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Monday, March 26, 2018

/pol is always right

And the real, documented government conspiracies are always more outlandish than the conspiracies you dismiss as being impossible far-fetched.

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Blogger TheMaleRei March 26, 2018 1:04 PM  

You cannot make this kind of thing up.

And another example of why I don't automatically dismiss conspiracies anymore...

Blogger Ken Prescott March 26, 2018 1:06 PM  

Even more:

Emma Gonzalez admits to bullying Nikolas Cruz

https://youtu.be/kHge-tgZClM

I recognized her language: I was on the receiving end of it from every bully I encountered in school.

Blogger Ransom Smith March 26, 2018 1:12 PM  

Federal Buearu of Incompatence
Where every crime we stop was one we created

Blogger Looking Glass March 26, 2018 1:13 PM  

And that's still something of a cover-up. We sorted out back in 2016 he was a CIA asset in the past.

Blogger A rebel without a General March 26, 2018 1:16 PM  

Of all the sad words of tongue or pen the saddest are these: /pol/ was right again

Blogger Brick Hardslab March 26, 2018 1:25 PM  

Just like our Boston bombers. Weird how all our domestic terrorists have connections to our alphabet soup agencies.

Blogger KBuff March 26, 2018 1:34 PM  

Yet more evidence that FBI involvement in these events is not mere incompetence.

Blogger Wolfman at Large March 26, 2018 1:41 PM  

Autistic thought of the Day: Trump is going to build The Wall using seized criminal assets taken from Mexican Drug cartels. Since The Wall will be 'under budget' the surplus money will be given back the Mexican people.

Blogger Mocheirge March 26, 2018 1:50 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Federal Buearu of Incompatence

Where every crime we stop was one we created


But not every crime we create is one we stop.

Blogger NoneOfTheAbove March 26, 2018 1:51 PM  

And now she thinks she can bully the whole country like the good little Maoist she is.

Ken Prescott wrote:Even more:

Emma Gonzalez admits to bullying Nikolas Cruz

Blogger Hammerli280 March 26, 2018 1:59 PM  

@8: That would be a masterstroke if Trump can pull it off.

WRT the Mateens, one wonders if this was not part of the motivation. "Daddy was a CIA operative, so I have to turn Jihadi."

Blogger Cetera March 26, 2018 2:02 PM  

Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related:
https://archive.is/DTJoU

There's no way that "buck-oh-five" tag wasn't conceived of by someone familiar with Team America. I'm not sure if there is someone higher up in the movement that is trolling from the inside, or if the movement chose this knowing it would be recognized and did so to demonstrate the level of control they have over the zombies who took it seriously.

[Team America]
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty fuckin' fee
And if you don't throw in your buck-oh-five?
Who will?

Freedom costs a buck-oh-five!
[/Team America]

Blogger Nathan March 26, 2018 2:03 PM  

I can't believe people aren't more upset about this. It's barely registering on mainstream news sources.

Blogger NoneOfTheAbove March 26, 2018 2:05 PM  

And meanwhile in Texas, remember the "Draw Mahommed" shooting? Just driving around by accident.

"An undercover FBI agent who was investigating terrorism was diving past two Arizona men just before they opened fire outside a Prophet Muhammad cartoon contest in suburban Dallas in 2015, court records show"

Oh, maybe not by accident.

"Court records also show that the unidentified FBI agent was in contact with one of the gunmen days before the attack. In one social media exchange, the officer told Simpson, in a bid to keep the conversation going, "Tear up Texas.""

Blogger Robert Divinity March 26, 2018 2:08 PM  

Seddique's guest appearance at the Hillary Clinton presidential rallies always were interesting. No doubt some of that "Turkish" and "Afghan" cash found its way into the CGI and the pockets of Andy McCabe, Robert Mueller and James Comey.

Blogger Wolfman at Large March 26, 2018 2:11 PM  

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Blogger seeingsights March 26, 2018 2:12 PM  

Back in the early 90s I told people that unelected figures wield political, social and economic power. The Deep State in other words, though I did not use that term.
Back then, some thought I was a conspiracy nut.
Now the term Deep State is regularly used in political discussion, even by politicians.

Blogger Nate March 26, 2018 2:12 PM  

This is why the CIA is more trouble than it is worth

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OpenID bgkoranburner March 26, 2018 2:18 PM  

Shaved Head Wetback Dyke Emma Gonzalez admits to bullying Nikolas Cruz https://youtu.be/kHge-tgZClM

That's as good a catch as the wetback dyke in the PULSE shooting documentary showing more respect to the afghani moslem shooter of 102 gays than the hospital that saved most of their lives even after cops waited 3 hours.

WRT the Mateens, one wonders if this was not part of the motivation.

The problem was taxpayers threw enough money at him to teach him to read & he read the koran. Islam in the wild is a religion of illiterates lead by 90IQ imams who ignore whatever they want.

The koran says the only way a gay moslem can get to paradise is by killing infidels, & those infidels you kill will be your slaves in the afterlife. So thankfully he preferred brown men, as several survivors claimed to have slept with him.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 26, 2018 2:20 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:Just like our Boston bombers. Weird how all our domestic terrorists have connections to our alphabet soup agencies.
Is it though? I mean, after things like Waco, TX; Ruby Ridge, ID; Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, OR (LaVoy Finicum); and the Bunkerville, NV(Bundy Ranch) -- each of which have very "interesting" politics surrounding them -- it would seem more sensible to think that there is far more social-engineering going on [by said agencies] than one would expect.

(1) Waco -- Afterwards, state militia massively dropped; many to essentially nonexistant levels.
(2) Ruby Ridge -- Afterwards, federal agencies and individual agents have the precedent of protection for bald-faced murder; tampering with procedure (ie withholding court summons) is also validated/retro-justified.
(3) Malheur Refuge -- Obviously a smack-down of any who question legitimacy of government authority; bald-faced murder like Ruby Ridge; also, interesting connections to Uranium and [possibly] Hillary.
(4) Bunkerville -- Interesting connections to Harry Reid and [IIRC] China; also seemed to be a push for the FedGov to smash patriots by sacrificing a few BLM/ATF agents, likely sparking an anti-gun campaign like we're seeing currently.

Blogger Ken Prescott March 26, 2018 2:31 PM  

(1) Waco -- Afterwards, state militia massively dropped; many to essentially nonexistant levels.

Um, I think you have the chronology backwards: Waco pretty much created the militia movement, OKC caused it to disappear from overt politics.

Blogger Crew March 26, 2018 2:38 PM  

Isn't it interesting that so many of these failures by the FBI turn into events that play into the gun grabbers' hands?

Blogger Patrick Kelly March 26, 2018 2:42 PM  

Right after OKC I remember the first time I had to sign an "I'm not a terrorist" paper to participate in the state HP/SR rifle championship matches. Haven't had to sign one again since.

re: " ... unelected figures wield political, social and economic power."

Rich powerful people conspire together to become more rich and powerful. News at 11.
Same as it ever was.

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 26, 2018 2:54 PM  

Nate wrote:This is why the CIA is more trouble than it is worth

Cui bono, Nate?

Worth it to whom? Obviously, those with the power to dismantle it find its existence acceptable.

But generally I'd agree it's a strategic error to fund and empower a group of people whose entire purpose is to deceive the public, gerrymander the entire globe's politics, and steal and murder along the way.

The Congress was given the "power of the purse" to reign in the excesses of the executive, but the Congress foolishly funded an executive agency that has long since slipped that noose and become self-funding. Now there's nothing they can do to stop the spooks, but the spooks can destroy almost any of them at will. It might be different if any significant numbers in Congress were men of honour and principle but nobody rises to the top of that dungpile via that route. The spooks have dirt on enough of them to feel secure.

They're going for Trump with a powerful will. I'm impressed he's lasted this long.

Blogger Cataline Sergius March 26, 2018 3:11 PM  

I'm not exaggerating when I say that I assumed pretty much all of things about Mateen's father when I first read his thumbnail bio.

I'll also go one better than the chans and hazzard a guess that his handlers assumed 90 percent of what he fed them was garbage but they passed it along anyway because hey, it's production.

Blogger Ron Winkleheimer March 26, 2018 3:11 PM  

The spooks have dirt on enough of them to feel secure.

They don't even try to hide it. Congress critters go on national TV and state, for the record, that if the duly elected president of the US knows what's good for him, he better not upset the people who run the intelligence services. I don't recall, where in the constitution is the, "elected officials need to fear the spook agencies" clause?

Blogger Bucephalus March 26, 2018 3:17 PM  

"Emma Gonzalez admits to bullying Nikolas Cruz"


The Lefts prophecy of the Great Brown Lesbian leading the revolution against whitey has been fulfilled. Definitely the most sacred cow of all.

Blogger Jay Karknee March 26, 2018 3:20 PM  

I think it was Joe Sobran who used to say "conspiracy isn't a theory, it's a crime". Our government is filled with scoundrels, degenerates and mountebanks. Why is it in the least bit surprising that they pull stunts like this. The news would be if they actually behaved ethically. Now that would be a story.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 26, 2018 3:20 PM  

Ken Prescott wrote:(1) Waco -- Afterwards, state militia massively dropped; many to essentially nonexistant levels.

Um, I think you have the chronology backwards: Waco pretty much created the militia movement, OKC caused it to disappear from overt politics.

I might; I wrote that from memory and was a kid during Waco. (I remember the televised breach/assault and, some time after, the investigation and how the "they were pedophiles, so we didn't need to follow the law" sort of excuses for the federal agents/agencies.)

Ron Winkleheimer wrote: The spooks have dirt on enough of them to feel secure.

They don't even try to hide it. Congress critters go on national TV and state, for the record, that if the duly elected president of the US knows what's good for him, he better not upset the people who run the intelligence services. I don't recall, where in the constitution is the, "elected officials need to fear the spook agencies" clause?

The really interesting thing to do would be for the President to look at the Constitution, sign an executive order dissolving the agencies (because they aren't authorized), and ordering not only prosecution of the agents but declassification of ALL documents classified by those agencies.

It'll hurt the agencies FAR, far more than any National Security threat, and arguably the agencies themselves, operating outside the confines of the Constitution, are a greater threat to the American people than any external/foreign threat.

Blogger Lazarus March 26, 2018 3:21 PM  

Every device has a back door, and all of social media is mined. NSA has everything, and shooters are always known to the police.

Conclusion: The ones that get thru are the ones the PTB wants to get thru.

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 26, 2018 3:25 PM  

Diversity is our strength:

La guerre est la paix:

http://www.fox5ny.com/news/murder-in-paris-probed-as-anti-semitic

Blogger Resident Moron™ March 26, 2018 3:33 PM  

"... and arguably the agencies themselves, operating outside the confines of the Constitution, are a greater threat to the American people than any external/foreign threat."

I am close to having no doubt at all that this is true.

There's no military - including your own - that is equipped to invade and occupy the US, the most heavily armed civilian populace in human history.

Hence the psyops and false flags directed against you constantly.

Projection is everywhere: I read in the press today that the US is accusing Russia of "arming the Taleban". The press, of course, having conveniently forgotten that the US created the Taleban for the express purpose of terrorising the soviet army.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 26, 2018 3:47 PM  

There's also this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgy9zZdAR_P/

High as a kite!!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 26, 2018 3:48 PM  

RM,

But the Taliban were good guys! Rambo played horse games with them in Rambo 3!

Blogger Some Guy March 26, 2018 4:11 PM  

@1

"And another example of why I don't automatically dismiss conspiracies anymore..."

I watched the video that vox posted about 'diversity' and looked at some of the rest of the videos that guy has done. He talked about all the Jews that run things in the US. I'm at the place now where I'm like, that kinda makes sense. I don't know if that's good or bad.

Blogger Avalanche March 26, 2018 4:13 PM  

@13 "I can't believe people aren't more upset about this."

It's denial. "WHAT is the point of getting upset or angry or ... even paying attention -- there is NOTHING I ("Joe Citizen") can DO to make any difference at all... I'm just gonna keep my head down and do my job, try to take care of my family, and hope I make it to an old age before the big problem rolls over me!"

Where do MPAI look to find a way to DO anything? The media just keep piling up the black pills; the media also provides soporifics to lull the people back into worrying about Kardashians asses and who will win The Bachelor...

I've always aid it take a LOT of strength to realize, think about, and accept what it TRUE about our country, the world -- and all the conspiracy actions against us! MOST sheep aren't strong.

Blogger Avalanche March 26, 2018 4:17 PM  

@21 Waco...

Interesting, just an hour ago I was listening to a podcast; the guy said that the two agents who were "first in" on the second floor -- and got shot and killed -- had BEEN BUBBABILL'S bodyguards in Mena Ark, before being shifted to ATF!! Funny -- how THEY just happened to be the tip of the spear at a c.f.!!

Blogger SouthRon March 26, 2018 4:36 PM  

Avalanche, if it's what I'm thinking of, there is video of the building taking fire from the air just after they entered.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 26, 2018 4:41 PM  

@40 I never saw video that clearly showed fire coming from the helicopters, but there was audio of Koresh talking to an ATF negotiator later and the ATF negotiator claiming there were no guns on the helicopter, getting called out on his lie by Koresh, and then changing the subject.

Blogger freddie_mac March 26, 2018 4:42 PM  

@28 Bucephalus
The Lefts prophecy of the Great Brown Lesbian ... Definitely the most sacred cow of all.

Shouldn't that be "Great Brown Lesbian Cow" or would "Whale" work better? Or, maybe either term is needlessly redundant.


@38 Avalanche
the two agents who were "first in" on the second floor -- and got shot and killed -- had BEEN BUBBABILL'S bodyguards in Mena Ark, before being shifted to ATF!!

So, was the Pulse Nightclub shooting an FBI op that went right, or went wrong?

Blogger Anchorman March 26, 2018 4:42 PM  

Surely, the reason the Las Vegas shooting dropped from the headlines isn't because the Alphabet Crew were involved in one way or another with that guy's money laundering operation.

Blogger Edwin March 26, 2018 4:43 PM  

Every time someone comes up with a 'conspiracy theory' and you start to see mockery and hit pieces right on cue from the usual suspects, you know they're on to something, even if they are only mildly warm.

Blogger Lovekraft March 26, 2018 4:46 PM  

Jordan Peterson on the MQ (Muslim Question). Baby steps and selective wording, but still good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHFL8O8cGI0

Blogger Lovekraft March 26, 2018 4:48 PM  

@40: speaking of Koresh, there's a new documentary series on the Hindi guru taking over a small Oregon town in the 80s.

It's called "Wild Wild Country." Basically a bunch of pathetic lost baby boomers giving away their heritage and fortunes to follow some utopian fantasy.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 26, 2018 4:48 PM  

Avalanche wrote:@21 Waco...

Interesting, just an hour ago I was listening to a podcast; the guy said that the two agents who were "first in" on the second floor -- and got shot and killed -- had BEEN BUBBABILL'S bodyguards in Mena Ark, before being shifted to ATF!! Funny -- how THEY just happened to be the tip of the spear at a c.f.!!

Dead men tell no tales. // I'm reminede of a little incident with King David and one of his generals.

Resident Moron™ wrote:"... and arguably the agencies themselves, operating outside the confines of the Constitution, are a greater threat to the American people than any external/foreign threat."

I am close to having no doubt at all that this is true.

There's no military - including your own - that is equipped to invade and occupy the US, the most heavily armed civilian populace in human history.

Hence the psyops and false flags directed against you constantly.

Projection is everywhere: I read in the press today that the US is accusing Russia of "arming the Taleban". The press, of course, having conveniently forgotten that the US created the Taleban for the express purpose of terrorising the soviet army.

There are several things that really seem to be massively used in justifying things:
(a) "You're wrong, so I'm not wrong."-style arguments, usually where your error is little, like mispronouncing something or a minor technicality like misremembering the exact date/reference/etc compared to their massive violation. A sort of "HOW DARE YOU JAYWALK TO PREVENT US FROM RAPING SOMEONE!"-style reaction.
(b) "But we NEED it!!"-justification. For example, if you're a Constitutionalist, recommend removing all federal agencies not commissioned by the Constitution (this leaves Post Office, Army, Navy, DOT [reduced], Secret Service [only WRT counterfeiting-investigation/-prosecution], IRS, Copyright and Patent Offices) and most people will have some mild panic/kneejerk "What about NASA/air-Force/USDA/DOE?"-reaction.
(c) "But THIS is how things are done!" (An appeal to tradition; often used when you bring up a policy that came into being from the Judiciary, like discussing the "commerce clause".)
(d) "You have to work within the system to change it." Essentially appealing to authority, often used when the said authority has usurped powers and so it becomes the equivalent of "Why don't you ask nicely for them to give up their [stolen] power?"
(e) The Bureaucratic run-around: wherein you will NEVER be allowed to talk with anyone in a position of authority; especially if there is any chance you might be able to persuade them.

Blogger Stilicho March 26, 2018 4:50 PM  

One more thing that needs to be stated outright: when CIA or FBI has a humint source like Sadeeq Mateen, they not only monitor him closely, they also monitor immediate family and close associates closely as well. It is a matter of how much they knew about Omar and his proclivities and plans, he was absolutely not an unknown player to them.

Blogger YIH March 26, 2018 4:54 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:There's also this:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bgy9zZdAR_P/

High as a kite!!

A coked-up pr0n slut? I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 26, 2018 4:59 PM  

In those really special cases you get a perfect convergence of conspiracy, laziness, and incompetence. Take Sandy Hook: there was the notorious video of the crisis actor dad getting into character, and there was also the less familiar aerial video of people walking in circles in and out of a makeshift command center, pretending to be busy but doing absolutely nothing. Both of which have been repeatedly banned from Youtube.

Blogger Jack Morrow March 26, 2018 5:25 PM  

I assume I'm not the only one who noticed that at the bottom of the image it refers to an email dated December 24, 2018; I hope that's a typo.

Blogger John Best March 26, 2018 5:30 PM  

Mike Cernovich is all over this and rightfully so. This is a massive deal that the FBI and deep state is covering up mass shootings and their involvement in them, then trying to pin them on other innocent people.

Blogger Allen Skeens March 26, 2018 5:34 PM  

Ah, the bagwhan shree rashneesh.
They grounded his private jet here in charlotte 30 years ago.
One of the agents who made the arrest told me the story once.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) March 26, 2018 5:45 PM  


I assume I'm not the only one who noticed that at the bottom of the image it refers to an email dated December 24, 2018; I hope that's a typo.


Why are you assuming that /pol/ DOESN'T have a time machine?

Blogger OneWingedShark March 26, 2018 5:46 PM  

John Best wrote:Mike Cernovich is all over this and rightfully so. This is a massive deal that the FBI and deep state is covering up mass shootings and their involvement in them, then trying to pin them on other innocent people.
And what would the fallout of that sort of revelation be?
Would there be enough to cover for a President unilaterally declassifying ALL that agency's documents and dissolve it, w/ prosecutions? Or even something even smaller?

In order to really change things we have to strip off the security clearances, because at that point it's either that or give the agency a wink-and-nod allowing them to continue operating... with maybe one or two agents getting a slap on the wrist.

If the latter (continued operation), I anticipate there's going to be huge backlash. The sort that could spark a civil war or, barring that, something akin to if the whole Bundy Ranch thing went hot... but with FAR, FAR less general support of the government.

Blogger Lovekraft March 26, 2018 6:17 PM  

@52 alan: just finished ep 3 where the cult shipped in thousands of homeless men to rig the vote to take over a county. Got them cleaned up only to have the county electoral commish to declare this effort suspicious and voided their votes.

Subsequent at the compound? The wind goes out of their sail and the homeless start wigging out. So what does the rajheeshis do? Drug their beer with haldol.

Seems like there's a parallel in their with Obama's general open borders attempt to rig the democratic system with freebie-dependent voters.

Blogger Ray Mota March 26, 2018 6:28 PM  

Disingeneous, distracted, confused, and misdirected. I'll have a triple at the bar.

Blogger North March 26, 2018 6:33 PM  

The best name I’ve heard yet for what’s her name, Emma Gonzalez is

Sinead O’Taco

Blogger Ray Mota March 26, 2018 6:34 PM  

CIA is rube alphabet for "Cover Its Ass" or should I just go chug a jug a shine???

Blogger Ray Mota March 26, 2018 6:41 PM  

I don't recall, where in the constitution is the, "elected officials need to fear the spook agencies" clause?

1 and 2 BOR. Read them with wrinkle picker specs.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 26, 2018 6:46 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:If the latter (continued operation), I anticipate there's going to be huge backlash. The sort that could spark a civil war or, barring that, something akin to if the whole Bundy Ranch thing went hot... but with FAR, FAR less general support of the government.

Google the term "No more free Wacos"

If you haven't read it get a copy of Unintended Consequences by John Ross.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger March 26, 2018 6:59 PM  

Yes, it's damned interesting that the father of a mass shooter was an FBI asset. It certainly calls for an investigation. If the father was working for the FBI, then did they approach the son? I assume that this is the "conspiracy theory" that is being referred to...though I have no way of knowing because no chain of reasoning has been laid out, only dark hints.

I have to believe that the universe is subject to a degree of rational analysis, or I have no intellectual toolkit. If I give credence to any conspiracy story that comes along, then I put myself into the position of believing multiple sets of mutually contradictory stories. I also have to believe stories that attribute a degree of competence and efficiency to the conspirators that human organizations and individuals do not possess. To put it bluntly, people ain't that smart. Nor are people that good at keeping secrets. Do I believe that a secret government agency installed tons of explosives into three New York buildings, then crashed two passenger planes into them? No, I do not believe that. It is not a workable set of assumptions. I am not going to discuss this any further, except to say that the only mystery for me is: who was Mohammed Atta working for?

Does that mean there are no conspiracies? Of course not. The assassination of Archduke Ferdinand of Austria was the outcome of a conspiracy orchestrated by the head of Serbian Military Intelligence, Dragutin Dimitrijević (quite the piece of work, our Dragutin...killed a queen and cut off one of her breasts to make a tobacco pouch, the story goes). The conspiracy was not subtle, and would easily have yielded to an impartial, thorough investigation. But no one was interested in the truth; they just wanted to believe their favorite story. Many millions died as a result.

Am I saying that the universe is essentially rational? That people are always rational actors? Of course not. Sometimes you can never know what really happened. But sitting in your computer chair and staring at what people think happened does not help. The hardest thing in the world is to admit that you do not understand something. Everyone wants to think that he knows. I prefer an admission of ignorance to believing falsehoods.

And yes, I want this FBI connection investigated. I don't see how they can avoid such an investigation. This has been openly reported by the MSM. Note that this connection came out as a result of a trial. It came out late, but it came out.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 26, 2018 6:59 PM  

UtahConservative wrote:It is a pathetic attempt to misdirect away from Trump’s disgraceful adulterous affair with an adult film actress.
Low energy, SAD!. No bonus for you today. If you can't up your game, Evan, you're going to have to go back to the NPR telemarketing queue.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger March 26, 2018 7:24 PM  

OneWingedShark wrote:(1) Waco -- Afterwards, state militia massively dropped; many to essentially nonexistant levels.

(2) Ruby Ridge -- Afterwards, federal agencies and individual agents have the precedent of protection for bald-faced murder; tampering with procedure (ie withholding court summons) is also validated/retro-justified.


As Ken Prescott pointed out, the militia movement went and hid under a rug after the Oklahoma City bombing, not Waco. Waco was and is a massive crime committed by Federal agencies that has gone unpunished, and will probably remain unpunished. Based on cui bono, I have always suspected that Tim McVeigh was working (or thought he was working) for some Federal TLA. There's no proof of course, and the government executed the only man who could have sure knowledge of this. I can only say that the OK City bombing shifted public sympathy radically away from the anti-government militia movement. I don't claim to have any secret or sure knowledge.

But you are really blowing smoke with regard to Ruby Ridge. Yes, the Feds committed murder. But they did not succeed in covering up the fact that they were in the wrong. Randy Weaver was acquitted of all charges except for one ("failure to appear") on the basis of self defense. That means the court found Weaver to be acting legitimately when he resisted the Federal agents with armed force. Think about the implications of that. The only fly in the ointment is that the FBI assassin, Lon Horiuchi (do not forget that name) was not put on trial for murder. He lives in hiding now.

The Weaver trial shows that the Government does not own the courts, they do not get away with everything. People can stand up to the SOBs. (There were also millions paid in reparations to Weaver's kids, but that doesn't bring back their mother, of course.)

Blogger Not a lefty March 26, 2018 7:26 PM  

You spelled incontinence wrong.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 26, 2018 7:29 PM  

That movie is the one with the exploding arrows. That has to be the most impractical weapon ever.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 26, 2018 7:31 PM  

UtahConservative wrote:high school shooting victims

You mean the picture of the little bald, Cuban lesbian? How is she a "victim"? She was in another building at the time the shooting happened. The only danger she was in was if a cop had shot her thinking she was a Nazi skinhead.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 26, 2018 7:36 PM  

Whenever a cuck goes on about "natural conservative's" and "Old World Catholic Family Values," someone should show him her grotesque visage.

Blogger Chris Mallory March 26, 2018 7:38 PM  

Sidehill Dodger wrote:Based on cui bono, I have always suspected that Tim McVeigh was working (or thought he was working) for some Federal TLA. There's no proof of course, and the government executed the only man who could have sure knowledge of this. I can only say that the OK City bombing shifted public sympathy radically away from the anti-government militia movement.

There is some fairly good evidence that OKC was an ATF sting gone wrong. Complete with Andy the German , Carol "naked under that Nazi Flag" Howe and the whole happy gang of Nazis and snitches at Elohim City.

Solider of Fortune ran quite a few stories on this theory.

OpenID Mike Jackson March 26, 2018 8:16 PM  

The true redpill is that /x/ is always right.

Blogger OneWingedShark March 26, 2018 11:51 PM  

Sidehill Dodger wrote:OneWingedShark wrote:(1) Waco -- Afterwards, state militia massively dropped; many to essentially nonexistant levels.

(2) Ruby Ridge -- Afterwards, federal agencies and individual agents have the precedent of protection for bald-faced murder; tampering with procedure (ie withholding court summons) is also validated/retro-justified.


As Ken Prescott pointed out, the militia movement went and hid under a rug after the Oklahoma City bombing, not Waco. Waco was and is a massive crime committed by Federal agencies that has gone unpunished, and will probably remain unpunished. Based on cui bono, I have always suspected that Tim McVeigh was working (or thought he was working) for some Federal TLA. There's no proof of course, and the government executed the only man who could have sure knowledge of this. I can only say that the OK City bombing shifted public sympathy radically away from the anti-government militia movement. I don't claim to have any secret or sure knowledge.

But you are really blowing smoke with regard to Ruby Ridge. Yes, the Feds committed murder. But they did not succeed in covering up the fact that they were in the wrong. Randy Weaver was acquitted of all charges except for one ("failure to appear") on the basis of self defense. That means the court found Weaver to be acting legitimately when he resisted the Federal agents with armed force. Think about the implications of that. The only fly in the ointment is that the FBI assassin, Lon Horiuchi (do not forget that name) was not put on trial for murder. He lives in hiding now.

The Weaver trial shows that the Government does not own the courts, they do not get away with everything. People can stand up to the SOBs. (There were also millions paid in reparations to Weaver's kids, but that doesn't bring back their mother, of course.)

Perhaps you are right; but I still stand by my assertion that the lack of repercussions against the government agents and agencies was and is a travesty of justice.

That Randy Weaver wasn't railroaded was probably due far more to the jury than the courts not being owned. As it is today, there's been decades of eroding the power of the jury (just read the little flyer-thing you have to sign when reporting for jury duty).

Blogger Dirk Manly March 27, 2018 12:40 AM  

@45

"@40: speaking of Koresh, there's a new documentary series on the Hindi guru taking over a small Oregon town in the 80s.

It's called "Wild Wild Country." Basically a bunch of pathetic lost baby boomers giving away their heritage and fortunes to follow some utopian fantasy."

Yes, the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh made rather frequent appearances in Berke Breathed's "Bloom County" comic strip once word of that got out.

Blogger tublecane March 27, 2018 12:59 AM  

OT: Speaking of conspiracies and such, I've paying attention to dark underbellies in connection to the new Sex Trafficking laws, and it appears prostitution advertising websites (hosted outside the U.S., no less) are running scared. Whores are mad about it, natch.

Does this mean anything? I know Backpage shut down its "escort" ads a while back, and people just shift slightly over to the left, so to speak. Social media prostitution advertising no doubt goes strong.

Anyway, I hope pedos are on the run, and I care not one iota if "consenting adults" find it somewhat less convenient transact business.

Blogger tublecane March 27, 2018 1:02 AM  

@60-Waco wasn't free, technically. They got 4 ATF agents.

Blogger LP999-16 March 27, 2018 3:27 AM  

This is the biggest story not tabloid Porny Stormy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFoKa-nUmQs

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 27, 2018 4:17 AM  

@tublecane

Some of those agents were Arkancided.

Seen the footage of one draped over the door of a car while the operative that killed him was grinning while making a throat slashing signal?

Blogger Looking Glass March 27, 2018 5:34 AM  

@74 tublecane

The changes to Section 230 need some investigation. "For the Children..." clearly isn't the reason.

Blogger Lovekraft March 27, 2018 4:01 PM  

@72: Tublecane

Joaquim Phoenix in a new film about sex trafficking "You Were Never Really Here". Trailer looks intense. I just hope it aspires to Taken levels of veil-lifting (villains not being the yawn standard yawn fare).

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5742374/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_6

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