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Wednesday, April 18, 2018

No one is happier than the satan

This is a usefully informative theological lesson for Christians from a rabbi.
Why Don’t Jews Believe in Original Sin? This is a delicate question, as it exposes one of the fundamental differences between the Christian outlook and the Jewish one.... So what, in fact, do Jews believe?

Consider the terms tov and ra, conventionally translated, as I wrote before, as “good” and “evil.” At every stage of the world’s creation, G-d pronounced it tov before proceeding to the next stage. On the creation of mankind, He pronounced it tov me’od (“very good”), and there is no indication thereafter that He changed his mind.

Ra does not actually mean “evil” in the English sense of the word. Some glimmering of its actual meaning can be ascertained from some of the other ways that the root is used. For instance, in Psalms II, 9 King David beseeches G-d to deal with his enemies: Tero‘em beshevet barzel (“You should smash them with an iron rod”), or in Isaiah XXIV, 19 the prophet begins his description of an earthquake: Ra’o hithro‘a‘a ha’aretz ("the Earth is completely shaken”). From these, we can see that it means something like “unstable, broken, dysfunctional” and therefore “bad.”

Human beings come into this world innocent of anything, but possessed of a capacity for good (commonly termed the yetzer hatov) as well as a destructive capacity, commonly termed the yetzer hara. The yetzer hara presents all the physical urges, the needs and wants, of the physical body which, like everything else in the physical realm, is subject to entropy -- that is, it wears out and falls apart. But he is also provided with a soul, whose highest purpose is to control those urges and channel them into positive actions.

To this end, children are provided with parents and other mentors, whose job it is to teach them right from wrong and self-control, so that his soul is capable of taking charge and leading a proper, sanctified life. Until that moment when he is capable of taking over, any “sins” that the child commits are the responsibility of the parent.

So when does a Jewish individual begin to sin? At the age of bar or bath mitzva. These terms mean “son or daughter of the commandments” because on reaching that age, they become subject to the 613 commandments in the Torah, and their parents are no longer responsible for their actions. This landmark occurs when a boy is 13 years old and a girl is 12. One of the most emotional moments of the bar mitzva ceremony comes when the boy’s father pronounces the blessing, baruch sheptarani me‘onsho shel ze (“Blessed is He who has exempted me from this one’s punishment”).

What is the Jewish concept of the satan? Well, we agree with the Christians that he is a mal’ach, conventionally translated “angel,” but there’s nothing “fallen” about him. He works for the same Divine Boss as all the other mal’achim. Think of the satan (the word means “adversary”) as the proctor of an exam. The proctor isn’t actively rooting for you to fail the test; to the contrary, he wants you to pass. But he administers a tough test, to be certain that it tests all your capabilities and that you’ve mastered the material, i.e. the life lessons available from one’s parents and other mentors. If you manage to pass the test, no one is happier than the satan.
Now, my dear Christian reader, combine this doctrine of a very good, unfallen world that has been harmed by the destructive capacity of Man with the mandate of healing the world under the guidance of the angelic proctor with the ultimate aim of bringing it together, and perhaps you will begin to understand what Jesus was talking about and why the concept of Judeo-Christianity is not merely a contradiction in terms, but offensive to Jews and Christians alike.

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Blogger The Smoking Man #3424 April 18, 2018 6:59 PM  

This sheds a lot of light on a lot of things.
How very alien.

Blogger Othello April 18, 2018 7:08 PM  

Respect.

Blogger Jack Ward April 18, 2018 7:13 PM  

Never heard it explained so...or explained at all. Guess I have failed something of a test by not delving into Judaism deep enough not to have needed this primer.
Thanks to the Rabbi for the teaching.

OpenID citizenoutkast April 18, 2018 7:13 PM  

So Paul was just being melodramatic? Hm, I guess I could describe some of my past teachers as "roaring lions," seeking to devour anyone they could. They probably would have hated me taking a sword to them, too.

Also, maybe Jesus' thanking of "the satan" (like "the Batman"?) for his excellent, albeit untraditional, method of teaching via offering to be worshiped was just left out of the Bible.

Blogger Lazarus April 18, 2018 7:27 PM  

The woman said to the serpent, "From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.'" The serpent said to the woman, "You surely will not die!…

There it is. The Original Lie. Now if the Rabbi is correct, Satan will be completely ecstatic when this happens:

Revelation 20:10 "and the devil (or Adversary) that deceived them was cast (or hurled, or thrown) into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone (or lake of burning sulfur), where the Beast and the False Prophet are."


To be fair, the Judeo part of Judeo-Christianity is not the only part that is full of lies and deception.

Blogger Cataline Sergius April 18, 2018 7:28 PM  

Instruction in our own faith is one of Christianity's biggest problems in America.

My "deeply shaken" days started in college after I took a Religious Studies course that was taught by an incompetent rabbi.

While I grant that faith is nothing if it isn't tested.

Still if I had been properly prepared that idiot shouldn't have made the slightest dent in my faith.

Blogger Lazarus April 18, 2018 7:37 PM  

Instead of "full of" I should have said "infiltrated"

Blogger Bradley Matthews April 18, 2018 7:39 PM  

The book of Enoch is quoted in several places in scripture and discusses fallen angels being locked in chains and darkness. In the Torah, the valley of Azazel is where the scapegoat was sent. Azazel is a named fallen angel in Enoch as well as the demonic X men character. The concept is not new. Ezekial 28 discusses the fall of a high ranking angelic being. Trying to excuse the adversary from being thrown into the lake of fire raises some serious red flags.

Blogger tz April 18, 2018 7:47 PM  

The reformation debated partial v.s. total depravity and how darkened the will was by the fall - original sin. But never denied such.

Jews perpetually reject Jesus as Messiah because he is superflous according to their theology. No sin, no savior. There are strains of evangelicalism too that want to fix the world, but they are, too, heresies.

The Fall and Original Sin are another point where we can't go too far with treating Genesis and Adam and Eve as fiction or archetypes and accept Evolution to make things gray.

Blogger Gastguma April 18, 2018 7:49 PM  

The discussion in the beginning of the book of Job contradicts this idea of Satan. First, Satan accuses Job in the face of God's praise of him. If he's on the same side as God, why are his statements directly at odds with God? Second, after Job passes the first test, Satan isn't happy at all, nor does he praise Job, but he rather continues to accuse Job, as if he's determined to prove himself right. If he is just a neutral tester of Job's character, why is he openly biased against Job? Third, God gives Satan authority to do certain things, but explicitly forbids him from killing Job ("Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.") The implication is that if God didn't restrain Satan, he would kill Job. Why would Satan kill Job, if his job is just to test him and he wants Job to succeed? This is from the Hebrew Bible, which Jews accept.

Blogger tz April 18, 2018 7:50 PM  

Satan (name in Hebrew) just was testing Job by killing off all his children and destroyimg all his wealth and afflicting him with painful boils?

So Hitler was just testing Jews by doing similar things?

Blogger S1AL April 18, 2018 7:50 PM  

Heh. What a load of utter nonsense. This doesn't even make sense in the instances where the Bible refers to a little-s Satan.

OpenID widlast April 18, 2018 7:51 PM  

And that's the pity, the Jews don't have a bloody clue as to what they're talking about and they most certainly don't practice the faith of Moses.

Blogger VD April 18, 2018 7:52 PM  

The discussion in the beginning of the book of Job contradicts this idea of Satan.

True.

This is from the Hebrew Bible, which Jews accept.

I'm afraid you just failed logic. The rabbi is directly telling you otherwise.

Blogger ratty April 18, 2018 7:55 PM  

Thanks to you, Vox Day, for choosing to post this nugget. It is enlightening.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 18, 2018 7:59 PM  

VD
with the mandate of healing the world


this right here is actually the single *most* Satanic aspect of Talmudic Judaism.

there is no Temple.

without the Temple, there can be no sacrificial offerings to redeem sins committed, whether by the Jew or by the Goyim.

to be guilty of not fulfilling the Law in every jot and tittle is to be guilty of the whole Law.

it has been ~2000 years since any Jew has offered a valid sacrifice. EVERY Jew for 2000 years has been in violation of the Law.

even when they had the Temple, they STILL had to make a Sin Offering at least once a year. because they were not perfect.

question: can a Sin Offering have any blemish? ANY?

yet the Jew asserts that HE will redeem the World, through his actions and sacrifices. in spite of his own blemishes.

Christ was the only Man without blemish. Christ is the only Man who *could* offer a sacrifice to redeem the World.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+3&version=KJV
"4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
"


the Talmudic Jews have acclaimed themselves as gods, "knowing good and evil" and capable of redeeming the World from evil.

and redefining good and evil in direct opposition to the text of the Law, along the way.

Blogger tz April 18, 2018 8:01 PM  

The Jews accept the Torah (first 5 books), the rest are interesting, but the real theology is the Talmud (and Kabbala) which is comparable to the Koran for evil.

Which reminds me, "Judiasm's Strange Gods" is in my reading queue.

Blogger tz April 18, 2018 8:04 PM  

The two problems with fixing, repairing, "healing the world" are they are giving bad medicine that poisons an already sick patient, and they don't care about free will, they will fix things whether you consent or not.

Blogger Jack April 18, 2018 8:04 PM  

This helps explain why so many occultists promote doctrines of 'beyond good and evil' and/or of the reconciliation of God and satan. I had no idea it was actually an accepted part of Jewish theology.

Blogger Robert Browning April 18, 2018 8:05 PM  

...Polish priest Henryk Zielinski, editor-in-chief of the Catholic weekly Idziemy, said during an interview with Polish TV (TVP) that Jews have “a completely different system of values, a different concept of truth.” “For us,” Zielinski said. “the truth corresponds to facts. For the Jew, truth means something that conforms to his understanding of what’s beneficial. If a Jew is religious, then truth means something God wants.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/polish-priest-claims-jews-have-a-different-notion-of-truth/

Blogger FUBARwest April 18, 2018 8:08 PM  

Thank you Vox for posting this. It's enlightening and clears things up extremely well. Thank the rabbi.

OpenID littl3x April 18, 2018 8:12 PM  

So, is this what Jesus meant when he called them the "Synagogue of Satan?"

Blogger Lazarus April 18, 2018 8:18 PM  

@10 Gastguma

The book of Job predates the Torah. It was the first book of instruction for Moses from his father-in-law Jethro.

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Blogger Servant April 18, 2018 8:19 PM  

Wouldn't that make the single greatest act killing children before they can know the tyranny of sin?

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 18, 2018 8:20 PM  

Speaking about the prideful king of Babylon, the passage shifts to describe the rebellion of Lucifer and the consequences.

Is Lucufer and Satan are one and the same? I think so.

Isaiah 14

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Blogger dienw April 18, 2018 8:23 PM  

This is of the Talmud.

Blogger Thucydides April 18, 2018 8:27 PM  

This is the sort of discussion which brings me back to the blog. Many thanks.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora April 18, 2018 8:29 PM  

Acceptance of the Old Testament doesn't prevent Jews from interpreting things differently or incorrectly. I suspect their current idea about the nature of Satan is an intentional response to Christianity but it could be deeper than that. Someone already mentioned the Book of Enoch which even if you don't believe it is doctrinally valuable serves as legitimate documentary evidence of the beliefs of some Jews in the few centuries before Christ. They did believe in fallen angels and real adversarial forces. This was an actual belief that was abandoned strongly after the advent of Christ so I'm fairly sure they explicitly chose sides.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 18, 2018 8:30 PM  

Did some quick reading and Judaism claims that Lucifer in Isaiah 14 is Venus.
My problem is that Jews here are, again, removing what is clearly a personal willful action by a being and assign those actions to something impersonal.
Similar to what the Jews do in assigning the suffering Messiah prophecies to the Hebrews/Israel.

Blogger haus frau April 18, 2018 8:30 PM  

Speaking of Satan worship, a video of Hillary and Huma Abedin has supposedly hit the dark net.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2539.htm

Blogger OneWingedShark April 18, 2018 8:33 PM  

tz wrote:The reformation debated partial v.s. total depravity and how darkened the will was by the fall - original sin. But never denied such.

Jews perpetually reject Jesus as Messiah because he is superflous according to their theology. No sin, no savior. There are strains of evangelicalism too that want to fix the world, but they are, too, heresies.

The Fall and Original Sin are another point where we can't go too far with treating Genesis and Adam and Eve as fiction or archetypes and accept Evolution to make things gray.



VD wrote:This is from the Hebrew Bible, which Jews accept.

I'm afraid you just failed logic. The rabbi is directly telling you otherwise.

But isn't the Talmud essentially an exercise in abrogating the Law of God through sophistic sleight-of-hand?

I remember Talmudic story (The Oven of Akhnai) where a bunch of rabbis get into an argument over the purity of a particular stove, and out of the group there's only one who dissents and he is rebuffed by his peers time and again and finally cries out something along the lines of "If I'm right, the X will show it" where X is in succession a tree, a stream, the building, and heaven itself and at each point a miracle concerning X happens culminating with the voice from heaven announcing that he is indeed right. — To each of the X other rabbis respond "the X isn't in the law" and responding to the voice in heaven with "The law is not in heaven" referring to Deuteronomy 30:12 to which "God smiled and stated, “My children have triumphed over Me; My children have triumphed over Me.”"

What an absolutely disgusting display/example this is, completely undermining God's sovereignty, authority, and power. That, is what the Talmud is.

Blogger Lazarus April 18, 2018 8:57 PM  

24. Blogger Servant April 18, 2018 8:19 PM
Wouldn't that make the single greatest act killing children before they can know the tyranny of sin?



Maybe not the single greatest, but if one believes in resurrection unto a trial for life, it sure puts the snuffed fetuses at a disadvantage.

Blogger S1AL April 18, 2018 9:00 PM  

"Did some quick reading and Judaism claims that Lucifer in Isaiah 14 is Venus."

Lucifer literally means "light-bringer" or "morning star". That's standard exegesis for both Jews and Christians.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 18, 2018 9:07 PM  

@33
I get that. The issue whether it is referring to a being or a planet.

Blogger Gastguma April 18, 2018 9:08 PM  

Most of Jesus's interactions with the Jews and Paul's statements about the Jews (he was raised a strict Pharisee), can only be understood in light of the fact that the Pharisees, from whom modern Jews openly admit they derive their religious tradition, valued their own rabbinic traditions over the Scripture and the Law of God given through Moses.

E.g., Mark 7:1-13:  "Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother; Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye."

Jesus never broke the Law of Moses; he constantly defied Rabbinic authority.

Blogger Lovekraft April 18, 2018 9:09 PM  

The deliberate interference in the ability of other groups to nurture their own young is a damning charge against them.

Blogger S1AL April 18, 2018 9:10 PM  

Erm... no, not really. The debate is only about whether that passage is a reference to Satan/The Devil or not. It's a bit of an oddity because the same phrase is used of Christ elsewhere. Just as "messiah" doesn't necessarily refer to Christ. "Lucifer" as a name for The Devil didn't develop until a few centuries into the AD period.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook April 18, 2018 9:13 PM  

Just ask a hardcore Satanist if you wonder if he wants you to win but apparently a rabbi works too.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 18, 2018 9:17 PM  

What a fucking freak show. And Jews wonder why Christians have persecuted them throughout history.

Blogger SirHamster April 18, 2018 9:22 PM  

tz wrote:So Hitler was just testing Jews by doing similar things?

If Jews manage to pass the test, no one is happier than Hitler.

"work sets you free"

Blogger Arthur Isaac April 18, 2018 9:23 PM  

"You by your traditions make the Word of God of no effect."

They are really the embodiment of the spirit of Antichrist.

Blogger Howard Stone April 18, 2018 9:24 PM  

God’s plan of salvation was God’s PLAN from the beginning. Jesus Christ dying for our sins was not a plan B.

Satan as of now has free reign on earth, and is able to travel back and forth to heaven. Satan is not in hell, not yet.

Satan is on trial, he is charged with the pride sin of wanting to be God. So, he has been given time by a just God to prove his case, to prove that he can be God.

He is the accuser, but his accusations aren’t really aimed at the people sinning, his accusations are meant to help him make his case against God.

Satan sees our sin as God’s failure. Satan thinks that if he was God he could eliminate sin. And Satan will have his chance, that’s what the Mark of the Beast and all that will be about.

But Satan does not understand Grace. Grace is a mystery to Satan. God’s Grace is what has saved us all, and Jesus’ sacrifice is God’s remedy for our sin.

Satan will try to remedy sin through other ways, and that’s what end times will be about, Satan trying to remedy sin without Grace, to try and prove that he deserves to be God. There are all kinds of theories about how Satan will try and remedy our sin problem, but whatever he tries will only work for a time and will eventually fail.

Blogger Viisaus April 18, 2018 9:27 PM  

In apostate Judaism, Satan has many reasons to be happy. Not the least because of this little known doctrine (this is from the review of Darren Aronofsky's 2014 film "Noah," that was tinged with occult Gnostic and Kabbalistic ideas):

http://drbrianmattson.com/journal/2014/3/31/sympathy-for-the-devil

Sympathy For The Devil

"If there was any doubt about these “Watchers,” Aronofsky gives several of them names: Semyaza, Magog, and Rameel. They’re all well-known demons in the Jewish mystical tradition, not only in Kabbalah but also in the book of 1 Enoch.

What!? Demons are redeemed? Adolphe Franck explains the cosmology of Kabbalah: “Nothing is absolutely bad; nothing is accursed forever — not even the archangel of evil or the venomous beast, as he is sometimes called. There will come a time when he will recover his name and his angelic nature.”"

Actually, that kind of rehabilitation of Satan would be like the ultimate triumph of anti-segregationist ideology - no longer will the demons be cruelly discriminated against, as heaven adopts open-borders policy.

Blogger Viisaus April 18, 2018 9:33 PM  

In the occult doctrines of Kabbalah, Satan is also called the "shadow of Yahweh." That late 1990s South Park film gave us a glimpse of this satanic idea, that good cannot exist without evil to complement it:

"They say I don't belong

I must stay below alone

Because of my beliefs I'm suppossed to stay where evil is sown

But what is evil anyway

Is there reason to the rhyme

Without evil there could be no good so it must be good to be evil sometimes"

Blogger Arthur Isaac April 18, 2018 9:35 PM  

In my group, our understanding for the last several years has been that the "Earth" of the Bible is the place in of wilderness between the Red Sea and the Jordan where the carcasses of the unfaithful fall. In this age the "Earth" is represented by the people unwilling to proceed into the Promised land, the Churchians who operate in humanism while refusing their Lord and Savior. When we read Revelation they are "those who dwell on the Earth".

The Bible tells us to mount up with wings as eagles, to look up for our redemption draweth nigh, to sit with Him in heavenly places.

My 2 cents of eschatology.

Blogger Darwinite April 18, 2018 9:38 PM  

That’s Sorcha Faal. Nothing they’ve said has ever come true. Pure Russian fanfic.

Blogger haus frau April 18, 2018 9:44 PM  

@46 yeah, but can you really count Hillary out like that?

Blogger Viisaus April 18, 2018 9:48 PM  

Israel Shahak informs us:

https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis3.htm#Orthodoxy and Interpretation

"Or take another example: both before and after a meal, a pious Jew ritually washes his hands, uttering a special blessing. On one of these two occasions he is worshiping God, by promoting the divine union of Son and Daughter; but on the other he is worshiping Satan, who likes Jewish prayers and ritual acts so much that when he is offered a few of them it keeps him busy for a while and he forgets to pester the divine Daughter. Indeed, the cabbalists believe that some of the sacrifices burnt in the Temple were intended for Satan. For example, the seventy bullocks sacrificed during the seven days of the feast of Tabernacles9 were supposedly offered to Satan in his capacity as ruler of all the Gentiles,10 in order to keep him too busy to interfere on the eighth day, when sacrifice is made to God."

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 18, 2018 9:48 PM  

Satan mentioned in the OT other than in Job.
1 Chronicles 21:1
Zechariah 3:1,2

All narrate an sentient being, consistent with Job and references in the NT.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 18, 2018 10:07 PM  

Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 18, 2018 10:08 PM  

haus frau wrote:Speaking of Satan worship, a video of Hillary and Huma Abedin has supposedly hit the dark net.

If Hillary hasn't murdered children in Satanic rituals, I shall be surprised.

Darwinite wrote:That’s Sorcha Faal. Nothing they’ve said has ever come true. Pure Russian fanfic.

I shall be almost as surprised if Sorcha Fal ever tells the truth.

Blogger MickDundee April 18, 2018 10:32 PM  

Kinda OT but....

Vox, do you have any advice on how to handle life after discovering the JQ?

Learning the true nature of (((them))) is an important redpill. But it’s also sobering and rather traumatic — especially if you are from Flyover County and taught since birth to worship the Judeo-Christ and Holocaustianity.

It’s very easy to become extremely angry given the deception. Spending any time actually interacting with these (((rats))) on Twitter is infuriating... and pretty much validates the theories of every anti-Semite in history, including the famous German ones.

How does one avoid going completely off the rails and becoming a raging 1488 anti-Semite stormtrooper? How do you now live amongst “normie” friends and family without coming off as a “nazi” freak? How do you deal with apparently friendly Jewish friends and associates moving forward? How do you live as a Christian when the “church” seems completely dominated by Jewish interests?

Any advice will be appreciated. I’ve been an emotional wreck since swallowing my redpill in late 2015, and it’s cost me several relationships in the real world, including relationships with so-called “Christian conservatives.” Sometimes I feel myself literally boiling with rage.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 18, 2018 10:35 PM  

After the post the other day on the difference between sin and wicked, I was wondering if it is possible to be wicked without sin. Question answered.

The jew sees himself as demigod, sheppard of the wicked.
"Blessed is He who has exempted me from this one’s punishment" meaning they can do as they please to you, without guilt.

Blogger Brad Matthews April 18, 2018 10:41 PM  

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 19, 2018 12:15 AM  

You can certainly see why they excel as attorneys though, if that's in their tradition.

Blogger Drew April 19, 2018 12:26 AM  

@52 it is important to redpill fellow Christians on the true nature of modern Judaism. Going full 1488 is counterproductive, and the rabbis have used it to their advantage. Having once been an Orthodox Jew, the Achilles' heel of the rabbis is their monopoly over Jewish identity. This is why they sperg out at the idea of Messianic Judaism. If Jewish belief in Jesus ever becomes normalized to any extent, their power evaporates.

You can use this to your advantage. Get Christianity to treat Jews in exactly the way they treat Jews who believe in Jesus. And make all support to Israel conditional on how they treat Jews with Christian beliefs. Most Jews are secular and are not willing to maintain the "it is unacceptable for a Jew to believe in Jesus" line if there is some actual cost to holding it. Same goes for the nation of Israel.

Blogger CM April 19, 2018 12:50 AM  

Is this classical Judaism? I thought I had a passing understanding of it, but if this is it, it is unrecognizable.

How is Christ a fulfillment of that?

Or is it just a new and modern instance of Jewish apostasy which seems to be their habit?

Blogger Joshua Hardy April 19, 2018 1:26 AM  

It is referring to a being: The King of Babylon. The entire passage is making fun of the King.
Venus is one of the brightest objects in the sky and was often called the, “morning star.” It doesn’t refer to Satan but instead is just a way of saying that the King thought he was a big star - and look how far he fell.

Blogger vorlos April 19, 2018 1:32 AM  

The truth shall set you free. Stand up to all who oppose the truth, no matter who they are to you. Superficially get along with all. But never back down to anyone if confronted. Do what you can wherever you're at, however small do it. Above all, don't be "nice." Show manly resolve. Recently, we forced a local megachurch to take down the Israeli flag. We weren't nice and slammed them on the social media. Speak up and face them down.

Blogger Antony April 19, 2018 1:43 AM  

The last Voxiversity vid was on Christianity - I think a good subject for a future one would be "The Fraud of Judeo-Christianity" - Vox has covered this in his livestreams, but these are often interrupted by questions from the audience and other subjects - the vid could be geared towards educating evangelo-cons,atheists and normies, and would be most timely given the evangelo-con urge towards endless wars and taxes being used for "God's Chosen People".

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 19, 2018 1:50 AM  

57. CM April 19, 2018 12:50 AM
Or is it just a new and modern instance of Jewish apostasy which seems to be their habit?


a couple of threads back, i linked a youtube video of a Chasidim explanation of the Fall. you should watch that.

the explanation of the rabbi was that Eve did not sin, she had a greater understanding of the Will of God than Adam did. Adam was weak, NOT because he allowed his wife to tempt him, but because he had failed to comprehend the hidden will of God as well as Eve had.

yes, God had told them not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge. but He had secretly ( ie - God lied to them ) wanted them to do so. because Eden was not the "lowest" form which needed to be redeemed, it was simply an intermediary area.

the rabbi says that the Earth *already* existed before Adam and Eve came to Eden and was *already* corrupt. why, then, did God call it good in his eyes? no explanation.

the rabbi says that Adam and Eve were not "cursed" on their expulsion from Eden, rather that God was simply describing the consequences of being cut off from the Tree of Life and Eden.

the rabbi says that the Serpent did nothing wrong, that he had only "helped" Eve to understand the Will of God. the rabbi says that the Serpent was NOT cursed. rather, that what was laid on the Serpent was the natural consequence of not being within the Garden any longer.

because it was God's will that the "good" creation which He had just made needed to be redeemed to Him. because it was faulty and corrupt.

basically, the rabbi took every single direct moral statement in the first three chapters of Genesis and inverts it's meaning.

Blogger Markku April 19, 2018 2:00 AM  

Vox, do you have any advice on how to handle life after discovering the JQ?

Read old things. Read Luther, read the early Church Fathers from the book Ante-Nicene Fathers. (available online for free, as it's in public domain). You'll find the sanity soothing, like you're not the only one who sees this. Especially read Luther, and see that the narrative about Luther and the Jews is a lie. That he went off the rails in his old age. Just read him. Earliest books, latest books, doesn't matter.

Blogger Markku April 19, 2018 2:52 AM  

2Th 2:9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders,
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

Does this seem, in many ways, like an era that is more deluded than others? Then don't fill your spiritual belly with deluded food. Fill it with any age other than this.

Blogger Bogey April 19, 2018 2:53 AM  

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Blogger Bogey April 19, 2018 2:54 AM  

Christians have a wildly different view of Satan than the Jews.

Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Crucified so that he may destroy death, which is the devil. Sounds like the devil is more than just a proctor.

Blogger VD April 19, 2018 3:17 AM  

Is this classical Judaism? I thought I had a passing understanding of it, but if this is it, it is unrecognizable.

Judaism is not the religion of the Israelites, but rather, a mutated evolution derived from the Pharisees.

How is Christ a fulfillment of that?

He is not. He is the literal antithesis of it. Which, of course, is why they hate him.

Or is it just a new and modern instance of Jewish apostasy which seems to be their habit?

More or less.

Blogger FrankNorman April 19, 2018 3:50 AM  

Sounds almost like the Yazidi - they basically take it a few steps further.

I think these crazy-seeming reinterpretations of the plain meaning of the Old Testament are partly motivated by a desire to seem clever. "Look how smart I am, I can understand it better than anyone else! No, it doesn't really mean what the words say, it means this subtle thing that nobody but I can see!"

And then there's the "the truth is whatever we want it to be" mindset - that also explains much.

Blogger Viisaus April 19, 2018 3:57 AM  

"Judaism is not the religion of the Israelites, but rather, a mutated evolution derived from the Pharisees."

Apostle Paul clearly indicates that there existed already back in his day false occult lore among unsaved Jews - after rejecting Christ, they began to listen to the shady Kabbalistic doctrines more and more (besides chewing over the fruitless Talmudic rules):

http://biblehub.com/titus/1-14.htm

"Therefore rebuke them sternly, so that they will be sound in the faith, 14 and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of men who have rejected the truth. 15 To the pure, all things are pure; but to the defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure."

Blogger Viisaus April 19, 2018 4:03 AM  

Talmud and Kabbalah are like Yin and Yang, or Apollonian and Dionysian sides of apostate Judaism. When they want to be orderly and "law-abiding," Jews follow the petty Talmudic rules. But when they want to "walk on the wild side," so to speak, they can resort to mystical Kabbalistic occultism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankism

"Netanel Lederberg claims that Frank had a Gnostic philosophy wherein there was a "true God" whose existence was hidden by a "false God". This "true God" could allegedly only be revealed through a total destruction of the social and religious structures created by the "false God", thus leading to a thorough antinomianism. For Frank, the very distinction between good and evil is a product of a world governed by the "false God". Lederberg compares Frank's position to that of Friedrich Nietzsche.[11]"

http://www.culturewars.com/2003/rabbidresner.html

"If Ford were more knowledgable about Jewish history in general and the story of Shabbetai Zevi in particular, he might have understood that the connection between pornography and 'tikkun olam' is not as far-fetched as it seems on first reading. In a paper presented at a conference sponsored by The Institute on East Central Europe and The Center for Israel and Jewish Studies at Columbia University in 1983, Jacob Allerhand claims that 'according to Sabbatian teachings,' Sabbatai Zevi's drunken orgies, 'represented erotic mysteries that were supposed to make a way through the ‘gate of lechery' into the hall of eternity.' In other words, those Jews who were influenced by the Kabbalah - Jews like Nathan of Gaza and his protege Shabbetai Zevi - could posit 'a connection between the Original Sin, with the origin of shame, and the tikkun (repair of the blemish) as the elimination of shame under the new messianic order.'"

Blogger Viisaus April 19, 2018 4:20 AM  

"Christians have a wildly different view of Satan than the Jews."

Well, admittedly old-school Jews are not tame liberal churchians who think that devil is a just a metaphor. It fact, believers in uncensored Kabbalah think that the world is chock-full of demonic forces.

https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis2.htm

"What, then, are the views of [the Hasidic] movement concerning non-Jews? As an example, let us take the famous Hatanya, fundamental book of the Habbad movement, one of the most important branches of Hassidism. According to this book, all non-Jews are totally satanic creatures 'in whom there is absolutely nothing good'. Even a non-Jewish embryo is qualitatively different from a Jewish one. The very existence of a non-Jew is 'non-essential', whereas all of creation was created solely for the sake of the Jews."

To those who believe such doctrines, every goy is a little satan, a devil in human form.

Blogger Howard Stone April 19, 2018 4:27 AM  

Just as there are types and shadows of Christ all throughout the OT, so are there of antichrist.

Blogger Bogey April 19, 2018 5:51 AM  

@ 71 "Just as there are types and shadows of Christ all throughout the OT, so are there of antichrist."

The Devil even seems to have an imitation of the Trinity. Himself, his spirit and the Antichrist.

OpenID Sidehill Dodger April 19, 2018 6:02 AM  

The Smoking Man #3424 wrote:
How very alien.


Yes, it's alien to any Christian-influenced view of morality; it's pagan. The author defines evil as "...it means something like “unstable, broken, dysfunctional” and therefore 'bad'." (Note the scare quotes.)

This reminds me of nothing so much as Plato's definition of virtue (what we might be tempted to translate as "goodness") in terms of functionality. The virtuous is functional, the bad is defective. The sharp knife that holds an edge well is a good knife; one that breaks when you need it most is a bad knife. No, this is not some sort of utilitarianism--those are the "greatest good for the greatest number guys", but a concept of virtue and goodness that is entirely alien to our way of thinking. (Though I fear it's coming back...)

Plato extends this definition of virtue to the human soul in what can very easily be translated in psychoanalytical terms: the soul of a virtuous man is one that is well-balanced; he functions well. A dysfunctional man is a bad man. According to this view, a psychiatrist engages in the work of redemption: he makes bad people into good ones.

I seem to recall an essay by the notable Elizabeth Anscombe in which she argues that our entire notion of morality cannot be understood without the Christian concepts of sin and redemption. I can't find the exact passages I'm thinking of now (and I'm far away from my library), but Anscombe said a lot of very sensible things, and is well worth reading.

I do think she talked about "Judaeo-Christ", though; the above rabbinical quote seems to indicate that the "Judaeo" part is as alien to us as was Plato. I am not an authority on Jewish/Talmudic thought. What do some others say?

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 19, 2018 6:10 AM  

It certainly explains a lot, doesn't it?

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 19, 2018 6:12 AM  

As one who's not very familiar with ALL of this, the thing that strikes me is the arrogance on one side vs. the humility on the other.

No surprise, really. But striking.

Blogger Father Vinnie April 19, 2018 6:45 AM  

To MickDundee @52. I know your question is directed to Vox, but I may be able to help (at least a bit). Look up E. Michael Jones on YouTube. He has written a mammoth book entitled The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit (and Its Impact on World History). Text plus end notes is over 1100 pages. The basic thesis that he presents is brilliant, and it's biblically verifiable. He says that when the Jews rejected Jesus Christ on the first Good Friday, they rejected not only Jesus of Nazareth but also the eternal Logos. In place of the eternal Logos they chose Bar-Abbas, who was a revolutionary and a murderer. (In fact, the Aramaic meaning of Bar-Abbas is "son of the father.") Thus, the Jews as a group chose a fake "son of the father" over the true Son of the Father, and they thereby became eternally restless and revolutionary in their relationship to the world in general, and to Christians in particular.

Dr. Jones' book is expensive, and worth every penny (about $55.00). But I would encourage you to first watch the videos wherein he unpacks his thesis and talks about specific examples from western history.

I find that his approach helps me to be simultaneously red-pilled on the JQ and charitable towards the Jews who are stuck in their own wild, angry, and dangerous worldview. I have permission to not be angry, myself.

And I have also found that it's almost impossible to personally red-pill normies on any subject of importance. You can drop a few bread crumbs now and then, but they will have to find the way home, themselves.

Blogger McChuck April 19, 2018 7:20 AM  

Gross oversimplification:
Jews seek salvation through obeying the law. Faith and morality are unnecessary as long as you follow the rules. (This may be why you find so many Jewish lawyers.)

Christians seek salvation through being good people and faith in Christ.

Blogger Johnny April 19, 2018 7:51 AM  

The thing about Judaism is that following the Babylonian captivity, Cyrus the great ended up giving what I will call here the Yahweh cult, institutional support from the government. (Apparently in the hope of getting a little stability in the region.) That made the position of High Priest one of great importance. Nepotism was the order of the day, and the High Priest was free to hire his own clan for all the important positions.

And then there was the Levi clan, the entrenched hereditary priesthood. No doubt they made up the rural hierarch in the religious establishment. The ground troops so to speak, in the enforcement of religious doctrine. How we go from Levites to Seduces and Pharisees is unclear to me, but surely they were all Levites because that was the order of the day. And surely they were also connected Levites in that they were employees of the temple in Jerusalem as run by the High Priest and his clan.

And then you have the Romans. They didn't give a rip about the local religion, except as it interfered with Roman rule, and in particular of course, Roman tax collection. That was the major benefit the Romans got for ruling the place. The major cost was garrisoning the troops, and perhaps handout policies to certain social leaders.

I believe the above considerations largely explain where the Pharisees were coming from in their arguments with Jesus. They were representatives of the established order, made up of the usual: self serving politically connected individuals. The Pharisees had to maintain the High Priest and the official doctrine as the holy writ, and of course had no interest in an upstart rabbi or priest called Jesus, who by his nature was a challenge to the authority of the High Priest. But Jesus not so much of a challenge to the Levites out in the hinterland who were not employed directly by the High Priesthood. And so you get the conflict. Jesus gets relatively friendly treatment from the local Levite priest, and is an active adversary to any Levite who is in the employ of the Temple in Jerusalem.

After the second great rebellion, apparently the Romans killed off anybody identified with being in the High Priest line, as it disappeared. The Jews took what was left of their doctrine and built on it through their Rabbi's, and Christians drifted off into the doctrine as presented by Jesus.

Blogger RC April 19, 2018 8:09 AM  

"And I have also found that it's almost impossible to personally red-pill normies on any subject of importance. You can drop a few bread crumbs now and then, but they will have to find the way home, themselves."

This is truth, but it's entirely understandable. It is agonizing to consider that one's entire life has been built upon falsehoods, from foundation to tie beam. Those seeking truth pay a high price, as Mick's question demonstrates. Even so, I cannot imagine living life willfully blind. The red path is the right path even though the gate is narrow, perhaps because the gate is narrow.

Blogger nswhorse April 19, 2018 8:11 AM  

Christians seek salvation through faith in Christ alone, by the grace of God alone. We are not good people, and never will be in this world. We are sinners whose sins are covered by the perfect sacrifice of Christ, the only truly good person.

Blogger Matthew April 19, 2018 8:59 AM  

Johnny wrote:How we go from Levites to Seduces and Pharisees is unclear to me, but surely they were all Levites because that was the order of the day.

No, the Sadducees were the Edomites who had been forcibly converted by John Hyrcanus (the first "conversos"). We know that Herod's father was an Edomite ("Antipater the Idumean"), and it seems likely that the priesthood had been also been taken over by the enemy within.

I'd like to think the Pharisees were merely the Babylonized Judahites, but Josephus says that of the three Judean sects, only the Essenes were "Judeans by birth".

Blogger CM April 19, 2018 9:21 AM  

the explanation of the rabbi was that Eve did not sin, she had a greater understanding of the Will of God than Adam did. Adam was weak, NOT because he allowed his wife to tempt him, but because he had failed to comprehend the hidden will of God as well as Eve had.

This is perverse. And tragic.

My understanding of oral tradition and ritual worship in Ancient Israel was so that the repetition would help them recognize messiah when he came. Passover, Yom Kippur, many I don't know...

When I mentioned this elsewhere, a new Jew was surprised - she had never heard this. In fact, she and many others write about Judaism in such a way I thought I was thoroughly ignorant.

But they have twisted it so far from its origins they are going to be forever lost.

Has Rabbi B written about this at all? The corruption of Messianic Judaism to Talmudic Judaism?

Blogger CM April 19, 2018 9:27 AM  

I'd like to think the Pharisees were merely the Babylonized Judahites, but Josephus says that of the three Judean sects, only the Essenes were "Judeans by birth".

I thought this, too. I also thought there resurrection theology placed them closer to Christ, but I don't think that anymore.

Is there any good reference/reading for this historical evolution? Were the high priests Levites?

I know Zechariah was a Levite, so they were still around as priests at least at that time.

OpenID widlast April 19, 2018 9:40 AM  

"I cannot imagine living life willfully blind"

You've no doubt heard the saying "ignorance is bliss".
Back in my bar fly days I'd spend my evening chatting with other drunks, and it never ceased to amaze me how few had any interest whatsoever in knowing what was going on in this world or the next one. They just could not be bothered.

Blogger SB Wright April 19, 2018 9:53 AM  

Slightly OT:
Would someone recommend a good "Bible reader's companion"? I mean a book which sheds light on the context of what is going on in the Bible, especially for those who might otherwise miss references/allusions in the text. The intended recipient has a linguistic background, so if it (or an additional book you'd like to recommend) explains the translation/meaning of key terms or verses, that would be ideal.

Blogger Howard Stone April 19, 2018 9:56 AM  

Nothing’s perfect, I’m kJV only, Matthew Henry’s commentary is a one I suggest.

Blogger Howard Stone April 19, 2018 10:00 AM  

Read the OT, it’s mainly about how the Israelites again and again whore after pagan idols. Again and again. This is a chronic problem and the influence of these false religions has polluted their theology.

OpenID widlast April 19, 2018 10:26 AM  

@85 Orthodox Study Bible, Thomas Nelson publisher

Has references and cross references for everything.
Gives you a very good understanding of the interconnected nature of scripture.

Blogger Johnny April 19, 2018 10:34 AM  

SB Wright wrote:Slightly OT:

Would someone recommend a good "Bible reader's companion"?


My favorite current method is to type in something like Luke 2:2 (or whatever your current chapter/verse is) into an internet search. There are a couple good websites to choose from.

Blogger Johnny April 19, 2018 10:38 AM  

Matthew wrote:I'd like to think the Pharisees were merely the Babylonized Judahites, but Josephus says that of the three Judean sects, only the Essenes were "Judeans by birth".

I am familiar with the Old Testament and I had no idea that they had already moved that far away from the original doctrine at the time of Jesus.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 19, 2018 11:03 AM  

Howard Stone wrote:Nothing’s perfect, I’m kJV only, Matthew Henry’s commentary is a one I suggest.

I definitely second the recommendation for Matthew Henry's Commentary.

There are several study bibles which annotate the text with information about parts of speech, tense, et cetera.

Blogger McChuck April 19, 2018 11:13 AM  

@80 nswhorse: I did say gross oversimplification.
"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

Blogger Miguel April 19, 2018 11:16 AM  

So, prideful and wealthy people, with tons of influence in the West, want to "heal the [non-jewish] world" under the guidance of demons.

What could possibly go wrong?

Blogger Mocheirge April 19, 2018 11:17 AM  

A friend once told me this parable:

A lot of people think that Judaism and Christianity are like baseball leagues. Judaism, being older, is the National League. Christianity, as the American League, uses Jesus as designated hitter. But when they compete in the Cultural All-Stars Game, they agree to use National League rules, so Jesus isn't allowed to play. Consequently, the American League gets trounced every time.

Blogger CM April 19, 2018 11:20 AM  

It's more the dissolving of the Levitical priesthood in Judaism that I'm after.

I get the whore of Babylon part.

They squandered their inheritance and have lost it. It's strange to me but I always held ancient Judaism as separate from Christianity, but the more I learn about modern Judaism, the more I recognize Christians are the true heirs now.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 19, 2018 11:31 AM  

Mocheirge wrote:A lot of people think that Judaism and Christianity are like baseball leagues.
Except Jews are playing Australian rules football, with the optional shotgun supplement.

Blogger Jew613 April 19, 2018 12:17 PM  

Vox, Some orthodox Jews believe as the rabbi you quote. Most, including myself, follow the opinion laid out in Gemara Sanhedrin and by the Alter Rebbe that the Sitra Achra which is all evil spiritual forces opposed to the one True G-d, including HaSatan, are inferior to G-d but are truly evil and wish to twist and pervert all that is good. They do not wish humanity to succeed. At the end of days Hashem will slay all these evil spiritual forces and then the world will be filled with knowledge of the divine.

Blogger Paul Sacramento April 19, 2018 12:26 PM  

Original sin is viewed in different ways in the different denominations BUT they all agree about man's fallen nature and that we all need fixing.
As for Satan and "the satan". There are different views about this ( how he started, when he fell, etc) but all denominations view Satan as an actual person/divine being that not only rebelled BUT leads others in rebellion against God's plan.
Most Judaism doesn't view Satan that way of course, but some do.
Judaism isn't 100% of this and nothing of that BUT most follow the rabbinic teachings more than the literal "Old testament".

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 19, 2018 12:31 PM  

How to function? Minimize it. Trivialize it.
Like, Twilight got written. It was a near religious experience for a ton of women. Then 50 Shades of Grey got published w/ far more support. It's fan-fiction. It's monstrous, horrifying.

The full-on rabbinic Judaism didn't get written down until a few centuries after the Christian epistles. Christians write about a virgin Mary betrothed to a faithful Joseph, a visitation by the Holy Spirit- Joseph getting a visit from an angel, cousin Elizabeth's baby leaping in recognition, and a priest at a temple recognizing the baby as the Messiah. That's a lot of people agreeing that Jesus is from God.

Now, a few centuries later, some guy looks at a virtuous wife and mother and sees a prostitute. How? Because everyone looks like a hooker to him? Like, you know, every girl in Hollywood looks like a cheap hooker to Harvey Weinstein? He skips all the people around the baby, almost like he's a schizophrenic weirdo who cannot comprehend that other people have experiences, minds and opinions of their own, like, you know, the sky-high rate of schizophrenia in Jewish people today. And then he cannot even call Jesus by his name, like the secret king who can't even say the quarterback's name in school. "that man'? Who does that?

It's not even funny, when you dress it up in modern clothes, because it is so exact a copy. Christians vary, Christians mutate, Christians grow. These guys seem to have a Newton's cradle of characteristics, genetics, habits.

When I try to think about it, I substitute Scientology. It's only four generations along. No one takes it seriously outside of the cult. We can all point out Scientology's downsides, oddities, peculiarities. I just use the word Scientology to remove the emotional triggers.

I grew up in a fundy- Israel-worshipping church, also. I loved my church, so I don't want to throw out all of my childhood. I just want some adult clarity. Also, that these awful people lied to people I love and respect makes them even more monstrous.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 19, 2018 12:33 PM  

How to function? Minimize it. Trivialize it.
Like, Twilight got written. It was a near religious experience for a ton of women. Then 50 Shades of Grey got published w/ far more support. It's fan-fiction. It's monstrous, horrifying.

The full-on rabbinic Judaism didn't get written down until a few centuries after the Christian epistles. Christians write about a virgin Mary betrothed to a faithful Joseph, a visitation by the Holy Spirit- Joseph getting a visit from an angel, cousin Elizabeth's baby leaping in recognition, and a priest at a temple recognizing the baby as the Messiah. That's a lot of people agreeing that Jesus is from God.

Now, a few centuries later, some guy looks at a virtuous wife and mother and sees a prostitute. How? Because everyone looks like a hooker to him? Like, you know, every girl in Hollywood looks like a cheap hooker to Harvey Weinstein? He skips all the people around the baby, almost like he's a schizophrenic weirdo who cannot comprehend that other people have experiences, minds and opinions of their own, like, you know, the sky-high rate of schizophrenia in Jewish people today. And then he cannot even call Jesus by his name, like the secret king who can't even say the quarterback's name in school. "that man'? Who does that?

It's not even funny, when you dress it up in modern clothes, because it is so exact a copy. Christians vary, Christians mutate, Christians grow. These guys seem to have a Newton's cradle of characteristics, genetics, habits.

When I try to think about it, I substitute Scientology. It's only four generations along. No one takes it seriously outside of the cult. We can all point out Scientology's downsides, oddities, peculiarities. I just use the word Scientology to remove the emotional triggers.

I grew up in a fundy- Israel-worshipping church, also. I loved my church, so I don't want to throw out all of my childhood. I just want some adult clarity. Also, that these awful people lied to people I love and respect makes them even more monstrous.

Blogger JaimeInTexas April 19, 2018 12:34 PM  

Of course Satan is inferior to God, he is a created being. All beings not God are inferior to God who created them.

@85
I use https://www.biblegateway.com/
you can do searches, open as many browser forms/tabs as you need, and can compare versions.

Comparing versions is especially important for us that cannot read in the original.

Biblegateway.com also include an inter-linear New Testament.

Blogger Matamoros April 19, 2018 12:38 PM  

God had promised a new covenant including the Gentiles all through the Old Testament, as well as the judgments to come upon Israel (see Song of Moses, for ex.). Throughout Israel’s history God culled the true israelites/jews from the rest, through many judgments and dispersions, saving a remnant each time.

When Christ came he again promised judgment upon the Jews who rejected and crucified him. After Christ’s resurrection and ascension God fulfilled all of the promises (blessings and cursings) to Israel at the divine judgment of Jerusalem at 70 A.D. which destroyed the old covenant for ever and firmly established the new covenant, allowing the Church to grow without constant jewish persecutions, such as recounted by St. Paul. Thus, the Church, founded by Christ upon true Israel, was blessed, as the new covenant including the gentiles.

Old Israel was destroyed, along with the priesthood, temple, genealogies, etc. - everything that made old covenant worship - gone forever. However, the unbelieving and discarded Jews founded a new religion, rabbinal judaism. At the council of Jamnia in A.D. 70 under the leadership of Rabbi Yohannan Ben Zakkai they founded a new judaism based upon the synagogue and Pharisees (Rabbis), instead of the Temple and divine ordinances.

Berlin and Overman say, “Many have argued that the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70 C. E. constitutes the seminal event in the formation of both early Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism. .... Out of the dust of 70 C. E. Christianity and Judaism as we know them today emerged.” Notice the last statements: “the seminal event in the formation of Rabbinic Judaism.... Judaism as we know them today.”

That is why St. Paul, and St. John characterized these cast off unbelievers as the “synagogue of satan” and false jews - because true Israel became the Church. This is why, for example, the Church has traditionally stated that it is true Israel. Thus, Vox is exactly correct. Rabbinic Judaism is the literal antithesis of Christianity.

For a good introduction to the real history of the time, and fulfillment of Matt. 24 and Apocalypse/Revelation see Brian Godawa’s “End Times Bible Prophecy: It's Not What They Told You.

Blogger Robert What? April 19, 2018 1:51 PM  

To me there is something satanic about Jews writing God as G-d. As if they are negating Him. You are not supposed to take His name in vain, but God is not His "name".

Blogger Paul Sacramento April 19, 2018 3:37 PM  

Jews and other know that God is not His Name, they write it G-d out of "respect" for the old ways in which, instead of saying the name of God (YHWH) they substituted either Elohim or Adonai.
They do that know as an overly pretensions way or pretending to respect the "old way'.

God's name is written YHWH in the OT and in the NT, it is written as "JAH", as in hallelujah.
Some use the old ( and incorrect) Jehovah, which is fine or the more possible Yahweh or Jahveh ( if they use the soft J).


Blogger Jew613 April 19, 2018 3:38 PM  

Robert, its out of respect.

Blogger Aeoli April 19, 2018 3:42 PM  

This was very helpful, thanks.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 19, 2018 3:47 PM  

Jew613 wrote:Robert, its out of respect.

Unfortunately, it's respect in the form of particularly stupid legalism. My understanding is that we are not to take our Lord's name in vain. Therefore, to ensure they don't do that, they never write the name out in full.

God doesn't care about dropping vowels. If you are mocking Him, putting a dash in place of an o isn't going to mollify Him.

If you have rejected the promised Messiah, do you really think that misspelling His name is going to make up for it?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 19, 2018 4:36 PM  

And then he cannot even call Jesus by his name, like the secret king who can't even say the quarterback's name in school. "that man'? Who does that?
That particular tic has always amused me, actually. You know who else the refuse to speak the name of?

OpenID simplytimothy April 19, 2018 5:25 PM  

https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-reading-plan/prof-horners-reading-system.html

I found it very good for seeing the forest for the trees from within the Bible itself.

Blogger MickDundee April 19, 2018 5:49 PM  

I have interacted on Twitter with Jews who have explicitly told me Christ is “the son of a whore” and a “crazy sorcerer.”

On my normie Twitter account under my real name, I once said something mildly critical of Israel. My account was targeted in a campaign and suspended thanks to a creature named Dr. Arie Friedman MD, a so-called “gun rights conservative.”

Friedman once commented on Easter Day something along the lines of “who cares if the Jews murdered Jesus? He was only dead 3 days. I’ve had worse hangovers.”

Did I mention this vermin was often retweeted by hundreds of so-called Christian conservatives?

I was also targeted by a Zionist name “The Mad Jewess” who attempted to contact my “employer” by phone in an effort to get me fired. (She didn’t know I was self-employed and thus she was harassing one of my clients.)

It takes all of my faith in my savior to not think murderous thoughts about these filthy Jew rats.

Blogger VD April 19, 2018 5:58 PM  

Robert, its out of respect.

No, it's really not. That's the excuse, but it's not the reason.

I was also targeted by a Zionist name “The Mad Jewess”

Yeah, she targeted me once too. It didn't go well for her.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 19, 2018 6:51 PM  

Is "the Mad Jewess" Louise Mensch?

Blogger VD April 19, 2018 8:51 PM  

I have interacted on Twitter with Jews who have explicitly told me Christ is “the son of a whore” and a “crazy sorcerer.”

But they only do that out of respect, you see.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 20, 2018 12:24 PM  

Arie Friedman has had conversations w/ other Jewish Americans where they discuss World War 1, World War 2 as 'first the fathers, then the sons' and Dresden- saying " We're doing it Exodus-style!" and they sort of high-five each other across Twitter. Then they talk about the next American War.

It was literally one of the most disorienting Twitter conversations I'd come across. All of them usually sounded like normal Americans, but when they talked to each other, they sounded alien to Westerners.

I mean, honestly, who threatens a mother's children and expects no consequences? Men? Men go to war over all sorts of things, or they negotiate peace, as men. When you involve innocent children? As a women, I assure you, I'd find a way to keep it between grownups, and keep the children safe.

There's this awful anecdote in a Holocaust history about a German woman killing a few young Jewish boys. When I first read it, it sounded inexplicably evil. After having heard these men joke about killing American, European and Muslim children? She makes perfect sense.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 20, 2018 12:24 PM  

Arie Friedman has had conversations w/ other Jewish Americans where they discuss World War 1, World War 2 as 'first the fathers, then the sons' and Dresden- saying " We're doing it Exodus-style!" and they sort of high-five each other across Twitter. Then they talk about the next American War.

It was literally one of the most disorienting Twitter conversations I'd come across. All of them usually sounded like normal Americans, but when they talked to each other, they sounded alien to Westerners.

I mean, honestly, who threatens a mother's children and expects no consequences? Men? Men go to war over all sorts of things, or they negotiate peace, as men. When you involve innocent children? As a women, I assure you, I'd find a way to keep it between grownups, and keep the children safe.

There's this awful anecdote in a Holocaust history about a German woman killing a few young Jewish boys. When I first read it, it sounded inexplicably evil. After having heard these men joke about killing American, European and Muslim children? She makes perfect sense.

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