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Thursday, April 05, 2018

Another Twitter "suspension"

The Z-man is the latest to be kicked off Twitter:
My twitter account was suspended for violation of their rules. The specific violations were that I was threatening to post personal information about someone and that I was contemplating suicide. Neither of those things are true, but that does not matter in these issues. What I think happened is some anti-Semites, who support the deranged loon Paul Nehlen, took issue with me saying Nehlen is a nut. Soon after, a lunatic started spamming me on Twitter and then my account was permanently suspended by the twitter police.

I’m not all that upset about it. I have been thinking about cutting out social media from my internet life. I was never into Facebook. I never saw the point of it. I’m not that interesting and neither are my friends. If I need to see cat videos, I have a cat at home. I never really liked twitter all that much, but I figured it was a good way to promote the site. It was mostly just a time waster. The increase in traffic from my activity was pretty much zero. My readers know where to find me, so twitter added nothing and just took away.

I’m still up on Gab, but I’m done posting there. Frankly, I’m tired of “white nationalist” types that have made Gab their home. I probably have muted two times the number of people I follow. It’s a free country and I think those people have a right to speak their mind on-line, but I just don’t want to hear it or see it. I’ve reached my limit on that stuff. It’s like being chained to a lunatic. No matter how hard you try to ignore it, you can’t help but notice the lunatic. The solution is to divorce myself from the whole scene. Goodbye lunatics…
Apparently tcjfs was kicked off too. As for the rest of it, the reality is that very few people are cut out for blogging long term. If it doesn't come to you naturally, then you're going to burn out sooner or later.

As for the usual "Alt-Right is over" theme, that's a uniquely American perspective that confuses political philosophy with political movement, ideas with groups, and understanding with branding. When the White House is denouncing and firing globalists, European nationalists are winning elections, and Big Social is enduring everything from Congressional summons to attacks by SJW gunwomen, and self-styled conservative opinion leaders are increasingly irrelevant, the Alt-Right is the exact opposite of over.

Remember, winning is a process, not a conclusion. And as for me, I'm still not tired.

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50 Comments:

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 05, 2018 11:09 AM  

He did spend his time on GAB writing that you should have sucked it up,uh huh.

Basically he is another conservative intellectual who wanted to pose and posture his brilliance, the old the Left spews stupid shit, brilliant conservative explains what it really means shtick, repeat till the messiah or an astroid ends it all mercifully.

Blogger Nate April 05, 2018 11:11 AM  

set backs are not defeat. I view the bumpstock ban has a huge setback and a strategic disaster. But it isn't defeat. Its just a setback.

Perhaps this is easier for Christians. We are after all pessimistic optimists are we not? We are taught to expect really bad things to happen to us and to our loved ones... but we are also taught that everything is going to be great in the end.

Blogger lazlo azavaar April 05, 2018 11:12 AM  

Yup. Got hacked on Gab for re-posting something someone didn't like. Found it easier to nuke my account. No fuss, no muss.

Blogger VD April 05, 2018 11:12 AM  

He did spend his time on GAB writing that you should have sucked it up,uh huh.

That's amusing. I had no idea. What I find surprising is how often these conservatives eventually come around to embracing positions of mine they originally criticized, without ever abandoning the notion that I am wrong for having held them too soon.

Blogger FUBARwest April 05, 2018 11:13 AM  

@2 I never thought it through before but that explains so much about my outlook on life.

Did the bump stock ban go through? I thought it was written up and still needed to be passed.

Blogger mark auld April 05, 2018 11:17 AM  

I read V.D. and Z man every day. I like V.D.'s response alot;both cogent and positive.

Blogger ReluctantMessiah April 05, 2018 11:28 AM  

"What I find surprising is how often these conservatives eventually come around to embracing positions of mine they originally criticized"

Papa Vox smiles as the prodigal son returns

Blogger wrf3 April 05, 2018 11:32 AM  

When it comes to pornography, the response by the left is "if you don't want to watch it, just change the channel", but when it comes to speech they don't like it's "ban it"? The same is true of the right. You should ignore speech we approve of, but we should ban speech we don't like.

A pox on both houses.

Blogger pyrrhus April 05, 2018 11:36 AM  

Z-man is schizophrenic about the Alt-right and civilization...He sees that the latter is going down the tubes, but can't accept that the former is the only answer, while having absolutely no answer himself.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams April 05, 2018 11:37 AM  

Zman managed to signal that not liking (((a certain group of people))) is 6 million times worse than not like any other group.

Funny, he hates the Storm Poopers on Gab, but told Vox to suck it when he was a target, because muh free speech.

Blogger pyrrhus April 05, 2018 11:39 AM  

@5 The bump stock ban is a proposed rule, so not legally in existence yet. When it is approved, despite the fact that it has zero legal basis, there will be lawsuits.

Blogger Desdichado April 05, 2018 11:46 AM  

Paul Nehlen is a deranged loon? Wow, the Z man gets crazier every day. It's one thing to disagree with Nehlen on sunbathing or other, but he's hardly crazy.

Blogger depth April 05, 2018 11:50 AM  

Z-man picked the right time to check out. Now Matt Forney has left Gab because of the Paul Nehlen-Ricky Vaughn doxxing. This is funny considering Forney excoriated Vox for the whole Gab thing earlier. Torba is taunting Forney for leaving. Train wreck.

Blogger Orthodox April 05, 2018 11:51 AM  

How far have things deteriorated in some corners? Weev and Ricky Vaughn are now lumped together as enemies of the white race.

Blogger Orthodox April 05, 2018 11:53 AM  

@13 Torba's non-action against an attempted doxxing of Ricky Vaughn is ridiculous. It shouldn't matter if your dox is a failure or success, if you tried to use Gab to do it, you've violated the terms of service.

Blogger Orthodox April 05, 2018 11:55 AM  

And irony of ironies, Anglin is also getting hate. I'm not sure if Vox would have anyone to debate today except Paul Nehlen or Chris Cantwell.

Blogger Nate April 05, 2018 12:03 PM  

"The bump stock ban is a proposed rule, so not legally in existence yet. When it is approved, despite the fact that it has zero legal basis, there will be lawsuits."

I'm not even sure the ATF will approve it. Its not like they didn't want to prohibit them back under Obama.

Blogger lazlo azavaar April 05, 2018 12:07 PM  

14. Is that what happened? I may have blundered into that like a dumb normie. Who knew liking and re-posting was so dangerous to the commonweal?

Blogger Nate April 05, 2018 12:09 PM  

"How far have things deteriorated in some corners? Weev and Ricky Vaughn are now lumped together as enemies of the white race. "

never underestimate the lengths omegas will go to make sure they continue to lose.

Blogger kmbr April 05, 2018 12:17 PM  

***When the White House is denouncing and firing globalists, European nationalists are winning elections, and Big Social is enduring everything from Congressional summons to attacks by SJW gunwomen, and self-styled conservative opinion leaders are increasingly irrelevant, the Alt-Right is the exact opposite of over.***

Even more importantly, open anti-white sentiment is mainstream reaching epidemic levels and moving into the "acting on it" stage.

Most (white, productive) people's wallets are a little heavier now leading to apathy.

But ignoring the above, not possible in the long-term.

Blogger Rick April 05, 2018 12:25 PM  

Unless Twitter croaks, I'm staying there with TGE. I prefer my news unfiltered and straight from the tap. I can live with keeping my brilliance to myself.

Staying on FB because that's as high tech as my vintage Indian motorcycle old timer's group is willing to get. You get to post politics or cat pics only once.

Is POTUS even on GAB?

Blogger Zaklog the Great April 05, 2018 12:25 PM  

I must give you credit, Vox. The repeated proclamations that Trump has betrayed us! We're all doomed, doomed, doomed!!! seem to keep coming up false. DACA deal? Nope. No deal, and frankly it's starting to look like he was just teasing the Democrats the whole time. No wall yet, but he's managed to turn back the immivader caravan without firing a shot. I'm starting to grow more confident here.

Thank you.

Blogger Anno Ruse April 05, 2018 12:29 PM  

> Perhaps this is easier for Christians. We are after all pessimistic optimists are we not? We are taught to expect really bad things to happen to us and to our loved ones... but we are also taught that everything is going to be great in the end.

So let the world go to shit because you'll get your reward in the end? I don't think so, Cruzcuck. I intend to fight for what's mine. God hasn't saved me but Donald Trump might. And if not him, another. You can be as meek as the lamb if you want. We'll step over your corpse on a long march. As the Bible says, there can be snow on the roof, but there's still fire in the furnace.

Blogger VD April 05, 2018 12:31 PM  

I must give you credit, Vox. The repeated proclamations that Trump has betrayed us! We're all doomed, doomed, doomed!!! seem to keep coming up false.

Nice to see that some readers are capable of noticing consistency.

So let the world go to shit because you'll get your reward in the end?

Don't be a moron. That's not at all what he said. Settle down and re-read what he wrote.

And remember, no one here is impressed by posturing.

Blogger Gunnar von Cowtown April 05, 2018 12:31 PM  

"What I find surprising is how often these conservatives eventually come around to embracing positions of mine they originally criticized..."

Not gonna name names, but this has become very apparent over the last few months. Certain Alt-Right personalities have recently come the following conclusions;

-Optics matter.
-Speaking to the media is a waste of time and a tactical blunder.
-Street activism is fake and gay.... and a tactical blunder.
-Christianity > blue-bottomed paganism.

Vox was right: Part MCVIXXIVI

Blogger Hammerli280 April 05, 2018 12:34 PM  

I wouldn't say the Alt-Right is over...more like it's becoming The Right. The Old Buckleyite Losers are headed for the hills. Buckley was running a rent-seeking operation, and people finally wised up.

Not to mention that we're undergoing a political polarity shift. Big Business threw over the GOP for Democrat Cronyism in the mid-1990s. Which left the working middle class without a party. Trump figured this out, and made those abandoned voters his power base. If the GOP figures this out, they can keep those voters for a long, long time.

Not that I have much confidence in the Stupid Party.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 05, 2018 12:38 PM  

I have to hand it to him...Trump has an unbelievable ability to get the Left to take off the mask and show just how crazy-fascist they REALLY are.

Blogger K Madison1 April 05, 2018 12:41 PM  

Cernovich is now saying the wall will never happen. Hopefully he's wrong but that news isn't great. Trump appears to have a head of steam again so perhaps he'll press on and give Congress the finger... which they richly deserve. It seems like his passion is more trade than immigration. Not that trade isn't important I just think the two go hand in hand.

Blogger VD April 05, 2018 12:45 PM  

I wouldn't say the Alt-Right is over...more like it's becoming The Right. The Old Buckleyite Losers are headed for the hills. Buckley was running a rent-seeking operation, and people finally wised up.

That's what I've been trying to tell everyone from the start. The Alt-Right IS the One True Right. That's why the "brand" business has always been nonsensical and irrelevant. The definition of Alt-Right success is the disappearance of the brand and the embrace of its ideas by a broad spectrum across the entire Right.

Blogger Sillon Bono April 05, 2018 12:57 PM  

The alt-right as internet trolls pretending to be Nazis is what is over.

The chaps who were in for the lulz are the ones who are going cold after realizing that memeing nazi imagery in real life does not work,(((gets you in trouble))) and makes you a target for the retards in the left.

The serious part of the Alt-Right grows in strength daily because ideas can only be combated with better ideas, and politically no one else has any ideas, just ideology.

Blogger Thucydides April 05, 2018 12:59 PM  

@Hammerli280
"Not to mention that we're undergoing a political polarity shift. Big Business threw over the GOP for Democrat Cronyism in the mid-1990s. Which left the working middle class without a party. Trump figured this out, and made those abandoned voters his power base. If the GOP figures this out, they can keep those voters for a long, long time."

The problem is while you are quite correct that the President has figured this out, it is not apparent at all the Republican Party as a whole has either understood, or is interested in these voters.

I'm thinking we are in a dangerous transition period right now. The Republicans either have to be cored out and replaced on the inside by "Populist" members, executives and legislators, or thrown over and a true Populist party emerges to replace them (much like the Whigs were replaced by the Republicans). The danger, of course, is if the Republican/Populist/Conservative/Classical Liberal/Alt-Right lose their grip on political power, the Progressives are going to do everything possible to prevent them from getting back into power again. But a smooth and seamless transition from Republicans to Populists is extremely unlikely.

So I'm expecting a lot of turbulence ahead (starting with the 2018 mid terms, how many Republicans seem to be ready to capitalize on the Presidents tax cuts, security and foreign relations successes?).

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 05, 2018 1:10 PM  

Gunnar von Cowtown wrote:Certain Alt-Right personalities have recently come the following conclusions

Yep, funny that, eh?

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 05, 2018 1:19 PM  

"Pessimistic optimists" is a damn fine way to put it.
This world can't be perfected, but at the same time, it's been shaped by the Incarnation and the Holy Spirit, so there are periods of divine brilliance overcoming human evil.
One interpretation, anyway.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 05, 2018 1:30 PM  

The Zman really values being the "voice in the wilderness." He sees himself as one of a few rational voices in a chaotic world.

He is extremely anti-extremist. He insists that "fanatics on the left and right are just as bad."
The Nazi larpers are actually bad because they are retarded, not because they stray from the golden mean.

I lost interest in him during the whole "scientody" discussion, and the attack on the 14 points.
Some guys can't recognize the virtue of actually acting in the world (not so much Zman, but his commenters), so they nitpick and fuss when anyone starts making progress, and encounters any resistance at all.
They are like passengers on a plane, getting angry because of turbulence.

Blogger Johnny April 05, 2018 1:55 PM  

The next election looks like a damned if you do and damned if you don't sort of thing. If the Republicans do poorly it will stifle Trump for the next two years, and if they do well it will ratify their passive do-nothing resistance to Trump.

Blogger seeingsights April 05, 2018 2:43 PM  

Z-man is the guy who think David Stove is a good philosopher, right?

I don't make it a point to see what Z Man says, and it seems that I'm not missing anything.

Blogger Wolfman at Large April 05, 2018 3:07 PM  

We are definitely seeing increased separation between the Alt-West and the Alt-White.

Blogger tz April 05, 2018 4:20 PM  

Meanwhile, not tired of Schadenfreude.

Kevin Williamston was fired from the Atlantic.
Zman Mourns.
I Celebrate him being hoisted on his own petard

I shall confess this to get the indulgance on Divine Mercy Sunday when I can figure out how I can detach from sin while cheering, laughing, and celebrating what I can only perceive as karmic justice.

Blogger tz April 05, 2018 4:22 PM  

Zman's lament over Williamson being fired

My only question at this point is Heineken or Stella.

Blogger Shane Farrell April 05, 2018 5:02 PM  

Zman blog is back up after the incident with the Veganator and youtube. With respect to Z his blog is of a very high standard, in particular the history posts and Essential Knowledge index. Sure enough he's nitpicked about Vox, and a lot others but he's been pretty even handed and complimentary at times overall. He did make a fair point a while back about the bickering and infighting that tends to go on in the Right(Alt/Dissident/traditional/Religious) as opposed to a sometimes monolithic left. They get to keep the fighting inhouse for now, as they are establishment. They have a totally compliant media. They have the luxury of smoke filled rooms and horse trading. His analogy for the Right is that we're outside the city walls, and when you're in the encampment together besieging the city you don't get to hide anything. Our fights are more public.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 05, 2018 6:07 PM  

tz wrote:My only question at this point is Heineken or Stella.
I suppose we should save celebrating with the whiskey until he's dead.

Blogger Pale Male April 05, 2018 6:24 PM  

Rick wrote:Is POTUS even on GAB?
Not yet, though his account has been reserved since 2016.  There is a parody account @realDonadlTrump which posts some hilarious stuff from time to time, and @TrumpsTweets reposts the real stuff.

That's what I've been trying to tell everyone from the start. The Alt-Right IS the One True Right.
About the time you think you've repeated yourself until you're blue in the face, people really hear it for the first time.

And yes I have been there and done that.  It is amazing what you can accomplish as long as you don't care who gets the credit.

Blogger Dire Badger April 05, 2018 6:39 PM  

Huffpo's 'definition' of alt-right was hilarious.

Blogger Avalanche April 05, 2018 6:52 PM  

@35 "The next election looks like a damned if you do and damned if you don't"

States are gonna be important; we've GOT to get the RINOs and NeverTrumpers (and all Dems!) OUT!

I was delighted by a fellow who came by this morning looking for votes (Shane Hazel, running for Congress in Georgia: "Life, Liberty, and the Constitution"). When I said I was 100% Alt Right and dedicated to the destruction of the Republican party right AFTER the destruction of the Dems -- he applauded! We had a nice chat, he is on the Trump train. (He's ex-Marine, I'm ex-Navy...)

That's what we need to locate: 'our' people willing to run and get elected.

Blogger Avalanche April 05, 2018 6:54 PM  

@38 'I shall confess this to get the indulgence on Divine Mercy Sunday when I can figure out how I can detach from sin while cheering, laughing, and celebrating what I can only perceive as karmic justice."

"Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord" -- can't you just chalk it up to, for once, actually BEING there to see it happen? Surely, no confession is needed when you recognize the Hand of God?

Blogger tz April 05, 2018 7:22 PM  

@40 I find ZMan's blog creepy in that all the paragraphs are nearly the same size. That's unnatural.

Blogger tublecane April 06, 2018 5:34 PM  

@Sillon Bobo- Of course, in the MSM that's all the alt-right ever was: cartoon frog Nazis. They never cared about subtle distinctions between alt-right, alt-lite, alt-West, alt-retard, etc.

They didn't ever have in mind the Real Deal alt-right, which is populism outside the Conservatism Inc.-dominated mainstream. That's what shall inherit the right mantle. The rest of it was mere fashion. ("Fash"-ion.)

Blogger tublecane April 06, 2018 5:39 PM  

Hammerli280- What you describe is not a polarity shift. Groups change their affiliation without changing their right/left position.

For instance, blacks jumped the Republican ship for Democrats under FDR, and the South went Republican after the civil rights movement. But it's not as if the parties suddenly became blackish or Souruern. They just started pursuing those groups' interests, to the exclusion of certain other groups.

If the Republican party is now the relative working class party and the Democrats are the Big Business/Welfare party, it's not as if Republicans are suddenly leftist and Democrats are suddenly of the right. Politics doesn't work like that.

Blogger tublecane April 06, 2018 7:39 PM  

@Shane Farrell- Except the left has very public squabbles and unpersonings all the time. They appear to think there's value in them.

Blogger Audacious Epigone April 06, 2018 8:33 PM  

VD,

tcfs deactivated for career-related reasons.

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