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Wednesday, March 07, 2018

We already have that word

"I still think we need a word for cultural self-genocide."
- Stephen Green, Instapundit

We have it. That word is "immigration".

"Having spent some time perusing the genetic imprints of invaded populations, it is clear that if the warriors coming from the Eastern steppes left a cultural imprint, they certainly left their genes at home. Gene transfer between areas happens by group migrations, inclement climate, and unaccommodating soil rather than war."
- NN Taleb, Skin in the Game

Immigration is not "good for the economy". Immigration is the precise opposite of "who we are". And as genetic science has conclusively proven, it is quite literally worse than war.

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87 Comments:

Blogger Lovekraft March 07, 2018 1:27 PM  

Canada's Prime Minister is bending over backwards to court the feminist and immigrant urban vote. He's doing this while coming across as a chameleon, without principles or backbone. Not an inspiration for any national leader. More like a huckster peddling cheap knock-offs.

Blogger Yorzhik March 07, 2018 1:27 PM  

There are a number of reasonable people that understand immigration changes the culture, while free trade helps the economy.

So what I'd like to know is what is the culture changing to and why is that bad?

Blogger Felix March 07, 2018 1:34 PM  

Combo Islam/gay left.
But due to the fact that gays/leftists have a birthrate around zero , they are banking on the idea that they will be able to convert muslim youth to their side peacefully via media/public school/ university indoctrination. Doubt it works as well as it did indoctrinating conservative kids.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 07, 2018 1:45 PM  

The quote by Taleb hints at the fact that premodern armies were much smaller than contemporary armies.
The "Kemetic Science," black supremacists claim that modern Egyptians are fairer in tone due to the invasions of the Greeks and Romans, but neither Alexander nor Caesar had anything approaching the numbers needed to change the Egyptians' appearance significantly. Even the Arabs had a relatively small impact on the genetics of Egyptians.
The reason Egypt is what it is genetically, is due to the massive migration of a a large, Semitic people from Asia Minor, 15-20,000 years ago. They slaughtered the original inhabitants (about whom very little is known) and totally supplanted them. Sub-Saharan genes only exist in the Egyptian population due to the influx of black slaves during the Ottoman Empire. Only the horn peoples are examples of mixing between Asian invaders and blacks in deep antiquity.

What you've written is the absolute truth. Black Egypt is annoying and this truth shuts it down totally, hence my sperging ( for which I apologize in advance).

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2018 1:50 PM  

Yorzhik wrote:There are a number of reasonable people that understand immigration changes the culture, while free trade helps the economy.

Free trade does not help the economy. it helps the finance sector while destroying the parts of the economy most non-Jews depend on for their livelihoods.

So what I'd like to know is what is the culture changing to and why is that bad?
It's changing to Mexico at best and Dehli at worst. That's bad because it's not our culture.

You have to go back.

Blogger Zimri March 07, 2018 1:52 PM  

Hey Wynn, I'm happy to sperg out, as a researcher in this field myself, so when I read your #3 I have questions.

A "Semitic" people from any place is impossible 15-20,000 years ago. The Semitic languages are closely related such that their common ancestor is normally dated to 8000 years ago or less.

If by Semitic you mean Semite-ish, yeah, "Afro Asiastic" is usually considered a language-family, but some of us doubt it. Unlike with Indo-European, researchers working independently of each other have come up with radically different family-trees for that.

tl;dr, I should like to see your sources. On Afro-Asiatic research fail (reviewing two studies from 1998) - Robert Ratcliffe, "On calculating the reliability of the comparative method at long and medium distances: Afroasiatic Comparative Lexica as a test case".

Blogger VD March 07, 2018 2:07 PM  

So what I'd like to know is what is the culture changing to and why is that bad?

To something that is not Christian Anglo-American. Because Christian Anglo-American culture is the best that Mankind has ever known, which is precisely why your ancestors wanted to live in it.

The problem is that not everyone who wants to can, because the mere act of entering it adulterates it.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 07, 2018 2:09 PM  

That's good to know. Its interesting that it didn't extend that far back. I just assumed they were Semitic due to them being the forebears of the Ancient Egyptian people and language. "Proto-Semitic" is probably a better term, but maybe not by much. I can't bring myself to say, "Afro-Asiatic," though. It just sounds too awkward.

In any case, they came from Asia Minor, and aren't negroes, which is mainly what I've been interested in (though the linguistic stuff you mentioned is definitely interesting, too).
Sadly, this is a controversial issue, even in universities. American Afrocentrists claim nearly every ancient civilization, which should clue them in to their own narcissism, but it doesn't.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 07, 2018 2:13 PM  

Also this isn't a major field of study for me; I don't know much above their origins other than the "Black Egypt" issue. A real linguist is a definite bonus, though. I'm sure you could rip a giant hole in the various arguments with dindus I get involved with (for fun- it's obvious they won't ever listen to reason).

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 2:17 PM  

My grandparents were immigrants and, due to that being an intrinsic part of my family heritage, I find elements of the anti-immigration argument somewhat confusing.

Based on this and other statements, would you infer that all immigration is unacceptable and should be avoided or is there a marked and acceptable difference between immigration and assimilation?

My grandparents worked very hard to assimilate into western American culture although my grandfather never did speak much English. They were proud to become Americans and I now have a large extended family who have served in the military, devoutly pursue Christian faith, and are profoundly, and some would say even rabidly, conservative.

FYI, they weren't illegals. Ellis Island and all that.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2018 2:19 PM  

mrsheidistone wrote:My grandparents were immigrants and, due to that being an intrinsic part of my family heritage, I find elements of the anti-immigration argument somewhat confusing.
It's not about you.

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 2:23 PM  

@Snidely. Thank you. That clears everything up. I have no further questions about this topic.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 07, 2018 2:24 PM  

I'm not sure that anyone is calling for white immigrants' descendants to go back.

Practically-speaking, "white ethnics" are here to stay, and we're already mixing with them. The problem is that we now have Non-European immigrants who not only don't assimilate, but actively try to harm our national body politic.

I'm speaking only for myself, here, though.

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 2:34 PM  

Let me simplify my question:

Is assimilation in immigration an anomaly?

While it is what occurred in my own family tree, which isn't to say that an anecdote qualifies as a sturdy foundation for valid opinion, it has strongly influenced my own perspective on immigration. A perspective I am now questioning due to the current national and international fiasco.

Is there anyone who would care to actually discuss that?

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 2:53 PM  

"Because Christian Anglo-American culture is the best that Mankind has ever known, which is precisely why your ancestors wanted to live in it."

I think it also drops IQ levels just at the time we need to get off-planet to ensure human survival. At this rate, we ain't going to make it.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 07, 2018 2:58 PM  

mrsheidistone wrote:My grandparents were immigrants and, due to that being an intrinsic part of my family heritage, I find elements of the anti-immigration argument somewhat confusing.

If you think we're talking about you when we say ``They have to go back,'' you're probably right. If you think we're talking about those other guys, and not you at all, you're probably right.

It's sort of like the way we know who the Baby Boomers are, because whenever the Boomers are criticized, they come out of the woodwork protesting that NABBALT, and they really aren't bad at all anyway.

Just as a further hint, if you are conflicted because of your loyalty to the Old Country and your compatriots from there, you haven't assimilated yet.

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 3:04 PM  

@mrsheidistone:

It is quite possible that you are not as assimilated as you think. But your families' arrival is water under the bridge at this point. And I would say that immigration of one national group into the territory of another national group is always damaging to the receiving nation.

The fatal flaw of the United States is that from the beginning it has been a multi-national country. And this situation has only deteriorated with successive immigration waves.

This is one reason why many of us believe that the fracturing the American Union is inevitable.

--ZhukovG

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 3:10 PM  

@zhukovg

So, then, in a nutshell, assimilation is not only an anomaly it is a sober kid at a frat party. Highly unlikely.

Interesting. I don't disagree with your assessment.

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 3:11 PM  

This is one reason why many of us believe that the fracturing the American Union is inevitable.

Not to mention incredibly DESIRABLE.

Blogger rycamor March 07, 2018 3:12 PM  

@mrsheidistone,

Speaking as an Anglo Christian American (descendant of actual revolutionaries), there is no easy answer. Every immigrant affects the place he arrives. It is inescapable. The only question is how much is acceptable. It is always a question of degree. No society has ever had zero immigration, but the variables in question include:

a. The degree of difference between the cultures (Northern European Christian immigrants were at least far closer to the Anglos than Arabs or the Japanese)
b. The religion in question (There have been Middle Eastern Christians for millenia. I would far rather have them than Muslims)
c. The numbers, obviously. 1% makes a far lesser impact than 15%. It only takes a small minority to start tipping the scales, though.
d. The political philosophy to which the immigrants hold. For obvious reasons.

However, immigrants from a seemingly similar place can still sow seeds of change for even greater immigration. One could argue this has happened with several people groups in the USA.

The real question now is how we pick up the pieces and figure something out. I doubt it makes any sense to start separating along fine-grained lines like Anglo/Christian vs Germanic/Christian in the modern USA. Given the interbreeding it is laughable. But there will eventually be some kind of separation of the larger and more obvious people groups. How that works out... well that's one reason I hang around here.

Blogger Warunicorn March 07, 2018 3:19 PM  

Yorzhik wrote:There are a number of reasonable people that understand immigration changes the culture, while free trade helps the economy.

So what I'd like to know is what is the culture changing to and why is that bad?


You should check out "Adios America" by Ann Coulter. My favorite bit was the Hmong in Fresno, CA beating a German Shepard puppy to death so they could "free its spirit" to help an ailing relative (who had diabetes, if I recall). Even better was the defense by the usual suspects that we have to understand their culture for why it happened. That is just but one example in her fantastic book.

Also check out "Factory Man" by Beth Macy and read about an area of our country economically devastated thanks to "free trade." (There was a bright side; Bassett Furniture successfully sued the Chinese manufacturers.)

If don't agree that's not bad, then I can't help you.

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 3:21 PM  

@winstonwebb: If peaceful yes. But I doubt it will be peaceful. I hope I am wrong. The body count from violence and starvation, will likely be in the millions. But, want it or not, it's coming.

--ZhukovG

Blogger Nate March 07, 2018 3:23 PM  

liberal motivations and actions and positions become a great deal more predictable when you realize that they do not value purity or loyalty or authority. they only value compassion and fairness.

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 3:28 PM  

liberal motivations and actions and positions become a great deal more predictable when you realize that they do not value purity or loyalty or authority. they only value compassion and fairness.

And sexual access to children.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd March 07, 2018 3:33 PM  

rycamor wrote:The real question now is how we pick up the pieces and figure something out.

Well, here we are. All of us. Like it or not. Some of us really don't belong.

As a practical measure, I'd say that anyone who is willing to call himself an American, and willing to say that everyone not American has to go back, is an American. This will put a stop to cultural diversity, which is a great step toward assimilation for those who can assimilate. Mrs. Stone might have assimilated if her ancestors hadn't helped her keep her ties to the old country.

This doesn't necessarily mean mass deportations and dislocations. We have to build a society in which Americans feel comfortable and at home, and the outsiders either run afoul of the law or feel so uncomfortable they eventually feel the need to leave. Give people the right incentives and they will sort themselves out.

If you are comfortable and fit into that society, we don't have to rush to run you off. There will always be room for well-behaved guests. If you can't stand that society, just enforcing social norms will get you to self-deport. If we're doing it right, a lot of Yankee Utopian liberals will self-deport.

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 3:34 PM  

"The body count from violence and starvation, will likely be in the millions."

My guess is that your estimation is way low. When the electricity goes and the fuel goes --- we will lose almost all of the city people. We may be talking over 100 million.

My God.

But if some states of the union leave the union and get away with it --- there might be a chance to keep the toll in the mere millions.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2018 3:39 PM  

The Grand Inquisitor laid the smack down in California this morning.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2018 3:43 PM  

'Is assimilation in immigration an anomaly? '

no. assimilation is entirely based on the numbers. When the numbers are small assimilation occurs. When the numbers are not small... when they are large... assimilation does not occur.

That's how you end up with Chinatown in New York.

if you shut immigration down completely for say 10 years or 15 years... (which is what we used to do by the way) you give the newbs time to assimilate... then you open it back up as a trickle... and the assimilation happens much faster.

unfortunately that makes people think that immigration always leads to assimilation... so they open up the spicket... and it all goes to hell... so you have to shut it down again.

We haven't shut it down in like 70 years or something. we used to shut it down about every 30.

Blogger AaMcavoy March 07, 2018 3:44 PM  

mrsheidistone wrote:
Based on this and other statements, would you infer that all immigration is unacceptable and should be avoided or is there a marked and acceptable difference between immigration and assimilation?

My grandparents worked very hard to assimilate into western American culture although my grandfather never did speak much English.


You'll find people around this blog who say that assimilation has occurred when the new people have genetically mixed with the old such that the two are no longer distinguishable.

There used to be Angles and Saxons in England. Now the two are gone and something else, the Anglo-Saxons, are in their place. That is assimilation. If the new group is small enough, it might not create a new group with the changes it introduces.

Imagine an America where everyone has married everyone to the extent that you can't tell if this person had German or Somali or Punjab or English heritage, because they look like something new. That is assimilation.

People object and say they are culturally the same as Americans, except in their skin tone, and therefore assimilated, because they feel loyalty to America, consume American entertainment, and speak with an American accent.

This is not true. Ask any Canadian if they are 1) the same as Americans and 2) mistaken for an American when visiting America.

Finally, holding to a set of principles is not what makes one American, because lots of American citizens who sound American, dress American, etc, do not hold those principles. Name any set of American principles and I'll find "Americans" who do not hold them, but are still Americans. Name any set of "American" principles, and I'll find Americans who vehemently and completely disagree with them.

Besides, American defined as holding certain ideas means we'd need a Ministry of Inquisition, with the power to punish or exile heretics. Does that sound very American?

Blogger Conor Foran March 07, 2018 3:50 PM  

@28 The fact that we don't have a 'ministry of Inquisition', or have the power to expel heretics written into the constitution, is in large part why we have the problem we have today.

Expel at a minimum the Communists, Socialists, and Muslims, to start, and then see how much better things are in the country. How can you be an American if you hate the Constitution?

Blogger Matthew March 07, 2018 3:57 PM  

I am not trolling with this question is Trump a fake American because his mother was a Scottish immigrant and his father was the son of German immigrants?

Blogger AaMcavoy March 07, 2018 3:59 PM  

Conor Foran wrote:@28
Expel at a minimum the Communists, Socialists, and Muslims, to start, and then see how much better things are in the country. How can you be an American if you hate the Constitution?


If anyone mentions a "Civic Religion" that binds America together, but won't accept a Department of Inquisition, I suppose they're not thinking it through.

Blogger weka March 07, 2018 4:03 PM  

@24. Agree. As a Non American, I would love to send back all the USA immigrants who have come over and are trying to buy safety here, after turning the USA into a cesspool. They are lobbying the government right now, because it wants to restrict property buying to NZ citizens.

Unfortunately, the same government considers a Muslim immigrant good and Thiel bad... because they love the narrative of Trudeau. And has a berkeley green (Mary Ann Genter) with dual citizenship holding a ministerial warrant.

This will, of course, not end well.

Blogger pyrrhus March 07, 2018 4:09 PM  

I am not trolling with this question is Trump a fake American because his mother was a Scottish immigrant and his father was the son of German immigrants?

No, because the Scots(and later Scotch-Irish) are part of the freedom loving founding population of America.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) March 07, 2018 4:11 PM  

4. Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2018 1:50 PM
Free trade does not help the economy. it helps the finance sector while destroying the parts of the economy most non-Jews depend on for their livelihoods.



international trade requires, as a matter of course, the international transfer of truly massive sums of money.

in olden times, this was due in no small part to how often ships were lost at sea. thus, a trading expedition to the Dutch East Indies often required a wealthy backer just to set out. this is why Lloyd's of London became so massive, they don't just insure 'anything', they started out insuring shipping.

there are still massive expenses involved in the shipping of goods today.

gosh, i wonder, could there be an ethnicity which is grossly over represented in the Banking industry which underlies all of these 'Free Trade' activities?


9. mrsheidistone March 07, 2018 2:17 PM
My grandparents were immigrants and, due to that being an intrinsic part of my family heritage, I find elements of the anti-immigration argument somewhat confusing.



a - being willing to proclaim a philosophy which is harmful or unpleasant to oneself, in spite of the personally deleterious effects, is a demonstration of personal character.

it's also something that women struggle with, greatly.

b - we're not arguing for no immigration ever, anymore, ever again. a 50 year moratorium would be nice, though.



Blogger pyrrhus March 07, 2018 4:14 PM  

no. assimilation is entirely based on the numbers. When the numbers are small assimilation occurs. When the numbers are not small... when they are large... assimilation does not occur.

Not true. Some groups are inherently antagonistic to the American ideals of personal freedom and small government. For example, the Germans. Franklin wrote an essay about the problems posed by their non-assimilation 250 years ago, and the situation has not improved very much....The Germans, for example, took little or no part in the Revolutionary War, at least on the Revolutionary side.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2018 4:20 PM  

There were very large numbers of Germans coming here. They were settling together and forming German communities. This demonstrates my point. It is not a counter argument.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2018 4:26 PM  

"I am not trolling with this question is Trump a fake American because his mother was a Scottish immigrant and his father was the son of German immigrants?"

the honest answer is yes.. Trump is a fake american. And there is a ton of evidence to support that... for example... Trump is a New Yorker who self identifies with New York and loves New York as an example of what makes america Great.

New York is not American in anyway shape or form.

His kids married jews. His grand-kids are half jew.


He is a great man with great idea... but he's a fake american. Like Vox.

Blogger D. Bay March 07, 2018 4:45 PM  

"New York is not American in anyway shape or form."

Sure it is, dude. It's part of the continental United States. It's not exactly Guam or some other random island. It's leadership has just gone astray.

Blogger James Dixon March 07, 2018 4:46 PM  

> Ask any Canadian if they are 1) the same as Americans and 2) mistaken for an American when visiting America.

When we visit Canada the Canadians always seem to assume we're Canadians from the far north of the country. Make of that what you will.

Yes.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2018 4:50 PM  

"Sure it is, dude. It's part of the continental United States. It's not exactly Guam or some other random island. It's leadership has just gone astray."

don't be an idiot. You can ride the subway in that shithole for hours and never hear a word of english. Nothing about new york is american.

its a giant shithole populated almost entirely by streetshitters... save for small parts that populated by really rich jews.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 07, 2018 4:51 PM  

@38

Good God, man, New York has been a thorn in the side of the rest of the country since *before* Lexington and Concord.

Blogger Nate March 07, 2018 4:54 PM  

"Good God, man, New York has been a thorn in the side of the rest of the country since *before* Lexington and Concord."

LOL.

No I mean literally LOL... that doesn't happen much. Well played sir.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 07, 2018 4:57 PM  

And the Electoral College?

The SPECIFIC reason for the Electoral College was to prevent the population of New York City from screwing up the country immediately, continuously, and perpetually.
It's also the reason why the Constitution prohibits the President and the Vice President from being from the same state.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 07, 2018 5:03 PM  

"Free trade helps the economy."

Citation(s) needed.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 07, 2018 5:07 PM  

@44

Citations abound. NYT and WSJ proclaim it constantly...

What you should be demanding is EVIDENCE.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 07, 2018 5:31 PM  

@26 Nate
The Grand Inquisitor laid the smack down in California this morning.
---

It was awkward listening to an Alabama man saying the idea of secession was settled during the civil war.

Blogger Were-Puppy March 07, 2018 5:39 PM  

@40 Nate

don't be an idiot. You can ride the subway in that shithole for hours and never hear a word of english. Nothing about new york is american.
---

Aha, Nate is John Rocker!

Blogger Nate March 07, 2018 5:48 PM  

Yeah. I didn't say I agreed with it. I'd just as soon let California go

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants March 07, 2018 5:54 PM  

I like the portmanteau of "immivasion." I usually just refer to the hordes as "immivaders," "conquerors," or "our conquerors," on my social media accounts.
I know many ppl think it is hyperbolic & off-putting to use to say "ethnic cleansing," and "white genocide," but I strongly disagree. I think it shakes up the normies when you call things by their real name. Especially when you post the definitions or legislations written by the UN to them when they give you any push back, detailing examples scenarios of how each definition is currently occurring using some simple examples.
I possibly could handle this more effectively, and others may have better, more accomplished suggestions of how to approach this. I'm open to any & all ideas.

Anonymous Anonymous March 07, 2018 6:05 PM  

I think I understand what you are saying.

Moratorium on immigration sounds like a good short term solution. As in take the time to formulate a game plan for the existing situation but is that really a feasible solution? Even in the short term?

Blogger VD March 07, 2018 6:30 PM  

He is a great man with great idea... but he's a fake american. Like Vox.

Incorrect. I am a half-American. My paternal ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War. My xgreat-uncle died at Valley Forge.

And I am a full Revolutionary, since my maternal great-grandfather rode with Pancho Villa.

Blogger VD March 07, 2018 6:31 PM  

I am not trolling with this question is Trump a fake American because his mother was a Scottish immigrant and his father was the son of German immigrants?

Of course. Why do you think he's such a civic nationalist?

Blogger Daniel March 07, 2018 6:51 PM  

So fucking annoying when people say "they spend Billons going to mars ehen there apeople in africa starving" idiots

Blogger bornagainpenguin March 07, 2018 6:53 PM  

James Dixon wrote:> Ask any Canadian if they are 1) the same as Americans and 2) mistaken for an American when visiting America.

When we visit Canada the Canadians always seem to assume we're Canadians from the far north of the country. Make of that what you will.

Yes.


That's odd...I don't remember Alaska leaving the Union...

Blogger James Dixon March 07, 2018 6:55 PM  

> I'd just as soon let California go

California with New York following shortly thereafter would be my ideal scenario.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 07, 2018 7:23 PM  

Gibsmedat Mars Mission money !

Blogger Robert Pinkerton March 07, 2018 7:27 PM  

Manhattan Island has become a moist and odoriferous fecal mass in the pustulent anus of androgynous America, just as San Francisco has become the Body Politic's fellatory mouth.

Blogger Felix Bellator March 07, 2018 8:01 PM  

@58. Robert Pinkerton - Well said and disgusting, bravo!

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother March 07, 2018 8:28 PM  

Then I'm Half American as well.

Half founding stock

Half CRYPTOJOOOOOOOOO

Blogger Nate March 07, 2018 9:17 PM  

"Incorrect. I am a half-American. My paternal ancestors fought in the Revolutionary War. My xgreat-uncle died at Valley Forge.

And I am a full Revolutionary, since my maternal great-grandfather rode with Pancho Villa."

Half savage... Quarter savage?

Blogger Nate March 07, 2018 9:21 PM  

almost all of my DNA is either scott or english. there is only a smattering of the greek... despite the fact that my Grandfather came over on the boat when he was a wee lad.

Blogger NeoNietzsche: March 07, 2018 9:23 PM  

@17 "So, then, in a nutshell, assimilation is not only an anomaly it is a sober kid at a frat party. Highly unlikely."

I had a nice discussion with a woman I knew in school. She felt that assimilation would make things okay. I asked if she and her family moved to, say, Cambodia: How many YEARS did she think it would require before she or her kids (or grandkids? or great-grandkids?) "became" Cambodian? And how many more years would it take before the CAMBODIANS felt they were Cambodian? Was it just dress? Language? Skin color? Food choices? Social habits? Religion?

OH NO! She cried -- we're CHRISTIANS! I would never give that up!!

Q.E.D. Cambodia is a Buddhist (or whatever) country: You (and your kids) CANNOT assimilate to a foreign country/culture no matter how circumspect you wish to become. And NEITHER can our invaders to OUR country/culture! They must go back!

Is someone assimilated if they still call themselves Indian-American? Or Chinese-American?

Blogger NeoNietzsche: March 07, 2018 9:27 PM  

@22 "they only value compassion and fairness."

Sorry Nate, you left out two modifiers:

"they only value FAKE/visible compassion and fairness amongst all the other people below them."

Blogger NeoNietzsche: March 07, 2018 9:28 PM  

@24 "If we're doing it right, a lot of Yankee Utopian liberals will self-deport."

From your keyboard to God's Special Forces!

Blogger Jack Amok March 07, 2018 10:56 PM  

Good God, man, New York has been a thorn in the side of the rest of the country since *before* Lexington and Concord.

If we give Vox's people another 24 glass beads, can we get them to take it back?

I'd just as soon let California go

And give up the opportunity for so much repatriation practice? No way. By the time we've sent 15 million Mexicans back to Mexico, 6 million Chinamen back to China, and 1.5 million Jews back to New York, we'll be tuned up and ready to go for the rest of the country.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) March 07, 2018 11:11 PM  

Incorrect. I am a half-American.

You have to go... half back?

Blogger Jack Amok March 07, 2018 11:34 PM  

I work to about half English, a little Scottish, and the rest Irish. So I guess that makes me half American, 1/6th barbarian, and 1/3rd drunk.

Blogger peppermint88 March 07, 2018 11:40 PM  

Premodern armies were't that small. Some of the largest naval battles in terms of number of men and number of boats were fought in ancient times, and Romans fielded armies of 50,000 and 100,000. Napoleon had ten times that and Stalin as much as a hundred.

Blogger John rockwell March 08, 2018 1:32 AM  

@peppermint88

''Premodern armies were't that small. Some of the largest naval battles in terms of number of men and number of boats were fought in ancient times, and Romans fielded armies of 50,000 and 100,000. Napoleon had ten times that and Stalin as much as a hundred.''

I think he meant to say pre-industrial revolution armies.

The industrial revolution enabled armies of millions of fighting men in WWI and WWII that could not be sustained before the industrial revolution.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 08, 2018 1:49 AM  

Right. I guess I should have clarified. Armies were small relative to the entire population of Egypt. And small relative to armies from 1789 up. 50,000 is nowhere near large enough to change the population drastically. Especially considering that in Alexander's case, once he moved past Gaza, the Egyptians voluntarily submitted to him, thus there weren't enough massacres to weaken he hypothetical black appearance of the inhabitants.

With Napoleon, that's actually the cut-off I would use to determine modern and pre-modern, given the way Post-Revolution France used such massive numbers. If a Grande Armee of 500,000 Macedonians went into Egypt, the dindus would have a much more convincing case that the Greeks "whitened" Egypt up, I think.

Alexander's total for his entire military was around 50,000 at its height (Gaugemela). At the Battle of the Nile, Julius Caesar's force combined with Cleopatra's added up to around 20,000.
Since there were around 5 million Egyptians in the fourth century B.C., and 7 and a half million in the first century A.D., it's pretty clear that, were the great majority of the 7.5 million negroes, there wouldn't be near enough Greeks, and later Romans, in the country to erase Egyptians' supposed negroid traits.

Told you I was a sperg lol.
It's interesting how in the op, migration changes a population to a much greater extent than a military invasion. That is going to wreck several different Dindu "conscious histories."

Blogger Wynn Lloyd March 08, 2018 1:51 AM  

Right. That's a much better term.

Blogger Dire Badger March 08, 2018 2:28 AM  

I am 100% American. My Great something grandparents came over as slaves... albeit Irish and English slaves(And crooks). My forebears WORKED their way free, rather than getting handwaved by that rat bastard Lincoln.

Everyone has a slave, a master, a murderer, and a cannibal somewhere in their family tree... That's why you are here. Mine are just a little easier to track.

Blogger Dire Badger March 08, 2018 2:37 AM  

bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) wrote:4. Snidely Whiplash March 07, 2018 1:50 PM

Free trade does not help the economy. it helps the finance sector while destroying the parts of the economy most non-Jews depend on for their livelihoods.


b - we're not arguing for no immigration ever, anymore, ever again. a 50 year moratorium would be nice, though.




Speak for yourself, Man... I don't want another foreigner settler, foreign worker, or Californian to set foot on American soil until we start colonizing other planets, and have some place to escape.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 08, 2018 3:54 AM  

"Is someone assimilated if they still call themselves Indian-American? Or Chinese-American?"

Teddy Roosevekt already said that "hyphenated Americans" are no Americans at all... in 1902 (At that time, referring primarily to German immigrants).

Blogger VD March 08, 2018 4:47 AM  

"Is someone assimilated if they still call themselves Indian-American? Or Chinese-American?"

No.

You have to go... half back?

Return the land to my people and I'll be happy to go back there.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine March 08, 2018 6:22 AM  

"Canada's Prime Minister"

Trudy is a freakshow on legs.

"Let me simplify my question:

Is assimilation in immigration an anomaly?"


No, it's a necessity, and I don't mean that as in "that needs to happen", I mean that as in "that SHALL happen". The problem is that it's a necessity in both directions. How much each will change the other, that depends, but true assimilation of one entirely into another without changing the other is just impossible.

"The fact that we don't have a 'ministry of Inquisition', or have the power to expel heretics written into the constitution, is in large part why we have the problem we have today."

When the culture's all some degree of Christian, no one really considers what could happen if it's not anymore.

"Sure it is, dude. It's part of the continental United States. It's not exactly Guam or some other random island. It's leadership has just gone astray."

The leadership cannot go astray unless the people have first. New York is not sufficiently American.

"It was awkward listening to an Alabama man saying the idea of secession was settled during the civil war."

Should have been castrated and thrown in a bog. It's basically what he's allowed to happen to himself anyway.

"I know many ppl think it is hyperbolic & off-putting to use to say "ethnic cleansing,""

That is perfect. I need to sign up for twits-r-us.com, buy a new camera, and go for a stroll, all across the country.

Then break the a c d e g h i l n s t keys on my keyboard.

"Half CRYPTOJOOOOOOOOO"

You should see if you can get an entry for yourself in cryptozoology books.

"Half savage... Quarter savage?"

Dark Lord = entirely Savage.

"You have to go... half back?"

Wrong sport.

"My forebears WORKED their way free"

So, indentured rather than actual "slave" slaves.

Blogger Sterling Pilgrim March 08, 2018 8:29 AM  

The nations of the world have and will fight wars for their identity... America is simply a continent sized battle arena.

Blogger Avalanche March 08, 2018 11:22 AM  

""Half savage... Quarter savage?"
Dark Lord = entirely Savage."

Reminds me: where did our boa-garrot-wearing, koran-burning, gay, smart-@ss disappear to?!

Blogger Matthew March 08, 2018 11:25 AM  

So wait. By this logic isn't Vox claiming that he's changing/destroying Italy by just being there? But I know I heard him say that Italians don't consider he and his family as real Italians but they must not see tgem as existential threats, or else they wouldn't be welcome. What am I missing here? Doesn't even one immigrant nessecairly "change" the country? Is this a macro vs. micro issue, something that ought to be treated on a case by case basis?

Blogger VD March 08, 2018 12:05 PM  

So wait. By this logic isn't Vox claiming that he's changing/destroying Italy by just being there? But I know I heard him say that Italians don't consider he and his family as real Italians but they must not see tgem as existential threats, or else they wouldn't be welcome. What am I missing here? Doesn't even one immigrant nessecairly "change" the country? Is this a macro vs. micro issue, something that ought to be treated on a case by case basis?

What you're missing is that no one likes gammas who enjoy sperging, nitpicking, and trying to turn everything into a personal matter.

Absolutely nothing that I do or do not do has anything at all to do with the truth of what I have said.

Perhaps it is my secret plan to wipe out Italy from the inside. Or perhaps it isn't. Regardless, that is not your business nor is it at all relevant to the subject.

Anonymous Anonymous March 08, 2018 12:07 PM  

Azure Amaranthine wrote:it's a necessity, and I don't mean that as in "that needs to happen", I mean that as in "that SHALL happen".
If you mean "inevitability", you should say so.

Blogger Matthew March 08, 2018 1:15 PM  

"What you're missing is that no one likes gammas who enjoy sperging, nitpicking, and trying to turn everything into a personal matter.

Absolutely nothing that I do or do not do has anything at all to do with the truth of what I have said."

I sincerely didn't mean to ask an irrelevant personal question, but after rereading my comment, I see that is what I did. I apologize for it and will not make such mistakes in the future.

Blogger Dirk Manly March 08, 2018 5:43 PM  

Matthew, the truth or falsity of a statement is NOT dependent upon who says it.

Therefore, your entire original point is meaningless.

Anonymous Anonymous March 09, 2018 9:17 AM  

"The SPECIFIC reason for the Electoral College was to prevent the population of New York City from screwing up the country immediately, continuously, and perpetually."

The specific reason for the electoral college is that back in the 18th century, they hadn't invented the telegraph yet. And it took a long time to get anywhere. So the states would each pack up a delegation to send to Washington to select a president.

Countries formed after the invention of the telegraph didn't bother with an electoral college.

Blogger James Dixon March 09, 2018 11:59 AM  

> The specific reason for the electoral college is that back in the 18th century, they hadn't invented the telegraph yet.

Then why didn't they apportion the votes strictly by population? There was more to it than that.

Blogger Bootstrapper March 10, 2018 5:38 PM  

Why do (genuine) people migrate? Because they see more value in the culture of the place they're moving to, than the place they're leaving.

Any other reason makes them a colonist, not an immigrant.

Those who can integrate, and want to, are welcome. Those who can't, or won't, need to go back.

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