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Sunday, April 15, 2018

A flood of disinformation

The US ambassador insists that the USA will not withdraw from Syria soon, contra the President's previous statements. The objectives have officially evolved.
The US will not pull its troops out of Syria until its goals are accomplished there, ambassador to UN Nikki Haley said. This comes after Washington carried out airstrikes in Syria in response for an alleged chemical attack. US currently has over 2,000 troops in Syria and a number of contractors.

While it is America's goals to see the troops come home, "we are not going to leave until we know we have accomplished those things," she told Fox News Sunday.

Haley added the United States wants to ensure that chemical weapons are not used in a way that is of risk to US interests, the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) is defeated and Iran’s actions are monitored.

US officials were previously saying that their goal in Syria is just defeating ISIS. President Donald Trump said earlier that US would withdraw from Syria “soon”  and Washington would “let the other people take care of it now,” but no deadline for any such move has been announced.
That's obviously not good. But then, if these rumors are true, the US will probably be withdrawing sooner rather than later, and there will be no more air strikes either.
It appears Russia was going to attack, and the U.S. was threatened into stopping the attack. This is probably the case. When this started, it was "going to be sustained, lasting days". Then a large number of Russian planes took off, and suddenly America stopped attacking after only about an hour....

How do you go from "we are going to attack in waves, for days" to "an hour into the battle let's call it quits"? And it is now confirmed that the Russian missile systems knocked out virtually ALL American cruise missiles, resulting in a totally failed missile attack. A few planes dropped bombs and then went home, with nothing returning. I think America quit because:
  1. Russian defenses worked perfect, and America was watching its missiles go POOF on computer screens before they reached their targets, and
  2. Russian war planes took off after the air defenses were very well proven, with confirmed destruction of practically all cruise missiles. That alone would not stop an American attack, but if any planes were carrying nukes it sure would, if it was proven Russian air defenses would escort those planes to their targets unscathed.
The big proof: the "days long attack" lasted about an hour. SOMETHING HAPPENED.
That's not proof, let alone "big proof". I haven't seen any information that any Russian planes were launched anywhere, but we were told that Britain reports two hunter-killer subs were stalking one of its submarines carrying Tomahawk missiles, and that no missiles were launched from subs. In any event, the only way to determine who is telling the truth now is by watching to see what happens next. If there are more air strikes, that will be a strong indication that the Russians are seriously exaggerating. If there are not, that will be an indication, though less conclusive , that they are telling the truth now and the US has suffered a major blow to its military credibility.

It does seem a little strange that there should be so much sabre-rattling and posturing over a grand total of three targets in Syria, though. That offers minor support to the Russian account.

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Blogger Johnny April 15, 2018 1:11 PM  

The story I heard was that we had 2,000 troops in with the Kurds, and the impression I got (??) was that the withdrawal for Syria did not include those two thousand.

Following the events, my sensors tell me that Trump didn't want to do any of this and the bluster stuff was him saying what he thinks the press and the public wanted to hear.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 15, 2018 1:18 PM  

This isn't surprising. Fools and traitors have left the doors to American military secrets and technology open for so long that I can't believe we have any advantage of technology supremacy over anyone. Especially Russia.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 15, 2018 1:20 PM  

1) Nikki Haley is not actually included in any discussions. I can't even imagine letting her anywhere near serious policy.
2) Some guy that uses his IP address instead of a domain is very obviously a credible source.

OpenID simplytimothy April 15, 2018 1:31 PM  

The Empire ends with a poof.

Blogger jb April 15, 2018 1:32 PM  

I stand by what I said last night/very early this am in #111ff. in Show Some Faith.

Blogger Verne April 15, 2018 1:41 PM  

The semi official word is that all the tomahawks were mostly diversionary. That the targets were taken out by the B1 bomber launched JASSMs which had no problem getting to the targets. The fact that it took the newest and best stealth cruse missiles and 59 tomahawks used as a diversion to overwhelm the targeting radars. The Russians have some bad assed gear and we obviously respect it. But can beat it, if we throw everything at it. To keep doing it we would need to kill Russians. Which means we would suffer loses, they will shoot back

OpenID genkong April 15, 2018 1:41 PM  

I recall someone (Russia Insider?) having a report of Russian bombers being allowed in number onto Iranian airbases - within easy range of Syria. In any case, why would anything take remarks from Tandoori-Shack waitress seriously?

Blogger Jack Amok April 15, 2018 1:50 PM  

Everywhere I look on the web, I see people claiming the meager and contradictory evidence proves their point, whether that point is that the Russians kicked our ass or that we kicked theirs, whether this was a serious strike or kabuki theater, etc. etc.

There's so much chaos (some intentional, some unavoidable) around the information available, we don't really know what happened or why. We can guess, but it's just guessing.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 15, 2018 1:50 PM  

This war is fought with information. Missiles are the exception.

OpenID ages345 April 15, 2018 1:52 PM  

Statement from the three Christian Patriarchs based in Damascus (Greek Orthodox, Syrian Orthodox, and Melkite Catholic):

God is with us; Understand all ye nations and submit yourselves!

We, the Patriarchs: John X, Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch and all the East, Ignatius Aphrem II, Syrian Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch and all the East, and Joseph Absi, Melkite-Greek Catholic Patriarch of Antioch, Alexandria, and Jerusalem, condemn and denounce the brutal aggression that took place this morning against our precious country Syria by the USA, France and the UK, under the allegations that the Syrian government has used chemical weapons. We raise our voices to affirm the following:

1. This brutal aggression is a clear violation of the international laws and the UN Charter, because it is an unjustified assault on a sovereign country, member of the UN.

2. It causes us great pain that this assault comes from powerful countries to which Syria did not cause any harm in any way.

3. The allegations of the USA and other countries that the Syrian army is using chemical weapons and that Syria is a country that owns and uses this kind of weapon, is a claim that is unjustified and unsupported by sufficient and clear evidence.

4. The timing of this unjustified aggression against Syria, when the independent International Commission for Inquiry was about to start its work in Syria, undermines of the work of this commission.

5. This brutal aggression destroys the chances for a peaceful political solution and leads to escalation and more complications.

6. This unjust aggression encourages the terrorist organizations and gives them momentum to continue in their terrorism.

7. We call upon the Security Council of the United Nations to play its natural role in bringing peace rather than contribute to escalation of wars.

8. We call upon all churches in the countries that participated in the aggression, to fulfill their Christian duties, according to the teachings of the Gospel, and condemn this aggression and to call their governments to commit to the protection of international peace.

9. We salute the courage, heroism and sacrifices of the Syrian Arab Army which courageously protects Syria and provide security for its people. We pray for the souls of the martyrs and the recovery of the wounded. We are confident that the army will not bow before the external or internal terrorist aggressions; they will continue to fight courageously against terrorism until every inch of the Syrian land is cleansed from terrorism. We, likewise, commend the brave stand of countries which are friendly to the Syria and its people.

We offer our prayers for the safety, victory, and deliverance of Syria from all kinds of wars and terrorism. We also pray for peace in Syria and throughout the world, and call for strengthening the efforts of the national reconciliation for the sake of protecting the country and preserving the dignity of all Syrians.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 15, 2018 2:04 PM  

The Patriarchs open fire.

Blogger Nate April 15, 2018 2:16 PM  

1) i don't believe anything Nikki Haley says ever. This is a long standing personal policy of mine. I didn't bother to amend it when Trump appointed her and i do not regret that decision.

2) we don't know anything. But I seriously doubt all the US cruise missiles were shot down. if something like that happened... Russia would be making sure everyone knew it.

OpenID zhukovg April 15, 2018 2:18 PM  

I believe this is a case where nobody kicked anybodies ass.

--There was a false flag chemical attack. Trump knew it was, but also knows most Americans(and the rest of the world) are idiots.

--Trump decided one false attack deserves another.

--He called up Putin and by extension Assad and made arrangements days in advance while spending a few minutes a day engaging in Tweeting (for which he is justly famous).

--Assad moves anything fragile out of the way, assuming these building were really anything more than bombed out ruins to begin with.

--Expensive fireworks display ensues. Russian radar techs get some excellent live fire training.

--Profit.

--ZhukovG

Blogger Ceasar April 15, 2018 2:21 PM  

The real targets were select Hezbollah and Iranian weapon/command sites. All in preparation of putting the screws to Iran in the new deal negotiation. Remove as many of Iran's asset's so they can't distract/reprise when the hammer drops on them. Who cares about Syria in the long run.

OpenID genkong April 15, 2018 2:26 PM  

Nate:
But I seriously doubt all the US cruise missiles were shot down. if something like that happened... Russia would be making sure everyone knew it.

Not even the Syrians are claiming that all the cruise missiles were shot down. They're claiming 2/3, which even Saker (no fan of Trump) thinks is exaggerated. There're also some chatter about the missiles fired being ones at the end of their useful age - lacking the latest tech upgrades, etc.

Blogger jb April 15, 2018 2:27 PM  

I understand the Patriarchs' concern - they have seen the deep state's perpetual wars destroy and kill many of the Orthodox in the ME. But they are out of their league trying to divine the reasons for what happened Friday night. It was hardly as apacalyptic as they make it seem. And when it becomes clear why it happened and they see the very beneficial results, I hope they are as forthcoming with the deserved praise.

The sound of knees crashing through chins the world over the last few days is amazing!

And annoying.

I mentioned last night - read, think, evaluate, re-evaluate as necessary. Considering Vox's opening to this piece - ponder this -

Why would the VSG pick Nikki Haley, a self-admitted #NT'er during the primaries, to be his own Ambassador to the UN? Hmmm?

OpenID ar10308 April 15, 2018 2:35 PM  

After speaking to someone in US Missile Defense about this, only 1 missile is required to consider the mission a success. Additionally, Russia wouldn't launch plane if there were any missile defense capabilities remaining because defense if a Defense Missile loses it's target, it will lock on to whatever it can, while at upper mach speeds. Which would include friendly planes.

Basically, the US fired a bunch of missiles to overwhelm Syrian missile defense, Syrian missile defense shot their entire wad and then the US used bombers to hit most of the targets from complete safety.

It basically confirms that Russia doesn't have the money/resources to continue a sustained conflict.

Blogger lannes April 15, 2018 2:42 PM  

No way to know who's jammin who in that sh**hole country.

Blogger Patrick Kelly April 15, 2018 2:44 PM  

"We call upon all churches in the countries that participated in the aggression, to fulfill their Christian duties, according to the teachings of the Gospel, and condemn this aggression and to call their governments to commit to the protection of international peace."

fWIW: I attend an Antiochian parish. So far have not heard anything from our priests or bishops here in the US regarding this.

"....I hope they are as forthcoming with the deserved praise."

Assad and the Russians are the only ones who have demonstrated much care or concern for Orthodox Christians in Syria lately, and the only ones standing between them and those who have attempted to kill or dislocate them. Nato and the US certainly have not expressed much help for them in words or action. If and when they do maybe they will merit some "deserved praise".

Once again the US is participating in the destruction of what was a relatively stable, prosperous, secular nation like they did with Iraq, which coincidentally results in catastrophic reduction in the local Christian populations.

Blogger Wolfman at Large April 15, 2018 2:46 PM  

I still think Trump pulled some kind of magician's trick but until we get a clear answer as to what was actually bombed I'll just have to stay angry and jaded like everyone else.

OpenID genkong April 15, 2018 2:53 PM  

... and today's Golden Razor of Occam award goes to zhukovg. That's entirely plausible in light of what we presently (more or less) know. I understand Raytheon did very nicely from the 100 or so missiles launched for the show.

@14. Caesar.
This would mesh with the theory offered up by the various Q-haikus - that Iran and NK were both actually deep-state operations and controlled by them. Rocket man's odd abrupt behavior lends some support to the notion. Goolag's Eric Schmidt was supposedly running the operation there. As usual with the appearance of such haikus, there's not much hard evidence and always dense clouds of hopium, rancid ganjaweed and assorted flat-earth posts to go along with the show.

Blogger Nathan April 15, 2018 3:05 PM  

"If there are more air strikes, that will be a strong indication that the Russians are seriously exaggerating. If there are not, that will be an indication, though less conclusive , that they are telling the truth now and the US has suffered a major blow to its military credibility."

Not sure about this assessment. Despite the popular acceptance that the Syrian chemical attacks were a false flag, there's little rational evidence to support the claim. Why would the White Helmets, if they are indeed a front for terrorist organizations, be used to execute a false flag operation? Why use your publicity/good will white hat team to carry out your black hat operation? Additionally, why cary out a false flag that, if it fails, would be a default victory condition for your enemy? Assad needs to demonstrate that he can act with impunity in his own country to show his enemies that further resistance is pointless. He needs to end the war with a gas attack or some other show of force followed by a lack of US or other retaliation. What does this have to do with Russian missile defense? Well, consider that Assad is writing checks at the bank of Putin, both with chemical weapons and with failing to wrap this whole civil war up in a timely manner, even with Russian assistance. We know there was talk of "deconfliction" prior to the attack, and other negotiations in the week prior. Most likely, Putin consented to the air strikes as a warning to Assad that Russian patience won't last forever, he isn't willing to start WW3 over the Fredo Corleone of the Middle East, and that Assad will have to negotiate a solution with all interested parties. The bluster about shooting down the US Mmissiles is therefore 1) face saving and counter-signaling to cover Russia's consent with attacks 2) a sales pitch for Russian made air defense systems that would otherwise look ineffective if Russia did not consent to the attack. The US has made its demonstration, Russia has made its point, and a lack of further air strikes will not necessarily indicate the effectiveness of Russia or Syria's air defenses one way or another.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 15, 2018 3:06 PM  

I'm sure this statement by the Antiochan Patriarchs to educate dumbass American Christians that Christianity started and continues to exist in the Middle East.

Blogger JohnG April 15, 2018 3:06 PM  

I can't see hitting three buildings with over 30 Tomahawks. Pictures of the buildings show them fairly well destroyed, but I'm thinking at 1000 lbs of high explosive per missile, you don't have wrecked buildings, you should have craters.

Blogger saintCrispee April 15, 2018 3:08 PM  

Whether or not there are any new attacks will likely depend upon the pace and intrusiveness of the Russian investigation and the prosecution of Cohen.

Blogger Lazarus April 15, 2018 3:09 PM  

Jim Stone's tenuous foothold on reality would not be in so much jeopardy if he would stop waving his hands so much.

I don't recall any statements about sustained attacks in waves, but I do recall Mad Dog mentioning possible limited targets, which I thought was an odd telegraphing, until the US ambassador to Russia got on RT and said:

Before we took the action, the United States communicated with the Russian Federation to reduce the danger of any Russian or civilian casualties,.

Basically, they told them what the targets were so they could clear out.

Trump is not interested in a war with Russia.

Blogger jb April 15, 2018 3:09 PM  

Aye, Patrick,me boy - a guud Irrishman who could swim the Bosporus.

You are correct about the defense of Orthodoxy on Putin's part. I know an Orthodox priest who darn near became my own priest, and - pastoral mentor. He has been to Syria many times. He is rather blunt about the deep state's false picture of Assad, and, of course, the false depiction of Assad by the perpetually hyper-ventilating media. However . . .

Donald was not participating in the "destruction" of what was a stable Syria, where three religions peacefully co-existed under Assad until the "dueling pipelines" damn near destroyed everything! Interesting how, after Donald made clear he was going to hit certain targets, both Assad and Putin moved their men and stuff, eh?

Wolfman - Donald did exactly that - althpugh it was sound reasoning, if one thinks it through, not magic. No reason to remain jaded, but rather cautiously (if you must) optimistic.

Blogger Lazarus April 15, 2018 3:15 PM  

@15 genkong

There're also some chatter about the missiles fired being ones at the end of their useful age - lacking the latest tech upgrades, etc.

And also that they had no payload, so the diversion theory sounds even more possible

Blogger Rickey Johnson April 15, 2018 3:16 PM  

Non starter: air defenses shooting down cruise missiles but some planes were able to get through and drop some bombs and escape??

Blogger Salt April 15, 2018 3:27 PM  

And also that they had no payload, so the diversion theory sounds even more possible

Might Trump (the military) have been watching for Russian capabilities?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 15, 2018 3:36 PM  

Frank Brady wrote:The one thing that Putin cannot and must not do is nothing. Because the attack on Syria was based on a lie, #Washington's lunatic war criminals have shown the world that they feel free to attack Russia's national interest at any time & for any reason. They must be stopped or world war is a virtual certainty.
And yet, there is no response.
Perhaps you don't fully understand the situation.

Oh, wait, I forgot, You're Frank Brady, you understand the situation better than the people actually involved.

Blogger Johnny April 15, 2018 4:07 PM  

There're also some chatter about the missiles fired being ones at the end of their useful age - lacking the latest tech upgrades, etc.

I would think using up the older ordinance would be ordinary policy.

Blogger FidelNaidoo April 15, 2018 4:42 PM  

As a former staunch Trump supporter, I now think of him as an orange orangutang. EVERYONE knows Asaard did not chemical weapon his people. Trump, the puppet knows, but still acted. No, he is not playing 64d chess. No, he is not 17 moves against his opponents. He is just another tool, and we are all f**ked.

Blogger Lazarus April 15, 2018 4:43 PM  

Jerome Corsi, author of Killing the Deep State may assuage your fears about Trump.

Dr.Jerome Corsi explains things for you

Blogger Meimou April 15, 2018 4:45 PM  

zhukovg
There was a false flag chemical attack. Trump knew it was, but also knows most Americans(and the rest of the world) are idiots.

When i read the threads at right wing sites 95% of comments called out the false flag; BB, infowars, daliy caller ect. The littlest chicken hawk got eviscerated in his comment section for pushing the official narrative. It has a 1:1 like/dislike ratio.:) His own fans are calling him a zionist shill.

The Situation In Syria | The Ben Shapiro Show Ep. 513
https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1031s&v=lWx7C47a1KU

The few comments that support the OS seem to be bot/shills. We need to celebrate this as a small victory! INGSOC isn't nearly as strong as it was 10 years ago, there are people who dislike 911 truthers who are calling this a false flag.

Blogger Thucydides April 15, 2018 4:55 PM  

Or maybe this happened: https://theaviationist.com/?p=53071

President Trump made a symbolic strike to appease the people at home. The fact that Russians, Iranians and Syrians left the vicinity before the strikes actually works to President Trump's favour, since these forces were forced to leave because of America's actions, and in the cultures of the Middle East, that sort of behaviour is equated as weakness, regardless of cause. So President Trump has really weakened any sort of bargaining positions the Russians, Iranians or Syrians have, through his actions.

I'm pretty sure the activities of the military and other behind the scenes dealings are all to extricate the US armed forces from the region, but to do so in a manner which has positive long term effects for America. A weakened Russian and Iran locked in a "frozen conflict" among the remains of Syria and Iraq may be the best possible outcome at this time, nothing like enemies fruitlessly expending blood and treasure while America is free to pursue its own interests domestically.

Blogger FidelNaidoo April 15, 2018 4:57 PM  

I should not even be interested in this. I am a white South African, in South Africa. I am a Suidlander. That means, I have a car-trailer packed with food and neccesities, and plastic boxes with all else we need, and a radio on our emergency channel. When the call comes, we react, and drive in convoys to pre-selected deep valleys in high mountains with 1 road in and out. Easily defended. We will sow, we will harvest, we will train our militia, we will be strong, as has been the history of our people. And when the rest of the country has starved to death. We will emerge. And take back our houses, and say. Never will savages govern here again !!

Blogger FidelNaidoo April 15, 2018 5:11 PM  

Trump was our hope for change, and accountable government..but,
Trump's mother's poes !!

Blogger Jack Ward April 15, 2018 5:13 PM  

One week ago:
Hi, Vladimir, it's the Donald. Look, lets keep this short. I got some pushin I need to do and Syria is the place. The details of where, when, and how will get to you. Make sure no one is there; clear out anything of value. You get to watch our missiles do their thing and make notes. How bout it?
Donald, good to hear from you. Yeah, I see the mill stone ya got round your neck. Go ahead and shoot em. We bluster a lot and make some book on it all and sit back, sip some good vodka in my case, some juice in yours and have a good laugh. Off camera of course. And, how in the name of Mother Russia did you get so far without drinking strong stuff?
Now, Valdimir, sippin licker makes your mind weak in the worst possible times. Yes, its a mill stone. Got to get this country straight before those idiots cause the world to blow apart. Now, you don't go using nukes without talking to me first. We can always work something out, you know.
'Yeah, I know Donald' Will do; or, not do so to speak. Have a good day and my boys will enjoy the free fireworks in a few days.
'Keep cool, Vladimir' You need to throw some ordinance at us sometime we can work something out. Later...'

Thus, diplomacy at the highest levels. Good Lord watch over us. Please.

Blogger Robert Browning April 15, 2018 5:13 PM  

Ship of Interest: @USTreasury OFAC/SDN listed Oboronlogistika’s Russia flag, Murmansk registered cargo vessel Pizhma transits Bosphorus en route to #Tartus #Syria. Last summer, Pizhma was outfitted to carry nuclear waste & did @mod_russia deliveries
in Arctic & Kuril islands

https://twitter.com/YorukIsik/status/985276855241584641

Blogger FidelNaidoo April 15, 2018 5:23 PM  

Jack Ward : very entertaining spiegel, and nicely written ( I lol'd ). I wish it was true. But Trump has done in real lives. What does that make him?

Blogger gunner451 April 15, 2018 5:34 PM  

Lets review what we know as fact, the US and Russia both say that 100+ cruise missiles were fired from outside Syrian airspace and one would assume safely away from Syria's medium and short range anti-aircraft systems. Both say that some buildings in a technology business park as well as some isolated storage facilities were hit.

Where they differ is that Syria claims that multiple military airports were also targeted but that they successfully hit most of the missiles heading to those locations. The US claims that all the missiles were only targeted to the above three sites and no missiles were shot down.

Given that there is video on youtube that clearly shows Syrian AA missiles hitting something in places were the US is claiming that they were not firing at I would have to say that the US was indeed aiming to take out some of the Syrian air bases. Given they tried to do this last time this would make sense. Also since the Russians have been beefing up Syria's medium to short range AA capabilities and that they are deployed around those airbases it makes sense that they could easily shoot down slow moving cruise missiles. The reason the three targets every one agrees were fired at were hit is simply because they did not have any AA near enough to protect them.

It seems that the US is trying to save some face here by claiming that they were only targeting the above three locations but even so the results look a bit pitiful even given how many missiles probably hit them.

Claims about Russians firing AA missiles or jamming have too many unknowns to say one way or the other.

Blogger John Calla April 15, 2018 5:35 PM  

The US to impose more sanctions on Russia on Monday. What is this, round 5? There is such a thing as going too far. The West is trying to completely isolate and collapse Russia like they did NK. It's pretty obvious now that this is an actual objective. Did anybody vote for this belligerent anti-Christian policy?

http://theduran.com/us-to-impose-more-sanctions-on-russia-for-supporting-assad/

Does Nikki Haley have the most punchable face on the planet or is it just me? Is there some US law that says that we need to have the most obnoxiously annoying twats representing us on the world stage?

China, for its part, has condemned the US strikes as a violation of international law and implies the "gas attack" was a false flag cooked up by the US:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-15/china-arrogant-us-has-record-launching-wars-deceptive-grounds


Blogger Jack Ward April 15, 2018 6:03 PM  

@41 Fidel
I know. Lives lost are the cost of 'diplomacy, these days. Compare, if you wish, the Clinton/far left blood debt with the GE. Not even close. And, that does not include abortions and the Arkansas legacy. It's hard to dig a post hole in Arkansas without hitting left over bones from the Clinton era.

Blogger Jack Ward April 15, 2018 6:09 PM  

@37 Fidel:

Right on! Be sure and get with some of the old timers from the Rhodesian Scouts. Those dudes were tough. May want to join you, just for fun, you see.

Blogger FidelNaidoo April 15, 2018 6:10 PM  

John, I would love to sucker-punch her. Hey it may save the life of some miserable Syrian, or it may save the life of some Austrian banker, on his way to bail out Middle east ( again ), who doesn't get stabbed by a Syrian.
Who knows how things work, especieally after this weekend and Trump.

Blogger FidelNaidoo April 15, 2018 6:17 PM  

@45 Jack..... Those Selous Scouts were the be-all, and end-all, second to our Reconnaisanse Commando. I'm a fit guy in my fifties, so I was in our border war in the eighties. I was not in any special forces, just regular bush war trained, but we had our moments.

Blogger John Calla April 15, 2018 7:13 PM  

French President Emmanuel Macron said on Sunday that he had convinced Trump, who has previously said he wanted to take U.S. forces out of Syria, to stay for "the long term."

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/western-powers-study-options-syria-chemical-weapons-used-102859907.html

(This is a clear violation of the War Powers Act of course.)

Meanwhile, Yet Another Never Trumper comes on board after Trump relents: https://www.axios.com/trump-pence-block-national-security-lerner-haley-1256a68a-718e-42e2-a4d5-e52b7d86b402.html

Blogger FidelNaidoo April 15, 2018 7:24 PM  

I was Trump, Trump, Trump..... Now I am finished with him. I have no vote, but, hey, support is support.

Blogger Were-Puppy April 15, 2018 7:25 PM  

@43 John Calla

Does Nikki Haley have the most punchable face on the planet or is it just me?
---

Not just you.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 15, 2018 8:57 PM  

FidelNaidoo wrote:I am a white South African, in South Africa. I am a Suidlander. That means, I have a car-trailer packed with food and neccesities, and plastic boxes with all else we need, and a radio on our emergency channel. When the call comes, we react, and drive in convoys to pre-selected deep valleys in high mountains with 1 road in and out. Easily defended. We will sow, we will harvest, we will train our militia, we will be strong, as has been the history of our people. And when the rest of the country has starved to death. We will emerge. And take back our houses, and say. Never will savages govern here again !!

May God bless and keep you.

Blogger Lovekraft April 15, 2018 9:10 PM  

@51: Not that it will get anywhere, but I've been hammering Drudge every day on their 'suggest a story' form to cover the genocide of whites in SA.

Blogger Hunsdon April 15, 2018 9:11 PM  

Jack Ward:

Putin only drinks at formal occasions.

SnidelyWhiplash and ZhukovG are the two mainstays here whose opinions are most closely in accord with my own conclusions.

Blogger Jack Amok April 15, 2018 11:00 PM  

I was Trump, Trump, Trump..... Now I am finished with him. I have no vote, but, hey, support is support.

Dude, please. We have a lot of problems here in the US, but we haven't - at least not yet - fucked up as bad as you did in SA. We have a lot of pain coming our way, but your culture is dead man walking.

I sympathize with your plight, but if you insist on letting the hopelessness of your own situation lead you to spread defeatist propaganda here, you're going to get called on it.

Blogger Jack Ward April 16, 2018 12:08 AM  

Fidel @47
Well, best of luck with taking back SA. I'm ashamed that our liberal idiots had so much to do with the destruction of the old South Africa. Now, that does not mean that dreadful mistakes were not made by the South Africans reference to race relations. Plenty of blame to go around. But, for the present SA leadership to mark a path following the Zimbabwe model is pure evil and deserves it's fate. Complain all you like about white folk, as has become the shrill cry here in USA, but whites do know how to do war.

Blogger Ceerilan April 16, 2018 12:47 AM  

After centuries of atheists attacks on Christianity, the Western nation's no longer listen to their own religious authorities, let alone those of foreign countries.

OpenID paulmurray April 16, 2018 1:13 AM  

> The US will not pull its troops out of Syria until its goals are accomplished there

What goals? What goals? What is the mission? What, exactly, is the US trying to accompish? Peace? Stability? Never going to happen. Wiping out ISIS? Bullshit - the USA has opposed every Syrian/Russian initiative to do that.

The goals of the USA is to stop Russia from gaining "too much" influence (aka, any influence at all) in its own goddamn back yard by creating decades of turmoil and death at the cost of trillions of dollars.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 4:12 AM  

@3

"1) Nikki Haley is not actually included in any discussions. I can't even imagine letting her anywhere near serious policy."

That's why she's the U.N. Ambassador.

The U.N. Ambassador never does anything important.

If anything IMPORTANT comes up at the U.N., a member of the administration does the talking, or the President himself.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 4:18 AM  

@16

"Why would the VSG pick Nikki Haley, a self-admitted #NT'er during the primaries, to be his own Ambassador to the UN? Hmmm?"

To de-fang her.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 4:22 AM  

@17

"Basically, the US fired a bunch of missiles to overwhelm Syrian missile defense, Syrian missile defense shot their entire wad and then the US used bombers to hit most of the targets from complete safety.

It basically confirms that Russia doesn't have the money/resources to continue a sustained conflict."

Crucial question in all of this -- what are standard reload times?

That right there tells you how long your operating window lasts to get the good through to their targets.

Looks like both the U.S. and Russia learned something about the other's weapon systems' capabilities -- Russia about our ability to use cruise missiles and their capabilities, and we learned about export-versions of Russian AD to counter our cruise missiles.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 4:25 AM  

@20

|I still think Trump pulled some kind of magician's trick but until we get a clear answer as to what was actually bombed I'll just have to stay angry and jaded like everyone else."

Until you have a clear answer, you should be, and remain, unemotional.

Why be angry with ZERO relevant facts?

That's like being angry that ANTIFA had a get-together, without knowing how many were arrested and/or effectively knee-capped by counter-forces.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 4:35 AM  

@22

"Why would the White Helmets, if they are indeed a front for terrorist organizations, be used to execute a false flag operation? Why use your publicity/good will white hat team to carry out your black hat operation?"

Because there were 20 seconds left on the clock in Syria, and the Russia/Assad alliance is up by 7, and the ball is on the ISIS/CIA/MI6's 5 yard line. If you have a trick play available, you generally run it when you have nothing else that can save your situation, and which can decisively change the situation, EVEN IF IT'S a 1:1000 longshot. Because every conventional play is a 0:1000 guaranteed failure.

Simply put, White Helmets can be shut down, and reconstituted, with the exact same people, under another name, in less than a week. The name itself is disposable. The point, White Helmets ARE the MI6 people on the ground in Syria (or at least a group of them), so, they were the Brit's "go to" organization to pull off this stunt.

It didn't work. The quarterback -- the ball was handed off to the running back, who threw a long bomb....and incomplete. Now there's 10 seconds left on the clock, and they're still on the 5 yard line. And it's 3rd down.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 4:38 AM  

@14

"Who cares about Syria in the long run."

Syria is the first, the original Christian state.
And the Assads are Christian.

I wouldn't be surprised if, during the Cold War, when Syria was a Soviet Client, and an EXTREMELY active port for the Soviet Navy, that Syria helped keep Christianity alive in Russia.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 4:43 AM  

@22

"Despite the popular acceptance that the Syrian chemical attacks were a false flag, there's little rational evidence to support the claim."

Other than the fact that EVERY previous chemical weapons attack against "the rebels" has been a false flag....and the fact that this time, there's not even evidence that a chemical attack even took place -- you know, like nerve agent residue, or areas of severe bleaching of objects, building walls, etc., caused by clouds of chlorine so thick that they are actually yellow-green as they are emitted by the chemical munition rounds.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 4:44 AM  

@22

"He needs to end the war with a gas attack or some other show of force followed by a lack of US or other retaliation."

Mass Arrests of the leaders (and their families) followed by public executions are far more effective, and create fewer martyrs to be avenged in the future.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 4:48 AM  

@22

" Putin consented to the air strikes as a warning to Assad that Russian patience won't last forever, he isn't willing to start WW3 over the Fredo Corleone of the Middle East, and that Assad will have to negotiate a solution with all interested parties."

You obviously have NO CLUE of how important Syria is to the Russian Navy.

Russia has *NO* warm-water (i.e. usable 12-months/year without icebreakers) ports other than on the Pacific Coast. Syria *IS* their warm-water port in the West.

This has been an important REQUIREMENT for the Russian Navy since the days when John Paul Jones was Russia's first Admiral and CREATING the Russian Navy.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus April 16, 2018 4:50 AM  

A minor yet salient point to offer here. TLAMs and JASSMs aren't the only cruise missiles in the US inventory. We also own, and sell abroad in restricted quantities, MALD's of various flavors. MALDs are quite small cruise missiles that are intended to decoy and now jam or otherwise spoof enemy air defenses. I am confident the F-15Es utilized in this series of raids launched majority of the MALDs. MALDs invariably self-destruct undoubtedly leading to claims of destruction by defenses which are untrue. I doubt this series that more than a handful, if, of our TLAMs and JASSMs failed to reach their targets and inherent defects or object strikes are the most likely cause of those losses. Earth naping missiles are insanely difficult to detect until too late let alone bring down.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 4:56 AM  

@29

"Non starter: air defenses shooting down cruise missiles but some planes were able to get through and drop some bombs and escape??"

It's simple real-time logistics.

You flood the target zone with cheap flying things -- enough that the enemy air defense systems missile sites run out of missiles. Then, RIGHT BEHIND those cheap flying things that just got shot down is your actual munitions delivery package.
They wait until no more missiles are coming up to engage (indicating that the OPFOR is out of SHORAD missiles), then,
and ONLY then, do the bombers release the missiles that actually count --- and IMMEDIATELY turn around and go home...getting out of SHORAD range before the crews load new missiles into the system.

It's precisely for this reason why the US Navy Phalanx system shoots projectiles, not missiles. Phalanx is belt-fed, and the belt-feed passageway goes DIRECTLY down to a magazine where all the ammo is kept....each gun having it's own single very, very long belt of ammo.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus April 16, 2018 5:08 AM  

68. Dirk

Respectfully, CIWS are fed from a local drum, typically a bit over 1100 rounds. It's a 3-vampire shot. The munition limitations of US CIWS is a reason given in favor of lasers.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 5:25 AM  

@53

"Jack Ward:

Putin only drinks at formal occasions.

SnidelyWhiplash and ZhukovG are the two mainstays here whose opinions are most closely in accord with my own conclusions."


For a Russian, an exercise in Potomkin War Kubuki Theater with U.S. missile launches to prevent actual war *IS* a formal occassion. It's all pre-arranged, has a script, with expected formalities.

Blogger wreckage April 16, 2018 6:31 AM  

We're certainly in the disinformation stage of the war.

The thing is that Russians always lie. They trust no-one, even each other. So, pretty much any non-Russian source gets a few more trust points from me.

What I hear is the Russians have some pretty good tech, but their "system of systems" and sustained economic support are both garbage. This is as we would suspect; Russia has always produced many capable men, but only mediocre social and political structures.

regarding Orthodoxy, I don't know of any particular declarations, but the following from Orthodoxy Today makes the overall position pretty clear:

http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/blog/2013/08/destroying-christianity-in-syria-the-west-supports-the-wrong-side/

Blogger Nathan April 16, 2018 7:21 AM  

Assad doesn't keep the Mediterranean ice free by sheer force of will. He isn't a necessary part of the equation.

Blogger Nathan April 16, 2018 7:40 AM  

Maybe, but I doubt it. If you're branding something, the name is the only thing that isn't disposable. It still makes no sense to put a clandestine effort in the hands of a publicity team, whose faces appear in movies and news pictures constantly.

On the other hand, you always have to consider incompetence.

Blogger Avalanche April 16, 2018 9:32 AM  

@41 "But Trump has done in real lives. What does that make him?"

Effective.

Fidoo, I wish you and yours all success and safety -- I acknowledge there is no chance for your people to fight and win; so withdraw and wait is 100% the correct choice (just, dear GOD! Do it in time!! Don't wait too long!)

OUR problems -- and hoped for solutions -- are vastly different from yours. We will not disparage yours and would help if we could. Please do not disparage ours! If you remnants had NOT waited too long, been too "kind," had started fighting long ago -- you would not be watching your own people destroyed around you.

(Do you REALLY believe you can hold off thousands of black animals who want to get in through your one entry? Are you taking more gunpowder and reloading supplies than food -- cause you'd better! Or just bomb the pass and close it... and hope the animals can't climb mountains?)

Blogger Centurion Revolt April 16, 2018 1:05 PM  

I still support TGE but he obviously (in part) bombed Syria to distract from the witch hunt. I am very disappointed that he totally contradicted himself

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 16, 2018 2:07 PM  

The number of normie cons in my Twitter feed trying to meme that halfwit, Colin Powell in a dress, Affirmative Action hire, Confederate Battle Flag stealing witch, as a future GOP president-too high to keep track of.
I will absolutely flip my shi..um, crap, if she gets nominated for office in the future.
I have a list of the Top GOP people that put me over the edge, and Nikki Hayley, Ana Navarro, and Jennifer Rubin cycle in and out of the #1 spot, but generally, that's Nikki's spot.
(In case anyone is interested, some others on the top of the list include- Bill Kristol, the littlest Chickenhawk, Kevin Williamson, Rick Wilson, Eric Erickson, Jonah Goldberg, Paul Ryan, John McCain, Lindsay Graham)
There are many, many more, of course, but those are some of my top triggers.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 16, 2018 6:40 PM  

@72

"Assad doesn't keep the Mediterranean ice free by sheer force of will. He isn't a necessary part of the equation."

The Russians have a multi-generational history the Assad family. They TRUST Assad.

What they CANNOT trust (after Ukraine!) is that they will be continued to use Syria as a friendly naval base with a NATO-chosen puppet in charge.

So, they will fight, fight, fight for the Assad family. Russian's really do value loyalty.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 16, 2018 9:22 PM  

Avalanche wrote:... I acknowledge there is no chance for your people to fight and win; ...

Air-fuel explosives, dispersed by aircraft over the dense trouble spots, could go a long way to even the odds.

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