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Tuesday, April 24, 2018

The dysgenic city

Freeman Dyson explains why cities, and indirectly, interracial relationships, are inherently dysgenic:
If a small population is inbreeding, the rate of drift of the average measure of any human capability scales with the inverse square root of the population. Big fluctuations of the average happen in isolated villages far more often than in cities. On the average, people in villages are not more capable than people in cities. But if ten million people are divided into a thousand genetically isolated villages, there is a good chance that one lucky village will have a population with outstandingly high average capability, and there is a good chance that an inbreeding population with high average capability produces an occasional bunch of geniuses in a short time. The effect of genetic isolation is even stronger if the population of the village is divided by barriers of rank or caste or religion. Social snobbery can be as effective as geography in keeping people from spreading their genes widely.

A substantial fraction of the population of Europe and the Middle East in the time between 1000 BC and 1800 AD lived in genetically isolated villages, so that genetic drift may have been the most important factor making intellectual revolutions possible. Places where intellectual revolutions happened include, among many others, Jerusalem around 800 BC (the invention of monotheistic religion), Athens around 500 BC (the invention of drama and philosophy and the beginnings of science), Venice around 1300 AD (the invention of modern commerce), Florence around 1600 (the invention of modern science), and Manchester around 1750 (the invention of modern industry).

These places were all villages, with populations of a few tens of thousands, divided into tribes and social classes with even smaller populations. In each case, a small starburst of geniuses emerged from a small inbred population within a few centuries, and changed our ways of thinking irreversibly. These eruptions have many historical causes. Cultural and political accidents may provide unusual opportunities for young geniuses to exploit. But the appearance of a starburst must be to some extent a consequence of genetic drift. The examples that I mentioned all belong to Western cultures. No doubt similar starbursts of genius occurred in other cultures, but I am ignorant of the details of their history.

West’s neglect of villages as agents of change raises an important question. How likely is it that significant numbers of humans will choose to remain in genetically isolated communities in centuries to come?
You know the current situation is becoming entirely unsustainable when both the traditional religious perspective and the secular scientific perspective are increasingly in alignment concerning the pressing need to eliminate big cities.

Ironically, despite the 20th century being known for eugenicism, it may prove to be the biggest experiment in dysgenics that Man will ever know. The Alt-Right is not only scientodific, it is apparently necessary for future human achievement, if not survival.

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114 Comments:

Blogger CarpeOro April 24, 2018 8:08 AM  

Remember the brilliant h1b visa holders coming over to do jobs they can't find Americans willing to do (for so little)? They tend to bring over their village idiot relatives also.

Blogger Dirk Manly April 24, 2018 8:21 AM  

I seriously want to shoot up an Indian H1B importation shop....

Blogger The Observer April 24, 2018 8:25 AM  

I'm hopeful that in the future, technology will make cities largely unnecessary, notably advances in transportation and logistics, communications, and off-grid technologies. Those should help whittle down any advantages the close proximity of cities bring, and make them more and more unappealing to any sane government.

Then the only real reasons for urbanisation are to create neat hiding spots for r-selected degenerates to hide out in, and rubbing shoulders with the nobs.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 24, 2018 8:25 AM  

Scale, technology, discipline. Something is always going to give.

Blogger Aeoli April 24, 2018 8:26 AM  

Attractive people go to the cities to compete for each other's attention, that's why cosmopolitanism is sexy. It's why the problem is insoluble under the modern religion: to fix the problem would require people with superior genetics to make uncompensated sacrifices for the good of their people. Why on earth would they? (Answer: nothing on earth, but treasure in heaven.)

I live in a rural area and everyone is fat. Nice walking trails though.

Blogger Nate April 24, 2018 8:26 AM  

years ago... an innovative farmer was interviewed by a reporter. It went something like this:

Reporter: You're methods are fascinating... but could strategies like yours be employed to feed New York City?

Farmer: Why exactly do we need a New York City?

Cities are exceptionally dumb.

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams April 24, 2018 8:30 AM  

@2 there was a guy in Kansas City who shot two dot Indians, but the rest all stayed. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/adam-purinton-faces-hate-crime-charges-in-fatal-shooting-of-indian-engineer/

Blogger Durandel April 24, 2018 8:31 AM  

Makes a man wish for a great coronal ejection to hit earth...once he’s established in the countryside.

Blogger Aeoli April 24, 2018 8:33 AM  

Let's imagine that, statistically, an HB10 is one in 1,000 and male 10s are one in 5,000. Then whenever an HB10 pops up in a town of 1,000, she's faced with the options of marrying down or going to the city and trying her luck. 99% of the time, she will take her chances in the city and, assuming 4 in 5 of these HB10s don't become single mothers, their genetic quality during these prime childbearing years will go to waste.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 24, 2018 8:34 AM  

@7 "there was a guy in Kansas City who shot two dot Indians, but the rest all stayed."

Some would say St. Breivik had better target selection.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 24, 2018 8:35 AM  

I believe it was Madison Grant who wrote that cities consume men not create them. Maybe, but as was written above the obesity curse is strong in the rural hinterlands suggesting that rural idiocy is a thing.

Which suggests to me that somewhere in between is more productive ground.

Blogger Aeoli April 24, 2018 8:35 AM  

(The ratios of 10s by gender are different because the female curve is a normal distribution and the male curve is more like a Pareto distribution.

Blogger Aeoli April 24, 2018 8:39 AM  

Which suggests to me that somewhere in between is more productive ground.

You aren't seeing this correctly. Good genes flow into cities, and then half of them are wasted. Bad genes stay in or go to the hinterlands, and breed consistently. You won't find your Lake Woebegone in between, it's dysgenic all across the spectrum.

Blogger SidVic April 24, 2018 8:42 AM  

In modernity the geniuses are gathered in select locals, MIT, Cal-tech etc... I see no reason why this should not work. That said I would like to see increases in average IQ. Mandatory implantable birth control for anyone on public assistance would do the trick. Humane too, cause it reversible.

Blogger dienw April 24, 2018 8:46 AM  

Jerusalem around 800 BC (the invention of monotheistic religion)

He's wrong about this; so, the rest of his thesis has to betaken with a large grain of salt.

Besides, all those critics of Christianity kept declared Moses got monotheism from the Egyptians, or was it the Sumerians, or was it...anyway it was from somewhere else so ancient Hebraism was a copycat religion; therefore, Christianity is not true; so we can all look back to ancient Sumeria and believe Enki and Enlil are the true gods.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 24, 2018 8:46 AM  

How are you going to keep 'em down on the farm? The Diversity is concentrated in the cities, so as the Diversity becomes more Vibrant, the farm is going to look better and better. Especially if the farm is just a short drive from small-town Whitopia, and a very long drive from all that vibrant diversity.

Blogger VD April 24, 2018 8:47 AM  

You aren't seeing this correctly. Good genes flow into cities, and then half of them are wasted. Bad genes stay in or go to the hinterlands, and breed consistently. You won't find your Lake Woebegone in between, it's dysgenic all across the spectrum.

You've forgotten that the very top breeding genes leave the city and move back out to the hinterlands. See: Country estates, summer homes, and Napa Valley vineyard buyers.

Blogger VD April 24, 2018 8:48 AM  

I would like to see increases in average IQ.

You will. In China.

Blogger The Observer April 24, 2018 8:49 AM  

In modernity the geniuses are gathered in select locals, MIT, Cal-tech etc... I see no reason why this should not work.

This doesn't work because they waste their youth having fun and not breeding.

There's a reason why cities are called IQ grinders.

Blogger CoolHand April 24, 2018 8:54 AM  

@13 Speak for yourself blackpill.

All of the dozen or so excellent women in my HS class stayed around this little dinky town in BFE and had 2-5 healthy white kids a piece.

This place is rural as can be (largest town in the county, where we went to HS has a population of ~1,500), and they all stayed here to marry and raise their broods.

They didn't all marry someone from our class, but they did all marry someone from around the area, no imports allowed.

This is not some anomaly, but rather the norm of behavior in these parts, as observed over mine and my parents lifetimes.

I cannot say about today's HS kids, but the trend held through my little sister's class, which was several years behind mine, so I would not be surprised if it still holds.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 24, 2018 9:13 AM  

Chinese bride price.

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35727057

Blogger SidVic April 24, 2018 9:17 AM  

I think that the west is doing an excellent job matching up the high quality gene pool, far superior to other times. We sequester the smartest, healthiest at university to find their mates. Small inbred populations, as a strategy, is laughable. China average IQ will go nowhere fast. Unless they unleash a truly industrial-sized breeding/genetic/in vitro program..
No the real underlying problem is that the dumb are out breeding us fast- fair enuf but... Inexplicable we are subsidizing them as they do it...

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 24, 2018 9:19 AM  

Putting the last two posts together, the only viable living arrangement appears to be small communities, on a scale where social pressure can maintain cultural homogeneity. Clearly this isn't guaranteed rural areas, but it is impossible in large urban ones, except at cloud person level.

It's worth noting that a lot of rural areas are scattered houses along secondary roads, rather than communities in the town sense.

Blogger VD April 24, 2018 9:20 AM  

I think that the west is doing an excellent job matching up the high quality gene pool, far superior to other times. We sequester the smartest, healthiest at university to find their mates.

You're wrong. First, too many people now go to university, and second, the more higher education a woman has, the less likely she is to have any children.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 24, 2018 9:20 AM  

In rural areas. Posting too quickly.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 24, 2018 9:21 AM  

Once close to half your population is post-secondary bound, universities as a class are no longer "incubators" for much beyond ideological dissemination.

Blogger Aeoli April 24, 2018 9:23 AM  

It occurs to me that if I were actually smart, I'd be saying the opposite of what I think and you idiots would take it as gospel truth because I'm the one who said it.

Mutual contempt is no way to go through life, so I think it's time I parted ways with the Ilk. I'm sure I'll meet some of you in heaven where cognitive differences won't separate us, so for now God bless and good luck fighting the culture war. (The rest of you are none of my business.)

May the name of the Lord be glorified forever. Deus vult.

Blogger Mocheirge April 24, 2018 9:28 AM  

@dienw
I think he's referring to the construction of the first Temple and codification of a stationary society revolving around it.
Similarly, he attributes drama and science to Athens. They existed long before then, but in Athens they developed into social structures (skholai).

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 24, 2018 9:28 AM  

Discipline with scarcity and abundance. Both require violence to the outsider that would seek to take liberties with the town folk. Sojourners welcomed under strict conditions.

Blogger pyrrhus April 24, 2018 9:29 AM  

Given that .9999% of mutations are bad, drift is not very important in small communities. (Greg Cochran) But if there is little gene flow between them, those blessed with some very able people to begin with will, through natural selection, become more able...At least in the absence of a welfare state. The Brahmin caste in India is a good example on a large scale.

Blogger Nate April 24, 2018 9:32 AM  

"I think that the west is doing an excellent job matching up the high quality gene pool, far superior to other times. We sequester the smartest, healthiest at university to find their mates. "

sounds good in theory... in practice however... its not the case. For example... we do not sequester the smartest or the healthiest. College is about the ability to jump through hoops... not intelligence.

increasinly college has become a gathering place for freaks.

Blogger Johnny April 24, 2018 9:35 AM  

SidVic April 24, 2018 9:17 AM
I think that the west is doing an excellent job matching up the high quality gene pool, far superior to other times. We sequester the smartest, healthiest at university to find their mates.

Some time ago I was among a bunch of academics, and what was most noticeable was the absence of reproduction. Almost no children.

Blogger pyrrhus April 24, 2018 9:40 AM  

India has done an almost perfect job of preventing gene flow between castes and even the thousands of jatis within the castes...So they have two intelligent castes, who make up the people we see in the West, and the rest of India, average IQ about 80.....With the increase in assortive mating in the last century, this may be where we are heading, whether Dyson is aware of it or not.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 24, 2018 9:44 AM  

"With the increase in assortive mating in the last century, this may be where we are heading, whether Dyson is aware of it or not."

Can we keep plumbing though?

Blogger Cloudswrest April 24, 2018 9:57 AM  

Regarding cities, look up the phrase "IQ shredder".

Blogger pyrrhus April 24, 2018 10:03 AM  

Can we keep plumbing though?

For the top castes, most definitely...But the rest of India is known to use the fields and streets....

Blogger Weouro April 24, 2018 10:05 AM  

GK Chesterton, in his St. Francis biography, made a similar point regarding city states and the number of great saints that came out of them.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 24, 2018 10:16 AM  

"Venice around 1300 AD (the invention of modern commerce)"

what is meant by this?

Banking was extant before Abram left Sumeria, something like 2000 BC.

international trade ( the Silk Road to China, contact with India ) was common place by the time of Classical Greece ( circa 400 BC ), at the latest.

widespread trade and Law within a nation was one of the great advances and benefits of both classical Rome ( 200 BC ) and ancient China ( earlier yet ).


27. Aeoli April 24, 2018 9:23 AM
It occurs to me that if I were actually smart, I'd be saying the opposite of what I think and you idiots would take it as gospel truth because I'm the one who said it.


it's not all about you, Sugartits.

Blogger James Dixon April 24, 2018 10:17 AM  

> Mutual contempt is no way to go through life, so I think it's time I parted ways with the Ilk.

Godspeed. Even when we disagree your posts are thought provoking.

Blogger Brick Hardslab April 24, 2018 10:21 AM  

Just allow IQ tests again for employment. College would be unnecessary for most employers as a screening device. Cut back on college except for the talented tenth of any population. Let women get Mrs degrees only.

After that sequestering cities to prevent the spread of crazy would be a good step. Cities cause moral decay and degeneracy.

I'm not saying my way is the only way but what we have doesn't work.

Blogger Goldeneye April 24, 2018 10:22 AM  

I guess that means I better move out of the city.

Blogger S. Misanthrope April 24, 2018 10:29 AM  

Sig. Other and I were discussing the other day if cities can possibly “work.” Our conclusion was only if they maintained a village-like structure combined with class divisions, i.e., small neighborhood where the same families stay for generations, such that they are invested in the quality of life and police the entry of new people to the community. There are such pockets within cities, but they are rapidly dying out. And even with this, cities might be unsustainable in the long run.

Blogger tuberman April 24, 2018 10:38 AM  

I've clearly got to give his some thought, as in:

My Stefan or Peterson take....

1)How important is IQ? Very important, but not enough by itself.
2)How important is a certain type of maturity, as in spiritual maturity?

"Health is the ability to respond to meaning with meaning." Instead SJWs respond to meaning with lies or the Narrative, even the "smart ones."

Low-trust societies lack openness, but openness seems critical to fecund creativity. Societies do not need creativity to thrive, short-term. They can still be good engineers and mathematicians.

People involved in cognitive dissonance cannot tolerate hypotheses, suspension of judgement, openness, or provisionality, as it takes a strong ego (in the positive sense) to go there.

The majority of people today are under a "Storm of Meaning" (pun intended), so they come up with primitive, regressive responses, as they cannot wait for meaning to crystallize. The worst of these are SJWs, who cling to the Narrative, where ever it takes them, to give them their small hold to a branch on a cliff face.

The branch is tearing from the cliff, and that's a good thing.

IQ = part of the equation, so what goes further? Do we really need to go back to the primitive? Not talking about fighting here, as fight, fight, fight is necessary. I am talking about provincial isolation.

The problem with the schools and cities is their mindset is now primitive (the Narrative has created provincial isolation in large populations, mentally), and they use their meaning grubbing little minds to grasp the cliff branch of the Narrative. These people are frightened, sacred to death of real meaning, and anything close to the Truth.

Their songs and their entertainment all wear a beard. Hides the weak chin of their magical thinking.

Blogger Johnny April 24, 2018 10:39 AM  

"Venice around 1300 AD (the invention of modern commerce)"

Money didn't get into common use until very late. The Romans used money a lot, probably because they paid the troopers with coinage. That put a lot of money back into the economy.

The first people to have a setup that resembled modern banking were the Medici in Florence Italy. Otherwise money lenders have been with us from the start. And the trading centers did produce a lot of money lenders.

Banking is what Europe developed and China didn't.

Blogger Strings6459 April 24, 2018 10:40 AM  

It seems also that some of the advancement occurs in societies where women have larger role in their choice of mate.

OpenID Rusty April 24, 2018 10:43 AM  

Babel will always need to be riven. It is an affront to God.

Blogger TheMaleRei April 24, 2018 10:43 AM  

Someone posted or said that with China doing serious work as far as real genetic testing vis-a-vis IQ, if that pans out, then yes, we will see their average shots through the roof.

Might have been Stefan Molyneux, or someone else. With no one here in the West doing it, because "racist", the Chinese will because they have ZFG on that epithet.

Blogger Marcus Marcellus April 24, 2018 10:44 AM  

Yes, but the trend by the central planners is to coral more and more people into 5G "sustainable" cities, which are open air prisons like This Perfect Day or THX1130. They are putting 5G towers disguised as cactus in NV and AZ. They mean to make it nearly impossible to develop any communities outside their matrix.

Blogger Josh (the sexiest thing here) April 24, 2018 10:50 AM  


"Venice around 1300 AD (the invention of modern commerce)"

what is meant by this?


Double entry bookkeeping

Blogger NO GOOGLES April 24, 2018 10:52 AM  

Color me skeptical. The same conditions were present in the Arab world as well (small isolated populations that inbred) and all it accomplished was shaving ~20 IQ points off the average.

Alternative Hypothesis has a good video on Europe's anti-violence revolution - basically over hundreds of years laws that enforced the death penalty for most violent crimes had a genetic effect of weeding out the most violent ~1-2% of each generation, allowing Europeans to become more cooperative and less violent just in time for the industrial revolution. Not sure how critical it was but it is an interesting concept.

Blogger Bogey April 24, 2018 10:52 AM  

You've forgotten that the very top breeding genes leave the city and move back out to the hinterlands. See: Country estates, summer homes, and Napa Valley vineyard buyers.

I don't think we were meant to live so close together on concrete shelves.

Blogger NO GOOGLES April 24, 2018 10:56 AM  

@45 What?
Why no developed African societies then? The norm in sub saharan Africa is for women to farm and provide their own food, men farm cash crops and thus, men are bachelors and women bed down with whoever they choose (in the short term). Infidelity is punished (to the extent that it IS punished) by the males killing the suitor.

That arrangement was literally gives women more choice in mates than almost any other than the modern "hookup" culture and yet it never produced a society that was on par with classical city states.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 24, 2018 11:07 AM  

44. Johnny April 24, 2018 10:39 AM
The first people to have a setup that resembled modern banking were the Medici in Florence Italy.



the Templars had international lines of credit and conveyance of redeemable promissory notes back in the 1200s.

Blogger Clint April 24, 2018 11:08 AM  

Nate wrote:"I think that the west is doing an excellent job matching up the high quality gene pool, far superior to other times. We sequester the smartest, healthiest at university to find their mates. "

increasinly college has become a gathering place for freaks.



Anyone who has not been on a college campus during the last decade has no idea how freakish and non-intellectual these people are. The front areas around buildings are clogged with bands of vibrants. They are not usually doing anything but standing there talking, blocking access to doors, due to their inability to recognize that they are doing so.
Computer labs are full of young men watching youtube. Women are sitting around being chatty. The thing missing? Any semblance of an education.
Students have enough metal in their faces that we could melt it down and supply plenty of ammo for a small war.
People of Walmart have nothing on the attire that "covers" the female students.

Blogger Nick April 24, 2018 11:12 AM  

Vox,is it possible for a person who, like myself, came to understand the principles often discussed here only after meeting the Hispanic I'm with now to still adhere to them. I guess what I'm asking is do you think there are some exceptions to miscegenation?

Blogger pyrrhus April 24, 2018 11:16 AM  

"Computer labs are full of young men watching youtube. Women are sitting around being chatty. The thing missing? Any semblance of an education."

Indeed. Though when I visited Purdue a while back, the computer labs were full of serious looking Asians.....

OpenID nhinsnow April 24, 2018 11:22 AM  

Venice, as only one example from that list, had substantial immigration in the dates mentioned.

Blogger RobertT April 24, 2018 11:27 AM  

Now I understand why all my staff were raised elsewhere, and why most of my clients are in the Silicon Valley.

Blogger Crew April 24, 2018 11:30 AM  

Far be it for me to dispute Freeman Dyson, but I think he is not explaining things correctly:

Big fluctuations of the average happen in isolated villages far more often than in cities. On the average, people in villages are not more capable than people in cities. But if ten million people are divided into a thousand genetically isolated villages, there is a good chance that one lucky village will have a population with outstandingly high average capability, and there is a good chance that an inbreeding population with high average capability produces an occasional bunch of geniuses in a short time.

What I think he is referring to is that a 'mutation'* has a higher chance of going to fixation in a smaller breeding population than it has in a larger breeding population when selection is not involved (drift). If there is strong selection, those that do not help the population in its current environment will be removed quite quickly.

Now, here's the thing. Cities have historically been population sinks but they also apply strong selection pressure.

However, if a new 'mutation' gives a sub-population a strong advantage it can then be picked up by the rest of the population by gene flow if there is even a small amount (introgression). This gives the lie to the bogus claims by some people that even though African Americans have smaller brains (the difference is 6-8% but what matters is where that difference is, if it is all in the neo-cortex it would be huge) they have more efficient brains. Why? Because there has been enough gene flow from the African American population in the US to the white population that the white population would have picked up that advantage as well. In addition, we actually see that those Af-Ams with more white admixture perform better on IQ tests etc.

* Most people think of a mutation being some alpha or beta particle zapping your gonads and changing the sequence of amino acids in your DNA such that it changes the function of the genes you pass on. That is actually a tiny proportion of mutations and is likely to be all deleterious. The more common one, occurring around 1 in 10,000 copies of your DNA is a copy error that the machinery does not fix. That could switch off a gene, switch on a gene, or change the protein it produces, but sometimes there are also gene duplications and so on.

Blogger DraveckysHumerus April 24, 2018 11:34 AM  

54.Clint
It depends on the institution apparently. I'm a patent lawyer holding a graduate degree in computer science. U.Chicago and Northwestern invite me to guest lecture on topics relating to entrepreneurship, engineering and IP law fairly often. Campus tours typically accompany. I have yet to witness the freakshow described. Although I did visit U.Illinois/C-U last autumn and perhaps the UG student body exhibited some of your elements.

Blogger VD April 24, 2018 11:35 AM  

Vox,is it possible for a person who, like myself, came to understand the principles often discussed here only after meeting the Hispanic I'm with now to still adhere to them. I guess what I'm asking is do you think there are some exceptions to miscegenation?

No. Also, I'm not interested in WHAT ABOUT MEEEEE?

Look, you can defy gravity all you want, but what is going to happen is going to happen. The laws of human behavior are based on probability, not certainty, but don't be surprised when you roll the dice and lose.

What you're doing is normal enough, exchanging your racial advantage for a more attractive woman. And the price you will pay for the privilege will probably be normal too. Not being married to a Hispanic, I don't know what it will be, but I would suggest talking to men who have been married to Hispanics to learn what you are probably in for.

Blogger Cash April 24, 2018 11:45 AM  

@60

Blacks tend to gather outside of the place they are going into for about 10 minutes. Not sure why.

It was rare to ever see a black person going into the cafeteria alone and eating a quick meal.

Blogger Nick April 24, 2018 11:47 AM  

I was just asking what you thought about the matter is all. Ultimately, I will make that choice and I'm not looking for you to justify or excuse it in any way. I was just seeking out the advice and thoughts of a respectable thinker in today's poltical environment.

I've spoken to many others on the dissident right about it: Laura Wood,some at the Orthosphere, Gerry T. Neal at Throne, Altar, Liberty, etc. With this post, I saw an opportunity to ask you. Really, that was the extent of it. I don't need you to make an exception for me.

But thanks for your reply.

OpenID Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass April 24, 2018 12:02 PM  

The Observer wrote:I'm hopeful that in the future, technology will make cities largely unnecessary, notably advances in transportation and logistics, communications, and off-grid technologies. Those should help whittle down any advantages the close proximity of cities bring, and make them more and more unappealing to any sane government.

Then the only real reasons for urbanisation are to create neat hiding spots for r-selected degenerates to hide out in, and rubbing shoulders with the nobs.


@3 I'm hopeful too. These predictions of universal basic income, robots taking all of our jobs are all overblown. See here and here. I personally think a shift from big cities is just beyond the horizon, especially if there's another global pandemic like the Spanish flu or another world war. Those that argue everything will be automated approach from a purely economic, liberal Western view, ignoring most people will not give up their work, or in the case of the 3rd world lack the mental acumen to automate.

Durandel wrote:Makes a man wish for a great coronal ejection to hit earth...once he’s established in the countryside.

@8 Another reason people don't understand why automation won't be the end all be all: how many electronic components can withstand a CME or a heavy EMP? Lest people forget, we nearly got to discover what One Second After would be like in real life back in 2012 when a CME barely missed Earth. What about hackers?

Nate wrote:"I think that the west is doing an excellent job matching up the high quality gene pool, far superior to other times. We sequester the smartest, healthiest at university to find their mates. "

sounds good in theory... in practice however... its not the case. For example... we do not sequester the smartest or the healthiest. College is about the ability to jump through hoops... not intelligence.

increasinly college has become a gathering place for freaks.



@31 Bingo

OpenID Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass April 24, 2018 12:03 PM  

Brick Hardslab wrote:Just allow IQ tests again for employment. College would be unnecessary for most employers as a screening device. Cut back on college except for the talented tenth of any population. Let women get Mrs degrees only.

After that sequestering cities to prevent the spread of crazy would be a good step. Cities cause moral decay and degeneracy.

I'm not saying my way is the only way but what we have doesn't work.


@40 Better yet, why just not make it more difficult for women to stay in the worforce past 35, widows excepted?

Rusty wrote:Babel will always need to be riven. It is an affront to God.

@46 My fiancée brought up a good point this weekend (or was it two weekends back?): these people pushing for open borders, one world government, etc. are disrupting God's plan. If necessary, He'll disrupt Babel 2.0.

Marcus Marcellus wrote:Yes, but the trend by the central planners is to coral more and more people into 5G "sustainable" cities, which are open air prisons like This Perfect Day or THX1130. They are putting 5G towers disguised as cactus in NV and AZ. They mean to make it nearly impossible to develop any communities outside their matrix.

@48 In AZ and CA you can find cell towers disguised as palm trees. Though I don't live in a rural area, I know as recent as the early '10s people were upset Apple stopped shipping computers with DVD drives, as many rural areas still had dial up Internet.

pyrrhus wrote:"Computer labs are full of young men watching youtube. Women are sitting around being chatty. The thing missing? Any semblance of an education."

Indeed. Though when I visited Purdue a while back, the computer labs were full of serious looking Asians.....


@56 How long ago was that? I graduated from there near the end of the last decade. It depends on where you were on campus. MSEE or Armstrong Hall had white people galore in the ITAP labs. While we're on the subject, why were engineers always so picky about their labs being used by non engineers? It's not like they did that to non engineers ALL THE TIME!

Blogger Cash April 24, 2018 12:05 PM  

@63 Asking a bunch of bloggers can't be a good sign.

Blogger Ceerilan April 24, 2018 12:09 PM  

@Strings6459

That's only one part of the equation. The other part is limiting the amount of resourses women can extract during courtship and maintaining a social contract between men and women.

Dalrock has done a lot to document what happened when that part of our docisoc started to break down. Read "more ominous than a strike" for specifics.

Blogger Jack Amok April 24, 2018 12:44 PM  

These places were all villages, with populations of a few tens of thousands...

Villages don't have tens of thousands of people living in them. That's a mid-sized city, especially in medieval times. But nomenclature aside...

Cities are dyscivic, and the bigger they are, the more dyscivic they become. They foster low-trust behavior, attract economic and social parasites, increase health hazards (disease vectors, sanitation, chronic stress and inflammation), divert youth into unproductive activities, and normalize administrative overhead being more lucrative than the productivity being administered.


Blogger OneWingedShark April 24, 2018 12:55 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:I seriously want to shoot up an Indian H1B importation shop....
That's pretty much all the big tech companies these days.

But, me... I'd rather kill their pocketbook.

Blogger Jack Amok April 24, 2018 12:55 PM  

What you're doing is normal enough, exchanging your racial advantage for a more attractive woman. And the price you will pay for the privilege will probably be normal too.

Just to make it clear what part of that price is - any sons you might have will only have half, at best, of your racial advantage.

Worst case, they have to go back, only there isn't anywhere for them to go back to, so they have to fight, and maybe die, for a place to call home.

Best case, they can stay, but will most likely marry Hispanic or Black women and your grandkids will be 3/4ths something else. Maybe their kids will fit in somewhere.

Blogger insight April 24, 2018 12:59 PM  

But I would suggest talking to men who have been married to Hispanics to learn what you are probably in for.

Vox was kind. Unfortunately that might not even work (See the multitudes of examples between white males and Filipinas for example) some people just have to learn the hard way. Nick you're screwed so enjoy it while you can. Which dovetails with the future, as soon as whites figure out what to do about the white nigger/leftist problem. Answers to miscegenation will become clear again.

Blogger OneWingedShark April 24, 2018 1:00 PM  

VD wrote:I think that the west is doing an excellent job matching up the high quality gene pool, far superior to other times. We sequester the smartest, healthiest at university to find their mates.

You're wrong. First, too many people now go to university, and second, the more higher education a woman has, the less likely she is to have any children.

Third: Affirmative Action is essentially selecting against ability.

Blogger Avalanche April 24, 2018 1:00 PM  

"a small starburst of geniuses"

So the next new good thing will come from Utah? And the next new ... less-than-optimal ... thing from Chicongo?

OpenID bgkoranburner April 24, 2018 1:07 PM  

Coalition of fringes- even adopting 6 niglets wont get you a shield against being called racist.

Driving off cliff dyke called racist by adopted niggerette


https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/04/mom-drove-6-kids-off-cliff-drunk-daughter-called-racist/


David Hogg wont be breeding
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/04/parkland-survivors-david-hogg-cameron-kasky-going-prom-together/

Blogger Avalanche April 24, 2018 1:12 PM  

@36 "For the top castes, most definitely...But the rest of India is known to use the fields and streets...."

DENVER! And SFran! Isn't that cultural appropriation? Bad bad lefties!

Blogger OneWingedShark April 24, 2018 1:13 PM  

Johnny wrote:Some time ago I was among a bunch of academics, and what was most noticeable was the absence of reproduction. Almost no children.
This is one of the things used in David Weber's Empire From the Ashes (Dahak series omnibus; freely available at the link), where the presence/lack of children is one of the things used to highlight the difference in philosophy between the two "hidden war" factions: one side happily having children and the other side essentially obsessed with 'immortality'.

Blogger bw April 24, 2018 1:15 PM  

the trend by the central planners is to coral more and more people into 5G "sustainable" cities

^^^^ This

2030 Agenda and herding into cities has long been their goal - for those who are left, since they want massive population reduction.
It's happening locally, by stealth, in the dark.

Blogger Laconic Oak April 24, 2018 1:15 PM  

This sounds like a recurring theme in Antifragile: fractal granularity absorbs bad results and frees good results to propagate.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 24, 2018 1:16 PM  

49. Josh (the sexiest thing here) April 24, 2018 10:50 AM
Double entry bookkeeping



that's Accounting, which is internal to the function of a company.

this is entirely different than Commerce, which is Trade between various entities.

if that's actually what Dyson is talking about, that's a major category error on his part.



http://www.dictionary.com/browse/accounting?s=t

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/commerce?s=t


54. Clint April 24, 2018 11:08 AM
due to their inability to recognize that they are doing so.



they know.

it's an expression of their Social Dominance, that they can obstruct public spaces in this way.

the "inability to recognize" lies with you, not with them.

Blogger Avalanche April 24, 2018 1:20 PM  

@62 "I was just asking what you thought about the matter is all."

Nick, you might search this blog for the phrase "what about me*" -- it has been discussed and answered multiple time. You might find some pay-dirt, or at least a bit of priming or your pump.

Blogger insight April 24, 2018 1:22 PM  

The trend by the central planners is to coral more and more people into 5G "sustainable" cities

The white elite don't practice diversity (at least not among their progeny) that's for the white nigger aka leftards that they control.

Blogger Nate April 24, 2018 1:22 PM  

"it's an expression of their Social Dominance, that they can obstruct public spaces in this way."

you're giving them way to much credit. They are not deliberately expressing anything. The though that other people exist doesn't cross their minds. They never think beyond what is staring them in the face. its the same reason a herd of them will stand in the middle of a hallway making jokes and laughing... right until some dude plows right through the middle of them.

you can tell its not about dominance because it if was they wouldn't scatter when the slightest challenge shows up

Blogger Avalanche April 24, 2018 1:24 PM  

@65 "Better yet, why just not make it more difficult for women to stay in the worforce past 35, widows excepted?"

You've got it backwards! Keep women OUT of the workplace till AFTER 35, and a couple of kids! Better genes and better mate finding when the SMV is still high. Once the kids are part-grown, then the woman can split her time between home and work! DON'T waste her younger years chasing employment. Don't make her waste her older, (possibly) more responsible, can more likely have an uninterrupted career AFTER kids, than around producing kids... AND less likelihood of fornication at the workplace?

Blogger insight April 24, 2018 1:25 PM  

"The white elite don't practice diversity (at least not among their progeny) that's for the white nigger aka leftards that they control."

It makes the leftard more controllable down the line after they interbreed.

Blogger LP April 24, 2018 1:25 PM  

Truthful analysis, thank you Vox.

MRC are fine if its over 5o or 60, offline I have noted such for that age group whom cannot find anyone else. Seemingly fine that is, I would not know but I merely observe.

For the 18 to 35 age range MRC dating is doom, the 1/2 black child via the public school system talks against white privilege, thin privilege and Christian privilege, people dont realize those children from those relationships are given a heavy burden, a chip on their shoulder for anti whiteness (which is dysgenicism), its a shame to bear a mixed race baby and the black or white man leaves the woman in horror. Which happens often.

I wish I were wrong -

SB is a spit fire of truth at twitter, SJWAL!

Blogger Avalanche April 24, 2018 1:31 PM  

A dear friend of mine, not entirely joking, once said about miscegenated offspring, that the Japanese-White mixes were often quite beautiful -- and he called them anime-people and suggested, as we are finally sent everyone else "home" out of the U.S. -- we cede Hawai'i as the future home of the anime-people.

Blogger LP April 24, 2018 1:32 PM  

84 Diversity is White Genocide.

Sure they vote their own destruction and pain on the local level.

It is why the Starbucks guy trolled them in the name of racism as he likes Trump; not a liberal is woke to the black left attempting to hold him down as he appeared at Laura Ingram's show.

Blogger Lamarck Leland April 24, 2018 1:37 PM  

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Blogger pdwalker April 24, 2018 1:41 PM  

Nick, ask Jen Bush and then have a look at his children.

If that doesn’t open your eyes, then your little woman must be hot, hot, hot.

Blogger insight April 24, 2018 1:42 PM  

"(See the multitudes of examples between white males and Filipinas for example)"

Courtesy of American Imperalism ie... government ie... white leftard goobermint worshippers. The chickens ALWAYS come home to roost.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) April 24, 2018 1:51 PM  

82. Nate April 24, 2018 1:22 PM
you're giving them way to much credit. They are not deliberately expressing anything.


i draw distinctions between "deliberate" and "conscious".

most Blacks are too damn stupid to be conscious of the consequences of almost any action. pointing a plastic gun at a police car, for instance.

https://infogalactic.com/info/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

but they can still vaguely comprehend tribal ownership of space and the camaraderie of groups of people who look and act like them.


"plowing through" a group of them works, to the extent that it does work, because much of what they're doing is not a Conscious decision on their part.

not any more conscious than a troop of monkeys gathered together and throwing shit, anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQpf1UQfPz4

it's of the same order as the phone booth study which found that customers spent an average of ~3 minutes longer on the pay phone
...
when they knew someone else was waiting to use the phone.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd April 24, 2018 2:19 PM  

pdwalker wrote:Nick, ask Jen Bush and then have a look at his children.

If that doesn’t open your eyes, then your little woman must be hot, hot, hot.


Low-energy Jab's troll woman is not, not, not. I don't care how wonderful the troll-woman's personality is, his kids are going to be low-energy and ugly!

If you can find a smart, good looking woman from a smarter race, you might come out ahead by marrying her. If you're White, that means you're going to have to look to the Han.

I'd advise settling a small town Whitopia, where there is no community of her people nor of any group that look like her people. She'll never be American, but you can raise your children as Americans if they know nothing else. Make sure your children are familiar with her culture, so that they can see they don't fit in there.

I don't know where an American man can find an American woman who is not a feminist. If you find a non-feminist foreigner, you are going to have to make sure that the feminist infection doesn't get her after you get her here.

I wish you well, either way.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine April 24, 2018 2:23 PM  

Oh, it's even worse than what Dyson pointed out. Cities are not only slow genetic stagnation, they're active, high-speed genetic shredders.

It works like this, the highly capable/geniuses from small villages often seek to leave for places where there are larger opportunities for social/economic gain for themselves. This leads them to population centers, especially those centers utilizing certain methods of recruitment (look at Singapore).

One they have been recruited by the population centers, they end up raising the wealth, prestige, and population densities of those centers still higher. Eventually this results in pressure on the highly capable not to reproduce for several reasons, namely too-high population density, unsuitable conditions for raising children, emphasis on quality of adult life (which is thought to be reduced by sacrificing to raise children), the perceived need to expend all of their effort in the engines of industry (geniuses get sacrificed themselves), etc.

"I want to get out of this boring small town where nothing happens, go to the exciting, big city."

>Workaholic/hedonist/difficult to reproduce/competition pressures inclining toward avoidance of reproduction.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella April 24, 2018 2:23 PM  

what are you talking about on southern baptists? or fundamentalists in general? So they can't pass a test affirming things like " pills are good for women." If you want something built, dug out of the ground, concrete poured, drains plumbed, dirt made fertile for abundant crops? Call a low-church Christian.

Hayek did not know what he did not know: agricultural innovation is an all Christian innovation. It doesn't sound smart- pick up a handful of dirt, crumble it in your hand, taste it, then modify it. Or plant turnips, dream about sheep or chickens. Everything rests on it.

Blogger Pale Male April 24, 2018 2:29 PM  

The more common one, occurring around 1 in 10,000 copies of your DNA is a copy error that the machinery does not fix. That could switch off a gene, switch on a gene, or change the protein it produces, but sometimes there are also gene duplications and so on.
The most likely is a copy-number variant.  The DNA-duplication machinery has to untangle the daughter strand from the original (DNA is a helix, remember?).  It does this by matching up two regions with matching sequences and breaking and re-uniting the chains.

Guess what's always going to match a piece of DNA?  A duplicate copy of that DNA.  So if a gene has, say, two copies of a given promoter, the DNA-untangler will sometimes leave one chain with one copy and the other one with three.  The gene with 3 promoters will have a much greater increase in activity when the activator for the promoter is present than the gene with just 1.  This is why the MAOA-A genes don't differ by enzyme sequence, but by the number of copies of the promoter.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 24, 2018 4:59 PM  

As a grandmother who's worked/volunteered with children for decades, I can tell you that mixed race children have a very difficult time with the question, "Who Am I?" It dogs them throughout their whole lives. So, considering race mixing, remember one thing, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, IT'S ABOUT YOUR FUTURE CHILDREN.
You should put that consideration above everything else.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants April 24, 2018 5:03 PM  

I don't think it's due to homosexuality, from reading David Hogg's leaked Reddit posts, it's obvious that Hogg likes girls, but because he's such a smug jerkwad incel, he is trying to get bonus LBTQWTF points from the press.

Blogger eclecticme April 24, 2018 6:21 PM  

47. TheMaleRei
The Chinese parents) are already showing interest in genetic engineering to improve their offspring. The West's moral pronouncements on the subject mean nothing to them.

The Chinese also notice a cause and effect relationship between modern tech and wealth. Westerners think electricity comes from a wall receptacle. Chinese know it some from the coal fired plant or the new dam.

What happens if the Chinese can increase the percentage of 160+ IQs by a factor of 10?

Blogger Daniel April 24, 2018 8:51 PM  

I work in Argentina. Universidad. Same. At least theee blondes blue eyes phd over 40 with no children. And two dudes. And that only in my department (not big at all)

Blogger James Dixon April 24, 2018 8:57 PM  

> ...as many rural areas still had dial up Internet.

Many rural areas still do.

> So, considering race mixing, remember one thing, IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU, IT'S ABOUT YOUR FUTURE CHILDREN.

That's always been true and likely always will. Half breeds are seldom claimed by either group. If you're rich enough it may not matter, but for normals it most certainly does.

Blogger James Dixon April 24, 2018 8:59 PM  

> ///but because he's such a smug jerkwad incel, he is trying to get bonus LBTQWTF points from the press.

As I said on Gab, give him a few years and he'll be converting to Islam and going all jihad at the NRA headquarters.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 24, 2018 10:46 PM  

Compost NYC!

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 24, 2018 11:03 PM  

Goodbye and good luck Aeoli. I've always enjoyed reading your posts, wish you well wherever life takes you. I'll save you a seat and drink in the mead hall after we both shuffle off this mortal coil.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 24, 2018 11:07 PM  

Sequestering the freaks can be beneficial too.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 24, 2018 11:10 PM  

Top suggester of the quarter.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion April 24, 2018 11:20 PM  

Dindu storage units, with optional vibrancy. (Caution: may self-combust)

OpenID markstoval April 25, 2018 4:27 AM  

@27 Aeoli

I am sorry to see you go. You added spice to the comments section.

I hope to see you here again, but if not, I will be leaving this mortal plane soon and see you on the other side some day.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 25, 2018 6:16 AM  

I'm going to start an advice blog based on this kind of thing, to take care of these frequent questions.

Blogger Y. April 25, 2018 8:40 AM  

Chinese communists have this well in hand.

They'll be starting with embryo-selection on a mass basis within twenty years. Such a process, even if done with just 5 embryos, will elevate the average IQ of each generation by about 5 points. More stringent selection or more exotic techniques, such as iterated embryo selection could provide even faster gains.


And all this would be just letting nature do it's thing and keeping the best result. Tinkering with genome is going to be attempted.

Blogger Nick April 25, 2018 6:19 PM  

I understand that point considerably.In truth,it's something I've discussed with my girlfriend a lot. While she respects that point, she's hard-pressed to see it as a reason to separate.

I'm also 33 this year.I'm afraid that, as a Catholic, I'm not left with many options since many white women have gone off the reservation so to speak. And the one's who are interested are desperate because they likely have children from at least one other man and perhaps divorced at least once.

But thank you for the reply

OpenID thelastword123 April 25, 2018 7:23 PM  

Regarding China’s IQ, it mostly has to do the culture. East Asian education or the “exam system” tends to encourage memorizing and exam-oriented training. Students tend to spend more time learning and getting accustomed to the format of tests, thus outperforming the others who may be just competent academically. It’s a scam.

Traditional IQ test is indeed an even more extreme version of examination, usually consisting of repetitive multiple choice questions focusing on recognizing certain patterns rather than bringing creativeness. I would say that IQ test is a good fit with participants from East Asia, explaining the gap in score. 

And in countries with a less organized schooling program, such as in rural areas, you may have a portion of the population that is not even being tested. Is the rural farmer in China having their IQ generally tested? No. The higher IQ scores in China are generally the product of urbanites, as this nation has 14 cities of over 5 million people (Shanghai, Beijing, Tianjin, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Dongguan, Taipei, Chengdu, Hong Kong, Nanjing, Wuhan, Shenyang, Hangzhou, and Chongqing).


Nick—No need to bend over backwards to explain or justify your choice in a potential mate. Race or ethnic mixing is perfectly natural human AND Christian function, contrary to the Alt Right. In Jesus Christ, God created the Christian race (Peter 2:9-10). In Christ, racial, ethic and social differences cease to be obstacles to deep, personal, intimate fellowship. The decisive factor in human unity was being created in the image of God. Never forget that. Anyone who tells you otherwise runs afoul of His word.

Blogger marlon April 26, 2018 1:58 PM  

"Race or ethnic mixing is perfectly natural human AND Christian function."

Honestly read Ezra, Nehemiah etc. and stop that garbage. The word adultery in the OT covers all forms of adulteration - not just marriage bonds.

Read Jesus' comments to the Syro-Phoenician woman.

Look at history where race-mixing fantasies were employed - Haiti - where after slaughtering the whites, the blacks and coloureds warred and then the blacks slaughtered the coloureds!

Why is that whites with their recessive genes believe that race-mixing is ok yet other races with their dominant genes don't? Death wish?

Blogger Dirk Manly April 26, 2018 2:02 PM  

@56

"Indeed. Though when I visited Purdue a while back, the computer labs were full of serious looking Asians....."

When I was a computer engineering student at Purdue, the labs were full of serious looking whites, 90% male. While yearbooks show substantial (20%?) numbers of Asians (mostly Chinese, some Indian), I never saw any of them in my classes. Maybe they were all grouped into certain sections, with a prof speaking their native language? (Purdue Electrical Engineering had well over 50 faculty. For a large number, English was not their native language).

Blogger Dirk Manly April 26, 2018 2:45 PM  

"What happens if the Chinese can increase the percentage of 160+ IQs by a factor of 10?"

The remainder of the Chinese population will be even more oppressed than they are today.

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