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Thursday, April 05, 2018

Why Trump is still popular

It's really not hard to figure out. No one believes anything the media says anymore.
It's not surprising that after little more than a year in office many people who voted for a president still support him. But it's also surprising that a president who has been the object of more negative reporting than any in our history still enjoys something like the same middling base of support he had before taking office. Unless it's the negative reporting that is the problem, which I suspect is very largely the case. You can only ask adults to participate in the fiction that a retweet of a wrestling GIF is a credible threat of violence against some nerd reporters at a cable station or delight in what you hope will be the failure of American trade policy before they decide to tune you out. Very largely this had already happened by Inauguration Day, but now the work of MSNBC and The New York Times and PolitiFact is complete. Millions of Americans do not know the difference between what is true and what is false and have decided that they do not much care either.

There was, I like fondly to imagine, a different course that might have been taken here. It is just possible, I suppose, that members of my profession could have exercised their reasoning faculties to decide what in the administration was good, what was bad, what was unremarkable or indistinguishable from what any modern president would do, what was painfully idiotic, what was, perhaps, evil. We chose not to exercise this responsibility. Instead we decided to indulge in our live-action roleplaying fantasies about being brave selfless journos taking on a mean demagogue because we love the Constitution so much.
The morons in the media may have the memory of goldfish, but those of us who still remember how they said Bill Clinton getting it on with an intern in the Oval Office was no big deal aren't inclined to take their solemn declarations that the God-Emperor banging the occasional Playmate or porn star more than a decade ago is an imminent threat to the Constitution.

The media killed its own credibility. Now they are Fake News and everyone knows it, even those who pretend to believe them. As Glenn Reynolds says, their chief occupation is now deciding what facts they are going to try to hide from the American people.

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64 Comments:

Blogger Anchorman April 05, 2018 5:42 AM  

It may go a little deeper. They didn't just say it was no big deal. They said we were wrong to care about it.
That has been the constant message. Whenever the American people saw things going astray, the media was there telling us that we were the problem.
That attitude created the adversarial atmosphere. It wasn't "agree to disagree." It was, "This is the normal/good and if you don't think so, you are the other/bad."
They created the lack of norm and broke the communal relationship. And they are still blaming us.
That is why all the attempts to re-establish are failing.

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 05, 2018 6:12 AM  

And they just can't help themselves.

And that is why we will win, even though it's no doubt rather painful in the interim; and the interim is painfully long.

Blogger L' Aristokrato April 05, 2018 6:13 AM  

Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJtkmvkwcjc
You deserve a chuckle.

Blogger Miguel April 05, 2018 6:17 AM  

Here in Portugal people still believe everything that the media says about Trump. When I tell them the truth, some are really surprised but most don't even care.

I think that the thought that one is being deceived, specially someone who prides himself in his suposed "inteligence", must be hard to accept.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 05, 2018 6:25 AM  

"Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJtkmvkwcjc
You deserve a chuckle."

Just imagine the Autism in putting that together. This is extremely dangerous to our democracy.

Blogger James Dixon April 05, 2018 6:26 AM  

I've known the media hated the right since Nixon. But it wasn't till the Dan Rather report on Bush using obviously faked materials that I realized how much they would lie to the public. Add in the facts that Dan Rather is still working and Bush was as much a liberal as those he was running against, and that tells you pretty much everything you need to know about them.

Blogger James Dixon April 05, 2018 6:29 AM  

> They said we were wrong to care about it.

I didn't care who Clinton was banging. I cared about his lying about it to the people and to a court under oath.

Blogger Meng Greenleaf April 05, 2018 6:30 AM  

Other than the occasional Tucker video on YouTube, I have little idea what's on MSM.

Blogger Bogey April 05, 2018 6:32 AM  

...and look at the women. A playmate, a top tier pornstar, most likely various supermodels.

Blogger SemiSpook37 April 05, 2018 6:38 AM  

Look, most of us here knew going into this that Trump was a philanderer and just an all around asshole. You don’t get to be to the level he is in the New York real estate market without screwing everything that moves, both physically and figuratively. I may not personally approve of the former quality, but the latter one is the main reason I voted for him.

Living amongst the swamp for almost 20 years, I’ve learned that these people are more than content to live day in and day out with their heads constantly up their asses, with the welfare denizens content with their gibsmedats and the establishment types gorging at the money trough. Meanwhile, the sensible ones amongst these parasites have hit their breaking point, regardless of their political leanings in some cases. We know there’s a problem; it’s just getting the ones who can actually do something about it to see it.

That’s where Trump comes in. He is more concerned about the concerns of the legitimate rank and file, average, ordinary American citizen than any other outside influencer, which includes said mooches previously mentioned. If you’re not being a PRODUCTIVE member of society, why the hell does he have to care about your wants? It’s basic logic.

Hence why I’m highly skeptical of this “blue wave” nonsense. A special election in a lame duck Congressional district where the seat flipped by a bit over 600 votes total doesn’t concern me. I suspect the majority of those voters still would put Trump over in 2020.

The problem was the usual: having to choose between a giant douche and a shit sandwich. Trump has proven time and again that he is neither of those options to folks, and that, to escape the logic of the media morons, is a good thing.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 05, 2018 7:09 AM  

Yep, and just like was stated in the OP, they were the ones that encouraged our tolerance for risqué conduct in politicians in the first place. We were supposed to tolerate Clinton. "What does it matter what goes on in his personal life?" Well, that stuck for a lot of people, and now the left is getting burned. So glad the OP pointed that out. Now we can rub their noses in it.
All the coverage of the GE's relationships does for me is just leave me in awe of the man. He's dated women who would never date me, built towers 1,000 times bigger than my house, is rich beyond belief, etc. he doesn't inspire resentment the way a Soros/Tom Steyer/J.B. Prizker does. His success draws people in, not turn them away. That he slips up and breaks his marital vows (if true) doesn't affect that, because whatever his personal situation, the stronger economy, and in general more positive atmosphere, is no doubt encouraging many other married couples to stick together.
He's the kind of leader you strive to please, because he deals with his subordinates as if they were his soldiers, rather than pawns. The way he talks to the lowliest of the workers in his organization, is better than I (or anyone else) was ever talked to when I worked at Wal-Mart, the quintessential corporate machine. No wonder his businesses are so successful. His people are personally invested in the growth of the Trump empire, at least according to the small amount of unbiased news that's out there.

Blogger tuberman April 05, 2018 7:17 AM  

When Trump threw his hat in the ring, I spent two weeks checking back to 1988 all the material on what he'd been saying, and did not care at all about his "Reality TV show (in fact it was a minus to me, as I despised such TV). Turns out he was saying all the Right things from way back and was consistent. So, on the Trump Train I focused, with the understanding that Trump is a Civic Nationalist and could/would not go far enough to shut these fiends completely down.

Well, it's now obvious, he is a fairly "woke" Civic Nationalist, willing to go further than I expected. The alternatives of any Democrat, NeverTrumper, Alt-Retard (fake Nazis), Green Party, or etc., was all the same...Suicidal. There was no intelligent Alt-Right, or even Paleo who stood a chance in Hell of being elected.

The Death Threats, and Kidnapping Threats(against his grandson) have only stiffed his resolve.

It is further obvious to all except to those with agendas against him that he has done, and is doing much (though economic war mainly) for the USA, Western Civilization, and etc. To ignore his accomplishments is to ally yourself with the various Deep States (international), and the World Wide MSM.

Blogger SciVo April 05, 2018 7:17 AM  

Miguel wrote:Here in Portugal people still believe everything that the media says about Trump. When I tell them the truth, some are really surprised but most don't even care.

Do like Trump does: attack their media's credibility. Pound it with examples of wrongness, regardless of whether from incompetence or bias.

I think that the thought that one is being deceived, specially someone who prides himself in his suposed "inteligence", must be hard to accept.

It's worse than you think: they're only pretending to pride themselves on their intelligence. They don't even!

The vast majority of "educated" (really just credentialed) are fundamentally intellectually lazy. They choose a source and then even when you actually get them to admit that they were totally convinced of something that was provably wrong, they will come back the next day quoting that same source again, gullible as $#!+.

Trump has found the way, which is to apply Alinsky and freeze the lying source, personalize it, and mock it mercilessly. CNN is Fake News, and so is your friends' source, and it will always be Day Zero until you make them abandon it. No change can happen until they see the mental shortcut as costing more energy than it saves.

Blogger Longtime Lurker April 05, 2018 7:28 AM  

Trump is still popular because he reveals his opponents and detractors to be no better and quite often worse than he is.

Blogger tuberman April 05, 2018 7:29 AM  

I have no problem with using the left's Rules For Radicals against them, as what would Sun Tzu have said?

Blogger tuberman April 05, 2018 7:40 AM  

Longtime Lurker wrote:Trump is still popular because he reveals his opponents and detractors to be no better and quite often worse than he is.

NO, It IS due to him delivering on much of what he said he would, period. Mining, Steel, jobs, starting to close borders (with everyone working against him), making the USA energy independent, getting rid of much of the bribes that run the corrupt USA government, and dozens of other things (most happening in stealth mode as that is the way Wars are won today).

So, LL, who are you? What is your agenda? Spill it? Safe space for you here. Tell us about you, and how you would do better?

Blogger Aeoli Pera April 05, 2018 7:41 AM  

I'll vote for Trump because the alternative is heresy.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira April 05, 2018 7:53 AM  

It's crazy, they just keep digging themselves deeper. Truly remarkable levels of self destruction.

Blogger cavalier973 April 05, 2018 7:58 AM  

At least its porn stars and not children.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 05, 2018 8:02 AM  

@ 12. tuberman

This was more or less my path as well. His competence and awareness has exceeded my expectations and the shift in the public discourse is palpable. He has drawn the lines of the coming conflict that had been carefully concealed from most until now.

The larger issue is the continued existence of a hostile enemy propaganda network as the "official" media, now that the extent of their treachery is laid bare.

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 05, 2018 8:03 AM  

"Trump is more popular despite the overwhelmingly negative media coverage."

Could be BECAUSE of the negative media coverage. I know it has strengthened my own support for the God Emperor.

Blogger CarpeOro April 05, 2018 8:04 AM  

Warming my breakfast at work I looked over at the small library we have in our lunch room. Amongst the auto industry related books and other stuff I saw a copy of a book by Dee Dee Myer - fortunately not drinking coffee at the time. Something about why women should rule the world. Comment on the dust jacket was by Tom Brokaw about it be well reasoned and thought provoking. That about says it all for talking heads on television.

Blogger tuberman April 05, 2018 8:05 AM  

"The vast majority of "educated" (really just credentialed) are fundamentally intellectually lazy."

Worse then that, was taking the train downtown last week, and overheard young lady sitting in the next seat over. She was near graduation in Med School, saying she needed SSRIs to hold it all together, and she was in her mid-to-late 20's, and talking to a college professor. The constant lies and propaganda seems to have an unbalancing effect. She was signaling that she's okay as she is only taking moderate doses so far.
Then they talked (gossiped) about all the people they knew on high doses of SSRIs, plus other drugs on top. Tsk, tsk!?

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 05, 2018 8:05 AM  

They're just coming out of the "He can't really be the President" phase of acceptance and are moving into "Okay, he's the President, but let's talk about the issues" and he won't matter phase. It won't work though, because it will always devolve to, Muh Russia, Racist, Sexist, Transphobe, Islamophobe. They can't help themselves because their entire worldview is built on sand.

Blogger CarpeOro April 05, 2018 8:07 AM  

The press has forgotten the old dictum - you can know a man by his enemies. No one above 100 IQ really respects the press any more (or most of CONgress), including their backers. Gives Trump considerable cache.

Blogger Rocklea Marina April 05, 2018 8:08 AM  

@23 Tuberman
It's a Brave New World

Blogger lazlo azavaar April 05, 2018 8:35 AM  

The media is only now realizing that all the credibility they pissed away for power all these years does not replenish. And they are now bereft of it's necessity.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd April 05, 2018 8:44 AM  

This. It's ridiculous when you prove them wrong about a topic, say race realism, and then they start the whole, "everybody knows that" argument, even though the individual spent 30 mins denying it. When you jump over that hurdle, it's "ok, so what's the solution ? We just genocide everyone who isn't perfect? If you're so superior, come up with a solution."
Their arguments are like a multi-tiered defense-indepth. They are so concerned with stopping the discussion they don't even notice they are openly contradicting themselves at every phase.

Blogger Uncle John's Band April 05, 2018 8:47 AM  

@ 28. Wynn Lloyd

When you recognize the defensive patterns, you can start making them dance.

Blogger swiftfoxmark2 April 05, 2018 9:23 AM  

If polygamy was legal, Trump would be king.

Trump plays the game and does it well. He makes women compete for his affection and attention. And most women (and men) are incapable of realizing this simple fact about Alpha men.

Blogger Andrew April 05, 2018 9:39 AM  

The Stormy/Trump thing is still he said/she said. Trump has denied it. I believe him, not her.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash April 05, 2018 9:39 AM  

As a co-worker said about our boss, "It won't make any difference to go complain about him to the people who hired him. They knew who he was. They knew he was an asshole when they hired him. They hired an asshole for the job because they wanted an asshole to do the job.

We knew Trump was an adulterer when we voted for him. We didn't care. We elected Trump because we wanted a sarcastic pit-fighting asshole for President.
I for one am pleased to see he's still wielding his razor, still going for their faces.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan April 05, 2018 9:40 AM  

The most promising thing I see is that the good folk who post here are dropping the "Old Papa Conservative" shtick of explaining things to Big Momma Liberal and Radical Child.

Blogger Peaceful Poster April 05, 2018 9:50 AM  

The God Emperor is who we thought he was.

That's why we let him off the hook.

And crowned him the God Emperor.

Blogger James Dixon April 05, 2018 9:58 AM  

> The God Emperor is who we thought he was.

I thought he wasn't Hillary. He still isn't. That will always be enough.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 05, 2018 10:18 AM  

James Dixon,

I will never tire of hearing about Hillary moaning and complaining. I do t want to actually listen to her moan and complain, just know that she's still doing it.

Blogger bosscauser April 05, 2018 10:26 AM  

Maybe these people voted against Republicans who simply lie. ..

Blogger Anchorman April 05, 2018 10:34 AM  

I thought he wasn't Hillary. He still isn't. That will always be enough.

+1

I wasn't an initial Trump supporter. I voted for him somewhat reluctantly, but voted against Hillary with gusto.

Blogger Longtime Lurker April 05, 2018 10:38 AM  

@16: "So, LL, who are you? What is your agenda? Spill it? Safe space for you here. Tell us about you, and how you would do better?"

Tuberman, the unstated basis of my observation was this: Trump is chronically portrayed by the unbelievable MSM as the worst person in the world. He's not. And the people who dog him? They are not exactly paragons of virtue. Exhibit du jour: Jeff Bezos.

BTW, I'm just a pseudonymous commenter like many here. And I wouldn't describe Vox Populi as my safe space. It's more like a favored delicatessen.

Blogger AnvilTiger April 05, 2018 10:38 AM  

Mark Twain quote on the news media: "It has become a sarcastic proverb that a thing must be true if you saw it in a newspaper. That is the opinion intelligent people have of that lying vehicle in a nutshell. But the trouble is that the stupid people -- who constitute the grand overwhelming majority of this and all other nations -- do believe and are moulded and convinced by what they get out of a newspaper, and there is where the harm lies."

Blogger Jon D. April 05, 2018 10:50 AM  

Now we just gotta get that wall.

Blogger Jourdan April 05, 2018 10:59 AM  

Regarding the military to the border bit, the re-appearance of this old chestnut to appease those outraged by illegal immigration while doing nothing to stop it is a very worrying development.

So far, Trump's surprise announcement has followed a well-worn path seen many times under other presidents: 1) the President says "the Army" will be sent to the southern border to protect it from illegal immigration; 2) Overnight, "the Army" become "National Guard"; 3) then, whichever government official is put in charge of this scam--in this case it's DHS Sec Nielsen--announces the beginning of "negotiations" with Southwestern state governors about deployments.

We're at this stage right now.

Next, those "negotiations" drag on a bit. Then some hapless Guardsmen are sent to accompany Border Patrol officers, under direct orders not to use their weapons or face murder charges. They are told they have no law enforcement role and to defer completely to BP. They then follow BP officers around like the proverbial third wheel. Finally, after the whole thing has died down, the program is shelved for use in 5-8 years when this happens again.

California, Arizona and New Mexico's governors are pro-illegal immigration, and will take no moves against it in any case.

Despite "ending" DACA, the courts have extended it, and not one non-criminal DACArito has been deported, nor will they be. The Ds didn't need to deal with Trump because, as usual, the federal judiciary carried the Ds' water for them.

Trump was elected primarily for two reasons: world-historical and disastrous levels of legal and illegal immigration, and the resulting devastation of the European-American working and middle classes.

Instead, so far we have now DACA imposed by judicial fiat, an Omnibus bill which dramatically increased H work visas, a "Muslim ban" on immigration visas that was overturned by judicial fiat and stopped not one single immigrant for the affected counties getting their visas, a Presidential determination that the number of people who qualify for DACA status at a whopping and completely unforeseen 1.8 million persons, a Wall prototype project that is laughable (I've seen the prototypes, on an official tour, they are not impressive, to put it lightly).

I believe the President is working hard to implement his agenda. I trust him. That he's not having much success in this field so far, however, is not surprising. As I've written many times, USG is no longer simply a government, it is an ideological organization on a mission. Immigration--massive legal immigration and a de facto open border--is central to its ideological mission. It can't give up any ground on immigration--notice how quickly "immigration reform, ending chain migration" died--or risk losing ideological legitimacy.

Seen in that light, Trump becomes a rather Gorbachev-like figure. He knows the system and the government has to change, he's somehow managed to rise to the top, he is nominally in charge, but the entire structure of the government mitigates against his moves. He is obstructed at every turn, with tens of thousands of ideologically-driven believers he needs to carry out his anti-ideological orders.

Blogger Ceerilan April 05, 2018 11:05 AM  

I'm waiting for the moment when a president really goes after the media moguls and shills for treason against America. They made it obvious that they hate us and/or think we're stupid for having different priorities. They created this hostile environment. Seeing them act surprised at receiving their own treatment will be glorious.

Blogger SciVo April 05, 2018 11:25 AM  

Uncle John's Band wrote:@ 28. Wynn Lloyd

When you recognize the defensive patterns, you can start making them dance.


Although it is good to know the fallacies so that you can see through them, and the cognitive biases so that you can avoid them, I think it is best of all to be able to name the tactics. If nothing else, you know not to waste your breath on someone employing a kafkatrap or motte & bailey style of argument, as they are not interested in Truth; and who knows? You may sway bystanders if you can demonstrate foul play.

OpenID bgkoranburner April 05, 2018 11:26 AM  

And they just can't help themselves

The left is still fighting for Trannies in the military & little girls bathrooms with 2 articles in the past week. I hope they keep fighting it until 2024. Also new law & Supreme Court Title challenge on bathrooms incoming.

A special election in a lame duck Congressional district where the seat flipped by a bit over 600 votes total doesn’t concern me.

It does concern me because of how many non citizens caught voting there.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/27/report-100000-non-citizens-registered-voters-pennsylvania/

The problem was the usual: having to choose between a giant douche and a shit sandwich.

Douches perform a vital service people are willing to pay money for. Do you have any idea how bad dykes breath would be without them?
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2018/03/30/joint-chiefs-not-briefed-trump-went-public-trans-military-ban/
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2018/03/29/dod-appears-to-contradict-white-house-on-process-for-trans-military-ban/

Regarding the military to the border bit, the re-appearance of this old chestnut to appease those outraged by illegal immigration while doing nothing to stop it is a very worrying development.

TRUMP should drone strike the American jewish antifa leader of the wetback caravan, & all the vehicles that are a part of it. Then ask congress to decide if Obama's drone strike policy is ok.

Blogger haus frau April 05, 2018 11:48 AM  

I have assumed from the beginning that Melania, of all people, knows who Trump is. I cant imagine they didnt hash out an agreement of some sort about Trump's tendency to stray, something along the lines of "just be discreet and don't embarrass me please ." They are trying to build up this porn star nonsense in the a wedge in his marriage, just like they pushed Vanessa Trump to the break point.

Blogger Emmanuel Mateo-Morales April 05, 2018 12:08 PM  

@7

So you didn't care he was not just getting a BJ in the whitehouse, but in the oval office? Fuck, no wonder the country's fucked.

Blogger Mr. Naron April 05, 2018 12:23 PM  

"As Glenn Reynolds says, their chief occupation is now deciding what facts they are going to try to hide from the American people."

Or as David Burge, AKA IowaHawk says, "The job of the journalist is to cover a story. With a pillow. Until it stops moving."

Blogger Duke Norfolk April 05, 2018 12:55 PM  

Stg58/Animal Mother wrote:I do t want to actually listen to her moan and complain, just know that she's still doing it.

Yes. May her loss haunt her and torment her 'til her death. Toss in some angst about getting held accountable for just a bit of all the corrupt and evil she's done in her life, and we have just a taste of justice.

Of course actually being arrested and thrown in the Big House would be sweeter indeed.

OpenID Dave April 05, 2018 1:03 PM  

"Seen in that light, Trump becomes a rather Gorbachev-like figure."

Gorbachev tried to reform the Soviet Union but ended up destroying it instead. Maybe the USG defeats Trump but loses all legitimacy in the process, and the USA breaks up into several ethno-states. Not the worst possible outcome.

Blogger DonReynolds April 05, 2018 1:44 PM  

Many things are damaging to the credibility of the American media and they are guilty of every single one of them. But for anyone over the age of 25, with an IQ of 100 or better, the most important factor is INCONSISTENCY. When the media was completely silent or supportive of Obama when he did X, it then ruins their credibility when they attack Trump for doing the exact same thing! President Trump has the exact same powers and authority ever exercised by President Obama.

Obama went after the state of Arizona with hammer and tongs over their copying of Federal immigration laws as state laws. (At the same time, he looked the other way when several states declared marijuana to be legal. Yes, nullification of Federal law.) Arizona was not contrary to Federal laws, they simply wanted them enforced. California is nullifying Federal immigration laws and Trump is calling their hand and the media is having a pre-meltdown. The media has gotten to the point where truth-telling and the Rule of Law are outrageous hate crimes.

More to the point, the American media no longer reports the news...period. They offer distractions and lies and imaginary issues to take up their time on our television screens, but they utterly REFUSE to report the news they hold in their hand. Proof of this is the fact that persons interested in knowing what is going on in the USA must increasingly rely on the FOREIGN press and media. The British newspapers (as liberal as they are) are ten times more likely to report events in the US than any of the US news organizations. The news has become politically incorrect so the US news organizations either must invent or manufacture news stories, that are lies or nonsense or trivial.... or they must fill the airtime with comments that are 100% "analysis" (pure speculation), without reporting anything factual....because facts are "hate".

Blogger SemiSpook37 April 05, 2018 2:01 PM  

@BGKB

Re: PA non-citizens

Honestly, I already factor that into the equation. The point is that the best the could muster was only a 20 point swing with that kind of “help” to get to essentially even, then they’re going to have a hell of a time doing that EVERYWHERE when all 435 seats are up for grabs.

It is also less of a concern to me because every single Congresscritter in PA is now scrambling to decide how they fit into the Stanford-mander. Sure, the media “says” it favors Dumbasses, but depending on the district and how salty the constituents are, nothing is a sure thing here.

Blogger DonReynolds April 05, 2018 2:11 PM  

@45 bgkoranburner
"TRUMP should drone strike the American jewish antifa leader of the wetback caravan, & all the vehicles that are a part of it. Then ask congress to decide if Obama's drone strike policy is ok."

The old train that shuttles Central Americans "unaccompanied minors" through Mexico to the Texas border is owned by a couple of rich American radicals. I had much rather hear that the locomotive has been disabled by a precision drone strike, or a single A-10 Warthog, or even a CIA Special Op. Put the train out of commission for months or years at a time.

Blogger VFM #7634 April 05, 2018 2:25 PM  

Here in Portugal people still believe everything that the media says about Trump. When I tell them the truth, some are really surprised but most don't even care.

@3 Miguel
From what I understand about the media in Europe, most people in most countries still believe it. I think France is one of the few countries where most people don't trust the media. And Israel is like the U.S. in that only right-wing voters don't trust the media.

Blogger James Dixon April 05, 2018 2:32 PM  

> So you didn't care he was not just getting a BJ in the whitehouse, but in the oval office?

It's not like he was the first. Where were you during the Kennedy administration?

> The point is that the best the could muster was only a 20 point swing with that kind of “help” to get to essentially even,

With a candidate who repudiates the majority of the current party positions and has said he won't support Pelosi for Speaker.

Blogger Wolfman at Large April 05, 2018 3:55 PM  

The media got high on their own supply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCfJTtwc60g

Blogger Pale Male April 05, 2018 4:17 PM  

Wynn Lloyd wrote:It's ridiculous when you prove them wrong about a topic, say race realism, and then they start the whole, "everybody knows that" argument, even though the individual spent 30 mins denying it. When you jump over that hurdle, it's "ok, so what's the solution ? We just genocide everyone who isn't perfect? If you're so superior, come up with a solution."
If you watch long enough, you'll see this from all kinds of people.  Remember, MPAI and cannot reason.  They're tribal creatures and can't stand being out-grouped so they'll reiterate the tribal shibboleths forever even if they don't make sense and they know it.

You'll find this exact phenomenon described and excoriated in Mein Kampf.

Their arguments are like a multi-tiered defense-indepth. They are so concerned with stopping the discussion they don't even notice they are openly contradicting themselves at every phase.
Maintaining standing within the group is more important than truth.

Blogger Pale Male April 05, 2018 4:19 PM  

SciVo wrote:Although it is good to know the fallacies so that you can see through them, and the cognitive biases so that you can avoid them, I think it is best of all to be able to name the tactics.
That helps to some extent, but given the lousy state of education today, listing the logical fallacies in play might as well be gibberish to 95% of the populace.  People don't know what e.g. reductio ad absurdum is and won't look it up.

If nothing else, you know not to waste your breath on someone employing a kafkatrap or motte & bailey style of argument, as they are not interested in Truth; and who knows? You may sway bystanders if you can demonstrate foul play.
With the cheapness and ubiquity of recording devices, it has never been easier to assemble evidence that someone is a sleazy liar and present it to the world.  Shaming them hard enough to shut them up is probably the only thing we can do.

OpenID markstoval April 05, 2018 4:37 PM  

"Shaming them hard enough to shut them up is probably the only thing we can do."

Unfortunately, I have never met a hard core leftist or SJW that has any shame at all. In fact, I have never been totally convinced that they are even human.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener April 05, 2018 4:48 PM  

Banging Playmates and porn stars? Who cares??? Now on the other hand, look what Jeb chose to procreate with. That would have been a continual source of national embarrassment.

Blogger Allen L. April 05, 2018 6:10 PM  

I think many of the American people turned on the media for one simple reason. They figured out that most members of the media were dumber than fence posts. Oh sure the media has bias, and I believe most people don't really care. What they dislike is sanctimonious fools trying to sell them a lemon of a used car as if it's a new model. That's just an insult.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother April 05, 2018 10:19 PM  

There is also the small matter of the media despising most Americans and actively working to kill us all.

Blogger James Dixon April 06, 2018 3:13 PM  

> People don't know what e.g. reductio ad absurdum is and won't look it up.

But reductio ad absurdum isn't a logical fallacy. It's an argumentative form, and a valid one: https://infogalactic.com/info/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Blogger Pale Male April 08, 2018 6:35 AM  

What you are talking about is proof by contradiction; merely asserting an absurd outcome doesn't rise to that level.  Most people won't (and probably can't) handle the level of rigor required to actually prove or disprove something that way, and it is extremely slippery in the social sphere.  For example, it is superficially reasonable that an increase in gun ownership would lead to an increase in gun crime.  You need empirical results to show that the result is the opposite.

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