Wednesday, April 25, 2018

It's probably for the best

No more songs of Ice and Fire for you, at least not this year:
George R.R. Martin is confirming what Game of Thrones fans have increasingly suspected: The long-awaited sixth book in his A Song of Ice and Fire saga, The Winds of Winter, will not be out in 2018 (here are some of the best fan reactions to this news).

The author revealed the decision in a press release announcing a publication date for Fire and Blood, his upcoming history of the Targaryens which has clocked in at a massive 989 pages long.

“No, winter is not coming… not in 2018, at least,” Martin wrote. “You’re going to have to keep waiting for The Winds of Winter. You will, however, be able to return to Westeros this year. I do want to stress… indeed, I want to shout… that Fire and Blood is not a novel. This is not a traditional narrative and was never intended to be… let’s call this one ‘imaginary history’ instead. The essential point being the ‘history’ part. I love reading popular histories myself, and that’s what I was aiming for here … (Though there are enough stories here for twenty novels. Battles, bloodshed, betrayals, love, lust, horror, religious wars, politics, incest, historical revisionism, all the fun stuff) .… As for me, I’m returning once again to The Winds of Winter.”
I can, however, confirm that the full A Sea of Skulls will be released this year. The hardcover will definitely be available for Christmas.



Blogger Dexter April 25, 2018 7:59 PM  

Translation: I am rich now, so I'm just phoning it in.

Blogger Dave April 25, 2018 8:07 PM  

Battles, bloodshed, betrayals, love, lust, horror, religious wars, politics, incest, historical revisionism, all the fun stuff)

Rapes, he forgot the rapes, or is it a given at this point.

Blogger Ingot9455 April 25, 2018 8:07 PM  

Dude, if I wanted a Silmarillion I'd call someone with religion.

Blogger MendoScot April 25, 2018 8:22 PM  


Blogger Nathan April 25, 2018 8:38 PM  

Where's that George RR is not your bitch talk now, hmmm? I'm not flipping another page until (unless) he finishes. I'm not his bitch. I'm not going to be strung along by an author that I suspected was only out to manipulate his readers and who now seems to be stalling out on the world's longest dragon themed shaggy dog story.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 25, 2018 9:04 PM  

Martin's problem is simple enough. He's a discovery writer and there is nothing left to discover in Westeros.

It is however, interesting to note that a lot A Song of Ice and Fire's plot could have been roughly predicted (and pretty early on too) from Martin's socio-sexual standing.

Blogger Daniel Bendele April 25, 2018 9:04 PM  

If you read A Feast for Crows and didn't realize the jig was up, then God have mercy on your soul.

Blogger Hen April 25, 2018 9:06 PM  

Sierra hotel, VD. Outstanding, as always.

Blogger Bogey April 25, 2018 9:10 PM  

989 page imaginary history book. Can someone recommend a real history book about that length instead?

Blogger Rantor April 25, 2018 9:17 PM  

I have been waiting very patiently for the complete Sea of Skulls. Its release will make Christmas that much merrier! I thank you for working on that... between everything else that had to be done

Blogger Garuna April 25, 2018 9:17 PM  

Martin is deliberately waiting for the show to end before he writes the final books. He'll gauge public reaction. And he'll change whatever people don't like about the TV ending.

After all, he is a fat, neckbeard SJW who got famous. He must be afraid of screwing up the ending and losing "genius" status. So he plays it safe and lets the TV guys risk failure first.

Perhaps he'll never finish the books. He's old and unhealthy. He can't have that many years left. Then the readers can imagine a better ending than the TV show and he can retain "genius" status.

Blogger Bogey April 25, 2018 9:28 PM  

He's old and unhealthy. He can't have that many years left.

That's hilarious, his fans took one look at him and started saying, dude needs to finish the series before he drops dead. Which could be any moment now.

Blogger Justin Bailey April 25, 2018 9:36 PM  

Despite my friend ranting over Wheel of Time for decades, I never picked it up until it was finished. I'm glad I waited because without Brandon Sanderson it never would have been completed. It's looking like ASOFAI is heading towards the same conclusion, but by then the show will have been over for years. I'll stick to the show personally.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 25, 2018 9:39 PM  

If I want to read imaginary history, I'll read Tolkien.

Blogger D. April 25, 2018 9:57 PM  

ot but wanted to share with the ilk.

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Blogger kudzu bob April 25, 2018 9:58 PM  

The Last Dangerous Dragons.

Blogger Jew613 April 25, 2018 10:00 PM  

Bogey, if you enjoy Russian history "Stalin: Paradoxes of Power" is really good.

Blogger SemiSpook37 April 25, 2018 10:02 PM  

Now that is a high class maneuver. Epic doesn’t even begin to describe teh lulz involved here.

Blogger Bogey April 25, 2018 10:09 PM  

@17 Just put it on my Amazon Wishlist.

Blogger lazlo azavaar April 25, 2018 10:48 PM  

Martin's short fiction can be quite revealing at times. Look up his short story "The Pear-Shaped Man" for an odd bit of self-assessment.

Blogger Jack Ward April 25, 2018 10:49 PM  

@19 Gibbon? Of the Romans.
Shelby Foote Civil War

Blogger Weouro April 25, 2018 11:10 PM  

Sounds like they collected all the scraps off the cutting room floor and bound them to keep fans intetested.

Blogger FP April 25, 2018 11:18 PM  

Semi OT, but I see that the latest humble bundle "classic sci-fi" fiction bundle is supporting two charities, the jane goodall institute and the good ol' SFWA.

Blogger Bob Loblaw April 26, 2018 12:47 AM  

I always wonder with guys like this - is the problem that he's rich and lazy, or is it something like he finished the book on time, then started over because he decided it wasn't good enough. Since he isn't hungry he can afford to be paralyzed by the notion the book should be perfect.

Blogger Pax_Romana April 26, 2018 1:00 AM  

@20 I think "Meathouse Man" was more his self-portraiture: it's about a zombie rapist.

Blogger jdgalt April 26, 2018 1:06 AM  

By "the full A Sea of Skulls do you mean just a print version of the existing e-book, or is there going to be a volume 3 of the series, one in which the various major wars underway at the end of volume 2 (the Amorran civil war, Orcs vs Elves/Dwarves/Savonnaise, and/or Amorr vs whatever killed the Sanctiff) are resolved?

Blogger Aquila Aquilonis April 26, 2018 1:21 AM  

Like Josh said elsewhere, "NEXT YEAR IN AMORR!"

Blogger Constantin April 26, 2018 3:53 AM  

The show has gotten so bad that my interest it has waned considerably, but after reading the piss-poor A Dance with Dragons and now with Rape Rape delaying his sixth book, AGAIN, I've lost any interest I had in the series.

On the plus side, I've just ordered a copy of Summa Elevetica that is bound to arrive in a few weeks. Looking forward to that.

Blogger Sam Smith April 26, 2018 4:13 AM  

Yeah I want Sea of Skulls complete, looking forward to it.

Blogger LP April 26, 2018 5:36 AM  


Blogger Jonathon Davies April 26, 2018 5:57 AM  

No "Winds of Winter" this year to the surprise of absolutely no one. I doubt it will ever be published. Good news on Sea of Skulls.

Blogger Sam Spade April 26, 2018 9:34 AM  

I find this entry interesting to know about Sea of Skulls extended, don't care anymore about ASOIAF.

"A Throne of bones" was my second favourite fiction read last year after the impressive "Book of the New Sun" by Gene Wolfe.

Blogger Marsh 01701 April 26, 2018 9:47 AM  

Christmas is looking up if there will be a complete SoS series. I'm anxious to send it to friends who have given up on SF but don't know why. I know.

Blogger Edgar Abbey April 26, 2018 11:23 AM  

It’s time to admit A Song of Ice and Fire will NEVER be completed. The TV show will end soon. Everyone will know what’s going to happen. No need to read the books.

Blogger Thucydides April 26, 2018 11:49 AM  

"Imagined History" is essentially J.R.R Tolkien's entire "Arda" mythology (or in his words, "a second creation").

I think GRRM is setting an impossibly high bar

Blogger Dirk Manly April 26, 2018 11:54 AM  


>> Battles, bloodshed, betrayals, love, lust, horror, religious wars, politics, incest, historical revisionism, all the fun stuff)

> Rapes, he forgot the rapes, or is it a given at this point.

In the passage you quoted, every comma is "rapes."

Blogger Sam Gem April 26, 2018 3:46 PM  

I stopped caring about any forthcoming books by Martin after reading A Throne of Bones and wondering why I ever planned to read a forthcoming book by Martin.

Blogger Scott April 26, 2018 3:56 PM  

At Dawn We Slept. By Toland, a reasonable overview of Japan's moves and attack on Pearl Harbor. Shorter: Red Sun, Black Skies. Same time period but covering the ill fated Java Sea campaign of 1941-1942

Blogger HoosierHillbilly April 26, 2018 7:52 PM  


The Spanish Civil War by Hugh Thomas.

Try to find the original version. Some interesting parallels to current American politics and perhaps near future.

Blogger Harris April 27, 2018 12:00 PM  

Martin's books get more and more tedious as you go further into the series. He introduces hundreds of rabbit trails to follow that don't have an impact on the final purpose of the books. Indeed, unlike Tolkien, you begin to wonder if there is any purpose of the book series at all.

With so many loose ends, it is not a surprise that Martin is having trouble tying them all off to come to a coherent finish. He's created a Herculean task for himself that was wholy unnecessary. Tolkien had Tom Bombadil - seemingly a useless diversion that the movie maker wisely omitted from the screen play, because he has no purpose in the story. But Martin has a hundred Tom Bombadil's - all with much lower moral value, and thus a large part of his narrative is dedicated to story lines that go nowhere. It's a mess, and a disgusting degrading mess at that.

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