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Saturday, April 21, 2018

A festive evening and a false alarm

This season has been a difficult one for me so far. Four games (including two friendlies), two starts, no goals. I had a horrible game last week, which was of some concern to me because it's the first time I felt as if I was playing like a fragile old man afraid to go in and win a contested ball. One thing I've noticed with age is that it's harder to play in cold weather and that one tends to become more contact-avoidant for fear of injury. Then again, the last time we played our most recent opponent, one of our defenders snapped the leg of an attacker like a twig with a late tackle, so it could be argued that this is more late-onset wisdom than cowardice. It also doesn't help that I'm now playing at 180 instead of 190, which helps with the speed and endurance, but puts you at a distinct disadvantage when going shoulder-to-shoulder with a 200-pound defender.

Anyhow, I had a distressingly bad game last week. Even when I am overmatched in terms of speed or fitness I can usually keep at least the defensive half of my wing under control, but the left defender and I were completely out of sync and allowed two crosses that led to goals, at least one of which should have never happened. We both stood there, waiting for the other to close on the guy with the ball, and gave him the opening he needed to cross it. In fairness, I probably shouldn't have been playing at that point, as I'd already taken myself out of the game earlier after receiving a hard knee to the thigh that left me limping for three days afterward. But still, I had told the captain I was okay to go back in, so that was entirely on me.

The problem was that the bruise slowed me down just enough to inhibit me from trying to move the ball forward myself, and we had changed our stopper from an attack-minded player to a defensive-minded one, so when I received the ball on the wing, I looked to pass it in to the middle right away rather than pushing it up myself. This would normally have been all right, but with our new stopper, instead of advancing the ball he invariably passed it back to one of the other defenders. More than once, I ended up with the ball again, which meant our attacks were going precisely nowhere.

It was probably one of the worst games I've ever played, and my on-field plus-minus was uncharacteristically negative at net -1, but fortunately we were playing a weak team so we ended up winning 5-3 anyhow. The problem was that our next game was against the second-best team in the league, and one which we have always had to be on our game in order to beat. And, of course, at my age, there is always the looming possibility that one simply can't play anymore.

At practice, I played hard for more than two hours despite the bruised thigh, finished fourth in the team penalty kick competition, and that served to get my mindset back to normal, more or less. However, on game night I knew we were in trouble when two of our three best players showed up but did not suit up due to injury, and was even more alarmed when the captain started me at attacker despite last week's debacle. I like playing up front, but not when both our starting wings are more inclined to push forward and assist the attack than getting back to help out the defense. Sure enough, despite controlling the ball for most of the first 10 minutes, we went down 1-0 on their first serious attack coming from the wing. We produced little in the way of chances, except for a header on a corner that just missed and one cross that I put just inches too deep in front of our other striker. At halftime were down 2-0 on a beautiful free kick that struck the underside of the far corner and banked in. It wasn't even one of their best players taking it either; these guys are really good. Not even Buffon at his best could have saved that one.

I was out for a while, and we went down another goal, but they were starting to wear down a bit, and I went back in on the left wing, which helped us start putting pressure on both wings. I burned the defender on the side once, but my pull-back pass into the box was too fast for our captain to put in the net, although he scored a beautiful goal on the following post-corner chaos. The ball came low and hard, bounced off my shins on the far side, and ricocheted off a defender. As they pushed forward on the clearance, our captain retrieved it, turned, and shot high just as the goalie was moving up, catching him completely off-guard. 3-1.

We kept attacking, but that was all we managed and that's how it ended. It was a good game, all in all, and they deserved to win. We get along with them well despite last season's unfortunate incident, and there were two or three amusing "here, it's your ball - no, really, it's your ball" situations after someone went down and both sides called for a halt in play. It was a festive evening, as Ender's team was playing on our other field and won their game 5-2. It was fun to introduce him afterwards to one of the former pros who plays for the team that beat us, as Ender has a lot of respect for the retired pros and internationals, and they are always pleased to be recognized by the younger generation of players.

So, false alarm on the age front. The former pro and I were talking about the challenges our years pose, as we are of an age, and he figures we can both play until at least 55. My original goal was to make it to 50, but I am happy to revise that in view of his professional opinion.

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Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 9:28 AM  

a saw an article that said they had finally nailed down the age that is the begining of "old". They say it is 41.

Everyone who has ever had a 41st birthday just nodded knowingly.

The 40s are the decade where things start getting taken from you.

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 9:29 AM  

still as the man said... do not go gentle.

Blogger VD April 21, 2018 9:32 AM  

When I was in my early 20s, a man told me that in your 30s you lose your speed and your ups, in your 40s you lose your resilience, and in your 50s you lose your strength.

He said it takes one day to recuperate in your 30s and two days in your 40s. This has pretty much been my subsequent experience.

Blogger pyrrhus April 21, 2018 9:37 AM  

I'm doing jiu jitsu at 71, and I accept that I will have good days and bad days, and don't have the endurance I had even in my '40s....I still have the strength, which is a blessing.

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 9:43 AM  

I experienced very little change in my mid 30s... maybe a hair off the top end. Still faster than most 20 somethings. But I was, like you, always a very fast sprinter.

The recovery though... that's absolutely spot on. Stuff I do ever day like... carrying around bags of feed.. or just walking 10 miles or so... that's fine and requires no recovery at all. its just the daily life my body is used to... but anything like lifting hard or God forbid...a few hours of basketball or tennis... and I want to check myself into a nursing home the next day.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 21, 2018 9:44 AM  

I stopped playing years ago. In my teens, I used to plays colts, reserve grade and eighth division, all on the same weekend. The eighth division team was my favourite, it was mixture of older players, many in their fifties, and younger players. In retrospect I was very hard on them, as I was a fierce defender and getting the ball wasn't always the priority, so much as slide tackling and taking the player out, hopefully cleanly, but with the greater goal of making them hesitant to come my way again. The best thing about playing with them was that they tended to play smart, good ball control, crisp passing to make up for lack of speed and always good talk and encouragement. But if I could go back in time I would tell myself to go a little easier on the tackling. At least on the oldies anyway.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira April 21, 2018 9:51 AM  

While I can, I will continue to embarrass these young hockey players. I suppose in another 20 years I can retire to the bench for good.

Anonymous Anonymous April 21, 2018 9:59 AM  

VD and Nate,

How have you had aging affect your intellectual or business abilities?

It may sound odd, but in the 10 or 12 years I've been reading this blog, I've always thought these posts were too often overlooked. Conversing with high-caliber men through the aging process, seeing and talking about the details, has helped me prepare for every year of my own path...and make the most of it. More young men should take note.

Also, Nate can shoot from a moving motorcycle and that's bad ass, at any age.

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 10:06 AM  

"Also, Nate can shoot from a moving motorcycle and that's bad ass, at any age."

hey now... lets not go to far. I spent all day trying it and I dropped the dang bike like 15 times. My conclusion was that it is virtually impossible... I think I hit the silhouette center mass the last 3 passes once I finally figured out all the tricks.. but it was a miserable humiliating day.

Blogger exfarmkid April 21, 2018 10:14 AM  

Vox, you're what, 49 or 50? You have nothing to be ashamed of.

Blogger Paul Bischoff April 21, 2018 10:15 AM  

Vox, are you 49? I seem to remember you and I are the same age.

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 10:17 AM  

"How have you had aging affect your intellectual or business abilities?"

I would be lying if I said I am not noticing changes. for example calculations that used to just appear in my head.. don't anymore. I actually have to think a little bit about it. That's pretty scary to be honest. For example... 75 x 81... now I would see that and think... oh that's 6 thousand something. but I know 10 years ago I would've just seen 6075 in my head without really thinking about it.

My memory in some things is very good. For example the folks in my Bible classes complain that I remember everything I hear. Which is not true...but my memory is good enough that they would say something like that. On the other hand I am seriously considering putting a bluetooth tracker on my shoes because I forget where I put them so much.

So far... and to be clear I am in my mid40s... I would say primarily the changes are physical. Mentally I am mostly the same. I don't know if the calculation thing is just me being out of practice or actual degradation.


Blogger AdognamedOp April 21, 2018 10:23 AM  

Being a member of the half Century club, I enjoy these sport yarns. These days, I'm lucky if I can manage to recall a memory from my athletic days.

Blogger VD April 21, 2018 10:24 AM  

Vox, you're what, 49 or 50? You have nothing to be ashamed of.

It's not about shame. If anything, I'm proud that I can still meaningfully contribute at my age despite my technical limitations. I know that I can hold my own against good players who are 32 years younger.

It's mostly about figuring out what I need to do to be able to in order to continue contributing. Now I have to figure out how to conquer this "old man fear". Even last night, I flinched momentarily during a collision; if I hadn't, I would have ended up with the ball and a clear lane down the side. Granted, I didn't slow down and I initiated the contact, but I still focused more on protecting myself than getting the ball. That's a problem.

If you know the weakness is there, you can shore it up and conquer it. So, that's the next task.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 21, 2018 10:37 AM  

you can "shore it up and conquer it" so long as the concern does not actually reflect a physiological fragility which you need to protect.

and while that may not yet be the case, there will come a day when it is.

Joe Rogan is effusive about age related HRT. you might give thought to visiting an endocrinologist.

Blogger SouthRon April 21, 2018 10:41 AM  

I've a couple years on Vox and a few years ago thought I'd lost my mental edge. Scared the crap out of me. My focus wasn't there. My capacity for learning had disappeared. Freaked me out.

Then I had a doctor tell me I was practically celiac. Cut the junk out of my diet that affected my gut and within 6-12 months I'd dropped 30 pounds and my mental acuity had come back.

The only real changes I've noticed are slowed language acquisition, less of a tolerance for BS and not wanting to waste mental effort on trivialities. Some of that could be called maturity and wisdom.

While "the experts" say language acquisition skills drop precipitously after 26. I didn't notice a change until my large 40s and I'd more call it a slowing than a drop.

Blogger SouthRon April 21, 2018 10:55 AM  

Nate, I've experienced the same thing with math but in most cases it's because I don't feel the anal-retentive need for Vulcan-like precision that isn't often called for and just aggrevates folks. I've always done math instinctively and I just round it off for people.

Blogger owlish April 21, 2018 10:56 AM  

I wonder if the various trolls who pop up here could be convinced that your soccer posts are some sort of secret message. Oh well, no need to encourage them.

Blogger ReluctantMessiah April 21, 2018 11:00 AM  

It's a balancing act right? You want to play as long as possible, but one bad injury and you can't play anymore

Blogger Quilp April 21, 2018 11:26 AM  

Far be it from me to tell the SDL he has it right, but I think you do. Play as hard and as fast as you can, while you can.
As an older gent, let me just say...Squats. Squats, & More Squats.
I hope your season goes well. This old left midfielder envies you still playing.

Blogger Dad29 April 21, 2018 11:31 AM  

late-onset wisdom

Very common condition not restricted to athletes.

Blogger Patrick Kelly April 21, 2018 11:42 AM  

Aging brings many lessons.

Compassion.
Patience.
Gratitude.
Joy.

If you ignore these the alternatives are harsh.

Blogger pyrrhus April 21, 2018 11:48 AM  

Aging brings many lessons.

Compassion.
Patience.
Gratitude.
Joy.

Precisely so...

Blogger pyrrhus April 21, 2018 11:52 AM  

What's most remarkable about VD playing soccer at age 50 is his ability to run well enough. I lost most of my speed in my early 30s, and almost everyone loses it by age 40. Evidently continued play may slow this part of the aging process, at least in some cases.

Blogger Select star April 21, 2018 12:03 PM  

Vox's soccer updates are depressing and the closest thing to Vox moping he's ever put out there. Rod Stewart is still playing and he's like what in his 70's!? Vox get out there and score some goals and don't slow down until every boomer has breathed his last.

Blogger Dr. J April 21, 2018 12:05 PM  

In surgery, prime years are 40-55. That's the time when experience and motor memory melds best with physical and mental acuity. That's matched my experience so far.

The biggest changes I've noticed since crossing the 40 threshold is that something hurts just about every day, losing weight takes longer, but still can outpace my kiddos on the basketball court. It's shaping up to be a great decade, but it will take effort to keep up physically.

Blogger KBuff April 21, 2018 12:07 PM  

Thanks for the update, Vox. I always enjoy reading those. I'm glad I play baseball, as the loss in stamina I have experienced in my mid-50s doesn't significantly affect my ability to contribute. Confidence at the plate is an issue from time to time, but it always has been.

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 12:08 PM  

"What's most remarkable about VD playing soccer at age 50 is his ability to run well enough. I lost most of my speed in my early 30s, and almost everyone loses it by age 40. Evidently continued play may slow this part of the aging process, at least in some cases."

a D1 sprinter that loses 30% of his speed is still signifcantly faster than almost everyone he's going to bang with.

I've slowed to the point where the track kids in high school can smoke me now... but that didn't happen until I was in my late 30s. Even now I can out run most kids.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 12:11 PM  

I'm 41 now. What I notice the most is when I'm slogging through a week of trade shows, a side trip to Houston and also trying to get my lifts in as well. One night of hospitality suite shows up the next day.

I'm also starting my own business. We'll see how that goes. Good news is my dad was very active physically and mentally right up until he passed away.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 12:12 PM  

Nate, I'm fine with you out running me. I'll always out lift you.

Blogger Brad Matthews April 21, 2018 12:20 PM  

42. Like a thunderclap.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 12:23 PM  

The most important thing we middle age guys can do for ourselves is get good nutrition and sleep. Cut out the carbs and sugar now! And get 8 hours of sleep as often as you can. That alone will make a huge difference.

Cholesterol is a precursor to testosterone. Just remember that little inconvenient truth.

Blogger Brad Matthews April 21, 2018 12:29 PM  

I think it's incredible you still play. At 47, I have become risk averse to activities that significantly place me at risk of injury. Snow skiing this spring and tore my calf. Down hard for 6 weeks. Not worth it. Couldn't run or lift. I focus on what I enjoy most. Getting old is...sobering.

Blogger Brad Matthews April 21, 2018 12:30 PM  

Harumph.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 12:35 PM  

Brad Matthews,

What do you mean "Harriman" ?

Blogger RobertT April 21, 2018 12:37 PM  

Keto works

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 12:42 PM  

Harrumph. Fucking phone.

Blogger Jack Amok April 21, 2018 12:43 PM  

I know exactly what Vox means when he mentions playing like a fragile old man. Injuries just take longer to heal, and knowing that can play hell with your physical courage. But the best thing is to keep going as hard as you reasonably can. After 40 (or I guess 41), I get the impression your body starts salvaging stuff that apparently isn't needed. Don't lift heavy stuff? Well, don't need those muscles or that bone density. Don't run? Well, don't need limber knees, hips or ankles. Don't learn new things? Well, don't need the ability to form new pathways.

I just crossed the half-century mark. Back in my 40's, my knees and back were bothering me a lot, so I stopped doing any rigorous leg work. Finally fixed my back with a good chiro and a standing desk, but my knees kept hurting until one day I said to hell with it, I'm going to start doing squats again, and if I blow my knee out, fine, I'll get surgery because it hurts like hell already.

Within three months my knee pain was 100% gone.

Keep pushing yourself. Convince your mind and body they ain't retired yet.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 12:48 PM  

Jack, powerlifting is made for old guys. Stand in one spot and pick up weight.

Blogger Jack Amok April 21, 2018 12:50 PM  

Keto works, yes. If you ate anything like a standard diet through most of your first 40 years, you've been waging a decades long war on your pancreas. Give it a break and go keto.

The other thing I'll add is balance exercises. Had a doctor friend of mine tell me on the 50th birthday that I shouldn't climb a ladder any more, because guys over 50 lose their sense of balance. I was a little offended, but then tried some balance tests and, crap, he was right. So I added balance exercises to my routine, and it's gotten a lot better.

And for those of you with wives growing old with you? She needs to lift too, or her bone density will go to hell.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 12:52 PM  

I watched a human interest piece on senior citizens and bone density. Some Australian researchers had women in their 70's start powerlifting. In six months their bone density spiked, osteoporosis risk crashed, and they were in overall better health. Your bones will shrink and become weaken just like your muscles.

Blogger Jack Amok April 21, 2018 12:54 PM  

Jack, powerlifting is made for old guys. Stand in one spot and pick up weight.

Amen.

Blogger pyrrhus April 21, 2018 12:55 PM  

"Keto works." Yes! A low carb, high protein diet has definitely benefitted me immensely, and luckily it comes naturally to me.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 12:58 PM  

Brad Matthews, if I remember correctly from a profile picture I saw of you once, you've got about thirty pounds to lose. I'm eating bacon, peppers and sausage for lunch. I'm in better shape than I have been in years. Eat keto and that weight will drop off like magic.

Then hit the gym.

Blogger Jack Amok April 21, 2018 1:07 PM  

nhinsnow:

How have you had aging affect your intellectual or business abilities?

For me, it's been the same "use it or lose it" as with physical skills. I went for a while not leaning any new tech, and then when I needed to pick up a new language, it was a much harder struggle than I remembered. But just like re-introducing weight training, after putting some effort into it, things started to get easier again.

There is an emotional/motivation aspect though, that's harder to overcome. I've been in the software industry for over three decades. I've seen lots of new stuff come along, and most of it has fizzled out. I used to throw myself into new stuff eagerly, but after wasting time learning too many things that never went anywhere, I don't have the level of enthusiasm for new stuff I used to. There's a lot of wisdom in that, but I have to make sure I pay enough attention to realize when something new is working out. That takes some effort.

Blogger David The Good April 21, 2018 1:13 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:Keto works, yes. If you ate anything like a standard diet through most of your first 40 years, you've been waging a decades long war on your pancreas. Give it a break and go keto.

The other thing I'll add is balance exercises. Had a doctor friend of mine tell me on the 50th birthday that I shouldn't climb a ladder any more, because guys over 50 lose their sense of balance. I was a little offended, but then tried some balance tests and, crap, he was right. So I added balance exercises to my routine, and it's gotten a lot better.

And for those of you with wives growing old with you? She needs to lift too, or her bone density will go to hell.



Balance exercises. Interesting. I used to jump from rock to rock when walking a river bed. I've found over the last couple of years my balance just isn't what it used to be. I don't go as close to the edges of cliffs anymore, that's for sure.

Blogger Dr. J April 21, 2018 1:34 PM  

Couldn't agree more with the low carb comments. Just check calorie counts on a slice of bread versus various meats and cheeses. There's also something to be said for minimizing the single stomach garbage eating animals.

I'm not saying eliminate bacon entirely - I'm not a monster. But moderate.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 1:38 PM  

Hating bacon is a hanging offense

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 1:39 PM  

"Nate, I'm fine with you out running me. I'll always out lift you."

yeah.. but I'll always out shoot you.

Anonymous Anonymous April 21, 2018 1:40 PM  

Jack,

I'm feeling you on those points. I'll note I can burn longer now past breaking points that put out young guys, working-wise, but the motivation, the love of it, takes longer to get back. Like VD and Nate have said, recovery, for motivation too, takes longer now.

Nate,

9mm on the motorcycle? Impressive by all regards. I don't have the balls to try.

Blogger Jack Amok April 21, 2018 1:55 PM  

Lift weights
Eat Keto
Get enough sleep
Remove chronic stress
Walk
Practice balance
Learn new skills
Avoid chairs

the only thing I don't have any ideas about is vision. I had 20/10 vision when I was 19, but not any more. I'm starting to crank up the font size on screens.

Blogger Guitar Man April 21, 2018 1:56 PM  

I started BJJ last year at 38. I'm probably in better shape now than I was a year ago, but I have to remember not to go 100 percent each roll like the young 20 somethings at the gym. Grandma always told me to use it or you'll lose it.

Blogger tuberman April 21, 2018 2:09 PM  

As you get a bit older, it's good to protect tendons, ligaments, and joints more. You can use supplements,but the old way is bone broth soup, and it has caught on again today. High levels of collagen and even organic sulfur reduce recovery time. It's also keto in it's nature. The soup has moderate amounts of protein, but high levels of collagen. You do not need huge muscle mass if connective tissue allows for dense muscle.

Blogger beerme April 21, 2018 2:16 PM  

Jack Amok wrote:the only thing I don't have any ideas about is vision. I had 20/10 vision when I was 19, but not any more. I'm starting to crank up the font size on screens.

Make a "Brock string" and use it to strengthen your ability to shift focal points.

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 2:30 PM  

"9mm on the motorcycle? Impressive by all regards. I don't have the balls to try."

9mm? what am I gay? it was a 40.

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 2:34 PM  

looking back it was a miracle I didn't shoot myself. after the first time I dropped the bike I just started dropping the pistol as soon as the bike got squirrelly. drawing and reholstering were especially sketchy. so I started only loading one round after the first time I dropped the bike.

Blogger Brad Matthews April 21, 2018 2:43 PM  

That's awesome

Blogger Jack Amok April 21, 2018 2:43 PM  

Make a "Brock string" and use it to strengthen your ability to shift focal points.

Thanks, I'll give it a try.

Blogger Brad Matthews April 21, 2018 2:45 PM  

Blazing Saddles scene where all the old men were agreeing

Blogger Brad Matthews April 21, 2018 2:52 PM  

Wrong guy. Lifelong athlete and military, 165 for past 30 years, under 20% fat and if I lost 30 lbs it would be to cancer. Pretty much eat whatever I like (in moderation)

Blogger Brad Matthews April 21, 2018 2:55 PM  

Blazing Saddles scene where all the old men were agreeing

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 3:09 PM  

Same name, different guy. My bad.

Blogger Brad Matthews April 21, 2018 3:20 PM  

No problem

Blogger Nate73 April 21, 2018 3:22 PM  

Can anybody comment on research showing that salt deprivation can actually be harmful and prevent weight loss?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ygExIZm7Wo

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 3:56 PM  

going 100% without salt sounds like a bad idea to me.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 21, 2018 4:15 PM  

Salt is good for you.

Blogger S1AL April 21, 2018 4:27 PM  

The supposed negative effects of highhsalt have been proven to be almost entirely false (and the ones that remain are due to very specific disorders). The negative effects of low salt, however, appear to be very real. Cutting it out entirely is insane.

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 5:20 PM  

my father was having all kinds of skin issues... and just because he happened to like the taste he started using sea salt on food. in a matter of about a month he was no longer having the skin issues... for example his hands were developing bleeding cracks and such... all that went away.

Blogger Rory April 21, 2018 5:21 PM  

I really enjoy these football stories. Please post more of them!

Blogger Baseball Savant April 21, 2018 6:06 PM  

the salt issue is an interesting one. This is from a bodybuilding aspect, but I can consume upwards of 10g of salt per day and it doesn't bother me at all. I had to work up to it and I don't have any issues and I think it really aids is muscular contraction. Stan Efferding does a GREAT video on this on YouTube if you can find it. Even with preparing for bodybuilding competitions, you can manipulate it to pretty high levels. I'm not sure I'd do it if you had bad blood pressure issues, but I think salt gets a bad rap and is pretty important. Heck, I have a bag of it in my gym bag and It's nothing to take 2-3tsp during a workout if I'm not feeling contraction hard enough.

Blogger Baseball Savant April 21, 2018 6:07 PM  

I really enjoy these football stories. Please post more of them!

I second this and I don't even really like soccer. :)

Blogger Nate April 21, 2018 10:48 PM  

Animal Mother

you workin' up that piece for MOTW?

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 22, 2018 1:18 AM  

I'm the same way. The cardiovascular stuff really gets to me. I jogged regularly up until a few years ago, when I got sick of seeing urban blight. I have to start back as I'm Getty by fat. I was always "big" but now I'm a beyond that.

We're probably not too old to make progress, but "41 is old" is a little sobering. That's not long from now.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 22, 2018 1:39 AM  

Is it possible for someone 40+ becoming a surgeon? What about going to medical school? I'm not asking because I'm interested. I'm not interested in anymore formal education. It's just come up multiple times.

Blogger Jack Amok April 22, 2018 1:41 AM  

I was always "big" but now I'm a beyond that.

We're probably not too old to make progress, but "41 is old" is a little sobering. That's not long from now.


Keto, lift weights, stay away from the cardio. You'll be fine. Giving up potatoes ain't easy, but the rest of a keto diet is.

Do it.

Blogger Unknown April 22, 2018 7:10 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:Lift weights

Eat Keto



Any tips for a good keto protocol to follow?

Blogger Baseball Savant April 22, 2018 10:20 AM  

Is it possible for someone 40+ becoming a surgeon? What about going to medical school? I'm not asking because I'm interested. I'm not interested in anymore formal education. It's just come up multiple times.

In theory yes. In reality no. I started medical school at 29 and it practically killed me. I was married with 2 children. We had a class called intro to clinical medicine (ICM) our first two science years at the med school I went to. It was taught by two doctors and when they found out I was married with two kids they told me to get out while I still could. That I'd never make it. They were wrong in that I made it. They were right in that I should have gotten out.

The only way it could possibly work if you were 40+ is that if you had no family, absolutely L-O-V-E-D everything about it and were willing to ONLY do medicine all the time and had enough money already not to worry about it or did not care about money AT ALL and could live as minimally as humanly possible.

Blogger Baseball Savant April 22, 2018 10:30 AM  

We're probably not too old to make progress, but "41 is old" is a little sobering. That's not long from now.

Don't let the naysayers tell you that 41 is old. They are thinking the wrong way. VD is right, but you have to look at the context. I'm in my late-30s now but I'm stronger than I have ever been. I can bench press 500lbs. I can squat 700lbs. I don't deadlift anymore and I can rack pull around 750-800lbs and I'm more bodybuilder than powerlifter, but I'm 5'10/255lbs and I'm sub 10% bodyfat. I've never been stronger in in my life. And I don't really see that changing when I'm 40-41 in a year or 2. The training might change certainly but raw power I don't see. In fact, I don't think I've hit the upper limits of what my joints/tendons/ligaments can hit. I'm close, but not quite there yet.

I think the "41 is old" argument comes from these guys playing fast twitch sports or the like. I played pro baseball when I got out of college. Hitting 95mph fastballs was fairly easy for me (unless the movement was filthy, but then again nobody hits moving 95mph fastballs!), but now there is no way my reaction time is that fast. Can I still rake at 85-90mph? Sure. But 95mph? No way! Vox's foot speed at 70 years old is probably still going to be better than mine ever was at 25.

It's sort of like why corners or wideouts (unless they master the mental side of the game & subtleties) are considered old at 29-30. When that 4.3-4.4 speed turns into 4.6-4.7 speed then you are "old".

Blogger Baseball Savant April 22, 2018 10:31 AM  

Any tips for a good keto protocol to follow?

Unknown, you don't need tips. Eat when you are hungry and only meat. The rest will work itself out and you'll get a feel for it.

Blogger VD April 22, 2018 11:55 AM  

I've never been stronger in in my life. And I don't really see that changing when I'm 40-41 in a year or 2.

(laughs) It will. And it will catch you by surprise. Might be 41, might be 45. But it will happen.

Blogger Johnny April 22, 2018 1:36 PM  

If I got it right maximum energy is around 20, but overall performance may well be better at 30 owing to experience. You start losing muscle from inactivity rather than aging, and I suspect a lot of people continue to get stronger in their 20's, if they are active. Along with stamana, durablity goes down with aging and recovery takes longer.

I took up bodybuilding (sort of) at 68 for some health reasons. I can build muscle at this age but progress is really slow. A month or two for what I might get done in a week at 20. Plus I seem to plateau easily.

Mentally short term memory has taken a hit. Long term memory reduced. Eyes worse. Overlooking memory issues, mental sharpness about the same. Loss of physical durability and creeping loss of balance.

Blogger Johnny April 22, 2018 1:37 PM  

SALT

If your kidneys are in good working order and a small transitory rise in blood pressure and weight isn't a problem, lots of salt isn't a problem either. The health benefits of avoidance are minor.

Blogger Baseball Savant April 22, 2018 2:50 PM  

(laughs) It will. And it will catch you by surprise. Might be 41, might be 45. But it will happen.

You're right of course! Hey give me at least another 5 years!!!!!!! :)

Blogger Jack Amok April 22, 2018 3:20 PM  

Any tips for a good keto protocol to follow?

The following assumes you don't have any particular organ disease. If you do, find a doc who understands keto.

Cut carbs to under 25g / day for two weeks. Take an exogenous ketone supplement like KetoCaNa if you need to in order to get through the 'keto flu' statge where your body is craving carbs but hasn't yet fired up the ketone production. Cut out alcohol for this part (it's only two weeks).

Eat 0.8 grams of protein daily for every pound of lean body mass. If you are lifting regularly, or doing regular vigorous physical activity, you can do 1.0 grams. If you're doing serious heavy lifting, you can go up to 1.2 grams

Eat 1.2 grams of fat (good fats, animal fats and coconut/avocado/olive oil fats) per day per pound of lean body mass.

After two weeks, you'll be in ketosis if you haven't cheated. You'll know because you can not eat for 16 hrs without getting ravenously hungry. Slowly add carbs until you reach the point where it kicks you out of ketosis, then drop back under that number.

Blogger Jack Amok April 22, 2018 3:34 PM  

oh yeah, drink lots of water too.

Blogger TaurianVita April 23, 2018 4:57 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:oh yeah, drink lots of water too.

Thanks! Was very fit/active/healthy, but after turning 50 seem to be suffering some inflammatory symptoms (Rosacea, knee pain, general soreness) and not going to go down without a fight. So this might be something to try. Have a few friends who swear by keto.

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