you and how pretty you looked?

Blogger VFM #7634 April 01, 2018 11:59 PM  

"Jesus made that point about the Pharisees 2000 years ago."

@Dirk Manly
Not to mention being the victim of the world's best-known SJW attack.

Blogger Ezekiel April 02, 2018 5:44 PM  

The Deuce wrote:Vox, if you can, you might want to set up the blog so that the first comment doesn't automatically become the subtitle when somebody posts one of your blog posts on Facebook. Ezekiel's use of the n-word in comment #1 above ended up in the header on FB when I posted this article there, shocking more than a few people no doubt, and I didn't realize it for hours.
1. Why are you still on facebook?
2. Remember when he had the "Rape Bunny" image at the top of the website? That used to be the first thing you saw whenever you tried to post a link from here.

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