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Saturday, April 14, 2018

False flag proven

The double poisoning in the UK was not the Russians nor was the toxin utilized the one originally claimed by the British foreign office, according to a top Swiss lab:
The substance used on Sergei Skripal was an agent called BZ, according to Swiss state Spiez lab, the Russian foreign minister said. The toxin was never produced in Russia, but was in service in the US, UK, and other NATO states.

Sergei Skripal, a former Russian double agent, and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with an incapacitating toxin known as 3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate or BZ, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said, citing the results of the examination conducted by a Swiss chemical lab that worked with the samples that London handed over to the Organisation for the Prohibition of the Chemical Weapons (OPCW).

The Swiss center sent the results to the OPCW. However, the UN chemical watchdog limited itself only to confirming the formula of the substance used to poison the Skripals in its final report without mentioning anything about the other facts presented in the Swiss document, the Russian foreign minister added. He went on to say that Moscow would ask the OPCW about its decision to not include any other information provided by the Swiss in its report.

The Swiss center mentioned by Lavrov is the Spiez Laboratory controlled by the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Protection and ultimately by the country’s defense minister. The lab is also an internationally recognized center of excellence in the field of the nuclear, biological, and chemical protection and is one of the five centers permanently authorized by the OPCW.

The Russian foreign minister said that London refused to answer dozens of “very specific” questions asked by Moscow about the Salisbury case, as well as to provide any substantial evidence that could shed light on the incident. Instead, the UK accused Russia of failing to answer its own questions, he said, adding that, in fact, London did not ask any questions but wanted Moscow to admit that it was responsible for the delivery of the chemical agent to the UK.
Now, why would the British government be lying about this and why would it want to provoke a confrontation with Russia on a false basis in the first place?

75 comments:

  1. pants around ankles comes to mind regarding this whole affair, also the gas attack in Syria (both of them) will needed to be thoroughly investigated to see if the brits (or some other NATO country) did those as well

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  2. Whoever used the toxin in the UK needs a full refund....wherever it was obtained. They used it to kill two people and neither one died. Must be pretty crummy poison or they did not follow the directions. Surely, an outfit like the Russian Federation security services would pick a poison that would actually work.

    I smell the same horse pucky in Syria. The last time there was a "chemical attack" on civilians, the toxin was traced back to a British manufacturer....part of a stock that was provided to Libya and "fell into the wrong hands" after the government was deposed. No doubt a certain number of non-chemical weapons also migrated from Libya to rebel forces in Syria (and elsewhere as needed).

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  3. Keystone Kops, Chemical Warfare Edition

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  4. The Britain Caliphate wouldn’t be the ones fighting. The whole thing seems like an attempt to drag the USA into a war with Russia, proxy or otherwise. Hopefully Trump stops at tossing a few missiles like he did last year. So far, that seems to be the case. His tweet this morning with the “Mission Accomplished” troll seems like he knows getting tangled up in the region is a terrible idea.

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  5. The Brits have done something VERRAH VERRAH BAD to the pooch!!

    (And, if it's a puppy, does that make them doubly pedo?!)

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  6. What in the world is Theresa May doing? London has a higher murder rate than NYC, it just went public thousands of more girls have been groomed and raped in another northern town and she still hasn't delivered on Brexit. All this and she's trying to start a war with Russia while her country doesn't have a military at all? Does she want her country to die?

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    1. Do you really want an answer to that question?

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    2. The (((Chameleons))) who run Britain and the West want us to die. They've looted the West to bankruptcy and are now focusing on their Asian hosts. They need the West destroyed to cover up their crimes and to forestall retribution once everyone has realised their game.

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  7. Now, why would the British government be lying about this and why would it want to provoke a confrontation with Russia on a false basis in the first place?

    Answer--Theresa May was unpopular, so she needed to gin up a foreign enemy to raise her ratings, as did Maggie Thatcher with the Falklands "war"..

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    1. It won't work this time though; the public no longer trust politicians, can't think why.

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  8. Could it be similar to WWII? the goyz are misbehaving, so it's time to use hoaxes & false flags to organize a mass slaughter among gentile nations that resist the NWO, while the perpetrators claim victimhood and downplay & obfuscate crimes against the true victims.

    Generals Patton and Van Horn Moseley clearly described what happened. Are you going to trust them or Hollyjood?


    Major General George Van Horn Moseley told the National Defense Meeting that Jewish bankers had financed the Russian Revolution and that "The war now proposed is for the purposes of establishing Jewish hegemony throughout the world." He said that Jews controlled the media and might soon control the federal government.[10]

    In June 1939, Moseley testified for five hours before the House Un-American Activities Committee. He said that a Jewish Communist conspiracy was about to seize control of the U.S. government.

    When Major General George Van Horn Moseley retired last year, with a roar at the New Deal (TIME, Oct. 10), he sounded like a U. S. Army officer who at last could say what he thought. Roaring around the country since then, he has made sounds something like a U. S. Fascist. Last week, George Moseley finally made sounds that could not be mistaken:
    He: 1) denounced Jews; 2) declared that the next war would be fought for their benefit; 3) rasped at Franklin Roosevelt...
    http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,760974,00.html

    "We pay great attention to the breeding of our hogs, our dogs, our horses, and our cattle, but we are just beginning to realize the ... effects of absorbing objectionable blood in our breed of human beings. The pages of history give us the tragic stories of one-time leading nations which ... imported manpower of an inferior kind and then ... intermarried with this inferior stock. ... Those nations have either passed out of separate existence entirely, or have remained as decadent entities without influence in world affairs."

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    1. Thanks for the info about this guy. Learning more about him will be fun.

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  9. British toxin. So 007's been a bad boy.

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  10. Maybe Skripal and his daughter ordered the Spotted Dick. The real cover up is British food is awful.

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  11. Now, why would the British government be lying about this and why would it want to provoke a confrontation with Russia on a false basis in the first place?

    The most likely reason is that the people attempting to engineer this conflict want to stop BREXIT.

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  12. "why would it want to provoke a confrontation with Russia"

    Oh, easy. Conflict makes systems less orderly and stable, and less orderly and/or stable systems are much easier to exploit.

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  13. So, sounds like time to drop a daisy cutter on Putin's last known. After warning him in advance.

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  14. So, the human equivalents of jackals are at work, manipulating the big animals to bleed each other so the jackals can come in and clean the meat off the corpses.

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  15. Arthur Isaac,

    That statement was one of the dumbest things ever said here.

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    1. @LAARP/Animal Mother

      I'm not the one making apologies for theatrics after false flags. That's all on your side.

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  16. The characteristic that makes BZ an incapacitating rather than a toxic chemical warfare agent is its high safety margin

    If you want to use it for a false flag it eliminates the possibility of killing your own citizens.

    Some needs to leak the rest of the report. It is now incumbent on Rt Hon Jeremy Corbyn MP to demand to see the rest of the report and continually hammer May on this point in Parliament.

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  17. While Robert and Peter are trying to stab each other, no one's going to notice you going through their houses, stealing all their valuables and signing their titles over.

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  18. Gas chambers have worked 70 years, including in Iraq. It’s (((their))) most proven meme.

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  19. Former UK Ambassador Craig Murray has some thoughts.

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  20. Turns out there was chemical weapons at one of the major sites bombed in Syria, but who put them there?

    Clown Site!

    North Korean's in Syria at this site? Article from Feburary. Link: citifmonline . com/2018/02/28/north-korea-providing-materials-syria-chemical-weapons-factories/

    The Barzeh Scientific Research Centre (Target in strike) is part of the SSRC network in Syria. The SSRC is headed by Amr Najib Armanazi, whose brother is Ghayth who was Head of the London Mission of the Arab League (MI5 Connection).

    Ghayth Armanazi who is the brother of the head of the SSRC (site that was bombed at Barzeh/Alleged site of chemical weapon development) Amr Armanazi, was Head of the London Mission of the Arab League from 92-00. He worked for the Foreign Ministry of the UAE.

    We now know that the Armanazi family has provable ties to British intelligence and MI5. The SSRC is allegedly responsible for developing and stockpiling chemical weapons for Assad, Amr is responsible for the SSRC.

    The purpose of these findings were connecting the Barzeh site that was destroyed by Allied Strikes to American and British intelligence Agencies like MI5 and CIA. This site was used by clowns (North Korea/ CIA-MI5) and dark forces, not by Syrians!!!!

    There were soldiers and civilians killed there too, mainly Hezbollah and Iranians.

    Is this one of the places that McCain went back into on his secretive March 27 trip to Syria?

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  21. This shows the fallout from having untrustworthy allies (including our own Intel Agencies). Russia now has as much or even more credibility than UK (even our own CIA/FBI/Stat). That being said, when you cannot trust anyone, your best bet is doing what is best for you (ie. POTUS and the US), F... them all. Trust is earned not handed out like candy.

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  22. Don't the intelligence services of the US and UK realize that no one believes a word they say anymore? Who do they think they are fooling?

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  23. @8

    The Argies did that all on their own.

    Thatcher was just the lucky beneficiary.

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  24. remember that child molesting fag from earlier in the week, who claimed that it was perfectly obvious that Assad and only Assad had an interest in gassing Syrians?

    yeah.

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  25. Can't be BZ.
    BZ is a hallucinogenic agent, sometimes mixed with CS. It is not lethal.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3340693/t/bz-its-history-symptoms-effects/#.WtJYc4jwa70

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  26. "Now, why would the British government be lying about this and why would it want to provoke a confrontation with Russia on a false basis in the first place?"

    Or, alternatively:

    Now, why would the Isreali government be secretly doing this and why would it want to provoke a confrontation between us and Russia on a false basis in the first place?

    I give it a 50/50 as to which is the correct question.

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  27. The fact that it wasn't polonium was a red flag it wasn't the Russians. Its their go to method.

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  28. dvdivx wrote:The fact that it wasn't polonium was a red flag it wasn't the Russians. Its their go to method.
    And the moron self-identifies.

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  29. It's all plan C. Clinton didn't get elected, NORK is no longer controlled by the globalist/Rothchild group, so their planned depopulation event has gone off the rails.

    So jolly olde England must step into the breach in an attempt to trigger the great cleansing. Not a far stretch since they are one of the home bases for the NWO anyway.

    Q keeps saying that this is a WW (world-wide) problem that needs to be rooted out.

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  30. “The fact that it wasn't polonium was a red flag it wasn't the Russians. Its their go to method.”

    Oy vey, and in such small portions!

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  31. 31. Harry Spitz April 14, 2018 3:37 PM
    It is not lethal.


    if you could please count for us the number of people KILLED in the London gas attack, i would much appreciate it.

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  32. @31

    Can't be BZ.
    BZ is a hallucinogenic agent, sometimes mixed with CS. It is not lethal.


    That is the point. It was not supposed to be lethal, just serve propaganda purposes. As Putin said the day after it happened, if it was a weaponised agent they would be dead, not incapacitated.

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  33. While I keep forgetting why gas attacks are so much worse than blowing people up, I get why they capture attention. People have WMD nightmare scenarios in their heads, with entire cities made ghost towns without touching the infrastructure.

    But why these exotic poisonings? Wouldn't it be as effective to walk up and shoot them in the back, Seth Rich-style? That frightens me more than getting radiation sickness and recovering.

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  34. Obviously the Skripal's were an accident or miss-direction. It was the cat they were after.

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    1. > It was the cat they were after.

      Well, cats do actually run the world. Just ask one.

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  35. @13- That's the Hegel/Marx conspiracy theory model. Makes perfect sense.

    There's that saying, "Never let a crisis go to waste." Also, the Chinese word for "crisis" allegedly contains "opportunity." I don't trust that to be true, but people want to believe it for a reason. You can get much done in a crisis.

    Look how much was accomplished in the 20th century when the Nazis and commies were propped up and sicced on eachother.

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  36. Stg58/Animal Mother
    Maybe Skripal and his daughter ordered the Spotted Dick. The real cover up is British food is awful.

    The only food that gets harder the longer you chew it.

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  37. @27- People will choose to believe when it fits their purposes. For instance, suddenly the left was buddy-buddy with the "intelligence community" after Trump was elected. And, to a lesser extent, after the Snowden revelations because Obama happened to be president.

    They don't have the mystique and authority they once did, of course. But they still have their uses.

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  38. Apparently Deep State Swamp gas is one of the most lethal chemical agents known to mankind. Too bad it is not listed as a banned substance.

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  39. What kind of incompetent conspiracy poisons two people with a Western chemical agent, claims it's a Russian one, then turns it over to a Swiss lab that will prove their claims are bogus?

    Well, maybe they figured their shrieks for blood in the direct aftermath would've led to irrevocable action before the Swiss got ahold of the stuff.

    All a reminder, don't respond quickly to other's actions. Save your rapid action for when they respond to your moves.

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  40. Since the UK hasn't an armed forces capable of dealing with the Russians, it is more than a little difficult to understand the reasoning behind a "false flag" attack. Especially since given the frosty reception of the UK's ruling class to President Trump and other fairly obvious indicators form the President on how he viewed confrontations outside of clear American interests, drawing the United States into some sort of confrontation was a pretty desperate "hail mary" play.

    And of course the Russians have a long history of conducting kidnappings and assassinations of Russians perceived to be enemies of the State. Given the degraded condition of the UK and most of the West these days, it wasn't like the Russians would be running a real risk by attacking an enemy where they could reach them (and sending a strong message to other real and potential opponents of the Russian regime).

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    1. @Thucydides- Britain had no chance (after a certain point) to beat Germany in World War II, but they doubled down after Dunkirk.

      That's because the plan was to rely on the U.S. mainly and Russia also, then to run the world through or over them.

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  41. from article:

    "The lab is also an internationally recognized center of excellence in the field of the nuclear, biological, and chemical protection and is one of the five centers permanently authorized by the OPCW."

    First thought going through a marxist/globalist mind: convergence target identified.

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  42. Speaking of convergence, Molyneux offers an excellent summary of the process (in this case, in tech companies). Begins at the 17:00 mark.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9f_BHVCxv8

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  43. What kind of incompetent conspiracy poisons two people with a Western chemical agent, claims it's a Russian one, then turns it over to a Swiss lab that will prove their claims are bogus?

    @47 Jack Amok
    An excessively arrogant one who thinks they're the Masters of the Universe.

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  44. 47. Jack Amok April 14, 2018 5:21 PM
    What kind of incompetent conspiracy



    that's obvious enough.

    a conspiracy run by the likes of Hillary Clinton, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Theresa May and their ilk.


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  45. Dirk Manly wrote:@8

    The Argies did that all on their own.

    Thatcher was just the lucky beneficiary.


    Yes.

    Learn the lesson.

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  46. Muslims are going to turn all of Europe including UK against Israel.

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  47. tublecane wrote:@Thucydides- Britain had no chance (after a certain point) to beat Germany in World War II, but they doubled down after Dunkirk.

    That's because the plan was to rely on the U.S. mainly and Russia also, then to run the world through or over them.


    No. Don't be a moron.

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  48. that's obvious enough.

    a conspiracy run by the likes of Hillary Clinton, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Theresa May and their ilk.


    I used to think those dolts were the tools of the real masterminds behind the conspiracy, but...

    Maybe the real masterminds all died or were levered out of power by their ambitious-but-dumb underlings, and the Clintons, Pelosis, Mays and Merkels of the world ended up in charge. It happens to companies all the time - HP was pretty competent when Hewlett and Packard were in charge, but after they left the scene it went badly down hill.

    So, heh. The Useful Idiots inherited the scam.

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  49. Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:Arthur Isaac,

    That statement was one of the dumbest things ever said here.


    STG58, don't commit like that until you review some of the other stuff he's said recently.

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  50. The Petro dollar is on the way out elites are scrambling to save it if nuclear war is the only way to save it on be it they don't care want to save the lifestyle at any cost

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  51. Problem: BZ is not a lethal agent, nor is it anything close to one--but it damn near killed all three persons exposed, and may yet do so.

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  52. For someone who calls himself Thucydides, Thucydides seems awfully ignorant of history.

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  53. @59: Pelosis sounds like a disease. Maybe it is.

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  54. Pelosis sounds like a disease. Maybe it is.

    Well, it's looking like the Pelosis disease has just about run it's course and we'll be free of it soon. Unfortunately, it appears to have left us susceptible to a bout of Kamala.

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  55. STG58, don't commit like that until you review some of the other stuff he's said recently.

    Ominous, your primary genius is obsequiousness, thank you for your opinion.



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  56. Problem: BZ is not a lethal agent, nor is it anything close to one--but it damn near killed all three persons exposed, and may yet do so.

    Which we know because the media tells us so.

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  57. @57- Read Churchill's Finest Hour speech again. He outright begs America to come bail him out. It's not even subtext.

    Britain's most vital effort in that war was the propaganda campaign their intelligence ran in this country.

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  58. Imagine how much better the wold would be if Churchill had just accepted Hitler's offer of peace.

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  59. Now, why would the British government be lying about this and why would it want to provoke a confrontation with Russia on a false basis in the first place?

    Are (((they))) finished with their toy, and now breaking it?

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  60. Spiez Labs comment on Twitter:

    "Only OPCW can comment this assertion. But we can repeat what we stated 10 days ago: We have no doubt that Porton Down has identified Novichock. PD - like Spiez - is a designated lab of the OPCW. The standards in verification are so rigid that one can trust the findings. #Skipal"

    https://twitter.com/SpiezLab/status/985243574123057152

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  61. @69- No Holocaust, no Cold War, no U.N.

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  62. @71

    That sounds like "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

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  63. "That sounds like "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!""

    No, it sounds like the lab is saying "That's not what we reported, thank you kindly."

    The odd part is that the jumping up and down, screeching, and carrying on over "FALSE FLAG!" has one interesting side effect: everyone doing said jumping and screeching is effectively acknowledging that IF Syrian forces did use nerve gas, then it's under jus gentium and not a merely internal affair.

    Interesting. Like maybe some allegedly intelligent people aren't quite thinking through the second-order effects of their rhetoric.

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