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Tuesday, April 24, 2018

Back to the balance of power

Russia now has the ability to drown the US coasts:
Russia's new nuclear drone submarine could be capable of causing 300ft-high tsunamis, able to wipe out coastal cities, experts say. The existence of the drone, believed to be the Status-6 system - also known as 'Putin's doomsday machine' - was confirmed by the Russian President himself in his annual state-of-the-nation speech in Moscow last month.

Experts say a 50 megaton underwater nuclear bomb would be able to create tsunami waves reaching more than 320ft - the 'Status-6' is allegedly able to carry a 100 megaton warhead.
Perhaps the neocons should stop trying to throw the US weight around and interfering in the affairs of sovereign nations. On the plus side, the prospect of having both coasts submerged underwater is considerably better than thermonuclear war. Indeed, one could quite credibly argue that the American nation would be better off without either of them.

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132 Comments:

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 24, 2018 4:54 PM  

Would be more than a little ironic, since they both openly talk about eliminating everyone else who lives in-between them ...

Blogger Vaughan Williams April 24, 2018 4:54 PM  

Revelation 11:8 ... and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Not claiming a literal fulfillment of Revelation, but that did leap out at my pattern matcher.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 24, 2018 4:57 PM  

I dare them!

I double dog dare them to wipe our New York, Boston and Washington DC.

I would also like to point out to the Russians at this time that we have even more inviting targets on the West Coast.

Blogger freddie_mac April 24, 2018 5:00 PM  

the prospect of having both coasts submerged underwater is considerably better

Let me evacuate my immediate family first, then let 'er rip! Hmm, that would also bury my employer, but in the scope of things, that's a rather small price to pay.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 24, 2018 5:01 PM  

The US coasts have some wonderful harbors that are afflicted with urban blight. I wonder how much it would cost to get the Russians to do some coastal urban renewal. We could take up a collection, get a lot of folks to chip in.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 24, 2018 5:02 PM  

As a West Coast denizen who lives above 100 meters in elevation. I can confidently state that the survivors of such an attack would be hard-put to come with a response more fitting than sending a nice thank you card and a bottle of Champagne to Mr. Putin.

Blogger tublecane April 24, 2018 5:03 PM  

"one could quite credibly argue that the American nation would be better off without either of them."

Aww, snap!

Blogger freddie_mac April 24, 2018 5:04 PM  

@3 Cataline Sergius
we have even more inviting targets on the West Coast.

I've heard LA called many, many things (cesspool?), but never inviting. Maybe "inviting" means something different in Russian?

Blogger Jack Ward April 24, 2018 5:08 PM  

@Vox one could quite credibly argue that the American nation would be better off without either of them.

This is cold. But, I cannot fault the logic.
The radical left play their games not really understanding, it seems, the dangers of baiting the Eagle in its tree, or the Bear overseas, as well. And, the Russian Bear may be the least dangerous of the two. Inflame the people that still believe in the Eagle and it follows that the Bear may not resist the temptations to pick apart the scattered pieces left over the Eagle tires of the crap. May be our submarine force with it's ICBM loads are one of the few deterrents to both situations.
I find it interesting that Russia keeps making public revelations of shock technology. Reminds me of USA in years past and technical rhetoric that may or may not have been true.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 24, 2018 5:09 PM  

Would women and minorities be hit harder?

Are minorities even patriotic?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 24, 2018 5:09 PM  

We would still have coasts. They would just be new coasts.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 24, 2018 5:11 PM  

saintCrispee wrote:@ #6

Cheering the prospect of death for millions of Americans. How brave. Let me guess...you try to call yourself an American.


Forgive us as we contemplate the deaths of millions of bugmen who lust for our deaths, and our children's rape and deaths.

Blogger S1AL April 24, 2018 5:11 PM  

"We would still have coasts. They would just be new coasts."

Not "new"... just free of the present fetid waste.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 24, 2018 5:14 PM  

@9 It is for these reasons that the acronym TWANLOC was devised.

Blogger Cecil Henry April 24, 2018 5:18 PM  

Wow, now this is a type of attack I had not thought of.

Very deadly, very stealthy, with much less nuclear fallout, and thus very feasible if need be.

It would have all the destructiveness of a nuclear bomb with none of the evidence!!

I could see this being used in preference to an air blast incineration. This may be the most usable nuclear option yet.

Blogger Some Guy April 24, 2018 5:21 PM  

Please Mr. Putin, I will pay you money if you will do this to the West Coast. I'll pay twice if you'll include Mexico.

Blogger Michael Buck April 24, 2018 5:22 PM  

Such a weapon has no real military utility. That is to say, is would not impair our ability to wage war against the aggressor.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 24, 2018 5:22 PM  

"the prospect of having both coasts submerged underwater is"

...making me think that perhaps I should go full dark knight neocon Russia warmonger.

Blogger Angantyr April 24, 2018 5:23 PM  

Ah, but wouldn't Putin need to file the Environmental Impact Statement? The paperwork alone might be an effective deterrent...

Blogger Angantyr April 24, 2018 5:24 PM  

At least the Delta Smelt will have all the water they need... but wait, they're a freshwater species and would be further endangered - oh, snap!

Blogger Bob Loblaw April 24, 2018 5:26 PM  

You don't build a weapon like this unless you're weak.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 24, 2018 5:28 PM  

"Such a weapon has no real military utility. That is to say, is would not impair our ability to wage war against the aggressor."

Seeing as the navy is one of the primary means of US projection of power... you're an idiot.

Blogger Dexter April 24, 2018 5:28 PM  

Yawn. Changes nothing. Russia has had the ability to nuke us since 1957.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 24, 2018 5:28 PM  

"You don't build a weapon like this unless you're weak."

Tell that to WWII USA.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 24, 2018 5:29 PM  

saintCrispee wrote:Let me guess...you try to call yourself an American.

You have to go back.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 24, 2018 5:32 PM  

Bob Loblaw wrote:You don't build a weapon like this unless you're weak.
And?

this is not a pissing contest.

Neocons thought they had found a way around MAD and they could talk the rest of us into starting a war with Russia. MAD is back on the table.

And St Crispy is an utter moron.

Blogger Michael Buck April 24, 2018 5:36 PM  

"Seeing as the navy is one of the primary means of US projection of power... you're an idiot."

Do you really think that ships in harbor are our principal means of retaliation to a surprise attack? We learned that lesson on December 7th. But don't listen to me- I only spent 3 decades as a front-line combatant.

Blogger allyn71 April 24, 2018 5:37 PM  

Do it!

Blogger Nate April 24, 2018 5:41 PM  

300 foot waves hitting New York and California?

Ask me why Putin is so popular in the US.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 24, 2018 5:41 PM  

Surfs up at San Onofre, everyone pile in the AAVs.

Camp Pendleton reference

Blogger saintCrispee April 24, 2018 5:41 PM  

@26 likes murder. Nice.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 24, 2018 5:45 PM  

Red Beach at 0400, bitches!

Blogger JACIII April 24, 2018 5:49 PM  

Ameeicans have far less to fear from Russians than the puritanical social justice passion of the coast dwellers. Russia will leave us be if we reciprocate. Coasties incapable of that.

Blogger Cloudswrest April 24, 2018 5:51 PM  

It has occurred to me that the Neocons would rather see the US lose, with millions of Americans killed, rather than voluntarily give up control. Sort of a Sampson option. After all, a US without the Neocons in control is a very formidable potential enemy.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 24, 2018 5:54 PM  

Cloudswrest wrote:It has occurred to me that the Neocons would rather see the US lose, with millions of Americans killed, rather than voluntarily give up control. Sort of a Sampson option. After all, a US without the Neocons in control is a very formidable potential enemy.
Neocons don't have control. So long as the danger of letting them ever have control again is visible, they will never have control.

Anonymous Anonymous April 24, 2018 6:03 PM  

A 50 megaton weapon is unlikely as that equals the approximate yield of the 'Tsar Bomba', largest nuke ever set off.

However a much smaller yield weapon, say 100 kt, set off in a harbor would be more than sufficient to destroy all the ships, facilities, and coastal neighborhoods.

--ZhukovG

Blogger Salt April 24, 2018 6:07 PM  

Surf's up!

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 24, 2018 6:08 PM  

Nevada would likely become the new coast line in the West and perhaps Alabama and Tennessee in the East.

Real estate investors, take note.

Blogger Theproductofafineeduction April 24, 2018 6:14 PM  

I don’t think the fallout is less and given radioactivity would then be carried by ocean currents, rather han eventually dropping to the earth, I suspect the irradiated areas would be much larger.

Blogger SirHamster April 24, 2018 6:16 PM  

Angantyr wrote:At least the Delta Smelt will have all the water they need... but wait, they're a freshwater species and would be further endangered - oh, snap!

West Coast submerged, millions dead, martial law declared and MAD threatened.

Delta smelt hardest hit.

Blogger Felix Bellator April 24, 2018 6:16 PM  

@ZhukovG - It does not need to be a single device of that yield. Several devices with proper placement and timing would likely achieve far greater destruction than a singular device. Sounds like a dynamite experiment to try in your favorite fishing hole.

Blogger Matt April 24, 2018 6:16 PM  

Learn to swim.

Arizona Bay, here we come.

Blogger Johnny April 24, 2018 6:18 PM  

Us taunting Russia for domestic political reasons, which is what we are doing, is truly disguising. We take this small but significant risk of war with a nuclear power for no good reason.

As far as winning the war goes, any kind of nuclear exchange would leave both countries so damaged that neither one could occupy the other. The only winners would be third parties, if they remain undamaged.

The Russian economy is far smaller than ours. If we were committed to a conventional war we would eventually win simply because we can outproduce them several time over. That is why the Russians stress the nuclear option. That is a war nobody wins. And if that is "weakness," it is not the kind of weak enemy I would want to face.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams April 24, 2018 6:21 PM  

And Missouri would still be landlocked. *sigh*

I do feel for the real Americans on both coasts though.

Blogger McChuck April 24, 2018 6:22 PM  

Not concerned about Russian nukes. They're sane.
Iran, on the other hand, just has to build a dozen to destroy most of the major ports in America. They can deliver them with container ships. And Iran's leaders actively seek the end of days.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 24, 2018 6:26 PM  

Johnny wrote:That is a war nobody wins. And if that is "weakness," it is not the kind of weak enemy I would want to face.
The argument amounts to this:
Bob carries a pistol. That's a sign of weakness.
Rebuttal:
So what? Don't attack Bob, he might kill you.

BTW, I didn't expect to have to say this here, but a tidal wave does not significantly move the shoreline. Japan is the same sixe it was in 1999.

Blogger tz April 24, 2018 6:33 PM  

Sort of like the Neutron Bomb.
Not exactly ethnic cleansing, but it would fix a lot of things.
OTOH he could just set a small nuke on LaPalma.

Blogger Dave W. April 24, 2018 6:34 PM  

Learn to swim
I'll see you down in
Arizona Bay

Blogger Ceasar April 24, 2018 6:35 PM  

"....drown the US coasts."

I just felt a tingle.

Blogger Kat April 24, 2018 6:44 PM  

Just aim northwards and spare Savannah and Charleston, please?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 24, 2018 6:49 PM  

"Do you really think that ships in harbor are our principal means of retaliation to a surprise attack? We learned that lesson on December 7th. But don't listen to me- I only spent 3 decades as a front-line combatant."

Sure you did.

Did I say anything about either retaliation or surprise attacks?

Is the navy part of the military?

You're still an idiot. Now you're just one who's trying to move the goalposts.

Blogger Billy April 24, 2018 6:56 PM  

Not concerned about Russian nukes. They're sane.
Iran, on the other hand"

I think the Iranians are quite sane also. Its are Zionist government that is out its mind.

Blogger Long Live The West April 24, 2018 6:56 PM  

freddie_mac wrote:@3 Cataline Sergius

we have even more inviting targets on the West Coast.

I've heard LA called many, many things (cesspool?), but never inviting. Maybe "inviting" means something different in Russian?


Not at all.

You have to remember that these are the people who want us to fight Russia. It's exactly what they want.

Blogger Billy April 24, 2018 7:01 PM  

"Such a weapon has no real military utility. That is to say, is would not impair our ability to wage war against the aggressor."

The comments on Russia always turn to Russia aint shit. We'll kick their ass with a flick of the wrist. Nothing to see here. Go back to watching football and drinking beer gullible americans. Oh and don't forget to purchase your pizza insurance, we wouldn't want your cheese to slide off and your fat ass miss a meal.

Blogger RobertT April 24, 2018 7:03 PM  

Downside?

Blogger Nell Fenwick April 24, 2018 7:13 PM  

Russia already has a weather machine. They can flood us out already. This weapon is definitely overkill.

Blogger Mr. Bee April 24, 2018 7:13 PM  

Utter Bullshit. Putin is sore because Trump just kicked his rump on the world stage. Russian ICBMs have the ability to flatten every city in the US with over one million people and turn the US into an apocalyptic reality show. So what's the point? Probably to get the morons who think the Russians stole the election even more energized.

Blogger idprism April 24, 2018 7:16 PM  

I find myself thinking that it would be no loss if russia used it on our coasts. Most Americans would consider it a favor, for most coasts.

Blogger Al Cibiades April 24, 2018 7:18 PM  

since it's out.....#nukethebluecountiesfirst ya know, for peace in our time

Blogger James April 24, 2018 7:23 PM  

Seems like there have been a lot of new super weapon development by the Russians lately. That is, if you believe the media. Hypersonic missiles that can't be stopped. New usage for old technology (see above article). Electronic jamming technology. Improved jet fighters and stealth bombers. I guess the cabal remembers the Cold War fondly. As long as they dangled the threat of the Soviet military in front of Congress and the American booboisie, the checkbook was open and the sky was the limit. We have the Soviets bastard offspring and now we also have the Chinese military threat! Good times ahead for weapon production!

Blogger tuberman April 24, 2018 7:25 PM  

I just tried to read my eighth book by John C.Wright, and I literally hated it. I read seven others of his and loved them all. If I was like some of the people around, I would concentrate on the book I hated, give it a nasty review and ignore the rest, because John Wright needs to have his feet put to the fire for his bad book (according to my opinion, which may not be informed). Instead, I shall give all his books I loved excellent reviews first.

None of you know diddly crap about what is going on in the ME, and all you do know is PDJT's record of being "America First" constantly in most things, and that's the only record that you are truly informed on currently. Give it a rest.

Blogger Unknown April 24, 2018 7:31 PM  

I recall hearing that same language regarding advanced weaponry over there broadcast by the media during the USSR days. Make of that what you will.

Blogger Ken Prescott April 24, 2018 7:40 PM  

The whole concept is astonishingly stupid. It's the most expensive, least effective, and least secure way I can think of to deliver a nuclear weapon.

Blogger tuberman April 24, 2018 7:41 PM  

As of a few weeks ago, one of the biggest concentrations of C_A Black-Hats was in Armenia, with about four sections operating there. Armenia was a puppet state of said, C_A, but no longer. These Clowns are not run by the USA.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 24, 2018 7:42 PM  

@Rambam
Is posting here your substitute for getting laid?

Blogger tuberman April 24, 2018 7:51 PM  

"I think the Iranians are quite sane also."

No, the Iranian people are sane, but not the Mullahs.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 24, 2018 8:04 PM  

"The whole concept is astonishingly stupid. It's the most expensive, least effective, and least secure way I can think of to deliver a nuclear weapon."

Actually it's quite effective, and I'm surprised it took someone this long to develop it. I was thinking about the same concept a decade ago.

Instead of much of the kinetic energy being expended straight upward, detonating underwater allows for much of that energy to be brought to bear on coastlines, as well as taking advantage of the higher propagation speed of pressure waves in water, meaning more serious impact.

When you consider how interlinked human civilization is with the water in coastal areas and port cities, it's actually a very good idea.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 24, 2018 8:20 PM  

As a nuclear delivery system, a torpedo isn't bad. There are reports the Soviets deployed nuclear torpedoes as city-busters in the early 1960s.

But this unmanned sub? Dubious. Putin is putting on a show. The Russians have had an incredibly hard time developing weapons beyond what we had circa 1990. And autonomous vehicles are incredibly hard.

Blogger sykes.1 April 24, 2018 8:21 PM  

OK. Here in North Central Ohio we are 1100 feet above sea level, so the Russkies can go for it as far as I am concerned. I do have relatives in New Hampshire and Massachusetts (pray for them), but the wave won't get to them either. Of course, they would show up on my doorstep, and I would have to pick and choose whom to let in, but that's another problem.

Blogger Steve April 24, 2018 8:38 PM  

Sounds like bollocks to me, and I'll tell you for why:

* The papers are claiming it carries a 50-100 megaton warhead (!!!). So it's supposedly equal to one or two Tsar Bombas - the largest nuclear device ever explodinated.

Which would be concerning, if it was plausible. But is it? A 50 megaton device is going to be a big, heavy nuke. Stick that on what is essentially a glorified torpedo, and - assuming the thing doesn't instantly sink - it's likely to be some combination of slow, noisy, or short ranged, and not the super-fast long range magic flux capacitor stealth bullet the press is claiming.

When you do five minutes of Googling, you find the original claim of 50 BAJILLATONS actually came from some Russian TV show. Might as well ask the ancient aliens guy on the History Channel what he thinks.

* The Mail quotes an "expert" who says a 50 megaton nuke could duplicate the watery carnage of the Fukushima earthquake. But this is also suspect. Mag 9 earthquakes release orders of magnitude more energy than even a bloody great nuke of the size we're talking about.

* Even if we do believe the "expert", the 2011 tsunami "only" killed 15,000 Japs. By comparison, Little Boy instantly killed something like 80,000 Hiroshimites. So I'm not sure why the Rooskies would want to bother with a (likely) far less lethal delivery system on their limited military budget. Russia is already struggling to afford decent numbers of their shiny new MBT's, for example. It's not as if flooding NYC is a safer option from the point of view of NATO retaliation than just vaporising it.

* What do you do if it breaks down at sea? One of the benefits of SLBM's, in addition to being inherently more lethal, safer, and able to launch from anywhere on the planet (as opposed to having to sneak far into US territorial waters before you can threaten US soil) is that you've got a bunch of Ivans with spanners and cans of WD-40 inside to spot and hopefully fix the inevitable technical problems. Not so easy with an underwater drone.

Now, this sort of thing could be a problem for US carrier groups. But probably not as much a problem as hypersonic missiles, and if it comes to the point where Pavel decides to blow up the USS Enterprise it's WW3 whichever way he chooses to do it.

The real message here is "back off, NATO". Which we should be doing anyway, killer drones or no.

Blogger dienw April 24, 2018 8:38 PM  

Can't say we haven't been warned for decades:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Russian+invasion+of+US+prophecies

https://unitedstatesprophecy.com/russia-will-attack-and-invade-america/

https://unitedstatesprophecy.com/visions-dreams-and-prophecies-for-america/

Blogger tuberman April 24, 2018 8:48 PM  

Time for ya'll to start you Cults, Apocalypse yesterday, today, and tomorrow, and also...real Soon Now. Hurry Alex has a big lead.

Blogger dienw April 24, 2018 8:48 PM  

Tidal Wave to Hit the Eastern Seaboard

Fall of 2005

I went into a deep sleep and had a dream I was on the boardwalk in Virginia Beach. It was night time and I think it was about 2:00 am. I put my foot up on the railing and was looking out over the ocean. There was what looked like a full moon on the horizon. I noticed just underneath the moon was a giant black wall on the horizon. The moon was reflecting white caps off the wall. As I stood there looking out into the Atlantic Ocean I realized that the white caps are from a massive tidal wave heading to shore. It was about 300 foot high. I felt the realization that it was too late to warn the people and the dream ended.

In the fall of the following year, 2006 I had the same dream again.

In January 2008, I had the same dream except this time I started running to peoples houses to wake them up and warn them, but it was too late.

I feel like this tidal wave is a real tidal wave that is going to hit the eastern seaboard. I also believe this tidal wave might represent in the spiritual, a tidal wave of satanic destruction that is coming to destroy the people.

To my amazement, in the months of April, May and June of this year (2008), I saw a group of people on the boardwalk in Virginia Beach anointing the railings and banisters with anointing oil. Even though I knew why they were doing this, I pretended like I was just curious and asked them. They told me they were anointing the banisters and railings for the whole Virginia Beach boardwalk because they had dreams that Virginia Beach was going to be hit with a giant tidal wave.

Revelation 18: 21 “Then a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “Thus with violence the great city Babylon shall be thrown down, and shall not be found anymore.”

I feel that this tidal wave will take place after the US has been invaded because Revelation 18:21 says that the angel will throw the millstone in the sea after Babylon is destroyed.

Read Revelation 8 and Revelation 18.

Blogger dienw April 24, 2018 8:55 PM  

Cataline Sergius wrote:I dare them!
I would also like to point out to the Russians at this time that we have even more inviting targets on the West Coast.


China will be invading the west coast.

Blogger tuberman April 24, 2018 9:01 PM  

73. dienw

Yep, Git moar bible quotes in there, and round you up any number of ladies first to git under your control, and the guys will follow, but make sure the ladies have sex only with you at first. Being a Prophet is the Keystone, and ya gots to talk likes a Prophet all times. Sometimes you talk real quiet like, so the ladies has to get close to listen up, then ya talks even quieter. Then ya BOOM out the message, like the spirit is talking in your ear.

Yeech!

Blogger Doug Cranmer April 24, 2018 9:44 PM  

Yes?

Blogger Harry Spitz April 24, 2018 9:44 PM  

Ummm.... Vox?
Detonating 50 megaton warheads off our coast IS thermonuclear war, an we would be completely justified in emptying our silos and missile subs back at the Sov, er, Russians.
Stupid as some of our policies are, neither nation should really want to go there.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 24, 2018 9:52 PM  

Russia doesn't want to go there. There's a substantial number of (((politically influential people))) in America that do want to go there.

Blogger pyrrhus April 24, 2018 9:53 PM  

@77 Obviously, this could only happen if the US started a nuclear war...The Russians aren't ruled by maniacs or drooling idiots, unlike the US which is ruled by neocons....

Blogger pyrrhus April 24, 2018 9:56 PM  

"Deplorables, the Russians have drowned the entire East Coast.But there is bad news too...."

Anonymous Anonymous April 24, 2018 9:59 PM  

What some of the naysayers don't appear to understand is that nuclear weapons are first and foremost, 'political' weapons.

There is 'almost' no chance that a nuclear war would occur between the US and the Russian Federation. But since the threat, however remote, exists these weapons become powerful political tools to influence the behavior of an opposing population.

It doesn't matter if they are practical or if a journalist replaced 'Kilo' with 'Mega'. What matters is the political influence the weapons can generate.

Russia is playing for time, because time is most definitely not on the United States' side.

--ZhukovG

Blogger Bogey April 24, 2018 10:20 PM  

@2 "Revelation 11:8 ... and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."


"And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."

Blogger ace April 24, 2018 10:35 PM  

I admit that scenes in disaster movies where major cities are destroyed now have a completely different kind of appeal to me. You can't deny the symbolism of the flood, either.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 24, 2018 11:10 PM  

We lack social cohesion as a result of decades of globalist policies.
It's possible that a conventional war with Russia would result in the unraveling of the country.
Russia might not enjoy the total military strength that we do, but they could cause massive casualties, by American standards.

Could the Neocons' really hold power after suburban moms and dads by the tens of thousands bury their sons, in just a six month period?
Also, would the vibrants accept the sacrifices in fuel and other commodities that might result from a prolonged war?
There's a lot more than the military situation, our government is similar to the Qing government in the 19th Century, ready to internally unravel at first sign of serious strain. We're bound for a civil war most likely no matter what. Adding in another foreign war, especially one with a serious opponent, might shatter things.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 24, 2018 11:13 PM  

It's funny to keep in mind that Russia is basically Cold Mexico (in population and GDP, plus 20%) with nukes.

Blogger Avalanche April 24, 2018 11:21 PM  

@68 " And autonomous vehicles are incredibly hard."

Ask any drone pilot?

Blogger Jack Amok April 24, 2018 11:35 PM  

My home town (northern CA coast, elevation about 20') has been a nuclear free zone since the 80's. The city council will need to amend that ordnance to also designate the city as nuclear tidal wave-free zone as well.

Blogger owlish April 25, 2018 12:08 AM  

It sounds stupid. If Russia has enough nukes to kill essentially every person in the US, why would I care about a tidal wave? And I can't imagine we wouldn't respond with nukes. But, would we do a nuclear retalitory strike, if an ally got hit with waves? A neutral party?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 25, 2018 1:01 AM  

Russia is economically what Mdxico could be, if the population had an average 105 IQ

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 1:22 AM  

@1

"Would be more than a little ironic, since they both openly talk about eliminating everyone else who lives in-between them ..."

...and per the bi-coastal perverts' anthem, WITH A FLOOD!

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 1:25 AM  

@2

"Revelation 11:8 ... and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

Not claiming a literal fulfillment of Revelation, but that did leap out at my pattern matcher."

That means 1/3 of the waters will become poisonous. Like when Moses turned the Nile into blood, and everything in it died.

Blogger Connie Chastain April 25, 2018 1:33 AM  

Plug up the Straits of Florida so the tsunami couldn't come into the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf Coast ain't like the left and East Coasts....

Blogger Connie Chastain April 25, 2018 1:36 AM  

Would the tsunami water be radioactive?

Blogger DaDZ April 25, 2018 1:55 AM  

I've a suggestion yo keep you all occupied. Learn to swim, learn to swim, learn to swim!

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 2:04 AM  

@8

"@3 Cataline Sergius
we have even more inviting targets on the West Coast.

I've heard LA called many, many things (cesspool?), but never inviting. Maybe "inviting" means something different in Russian?"

--
"Inviting Target" means "Something to be destroyed" not "someplace you want to visit or even live in"

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 2:10 AM  

@9

"The radical left play their games not really understanding, it seems, the dangers of baiting the Eagle in its tree, or the Bear overseas, as well. And, the Russian Bear may be the least dangerous of the two."

The American Eagle is the only one with expeditionary beachhead capabilities and the only one with significant trans-oceanic logistics capabilities.

WW1 caused the U.S. to develop trans-oceanic logistics doctrine, to a degree that no other nation ever approached. France used to have some (during their expansionistic Empire days), but that was when military technology was simpler -- black powder, lead ball, and paper cartridges can be made nearly anywhere, even by soldiers in contonement, or in camp, themselves.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 2:17 AM  

@17

"Such a weapon has no real military utility. That is to say, is would not impair our ability to wage war against the aggressor."

Destroying our ports -- the very base of the overseas logistics tail -- wouldn't have an ability to wage war against an aggressor?

What are you smoking?

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 2:23 AM  

@21

"You don't build a weapon like this unless you're weak."

Building a cheap and effective weapon does not imply weakness.

Building expensive and not-very effective weapons AFTER building all of the cheap and effective weapons, does, however, imply some level of strength.

Look, right now, Russian infantry companies are BETTER EQUIPPED than American infantry companies.

American companies typically equip each squad leader with a radio, set on short (~= 500m) range, using a telephone handset with push-to-talk.

As seen in Crimea, Russia is now equipping EACH RIFLEMAN with a two-radio, using hand-free headset technology. Not just Spetnaz. EVERY RIFLEMAN.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 2:25 AM  

"Neocons thought they had found a way around MAD and they could talk the rest of us into starting a war with Russia. MAD is back on the table."

The most beautiful part about this Russian development is that it's only effective against Neocon bastions, while leaving the rest of America alone.

(Yes, Chicongo is Marxist, but no Neocons live there).

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 2:27 AM  

@27

>> ""Seeing as the navy is one of the primary means of US projection of power... you're an idiot."

> Do you really think that ships in harbor are our principal means of retaliation to a surprise attack? We learned that lesson on December 7th. But don't listen to me- I only spent 3 decades as a front-line combatant."


When I was in Iraq, how do you think the supplies (from American factories) got from the U.S. to Iraq?

If you say, "Transatlantic Aircraft Flights," do NOT go to the back of the class -- just drop out of the school, and re-enroll in kindergarten.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 2:30 AM  

#34

"It has occurred to me that the Neocons would rather see the US lose, with millions of Americans killed, rather than voluntarily give up control. Sort of a Sampson option. After all, a US without the Neocons in control is a very formidable potential enemy."

If the Neocons lose control, their goes all of their Cheese Pizza, Hotdog stands, and all their other trafficking in international child abuse.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 2:42 AM  

@36

"A 50 megaton weapon is unlikely as that equals the approximate yield of the 'Tsar Bomba', largest nuke ever set off.

However a much smaller yield weapon, say 100 kt, set off in a harbor would be more than sufficient to destroy all the ships, facilities, and coastal neighborhoods."


As long as it's sufficient to destroy:

* The Hamptons
* The Upper East Side of Manhattan
* Georgetown, D.C.
* Portland
* the greater San Fransisco Bay area (**)
* The L.A. basin

Then it's good enough to completely destroy any continued hostility to the Bear. The Rest of America would like to see a resumption of the long-standing alliance with Russia that existed from shortly after the conclusion of the War for Independance, all the way up to the start of the Cold War. Russia's ocean-going navy was founded by none other than John Paul Jones -- he could not have possibly done such a thing if there were not already good relations between the Tsar and the President.



(**) including the hilltop residential areas -- (this might require a team of subs acting in unison, just outside of San Fransisco Bay)

(***) continuing up into the surrounding canyons enough to create a 1 mile barricade of mud, trees, and debris at the mouth of Laurel Canyon

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 2:44 AM  

@38

"Nevada would likely become the new coast line in the West and perhaps Alabama and Tennessee in the East."


Don't be daft. The coastline won't be under water for more than a couple of minutes. The only difference will be the loss of millions of anti-Americans of various and sundry citizenship (including native-born).

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 2:46 AM  

@39

"I don’t think the fallout is less and given radioactivity would then be carried by ocean currents, rather han eventually dropping to the earth, I suspect the irradiated areas would be much larger."

Water is a neutron absorber. Salt water even moreso.

Any fallout will sink to the bottom of the ocean, where it will be harmless (the wildlife in and around Chernobyl is thriving.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 3:01 AM  

@44

"And Missouri would still be landlocked. *sigh*

I do feel for the real Americans on both coasts though."

Rear-guard actions sacrifice brave soldiers to save the army they were detached from.

In this case, the 100% loss of a rear-guard unit composed primarily of spies, saboteurs, sad-sacks, and morale-destroyers is a net-gain, even if the event is not a desperate battle, but a mere training exercise.


Remember this --
"Exercise Tiger, or Operation Tiger, was the code name for one in a series of large-scale rehearsals for the D-Day invasion of Normandy, which took place on Slapton Sands or Slapton Beach in Devon. Coordination and communication problems resulted in friendly fire deaths during the exercise, and an Allied convoy positioning itself for the landing was attacked by E-boats of Nazi Germany's Kriegsmarine, resulting in the deaths of 946 American servicemen.[1][2][3] Because of the impending invasion, the incident was under the strictest secrecy at the time and was only nominally reported afterward. As a result, Exercise Tiger has been called "forgotten.""


https://infogalactic.com/info/Exercise_Tiger

How many training deaths was a successful D-Day landing worth?
EVERY ONE OF THEM.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 3:02 AM  

@45

"Not concerned about Russian nukes. They're sane.
Iran, on the other hand, just has to build a dozen to destroy most of the major ports in America. They can deliver them with container ships. And Iran's leaders actively seek the end of days."

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 3:06 AM  

@57

"Utter Bullshit. Putin is sore because Trump just kicked his rump on the world stage."

You really, REALLY aren't tall enough for this ride.

Go back to pollinating flowers. It's what you're good at.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 4:36 AM  

@63

Air is a compressible fluid, and therefore, NOT a good medium for transmitting a shockwave.

Water is an INCOMPRESSIBLE fluid, and therefore, is an EXCELLANT medium for transmitting a shockwave. It also has the additional advantage of substantial mass and momentum.

I'm sure you've stood outside in a 30-mile per hour wind at one time or another in your life. The occassional bit of small flying debris can be annoying, but it's not anywhere approaching difficult.

I doubt you've EVER managed to stay standing in a current of water in a 6 mph current.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 4:39 AM  

@68

"But this unmanned sub? Dubious. Putin is putting on a show. The Russians have had an incredibly hard time developing weapons beyond what we had circa 1990. And autonomous vehicles are incredibly hard."

Telemetry can be done via sonar instead of radio waves. This isn't as hard as you think. Skeleton crew to get the thing into position. Crew transfers off onto controller sub some tens of miles before going into position. Can be accomplished underwater.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 4:42 AM  

@70

" it's likely to be some combination of slow, noisy, or short ranged, and not the super-fast long range magic flux capacitor stealth bullet the press is claiming."

So?

Seriously, so what.

Let's suppose it's noisy as hell, kicks up a visible wake, and travels at only 10 knots.

And it's fired from a position 30 nautical miles from NYC.

There are absolutely NO ASW assets (capable of destroying it) that could arrive in time before the thing blows up. NYC doesn't have a naval yard any more.

Blogger VD April 25, 2018 4:47 AM  

It's funny to keep in mind that Russia is basically Cold Mexico (in population and GDP, plus 20%) with nukes.

Cold, smart Mexico. If the Mexicans were as smart as the Russians, the cartels would already rule the American southwest.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 4:51 AM  

@70

"When you do five minutes of Googling, you find the original claim of 50 BAJILLATONS actually came from some Russian TV show. Might as well ask the ancient aliens guy on the History Channel what he thinks."

Probably true


"* The Mail quotes an "expert" who says a 50 megaton nuke could duplicate the watery carnage of the Fukushima earthquake. But this is also suspect. Mag 9 earthquakes release orders of magnitude more energy than even a bloody great nuke of the size we're talking about."

Also true. But most of the energy involved in shaking the crust all the way down to 7-15 miles beneath the surface is essentially wasted. Putting a smaller amount of energy, of which 50% moves water in the direction you want it to do so, with a TREMENDOUS amount of momentum and essentially zero resistance, on the other hand, is very efficient.


"* Even if we do believe the "expert", the 2011 tsunami "only" killed 15,000 Japs. By comparison, Little Boy instantly killed something like 80,000 Hiroshimites. So I'm not sure why the Rooskies would want to bother with a (likely) far less lethal delivery system on their limited military budget. Russia is already struggling to afford decent numbers of their shiny new MBT's, for example. It's not as if flooding NYC is a safer option from the point of view of NATO retaliation than just vaporising it."

Japan has EXTREMELY steep coastlines. Once a tidal wave has to go UPHILL, it quickly loses all effect, as kinetic energy is converted into gravitational-potential energy. The converstion from gravitational-potential energy back to kinetic energy is relatively slow. The vast majority of damage in a tidal wave is caused during the incoming wave, not the flow-back. Flowback only causes erosive damage, but none of the hammering that the incoming wave dishes out.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 4:57 AM  

@70

"
* What do you do if it breaks down at sea? One of the benefits of SLBM's, in addition to being inherently more lethal, safer, and able to launch from anywhere on the planet (as opposed to having to sneak far into US territorial waters before you can threaten US soil) is that you've got a bunch of Ivans with spanners and cans of WD-40 inside to spot and hopefully fix the inevitable technical problems. Not so easy with an underwater drone."

The primary mechanical point of failure in an SLBM is the rocket itself.

Torpedoes are very simple.

Mechanically, Nuclear weapons are even simpler (the complexity is getting the design of the explosive charges (and the electronics that synchronize the detonation of those charges) right. Those are essentially "build and forget" -- they don't need maintenance.


As far as noisy subs. Russian subs aren't noisy any more. Back in the late 1980's, some moronic Japanese sold the Soviets a 5-axis milling machine capable of shaping HUGE propellers. U.S. Navy was absolutely apopleptic about it, but couldn't do anything, because by the time the sale was discovered, the damn thing had already been delivered. We're just lucky that it wasn't long after that Russian President Boris Yeltsin realized that he could single-handedly destroy the Soviet Union government, by just pulling Russia out of the USSR.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 5:01 AM  

@75

"
Yep, Git moar bible quotes in there, and round you up any number of ladies first to git under your control, and the guys will follow, but make sure the ladies have sex only with you at first. Being a Prophet is the Keystone, and ya gots to talk likes a Prophet all times. Sometimes you talk real quiet like, so the ladies has to get close to listen up, then ya talks even quieter. Then ya BOOM out the message, like the spirit is talking in your ear."

Sounds like you've done this before.

How many sex cults have you headed up in your lifetime?

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 5:04 AM  

"Russia doesn't want to go there. There's a substantial number of (((politically influential people))) in America that do want to go there."

(((They))) are still butthurt that their (((co-religionists who hijacked Russia in 1917))) were kicked out of, and completely stripped of all power in Russia. All they have left are they not-very-threatening shells of Ukraine and Belorussia.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 5:09 AM  

@85

"It's funny to keep in mind that Russia is basically Cold Mexico (in population and GDP, plus 20%) with nukes."

Russia has the advantage of literally not NEEDING any foreign trade. That's one of the reasons that the Russians have never had a navy any larger than what's needed for coastal defense (and in the nuclear era, long range ballistic missile subs for retaliatory purposes to keep MAD deterrent strategy relevant). This is why when the (((Soviets))) exported Communist Revolution, they did so to utterly meaningless places (Nicaragua, El Salvador, various African countries with no strategic mineral resources, etc.)

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 5:13 AM  

"It sounds stupid. If Russia has enough nukes to kill essentially every person in the US, why would I care about a tidal wave? And I can't imagine we wouldn't respond with nukes. But, would we do a nuclear retalitory strike, if an ally got hit with waves? A neutral party?"

Q: Why did Trump "MISSILE ATTACK THE RUSSIANS IN SYRIA!!!!" by coordinating things with the Russians 2 days in advance, and then concentrate on CLOWN-asset targets?

A: Destruction of mutual enemies.

We've done Putin a favor in Syria... perhaps he would do US a favor by removing NEOCONS from the voting, governance, and financial pools.

If Wall Street got knocked out in a tidal wave, most of the U.S. wouldn't notice in the slightest, and many would benefit (that loan you got from NYC-based bank? No longer collectible, as the lender no longer exists).

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 5:18 AM  

@93

"Would the tsunami water be radioactive?"

No. Most of the water in a tidal wave displaces no more than a few feet, especially at the point of origin.

The only water which moves a considerable distance is that water which is in the last couple thousand feet of the shoreline.

As for the radioactivity involved in an underwater nuclear explosion -- it's nothing for anyone, or anything to concern itself with, unless you happen to be an animal living in a underwater vent ecosystem underneath the explosion -- in which case, heavy metals in your local water *might* cause some problems. Radiation on the bottom of the ocean is nothing to worry about in the slightest. It eventually gets subducted back into the mantle anyways.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 5:21 AM  

@111

>>It's funny to keep in mind that Russia is basically Cold Mexico (in population and GDP, plus 20%) with nukes.

> Cold, smart Mexico. If the Mexicans were as smart as the Russians, the cartels would already rule the American southwest.

--

What's the national game of the U.S? Poker
What's the national game of Russia? Chess
What's the natioinal game of Mexico? Try to whack the pinata after being spun around in circles until dizzy while blindfolded. It's NOT a game of skill.

Blogger Steve April 25, 2018 6:20 AM  

Dirk Manly - good points.

I'm thinking the actual strategic value of a weapon like this is next to zero (given the existence of more effective delivery systems and that any underwater detonation will invite the same retaliatory response as an ICBM strike).

The political value is more than zero, both for domestic Russian consumption and possibly to give Western politicians something to think about.

So I reckon the smart play by Russia is to never actually build a 50 megaton drone, but say they did.

Blogger Patrikbc April 25, 2018 6:20 AM  

But muh beach house!

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 7:20 AM  

@121

Precisely!

Who owns the ocean-front properties?

Most usually, those on the very tippy-top of the national politico-economic pyramid.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 25, 2018 7:21 AM  

The message is quite clearly:

We can destroy YOUR personal wealth, while leaving the vast majority of your countrymen completely unmolested.

Blogger MattyIce April 25, 2018 10:58 AM  

"On the plus side, the prospect of having both coasts submerged underwater is considerably better than thermonuclear war. Indeed, one could quite credibly argue that the American nation would be better off without either of them."

I live on the west coast, 10 minutes from the beach, and I couldn't agree more.

Anonymous Anonymous April 25, 2018 11:42 AM  

But muh beach house!

Govt subsidized flood insurance means people pay the same rates for cash payouts for houses on stilts on beaches as being on the top of a mountain.

I double dog dare them to wipe our New York, Boston and Washington DC.

Make sure you have enough waves past DC for Baltimore & Philly

That is to say, is would not impair our ability to wage war against the aggressor."

Every ship in port or shallow water would be miles inland when it was over.

Blogger Almodavar April 25, 2018 12:38 PM  

"Experts say a 50 megaton underwater nuclear bomb would be able to create tsunami waves reaching more than 320ft - the 'Status-6' is allegedly able to carry a 100 megaton warhead."

That's BS. Even a 100 megaton nuke won't move the needle. The 2011 Japan earthquake unleashed the equivalent of 9000 GIGAtons.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 25, 2018 1:14 PM  

Almodavar wrote:Even a 100 megaton nuke won't move the needle.
It doesn't have to move the needle. It just has to move the water. And 100 MT will definitely move the water.

Anonymous Anonymous April 25, 2018 2:40 PM  

> Indeed, one could quite credibly argue that the American nation would be better off without either of them.

In related news, North Korea's nukes could possibly reach as far south as Austalia's Gold Coast.

Anonymous Anonymous April 25, 2018 7:32 PM  

Could and allegedly. Assuming that Russia has this magical weapon, it wouldn't matter. Even if our coasts were submerged, Moscow and other major Russian cities would be in ruins, and the existence of the human race facing extinction. There isn't any credible argument for any person, or nation, or coastline (East or West) for that matter, to be obliterated off the face of the earth, with tens of millions of white people in particular perishing.

Is that how the Alt Right will come to power?

Blogger Ken Prescott April 25, 2018 8:52 PM  

"Actually it's quite effective, and I'm surprised it took someone this long to develop it. I was thinking about the same concept a decade ago."

It leaves a very high yield nuclear weapon running around in the world ocean for months without any personnel to handle minor issues such as possible theft or mechanical breakdown, it has command and control issues that are at least as bad as the more idiotic MX/Peacekeeper basing ideas from the 1970s (and those were jaw-droppingly stupid mostly because of the C2 problems that inhered to those proposals), it costs way more and takes much longer than simply building a few more Topol-Ms (massive up-front RDT&E costs for years on-end vs. much more modest additional costs for materials and labor that are charged off in the fiscal year of procurement), and it doesn't do anything that can't be done by a Topol-M--in other words, there isn't any actual benefit to the damn thing.

Blogger Peter April 25, 2018 9:29 PM  

This conversation.. as much as i enjoy the fantasy of washington dc being washed away, is simply silly. Its just trolling. The Russians are smart, they would never do such a thing and hopefully someone on our side is as smart. Its unlikely the Russias would start it...but i do worry about wagging the dog on our side as there will be a strong desire to draw attention soon away from domestic problems.

Blogger Stephen April 26, 2018 2:45 AM  

In 2000 there I watched a Horizon documentary about mega tsunamis and how the how half an island La Palma in the canaries could slit off and fall in to the ocean and create a mega tsunami that would wipe out the US East coast and a lot of coastal Europe. If so then a bunker buster nuke on that island could do a lot of damage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6utAunBKXV4

QUoTE "Which would be concerning, if it was plausible. But is it? A 50 megaton device is going to be a big, heavy nuke. Stick that on what is essentially a glorified torpedo, and - assuming the thing doesn't instantly sink - it's likely to be some combination of slow, noisy, or short ranged, and not the super-fast long range magic flux capacitor stealth bullet the press is claiming."

The Tsar bomba was air droped, anything that can be flow is easier to float. Think less glorified torpedo and more unmanned minisub. One source said it was powered be a radio isotope generator so is powered is peltiers transferring heat from a nuclear sample to the sea with no moving parts. The only moving part would be the electric propeller and rudders that would be much quieter and stealthy than any manned submarine. And unmanned is not hard just the liability insurance.

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