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Monday, May 14, 2018

Bring it

I sincerely hope France, Germany, and the UK are dumb enough to listen to Obama's ex-officials and call what they wrongly imagine is the God-Emperor's bluff on the Iran deal:
Two former Obama administration officials suggested that America’s European allies should punish President Donald Trump for withdrawing from the Iran deal and levying additional sanctions on the Islamic republic.

The European Union and individual European countries are obligated to take aggressive steps to preserve the Iran deal, in order to avoid becoming Trump’s “doormat,” Steven Simon and Jonathan Stevenson argued in an op-ed that ran in The New York Times Thursday. Both Simon and Stevenson were directors on former President Barack Obama’s National Security Council (NSC).

“The European Union could, for instance, announce the withdrawal of member-states’ ambassadors from the United States. Isn’t this what states do when diplomatic partners breach solemn agreements, expose them to security risks and threaten to wreak havoc on their economies? That is, after all, what the administration is threatening to do by courting the risk of a Middle Eastern war and applying secondary sanctions to European companies,” they argued. “Depending on the American response, European capitals might even follow up with expulsion of American ambassadors.”

“It would be hard to fault these moves as irresponsible, given that they would not impair vital security functions like intelligence-sharing and law enforcement coordination. They would, however, symbolize a stark diplomatic breach that could extend to other areas in which the Trump administration needs allied support,” the former Obama officials wrote. “Thus, the White House would face the first hard choice in this whole process: a full-blown crisis in trans-Atlantic relations. If the administration’s next move were to impose secondary sanctions on Europe, the Europeans could slap its own penalties on American multinational corporations, which in turn would place additional pressure on the White House.”
It's truly remarkable how these once-powerful bureaucrats simply don't understand the power calculus involved. Or, as it should be phrased, the power addition. The US runs a big balance-of-trade deficit with Europe, so any such action on the part of the European governments would affect them much more severely than it would affect the United States.

We are rapidly coming to the end of the peaceful period when butter mattered more than guns. Which is why Europe is waning in influence as Russia, and particularly China, are waxing. What mattered more to the Syrian government, Germany's cars or Russia's anti-aircraft systems? What was more important to defeating the Islamic State, UK banking institutions or Iranian military advisors?

Any such move on the EU's part will help break the illusion of its power and offer further encouragement to the rising nationalist movements seeking to free their peoples from the EU's chains. In the meantime:
H.J.Ansari Zarif’s senior advisor: “If Europeans stop trading with Iran and don’t put pressure on US then we will reveal which western politicians and how much money they had received during nuclear negotiations to make #IranDeal happen.”
If Trump doesn't already know them, he should offer the Iranians something to go public with those names.

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55 Comments:

Blogger The Kurgan May 14, 2018 6:28 AM  

La Serenissima in 2025!

Blogger AdognamedOp May 14, 2018 6:38 AM  

I would love to see TGE break rank with the Euroset and just let them be devoured by the saracen mobs they let in the front door.

Anonymous Anonymous May 14, 2018 6:47 AM  

The smart move for these countries would be to continue to honor the deal with Iran, but take no action against the US. These two Obamabots are just trying to recruit the EU in the ongoing 'Deep State' war against the GE.

By maintaining the status quo, the European countries can keep this issue from becoming yet another nail in the EU's inevitable coffin.

The pointless sanctions against Russia have enough of their folks riled up. They don't want to keep adding to the number of EU citizens being economically harmed by EU policies.

Of course, in the end it won't matter. The EU is a 'dead man walking'.

--ZhukovG

Blogger McChuck May 14, 2018 6:52 AM  

Because obviously diplomatic tit-for-tats are more important than preventing a nuclear war.

Fun fact - the Islamic State was primarily funded by Turkey through oil sales. Trump allowed the Air Force to whack the tanker trucks. ISIS couldn't make payroll after that.

Blogger statsman May 14, 2018 6:57 AM  

I've got nothing but support for this proposal. The only decent policy move by Obama was the Iran deal. I don't think I understand your rational for supporting Trump here. By reneging on the Iran deal, Trump is signaling that he is on-board with Neo-cons and the "Securing the Realm" objectives of overthrowing Iran for the sake of Israel. Not exactly an American First foreign policy. Our borders are a porous sieve through which invaders daily flow, but all Trump can do is support further expenditure of blood and treasure for Israeli security.

Blogger MendoScot May 14, 2018 7:07 AM  

I don't think the calmer heads in the EU are going to see much advantage in simultaneously having no diplomatic channels East or West.

But then, it comes down to how many glasses of Burgundy Juncker quaffs at lunch.

Blogger tz May 14, 2018 7:16 AM  

May, Macron, and Merkle should go ahead, including with their refugee stuff and the Paris climate accord.

Italy is already Brexiting.

We/they should dissolve NATO while we are at it.

There are also "sanctions" on Russia, but Europe needs the energy. Things are breaking up and the Fourth Turning - Crisis is just getting started.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 14, 2018 7:21 AM  

Obama is too fundamentally "lazy and wants something for nothing," to get involved in trying to save the Iran Deal. He'll make some protestations from the golf course but that's it.

John Kerry on the other hand is clearly and obviously in violation of the Logan Act.

The Iran Deal is only major thing he's ever accomplished, so it's understandable that he'd be upset but at this point he's committing treason... Which now that I think of it, has never cost him anything before, so that's understandable too.

Blogger VD May 14, 2018 7:23 AM  

By reneging on the Iran deal, Trump is signaling that he is on-board with Neo-cons and the "Securing the Realm" objectives of overthrowing Iran for the sake of Israel. Not exactly an American First foreign policy.

After nearly two years of seeing Trump think outside the box, how can you possibly imagine that your interpretation of his actions is the correct and only possible one?

Blogger exfarmkid May 14, 2018 7:24 AM  

E.U. countries made long-term economic decisions based upon a treaty not ratified by the U.S. Senate.

They probably assumed that inertia and public opinion would lock in these United States, which was a guarantee if Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton were elected President.

Screw them.

Blogger statsman May 14, 2018 7:38 AM  

After nearly two years of seeing Trump think outside the box, how can you possibly imagine that your interpretation of his actions is the correct and only possible one?

I hope you're right.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 14, 2018 7:38 AM  

A lot of Obama's moves in the middle east bolstered Shia at the expense of Sunni.

I suspect this was his anti-colonial reflexes kicking in. Sunnis acted friendly and that made them the cur to be kicked. Shia growled and gnashed it's teeth at America so they got petted and fed from the table.

When Trump moved into the White House he was justifiably curious as why everyone was demanding that he tolerate the previous tenant's trouser shredding, ankle biting mutt.

Blogger Cataline Sergius May 14, 2018 7:49 AM  

Bottomline: Trump wants leverage with Iran. The Iran Deal hamstrung any means of getting that leverage.

Honestly, there was no point in making any kind of peace overture to the Iranian political leadership. The Iranian people are indifferent to us these days but the bedrock of the Mullah's rule remains "Death to America."

Reneging a bad "treaty" doesn't mean you're going to war.

Trump is sharp enough to know that after Bush's Iraq adventure there is zero support for any major military action in the mid-east.

Blogger wreckage May 14, 2018 7:52 AM  

Iran's a lot more likely to survive if it is corrected, hard, now, than if the USA wakes up one morning and can't see any real option but to invade.

Correcting people, states, relationships early is absolutely critical to avoiding "everything was fine but then suddenly" syndrome. It's been shown everywhere from relationship counseling to Taleb's demolition of the cult of stability (see, Antifragile, a very worthy book and concept.).

Blogger Peaceful Poster May 14, 2018 8:19 AM  

Europe has been losing for so long.

The GE is going to teach them how to win again.

Blogger Francis The Pope May 14, 2018 8:25 AM  

Here are my positions on this matter
1) I am ABSOLUTELY anti jew and anti Israel, jews are by far the greatest enemy to whites.
2) I am against the EU and am pro nationalist European governments
3) I am against the US regime because it works against white interests
4) I am against neocons, neoliberals and zionists.

Based on those points I welcome the end of US relations with Europe, the reduction of trade relations, the end of NATO, the removal of US military and the end of the EU. Truly nationalist European regimes would require them to have unfriendly relations with the US regime however.

Blogger Robert What? May 14, 2018 8:27 AM  

Iran is no threat to the United States. But since (((Israel))) calls the shots for American foreign policy, I guess we're going to war with Iran.

Blogger VD May 14, 2018 8:29 AM  

Iran is no threat to the United States. But since (((Israel))) calls the shots for American foreign policy, I guess we're going to war with Iran.

Thank you, Mr. Foreign Policy expert. Just like we went to war in Syria, and in North Korea, like you guys said. It's remarkable how you learn absolutely nothing from being repeatedly wrong.

Blogger tuberman May 14, 2018 8:30 AM  

" By reneging on the Iran deal, Trump is signaling that he is on-board with Neo-cons and the "Securing the Realm" objectives of overthrowing Iran for the sake of Israel. Not exactly an American First foreign policy."

As Concern Trolls go, you don't even score a 2 out of 10, maybe a 1.5.

There was not even a "deal" made by BHO, as the Iranians did not sign it.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) May 14, 2018 8:31 AM  

Obama gave Iran almost $2 Billion. in CASH. in addition, Iran was restored access to $100 Billion in assets as well as being permitted to participate in the global crude market.

where do you think Iran is going to spend much of that?

ie - EU support for the deal is almost certainly an expression that Iran is buying foodstuffs and other goods from Europe.

Blogger tuberman May 14, 2018 8:31 AM  

The shills are out in pairs now.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 14, 2018 8:36 AM  

MUH BLACKPILL ISRAEL

Blogger James Dixon May 14, 2018 8:41 AM  

> “The European Union could, for instance, announce the withdrawal of member-states’ ambassadors from the United States.

Do they really think we have a problem with this? In retaliation we would simply pull our ambassadors back from their countries. More cuts to the state department can hardly be considered a bad thing.

> If the administration’s next move were to impose secondary sanctions on Europe, the Europeans could slap its own penalties on American multinational corporations, which in turn would place additional pressure on the White House.

Oh, "Please, Br'er Fox, don't fling me in dat brier-patch."

> But since (((Israel))) calls the shots for American foreign policy, I guess we're going to war with Iran.

Highly unlikely. See http://freebeacon.com/national-security/white-house-examining-plan-spark-regime-change-iran/ for a more likely course of action.

Blogger sykes.1 May 14, 2018 8:46 AM  

They don't even understand that control of the various European ambassadors to the US is in the hands of the individual European states, and that the EU has no control or influence over how those states choose to assign their diplomats.

Blogger Nathan May 14, 2018 8:47 AM  

I'll be interested to see how bad this so-called deal actually stinks. There's been talk of bribery, Instapundit has NK leaving Iran, so God knows what the deal was really about, but the right people are very, very angry about it, so I expect some interesting revelations very soon.

Blogger PCA May 14, 2018 8:48 AM  

Correction. Shia growled at USrael.

Iran correctly identified America as the Great Satan (and Israel as the Little Satan) , which is precisely what it has become.

Blogger Lazarus May 14, 2018 8:53 AM  

The only decent policy move by Obama was the Iran deal. .

I dunno....Trump's whole deal is the art of the deal and he sez the Iran deal was a bad deal.

Deal with that.

Blogger Iron Spartan May 14, 2018 8:53 AM  

I can't imagine anything more stupid than the EU trying to pressure the God Emperor.

I'm hoping they do try. The fallout would break the EU before the God Emperor gets his exemption to the XXII amendment

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 14, 2018 8:54 AM  

VD wrote:Thank you, Mr. Foreign Policy expert. Just like we went to war in Syria, and in North Korea, like you guys said. It's remarkable how you learn absolutely nothing from being repeatedly wrong.

That's how we know they are experts: they are impervious to mere reality. It takes more than facts to make them change their mind - it takes cash!

Blogger dienw May 14, 2018 8:55 AM  

Via Instapundit:
North Korea was withdrawn its scientists & engineers who were assisting Shahid Bagheri Industries Co. to design & develop a special variant of Hwasong-10 Musudan Ballistic Missile for #IRGC named as #Khorramshahr

Blogger Allen Skeens May 14, 2018 8:58 AM  

"Lets you and him fight!"

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) May 14, 2018 8:59 AM  

19. tuberman May 14, 2018 8:30 AM
There was not even a "deal" made by BHO, as the Iranians did not sign it.



how much of those Billions in baksheesh were funneled back into the hands of entities controlled by Obama and Kerry?

of course they're not going to sign anything to that effect.

Blogger CynicalMan May 14, 2018 9:02 AM  

Hmm, US citizens acting as foreign policy advisors to foreign countries advocating for policies in opposition to official US policy. Now doesn't that sound a bit traitorous.

Blogger buzzardist May 14, 2018 9:13 AM  

Europe expels America's diplomats. America withdraws its military. How many years would the peace in Europe survive without the American military planted in the middle of Europe as a big deterrent to everyone? The EU itself has only been possible because American military presence and diplomatic influence established an unprecedented period of peace in Europe.

If anyone in European governments is actually considering this option, they need to get over themselves. They had a deal with Obama, not with the United States. A treaty ratified by the Senate would be binding law, and a president tearing up a treaty unilaterally would deserve some kind of strong response like expelling diplomats. But when Europe's diplomats are stupid enough to ink personal deals with American presidents rather than insist on formal treaties ratified by the Senate, the fault is on them.

Obama was able to get away with a lot, including the Iran deal, because everyone assumed Clinton was his anointed successor, and so no change in policy would happen. America voters decided differently.

And now we see Obama cronies negotiating behind the scenes to try to keep the Iran deal alive, while Iran threatens to reveal which politicians took Iranian bribes to seal the deal. That's a threat? The traitors in America and among our allies are outing themselves. Where they don't, Iran will out them for us. This is win-win-win for America.

Blogger arende15 May 14, 2018 9:15 AM  

Hubris kills.

Blogger Jonathon Davies May 14, 2018 9:22 AM  

Theresa May's default setting is globalism so of course she wants the Iran deal and won't move the embassy. It's also why we are still in the EU two years after the referendum. Is she dumb enough to go along with sanctions? Absolutely. The nonsense the head of MI5 spouted this morning confirms it. "UK needs to remain close to EU for security." Because that stopped the four terror attacks last year. The false Russia narratives failed so they have to try something new.

Blogger pyrrhus May 14, 2018 9:23 AM  

Nothing will happen, as usual...China and Russia will scoop up any business that the EU refuses, as long as Iran can pay.

Blogger wreckage May 14, 2018 9:37 AM  

You know, when investment advisors say "Past performance is not indicative of future performance", they really need to take into account the deleterious affect that has on stupid people.

Along with "correlation proves not-causation!" we now have "past performance reliably indicates the exact opposite outcome in future, starting now. Wait.... now. NOW.... wait for it.... NOW!"

Personally I think the US will lose this war it has started in Iran, being as it is already overstretched with its wars with Korea, Syria, Russia, Mexico and Saudi Arabia; massive losses due to trade war with all the above plus the EU and Canada; and tied up with the impeachment of its President on multiple counts of hot kinky sex with Russian porn stars.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 14, 2018 10:10 AM  

It’s kind of funny how it would be armageddon for Trump to start a trade war but it’s a moral obligation for the EU to start one ....

Reminiscent of a lot of public discourse double standards of late.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 14, 2018 10:10 AM  

wreckage wrote:You know, when investment advisors say "Past performance is not indicative of future performance",

Past performance is actually indicative of future performance, if it was bad. No correlation for mutual funds between past profits and future profits, but decent correlation between past and future losses. Past good performance may have been luck. Past poor performance is likely to have been a systematic problem. Morningstar published results showing that, some years ago.

Blogger FP May 14, 2018 10:17 AM  

@5 "The only decent policy move by Obama was the Iran deal. I don't think I understand your rational for supporting Trump here."

Hey now, you're forgetting about Egypt and the MB policy move. Even more decent was "we came, we saw, he died." Stop selling Obama short.

Blogger haus frau May 14, 2018 10:18 AM  

Pam Geller is reporting an Iranian official threatening to reveal which European officials took bribes to secure the iran deal is europe doesnt pressure america to stay in it. I have a hard time imagining how Iran cant see the blow back from that kind of threat. I so hope they reveal everything out of spite.

Blogger Avalanche May 14, 2018 10:42 AM  

@2 "I would love to see TGE break rank with the Euroset and just let them be devoured by the saracen mobs they let in the front door."

When your 'parents' descend into Alzheimer's and insanity, do you abandon them or hasten to manage/repair the things they've screwed up, and then (metaphorically or actually) take control of their finances and housing and health care?

If your demented parents -- in their demented 'reason'ing -- allow evil 'caretakers' into their house; do you abandon them to that evil?

I really Really REALLY hope Iran releases the names of the Westerner pols who accepted bribes to arrange the obamination's deal. (Talk about winning!!) (I don't understand why they don't; save that they, too, wish the moslems to succeed in destroying the civilized West?)

Clearly, by pulling out, the God Emperor already has 'broken ranks' with the Euroset, has he not?

Anonymous Anonymous May 14, 2018 10:58 AM  

Statsman By reneging on the Iran deal, Trump is signaling that he is on-board with Neo-cons and the "Securing the Realm" objectives of overthrowing Iran for the sake of Israel

TRUMP is playing the Israelis vs Godless bacon eating cocksucker jews like no politician ever before. If you know any of the latter rub the following in their face, but be warned their lamentations are far worse than women.
https://www.jpost.com/OMG/Israeli-soccer-team-to-add-Trump-to-their-name-to-honor-US-president-556280

Blogger Man of The West May 14, 2018 11:16 AM  

Anyone recall when the entire narrative was that Trump was bringing the US to a hot war with North Korea, then suddenly there was major peace negotiations? The same thing happened even earlier with Russia. Why would the current Iran situation be any different?

Blogger Iron Spartan May 14, 2018 11:28 AM  

buzzardist wrote:Europe expels America's diplomats. America withdraws its military. How many years would the peace in Europe survive without the American military planted in the middle of Europe as a big deterrent to everyone? The EU itself has only been possible because American military presence and diplomatic influence established an unprecedented period of peace in Europe.




How fast would major European economies tank without the billions spent there by American troops? And how fast would the pointing of fingers turn to the pointing of rifles? I'm not sure I see a downside.

Blogger wreckage May 14, 2018 11:35 AM  

@40, that makes sense.

@45 the narrative contradicts the basics of negotiation and power. It's not just transparently deceptive, it's making people dysfunctional by rote-teaching broken models.

Blogger Jack Amok May 14, 2018 11:55 AM  

“If Europeans stop trading with Iran and don’t put pressure on US then we will reveal which western politicians and how much money they had received during nuclear negotiations to make #IranDeal happen.”

So that's what they mean when they say diplomacy should be in the hands of professionals.

Blogger James Dixon May 14, 2018 1:03 PM  

> So that's what they mean when they say diplomacy should be in the hands of professionals.

Professionals. OK, humor me for a minute. That brings to mind a PSA radio ad I heard a while ago. Let's see...

OK, found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oWuicUoWvE

"Them's be the benefits of workin' with a true professional." Somehow I always thought his results might actually be better than those of the HUD approved folks. The same may be true when it comes to diplomacy.

Blogger horsewithnonick May 14, 2018 2:32 PM  

If Trump doesn't already know them, he should offer the Iranians something to go public with those names.

He ought to encourage them to do so regardless; the exposure would do them - well, okay, us - a world of good.

Blogger DonReynolds May 14, 2018 3:16 PM  

WE have a word we use to describe US citizens (and institutions) that side with foreign governments against their own country..... TRAITOR. That kind of behavior should result in immediate arrest, no matter if they are former officials of the Federal government, like John Kerry. If they are not already registered as a Foreign Agent with the Federal government, additional charges should be applied.

No doubt there are plenty of laws that are being violated here and each have their own penalty. Pile it on. Make some examples. The law is not suspended for celebs or NYTimes guest editors. Hang them out to dry.

Blogger Revelation Means Hope May 15, 2018 12:39 AM  

I would buy all the SJW scum in my work area ice cream in celebration if the EU got into a tit for tat spat with his majesty Donald Trump.

In other news, I have it on excellent authority how the Trump Administration is making illegal immigration advocates in the sanctuary areas have to work triple hard to get each illegal status in the US now.

The backlog of cases and paperwork and extreme demand for multiple interviews and documentation is serving its purpose. Many discouraged freeloaders are heading back to the $hitholes that they came from in frustration.

I feel terrible (no sarcasm) for those who are genuinely in need of refugee status, because the decades of the abuse of the Uncle Sugar Daddy has lead to a crackdown on everyone.

I am planting the notion in many liberals' heads that this legal recourse is a last ditch effort before the shooting wars start, and if they don't want to see thousands die, they better stop opposing the Trump train. A few are starting to listen.

Blogger Student in Blue May 15, 2018 1:00 AM  

Razorfist had a really good video on the Iran Deal, and Trump backing out of it. One of the points he made was that Iran was not, by any means, actually keeping to the deal, particularly because the part of the government the deal was struck with is a toothless tiger, and the clerics and military kept doing their thing without regard to the deal.

Blogger Damaris Tighe May 15, 2018 5:51 AM  

the iran 'deal' was all their own work - a ludicrous spectacle from start to finish.

their work should be more widely known...

Blogger Unknown May 16, 2018 12:58 PM  

Joe Northpal
1 second ago
Rethinking the Iran deal

Remember history of saudi arabia/israel accusing competitors have nukes and WMD.
Saddam Hussein Iraq
Iran
Syria
Similarities:
Reagan 8 year term built up military leaving the Saudi partners Bush family and Israel first neo-cons finger on the trigger of a loaded new shiny pistol.

Is Trumps hard line push for a 'better' agreement designed to install a tamper proof (Neo-Con proof) safety on that new pistol?
Trump is rebuilding a stronger modernized military.
If that same scenario of a successful 8 year run and military buildup at the disposal of a real wing nut christian zionist israel firster mike pence elected on Trumps coat tails. How many Goy will die this time around?

But what the fuck do I know? I'm just a guy from Jersey with a GED.

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