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Wednesday, April 25, 2018

In which I address Jordan Peterson

As you've probably noted, I have remained resolutely silent on the man. Tonight, at about 7:15 EST, I'm doing a Darkstream to address what I believe to be his inherent lack of intellectual honesty and integrity. Tune in via Periscope.

My analysis of the so-called "Jewish question" has been criticized by exactly the people you would expect to criticize it. I responded today with an update, making the mathematical case linking higher IQ to higher Jewish achievement properly:

In summary, his updated case is based on a false premise that is supported by inaccurate numbers which are based on irrelevant and outdated studies that never purported to claim what is being cited. It is the most intellectually shoddy case I have seen any public intellectual attempt to make since Richard Dawkins tried to prove that a religious upbringing is worse than sexual abuse in childhood by citing an apocryphal story about Alfred Hitchcock driving through Switzerland.

Peterson would have done much better to simply state that he is not free to state his opinion on the subject since he lives in Canada and is subject to Canadian anti-speech laws.

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71 Comments:

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 25, 2018 7:40 PM  

Will you be supplying the popcorn?

Blogger Zaklog the Great April 25, 2018 7:48 PM  

Well, I have the feeling this is going to hurt. I like the guy, but I can admit he has some definite blind spots. I genuinely can't tell if they're deliberate or not, though.

Blogger S1AL April 25, 2018 7:48 PM  

Interesting way to phrase that.

Blogger tuberman April 25, 2018 7:56 PM  

Zaklog the Great wrote:Well, I have the feeling this is going to hurt. I like the guy, but I can admit he has some definite blind spots. I genuinely can't tell if they're deliberate or not, though.

Fear? People afraid usually bark away from what they fear.No sound reason to support what he said, so does not want to test Jewish power. See this even with Tommy Robinson.

Blogger Dave April 25, 2018 8:02 PM  

Bring your own popcorn BYOP

Lots of trolls on Periscope tonight. Surely just happenstance.

Blogger Eze Garcés April 25, 2018 8:03 PM  

What about this?
https://dailystormer.name/jordan-peterson-reads-the-stormer-admits-jews-control-us-doubles-down-on-racist-positions/

Blogger Iamblichus April 25, 2018 8:05 PM  

Tasty

Blogger VD April 25, 2018 8:08 PM  

I don't care what the Stormpoopers do or say. They are well south of the IQ gap.

Blogger Matthew Klan April 25, 2018 8:10 PM  

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Blogger Zaklog the Great April 25, 2018 8:11 PM  

Be careful tangling with Jordan Peterson:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhdEbOzcN1U

Blogger Nell Fenwick April 25, 2018 8:25 PM  

I wish they would get some updated scientific studies on Jewish and Israeli IQ published soon.
Peer reviewed of course. Would be interesting reading.

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 25, 2018 8:29 PM  

The JQ is interesting but I'd rather see VD and JP debate Christianity.

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 25, 2018 8:30 PM  

Peer reviewed of course

For typos.

Blogger Matthew Klan April 25, 2018 8:31 PM  

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Blogger Mr. Deficient April 25, 2018 8:33 PM  

7 15 on thursday, correct?

As for JBP there is alot of good and bad in what he says. His denial of the JQ, deplatforming of Faith Goldy and his attack on any alt righter as pathological are all very worrisome.

I think what it essentially comes down to is that he is a classical liberal and the only way you can be a classical liberal is if you believe people are the same enough for them to live together without mass violence. Combine this with a sort of quasi "New Man" philosophy and his belief in the archetypes being found in the physical brain (this is the sameness, the heroic myth being common to all people since, according to him, it has roots in 300 million year old lobsters) and you get an absolute need to deny things which are the strongest points of the alt right.

I apologize for any grammar or syntax errors as I have suffered quite a bit of neurological damage.

Blogger pyrrhus April 25, 2018 8:34 PM  

JP's absurdly superficial piece has been duly roasted by the commenters for the reason's cited in VD's analysis, and also for failing to deal with the real JQ. Which is what has this supposedly super-intelligent ethnic group done with the power and money it has accumulated in American Society?

Blogger 9783 Joseph April 25, 2018 9:02 PM  

Mr. Deficient @15
It was tonight. You can watch it now.

Blogger Lovekraft April 25, 2018 9:03 PM  

Your last line, about Canada's self-censorship, nailed it perfectly, Vox.

In one public appearance when asked about it, JP replied "I can't talk about it." Layers of hidden meaning there.

Escape route. When a party has held onto power and others call for a relinquishment can be peaceful for all parties. Unless said party (or parties) are too deeply invested and they want to fight to the bitter end.

That is what I see as one of the main problems with moving past this. Such deep-rooted feuds, if you will.

Just an idea, but the alt-right should, rather than being too idealistic and tie our fates to an arguably-maniacal group of people, work on helping them achieve such an escape.

Blogger Samuel Nock April 25, 2018 9:11 PM  

"I can't do it."

Peterson should have left it at that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbZZyVyEHGo

Blogger Samuel Nock April 25, 2018 9:12 PM  

It is also telling that, for a man who usually keeps his cool, the Jewish Question in particular very quickly makes him lose his temper. Cognitive dissonance.

Blogger Ashes April 25, 2018 9:16 PM  

I enjoyed the periscope quite a bit. I was left wondering however, how do you think Peterson will react to conflict between other high trust societies?

Blogger urbino April 25, 2018 9:21 PM  

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Blogger John Best April 25, 2018 9:24 PM  

I enjoyed the scope, shared it on twitter.

I noticed a while ago the the Jews aren't the only small group to be massive successful compared to their numbers. Many non-Conformist Protestant sects are. The Quakers in banking, charities and politics, this isn't because they have a higher IQ than the rest of the population, it is because of the in group preference. This is less of a problem because they are of the same ethnic background as the rest of the population, and religious belief. But even that causes problems when these very successful sects want to disestablish the Church of England and get rid of the King. The Jews, Hindu and Sikh Indians, the Chinese all cause the same problems. In fact the whites in South Africa and Rhodesia have the same issues and Chinese in Malaysia. It explains a great deal which the left puts down to colonialism or IQ, it is actually in group preference, which the British state is taking away from my people, so we can't protect ourselves. However when my people come together like in Northern Ireland or Rhodesia, they can defeat and withstand the onslaught of the globalists, collective-individualists and not-British population.

Blogger Y. April 25, 2018 9:38 PM  

@Mr Deficient, careful with the straw, too much straw dust in the air is an explosion hazard.

Peterson's shtick is using findings from psychology, comparative mythology and evolutionary sciences as basis for apologetics for revealed religions, mostly Christianity.


I find this IQ denialism funny. I mean, not only do Jews have a widespread reputation for being smart, are vastly overrepresented in fields where no amount of bullshit would make things work, and have a host of novel, interesting brain diseases-

Wonder what's the aim. And what's the alternative explanation for hard sciences having too many Jews?



Blogger VD April 25, 2018 9:44 PM  

I find this IQ denialism funny.

It's not denialism. The claims of +1SD mean IQ are not only bullshit, but even if they were legitimate back in 1956, would by necessity be significantly reduced now due to the massive increase in Jewish intermarriage, which is now up to 71 percent outside the Orthodox.

As for the hard sciences, I have two words: irreproducibility crisis.

Blogger SirHamster April 25, 2018 10:10 PM  

Was looking for the Periscope, but didn't see it at the scheduled time.

For some reason, the scopes are not in chronological order, and I just now see it, 20 items down the list.

Blogger Cary April 25, 2018 10:13 PM  

This is the kind of thing that I love about this blog. I had always accepted the 115 avg since it is claimed so ubiquitously. Only when VD pointed out the falsity of the cited studies along with the explanation of a strong in group preference minority in a high trust society did it all make so much more sense.

The evidence for the true IQ clearly exists. It's just being hidden. Take something simple. How many Jews were National Merit before the mid-90s? That would give a pretty clear picture from 20 years ago. If it were really true there would be more evidence presented.

Blogger Garuna April 25, 2018 10:22 PM  

(((Y.))), you seem upset because the goyim know.

Outside of white countries, TRIBALISM is a common thing and a commonly understood thing. In the the country I'm in right now, even children and morons don't deny its existence.

Currently, these red-pilled third worlders are moving into the first world. And you're not going to shut them up with a simple "muh holocaust". So just be truthful about your tribalism.

And stop pushing the ridiculous "115 average IQ" meme. It will only end in another shoah.

Blogger Mar Go April 25, 2018 10:33 PM  

Vox, do you ever think Europeans will somehow snap out of this high trust paradigm? Or will it be some kind of "YOU BETRAYED US!" backlash?

Blogger NO GOOGLES April 25, 2018 10:36 PM  

I would rather have wished Peterson just to remain silent on the issue. He's clearly an intelligent man and from what I have seen of him he seems too aware to actually believe the case he's making. It seems to me that this is just him toeing the line because to do otherwise would be too damaging to his other interests and projects.

Peterson is still useful to the alt-right in the same way that Sargon of Akkad is - they are basically "babby's first red pill" for normies and those who have not been paying attention. Anyone worthwhile who isn't a sycophant will find their way to the alt-right after people like Peterson have gotten them to dip a toe into the truth.

Blogger SidVic April 25, 2018 10:37 PM  

You know, you know.. the verbal ticks argg! The rocking to and fro also distracting. Respectfully Vox, consider sitting for your presentations- even a ornate dark lord throne would be preferable.

To Peterson: examine his early appearances. When he was basically telling the SJWs to shove it. He would not use their language and they could f*** off. He was obviously terrified (and admitted as much). Fine- your brand, niche, is alt-right, but when a stolid mainstream guy (he is a Canadian academic after all) embraces most of your views don't tear them down! - i direct this at anonymous commentators calling him weak etc more than VD. The guy has big watermelon balls.

VD "hard sciences, I have two words: irreproducibility crisis" -Crisis is way more acute in softer sciences. Hard sciences are still sound and reproducibility problem mainly confined to model differences and chinese graduate students.

Blogger NO GOOGLES April 25, 2018 10:41 PM  

Also, even if the "115 IQ" claim wasn't extremely suspect on its face (to be conservative) the over-representation of Jews in a lot of these fields and positions isn't indicative of a single SD differential in IQ.

Consider other areas that are strongly influenced by IQ like Fortune 500 CEOs - it's a similar ratio of over-representation for men vs women, but the average IQ is more like 140-150 for those CEOs. And at those IQ values, there are more than 4 men for every woman. That's a similar ratio but a MUCH more pronounced difference than 1 SD.

Blogger rondolf April 25, 2018 11:07 PM  

I think it is obvious jews have a higher verbal IQ than average, and maybe better abstract reasoning, but this has not been good for either them or their host countries for very long do to other factors in their character and lifestyles.

Blogger Cecil Henry April 25, 2018 11:16 PM  

Yup. Jordan Peterson is a very intelligent and insight man on many issues.

But that is why his hypocrisy, avoidance and special pleading about immigration and the JQ are so out of place and shocking.

ITs like he's completely gone from 'talk to your enemies and learn' to never look at these dragons.

There are many interviews where you see him seemingly completely miss how he is been manipulated to adopt certain positions when talking with the people of (((love)))

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 25, 2018 11:18 PM  

Academics and their egos

Blogger Resident Moron™ April 25, 2018 11:56 PM  

Some illusions are harder to let go, even when you know the truth.

Delusions even more so.

The oddest part is that you’d expect a brilliant psychologist to know that.

Blogger mike jank April 26, 2018 12:04 AM  

I don't agree with his stance on the JQ, in which he loses his shit, but his explanation of the minds of creatives and "curse" of being a "creative" kept me from eating a bullet. I can't thank him enough for that.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 26, 2018 12:05 AM  

You can trust psychologists, because if you don't we'll call you crazy, take your stuff, and lock you up.

Anonymous Anonymous April 26, 2018 12:35 AM  

I lurk worse then Tretch Craventail.

Vox Jordan censored me because I cited your arguments from 'the Myth of Jewish Intelligence' from 22 April 18.

As you said, Peterson's argument is based on a ridiculous cascade of unrepresentative subsets of subsets of subsets to from a mirage Jewish monolithic average IQ.

I added a few supplementary embellishments.

I asked this:

If we accept Jews dominate all of western societies' economic and social sectors solely due to IQ, and even in combination with non-IQ factors, why are Jews not subject to the laws and social sanctions which mandate diversity regardless of merit?

If more then three white gentiles cluster in a regulated sector of western society, they are subjected to anti racial discrimination laws and relentless social pressure as a body unrepresentative of our multicultural societies' overall demographic profile regardless of merit. How do Jews avoid this phenomenon? Are there uniformly Jewish government institutions, non-government organisations and corporations operative in western society? If so, how is this possible in contravention of absolute and virulently policed diversity mandates which whites are subject to, and the operation of an equal rule of law?

I also said this:

Why does no one reference studies that show a Jewish average IQ lower then non Jewish participants?

A M Shuey Differences in performance of Jewish and Non Jewish students on the American Council Psychological Examination, Journal of Social Psychology vol 15, 1942 pages 221-243.

Then I invited him to execute his arithmetic against our other fellow low trust high functioning minority majorities:

Finally, you've used an IQ of 115 to validate Jewish overrepresentation relative to whites. What about relative to Asians and Indians?

There are over 1 billion of each. All of whom can compete to get into the Ivy League.

Can you please run your arithmetic again except this time using the figures for say, Chinese people? 105 average IQ as your distribution mean with a population of more then 1 billion. Scale that against the Jewish population in the United States, and then compare the two populations' relative representation in the Ivy League.

Lets accept a mean Jewish IQ of 115, which is obviously not correct except 'possibly' for a tiny European Jewish subset. Let's also accept Peterson's obviously correct statistical argument about the effects of a higher average mean on tail distributions at higher sd's.

In we compare the IQ bell curves for Jews vs East Asians and Indians both of the latter produce a vastly larger genetic elite at >145 IQ relative to the jewish cohort. The difference in the number of people >145 IQ is simply overwhelming.

The Ivy league.is comprised of international universities open to competition on an international basis.

Yet Jews are still represented at a higher rate in the Ivy League then East Asians and Indians.

Blogger insight April 26, 2018 12:37 AM  

"Outside of white countries, TRIBALISM is a common thing and a commonly understood thing."

Oh tribalism is EXTREMELY strong in white countries or CW2.0 would have happened by now in the US with the white nigger aka the left on one side. In darkie countries they are now/would have been at each other throats over such differences.

"I think it is obvious jews have a higher verbal IQ than average..."

When your culture is centered around a strong literary tradition going back thousands of years ie... scriptures/bible it makes sense.

"Academics and their egos..."

And tied to goobermint paychecks, even worse

Anonymous Anonymous April 26, 2018 12:47 AM  

Continued...that is why Harvard is currently being sued by Asian Americans. The discovery on that litigation should be very interesting. I'm sure that the configuration and character of Harvard's alumni and administration means their compliance with discovery will be forthright and comprehensive. After all, they have nothing to hide.

I also, of course, asked the eternal question - if Jew-white IQ gap explains Jew(achievement)>white(achievement) what yonder black(achievement).

I directed all of it passed him to the liberal Academy by the way. I even said 'please don't answer it'. Because it's not his task to answer.

He left it up for about one hour. That was long enough for the sentient Lithuanian-Taiwanese sex-doll ChanChan to grasp, grip and disseminate your central point. The average Jewish IQ, which is the capstone and central pillar for the outliers of the distribution, isn't 115. It can't possibly be 115. So the myth of Jewish IQ explaining unfettered inexolerable Jewish success = BTFO and salted and burned and tossed into the Mitla pass with the civilians their paratroopers massacred.

I also asked, why is it, if Israel is a Mecca of IQ outliers, that they aren't the world's foremost economy. An economy comprised of geniuses with GDP characterised by IP and intellectual services shouldn't really be constrained by resource scarcity or size. It should be like an economy run by AI's. Why isn't Israel at least manifold multiples of Sinagpore?

I also embellished your point about the absence of over-whelming Jewish achievement from the past. There should be an abundance of jewish outlier achievers from the Crusader Kingdoms, or Muslim Spain, or Renaissance Italy. Their civil rights were sufficient for observable achievement given 3sd IQ advantage and impeccable scholarly records of everything they eat, think, shit and do. Absent.

So he knows Vox. I'm a midwit, at very best. Just synthesising your arguments, with a little embellishment, blew his grand 'arithmetic triumph over the bucko Nazgul' into a million tiny leaves on the Canadian breeze.

Someone was moderating in real-time my efforts, because all of them disappeared faster then housing subsidies to a Jewish slumlord.

So he knows. He hasn't 'answered the question'.

He can publicise and flaunt his flawless victory over the lead comment, so 'representative' of the apparent poor intellectual stock of right wing thugs. Just another conspiracy theorist helpless before the isolate and trinity of that 'irrefutable' average IQ of 115, the bell curve tail distribution, and openness to experience and liberalism. But he knows, and he knows we know.

I see why no one debates you. Even a midwit like me becomes something formidable armed with your mental tools and pugilist approach.

Go easy on Peterson. He can't say it. We all know he can't say it. He's doing good work. He just shouldn't have addressed it at all as you said. I'm not disappointed, as I said I assumed some vile abstruse law in the caliphate of Soviet Canadia-stan subjects him to massive duress.

In my last comment, I asked him how long he thinks the myth can be sustained, if even random non-entity midwits like me can now blow it to smithereens.

Blogger insight April 26, 2018 12:52 AM  

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Blogger insight April 26, 2018 12:56 AM  

Hmmm... The best hard science comes from Europeans that aren't known to be big mouth (((jive talkers))) ie.. Russians,Norwegians,Swiss,Finns, Germans.

Blogger insight April 26, 2018 1:02 AM  

"But he knows, and he knows we know."

If true that does not bode well for his character.

"Go easy on Peterson. He can't say it. We all know he can't say it."

"If you want to find out who rules over you..."

Anonymous Anonymous April 26, 2018 1:11 AM  

For my last comment before I scuttle away back under the parapets, I think you should also raise the following point:

It is impossible to find now any Jewish counsel, board of deputies, woman's group, all the way down to book-clubs and potluck dinners which don't relentlessly and forcefully advocate for mass immigration. That is uniform - every country in the Anglosphere is subject to this - Canada, Australia, England, the United States, New Zealand, not just all of western continental Europe. I've tried. I can't find a single one. Except Victoria's Jewish counsel, back in 2014 very slightly hedged it's commitment to LBTQ and diversity because too many goy were starting to know. So they shut it down.

What occurs? Anti-semitic attacks. Why? The mass importation of primarily deracinated angry young men whose anti-semitism is intrinsic to their ideology and baked into the fibre of their cultural fabric, often with good reason.

What follows?

Prevention of the import of the causation of the anti-semitism?

No. Like Thunder follows lightening instead you get mass censorship, the end of freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, and freedom of assembly, even Habeas Corpus, and destruction of the white gentiles right to draw any correlation between the sudden rise in anti-semitism and the import of anti-semites. For the goy's own good, you see.

They do it for our benefit. If we could talk about our daughters getting raped in what Peterson would regard as societal psyche shattering scale, we might get angry. We might delve into those reports about official facilitation and patronage of the muslim community pederasty. Then we might say things we might regret. So best subject to us to an absolute surveillance state and confiscate our sporks. It's all just nebulous, unconnected, causation absent attacks and rape by humans.

So perhaps just talk about that endless cycle. Immigration --> anti-semitism' --> erosion of civil liberties and suppression of outrages for societal cohesion.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 26, 2018 1:44 AM  

1. Stg58/Animal Mother April 25, 2018 7:40 PM
Will you be supplying the popcorn?



he's got to finance all these money losing publishing ventures somehow.

may as well sell buttered popcorn on the street corner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDAfa-NI-M

Vox is my Prairie Nigger in the valley ...



44. insight April 26, 2018 1:02 AM
If true that does not bode well for his character.


it is not an easy thing to choose to be a martyr. for good cause.

have you done it yet? it's quite easy to demand martyrdom of others ... Taylor used to do that.

Jordan has made a thunderous public stand IN SOME AREAS.

this is more than we can say for Conservatives. but then, Jordan has always been of the Left. he named his daughter Michaila ... in honor of Gorbachev saving the world from Ronnie Raygun.

is he perfect? no, not even close. i noted quite a ways back that he was prone to the 'professor's vice' of appealing to his own authority. "I think I've figured out the meaning of 'x'" is a common refrain in his lectures.

well, duh, of COURSE he thinks he has 'x' figured out. otherwise he wouldn't be expounding an opinion on it. most people do espouse opinions about which they believe themselves to be correct.

his reverence for the anti-Science Freud is another marker for weakness in his heuristics.

on the other hand, his fascination / fixation with narratives, Jung and mythic structures leverages as a very highly developed Rhetorical ability, even if he never studied Rhetoric as such.

and that alone is a good reason to pay attention to what he's doing.

Blogger insight April 26, 2018 1:54 AM  

it's quite easy to demand martyrdom of others ..."

It's not "martyrdom", its bullshitting people and those chickens will come home to roost.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 26, 2018 2:30 AM  

47. insight April 26, 2018 1:54 AM



that's fine. we get it, you've got an excuse to shit on somebody famous.

at least Jordan didn't put transvestites in your daughter's bathroom
...
which is more than you can say for Conservatives.

Blogger wreckage April 26, 2018 3:57 AM  



The notion that Jewish self-interest is a big driver of the multiculti cult suggests that

1) that self-interest needs to be pushed back until its influence is proportionate to the population (ie, close to zero), and that
2) Jewish IQ is NOT higher than average, since anti-Jewish violence is rising in step with immigration and "multiculturalism"; quite an obvious outcome, in fact.

This kind of undermining is just what happens when an immigrant minority gets too much influence; as pointed out by commenters above. They instinctively see the benevolent host as the enemy, and usually lack the persistent intelligence over time to hold that instinct in abeyance.

As far as Peterson, personally I'm rolling with "shut up and shoot left".

Blogger wreckage April 26, 2018 4:01 AM  

@43, it's true that if you want hard science done, your best bet is a small organized group of Germans or a larger, looser network of Brits. Or one crazy reclusive Russian.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 26, 2018 4:11 AM  

@46 it is not an easy thing to choose to be a martyr. for good cause.

have you done it yet? it's quite easy to demand martyrdom of others ... Taylor used to do that.


In those areas where Peterson feels that the risk of speaking truthfully is too great, he should just be silent. That's all anyone's asking. He is trying to portray himself as separate from us crazy right wingers for economic benefit alone.

We are concerned with pursuit of Truth. Someone who isn't - like a pop-psychology media star shrieking about irrational Jew hatred - is to our left.

Blogger Matrick April 26, 2018 4:34 AM  

It wouldn't surprise me if Ashkenazi IQ was as high as JP says, but grouped closer to the mean with fewer outliers. This just seems to fit with observable reality.
Regarding intermarriage: they are mixing with higher IQ whites, so if anything this will help them. A lot of Jews already resemble their host population. I've noticed that British Jews (including those born in the first half of the 20th century) look like they're mixed with upper class English.

Blogger S'mon April 26, 2018 4:34 AM  

"Peterson would have done much better to simply state that he is not free to state his opinion on the subject since he lives in Canada and is subject to Canadian anti-speech laws."

I'm pretty sure that saying "I'm not free to speak" is itself a speech crime, since it implies you had something criminal to say.

I thought Ron Unz pretty conclusively demolished the "Jewish dominance is solely due to Jewish ability" argument by looking at the stats for elite academy admissions, and being Jewish seems unlikely to be animated by racial animus.

http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

Blogger S'mon April 26, 2018 5:19 AM  

Just watched the stream - very good work.

Blogger Sillon Bono April 26, 2018 5:51 AM  

@53

That was a funny article on the Daily Stormer. But let's all pretend we didn't read it.

It was funny as hell I agree with the sentiment, when the Stormers stick to satire they're at their best.

Vox gets triggered: "I don't care what Stormpoopers do or say."

Seriously, the Stormers have a lot to thank Vox for. And unconsciously they do thank him.

But seriously... that article was funny as hell. Now, let's go back to pretending it's stupid for the sake of Vox Day's ego. We wouldn't want him to have another breakdown.

Where do you think you are?

Blogger insight April 26, 2018 6:07 AM  

"He is trying to portray himself as separate from us crazy right wingers for economic benefit alone."

Yeah that's some good paying "martyrdom".

Blogger Y. April 26, 2018 6:11 AM  

@Vox Day

>would by necessity be significantly reduced now due to the massive increase in Jewish intermarriage,

You disregard assortative mating. Who do you think the Jews keep intermarrying with, on average? Not random average people, but other people in high status occupations and of higher intelligence.

Intelligence of subsequent generations doesn't decline much then, because the mean IQ of a family of professionals is much higher than that of an average one.

@Noah B.Hawley
>You can trust psychologists, because if you don't we'll call you crazy, take your stuff, and lock you up.

That would be the role of psychiatrists, who have gone to med school. Psychologists, especially in the US where there's many of them, are usually far less impressive.

@Garuna

Piss off. Unlike you, my grandparents do have certificates of Aryan origin. I'll let you know they are all 'Jewish in spirit' however: Judge, pharma researcher/manager, procurer*, professional Bolshevik.

All the confirmation I need for knowing the West has been memetically pwned so hard they don't even know it is recall my childhood arguments with my commie grandparents. They were saying the exact same shit as western 'intellectuals'. They weren't so big on systemic racism but believed the idiotic shtick that the West got prosperous off the back of colonies.

_____________________

I don't disagree with commenters here on Jewish in-group preference, it definitely exists. But I don't believe it and luck account for all of jewish successes.

One fails to see how in-group preference would translate to superior performance in something like chess. Aren't Jews over-represented there in line with their theorised higher IQ?

Or look at SAT scores. Decent proxies for IQ. I'm sure some of the more IQ-obsessed bloggers have looked at this sort of data.


*of building materials. In the topsy-turvy world of state capitalism, running a construction company meant you had to employ a canny, likeable individual who'd spend his work time travelling around the country using any means up to petty bribery to get supply companies to sell you building materials. He was a born diplomat who got on well with anybody. Literally couldn't walk 400 m downtown without running into some acquaintance who was pleased to see him and would stop for a little chat.

Blogger Garuna April 26, 2018 8:00 AM  

I don't disagree with commenters here on Jewish in-group preference, it definitely exists.

Glad to know that I have helped you see the light. Now you must give up on the ridiculous 115 IQ meme. It simply does not make sense.

Haha.....the white trash are now hatin' on JP? Funny.

You should stop the posturing, Raghav. Everybody knows that you're actually very upset. JP is a smart guy who obviously understands the concept of tribalism. Especially since he's talked about it so much. But he's being intellectually dishonest by resorting to the 115 IQ meme which has suspect origins and crumbles under the smallest amount of scrutiny.

Blogger VD April 26, 2018 8:25 AM  

You disregard assortative mating. Who do you think the Jews keep intermarrying with, on average? Not random average people, but other people in high status occupations and of higher intelligence.

If they are in high status occupations, they don't have significantly higher intelligence. Do try to keep up.

Blogger VD April 26, 2018 8:26 AM  

But seriously... that article was funny as hell. Now, let's go back to pretending it's stupid for the sake of Vox Day's ego. We wouldn't want him to have another breakdown.

I've never had a breakdown of any kind, ever. Either retract the lie or you'll be spammed.

Blogger VD April 26, 2018 8:43 AM  

Furthermore, as regards "assortative mating", fewer and fewer Jews are getting married and having children at all, and those that don't tend to be the smartest ones.

Only 50 percent of American Jews aged 25-54 are currently married. Among those, close to 60 percent married non-Jews. The study was conducted by two leading scholars of American Jewry: Sylvia Barack Fishman of Brandeis University and Steven M. Cohen of Hebrew Union College. It analyzes data published in the landmark 2013 survey of American Jewry published by the Pew Research Institute. Within this group of non-Haredi Jewish-American adults, the study found the majority (60 percent) had no children living at home.

The assortative mating effect is not strong enough to counteract the effect of the smarter Jewish women not getting married at all, to say nothing of all the gay male Jews.

Blogger Y. April 26, 2018 11:14 AM  


>If they are in high status occupations, they don't have significantly higher intelligence. Do try to keep up.


What?


https://anepigone.blogspot.cz/2011/01/average-iq-by-occupation.html

Top ten occupations there, IQ wise, all include ones stereotypically had by Jews. Lawyer, Doctor, Psychologist, College professor.

Or go look at his other posts on Jewish privilege:

https://anepigone.blogspot.cz/search?q=jewish

Like me, he is no friend of theirs but he doesn't believe their intelligence is being overestimated.

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/ashkenaz.htm

^^that second link is more suited for your 140+ IQ.

As a mere 120 IQ pleb with ADD, I can't really follow it, nor am I inclined to, but people disagree with you on Jews being dumb.


>Furthermore, as regards "assortative mating", fewer and fewer Jews are getting married and having children at all, and those that don't tend to be the smartest ones.

IIRC, the real elites still keep marrying and having children. Audacious Epigone investigated eugenic fertility in Mormons and Jews. Not sure what he found, can't be arsed to go look at it right now.

>The assortative mating effect is not strong enough to counteract the effect of the smarter Jewish women not getting married at all, to say nothing of all the gay male Jews.


Yeah, present day situation for them is bad. But was it so dire in the past? And it's the past we're talking about. 1950-2000s, the time during which Jews started getting integrated into US society.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 26, 2018 11:53 AM  

@29

"Vox, do you ever think Europeans will somehow snap out of this high trust paradigm? Or will it be some kind of "YOU BETRAYED US!" backlash?"

How do you think most of the Alt-Right got to where they are now?

They already realize they were betrayed by both Conservatism and also by Libertarianism.

Blogger S'mon April 26, 2018 11:55 AM  

Assortative mating - IQ tends to regress towards the population ancestry mean. Anglos do not have a caste system, in fact their ancestral population had radical outbreeding, so the mean IQ of an Anglo lawyer's ancestors is not vastly higher than the mean IQ of an Anglo farm labourer's ancestors. It will be somewhat higher, but Anglo IQs by social class vary almost as little as Chinese IQs, and the mean ancestral IQs will vary much less.

Here in London the IQ of Jewish professional class seems very similar to that of the upper middle class WASP professional class. There is no WASP cultural cringe around eg Jewish lawyers; a non-Jewish barrister once told me, after beating an opposing Jewish legal team: "Lazy Jews - they never prepare their cases properly!"

Blogger Patrick Kelly April 26, 2018 12:14 PM  

Found it on YT but not Periscope. The last one I can see is "Why there won't be war with Russia".
Is there a secret handshake? Do I have join and sign in?

Blogger SciVo April 26, 2018 3:49 PM  

Y. wrote:>If they are in high status occupations, they don't have significantly higher intelligence. Do try to keep up.

What?

https://anepigone.blogspot.cz/2011/01/average-iq-by-occupation.html

Top ten occupations there, IQ wise, all include ones stereotypically had by Jews. Lawyer, Doctor, Psychologist, College professor.


If they were really all that smart, then due to the IQ communication gap, it would be harder for people to understand them, and harder for them to acquire social status. It is common knowledge that above a certain point, IQ actually becomes a drag on both professional and romantic success. And that's for men!

Blogger Harris April 27, 2018 11:53 AM  

VDay,

I'm not understanding the impetus to attack Peterson. I certainly don't agree with him on everything, but in the larger context, isn't encouraging young men (and some older men) to start acting like MEN a good thing? And isn't his willingness to stand up to politically correct bullying a good thing?

Aren't you violating the maxim about not shooting bullets at those on your own side (even if only temporarily)?

Is it really worth going to so much effort to discredit Peterson over his views on Jewish intelligence? Personally, I don't care if Jews are super-intelligent as a race or not. I just think they all need to go home to Israel, and stop undermining Christianity.

But any serious student of the Bible understands WHY the Jews are doing what they are doing. They've denied Christ, and thus are enemies of Christ. Nevertheless, the promises made to Abraham's chosen descendents are not predicated on THEIR worthiness, any more than our salvation as Christians is predicated on OUR worthiness.

So sure. They are unworthy. So what? The bigger issue is not whether they have higher intelligence, but that they need to return to Israel, and submit to the truth of the Messiah having already come. Everything else is noise - including arguing about how intelligent they may or may not be.

Blogger VD April 27, 2018 9:21 PM  

I'm not understanding the impetus to attack Peterson. I certainly don't agree with him on everything, but in the larger context, isn't encouraging young men (and some older men) to start acting like MEN a good thing? And isn't his willingness to stand up to politically correct bullying a good thing?

I am responding to an attack by Peterson.

Aren't you violating the maxim about not shooting bullets at those on your own side (even if only temporarily)?

I see zero evidence that Peterson is actually on our ideological or religious side. Is he a Christian? Is he a nationalist?

Is it really worth going to so much effort to discredit Peterson over his views on Jewish intelligence?

I am not going to any significant effort to discredit Peterson. I haven't even bothered to watch his videos or read his books. I addressed the Jewish IQ question days before I knew anything about Peterson addressing it. I am interested in the truth of the intelligence question; I didn't care about Peterson and I still don't.

Blogger Y. April 27, 2018 9:47 PM  

@Sci Vo

>If they were really all that smart, then due to the IQ communication gap, it would be
harder for people to understand them, and harder for them to acquire social status.

If average is 115, SD 15, then ~86% of Jews would have IQ under 130. That leaves a great deal of them smack dab in the zone where they're supposed to be fine leaders to men of above average intelligence.





Anonymous Anonymous April 28, 2018 12:16 AM  

Not a bad insight, Y. ... but traits other than IQ are certainly important too.  It isn't just IQ that creates communications gaps, emotional and cultural disconnects do as well.

Blogger Harris April 28, 2018 3:16 AM  

"I am responding to an attack by Peterson."

I was unaware of an attack by Peterson.

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