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Friday, March 23, 2018

The end of the Republican Party

What, exactly, is the point of it anyhow?
President Donald Trump said he signed the $1.3 trillion omnibus spending bill into law Friday, despite a veto threat and provisions he says he is "unhappy" about.

The president approved the legislation to fund the government through September for national security reasons, as it authorizes a major increase in military spending that the president supports. Trump criticized the rushed process to pass the more than 2,200-page bill released only Wednesday, saying he would "never sign another bill like this again."

"As a matter of national security, I've signed this omnibus bill," Trump said at the White House on Friday.
I'm not going to even pretend to try to understand this one. No one cares about politicians or presidents professing to be "unhappy" or vowing that they won't do what they literally just did again again. Hearing a president say he'll never sign another spending bill is like hearing a crack addict vow that he'll never smoke another rock or a serial adulterer promising future faithfulness.

Now, I don't blame Trump for the spending bill. He didn't push it. This is on the House Republicans and Paul Ryan, not him. But I will blame him for not forcing Congress to override his veto. Apparently not even President Trump understands that no one buys the "a matter of national security" bullshit anymore.

I've never been more proud to not be a Republican.

UPDATE: Look, it's a mistake. It's not a betrayal. The winning was NEVER going to be unanimous or uninterrupted. Don't be like the conservatives and leap to embrace defeat as inevitable simply because ONE battle was unnecessarily lost. Or in this case, unnecessarily lost sooner than it would have been; Trump may have known that the Democrat-Republicans had the necessary votes to override his veto and decided not to waste his time fighting an unwinnable battle.

I think he should have for the sake of morale, but it's not my call. Regardless, this is not the primary front. That's my take on it. Be frustrated, be angry, but do not despair and do not give up.

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Blogger pyrrhus March 23, 2018 1:51 PM  

It's extremely annoying...but Trump is all we have at this point.

Blogger AnvilTiger March 23, 2018 1:53 PM  

Pelosi stated: "Democrats won explicit language restricting border construction to the same see-through fencing that was already authorized under current law. The bill does not allow any increase in deportation officers or detention beds."

Schumer said: "In a certain sense we were able to accomplish more in the minority than we had the presidency or were even in the majority."

Blogger allyn71 March 23, 2018 1:56 PM  

@1 pyrrhus that is bullshit. That kind of thinking is why we are getting steamrolled.

No really next time we are totally going to stand up. This is all bullshit. The dream some had that we were going to vote our way out of this ended today.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) March 23, 2018 1:58 PM  

I don't understand the point of threatening a veto only to sign the same bill several hours later.

Blogger S1AL March 23, 2018 1:59 PM  

This is a 6-month bill. It all depends on if Trump follows through on vetoing the next one (because there will be a next one).

Blogger Henry Lee March 23, 2018 2:01 PM  

So much for the three dimensional chess theory.

Blogger Justin Bailey March 23, 2018 2:02 PM  

It's GOP sabotage of the Trump agenda. I think it's become obvious that the strategy for the Republican Party is to lose on purpose. The only alternative to Trump is war, and maybe that's the more preferable option since DC has proven to be irrevocably broken.

@1 > It's extremely annoying...but Trump is all we have at this point.

Yeah people saying they are jumping off the Trump Train, there's nowhere left to jump to.

Blogger Paradox March 23, 2018 2:02 PM  

Knew something was wrong when Trump picked Bolton for the NSA. This garbage bill had Fix NICS in it. Necons have won.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 23, 2018 2:02 PM  

I'm going to refer to the GOP as the minority party from now on.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 23, 2018 2:03 PM  

The only reason I can see for Trump signing this is receiving some major concession(s) in return. We'll see.

Blogger Strings6459 March 23, 2018 2:03 PM  

The thing that stuck in my mind listening to Trump speak is we must be going to fight somebody and we need the military. I can't see another reason for signing the bill.

Blogger tublecane March 23, 2018 2:04 PM  

Ryan and McConnell I can easily believe are the Washington Generals, losing on purpose because at least they get to control the Republican Racket. But Trump is not that. He's something else, and is free to pressure the losers to at least get the Wall, if nothing else.

Maybe he's busy elsewhere and simply doesn't care enough.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 23, 2018 2:05 PM  

Also, keep in mind Vox's previous post. The Deep State grows out of the CFR and the TC. Look up every player in Congress and fedgov. All Myers of either of both organizations. The GOP are all members, and they are doing their job.

Blogger kurt9 March 23, 2018 2:05 PM  

The GOP degenerated into big money corruption decades ago. This became obvious to me during Bush II's first administration when spending went through the roof, with most of it being social spending (not defense) even with congress being majority GOP. It appears that nothing has changed.

I think Reagan tried to reform the GOP. But it went back to its old ways during the first Bush administration and has worsened ever since.

Blogger S1AL March 23, 2018 2:05 PM  

"I don't understand the point of threatening a veto only to sign the same bill several hours later."

I see three things:

One, it reminds the public that Trump can, and possibly well, veto major bills.

Two, it puts the Republicans on notice. The next time this happens, Trump says "I warned you" and vetoes. In the public perception this makes him look both fair and firm. That's a PR win.

Three, it aligns Trump with public sentiment. Why else use the term "unhappy"? Has he ever said that before in criticizing politicians? This is a "man of the people" play.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora March 23, 2018 2:06 PM  

I'm surprised how many people saw Trump as anything more than a way of delaying and possibly softening the inevitable. I'm glad he can maybe slow it down some and give people a bit more time to prepare. I have trouble understanding how many Trump supporters actually expected half as much as they did. He was always a pro-American moderate. His patriotism is a consequence of his resistance to social pressure to be politically correct, it was never ideological.

Blogger allyn71 March 23, 2018 2:08 PM  

Schumer just made Trump his bitch.

Of course the GOP is undermining Trump. He undermined them and they haven't forgotten. Only thing he has going for him is the American people and he just pissed a once in an administration chance away and sided with the Deep State over them. Trump just proved he is a blowhard pussy by signing this. He is going to be increasingly irrelevant politically from this point on.

Blogger Desdichado March 23, 2018 2:08 PM  

There are only four concerns of national security of any real importance: 1) build the wall, 2) drain the swamp, 3) repatriate the enemy colonists and invaders, 4) wean our dependence on a usury economy.

This bill makes a mockery of all four.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 2:08 PM  

They call Trump Hitler... But this is how you get a Hitler. This right here.

Blogger allyn71 March 23, 2018 2:09 PM  

This bill is not what winning looks like.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) March 23, 2018 2:10 PM  


They call Trump Hitler... But this is how you get a Hitler. This right here.


Still not sure America is ready for a vegan president

Blogger allyn71 March 23, 2018 2:10 PM  

@19 @Nate +1

Blogger Crew March 23, 2018 2:12 PM  

Perhaps the God Emperor is trying to destroy both the Democrats and the Republicans and replace them with his own party!

Blogger Anno Ruse March 23, 2018 2:18 PM  

Get some perspective. It's a major mistake. It's not "Trump is now a neocon".

If you want a man who can completely crush his enemies, you know how to get one.

Blogger Freeholder March 23, 2018 2:20 PM  

Sigh, time to hunker down. Trump was the easy way. Now the hard way will come about 5-10 years from now.

Blogger Crew March 23, 2018 2:21 PM  

We will find out what President Trump thinks during his next rally, and probably during his next bout of Twatter postings.

Sometimes you have to let bad shit happen to get people ready for the solution!

Blogger August March 23, 2018 2:24 PM  

One of the drawbacks of this 'fail faster' form of management is the assumption that there is a next time. It actually makes a lot of sense in business, especially if you are boss; and it will probably work better than some of the crap management styles we've seen with past presidents, but I'd like Trump to start thinking seriously about not ending up like Pinochet at the end of his life.

Blogger RobertT March 23, 2018 2:24 PM  

He just folded with straight flush in his hand. He pushed them into a corner and let them out. Inexplicable.

Blogger Jon D. March 23, 2018 2:29 PM  

Yeah this was extremely disappointing. With this, plus Bolton in Nat Sec., plus the CIA chief moving to sec state -- I mean it feels like Deep State has just crushed him a little.

Blogger Joeplanet March 23, 2018 2:29 PM  

This isn’t winning and yes I am tired of it

Blogger Patrick Kelly March 23, 2018 2:34 PM  

My hope is Trump decided this battle wasn't worth fighting at this time and is preparing for a bigger one.

OpenID scribe324 March 23, 2018 2:35 PM  

He flat up folded. THAT I did not expect. I suppose something is up behind the scenes, but to call a press conference and sign this monstrosity with a "I won't do it again!' lament comes across as seriously weak.

This was his first serious political miscalculation. I cannot fathom WHY he did it?

Blogger Jemison Thorsby March 23, 2018 2:36 PM  

@19 - spot on. Those who despise Trump fail to realize they're going to like who comes after him even less, should he not succeed in turning around the important issues.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 2:38 PM  

Also... he completely neutered the steel tariff today.

Blogger Long Live The West March 23, 2018 2:43 PM  

Wait so Trump isn't the second coming of Jesus? Well crap, there goes my life... Worlds over.

This is why the primaries are going to be so important. Slap your friends who says there's no point in voting, steer them in the direction of the voting machine, and then vote in some of those 'far right loonies'.

Fight
Or
Die

Blogger MadMax 1861 March 23, 2018 2:45 PM  

I believe there will be one more budget showdown in the autumn right before the election. That will be Trump's last chance.

OpenID Rusty March 23, 2018 2:46 PM  

Think I'll pick up a couple more gold eagles on the way home from work today.

Blogger Lance E March 23, 2018 2:47 PM  

I didn't care about the profligate spending - that was going to happen anyway. But he allowed them to include massive funding for Planned Parenthood, Schumer's pet pork project, and not only no wall funding but specific provisions against wall funding.

And anti-2A provisions without CC reciprocity. We were told to wait and see when he started up with vague anti-gun rhetoric after Hogg-gate - well, we waited, and we saw.

I know I'll probably make some folks here mad by saying it, but I'm coming around to the same point of view as Zman and Coulter: he never intended to build the wall. He's just going to dangle it as a prop for future elections and make endless excuses for not doing it, much like Congressional Republicans have done with the Obamacare "repeal". But I think it won't work on the voters this time. Judging by the sentiment on Breitbart, TDC etc., normies have run out of patience.

Blogger RobertT March 23, 2018 2:47 PM  

1-He doesn't care about debt. Means nothing to him. Like the a real estate developer he is, he sees debt as an essential ingredient to success. Also like a chess piece he can move around at will.
2-He's playing a long game.
3-Tariffs are first step toward funding the government some way besides us.
4-I hope he's going somewhere I'll be satisfied. I'm not certain I will be. But I am enjoying the show.

Blogger Patrick Kelly March 23, 2018 2:49 PM  

"then vote in some of those 'far right loonies'."

Need to do this in the primaries and get the furthest right Repubs you can into the election, otherwise your choice will still be a repub swamp creature or some gay pink haired vegan commie.

Blogger grendel March 23, 2018 2:49 PM  

Maybe this is about pointing to September to make it an election issue that's fresh in everyone's mind.

Blogger LES March 23, 2018 2:50 PM  

The needs of the empire come first. The spending for the "Department of Offense" is not for protecting the United States. "Assad must go" is still priority number one.

Blogger Markku March 23, 2018 2:51 PM  

Trump train is over for me.

OpenID scribe324 March 23, 2018 2:52 PM  

I expect him--as it fully sinks in how demoralized his base is with this weakness he showed--to do something to try and regain momentum. I don't think he can go so far as to actually order troops to the southern border, but he is going to need a big splash or he is politically neutered until 2020. The Dems will most likely get the House in 2018 without SOMETHING to get his base back on his side.

Immigration is the one thing that will do it.

I still can't believe he let himself get played like this...

Blogger RobertT March 23, 2018 2:58 PM  

You can't save your way to wealth. Profligate spenders become wealthy far more often then savers. I have clients with $30 million in the bank who pay tax on $50G; and I have clients with much less in the bank who pay tax on a $million. I don't have any client with millions in the bank who are currently successful business people. There are two ways to build a business. 1-investment & 2-debt. Both have a cost. Both must return a decent rate of return. That may be Trump's mindset.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville March 23, 2018 2:59 PM  

Wow. What a bunch of folding chairs. I've seen enough of his actions to trust that he signed the bill with some good reasons we aren't yet aware of.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 3:00 PM  

"Trump train is over for me."

oh come on... don't despair.. I mean sure he signed a bill that funded planned parenthood and didn't fund the wall.

it could've been worse.

right?

...

rr...

...



Blogger Markku March 23, 2018 3:01 PM  

I tried. This is my limit.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 3:01 PM  

"Wow. What a bunch of folding chairs. I've seen enough of his actions to trust that he signed the bill with some good reasons we aren't yet aware of."

There was a good reason. The reason is... he is just an ordinary president running an ordinary adminstration doing ordinary things.

Blogger Daniel Bendele March 23, 2018 3:01 PM  

This feels like a big strategic blunder, but you never know what the God Emperor has up his sleeves. I've grown very tired of the "We have to do this for National Security" excuse. The only existential threats to the US are immigration and Cultural Marxism. I fail to see anything in this bill that helps on either of those fronts. I don't see an option for the base rather than to voice our displeasure at what appears like a complete capitulation, but still hope he's got a counter-punch planned.

Blogger VD March 23, 2018 3:01 PM  

As I posted in the update, if the D-Rs had the override votes, he may have decided it was better to take the loss and move on than draw out an inevitable defeat.

That's perfectly reasonable. It's not what I would do, but it's not my call and I don't know what his priorities are.

Blogger Ingot9455 March 23, 2018 3:03 PM  

If we get mass deportations to Gitmo and treason trials during the 6 months the government is safely funded on this bill, it will all have been worthwhile.

Blogger S1AL March 23, 2018 3:03 PM  

"Got $1.6 Billion to start Wall on Southern Border, rest will be forthcoming. Most importantly, got $700 Billion to rebuild our Military, $716 Billion next year...most ever. Had to waste money on Dem giveaways in order to take care of military pay increase and new equipment."

That last line is perfect.

People jumping off the Trump Train right now are just gonna feel silly in 6 months.

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/976654851684945920

Blogger Jeff aka Orville March 23, 2018 3:03 PM  

We'll see. I think it's too soon to throw in the towel.

Blogger MickDundee March 23, 2018 3:05 PM  

LOL ... Israel got a wall, we didn't.

Go (((Trump)))

*****************************
AIPAC
@AIPAC
Thanks to leaders in Congress for working to secure $3.1 billion in annual security assistance for Israel: @LindseyGrahamSC @SenatorLeahy @RepHalRogers @USRepRodney & @NitaLowey.

These funds will help keep Israel safe.

AIPAC
@AIPAC
This legislation also contains a total of $47.5 million for critical U.S.-Israel anti-tunnel cooperation.

Blogger tublecane March 23, 2018 3:05 PM  

A tweet by Larry Schweikart summed up some of my feelings:

"I thought this would pass or override a veto. We were gonna get this...But Trump's press conference was not winning...It reminded me of a coach who lost 35-0 praising the punter."

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 3:07 PM  

"As I posted in the update, if the D-Rs had the override votes, he may have decided it was better to take the loss and move on than draw out an inevitable defeat."

I don't think there was anyway they could get the over-ride on this abomination. I think this is kind of a dubya moment for him... his eyes are focused elsewhere and he doesn't have the bandwidth for everything that's going on so he's gonna sign it and handle the fallout later because there are bigger fish he's dealing with right now.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville March 23, 2018 3:08 PM  

How many of you get everything you want, your way, and on your time? None of you. This is true in life, business and politics. Something else is going on behind the scenes, which is why he held his nose and signed under protest.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 3:08 PM  

Jordan gets border security money... but we dont.

Blogger Todd Pitner March 23, 2018 3:09 PM  

Maybe...just maybe...consider Trump is not the 4-D chess player God-Emperor, but just another puppet?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 23, 2018 3:12 PM  

My assumptions are:
1) he has big swamp-drainage plans for the next 6 months and a continuing budget fight would be a distraction. Anyone remember the big press conference next month?
2) this is a 6 month budget, and he wasn't going to actually start construction on the Wall within that time, or until nearly the end. IOW, it doesn't actually impact the schedule.
3) he wants the budget front and center for the mid-terms.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 3:13 PM  

Flake, McCain and murdering Roy Moore's reputation. That's why they knifed Moore the way they did. This is *all* on Flake playing UniParty friend.

This is also, more than likely, an opening salvo in the coming NAFTA exit. That's why Trump punted on this. He got enough of what he needed, but he clearly isn't pleased with the result. However, he's got to deal with Senate that is very hostile to him. That'll change next year, so the long-game analysis is pretty straight forward.

Plus, IG report is soon, then criminal charges against a bunch of Obama Admin personnel comes soon after. We're reminded of the nature of the UniParty, but that isn't changing today & Trump doesn't take fights where he has no leverage.

Blogger Lovekraft March 23, 2018 3:14 PM  

Who said anything about giving up? Trump is our guy and we stick with him. Especially considering his enemies. So what if he has to make some necessary alliances and accommodation.

Blogger Salt March 23, 2018 3:15 PM  

"I think he should have for the sake of morale, but it's not my call."

Correct. It was his.

Blogger allyn71 March 23, 2018 3:15 PM  

"As I posted in the update, if the D-Rs had the override votes, he may have decided it was better to take the loss and move on than draw out an inevitable defeat."

The only way he could lose on this was to sign it. I generally don't like Cernovich but he nailed this one....

Weak move.

Blogger Ataraxia March 23, 2018 3:15 PM  

"How many of you get everything you want, your way, and on your time? None of you. This is true in life, business and politics. Something else is going on behind the scenes, which is why he held his nose and signed under protest."

Did you forget what happened in the last election? When your party controls both houses of Congress you should be able to get everything you want when you want it. Did Obama ever have to "hold his nose" when signing bills passed by House Speaker Pelosi and Senate Leader Schumer?

Coulter is right, Trump will never sign a bill like this again because Democrats will retake Congress and send him packing before he gets the chance.

Blogger Jack Sweater March 23, 2018 3:18 PM  

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Blogger tublecane March 23, 2018 3:19 PM  

I place my hopes in Swamp Drainage, major Dems in cuffs, and maybe some major foreign policy wins to salvage the mid-terms, prevent impeachment, and give Trump the chance to truly win.

But I dunno. You'd think '16 would have been enough to prevent Chuck Schumer from controlling Washington.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 3:21 PM  

" major Dems in cuffs"

Never gonna happen.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 3:21 PM  

I'm seeing a lot of unfamiliar names. Looks like people are falling for the Narrative.

Trump punted from his own 40. It wasn't a great drive and no one will remember this next week. Though Bill Belichick would have fired all of his WRs before they got off the bus, but you can't replace Senators that quickly.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) March 23, 2018 3:22 PM  

Flake, McCain and murdering Roy Moore's reputation. That's why they knifed Moore the way they did. This is *all* on Flake playing UniParty friend.

Flake voted against the omnibus

Blogger Ingot9455 March 23, 2018 3:25 PM  

While I am still 100% with the God-Emperor, where the heck was Viceroy Pence? He usually rides herd on this a little more. Maybe he was busy with foreign policy.

Blogger Salt March 23, 2018 3:26 PM  

The spending bill is for 6 months. You can't tell me that in 6 months the military will be sufficiently upgraded as Trump wants. But this 6 months has given the Dems maneuvering room for the mid-terms; hey look, we can control Trump. As Vox eloquently said, ""unhappy" or vowing that they won't do what they literally just did again again." Trumpo said he'd not sign a bill lacking the wall, his version of no new taxes, read my lips.

It was a bad move by any reasonable standard.

Blogger Jeff aka Orville March 23, 2018 3:26 PM  

Well fuck. If y'all were around during WW2 for any of these notable Allied failures, y'all would curl up in a ball with an English-German dictionary. Note the Anzio debacle 60k Allied deaths.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-8-worst-mistakes-made-by-the-allies-during-world-w-1472602177

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 3:27 PM  

Trump is making the same deals every GOP leader has always made. They trade boondoggle domestic spending for military spending. its been going on since before Reagan.

he is just another GOP president. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 3:27 PM  

@71 Josh (the sexiest thing here)

Flake is on the Senate Appropriations committee. 1 vote there is enough to grind everything to a halt. Final vote tally is just for show, these days. Almost everything happens in committee.

Blogger Edgar Abbey March 23, 2018 3:27 PM  

Even a filibuster-proof majority would not solve the problem. If the Dems don't get what they want in the budget, they get their mouthpieces in the mainstream media, comedy, and popular culture to persuade the public that the Republicans are killing them. Very few Republicans know how to defend themselves the way Trump does. So, even with a filibuster-proof majority, if the Dems didn't get their way, enough Republicans would switch sides to pass the Democratic funding items and avoid being blamed for declaring war on the country.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 3:29 PM  

I'll up my point. Some of you are acting like punting from your own territory in the 2nd Quarter is the end of the game. Jeez. Stop the blackpilling.

Blogger AaMcavoy March 23, 2018 3:34 PM  

Doesn't this bill pay for a border fence? I thought it prohibited styles of border obstructions not already in use, but funded building more of what we currently have. Isn't that something?

Blogger Dire Badger March 23, 2018 3:35 PM  

Still better than Hillary or Bernie.

Blogger Edwin March 23, 2018 3:36 PM  

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Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 3:36 PM  

"I'll up my point. Some of you are acting like punting from your own territory in the 2nd Quarter is the end of the game. Jeez. Stop the blackpilling."

bzzt.

It wasn't 4th down. and the ball is not in our own territory. We have congress and the presidency. We have all the power. Its first down on their 5 and we threw a pick six.

Blogger Lazarus March 23, 2018 3:36 PM  

Q drop 178, addressed to 4 chan autists:

Learn to read the map.
We may have overestimated your ability.
Q



How many people who are disappointed now spent the last year lobbying their congressmen and Senators to support Trump?

Maybe everyone is still waiting for somebody (else) to do something.

Blogger Robert Divinity March 23, 2018 3:39 PM  

Trump's tone and body language indicated he knew this was a dreadful mistake. Mattis likely threatened to walk if Trump didn't sign the bill. POTUS' choice, but next time Mattis needs the boot.

Is it over? No, it's just starting. How it ends remains to be seen.

Blogger weka March 23, 2018 3:39 PM  

@18.There are only four concerns of national security of any real importance: 1) build the wall, 2) drain the swamp, 3) repatriate the enemy colonists and invaders, 4) wean our dependence on a usury economy.

This bill makes a mockery of all four.


Well, you could do this in NZ when I was a kid, so we changed the electoral rules so we don't have any party with a majority.

You have never been able to do that with the US constitution. I'd agree (and note I am not North American, Canadian and Mexican variants included) and you can build a wall and expel whom you like.

But Trump needs allies to get this done. He cannot do it alone. There are midterms coming up. Use them.

@19. https://twitter.com/SweepsFox/status/977168210121420800

Blogger Dire Badger March 23, 2018 3:41 PM  

@Lazarus-

Not me, I know this was running 5 yards back to get room away from the defense to make the touchdown.

So far, the pattern has held. I think his whole 'disappointed' statement was letting some folks know heads are going to roll.

Not to mention he knows the new Russian Cruise missile is a real thing, and can smash right past our sparrows and CIWS like they don't exist. We NEED to be developing new AM capability NOW, not 6 months from now.

Blogger Giraffe March 23, 2018 3:44 PM  

He could have let it sit on the desk... Till tomorrow. This heat would have been directed in another direction.

Blogger Anno Ruse March 23, 2018 3:47 PM  

You guys ever hear the one about the man who went to buy work boots, couldn't find his size, so he quit his job?

OpenID aew51183 March 23, 2018 3:53 PM  

Structurally it will be VERY hard for Democrats to avoid losing even more Senate seats, but based on the turnover I've been seeing, this back-stab of the base will usher in the 2nd reign of "speaker Pelosi"

So long as the GOP hold the senate, though, I fail to see a substantive difference this will make, aside from DNC leaders possibly toning down their attempt to incite the public into riots.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 3:54 PM  

"Is it over? No, it's just starting. How it ends remains to be seen."

I'm not saying its over either. A pick six in the second quarter when you're up 10 is not the end of the game.

But it sucks.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) March 23, 2018 3:54 PM  

i need a MAGA hat to wear with my "I've never been more proud to not be a Republican" shirt".

Blogger VFM #7634 March 23, 2018 3:54 PM  

Yeah, I was a bit upset that he didn't veto the bill. Because military? Seriously? Why do we need a huge, expensive military, except for neocon adventurism? There's something I'm not seeing.

The only possibility I can think of is that he's planning to veto the next bill in September, two months before the elections.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 3:55 PM  

"How many people who are disappointed now spent the last year lobbying their congressmen and Senators to support Trump?"

losers make loser excuses.

Blogger Arthur Isaac March 23, 2018 3:56 PM  

Happy days are here again. Just think of all the wonderful ways this will stimulate the economy, all of the access that businesses will have to cheap labor AND the glowing praises that CNN and MSNBC will have for Trump now.

Or, it could be that it's just not that important at this point. I stopped pretending the USA was still a thing somewhere back in Bush II and finished the grieving under 0bama. Next.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 3:58 PM  

@82 Nate

The Budget, via the Senate, is the one place the Swamp has the most leverage, thus they can trade blow for blow with Trump.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 23, 2018 3:58 PM  

this back-stab of the base will usher in the 2nd reign of "speaker Pelosi"

@89 aew51183
Only if the base is stupid enough to stay home and stops trying to primary out GOPe CoC flunkies.

Blogger RusticFederalist March 23, 2018 3:59 PM  

Do you think the country is still on track for 2033, or does this lack of veto move the date up?

Blogger Frank Brady March 23, 2018 3:59 PM  

Vox, this is either a betrayal or a surrender. There is NOTHING in this bill that the President has so loudly supported and EVERYTHING in this bill that the Democrats wanted. Trump and the GOP leadership have spat in the faces of everyone in America who supports the 2nd Amendment, opposes abortion, and wants an end to illegal immigration. Top that off with his just-announced appointments of John Bolton, Mike Pompeo and Gina Haspel what we have is Trump's total surrender of U.S. defense and foreign policy to the same lying bi-partisan neoconservative lunatics who steered us into the invasion of Iraq and regime change and other military operations in Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, Ukraine, and Yemen.

Blogger Musashi March 23, 2018 3:59 PM  

It's going to take a war.

Better get used to the idea.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 23, 2018 4:00 PM  

"The Budget, via the Senate, is the one place the Swamp has the most leverage, thus they can trade blow for blow with Trump."

@95 Looking Glass
Yeah, all those who insist Republicans control the Senate because they have 51 votes don't get that some of those votes are RINOs like McStain, Murkowski, Collins, and Corker, and loose cannons like Rand Paul.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 4:00 PM  

@90 Nate

2nd Quarter pick-6 on the opponent's 25 is about right. The other team's offense is a mess, but that drive went badly. Trump is currently in the process of benching a bunch of his offensive staff right now, actually.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 4:01 PM  

@100 VFM #7634

McCain hasn't left AZ since December. He's currently dying at home.

OpenID aew51183 March 23, 2018 4:01 PM  

@96

We've seen how well that worked with Moore and Saccone.
Perhaps these people should try listening to Trump for a change.

Blogger Jim Marotta March 23, 2018 4:02 PM  

This is one of those key historical turning points like catching the 4 carriers without top cover or that one German crew that got lost and jettisoned bombs over London. Nothing we can do now as the tsunami of communism/socialism washes the rest of the nation away. Glad I'm older and retired. I feel so sorry for the nation as it spirals down. The only thing left is to ensure good clear fields of fire from good defilade positions on your mini farm, defending against the starving herd of urbanites that will come. Man, I gotta stop day drinking :)

Blogger MickDundee March 23, 2018 4:05 PM  

QAnon will have the "storm" any day now.

Soon, all of our dreams will come true. Trump will smite all of our enemies in one fell swoop. It's going to happen, all of us will get raptured and only the unbelievers will be left behind.

Just ask Microchip and Ricky Vaughn.

Blogger Some Guy March 23, 2018 4:06 PM  

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Blogger FP March 23, 2018 4:07 PM  

Given past history with Trump I think I'll wait and see what happens in the next week or so. This is most definately a loss but it is not the end of the world as some make it out to be.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 4:07 PM  

"QAnon will have the "storm" any day now.

Soon, all of our dreams will come true. Trump will smite all of our enemies in one fell swoop. It's going to happen, all of us will get raptured and only the unbelievers will be left behind.

Just ask Microchip and Ricky Vaughn."

yep

And bitcoin is going to 100,000 too.

Blogger Rick March 23, 2018 4:07 PM  

"How many people who are disappointed now spent the last year lobbying their congressmen and Senators to support Trump?"

You actually think that makes a difference? More phone calls and strongly worded emails -- that'll do it.

Bought and paid for = bought and paid for.

Here is the step-by-step:

1) Drain the Swamp
2) Build the Wall
3) Reduce spending

Given our current situation, in order to do all those things (while we can), they have to be done in that order.

Blogger Some Guy March 23, 2018 4:08 PM  

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Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 4:08 PM  

I see the Narrative is being paid for. Clearly they prepped for this one.

But it's also Friday and no one will give a crap by Monday.


@103 aew51183

GOPe hit-jobs on viable candidates to cause a Dem to take a seat. Yup, it's gone to form for them.

Blogger Rick March 23, 2018 4:08 PM  

Good thing Nate's not in charge.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 4:09 PM  

"McCain hasn't left AZ since December. He's currently dying at home."

Thanks man. I needed a little pick me up.

Blogger SemiSpook37 March 23, 2018 4:09 PM  

This feels more like a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” kind of moment. Sometimes you need to make a play, even if it doesn’t come remotely close to the outcome you wanted.

Difference here is this is probably the last time Trump rolls over because some establishment type was dumb enough to say “Trust me.” This is a mistake that won’t happen again.

Blogger Some Guy March 23, 2018 4:09 PM  

God, we are the biggest bunch of whinners. Shit happens. We let people in in the 60's. We made China what it is today. Now we lose one spending bill and it's the end of everything. We aren't going to win this during Trump's presidency. This is going to take at least 60 years before we start to look and act like a country again. And that will be a consistent up hill fight to even get to that point (if it's even possible because we may be under Sharia Law before that). If we are going to lose, we lose by shit kicking the elites every step of the way. Embrace the suck people!

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 4:11 PM  

Nate wrote:"McCain hasn't left AZ since December. He's currently dying at home."

Thanks man. I needed a little pick me up.



Good point. The thought of McCain withering to death just brought a smile to my face as well. And, being McCain, he also won't retire before he dies, just to stick it to the country.

Blogger Nathan Bruno March 23, 2018 4:11 PM  

Lazarus wrote:Q drop 178, addressed to 4 chan autists:

Learn to read the map.

We may have overestimated your ability.

Q


How many people who are disappointed now spent the last year lobbying their congressmen and Senators to support Trump?

Maybe everyone is still waiting for somebody (else) to do something.


I have every day. I have also contacted every GOP RNC and state person who used to listen to me - regularly. I wrote some pretty tart stuff after the tweet this morning because I thought we were going to sally forth for the fight; my remarks to them look pretty stupid after he signed that.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 4:12 PM  

"Good thing Nate's not in charge."

You have no idea how true that is. People think Trump is a dictator. You have no idea. Give me power and I would fuck shit up like you cannot imagine.

Day one I would order every mosque in the country torn down. All of them. Mass deportation would start yesterday. Judges who pulled their bullshit would find themselves in jail. Media tards that pulled their bullshit would get a friendly visit at home at night. and if that didn't work they'd either be dead or in jail.

and that would all be happening before the close of the work day on tuesday.

Blogger Last Redoubt March 23, 2018 4:15 PM  

FWIW - https://twitter.com/GenAugustoP/status/977274889118912517

Blogger freddie_mac March 23, 2018 4:15 PM  

@46 Jeff aka Orville
I've seen enough of his actions to trust that he signed the bill with some good reasons we aren't yet aware of.

That's what I keep telling myself, and we've learned to wait 24-48hrs after a big move/statement to see how things shake out ... much harder this time than before.

We really *don't* have anyone else, and I'm trying to understand why it would make sense to toss away (what seemed to be) the upper hand. Somehow, this is 64d underwater, blindfolded backgammon, right? Right?

Blogger Last Redoubt March 23, 2018 4:16 PM  

Basically, games out the media/political fallout from an unsuccessful or successful veto - not sure if that excuses just signing it, but as Vox said, there may be other priorities that make making a stand here a lower priority

Blogger Mr. Naron March 23, 2018 4:17 PM  

My fear back during the primaries was that Trump's vaunted negotiating skills would be proven overrated once he encounters the kind of desperate greed that characterizes the national legislature. I'm sure mafia deals are easier to bluff. I highly doubt Trump had any idea how recalcitrant human beings can be.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 4:24 PM  

@122 Mr. Naron

Trump thrived in NYC real estate. He knows, which is why he signed the bill.


@121 Last Redoubt

The Budget is the place where the President has a weak hand, by design. That's why the Swamp has the Budget Process completely converged. Doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out why that is.

Blogger Dave March 23, 2018 4:31 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:Nate wrote:"McCain hasn't left AZ since December. He's currently dying at home."

Thanks man. I needed a little pick me up.



Good point. The thought of McCain withering to death just brought a smile to my face as well. And, being McCain, he also won't retire before he dies, just to stick it to the country.


Hate to break it to you, but McCain is currently undergoing his new brain implant courtesy of the Deep State.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 4:33 PM  

In other humor related news, the Left really is running with the "John Bolton is a Russian influence agent" line, and apparently the attack they're using on Gina Haspel was done by a Russian outfit. (There's reasons to be against Haspel, but in the SJWs always project category...)

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club March 23, 2018 4:33 PM  

I keep reading "it's only six months!". A trillion three in six months for a big of bucket of nothin' makes it worse, not better.

Blogger Salt March 23, 2018 4:33 PM  

Dave wrote:Hate to break it to you, but McCain is currently undergoing his new brain implant courtesy of the Deep State.

Hillary found a body donor?

Blogger Avalanche March 23, 2018 4:34 PM  

@58 "Something else is going on behind the scenes, which is why he held his nose and signed under protest."

HOW MUCH LONGER do we have to keep CLINGING to hope that he is doing this-that-and-the-other because... he's doing something else, 5D chess, he's doing something secret, he's doing something we'll like IF it ever happens?!

In the MEANTIME we taxpayers are still paying tons of money to *fly* god-damned unscreened, diseased, criminal illegals to 'safe havens' ALL OVER this country!! DACA is still operating, chain migration, family reunification, anchor babies, still thousands MORE people pouring over our borders! "Stroke of the pen, law of the land" remember?!

He's got LOTS of time, apparently, to mess about with literally six or seven HOURS every day -- and yet STILL has not TOUCHED the things we 'hired' him to fix!

I'm really AM trying to hang on. I really AM trying to hang on to some smidgen of hope that there IS some there there.... but I don't SEE much winning going on. I'm TRYING to see it, but I'm just not sure it's still there.

Just yesterday, I was pointing out that "The Derb" castigated him for appearing to be a jerk in his first "TV meeting with Congress" about DACA -- that the media (and my friend) all claimed "he always agree with the last person who spoke to him." But LOOK! Said I, he did INDEED "agree" with everyone who spoke with him -- and yet Congress didn't do a thing, and so DACA is supposedly over. It's PAST the March 19 deadline to save.

Now, you and the media are screaming about his TV meeting with Congress on gun control; he even agreed to look into banning bumpstocks, and seemed to agree with whoever last spoke in THAT meeting... and yet nothing had changed yet. He hasn't even outlawed bump stocks.

Maybe he's letting the public SEE the Dems (and RINOs) in action in public being incautious about their true goals?! But his base is being driven screaming mad! (In both meanings of 'mad.")

OpenID Mike Jackson March 23, 2018 4:35 PM  

Hey, at least Zion got $3 billion. That's the important thing. This bill is still a win.

Blogger SciVo March 23, 2018 4:40 PM  

S1AL wrote:This is a 6-month bill. It all depends on if Trump follows through on vetoing the next one (because there will be a next one).

Hmm. I guess there wouldn't have been much point in going to the mats on this one, if there would be another one a month and a half before the midterms, and that would be the one on people's minds when they vote.

Strings6459 wrote:The thing that stuck in my mind listening to Trump speak is we must be going to fight somebody and we need the military. I can't see another reason for signing the bill.

Maybe to intimidate someone into not fighting.

Nate wrote:They call Trump Hitler... But this is how you get a Hitler. This right here.

Why, it's almost like they're partially educated and what they call "thinking" is more of a reflex really, where they open their mouths and words come out.

Patrick Kelly wrote:"then vote in some of those 'far right loonies'."

Need to do this in the primaries and get the furthest right Repubs you can into the election, otherwise your choice will still be a repub swamp creature or some gay pink haired vegan commie.


Yeah, no point in nominating "mainstream" candidates to protect a majority if it's indistinguishable.

Blogger Tyler Dykstra March 23, 2018 4:40 PM  

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Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 4:40 PM  

@124 Dave

If he comes back with a helmet, he's going to be called "Darth McNasty".

OpenID Mike Jackson March 23, 2018 4:42 PM  

HOW MUCH LONGER do we have to keep CLINGING to hope that he is doing this-that-and-the-other because... he's doing something else, 5D chess, he's doing something secret, he's doing something we'll like IF it ever happens?!

Unfortunately, a segment of Trump supporters have become Trump's personal Correct the Record. Just like CTR with Hillary...whatever he does, however seemingly awful, is actually brilliant.

Trump was never really with our program. But he is deathly afraid of failure, so we need to hold his feet to the fire. Feigning support and pretending everything is fine is not going to help.

The system is designed that the President holds all the cards. If he's unhappy with any bill he is sent, he can veto it. He can't blame anyone but himself. He ought to veto everything that comes to him until they get it right.

If he had employees building something for him, and he didn't like it, would he accept that? No. So why should he accept the garbage that Congress gives him? Make them stay in session until Easter morning, if that's what it takes.

Blogger Crew March 23, 2018 4:46 PM  

Even though money has been approved for all sorts of crazy shit in the budget doesn't mean the President has to spend it, does he?

Blogger tuberman March 23, 2018 4:47 PM  

Tons of money in this for OIG report 100's of millions, with conditions stopping everyone from holding up the report.

We will all know within the next few months, but I say this was a "GO SIGN" for the next stage. It does not matter what we think at this stage, as what will happen, will happen. The money was placed into this bill by the Trump Team do do certain things necessary. DON'T BELIEVE THE REST WILL MATTER IF THE MAIN 8 CHAN (AND I) PEOPLE ARE CORRECT.

BILL = FINAL GO SIGN. MY TAKE. TAKE A PAUSE -- WE'LL SEE.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 4:48 PM  

Mike Jackson & Tyler Dykstra are posting the same messages. Yes, I saw before you deleted the first one. Found the paid shill!

Blogger Avalanche March 23, 2018 4:49 PM  

@99 "It's going to take a war.
Better get used to the idea."

But then, it was ALWAYS going to take a war...

The most the God Emperor was likely to be able to handle was a slow-down in the run up. I used to 'sell' him before the election as a sea anchor -- the ONLY chance we had not to fly full-on into the rocks and founder. His 'job' (our main/only chance) was to slow down the our race onto the rocks long enough to MAYBE fix the damaged Ship of State enough to stay afloat!

This included throwing overboard the damned illegals (ballast!) and Swamp Creatures (saboteurs!) and catching and locking up (or throwing overboard -- I voted for THAT!) the "actual" supposed sailors (RINOs, NeverTrumpers, sell-outs, and liars)... which would leave very few of us scrambling to make repairs... But the Captain just seems to have taken a really bad mis-step for those of us trying to save the Ship. Pray GOD it's not so!

Blogger Andrew March 23, 2018 4:53 PM  

Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Obama Administration legalized bump stocks. BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS with a mandated comment period. We will BAN all devices that turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns.


Who's tired of winning?

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 4:53 PM  

@134 Crew

I expect Trump to enact some revenge on this one. We'll see what he directs the Administration to do.

Blogger Avalanche March 23, 2018 4:54 PM  

@118 ""Good thing Nate's not in charge."

You have no idea how true that is. People think Trump is a dictator. You have no idea. Give me power and I would fuck shit up like you cannot imagine."

Aw Nate, *I* would vote for you!!

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 4:57 PM  

@138 Andrew

Trump set in motion the removal of a rule that was intended for the exact result it got used. (The Obama Admin wanted it used in mass shootings.) Oh boy, how horrible.

OpenID qualitycontrol1 March 23, 2018 4:57 PM  

I fail to see how Debt and spending is a major issue. I get that you guys don't like to give money to (((people))) that murder babies but it's not important considering the situation. No one will care about debt when the country breaks apart in 15 years. Especially when you consider it's money created out of thin air. Just default on it and be over with it.

Blogger pyrrhus March 23, 2018 5:02 PM  

A good analysis by CH...https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/03/23/the-globobus-spending-bill-and-the-magabyss/

Blogger VD March 23, 2018 5:03 PM  

Maybe...just maybe...consider Trump is not the 4-D chess player God-Emperor, but just another puppet?

Ridiculous. Never Trump would not exist and the Deep State would not be at war.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 5:04 PM  

"Obama Administration legalized bump stocks. BAD IDEA. As I promised, today the Department of Justice will issue the rule banning BUMP STOCKS with a mandated comment period. We will BAN all devices that turn legal weapons into illegal machine guns."

See this?

This is the primary reason I doubt the whole 4D chess theory. Bump stocks do not change a rifle from semi-auto to full auto. Banning them opens a door to all manner of issues. This is not a slippery slope. This is a cliff. Going off it requires us to redefine what automatic and semi-automatic are.

this is not some trivial matter to hand over without a fight.

This is catastrophically bad strategy.

Blogger tuberman March 23, 2018 5:06 PM  

I counted at least 355 million dollars for the OIG report in this bill.

With page 581 having 245 million listed alone.

And this stippulation was added to bill:


PAGE 595
“NO FUNDS IN THIS ACT SHALL BE USED TO DENY AN INSPECTOR GENERAL FUNDED UNDER THIS ACT TIMELY ACCESS TO ANY RECORDS, DOCUMENTS, OTHER OTHER MATERIALS TO THE DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY OVER WHICH THE IG HAS RESPONIBILITIES OR TO PREVENT ACCESS TO RECORDS…”

The OIG is the big takedown!

OpenID Mike Jackson March 23, 2018 5:06 PM  

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/977286489410240514

LOL. I know many of you don't care about bump stocks, but it's still handing an issue over to the shitlibs—straight out of the Bush-Romney playbook.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 5:08 PM  

@147 Mike Jackson

Go away, paid shill.

Blogger SciVo March 23, 2018 5:09 PM  

Josh (the sexiest thing here) wrote:Flake voted against the omnibus

So? My Democrat Representative and one of my Democrat Senators did too, but you can't tell me that they wouldn't have voted to override a veto. Totally meaningless. Both parties give vulnerable members cover for "squid ink" votes whenever possible.

As it happens, in this case I think some Republicans are supposed to lose so that the Uniparty can keep up the kabuki and impeach Trump with Democrat votes. But regardless, a single vote against one unpopular bill is not a meaningful signifier.

Salt wrote:The spending bill is for 6 months. You can't tell me that in 6 months the military will be sufficiently upgraded as Trump wants. But this 6 months has given the Dems maneuvering room for the mid-terms; hey look, we can control Trump.

Is it that they you don't know when the midterms are, can't math, or are unfamiliar with availability heuristics?

OpenID Mike Jackson March 23, 2018 5:10 PM  

I fail to see how Debt and spending is a major issue.

It's not, but unless Trump is going to use MAGA magic to use that defense money for the wall, it's an epic failure. Especially with his "NEVAR AGAIN" bullshit.

If it was so bad that you would say "never again," why'd you do it in the first place?

Blogger Ingot9455 March 23, 2018 5:11 PM  

@134 There's a law from the Nixon era that says that the money has to be spent. There's more detail to it than I can get into right now but the president doesn't have a pocket line-item budget veto just by not spending. There's a lot of control he has, but he can't just not spend it.

Blogger Thomas Howard March 23, 2018 5:13 PM  

I called Citibank today, canceled my account, and made sure they knew it was because of their anti 2A business policy. I encourage anyone who loves freedom to do the same. Who knows, maybe word will get back to Trump. Probably more effective than calling the White House switchboard.

OpenID Mike Jackson March 23, 2018 5:14 PM  

Go away, paid shill.

LOL. I had a Trump sign in my yard from October 2015 till February 2017. Sorry to disturb the fragile illusion of the God Emperor that you hold in your mind, child.

If we aren't allowed to be critical of Trump's actions, he won't be held accountable. He looks for feedback and we have to give it to him loud and clear.

Blogger Ceasar March 23, 2018 5:18 PM  

Trump needs the military to help drain the swamp. His first priority is repairing damage Dems have done. When indictments start coming down and people see high level Dems and Swamp being arrested, people will be back on the Trump train.

Blogger VFM #7634 March 23, 2018 5:18 PM  

@118

Nateslide 2024

Blogger exfarmkid March 23, 2018 5:22 PM  

"Good thing Nate's not in charge."

You have no idea how true that is. People think Trump is a dictator. You have no idea. Give me power and I would fuck shit up like you cannot imagine.

Day one I would order every mosque in the country torn down. All of them. Mass deportation would start yesterday. Judges who pulled their bullshit would find themselves in jail. Media tards that pulled their bullshit would get a friendly visit at home at night. and if that didn't work they'd either be dead or in jail.

and that would all be happening before the close of the work day on tuesday.


Sounds like a reasonably good start.

OpenID Mike Jackson March 23, 2018 5:24 PM  

Trump needs the military to help drain the swamp.

The military is half compromised anyway, what with all the brown people we bring in and give citizenship to just because they agree to fight for Israel, and all the trannies and gays that Trump continues to allow in the military.

I would believe Trump was going to use the military to drain the swamp if he started closing foreign bases and stationing tens of thousands of Marines in northern Virginia.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 5:24 PM  

@146 tuberman

Trump has spent over 6 months playing out DACA in exactly the way it had to be played if he was going to kill it. Trump plays the long game and knows when he can only extract as much as possible, given the situation.

The Budget was always going to be bad until after the 2018 election, and it's amazing people are still falling for the Media Gaslighting about that. We've known it's been an issue since February 2017.

Mid-term Campaign stuff should kick in around August, given Trump's Push & Glide approach.

Blogger The Deuce March 23, 2018 5:26 PM  

Jeff aka Orville wrote:How many of you get everything you want, your way, and on your time? None of you. This is true in life, business and politics. Something else is going on behind the scenes, which is why he held his nose and signed under protest.

How about if we'd gotten even ONE thing we wanted? Would just one thing to balance out the Democrats getting everything have been too much to hope for?

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 5:27 PM  

@154 Mike Jackson

It doesn't work when: 1) you just randomly showed up here and 2) I saw you posting under multiple names because you messed up switching between them.

You are a shill. You're here to take over a thread and set a Narrative. We know this, and the clean up crew will be here soon enough.

So, in the intervening moments before your eradication... Repent of your Sins and accept the Grace & Salvation of God via his Son, Jesus Christ. Your soul is more important than your paycheck.

Blogger tublecane March 23, 2018 5:27 PM  

@104-"one of those key historical turning points like...that one German crew that got lost and jettisoned bombs over London"

What? There was no such key historical turning point.

Blogger Crew March 23, 2018 5:31 PM  

The UniParty and the Deep State thought they had Trump beaten before November 8, 2016, but they didn't.

I don't think they have beaten him yet, either!

Blogger Wolfman at Large March 23, 2018 5:33 PM  

The anger is part of the plan. Get good and angry. You'll feel good about it later. Forty-five D chess. This is crazy matador voodoo shit.

OpenID Mike Jackson March 23, 2018 5:35 PM  

you just randomly showed up here

I've been posting here for nearly a year. I didn't register an AIM account until our gracious host required commenters to be registered.

Like Vox, I'd rather discuss issues rather than personalities.

Blogger Cetera March 23, 2018 5:37 PM  

Nate wrote:"Good thing Nate's not in charge."

You have no idea how true that is. People think Trump is a dictator. You have no idea. Give me power and I would fuck shit up like you cannot imagine.

Day one I would order every mosque in the country torn down. All of them. Mass deportation would start yesterday. Judges who pulled their bullshit would find themselves in jail. Media tards that pulled their bullshit would get a friendly visit at home at night. and if that didn't work they'd either be dead or in jail.

and that would all be happening before the close of the work day on tuesday.



I'd vote for you, Nate. Hell, I'd serve under you too.

Blogger The Deuce March 23, 2018 5:39 PM  

So, this monstrosity only lasts for six months, at which point Trump will need to break his promise not pass a piece of garbage like it again or face another government shut down.

What's the big plan here supposed to be? Why are we supposed to think he'll keep this promise any more than he kept his previous promise not to sign a bill without wall funding?

The Democrats will of course threaten military spending again, since Trump caved to them on it already. How does he intend to prevent that from working again? Is a government shutdown going to be MORE politically palatable in six months from now just weeks away from the midterm elections? Obviously not. Obviously the pressure to cave will be even higher next time.

Then again, MAYBE he'll get a f***ing clue from the freefall his approval ratings are about to take as his base starts returning the favor and abandoning him in droves. Well, I can dream anyway.

Blogger Looking Glass March 23, 2018 5:40 PM  

@161 tublecane

It's Narrative Shill City day. Given that the Senators skipped town to force Trump to sign or shut down the government, there were clearly large-scale forces prepared to cause Trump Supporters a bad weekend. If anyone even remembers this by Monday, I'll be surprised. Which is also why they're dropping things that never happened, but you have to go check if they did.

On the issue of Debt, I wish it mattered more, but it doesn't. Having Americans in control of the Fed Board is more important, but that'll take more time before they're a majority. The entire situation is an even worse knot to untangle.

OpenID qualitycontrol1 March 23, 2018 5:48 PM  

@150. Mike Jackson
I think it's more of a 'wasting money on stupid shit that no one wants' issue. Yet I have seen so many people that shill against debt. I agree with the statement that our side has made zero progress today but I fail to see how we lost anything but time.

Blogger Anno Ruse March 23, 2018 5:50 PM  

"You have no idea how true that is. People think Trump is a dictator. You have no idea. Give me power and I would fuck shit up like you cannot imagine.

Day one I would order every mosque in the country torn down. All of them. Mass deportation would start yesterday. Judges who pulled their bullshit would find themselves in jail. Media tards that pulled their bullshit would get a friendly visit at home at night. and if that didn't work they'd either be dead or in jail."

Yeah, so would we all. Meanwhile we do absolutely nothing because we're waiting for permission. Permission from who, exactly?

Blogger Crew March 23, 2018 5:52 PM  

I am actually pretty confident that President Trump is going to be locking up a bunch of folks soon, and some of those will be elected representatives ...

Blogger Wolfman at Large March 23, 2018 5:53 PM  

Some very autistic gentlemen are going over the spending bill. Little bombs buried here and there. The swamp may have funded its own draining.

Blogger Nick March 23, 2018 5:53 PM  

I stopped reading after the words"next time".

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener March 23, 2018 5:53 PM  

While I consider bump stock useless in a practical sense, Nate is 100% correct. This is regulation by issuing overt lies, and once this starts there is no end to it. Idiotic move by Trump, and so much for Sessions being a man of honor who scrupulously plays by the rules.

Blogger Crew March 23, 2018 5:55 PM  

@151. That omnibus bill is not a budget.

Look harder. I think you will find that President Trump is not as bound to spend the money as you think.

Blogger Nick March 23, 2018 5:57 PM  

It's over...

Blogger Wolfman at Large March 23, 2018 6:01 PM  

Grand Inquisitor activated???

https://twitter.com/2runtherace/status/977278879911079936

Blogger Crew March 23, 2018 6:03 PM  

@175. Ahhh, you see it too. Trump has them by the balls now ... but the Swamp just doesn't know it yet.

Blogger AaMcavoy March 23, 2018 6:04 PM  

Anno Ruse wrote:"You have no idea how true that is. People think Trump is a dictator. You have no idea. Give me power and I would fuck shit up like you cannot imagine.

Day one I would order every mosque in the country torn down. All of them. Mass deportation would start yesterday. Judges who pulled their bullshit would find themselves in jail. Media tards that pulled their bullshit would get a friendly visit at home at night. and if that didn't work they'd either be dead or in jail."

Yeah, so would we all. Meanwhile we do absolutely nothing because we're waiting for permission. Permission from who, exactly?


$64k question.

Blogger Wolfman at Large March 23, 2018 6:04 PM  

The Marine are apparently authorised to build a 'defensive wall' on the southern border.

https://twitter.com/2runtherace/status/977302677372702721

Blogger Latigo3 March 23, 2018 6:05 PM  

After thinking about the title of this post for a while i just realized that I have seen this movie before.
The population is angry after discovering that we were being lied to, so we re-called "Gray Out" Davis, it opened the field for Porn Stars and Movie Stars. We elected a movie star (Arnold) with a famous (but ugly) wife (Maria), the state senate eventually made Arnold powerless and it was business as usual. Now the Republican Party in the stat of California is a laughing stock and Jerry Brown is just driving the nails in the coffin. I like Trump and I voted for him (even bought the Trumpslide shirt), I don't count our President out yet, but I am beginning to wonder if the same thing that happened to California and it's Republican Party is about to happen to the rest of the country.

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 23, 2018 6:05 PM  

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OpenID markstoval March 23, 2018 6:06 PM  

I have always been a big fan of Pat Buchanan. He was the president we really needed -- and at a time when the country could still be saved. Alas, perhaps that time has passed.

Anyway, a great and timely new essay by him:

"Will the Deep State Break Trump?" By Patrick J. Buchanan

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/patrick-j-buchanan/will-the-deep-state-break-trump/

Blogger JaimeInTexas March 23, 2018 6:06 PM  

Trump not just screwed up, he royally screwed up. Should vetoed and forced an override.
The danger is Trump sensing a weakening of support and, to shift focus, push a conflict escalation somewhere.
In 6 months we will find out if Trump will have a serious challenger in the GOP primary in 2020.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 6:07 PM  

"It's Narrative Shill City day. Given that the Senators skipped town to force Trump to sign or shut down the government, there were clearly large-scale forces prepared to cause Trump Supporters a bad weekend. If anyone even remembers this by Monday, I'll be surprised."

you realize you're calling Trump an out-of-touch idiot right? I don't think you realize that but you are in fact doing that.

You're saying Trump is so out-of-touch and stupid that he really thinks his base has a problem with the government being shut down.

We don't. In fact... we prefer it shut down.

Blogger Nate March 23, 2018 6:08 PM  

"Yeah, so would we all. Meanwhile we do absolutely nothing because we're waiting for permission. Permission from who, exactly?"

I can't speak for you... but I don't do it because I value my own immortal soul than I value this particular government.

Blogger Johnny March 23, 2018 6:16 PM  

I don't like this but I am not all that surprised. Trying to control spending is a political loser, which is why it so relentlessly goes up. Plus Trump by his nature is not a physical conservative. At least I don't think so.

Thinking of it in crass political terms, it's like the swamp wanted a veto, which is why the thing is so unbalanced.

The best possible spin I can think of is that Trump anticipates a large number of indictments, and the other side wanted the distraction of a gov shutdown. Thus Trump had a need to avoid side distractions. Plus, by the way, political reality is that he is not running for reelection for two more years. Thus there is time to shore up the base.

Blogger PastyWhiteBoy March 23, 2018 6:16 PM  

Its only a 6 month spending bill. It'll expire during the run up to elections. One does not choose to engage in every opportunity. One must pick your battles. I know the Dark Lord appreciates that. Have faith in the GEOTUS

Blogger Demonic Professor El March 23, 2018 6:20 PM  

It's possible it's a buyout to the snakes in the GOPe as well as to the Deathocrats. On one hand, it makes it look like Trump's playing ball and you won't get more Alabamas coming in November where the GOPe purposely loses or allows Dhimmicrats to win.

Plus, it's an omnibus bill. Like others have noted, it gives money directly to Trump's control to do what he needs to do on other fronts. Sure, he should have vetoed for the override, just to mess up the Dhimmis, but that's passed.

Think about what Trump tends to do - make a big carrot for the MSM to attack him on while doing other actions. Tariffs, prosecutions, and Russia will be out of the news for a minute.

Also think about what the Democrats have to run on in November with the spending bill passed: gun confiscation, illegal immigration, outsourcing, increased taxes. Not much of a winning ticket outside of certain demographics.

Sometimes you have to stop fighting in swamps to maintain the high ground. We'll see. But GE has typically proven he knows a lot more about strategy than his opponents wish to think.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 23, 2018 6:26 PM  

For those who don't know much about the nuts and bolts, some input by the knowledgeable would be helpful. Isn't this temporary? Six months, right? So it isn't like caving in regarding a Supreme Court justice or giving amnesty to millions?
Seems like an undeniable screwup, provided there's no other factor out there that we don't know about, but is it a permanent death sentence?
I'll be honest the debt doesn't interest me because we are past the point of no return, and it's not getting paid back anyway. We are like a suicidal person running up credit card bills, so he can buy his friends and family lavish gifts. Good luck getting payment from a country embroiled in war.

Er, that's how it seems. Those who have actually followed it closely will obviously know more.

Blogger Ingot9455 March 23, 2018 6:28 PM  

@174 I was just reading that - that since it's an 'Omnibus Continuing Spending Bill' or whatever, it doesn't fall under the 'must spend' law about real budgets, and that Obama didn't follow the law the same way.

I guess we'll find out - Obama didn't have to follow laws because he had the press on his side not reporting his lawbreaking and his DOJ and his FBI would never investigate him or prosecute him. But Trump doesn't have those advantages and if he tries a clean 'don't spend' bit, it'll hit the papers and traitors will try to arrest him.

Like I said, there's many ways to slow-walk the money, but that presumes he has the attention to do so. he's busy dismantling North Korea and Iran, dredging the Deep State, and Guilder to blame for it. He's swamped!"

Blogger Phillip George March 23, 2018 6:29 PM  

http://jimstonefreelance.com/blackmail.html

this will not make it through international filters

Blogger Crew March 23, 2018 6:30 PM  

@189: So, actually, it's better than that. It's not a congressionally mandated budget.

So, Trump is not bound to spend the money. It's the same as they gave Obama and he chose to spend the money on what he wanted or to not spend the money as he desired.

He can slow walk money to sanctuary cities until September when the money runs out. He can choose to build a big beautiful wall on the Southern Border with some of that defense money.

It's all good.

Blogger Andrew March 23, 2018 6:31 PM  

You're saying Trump is so out-of-touch and stupid that he really thinks his base has a problem with the government being shut down.

Trump also apparently thinks deporting the Nightmares would be a bad thing, at least optically. Literally no one would care except those who were never going to vote for Trump anyway. There is no optics issue here, never was.

Blogger Demonic Professor El March 23, 2018 6:34 PM  

@193 Andrew

The only thing I can think of regarding "Optics" isn't with the voter base, but the spineless GOPe who sells out their own party. Probably just a move to keep them shut in to maintain control of Congress for November.

Me? I think he should boot them out whatever way possible.

Blogger Long Live The West March 23, 2018 6:36 PM  

Nate wrote:We don't. In fact... we prefer it shut down.

Amen. Half the people I know were enjoying the shutdown that happened over daca, the rest simply didn't care. Trump doesn't lose anything by forcing a shutdown.

Regarding this affair as a whole, I'm willing to watch and wait. Trump makes mistakes, no doubt about that. I have no problem with people making their voices heard either. If Trump sees he made a mistake he can work to do better next time, and if everyone is wrong and this is all part of his plan he'll be vindicated and won't care what we're saying.

Keep in mind that Trump is the result of the first wave of the awakening. Heads might not literally roll for a few more waves.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 23, 2018 6:37 PM  

@118 Nate

You've got my vote! Now we have to wait until a time machine is created so we can travel back and get Nate into the WH.

Blogger Demonic Professor El March 23, 2018 6:41 PM  

@118 Nate

You have my vote, Imperator.

Blogger Dyspeptic March 23, 2018 6:42 PM  

For me the essential takeaway is that Trump justified signing this turd sandwich with the extremely lame "muh military spending" excuse. There is no amount of military spending that is adequate when the goal is total world domination and endless, unwinnable wars. He sold out his agenda so the executive suites at Boeing, General Dynamics and Raytheon could line their pockets. I imagine the muckety mucks of the military industrial complex are breaking out the champagne, piling up the mountains of coke and eagerly awaiting the arrival of their favorite Ukrainian hookers.
"There are only four concerns of national security of any real importance: 1) build the wall, 2) drain the swamp, 3) repatriate the enemy colonists and invaders, 4) wean our dependence on a usury economy. This bill makes a mockery of all four." THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS!

Blogger Mom March 23, 2018 6:51 PM  

I backed Trump, because I had no choice...either him or HRC, the corrupt witch. But, I'm done with him. No way should he have signed that damn bill. And, fuck our government to hell. Rotten, corrupt, a-holes only out for their own pocketbooks. God, I wish the entire nation would just refuse to pay their taxes until those ass wipes would stop giving themselves raises, stop their lifetime massive salaries even after retirement, vote in term limits and ACTUALLY START GIVING A FUCK ABOUT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

OpenID markstoval March 23, 2018 6:55 PM  

@118 Nate

I am sorry but you don't have my vote just yet.

You see, I find your solution too soft. If you would add on that you would blow up the Mosques with the invaders still inside then I might go for that.

This is war after all.

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