Thursday, April 26, 2018

NFL Draft Day

This is an open thread to discuss Day One of the NFL Draft. And just to get the conversation started, if I was the GM of the Cleveland Browns, I'd take Barkley, then Mayfield, with Allen as my fallback unless Darnold was still available and Mayfield wasn't.

I don't think that is what they will do, however. I think they'll take a quarterback at 1, then the Giants will take Barkley, as they should.



Blogger Mr. Naron April 26, 2018 3:28 PM  

The Browns SHOULD pick a coach.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) April 26, 2018 3:31 PM  

Mayfield should be the #1 pick

Blogger Nate April 26, 2018 3:51 PM  

talking head on the radio mentioned that apparently ESPN is spending all day being outraged about Allen quoting lyrics in a tweet when he was 14.

Because Racis.

Just when you thought ESPN couldn't possibly make itself more irrelevant.

Blogger Nate April 26, 2018 3:51 PM  

No way I would take Mayfield in the first round.

Blogger Thomas O April 26, 2018 3:54 PM  

Here's my take:
1) I assume the NFL brain trusts (scouts, coaches, owners, etc) is smarter then I am & they (as a whole) have trouble picking winners, I figure I'm way out classed in telling others who they should pick.
2) As I'm losing interest in the NFL anyway, I may not see (or care) if any of today's picks succeed or flop.
3) Also, as I am (was) little more then a casual fan (being a Lion's fan can be trying), draft day is way too much hype. I understand for the football junkie, it's great stuff.

I do wish good luck to all draft candidates today & don't wish ill on any of them. I hope they make the best of the opportunities they are given.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) April 26, 2018 3:54 PM  

Mayfield is the best qb in the entire draft

Blogger VD April 26, 2018 4:01 PM  

No way I would take Mayfield in the first round.

Accurate is accurate.

Anonymous Anonymous April 26, 2018 4:05 PM  

NEVER take a Big 12 QB in the first round.

Blogger Buffalo Bills April 26, 2018 4:05 PM  

Browns will take Darnold. We will trade up for Mayfield.

Anonymous Anonymous April 26, 2018 4:19 PM  

Yes, thank you, centurion, for making the obvious demographics obvious.

Blogger SDH April 26, 2018 4:20 PM  

Cleveland should take Mayfield at 1 and Chubb at 4.

Anonymous Anonymous April 26, 2018 4:27 PM  

The important quote ... He ain't black. They won't block. Just ask Derek Carr.

Blogger Linus April 26, 2018 4:31 PM  

Accuracy is by far the most important quality in a QB (I suppose along with decision-making) and Mayfield is the most accurate of all the available QBs. Josh Allen for all his arm strength has never cracked 60% completion percentage, even in high school. And I don't believe you can teach accuracy the way you can theoretically teach footwork or reading a defense.

Blogger repent or perish April 26, 2018 4:35 PM  

Vox, do you mean Darnold instead of Barkley?

Blogger Hammerli280 April 26, 2018 4:54 PM  

As much as I thought the Forty Ninnies were overrated, Joe Montana was an exquisitely accurate passer.

Having said that, I think there's a lot to be said for a QB who can throw the short pass reliably. Too many young QBs have a strong arm, but can't dial it back. The 8-yard pass is a defense-cracker.

Blogger Hammerli280 April 26, 2018 5:04 PM  

Having said that, were I running a team with a high draft pick, I'd trade it. A team that bad usually has a bushel of problems that can't be solved with a single 'magic player". Trade for some good team's first-round picks this year and next, get two GOOD players. I don't care how good your QB is, he won't pass for squat if the offensive line leaks. Invest in THAT.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 26, 2018 5:11 PM  

Picks 1-10 are the hype zone, trade down for picks

Blogger YIH April 26, 2018 5:25 PM  

Personally I wanted the Jax jags to relocate somewhere other than Jax. . But after seeing the team owner stand with ''black lives ain't worth squat'', perhaps an NFL team in the Islamic Republic of Londonistan will be interesting. I've been saying for a long long time that the franchise should be somewhere other than Jacksonville.

Blogger Dave April 26, 2018 5:26 PM  

Why is Allen apologizing? Now ESPN is claiming he's to be interviewed soon by Suzy Kolber. It's going to be painful to watch him grovelling.

Blogger SB Wright April 26, 2018 5:38 PM  

"Having said that, were I running a team with a high draft pick, I'd trade it. A team that bad usually has a bushel of problems that can't be solved with a single 'magic player". Trade for some good team's first-round picks this year and next, get two GOOD players."

Doing a quick Google search, I saw that the for the 2017 NFL Draft, the top 10 picks each got at least a $10M signing bonus, (with the #1 pick getting $20M) and the remaining 22 picks got between $4.6M and $9.3M bonus. Looks like the top pick in the second round gets about a million less for his bonus, and it trends downward from there.

I'm not knowledgeable about draft strategy, so out of curiosity, are there examples of teams which have successfully implemented this strategy of trading down, taking "value" players and parlaying the savings into better future picks or off-season acquisitions?

Blogger FUBARwest April 26, 2018 6:08 PM  

Look at the Patriots

Blogger van helsing April 26, 2018 6:36 PM  

Well it doesnt usually work out for the team giving up the first pick as well as you might think. teams going after it are too wise, and you will see why below. the team that drafts first by dint of record isnt well run. so more picks can mean more screwups. some had a good year the next year. but that may have more to do with the fact that they got to play a last-place schedule. for years on average the last place finishers did a little better the next year; you can count on that. like i said, some turned in a good year the next year, or the year after, but no long term success. meanwhile, trading away a big overvalued star has paid some massive dividends before. think the herschel walker trade. or the ollie matson trade. also see

Blogger van helsing April 26, 2018 6:39 PM  

whoops, mistook 58 for 59. matson trade sank both teams.

Blogger Erika Juhasz Nagy April 26, 2018 7:21 PM  

Somehow please Barkley fall to Jets!!

Blogger Jeffrey Johnson April 26, 2018 7:24 PM  

In the NFL if you don't have a quarterback, you have nothing. NFL teams need at least an Alex Smith level QB just to be able to win 8 to 10 games consistently. There are very few quality QB's that are drafted later than early in Round 2. The exception to the rule was Tom Brady and his situation was unique. Tom Brady split time his senior season with guy named Hensen. Hensen was considered a can't miss future NFL QB and Michigan's coach felt compelled to play him. In the build up to Tom Brady's draft, Brady graded out very well. He was accurate and had a strong arm. The reason why he slipped was because the NFL teams all assumed that there was some reason why Michigan's coach was making Brady split time. They just assumed that if Brady was all that then he wouldn't have been splitting time. It never dawned on the NFL that Michigan's coach was that incompetent that he would force a future NFL quarterback to split time. Of course Michigan's coach was just that incompetent even though he always fielded winning teams.

At least 4 QB's will go in the Top 10 and I suspect that the black QB from Louisville will go late in the Top 10 or by the early teens. I also suspect that 2 more QB's who nobody has heard of will go in the mid 20's as teams without QB's trade up into the back end of the first round to get a QB.

Defenses are so fast and big now due to performance enhancing drugs that NFL teams can draft quality defenders all over the draft but it is incredibly difficult to get quality offensive players. Teams have to reach on all offensive players these days. I'd expect guys like Calvin Ridley to go much higher in the draft than most people expect.

Blogger Watchu talkin bout Willis April 26, 2018 7:34 PM  

Hoping rumors of Browns drafting Mayfield #1 are true. Not sold on the other QBs. If they can pick up Barkley at 4, even better.

Blogger SDH April 26, 2018 8:01 PM  

Somehow please Barkley fall to Jets!!

It would be hilarious if the Jets made that trade to take Barkley.

Blogger Lazarus April 26, 2018 9:22 PM  

Nate wrote:talking head on the radio mentioned that apparently ESPN is spending all day being outraged about Allen quoting lyrics in a tweet when he was 14.

One has to ask why ESPN would spend so much energy searching that out to publish. Did they check out the tweets of all the high draft picks, or just the white guy?

Blogger allyn71 April 26, 2018 10:01 PM  

Cleveland fails again. Guess they loved Johnny Manzel so much they drafted Manzel 2.0. There is a reason they have sucked for 20 years running.

Blogger Jack Amok April 27, 2018 12:07 AM  

Imagine you're a 22 year old QB that everybody thinks is the real deal. You've played for championships, won big games, been da man, everybody says you've got a great future...

Then you wake up this morning, look in the mirror, and realize that today, you're going to become a Cleveland Brown.

Life keeps you humble.

Blogger Retrenched April 27, 2018 5:00 AM  

As a fan of the Sooners and Mayfield I'm sad to see him get drafted by Cleveland, the graveyard of quarterbacks.

At least he'll be paid well.

Blogger VD April 27, 2018 7:21 AM  

Vox, do you mean Darnold instead of Barkley?

No. And you'll notice the Giants took him.

Blogger Peter Gent April 27, 2018 7:36 AM  

I think Ozzie did a spectacular job so far on his last draft for the Ravens. We will see how things go today.

Blogger James Dixon April 27, 2018 2:26 PM  

> Life keeps you humble.

The words humble and Baker Mayfield are somewhat oxymoronic.

Blogger James Dixon April 27, 2018 6:42 PM  

Continuing on my above comment, which is to say that allyn71 has it exactly right. All his talent aside, Mayfield is a head case on par with Michael Vick.

Of course so was Jameis Winston, and the Bucs seem to have kept him on a tight leash. So it may work out.

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