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Thursday, April 12, 2018

Ashamed to be an Israeli

Martin van Creveld has some VERY strong words for his fellow countrymen:
I am ashamed to be an Israeli.

And not because the IDF killed some fifteen residents of Gaza during the demonstrations that took place on the 30th of April. I was not there, and neither was any of my acquaintances. So I cannot say whether the killing was “justified”—whether, in other words, the soldiers who opened fire really were in danger of their lives. Although I must say that, since the demonstrators did not carry weapons and since a great many of them were women and children, the number seems quite high. The more so because not a single Israeli was killed or injured.

Most of my readers not being Israelis, I cannot blame them for never having heard the name of Kobi Meidan. I myself hardly open my radio except to listen to classical music; hence I cannot say I am terribly familiar with the name either. I think I once talked to him over the phone, but that is all.

Mr. Meidan is a journalist. He works for Galei Zahal, the military broadcasting station that is one of the most popular in Israel. Referring to the demonstrations, he wrote that he was ashamed to be an Israeli. Please note that he did not say so while on the air. He did so on Facebook, in his capacity as a private individual in a free country.

No sooner had he done so than all hell broke loose. All over the country people demanded that he be fired.
While I certainly admire Martin's characteristic courage in standing up for Kobi Meidan's right to express his feelings about the most recent Gaza massacre, I think he is perhaps being a little hard on his country here. Or perhaps it would be more accurate to say that I think his expectations of it are perhaps a little higher than I would expect of Israel, the USA, or pretty much anywhere else.

The short-lived age of free speech, such as it is, is observably over. I am considerably less outraged by Israelis attempting to speech police one of their own who is criticizing their country than I am by Judeo-Christians in the United States launching a direct assault on the First Amendment rights of Americans by successfully criminalizing private and corporate speech that advocates the anti-Israel boycott, divest, and sanction movement.

But these are the new rules of the game, apparently. And we don't make the rules. So, lament them if you are so inclined, but also learn them, master them, and begin enforcing those blasphemy and obscenity laws that are still on the books from more civilized, more Christian times.

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70 Comments:

Blogger Steve April 12, 2018 11:11 AM  

the IDF killed some fifteen residents of Gaza

I'm not seeing the problem here.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2018 11:21 AM  

Gaza has been described as a concentration camp. Seems more like the early Indian Reservations of these uSA.

I do not know how up-to-date this is but you will understand why the people in Gaza are desperate and unable to rebuild.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Gaza_imports

Blogger Ingot9455 April 12, 2018 11:40 AM  

I thought it was militarily accepted that massing on your enemy's border may result in your being shot at any moment. An enemy border is not like the back seat of your mom's car with an imaginary dotted line, creep-walking your fingers up to it to pester your sibling, and having your mother say, "So help me I'll turn this car around."

Especially since the massing people may conceal any number of bad actions.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 12, 2018 11:43 AM  

@2 Yeah, for all that inability to rebuild, Hamas still makes a heck of a concrete tunnel. The import blocks are pretty weaksauce, and if you look you can also find pictures of thriving Gaza marketplaces in the classic Arab style. I wouldn't worry yourself overmuch - the Israelis are way too soft about it.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) April 12, 2018 11:46 AM  

1. Steve April 12, 2018 11:11 AM
I'm not seeing the problem here.



it is, after all, racist to assert that Goyish lives might matter.

Blogger Quilp April 12, 2018 11:47 AM  

Sink the ship, or they will soon turn into sea lanes.

Blogger Quilp April 12, 2018 11:47 AM  

Ships*

Blogger Steve April 12, 2018 11:48 AM  

it is, after all, racist to assert that Goyish lives might matter.

What?

Blogger VD April 12, 2018 11:48 AM  

I thought it was militarily accepted that massing on your enemy's border may result in your being shot at any moment.

Yes, I'm sure the Jews resident in the USA will acknowledge that and be supportive if American troops start machine-gunning Mexicans at the border.

Don't be ridiculous.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 12, 2018 11:50 AM  

The issue, as I see it, is whether the actions of the IDF soldiers were necessary to defend the nation. I wish our own military were actually defending the United States in this manner.

Blogger Chase April 12, 2018 12:00 PM  

Jews in this country tell insist that not only is amassing on the border not a crime: declaring your intention and following through with an (almost certainly) state sponsored invasion is OK. I care not one bit for the 15 Gazans who lost their lives; I care a great deal about Jewish hypocrisy that is demonstrably helping destroy the only nation I have.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) April 12, 2018 12:00 PM  

8. Steve April 12, 2018 11:48 AM
What?



at what other time is it permissible to run around shooting civilians?

a - when Israeli's do it
b - when Democrat presidents do it

are there any others?

Blogger Steve April 12, 2018 12:03 PM  

It's always a good idea to shoot people who are storming your borders.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 12, 2018 12:14 PM  

"I care not one bit for the 15 Gazans who lost their lives; I care a great deal about Jewish hypocrisy that is demonstrably helping destroy the only nation I have."

This. I don't know the situation in Gaza, and hence it's a waste of energy for me to care. On the other hand, I'm about a hundred and twenty-five miles from the southern border of the USA, and my surroundings are far, far too brown already.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 12, 2018 12:15 PM  

"at what other time is it permissible to run around shooting civilians?"

Are we talking about western civilization? No?

Tuesday. Probably Thursday as well.

Blogger Matthew April 12, 2018 12:17 PM  

Freedom of speech is much like loving your enemies. It is a principle that only makes sense, let alone works, when your enemies are members of your ethnic group, and not those who naturally wish to destroy you.

Blogger Johnny April 12, 2018 12:22 PM  

Israel can't be shooting them because of the bad PR, but if they did just shoot them and got a pass, that would be the end of it. The other side would quit using its civilians as cannon fodder. Human shield was Hussain's version of this.

We are functioning under rules that will not hold up in the long run because they are unsound. I regard the Palestinian Authority area as essentially a refugee camp where the inhabitants have the ability to reproduce at whatever rate they wish to reproduce. The problem with this is the same as the problem with the "welfare queen," somebody else foots the bills for the kids. And it produces an expanding problem. As the Arab states want to back the Palestinians but not take them in, and as the Jews can't or won't take them in, it has the appearance of an expanding problem that is going to end badly.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2018 12:23 PM  

@13

Storming? Try unarmed protestors protesting in an Israeli declared no-go zone in the Gaza side of the fence. Am I wrong that the no-go zone is in the Gaza side? Armed or attempts to cross over the fence, shoot'em.

@11 and @12 Y'all got it right.

Blogger Ceerilan April 12, 2018 12:23 PM  

In exercising free speech, it's always helpful to remember that Marxists will necessarily take your words and use them to slander you, your people, and your country should any of those fail to sufficiently endorse the narrative.

What the Israelis in the article are reacting to is another media figure essentially surrendering to the left.

Blogger Steve April 12, 2018 12:26 PM  

I regard the Palestinian Authority area as essentially a refugee camp where the inhabitants have the ability to reproduce at whatever rate they wish to reproduce.

This is basically the entire Third World. We either break the Zerg Rush or they'll consume everything we have and then kill us all.

Blogger LES April 12, 2018 12:27 PM  

The false story about the gas attack in Syria got the attention off of the massacre in Gaza.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 12, 2018 12:28 PM  

"We are functioning under rules that will not hold up in the long run because they are unsound."

Agreed.

"in an Israeli declared no-go zone"

Colloquially known as "asking for it".

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 12, 2018 12:50 PM  

“We either break the Zerg Rush or they'll consume everything we have and then kill us all.”

Not necessarily in that order.

It’s funny the blind spots we have. My brother tells me, over Christmas, that we should sink the “refugee” ships mid-Med and not recue any survivors. Or, as you say, they’ll simply overrun us and make Europe the same hellhole as Africa.

Then he tells me Gods a genocidal maniac for killing all the Amorites.

There is no amount of face palming can convey my sincere astonishment.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2018 12:50 PM  

@22
Sure. Israel does nothing and has done nothing, ever, to deserve a whiff of criticism or condemnation.
No-go zone? Enforced in the other's land.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) April 12, 2018 12:53 PM  

22. Azure Amaranthine April 12, 2018 12:28 PM
Colloquially known as "asking for it".



what would the Russian response to the US declaring a "no-go zone" on RUSSIAN territory be?

what would the US response to Mexico declaring a "no-go zone" in US territory be?

Israel has agreed to the borders of Gaza and that it is Palestinian for longer than most of you have been alive.

Blogger Quilp April 12, 2018 12:53 PM  

Well now, the Palestinians finally understanding the rules of the game, "going Gandhi" if you will, instead of blowing up Israeli citizens, but instead offering up their own to be killed by those in power (Israel), had to be one of Israel's greatest fears. How do you deal with people willing to be injured, maimed, killed in order to achieve their goals, in a cable news world.

What if one Million Palestinians wish to peacefully march through Israel? Those protesters wouldn't really be a threat to unarmed Israeli soldiers, would they? They only wish to show the world they are peaceful, and that their claim to lands they plan on marching through were theirs not that long ago. What a noble march, what a cause, what a media event! At what point does this type of activity need to be shut down, or you are merely delaying the point in time that you surrender to the just cause you refused to stamp out.

BTW, I am no supporter of Israel, but they either have a right to exist, or they do not. Attacking borders is one way of saying they do not. To not defend it's borders, would be to agree they don't really have a right to exist,

Blogger James Dixon April 12, 2018 12:57 PM  

> No-go zone? Enforced in the other's land.

It's conquered territory. They're allowed to be there at their conqueror's whim, like it or not.

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 12, 2018 12:59 PM  

On the level of nations, there is no right to exist.

There is the power to persist, or there is not.

Blogger DonReynolds April 12, 2018 1:11 PM  

Disclosure: I volunteered for the IDF in 1972 through the Israeli Information Committee (Rabi Charles Schiffman). At the time, they were only accepting 3 out of 100 volunteers and mine was one of the many that were rejected because I did not speak Hebrew, which was a requirement.

This particular individual is particularly silly, saying he is ashamed because there were not more Israeli dead and injured!! Good Grief, he must be particularly ashamed of the June 1967 war.

The fact that rioters are not "armed" does not mean they are harmless. Travon Martin and Michael Brown were not armed when they were shot. The former had attacked a man and tried to kill him by bashing his head on a sidewalk. The latter had started a fight with a police officer and tried to take his weapon. Unarmed does not mean they are incapable of inflicting harm or that they have no intention of doing so.

Blogger Shimshon April 12, 2018 1:15 PM  

Marty should stick to military strategy and history.

This was an army radio "journalist" (as infested with leftists as any fake news media). I am firmly in support of squelching whatever free-speech rights any such journalist lays claim to. If he wants to criticize the state, quit and do so as a private citizen (or get into the Knesset).

I've got two sons in combat units, and both have been stationed near Gaza (they're not there now, thankfully). They were telling me about regular (but likely censored) riots with shoot to kill orders months ago. Along with tunnel ops and other interesting tidbits.

Blogger Shimshon April 12, 2018 1:21 PM  

Free speech isn't even a Jewish concept. Slander is a terrible sin, compared to murder (the face going white from shame or embarrassment is compared to shedding blood). Even tale-bearing and gossip (ie spreading truthful but damaging info that is not public knowledge) is very serious sin.

Blogger Johnny April 12, 2018 1:29 PM  

This particular individual is particularly silly, saying he is ashamed because there were not more Israeli dead and injured!!

And then there are always the people who want the cops to give the suspect a "fair fight." Stuff like does it really take fifty cops to surround the house, like somehow fewer would be better.

I forget the details, but we got in trouble in the Philippines way back when. The rebel army made a stupid mistake and it was too easy to kill them, bothering the people back home.

Blogger VD April 12, 2018 1:33 PM  

If he wants to criticize the state, quit and do so as a private citizen (or get into the Knesset).

I think the point is that he did so as a private citizen, on his Facebook page. There is no such thing as a professional Facebook post for a journalist.

Blogger DonReynolds April 12, 2018 1:35 PM  

@32 Johnny
"Stuff like does it really take fifty cops to surround the house, like somehow fewer would be better."

General Eisenhower once explained American military doctrine during WWII. If a hill were defended by a regiment of the enemy, he could take that hill with two regiments, but with serious casualties....or he could take that hill with a division without firing a shot.

Blogger S'mon April 12, 2018 1:38 PM  

" Galei Zahal, the military broadcasting station that is one of the most popular in Israel"

I would never have expected a military broadcasting station to be other than a propaganda arm, even in the Age of Free Speech, whenever that was.

I remember when I was young (& before then) there used to be much criticism in broadcast media of the government's conduct of wars (UK Falklands, earlier US Vietnam) but that seemed to be more that the broadcast media was Soviet/Communist-influenced, rather than a bastion of free expression. After the Cold War the cultural Marxists took over the West, and the previous tension between pro-Commie and anti-Commie that had led to the appearance of 'free speech' in the Western media soon ended. The heirs of the pro-Commies still attack 'right wing media', but if you watch Fox News or read the Daily Mail, most of the opinion is identical to that in the fully cult-Marx media.

Blogger Brett baker April 12, 2018 1:38 PM  

They only killed 15.

Blogger Brett baker April 12, 2018 1:41 PM  

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Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2018 2:06 PM  

@29
Unarmed and on the Gaza side of the fence.

@32
And what business of these uSA was to invade the Philippines?

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) April 12, 2018 2:08 PM  

27. James Dixon April 12, 2018 12:57 PM
It's conquered territory. They're allowed to be there at their conqueror's whim, like it or not.


firstly, Israel ceded Gaza back to Egyptian control. ie - it was effectively "reconquered" by Arabs.


secondly, all you've done is restate the adage that Might Makes Right.

further, this indicates that the Israelis are purposely keeping the Gazans in that fishbowl because they enjoy shooting them.

there's no question that Egypt is keeping the Gazans in the fishbowl because they enjoy watching them get shot.

further, indicating that the only reason it's not 'Right' that the Arabs haven't wiped Israel out is because they haven't yet been successful at it.

you might want to reconsider that as a policy.

Blogger Steve April 12, 2018 2:22 PM  

there used to be much criticism in broadcast media of the government's conduct of wars (UK Falklands

The BBC never forgave Margaret Thatcher for winning that war.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2018 2:28 PM  

@bob,
Would you feel better about it if they moved the kill zone 30 feet to the left? If not, shut up.

Blogger tz April 12, 2018 2:40 PM  

The problem is that Creveld and others failed to call for the firing of the SJWs that would accept calls for the firing, just as we failed to and are continually failing to turn Facebook, Google, etc. into utilities at a minimum (or a common carrier, i.e. don't open the box and you won't be responsible for delivering it).

"Free Speech", add religion (bake that gay wedding cake), association (you must serve blacks), etc. have been lost.

This unfortunately parallels the ethno- v.s. civic- nationalism. Perhaps the latter could have worked if they actually defended the civitas from those who weren't even hiding the fact they wanted to destroy it by playing on pity and sympathy.

So now the question is which ethno-culture will dominatte, just as the subordinate questions are which expressions and activities will we restrict, tax, or imprison people for.

To regain liberty, we must first seize the tyranny and swap targets not unlike taking a bigger gun from an opponent and shooting him with it.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 12, 2018 2:50 PM  

"this indicates that the Israelis are purposely keeping the Gazans in that fishbowl because they enjoy shooting them."

They shoot them because they refuse to stay in the fishbowl, AKA the protesters* in the no-go zone. Now, I know perfectly well that they were still technically inside the bowl, but they were also in a no-go zone. Ceded back to Egyptian control or not, if the Israelis can impose a no-go zone, clearly the Egyptians do not have full control.

It comes down to a question involving a lot of circumstances you and I simply do not know. Is it common for "unarmed" people over there to be concealing weapons, or otherwise be able to make them nigh instantly (such as slings)? Yes. Where were they in the no-go zone? Were they barely inside? Were they up against the fence trying to break it and/or throwing/slinging "unarmed" rocks? Who knows?

James restated that might makes right because that's quite literally how these things work. If you don't have the power, in some form or other, to do something (like control the Gaza strip) you don't have control over it, whether or not anyone says you do.

*Does anyone actually believe that people referred to by MSM (which does indeed exist in other countries too) as "unarmed protesters" were really either? Maybe they were, but I'm not taking anyone's word for it whom I don't implicitly trust.

"further, indicating that the only reason it's not 'Right' that the Arabs haven't wiped Israel out is because they haven't yet been successful at it."

That's actually the long and short of it, speaking of current "Israel". There's very little right or wrong to it that be told from your perspective or mine. If the alien people who currently occupy the land took it by force and politics (and they did), there's no implicit morality to whether it can be taken by someone else by the same means. Basic reciprocity.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 12, 2018 2:57 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:@32

And what business of these uSA was to invade the Philippines?


The US was at war with Spain. And what business of those Spain was to invade the Phillipines?

Steve wrote:the IDF killed some fifteen residents of Gaza

I'm not seeing the problem here.


They are mohammedans. They are at war with us, whether or not we are at war with them. It is always right and proper to kill mohammedans.

Blogger James Dixon April 12, 2018 3:00 PM  

> firstly, Israel ceded Gaza back to Egyptian control.

Where were the Egyptian police forces controlling the crowd then?

> secondly, all you've done is restate the adage that Might Makes Right.

No, I've restated that might makes might. I made no comment one way or another about the right of it.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2018 3:02 PM  

@44
Not all Palestinians are Muslims. Some are Christians.

And what business of these uSA was to got to war against Spain?

OpenID bgkoranburner April 12, 2018 3:11 PM  

I do want Israel to exist so jews can flee host nations to it & they don't destroy Europe with the "Sampson option" of nuking EU cities, but I don't want the Sampson option being used as blackmale.

I thought it was militarily accepted that massing on your enemy's border may result in your being shot at any moment.

When I start hearing jews in the US say that it's ok to shoot brown children in the back & sterilize black women going thru customs without their consent/knowledge, then I will know they want equal border treatment.

"at what other time is it permissible to run around shooting civilians?"

To be honest, an hour after the bars/strip clubs close on Fri/Sat nights. #TravelMurse

Blogger Desdichado April 12, 2018 3:20 PM  

bgkoranburner wrote:I don't want the Sampson option being used as blackmale.
Freudian slip, BGKB?

Blogger LP999-16 April 12, 2018 3:22 PM  

47 I just adore you!!

God bless Mr and Mrs. Martin van Creveld, I am so happy he is with us or with Castalia House, he is a national treasure, such an intellect, such a teacher!

To vent or express is a good trait given its measured, I can empathize where he is speaking from but no matter an origin, rise above it, he is his own man, perhaps a man without a nation as he is simply too smart for such triviality.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 12, 2018 3:24 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:@44

Not all Palestinians are Muslims. Some are Christians.

And what business of these uSA was to got to war against Spain?


God will know His own.

Who cares?

Blogger LP999-16 April 12, 2018 3:26 PM  

42 No, maybe MVC would, maybe not, MVC is still worth showing support and encouragement for. He is fully aware of the SJW illness in my opinion.

Blogger Jordan179 April 12, 2018 4:12 PM  

Yeah. They're culturally addicted to trying to murder Jews.

Tough for them that the Jews are simply more competent than them at the art of war. And, really, everything.

Blogger Jew613 April 12, 2018 4:16 PM  

VD wrote:I thought it was militarily accepted that massing on your enemy's border may result in your being shot at any moment.

Yes, I'm sure the Jews resident in the USA will acknowledge that and be supportive if American troops start machine-gunning Mexicans at the border.

Don't be ridiculous.


That is exactly what the US military should be doing. If someone is trying to break into your country it is akin to someone breaking into your house. Best case scenario they want to steal from you & yours, worst case they mean to destroy you and your family. It is every government's duty to act to protect their citizens from foreign invasion, by whatever means are necessary.

Gale Tzahal, despite being the Army Radio, is a viper's nest of Leftists and anti-Zionists whose goal is the demoralization and deconstruction of the Jewish state. It should be completely shut down.

As an aside Israel doesnt have free speech anyway. People are regularly charged with speech crimes, not for slander or calls for violence. Though those charges seemed to almost always be in the national camp.

Blogger Robert Browning April 12, 2018 6:14 PM  

Trumps back down has left Israel and Jews feeling very vulnerable, unprotected unguarded and in a weakened state. The only and best way for Trump to deal with Mueller and the Jew attack media machine is to further withdraw support for the much beloved and cherished Jew state up to and included the point of total destruction of the Jew state should the Jews not cease their attacks on Trump.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 12, 2018 7:13 PM  

Out of curiosity, what does a leftist, anti-Zionist Israeli want to see happen? Wouldn't that mean they want the end of their own country? Surely they don't believe that a state based on celebrating diversity can exist in that part of the world.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) April 12, 2018 7:20 PM  

45. James Dixon April 12, 2018 3:00 PM
Where were the Egyptian police forces controlling the crowd then?


why on earth would any sane person expect Egyptian police to enforce an ISRAELI no-go zone? especially when that purported no-go zone is NOT even on Israeli territory?


the problem with your position is that you've just provided the Gazans with any justification they might have wanted to murder Israelis at will.

IF you won't permit them to yell a couple of slogans and wave some signs around, on pain of death ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY

THEN why shouldn't they suicide bomb the hell out of you? you're going to kill them for speaking their minds anyways.


44. Ominous Cowherd April 12, 2018 2:57 PM
They are at war with us, whether or not we are at war with them. It is always right and proper to kill mohammedans.



that does have a lot of merit.

however, this then indicates that Israel should eject the Palestinians from the Strip.

or don't they have the Might necessary?



52. Jordan179 April 12, 2018 4:12 PM
Tough for them that the Jews are simply more competent than them at the art of war. And, really, everything.



i'm starting to wonder how "competent" Israelis would be ... if the US stopped dumping billion of dollars to them every year.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/09/14/united-states-military-aid-israel/90358564/

+3 billion. that would build and maintain a lot of border fence.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2018 7:29 PM  

@50

Yes he does.

Are you a Jew? An Israeli?

OpenID franklinfreek April 12, 2018 7:39 PM  

Although I must say that, since the demonstrators did not carry weapons and since a great many of them were women and children, the number seems quite high. The more so because not a single Israeli was killed or injured.

I've never understood the "nobody hurt on my side, so any enemy deaths are unjustified" argument. It sounds like (dare I say it), a cuckservative style argument.

When someone is burning tires on your border, it's chemical warfare. It doesn't require immediate damage on your own side to justify a violent response.

Furthermore, fixed defenses like walls have to be defended before they are breached. After they are breached the defenses are far weaker. So inevitably this leads to no go zones on the attacking side as well as one-sided massacres because attacking fixed fortifications is very lossy.

I'm kind of at a loss how Martin wouldn't understand this. HIs book on strategy is excellent.

As far as speech - the person who signs a reporter's paycheck gets to decide their public persona. If you want independence, be like Greenwald, instead of being on the government payroll.

Blogger James Dixon April 12, 2018 7:42 PM  

> why on earth would any sane person expect Egyptian police to enforce an ISRAELI no-go zone?

If it's effectively Egyptian territory, who else would be handling crowd control?

> the problem with your position is that you've just provided the Gazans with any justification they might have wanted to murder Israelis at will.

It seems to me they think they already have that justification.

> however, this then indicates that Israel should eject the Palestinians from the Strip.
'
Yes, they should. There will never be peace until they do so. The only question is where to send them.

> or don't they have the Might necessary?

I think they have the might. They don't seem to have the will.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2018 9:38 PM  

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Blogger JaimeInTexas April 12, 2018 9:39 PM  

Put two fences in your own territory. The moment someone tries to get over the first fence, he is already tresspassing. Shoot then. Prior to that time is murder.

Blogger Glenn Donovan April 12, 2018 10:15 PM  

Lynch mobs can be fun, until one comes for you...

Blogger Jew613 April 12, 2018 10:55 PM  

Wynn Lloyd wrote:Out of curiosity, what does a leftist, anti-Zionist Israeli want to see happen? Wouldn't that mean they want the end of their own country? Surely they don't believe that a state based on celebrating diversity can exist in that part of the world.

They call themselves post-Zionists, and yes their goal is an Israel which loses all Jewish character, and is nothing but a Hellenist secular state for all their citizens, with vibrant Arab, and African diversity. So yes it would mean the end of our country. Why do they do it? Why does any fool want to destroy what his ancestors built?

There arent a lot of them, but like all SJWs they've managed to converge enough cultural institutions to cause problems larger then their numbers would suggest. Luckily for us, despite their best efforts, they've never made much headway in taking over the Rabbinate. So even when they controlled the media and most of the Universities, there was always at least the bulwark of the Rabbis standing against their madness.

They have also lost most power and influence they once held as time has gone on. The Post-Zionists were at their peak in the mid 90's, but have been on a consistent decline since then.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 12, 2018 11:01 PM  

JaimeInTexas wrote:Prior to that time is murder.
Inter arma enim silent leges.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 12, 2018 11:01 PM  

You know, I'm trying to think if I know enough to even have an opinion on who is right and who is wrong. Then I trust my basic shallowness: neither side has orderly green space. I don't see fountains, even at the medieval level of Spain. I don't see flowers on doorstops, in window-boxes, at street-corners. I don't see articles about worms working to make farmable dirt. I don't see articles about rainwater collection, or pee-processing plants for water. I don't see olive trees. This means: I'm not seeing even basic Christian, European civilization, I'm not seeing any grace.

And then I see the fence, and it looks like both sides have agreed that it is this awful,barbaric thing. I genuinely wonder what would happen if they painted icons across the entire wall: making a prayer station. The Israelis are proud of their wailing wall. Could the Palestinians make a wall of pilgrimage, with saints, angels, Mary and Jesus, and, well, whomever is in the Koran,as well? I sort of think it would madden the Israelis stuck inside their prison, more or less. It's what pro-life people did around abortion clinics. They made them into Jericho, with prayer.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 12, 2018 11:40 PM  

Damn some Jews did take the video "Anti-racist Hitler" seriously.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( I love the smell of Autism on the internet. It smells like ... victoREEEEEEEEE ) April 12, 2018 11:51 PM  

59. James Dixon April 12, 2018 7:42 PM
If it's effectively Egyptian territory, who else would be handling crowd control?



you seem to have great difficulty understaning national authority.

Islam destroyed the Roman and Byzantine empires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCCbEMrNkWM

Blogger Antony April 13, 2018 1:33 AM  

I think the BDS movement are too soft as they just boycott Israel - given the involvement of the evil (((cabal))) in USA/Western politics via banking etc, maybe they should call for all jewish businesses to be boycotted ?

Blogger Nate April 13, 2018 9:28 AM  

"Freedom of speech is much like loving your enemies. It is a principle that only makes sense, let alone works, when your enemies are members of your ethnic group, and not those who naturally wish to destroy you."

Preach Preacher.

We must also face the truth that this same principle applies to democracy. Giving your enemy a voice in your government is literal suicide.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 13, 2018 11:06 AM  

@64

Why JAGS and military courts?

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