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Monday, April 23, 2018

In defense of the Deep State

Even its proponents are now admitting its existence and are worrying that it might have gone too far:
America doesn’t have coups or tanks in the street. But a deep state of sorts exists here and it includes national security bureaucrats who use secretly collected information to shape or curb the actions of elected officials.

Some see these American bureaucrats as a vital check on the law-breaking or authoritarian or otherwise illegitimate tendencies of democratically elected officials. Others decry them as a self-serving authoritarian cabal that illegally and illegitimately undermines democratically elected officials and the policies they were elected to implement.

The truth is that the deep state, which is a real phenomenon, has long been both a threat to democratic politics and a savior of it. The problem is that it is hard to maintain its savior role without also accepting its threatening role. The two go hand in hand, and are difficult to untangle.

The deep state has been blamed for many things since Donald Trump became president, including by the president himself. Trump defenders have used the term promiscuously to include not just intelligence bureaucrats but a broader array of connected players in other administrative bureaucracies, in private industry, and in the media.

But even if we focus narrowly on the intelligence bureaucracies that conduct and use information collected secretly in the homeland, including the FBI, National Security Agency (NSA), and National Security Council, there is significant evidence that the deep state has used secretly collected information opportunistically and illegally to sabotage the president and his senior officials – either as part of a concerted movement or via individuals acting more or less independently.

As deep state officials get a taste for the power that inheres in the selective revelation of such information, and if the leaks are not responded to with severe punishments, it is easy to imagine the tools that brought down Flynn being used in other contexts by national security bureaucrats with different commitments and interests.

Even the most severe critics of Trump should worry about this subtle form of anti-democratic abuse. The big loser in all this will probably be the national security bureaucracy itself and, to the extent it is weakened, the security of the American people.
This is just a Stage One admission. "Yes, it's real, but it's not that bad, and besides, it means well." That means we still have a few stages to go before everyone understands that the Deep State is the Praetorian Guard of New Babel, acting to preserve the secrets and the rule of the the elite Satanist pedophiles.

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Anonymous Anonymous April 23, 2018 11:10 AM  

It's astonishing to me that the concept of the deep state and shadow governments was the stuff of tin-foil hat wearers to most people just 18 months ago.

Now it's common knowledge.

History is happening at break-neck speed.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 23, 2018 11:11 AM  

note also the similarity to the attitude of the geneticist from the earlier post today.

"Yes, yes, people in our position have abused you egregiously before but MY purpose is so Righteous and Important that you should ignore all the hard lessons that my predecessors taught you and trust and believe ME."

this is a form of the Boundary Violations that Cluster Bs are so prone too. how dare you have opinions which do not conform completely and exactly to what the Narcissist-Who-Has-Installed-Themselves-As-An-Authority-Figure thinks?

so what if Michael Mann has falsified every single piece of data that he's ever promulgated ...

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 23, 2018 11:12 AM  

Well damn. This is amazing! They must be severely hurting behind the scenes to do that kind of damage control. It will be so satisfying watching them unravel as the situation goes through the advanced stages.
Could the president have been directly chosen by God? Even something as seemingly small as this article, would have been inconceivable three years ago. It's gotten eerie multiple times over the last year. The actual revelation of the great evil of these people is actually conceivable, now.

Blogger Andrew April 23, 2018 11:17 AM  

the secrets and the rule of the the elite Satanist pedophiles.

It's incredible to think that we're going to get to live through this core fact of reality be revealed to the public and see conspiracy theory become the mainstream understanding of history.

Blogger Andrew April 23, 2018 11:18 AM  

Oh I see Commenter #1 already made the same basic observation.

Blogger Johnny April 23, 2018 11:21 AM  

The whole point of a cabinet is to weaken the presidency for the sake of the balance of powers. Otherwise the cabinet members would be ministers and would serve at the exclusive discretion of the president. What it seems like to me is that the combination of a cabinet and a unionized workforce where people can not easily be fired has given the Deep State too much power.

Blogger TM Lutas April 23, 2018 11:23 AM  

If you know that officials are breaking the law and based on your policy and political opinion you let them get away with it, you're engaging in corrupt acts.

Only the most dense of observers will fail to draw the obvious conclusion. The most frequent activity engaged in by the deep state is to catch and know that an official has broken the law and *not* to prosecute them. This is Ham Sandwich Nation and Three Felonies A Day stuff, books that were published some time ago without any serious push back as to the facts. It's not the takedown of a Manafort or a Flynn that is the core issue, it is in how often they don't do it and is the frequency of their pointed forbearance sufficient to activate the RICO statute.

Yes, the deep state is a criminal conspiracy against the people of the United States. Just don't make it about Trump and you're much more likely to win.

Blogger Ceerilan April 23, 2018 11:24 AM  

And that from a British newspaper... It's quite possible that they are admitting to America's problem to deflect from their own. I mean, they've been caught protecting pedos. How can they think we trust them at all?

Blogger Dire Badger April 23, 2018 11:24 AM  

"Some see these American bureaucrats as a vital check on the law-breaking or authoritarian or otherwise illegitimate tendencies of democratically elected officials."

the only people who "see" it that way are the ones who consider Americans subjects. The rightful place for the 'checks' on the authoritarian and illegitimate tendencies of elected officials are the American people themselves... These rights that have very carefully been trimmed, or stripped away over time by deep state bad actors in order to make themselves indispensable.
No. There is no sympathy for the deep state reaping what they sow. Their power needs to be utterly stripped to the bare minimum, and 'doing their job' needs to be made utterly impossible domestically, as well as loosing ALL controls over elected officials.

In the short run, elected officials will not become MORE corrupt, but they will become 'differently' corrupt, and for a time, at least, things will become much cleaner as officials learn and build their NEW channels for corruption... but, the tree of liberty needs to be periodically watered, and that INCLUDES the blood of corrupt elected officials. The purges need to become a regular custom.

Blogger F Harper April 23, 2018 11:28 AM  

They are hoping for half-measures. With everything emerging, especially in the last month, I can't see that happening. Yes, the civilian intelligence agencies will be gutted, their power and reach curtailed for perhaps decades to come, but given everything we have learned, that is unequivocally a good thing.

Anonymous Anonymous April 23, 2018 11:28 AM  

The problem is that it is hard to maintain its savior role without also accepting its threatening role

Forget the show saved by the bell, the youngest of the 3 boys on "Malcom in the Middle" has come out saying all the boys were abused daily. The deep state would have you believe videos of that as blackmail would help the US.

It's astonishing to me that the concept of the deep state and shadow governments was the stuff of tin-foil hat wearers to most people just 18 months ago.

A video about Ted Kennedy & a dead girl could have only came out before if Kennedy resisted his blackmailers, now it's in theatres nationwide

we're going to get to live through this core fact of reality be revealed to the public and see conspiracy theory become the mainstream understanding of history

Just be ready to see how the dollar crashing as the elite pedos take all their wealth stolen via the FED & try to socialize the debt works out. Have shelf stable long term food supplies ready.

Blogger Dire Badger April 23, 2018 11:29 AM  

Nate-

Still not willing to board the Trump Train yet? Now you are starting to make people question your motives for holding out, or are you still not tired of losing yet?

Blogger Dave April 23, 2018 11:35 AM  

Now it's common knowledge

Meh, not really. It's the Guardian not the NYT or 60 Minutes. It's probably an attempt to get in front of the IG report set to be released in May (over 1M pages said to detail everything in this article and more)

The general public will remain in the dark until the indictments start to become public.

Blogger Some Guy April 23, 2018 11:54 AM  

Ephesians 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

They just do what their father tells them to do. It's kind of sad actually. There is a lot of joy in letting go of the desires of your flesh.

Blogger David Power April 23, 2018 11:54 AM  

OT?





On this day, which also happens to be Shakespeare's birthday, Winston Churchill gave the following speech to the Royal Society of St. George.


"On this one night in the whole year we are allowed to use a forgotten, almost a forbidden word. We are allowed to mention the name of our own country, to speak of ourselves as 'Englishmen' and we may even raise the slogan “St. George for Merrie England.”

We must be careful, however. You see these microphones? They have been placed on our tables by the British Broadcasting Corporation.

Historians have noticed, all down the centuries, one peculiarity of the English people which has cost them dear. We have always thrown away after a victory the greater part of the advantages we gained in the struggle. The worst difficulties from which we suffer do not come from without. They come from within. They do not come from the cottages of the wage-earners. They come from a peculiar type of brainy people always found in our country, who, if they add something to its culture, take much from its strength.

Our difficulties come from the mood of unwarrantable self-abasement into which we have been cast by a powerful section of our own intellectuals. They come from the acceptance of defeatist doctrines by a large proportion of our politicians. But what have they to offer but a vague internationalism, a squalid materialism, and the promise of impossible Utopias?

Nothing can save England if she will not save herself."
Winston Churchill 23/April/1933.

Happy St George's Day

Blogger pyrrhus April 23, 2018 11:55 AM  

@11--Burn it to the ground, and toss all its media defenders on the pyre...

Blogger Miguel April 23, 2018 11:55 AM  

Minor typo:

"the the elite...."

Blogger slarrow April 23, 2018 11:56 AM  

Slightly OT: it's impressive what the power of rhetoric will do. I've heard Republicans complain about "unelected bureucrats" or "unaccountable civil servants" for decades without ever getting any traction. And yet the phrases "Deep State" and "Drain the Swamp" have captured imaginations and spurred action. Intriguing.

Blogger James April 23, 2018 11:56 AM  

“The truth is that the deep state, which is a real phenomenon, has long been both a threat to democratic politics and a savior of it.”

“Even the most severe critics of Trump should worry about this subtle form of anti-democratic abuse.”

Note the focus here. The ultimate philosophical creation and only true savior of the masses, DEMOCRACY ™. Apparently there is a Manichean dichotomy between DEMOCRACY ™ (good) and FACISM ™ (bad). I could postulate that since this was from a British rag, it just reflects the Brits lack of understanding of the Democratic Republic that is the colonies. Limeys never had such a thing. They went from a Monarchy to a Constitutional Monarchy and then to a Puppet Show Monarchy. Democracy must be cherished because all of the chattering classes in Britain believe they are intelligent enough to rule and DEMOCRACY ™ is the embodiment of their egalitarian posturing. Not that they want working class Whites to vote, but still…. However, since corruption of the Fourth Estate is universal, I’m sure the religious usage of DEMOCRACY ™ was intentional.

Blogger Mr. Bee April 23, 2018 11:57 AM  

the Deep State is the Praetorian Guard of New Babel, acting to preserve the secrets and the rule of the the elite Satanist pedophiles

Snort. If the big peophile scandal you've been predicting doesn't break soon Vox, your ilk here are going to lose faith and figure you've gone full on Illuminati land.

Blogger Mocheirge April 23, 2018 11:57 AM  

Dire Badger wrote:Nate-

Still not willing to board the Trump Train yet? Now you are starting to make people question your motives for holding out, or are you still not tired of losing yet?


Nate's enjoying his vacation on a Princess Cruz.

Blogger Miguel April 23, 2018 11:57 AM  

The ruling Satanist Pedophile elite has been trying so hard to keep the veil of deceit, but its not working anylonger.

Blogger James Dixon April 23, 2018 11:59 AM  

Give it another six months to a year or so for the various investigations ongoing to wind up. That means that sometime late this year or early in his third year Trump will have all the evidence he needs to shut down the FISA courts, disband the NSA and CIA, and completely revamp the FBI. If he makes doing so a priority it will be glorious to behold.

Blogger James Dixon April 23, 2018 12:06 PM  

> Snort. If the big peophile scandal you've been predicting doesn't break soon Vox, your ilk here are going to lose faith and figure you've gone full on Illuminati land.

It's already broken. There have been a steady stream of arrests going back to early last year. At this point hundreds of people have been arrested. At the current rate, it'll be in the thousand plus range soon, if it isn't already. You're either not paying attention or lying.

Blogger Othello April 23, 2018 12:07 PM  

The deep state ideal isn't just national. It's local. Judicial discretion. Local cops have it. Local prosecutors have it. Local judges have it.

Above the locals? State appellate courts. Appellate court judges usually rubber stamp trial court decisions. Trial courts are overwhelmingly affirmed by appellate courts in all 50 states.

Above the state appellate court judges? State supreme courts. They mostly deny appellate court reversals so local cases of judicial abuse of discretion don't go to the us Supreme Court.

Thus, a constitutional argument with a local cop goes to the local prosecutor, goes to the local judge, the state appellate court panel, and then, the state appellate court will apply some case law somehow that says the US constitution somehow doesn't apply to the local case someway.

It's enormously problematic given the 2A hysteria going on right now. Language policing. Warrantless searches. Historically, everything founding fathers established to prevent the government from overtly doing what deep state government startes many election cycles ago.

Is Black Horse. Pale Horse is coming.

Blogger freddie_mac April 23, 2018 12:07 PM  

@1 Sweep the Leg
It's astonishing to me that the concept of the deep state and shadow governments was the stuff of tin-foil hat wearers to most people just 18 months ago.

Even tho I tend to find Alex Jones a bit to hyper for my tastes, I usually listen to him/Roger Stone/etc. with an open mind. Things that sounded utterly bizarre just a few years back have been exposed as truthful or at least not entirely the creation of an overactive imagination. If nothing else, I've been learning to question the "official" narrative.

Blogger Johnny April 23, 2018 12:08 PM  

Snort. If the big peophile scandal you've been predicting doesn't break soon Vox, your ilk here are going to lose faith...

My take on timing is the upcoming election in the fall. If they don't move before this fall, then it is all a scam.

Blogger Nate April 23, 2018 12:09 PM  

now watch.. as they now switch to denying that anyone ever denied the Deep State existed.

Blogger David Hill April 23, 2018 12:16 PM  

Hmm they elite love the deep state they are just starting to worry that someone like Donald Trump will take control of it and use it against them

Blogger Mr. Naron April 23, 2018 12:24 PM  

Mr. Bee

So, all the media has to do is not cover the pedo scandal and it didn't happen? That's the straw man you've created. The story has to break for it to be true, and it has to break in the mainstream media. Right? The same media that "broke" the Russian collusion story.

The pedo scandal will follow the pattern where it'll be reported by local outlets. This way, it can be plausibly claimed that it was "covered" in the media, yet it won't enter the national conversation since it won't be covered by the gatekeeper media.

Blogger Lazarus April 23, 2018 12:24 PM  

"pedophile busts" on Goog. 56,700 hits

Massive pedophile ring busted; 230 kids saved - US news - Crime ...
Trump Busts 1,500 Pedophiles — Media Keeps Silent -
Another Giant Pedophile Ring Busted, 900 Arrests, 300 Kids Saved
Over 1,000 Arrested In Major Pedophile Bust – Media Blackout ...

ETC.

Blogger cheddarman April 23, 2018 12:28 PM  

Hang them all, and re-take Constantinople.

Blogger veryfunnyminion April 23, 2018 12:28 PM  

That's some pretty good concern trolling on the part of the Grauniad.

8/10 Would be concerned again.

Blogger VD April 23, 2018 12:28 PM  

Snort. If the big peophile scandal you've been predicting doesn't break soon Vox, your ilk here are going to lose faith and figure you've gone full on Illuminati land.

I don't care if every single person who reads me loses faith and figures I've gone full on Illuminati land.

Do you still seriously not understand that? I don't care if I have one reader or 100 million. I am not a performing monkey.

Blogger TM Lutas April 23, 2018 12:29 PM  

@24 James Dixon - It really would be helpful if somebody put up a google sheet and listed the connected arrest. The anti-gun people have already set up the technical model for how to do this.

Take a look at the crowdsourced mass shooting tracker:
https://massshootingtracker.org

If you seek to download the data and do a little URL editing (basically copy the download url, paste it into a browser window, and kill the question mark and everything to the right of it) you get a google sheet. In fact, for 2013, you get this one:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZCjcC9MUnLKxT65GLoyJE9gQ-auEX1SxKGMvt7FNtSs/pub

Blogger VD April 23, 2018 12:30 PM  

now watch.. as they now switch to denying that anyone ever denied the Deep State existed.

The media has always been at war with EastAsia.

Blogger Jack Amok April 23, 2018 12:31 PM  

Some see these American bureaucrats as a vital check on the law-breaking or authoritarian or otherwise illegitimate tendencies of democratically elected officials.

Hmmm, someone point me at the last time the Deep State imposed a check on Democrat law-breaking.

But I suppose it is mighty White of them to recognize Republicans as democratically elected officials.

Anonymous Anonymous April 23, 2018 12:34 PM  

It's already broken. There have been a steady stream of arrests going back to early last year. At this point hundreds of people have been arrested. At the current rate, it'll be in the thousand plus range soon, if it isn't already

Wake me when they start talking about 6 million.

Blogger James Dixon April 23, 2018 12:34 PM  

> If they don't move before this fall, then it is all a scam.

See my above comment.

Blogger Desdichado April 23, 2018 12:35 PM  

cheddarman wrote:Hang them all, and re-take Constantinople.
Not just Constantinople. Christendom used to include all of Anatolia, most of North Africa and the Levant.

I'm OK with letting Israel be, if for no other reason than because we need a place to send the Jews, and letting them keep their ancestral homeland seems to not only fit prophecy, but is considerably less trouble than any alternatives out there. But the Mahometan occupation of the former Roman provinces is all galling, not just Constantinople.

Blogger pyrrhus April 23, 2018 12:36 PM  

@18 Slightly OT: it's impressive what the power of rhetoric will do. I've heard Republicans complain about "unelected bureucrats" or "unaccountable civil servants" for decades without ever getting any traction. And yet the phrases "Deep State" and "Drain the Swamp" have captured imaginations and spurred action. Intriguing.

Rhetoric defeats dialectic--a powerful example!

Blogger Robert Divinity April 23, 2018 12:37 PM  

The parallels to the last days of the USSR are breathtaking. When we start to see "mysterious" deaths such as Seth Rich become more frequent, we will know the collapse is near. The American people never again will trust government and that's perhaps the most positive development ever.

Blogger James Dixon April 23, 2018 12:41 PM  

Lazarus, thanks for doing the legwork to confirm what I said. So it's already in the thousands. I suspected that might be the case, but didn't want to overstate matters.

Blogger Avalanche April 23, 2018 12:45 PM  

"information collected secretly in the homeland"

Does anyone else get a little frisson every time you read or hear "the homeland" used about the U.S.? I remember when that word was NEVER used -- it was a nazi or a Commie word THEY used about their "homelands." -- their homelands. WE were the nation, the union, the country, the U.S., 'the States.'

Then "suddenly" -- and I time it in my memory as starting with the baby-Bush-monkey -- shortly after 911 -- somehow we became the homeland. (((Somehow)))?

It seemed to me (then and now) another of J. Peterson's strongly resisted "forced speech." Only we don't seem to have resisted it! (At least *I* have never used it -- nor have my friends and acquaintances in my hearing.) No one was using it in the vernacular, and then "suddenly" the press and gov't were using it everywhere.

Dr Pat Allen, relationship guru, often says/quotes:

Beware your thoughts, for they become your words!
Beware your words, for they become your actions!
Beware your actions for they become your destiny!


Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 23, 2018 12:47 PM  

Anyone who thinks there would have been a similar big move against a Hollywood human trafficking ring under another president Clinton is delusional.

Blogger Starboard April 23, 2018 12:55 PM  

"now watch.. as they now switch to denying that anyone ever denied the Deep State existed."

"The media has always been at war with EastAsia."

And shortly after that it will be "old news."

Fake news--> mundane news--> old news

Wasn't that the Clinton way?

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 23, 2018 12:57 PM  

And didn't Soros' heir take a picture at a Satanic event? They can cast it off as a joke, but few will believe them when the time comes.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 23, 2018 12:58 PM  

Nate wrote:as they now switch to denying that anyone ever denied the Deep State existed.


More, soon it will be reported that the Deep State is required by a proper, nuanced reading of the Constitution.

Blogger Avalanche April 23, 2018 12:59 PM  

@40 " But the Mahometan occupation of the former Roman provinces is all galling, not just Constantinople."

Also, all-Gauling.

Blogger Jack Amok April 23, 2018 12:59 PM  

...the American people never again will trust government...

The American people never did trust government all that much, but we've imported enough !Americans! who think government is the way to get ahead that we now have a huge, oppressive and irresponsible government. That's the biggest reason they have to go back.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 23, 2018 1:01 PM  

Avalanche wrote:Does anyone else get a little frisson every time you read or hear "the homeland" used about the U.S.?
Prior to 2001, "homeland" was a term of art used to describe the Bantu-stans in South Africa and similar Worse-Than-Indian-Reservation 3rd world ethnic cantonments.
It's still the intended meaning.

Blogger Robert Divinity April 23, 2018 1:17 PM  

@50:

Largely true, but even the imports tend to come from low trust countries. They tend to depend upon government rather than trust it, which is all the more reason they have to go back.

Blogger Crew April 23, 2018 1:34 PM  

This is just a Stage One admission. "Yes, it's real, but it's not that bad, and besides, it means well." That means we still have a few stages to go

Stage 2 will likely be: Yes, we did allow some perverts to abuse children, but you can't make an omelet ...

Blogger tuberman April 23, 2018 1:42 PM  

When I see the whole Swiss system including those satanic tunnels and their banking system under strong attacks, I'll know this is moving forward at a good pace. The EU folding would be an excellent middle-term advance.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 23, 2018 2:05 PM  

@24

"> Snort. If the big peophile scandal you've been predicting doesn't break soon Vox, your ilk here are going to lose faith and figure you've gone full on Illuminati land.

It's already broken. There have been a steady stream of arrests going back to early last year. At this point hundreds of people have been arrested. At the current rate, it'll be in the thousand plus range soon, if it isn't already. You're either not paying attention or lying."

Judging by various reports of mass arrests of pedophiles that I've seen over the last year, it appears to be typically on the order of ~150/month. Typically 60-80 each time.

I'm guessing that the FBI's pedophile team is a fixed group, and all are now trusted to not give any tip-offs about whose names are on the warrants, and when the arrests will be made.

Recently, Backpage.com was shut down by FBI Internet Crimes Taskforce. I'm wondering if they were using it as a honeytrap for the last year, and finally shut it down when the rate of *new* IP addresses coming in slowed down to a crawl.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 23, 2018 2:06 PM  

Good one.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 23, 2018 2:12 PM  

@31

""pedophile busts" on Goog. 56,700 hits

Massive pedophile ring busted; 230 kids saved - US news - Crime ...
Trump Busts 1,500 Pedophiles — Media Keeps Silent -
Another Giant Pedophile Ring Busted, 900 Arrests, 300 Kids Saved
Over 1,000 Arrested In Major Pedophile Bust – Media Blackout ...

ETC."

Washington Post ran an article right after Pizzagate broke, with the main theme being that it had already been "debunked"
My response was to write a comment, asking the author, that since she didn't present any evidence of this supposed debunking, I have only one question: how long has she been diddling kids?

The media won't cover it because too many of them are in it themselves. The Bill O'Reilly and Charlie Rose scandals are going to be remembered as mere preludes, or possible distractions.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 23, 2018 2:16 PM  

@34

"I don't care if every single person who reads me loses faith and figures I've gone full on Illuminati land.

Do you still seriously not understand that? I don't care if I have one reader or 100 million. I am not a performing monkey."


I am so sick of popularity-seekers who don't understand the concept of telling the truth, regardless of personal social consequences. Every time I meet one, I seriously want to just cut their tongues out.

My fantasy:
"Hurdur.... telling the truth won't make you popular! You have to ....agh...gak...aaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!"

Blogger Damn Crackers April 23, 2018 2:23 PM  

@58 - Good point. Great to take the moral high ground and route out the pederasts. But, I don't want to go full McMartin preschool. Those few incidents of false Satanic conspiracy lead the public to label one's work as behaviors from the tinfoil hat crew.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 23, 2018 2:34 PM  

It's been interesting to watch. I still maintain that there are two "Deep States". You've got the political appointees, and then the career Civil Service.

The career Civil Service personnel are of little political impact. They are accustomed to working for elected officials they despise at some point in their careers, but are professionals about it. If anything, they are especially outraged at this mess...because they know they are likely to be the whipping boy.

The political appointees are another matter. They DO have a political agenda. And properly so, as they are the appointed lieutenants of elected officials. What infuriates me is that they also have a professional obligation to not knife the elected officials...and to obey the law. And it's crystal-clear this has not been done.

And yes, Trump has to take some responsibility. When you take over from a President of the opposite party, the first order of business is to flush out ALL his appointees. Simply to get control of the Federal bureaucracy...and clear out stay-behind saboteurs. And Obama left a lot of those behind.

I'm waiting for Trump to get his act together and treat this as a seditious conspiracy.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 23, 2018 2:39 PM  

Another word on the career Federal Civil Service. Each major Federal organization has its own biases and political culture. The rank-and-file of the Department of Defense, for example, are solidly conservative. State is a reliable liberal bastion. And so on.

The FBI is notorious for being unusually political...and covert about it. They have been doing political surveillance ops for a good 60 years, at least. It's not surprising that the Democrats tapped into the FBI for political intelligence.

Blogger lazlo azavaar April 23, 2018 2:45 PM  

You can always measure the left's fear levels by the "mehs"and "snorts" and "lols" they litter in the comments, like rabbit pellets.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 23, 2018 2:53 PM  

@59

"@58 - Good point. Great to take the moral high ground and route out the pederasts. But, I don't want to go full McMartin preschool. Those few incidents of false Satanic conspiracy lead the public to label one's work as behaviors from the tinfoil hat crew."

Were they false accusations?

1. The kids' stories never changed
2. The kids' stories all agreed with each other.
3. and investigators DID find the tunnels, as described.

The Jury believed the kids, despite every effort of the defense to portray them as a bunch of toddlers with no concept of the difference between reality and fantasy (which begets the question -- if it was mere fanciful storytelling, where did they ALL get the ideas needed to invent stories of molestation?).


4. The kids' stories have all the same elements of ritual satanic sexual abuse as reported from all around the planet. I seriously doubt that even one of those toddlers was even dimly aware of such reports.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 23, 2018 2:56 PM  

40. Desdichado April 23, 2018 12:35 PM
the former Roman provinces is all galling



actually, it's mostly just the Frankish lands which are gauling.

*sperg*


49. Avalanche April 23, 2018 12:59 PM
Also, all-Gauling.



damnit. that was supposed to be MY stupid joke.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 23, 2018 2:57 PM  

Don't worry Bob. There will be other stupid joke opportunities.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 23, 2018 2:58 PM  

Here...uh... why don't you be Literally Hitler for a while. That should cheer you up.

Blogger freddie_mac April 23, 2018 3:01 PM  

@60 Hemmerli280
When you take over from a President of the opposite party, the first order of business is to flush out ALL his appointees. Simply to get control of the Federal bureaucracy...and clear out stay-behind saboteurs. And Obama left a lot of those behind.

One of the problems that Trump has had is the absolute dearth of candidates for his own appointments. Whether they're stuck in the Senate with no hearings, or he has to fire a "trusted" candidate who forgot that Trump is boss ... he spends a fair amount of time simply trying to deal with the admininstrivia that his predecessors had resolved within the first year.

Maybe it would have been best for him to simply fire all of the Obama appointees on day one, even if that meant the janitor was answering the phone in some areas. Trump (or, more than likely his RNC councilors) decided to leave them in place and replace them slowly. If he had to do things over, he'd probably go with the scorched earth strategy.

Blogger Damn Crackers April 23, 2018 3:18 PM  

@63 -

From Infogalactic:

W. Joseph Wyatt's 2002 report concluded that the "tunnels" under the preschool were more plausibly explained as a rubbish pit used by the owners of the site before the preschool's construction in 1966. Materials found during the excavation included bottles, tin cans, plywood, inner tubes, as well as the former owner's old mail box. Only three small items found near the edge of the concrete slab were dated after 1966, which Wyatt suggested were most likely dragged into the pit by rats or other scavengers. Moreover, Wyatt speculated that Stickel's conclusions were colored by his collaboration with the parents of the McMartin children.

Also, once you see the methods that "psychologists" used to obtain children's testimonies from that era, you should know how unreliable they are:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmm2HSjN2Ic

Once again, I'm not saying these networks don't exist. Once just has to look at the Rotherham scandal.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 23, 2018 3:28 PM  

Looks like it was Toronto's turn for a truck of peace.

Blogger Crew April 23, 2018 3:31 PM  

@68: As far as I can tell, that article was copied from Wikipedia in late 2015.

Wikipedia is not the most reliable of sources, and they would be interested in covering up any such activity.

However, without any other information I won't update it, except to pull in a new copy from Wikipedia.

Blogger Crew April 23, 2018 3:34 PM  

However, I do note that this exists:

http://www.ipt-forensics.com/journal/volume7/j7_2_1.htm

Blogger Desdichado April 23, 2018 3:42 PM  

Don't worry Bob. There will be other stupid joke opportunities.

I suppose having the French occupy the seven churches is better than having their lands occupied by the heathen Turks. But they're still the French...

Anonymous Anonymous April 23, 2018 3:46 PM  

63 3. and investigators DID find the tunnels, as described.

The investigators found filled in tunnels. It wasn't the states head of Health & Human Services filling in the tunnels by themselves. Building & blocking were both major construction projects. They certainly couldn't put up a CLEAN FILL WANTED sign

Blogger Damn Crackers April 23, 2018 3:49 PM  

@70 Do you have any later sources for your information on tunnels after 2015? I used the Infogalactic source because I assumed it would be reliable. Are you suggesting Infogalactic isn't?

Blogger weka April 23, 2018 3:49 PM  

@69.
It was. Kind of expected: Toronto has too many Muslims. Who need to go back.
Because diversity is never good for a nation, and Canada should return to being one.

Blogger Marcus Marcellus April 23, 2018 4:05 PM  

My Silent Gen father spoke openly of the deep state, and all his golfing friends at the club spoke of such things openly, that the UN wanted world gov was perfectly understood. Then TV was invented, and the Boomers then dismissed what was known as "conspiracy theories."

Blogger cheddarman April 23, 2018 4:15 PM  

Funny that the John Birch Society also spoke of a "conspiracy against God and man" and they were read out of the conservative camp by the homosexual William F. Buckley in the 1960's.

Blogger SciVo April 23, 2018 4:27 PM  

Damn Crackers wrote:@58 - Good point. Great to take the moral high ground and route out the pederasts. But, I don't want to go full McMartin preschool. Those few incidents of false Satanic conspiracy lead the public to label one's work as behaviors from the tinfoil hat crew.

Given that the hysteria was driven by child psychologists, that psychologists are notoriously nutty, and that predators go where the prey is, my baseline expectation before diving down that rabbit hole would to find that it was not a failed investigation, but a successful smokescreen -- that the result (casting shade on allegations of child molestation by authority figures in general) was the goal.

Blogger DonReynolds April 23, 2018 4:35 PM  

I was part of the Deep State nearly all of my working life. The administrative bureaucracy of the public sector and no doubt it is very similar in the private sector.

The authority in the public sector is the law itself, as written by legislative bodies, if not vetoed by the executive, and sometimes given surprising interpretations by judges on several occasions (sometimes contradictory). The task of actually doing what the law requires is left to the administrative bureaucracy, also called the Deep State. Generally speaking, the way that work is performed is directed or overseen by commissions, boards, agencies, or directorates. The Executive and Department heads (and other supervisors) are tasked with making the system work with a minimum of excitement.

The interface between the public and the public bureaucracy always includes a certain amount of discretion...what we used to call "wiggle room"...which were the upper and lower limits on what we could do and what we could not do. This would be normal and ordinary because every possibility is not written into the law or ever anticipated by upper management.

What seems to have changed since my departure in 2008 is the willingness of the Deep State to frustrate and contradict and countermand lawful authority. This is very dangerous and in the past, even if such behavior was inadvertent or accidental or a blunder, it was punished with immediate termination. Deliberate and willful refusal, motivated by politics or ideology, would not be tolerated (even by coworkers) for a moment. This is the part that is new about the Deep State.

Anonymous Anonymous April 23, 2018 4:51 PM  

VD,

You've made statements along the lines that Big Business is merely a response to Big Govt, and that the two are intertwined.

I've long contended the issue isn't that we need small government, but that human organization itself, although a neutral force, is what opens up the door to greater misdeeds. The monopoly on force need not stop with govts either since private organizations have historical used it.

Therefore, I view all human organization skeptically, though we might accept some for its benefits at the time. Is this a misguided "philosophy?"

Blogger Hammerli280 April 23, 2018 4:53 PM  

@79 Don Reynolds:

Agree 100%, though I think you've omitted the political appointees who intermediate between the elected officials and the career bureaucracy. And as a career Federal Civil Servant, this business infuriates me. These twits are playing with fulminate of mercury.

Because they haven't considered what happens when the Department of Defense takes a hand in politics. Particularly when the armed forces have the highest level of public approval and trust than any other group in American life.

I've long thought that the American Political Crisis of the last 20 years might wind up being resolved by a military coup. The politicization of the FBI and possibly CIA makes this a whole lot more likely.

Blogger SciVo April 23, 2018 5:11 PM  

Hammerli280 wrote:I've long thought that the American Political Crisis of the last 20 years might wind up being resolved by a military coup. The politicization of the FBI and possibly CIA makes this a whole lot more likely.

More like a military counter-coup, overturning a bureaucratic counter-revolution against constitutional democracy in America. If push came to shove, the covert and regulatory agencies would be lucky to avoid being massacred by the People whose self-determination they so blatantly despise. They would lose that popularity contest so hard that they would be begging the military to take them into protective custody.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 23, 2018 5:13 PM  

68. Damn Crackers April 23, 2018 3:18 PM
W. Joseph Wyatt's 2002 report concluded that the "tunnels" under the preschool were more plausibly explained as a rubbish pit



would this be the same guy who claimed that there were NO TUNNELS AT ALL in the original investigation?

cuz, ya know, it's kind of hard to miss "pits" and "tunnels" and "basements" in Florida, as those are extremely unusual construction practices down there.

so, for the original investigators to have claimed that no such thing existed
...
and now they're admitting that there IS something there
...
just not what all the children all testified too
...
that just sounds like retrenching to the next line of denial.

by someone who is all in on the conspiracy.

Blogger tublecane April 23, 2018 5:15 PM  

"Some see these American bureaucrats as a vital check on the law-breaking or authoritarian or otherwise illegitimate tendencies of democratically elected officials"

Whoa, buddy! You're not supposed to come out and say that. Democracy is sacrosanct. You call them politicians, not democratically-elected officials. "Politics" is allowed to be a dirty word.

This is boilerplate progressivism, by the way. We can't trust corrupt or corruptible politicians, so we set up the Managerial State. Now our lives can be run by a technocratic elite schooled in the science of governance, instead of a bunch of slicksters who bamboozled the boobish electorate. Yawn.

That's just the Permanent Government. Which can be a Deep State, or contain any number of Deep States, but isn't what most people refer to as THE Deep State. The Permanent Government should be as familiar to the public as the executive, legislative, and judicial, but they're not taught what everyone knew a century ago.

By the way, what does "authoritarian" even mean anymore? Is it merely "person I don't like exercising authority?"

Blogger tublecane April 23, 2018 5:21 PM  

@6- They do serve at the president's discretion, in the sense that he can fire them at will. Though of course he can't appoint them willy-nilly.

Theoretically, the president is supposed to be in charge of the executive branch, but in practice that authority has fallen away from him. In fact, the president usually doesn't even run his own White House.

Remember when Nixon tried to reassert the executive's mastery of the executive branch by setting up a sort of Supercabinet to oversee the cabinet? People freaked out and acted like it would cause one of them "constitutional crises." One reason why he was going to be impeached, methinks.

Blogger Crew April 23, 2018 5:21 PM  

@74: The article is directly from Wikipedia with no modifications.

It is only as reliable as Wikipedia. Most of the Infogalactic articles are like that.

Blogger Crew April 23, 2018 5:24 PM  

cuz, ya know, it's kind of hard to miss "pits" and "tunnels" and "basements" in Florida, as those are extremely unusual construction practices down there.

Wait. I thought it was in LA.

Blogger tublecane April 23, 2018 5:29 PM  

@44- "(((Somehow)))"

The Showtime series Homeland is based on an Israeli tv show.

Coincidence?

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 23, 2018 5:31 PM  

87. Crew April 23, 2018 5:24 PM
Wait. I thought it was in LA.



perhaps we're talking about different preschool instances.

hrm. maybe i'm confusing it with Country Walk.

Blogger DonReynolds April 23, 2018 5:35 PM  

@81 Hammerli280
Totally correct.
I did not mention the role of the political appointees because they are normally extensions of the policies of the Executive. This may be the serious weakness of the Trump Administration, to flush the Obama appointees from day one. He may have thought it was like a corporate takeover and the human capital (even at the higher levels) could be retooled and retread for his administration. In politics, especially with Obama appointees, they may be total fanatics and beyond redemption. No amount of re-direction is going to make the Obama ideologues useful to Trump. Yes, the Democrats in the Senate are slow-walking his nominees, but he could appoint ACTING heads of agencies in the meantime and get rid of the Obama saboteurs.

Blogger tublecane April 23, 2018 5:36 PM  

@60- That distinction is important. It gives the lie to the refrain that goes something like "How could the FBI conspire against Trump? Cops are all Republicans!"

I don't know what percentage of FBI officials vote Republican. Presumably it's more than in the State Department, for instance. But it wouldn't matter if 100% of the rank and file are diehard Pubs. The High Political Appointees are a different breed, and they can stick like-minded individuals wherever they want.

That, and party-affiliation doesn't necessarily apply at that level .And even if it did, Trump has blown up what it means to be a Republican. Whenever an outsider movement threatens to take over a party, that party's establishment reliably chooses defeat over victory in order to get rid of their internal competition. A life-long Republican might view Trump more as a infiltrator than a fellow party member.

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Blogger Calven April 23, 2018 6:07 PM  

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Blogger Unknown April 23, 2018 6:25 PM  

the Deep State is the Praetorian Guard of New Babel, acting to preserve the secrets and the rule of the the elite Satanist pedophiles.

Gosh, these rhetorical flourishes have really improved. This is prizeworthy.

Blogger SciVo April 23, 2018 7:01 PM  

tublecane wrote:By the way, what does "authoritarian" even mean anymore? Is it merely "person I don't like exercising authority?"

Fake Americans redefined "authoritarian" to mean "the standards of behavior by which white men acquire the respect of their families and communities," or in other words how white dads get good friends, happy wives, and polite, well-behaved children. Because that's bad, and authoritarianism is bad, so 1 = 2.

But of course words mean things, so SJWs and others that use it as "like a white family man" just end up sounding like freakazoids to anyone who isn't their clique.

Blogger tublecane April 23, 2018 7:18 PM  

@95- Oh yeah, I forgot about the whole Authoritarian Personality bunk.

Blogger SciVo April 23, 2018 7:24 PM  

Incidentally, the leftist usage of "authoritarian" to mean "europatriarchal" is so idiosyncratic that it's a reliable tell. Very handy for spotting "how do you do fellow alt-right" fakers, since hardly any are consciously aware of that verbal tic.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len April 23, 2018 7:25 PM  

It's astonishing to me that the concept of the deep state and shadow governments was the stuff of tin-foil hat wearers to most people just 18 months ago.

I've never understood why this idea was considered "tin foil hat" in the first place. Do so many people really believe the unelected bureaucrats at the CIA, FBI, DOD, etc. are any more capable, honest, and civic-minded than the schlubs we all have to deal with at the DMV?

Blogger tublecane April 23, 2018 7:54 PM  

@98- Well, the Cathedral is adept at making common-sensical things appear outlandish and the outlandish appear to be common-sense.

Deep State Noticing is a subset of Conspiracy Theorizing, and of course conspiracy theories are popularly understood to be tinfoil hat territory. They are Kooky Konspiracies by definition.

If your conspiracy theory is not understood to be kooky and is perfectly acceptable in polite society, it's not labelled a "conspiracy theory." See for instance the Holocaust.

"Deep state" conspiracies are popularly passed off as elaborate cloak-and-dagger stuff as seen in Hollywood movies. Usually involving crypto-white supreeemists. Soft Deep State Theory, as you might call it, just isn't talked about.

We might realize it's perfectly normal for two or more government employees to get together and deliberately abuse their power. But that's not what "they" want you to think of when you think Deep State. That way it's easier to mock you.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 23, 2018 8:24 PM  

"gone full on Illuminati land"

Illuminati > Enlightenment > [Atheism/AGW/Communism/Socialism/Central Banks/IMF/UN/NWO/Neo-Babel/Beast]

Please. The world has been full-on Illuminati land for over a century. They're only just getting pushback on their latest attempts to change the drapes to match the walls/carpet and foundation of the house.

You really don't know where you're commenting, do you?

"Wake me when they start talking about 6 million."

Too late they started in 1911 or earlier.

"Dr Pat Allen, relationship guru, often says/quotes:"

That's straight paraphrase of parts of the Bible.

"but you can't make an omelet ..."

...without breaking all the nations. And remember kids, six million is a statistic.

"The EU folding would be an excellent middle-term advance."

The EU folding would be a strong indicator that Satan isn't going to win this global round. At least, not completely.

Blogger Ken Prescott April 23, 2018 9:05 PM  

@78

Given that the hysteria was driven by child psychologists, that psychologists are notoriously nutty, and that predators go where the prey is, my baseline expectation before diving down that rabbit hole would to find that it was not a failed investigation, but a successful smokescreen -- that the result (casting shade on allegations of child molestation by authority figures in general) was the goal.

And that didn't quite work, so they straight-up framed a guy in San Diego a few years later.

That didn't work, either.

Anonymous Anonymous April 23, 2018 10:52 PM  

Were they false accusations?
Yes they were.  Grossly so.

1. The kids' stories never changed
2. The kids' stories all agreed with each other.
3. and investigators DID find the tunnels, as described.

1. The kids were very well-coached.
2. See #1.
3. The so-called "tunnels" found after the building was demolished incorporated debris including the mailbox of the previous building on the site (obviously trash left behind, not fill magically salvaged from a landfill and returned whence it came).  Miscellaneous debris found beneath the slab was consistent with animal burrows; nothing big enough for humans was found, and the floor plan of the building had no place for an opening to underground works.  (I see that Damn Crackers got this too.)

The sick, sad part of the McMartin case is that the defenders were so under-financed that they couldn't just get an independent psychologist and a cameraman to walk through the building with the so-called "victims" and ask them to go to the door to the underground rooms.  The confusion of the "victims" would have proven that the whole thing was a construction of the malicious psychologists who constructed the Satanic cult narrative from whole cloth.

Perhaps I should not scare-quote "victims".  It's obvious that the children were indeed victims, but not of the McMartins.  They were victims of the abuse-finding industry which had to find abuse to justify its existence.

If you don't believe that witch-hunters are claiming innocent victims in the present day, you're fucking blind.

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