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Friday, May 11, 2018

Darkstream: identity is tradition

In last night's Darkstream, I mentioned the way in which the people of Tongling, China, impressed Douglas Adams with the size and speed of their unprecedented, and ultimately unsuccessful, attempt to save the now-extinct baiji, the Yangtze River Dolphin.

From Last Chance to See:
A little upstream of Tongling, opposite the town of Datong, there is an elbow-shaped bend in the river. In the crook of the elbow lie two triangular islands, between which runs a channel of water. The channel is about one and a half kilometres long, five metres deep, and between forty and two hundred metres wide, and this channel will be the dolphins' semi-nature reserve.

Fences of bamboo and metal are being constructed at either end of the channel, through which water from the main river flows continuously. A huge amount of remodelling and construction work is being done to make this possible. A large artificial hospital and holding pools are being built on one of the islands to hold injured or newly captured dolphins. A fish farm is being built on the other to feed them.

The scale of the project is enormous.

It is very, very expensive, the committee said, solemnly, and they can't even be sure that it will work. But they have to try. The baiji, they explained, is very important to them and it is their duty to protect it.

Mark asked them how on earth they raised the money to do it. It had all been put into operation in an extraordinarily short time.

Yes, they said, we have had to work very, very fast.

They had raised money from many sources. A substantial amount came from the central government, and more again from local government. Then there were many donations from local people and businesses. They had also, they said a little hesitantly, gone into the business of public relations, and they would welcome our comments on this. Chinese knew little of such matters, but we, as Westerners, must surely be experts.

First, they said, they had persuaded the local brewery to use the baiji as their trademark. Had we tried Baiji Beer? It was of a good quality, now much respected in all of China. Then others had followed. The committee had entered into . . . Here there was a bit of a vocabulary problem, which necessitated a little discussion with the interpreter before the right phrase at last emerged.

They had entered into licensing agreements. Local businesses had put money into the project, in return for which they were licensed to use the baiji. symbol, which in turn made good publicity for the baiji dolphin.

So now there was not only Baiji Beer, there was also the Baiji Hotel, Baiji shoes, Baiji Cola, Baiji computerised weighing scales, Baiji toilet paper, Baiji phosphorus fertiliser, and Baiji Bentonite. Bentonite was a new one on me, and I asked them what it was.

They explained that Bentonite was a mining product used in the production of toothpaste, iron and steel casting, and also as an additive for pig food. Baiji Bentonite was a very successful product. Did we, as experts, think that this public relations was good?

We said it was absolutely astonishing, and congratulated them.

They were very gratified to know this, they said, from Western experts in such matters.

We felt more than a little abashed at these encomiums. It was very hard to imagine anywhere in the Western world that would be capable of responding with such prodigious speed, imagination and communal determination to such a problem. Although the committee told us that they hoped that, since Tongling had recently been declared an open city to visitors for the first time, the dolphins and the semi-nature reserve might bring tourists and tourist money to the area, it was very clear that this was not the primary impulse.

At the end they said, 'The residents in the area gain some profit - that's natural - but we have more profound plans, that is to protect the dolphin as a species, not to let it become extinct in our generation. Its protection is our duty. As we know that only two hundred pieces of this animal survive it may go extinct if we don't take measures to prevent it, and if that happens we will feel guilty for our descendants and later generations.'

We left the room feeling, for the first time in China, uplifted. It seemed that, for all the stilted and awkward formality of the meeting, we had had our first and only real glimpse of the Chinese mind. They took it as their natural duty to protect this animal, both for its own sake and for that of the future world.
An excerpt from the transcript of the Darkstream.

The main reason that the Chinese commissioners gave for these huge efforts that they were putting forth to try to save this animal was because they felt that a failure to do so, a failure to preserve the animal, was going to shame them in both the eyes of their ancestors and their descendants. You know, they viewed themselves as being part of this great chain of family, this chain of tribe and nation that had a responsibility for the land and the animals in their area, and it really struck me because this is exactly what the Fake Opposition like Ben Shapiro, like Jordan Peterson, stand against. You know, when Jordan Peterson is telling you that you have no right to take pride in the accomplishments of your ancestors, what he's also telling you is that you have no responsibility whatsoever to your children and your descendants.

You know I've said repeatedly that the philosophy Jordan Peterson is pushing is an evil one, and it is, and one aspect of that evil, one way that we know that it is wrong, is that he and Shapiro and all these other Fake Opposition members are saying "oh all that matters is the individual, all that matters is you, you should only pay attention to your own needs, your own standards, you've no right to take pride in your legacy, you have no responsibility to instill those traditions and values into your children." After all, if you have no responsibility to carry on the work of your parents, if you have no right to take pride in the legacy and the achievement of your parents, then neither do your children have any right or responsibility to do so with regards to you! I mean this is a very obvious transitive principle of logic at work, and so I think that it's so important to understand that when conservatives are coming out against identity politics, you need to understand that they are simultaneously coming out against family values, tribal values, and national values.

You know they don't want to admit that they're doing this, but that's exactly what they're doing, and it's also connected to the advice of people like Ben Shapiro to go and chase the young. He's saying, "well the Republicans need to change their policies, they need to embrace things like gay marriage and they need to embrace things like abortion and whatever else it is that the young are okay with," but that's profoundly stupid because the young have no experience. The young don't understand why the traditions existed in the first place and they don't understand why the traditions are necessary to provide the very society and culture that they enjoy today.

And of course because these people do not want to preserve the West, you know the people who think that, Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson and the Weinsteins and all these other fake opposition folks, you know, the Sam Harrises, whatever, they don't want to preserve the West, they do not want to preserve Western civilization. They're not Christian, they're either neutral on Christianity or they're anti-Christian, they don't want to preserve the European nations - to the contrast they want to replace the European nations - and so the more that you understand this, the more you realize how evil these people are, how evil their objectives are.

Those who have accomplished something as individuals feel no need to be proud of their race.
- Jordan Peterson

Real cultural appropriation -- that's when someone is proud of his culture despite having done nothing to support it, extend it or transform it: a message to the far right.
- Jordan Peterson

You shouldn't be "proud" of your culture: you should be honored by the privilege of partaking in it, and grateful for its existence, despite your inadequacy. That is not at all the same thing.
- Jordan Peterson

Q: What's the goal of the radical right? A: Unearned identity with the glories of the past.
- Jordan Peterson

Now the right-wing identitarians have their panties in a knot about what I've said about the pathology of racial pride.... Demonstrating (as if it is necessary) that the mirror reflection of malevolence is also.... malevolence. 
- Jordan Peterson

Jordan Peterson is a filthy liar - an absolutely shameless liar - and what passes for his "wisdom" doesn't even rise to the level of that demonstrated by atheist Chinese communists. Most of the men and women of accomplishment I have known are proud of their race, proud of their nation, proud of their state, and proud of their tribe. Indeed, they often appeal to that pride in order to inspire their children and grandchildren to behave in a manner that is worthy of their race, nation, state, and tribe.

A man has more than a right, he has a responsibility to be proud of his race just as he should be proud of his military unit, his alma mater, or his soccer club, even before he has managed to meaningfully contribute to it or not. Indeed, why would a member of any group be moved to support or extend or contribute to it if one did not feel a sense of pride in belonging to it? These are the petty words of a very small man who has never worn a uniform of any kind, who has never walked into a stadium with the eyes of thousands of spectators upon him, knowing full well that he was not there to represent himself, but rather, all of those whom the colors he was wearing represented.

What this man is teaching a generation of rootless young men is absolute anathema to the core values that were instilled in me by my grandfather, the bravest man I ever knew, a man hailed as "the Marine's Marine" by the Commandant of the USMC himself.

If you still don't believe that Jordan Peterson is a sick, evil, and dishonest individual pushing an evil philosophy on the unsuspecting and the unsophisticated, remember, this is a man who claimed that his cousin is the most beautiful woman he has ever seen and dreamed about her being killed and cannibalized. Repeatedly.

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89 Comments:

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) May 11, 2018 8:35 AM  

well, yes.

but that's the same ( one of many, actually ) Lie that's been pushed at me my entire life.

Jordan is a bit more popular than the norm. but other than that, how is he any different from the bimbo who taught me in kindergarten?

Blogger George May 11, 2018 8:35 AM  

Peterson's philosophy is the exact opposite of : "The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.”

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 11, 2018 8:41 AM  

I suppose that clown has nothing to say about left wing identitarians?

Blogger VD May 11, 2018 8:47 AM  

Peterson's philosophy is the exact opposite of : "The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit.”

Exactly. The more I have come to understand this charlatan, the more I have come to openly despise him and everything for which he stands.

I wish it were possible for my grandfather to debate him. Peterson would kill himself in shame afterwards. He should go to Arlington Cemetery, then lecture the descendants of the men buried there that they are feeling "unearned identity with the glories of the past."

I wish those who claim I envy the man could read my mind and feel my emotions for just 10 seconds. The depths of my contempt would astonish them. I don't envy pieces of dog shit.

Blogger select star May 11, 2018 8:55 AM  

But didn't Peterson cry? And Obozo and women cry too? So they must be good, right? Hell the character Thanos cried, so come on they can't be all that bad. Where's your feelz Alt-Right? /s

Blogger SDaly May 11, 2018 9:00 AM  

This is the same virus found in the phrase "the accident of birth." There is no accident of birth. If my grandparents, parents, etc. took actions that gave me some advantage, that wasn't an accident. The culture and educational system are trying to make kids feel guilty (and resentful of their parents), rather than grateful and proud of the sacrifices their parents made and the world they built for them.

Blogger tz May 11, 2018 9:02 AM  

Culture and Tradition is like living in a house you didn't design nor build. It is notable that blacks often ignore or even trash the houses they rent in. Whites improve them, take care of them.

What Peterson and Shapiro are saying is that your newly modeled man-cave is all that matters, even if the rest of the house burns down because you only had something to do with the man-cave.

Chesterton is the strong antidote to this individualistic poison (it is also strong on all sides of the libertarians). "Tradition is the democracy of the dead". "If you see a fence on land you purchased, find out why it is there before you tear it down".

One of the more ironic things about Benji is he is preaching tolerance while AntiFa is trying to shut down his speeches and attack those who would attend them, not unlike if it was Richard Spencer. Well, both are fake...

Blogger Nathan Bissonette May 11, 2018 9:03 AM  

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Blogger tz May 11, 2018 9:09 AM  

@4 - that is the essence of why we still have the Confederate monuments. The South holds onto its traditions. The North is spotty - some do trace back, others don't.

And that is the difficulty with immigration and assimilation, you have to adopt a tradition, history, even ancestry that is not yours naturally. The country has to adopt you and you the country - I use adopt in the sense of a couple adopting a baby.

And the problem with Civic Nationalism. Nationalism by nature must run very deep, into the very soul of the person. To the point they will fight for the nation, the new blood from the transplanted marrow. That isn't assenting to some civic creed. There is a reason Jesus didn't say "assent to this", but shed his precious blood. We don't have new opinions, but become new creatures.

Blogger Dangeresque May 11, 2018 9:24 AM  

"Q: What's the goal of the radical right? A: Unearned identity with the glories of the past."

Aaaaand... He's officially dead to me. Heading over to Audible to return his stupid book now.

Blogger Stilicho May 11, 2018 9:24 AM  

"For how can man die better, than facing fearful odd, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his gods..."

Those who have no appreciation of whence they came, have no concept of where they are going.

Blogger S'mon May 11, 2018 9:28 AM  

Exactly right SDaly. Liberals believe our disembodied souls inhabit our corporeal bodies by chance - the fantasy of Rawls, derived from Descartes - when in fact we are the results of countless ancestors.

Blogger select star May 11, 2018 9:30 AM  

Those who have accomplished something as individuals feel no need to be proud of their race.
- said the typical cosmopolitan globullist

Blogger S'mon May 11, 2018 9:36 AM  

Re Peterson specifically, I am not convinced he has a clearly thought through left liberal Rawlsian individualist stance. He seems more about virtue signalling against the traditionalists of the Alt Right even when it makes his position incoherent. Eg he implies that if you DO contribute to furthering the glories of your ancestors then you DO have a right to take pride in them. I think traditionalists would agree that someone who is a parasite on ancestral achievement has no right to pride because they have broken faith with their ancestors and neglected their duty to preserve. I don't think Peterson is a true radical individualist - but he wants to keep cosy with them.

Blogger Stilicho May 11, 2018 9:37 AM  

Peterson is selling this bullshit to people who've been indoctrinated by the leftist establishment all of their lives to feel guilty for the actions of their ancestors, tribe, and nation. Peterson (hello fellow whit people!) offers an alternative to those whose simply don't buy the official white-guilt/white privilege Narrative, but it's an alternative designed to divorce them from their roots, their pride, their culture, traditions, ancestors, and nation just as surely as the official hate whitey Narrative. Indeed, Jordan is just selling Narrative 2.1 for those who didn't buy Narrative 2.0.

Anonymous Anonymous May 11, 2018 9:38 AM  

To see only yourself; disconnected from past, present and future is at best loneliness. But it is also the foundation of sociopathy.

Don't go there.

--ZhukovG

Blogger Antony May 11, 2018 9:40 AM  

As regards the Jordan Peterson quotes at the end - excuse me for stating the glaringly obvious, but JP is using a straw man tactic of claiming that alt-righters/identitarians ONLY want to bathe in the past achievements of their ancestors every nationalist I've ever read BOTH values the knowledge and work of the past, AND wants to work for the future. JP is just trying to paint nationalists as a bunch of lazy drunken neo-nazi skinhead types.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 11, 2018 9:43 AM  

What the fuck

Blogger SDaly May 11, 2018 9:44 AM  

S'mon - The funny thing is, I actually convinced a liberal of the stupidity of the "accident of birth" position by using his atheism against him. I knew he didn't believe in souls, so I said "What, you think there's an essence of your being -- let's say a "soul" -- that was waiting in line to enter whatever new baby was conceived when your soul reached the front? That your soul could just have likely ended up in the body of a Afghani woman?"

Blogger pnq8787 May 11, 2018 9:46 AM  

Individualism and globalization (and the evils that go with it) are co-dependent. They are flipsides of the same shekel. This is something ideologues such as Stefan Molyneux either do not understand or are unwilling to admit. They are too invested in their ideology.

Blogger Hammerli280 May 11, 2018 9:53 AM  

Tradition and pride - pride in nation, pride in service, pride in ship or unit - are a sine qua non for maintaining a civil society. Men will do things for pride and honor that they will NOT do for any amount of money.

Blogger Jack Ward May 11, 2018 9:57 AM  

Vox said: ' I don't envy pieces of dog shit.'

Yes. I was at the blog of Michael Z. Williamson a few days ago. Apparently there was some non-entity that had been assigned to one of those group tables at a DragonCon with him I believe. This worthy Had chose to contact Williamson, Twitter, FB, whichever and tried to equate his worthless life to Williamson's as a writer. MZW then spent a number of pages literally destroying this person. It was one of the most through pieces of destruction I have ever read. Reminds me of what Vox is doing to JP. That Williamson is a successful writer is without question. He should have been a super Ilk but for a low opinion of Vox and company. Everything else about him is rock solid. Military Veteran of years, firearms expert, husband of a multi-deployed vet, father. His bio is worth the time to read if nothing else. His destruction of a piece of dog shit is classic and definitely worth the time. It's ashamed the man is not of this band of brothers.

Blogger Longtime Lurker May 11, 2018 9:58 AM  

The Call: How can you be proud of your culture if you've done nothing to support it?

The Response: How can you support your culture if you're not proud of it?

Blogger electricsheeple May 11, 2018 9:59 AM  

My mind is still blown upon learning that Faith Goldy was the "interviewee" in the Daily Stormer interview. (I never listened to it). Vox bringing it to my attention in the Darkstream was the first I heard.

Having heard that, I went back to Jordan Peterson's explanation about why he kicked Faith Goldy off of a panel again. Here it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8zLcMGCedA&t=246s


The way he explains it in the link above, it sounds like Faith was "interviewer." Just a miscommunication, right?

But then he explains it again in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmab5olDcQs


AGAIN, upon listening to his explanation, you would think Faith was in the role of interviewer.


Once, you can say its a miscommunication. Twice, he's being dishonest in the way he characterized what happened. To people not familiar with the situation, you would think that Faith had a Stormer on as a guest and just asked them softball questions.

This is not at all what happened.

There's a HUGE difference in being a guest and being an interviewer.

JP is trying to mislead the viewers into believing that Faith was the interviewer so that he comes off as less of a hypocrite.

The truth is, he is a liar and a hypocrite.

Anonymous Anonymous May 11, 2018 10:02 AM  

Jordan Peterson is pushing this Militant Individualism because he himself has never been part of a team, and what he's doing now isn't for anyone but himself. He's not doing this for the betterment of everyone, hes doing it for the betterment of himself and himself alone.

Blogger OGRE May 11, 2018 10:07 AM  

pnq8787 wrote:Individualism and globalization (and the evils that go with it) are co-dependent. They are flipsides of the same shekel.

Exactly right. Humans naturally look outside ourselves for connection and meaning and belonging; we are designed to seek union, primarily union with God but also with spouse, family, church and tribe. If there is no 'tribe' to which one can identify then the only source of unity is with the entirety of collective humanity. These attacks on national, ethnic, and ancestral identity are also aligned with the attack on marriage and family for the same reason (even if not always coming from the same sources). Its all a form of quasi-religious Humanism.

Blogger Wanderer May 11, 2018 10:09 AM  

The first radical individualist was Satan. As a supposed Christian, Peterson ought to know that pride on the individual level is still not acceptable. God is supposed to get all the glory. All of your individual achievements are because of God, not you.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 11, 2018 10:28 AM  

All statues must be demolished every generation so that none should feel undue pride in their presence. You didn't build that.

Every man should build a clay statue of himself, to be kept inside until his death, and then left out in the rain.

His family can stand under umbrellas watching it disintegrate chanting "We honor you!"

Blogger Quinten Quartermain May 11, 2018 10:35 AM  

Give 'em hell Vox!

Blogger michaeloh59 May 11, 2018 10:47 AM  

Wow! I didn't pay too much attention to Peterson or Vox's remarks about him till now. Peterson does not seem to get that people are what they believe about their ancestors, and if you don't teach your kids what they are, then the Anti-white Establishment will most happily do it for you. The result is a vast ocean of desensitized citizens who don't notice anti-white racism any more than a fish notices the water. Peterson advises us to willfully concede the narrative to our enemies. It's almost as if he's rooting for the other side:)

Blogger Stilicho May 11, 2018 10:47 AM  

Kipling:

The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk--
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control--
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.

This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf--
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine

Blogger Dirk Manly May 11, 2018 10:47 AM  

@8

"If my ancestors don't matter, if I have no obligation to them, then why should I pay Social Security taxes to support their retirement? This way lies societal collapse."

Social Security needs to be abolished for the simple reason that it (government run/funded pension system) is one of the planks of the insane, anti-humanity ravings found in the Communist Manifesto.

The purpose of Social Security is *not* to help old people -- the purpose of Social Security is to give the government an excuse to take (and control) even more of your money.

It was sold to the people as a system which would be converted to an equity-based (i.e. corporate stock shares) system within 25 years.

So, as usual, the proponents of some leftist policy... lied.

Anonymous Anonymous May 11, 2018 10:49 AM  

The effort to atomize us continues apace.

Blogger CM May 11, 2018 10:51 AM  

The more I read of this individualism, the more I detest the Enlightenment.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 11, 2018 10:52 AM  

I don’t pretend to know about the propriety of pride in my race or culture but my strongest response is gratitude for my inheritance.

That leads me to protect and perpetuate it so I guess jordy and benny are shit out of luck.

Blogger wreckage May 11, 2018 11:00 AM  

So I guess every child's deep yearning for their parents to be proud of them is some sort of Nazism too?

Bloody hell. What kind of man believes that it is evil to be proud of the achievements of his own kin, be they family or nation?

Blogger Nate73 May 11, 2018 11:03 AM  

This is a dark place to go down with that dream, but Roosh V posited in a video that some extreme betas (gammas) reach a certain level of experience and understanding where they stop trying to form relationships with women altogether and instead try to torment and mock them as some kind of revenge. (The video was about a youtuber that drove 30 hours just to humiliate some other female youtuber who insulted him.) I wonder if Peterson's dream represents a greater extreme of cruelty and jealousy, to the extent of being capable of murder?

Blogger S'mon May 11, 2018 11:09 AM  

Yes, the typical modern left liberal worships science yet also has a Human Rights doctrine that depends on the disembodied soul. Descartes and Darwin are unhappy bedfellows.

Blogger Brett baker May 11, 2018 11:20 AM  

Only if they're "toxic"./s

Blogger Dave May 11, 2018 11:25 AM  

As a supposed Christian, Peterson ought to know that pride on the individual level is still not acceptable.

Peterson is not a Christian, supposed or otherwise.

Blogger Cecil Henry May 11, 2018 11:25 AM  

Peterson is a fool or a liar:

Its not 'unearned identity with the glories of the past'.

That's not on the minds of anyone.

Its to build on the excellence they envisioned, and carry it higher for ourselves.


Almost the complete opposite of what Peterson imagines. The right can fail that excellence, and knows it full well. NO fake glories are envision.

But real resentment and envy do emanate from you Jordan. Its more despicable every time I hear it.

Blogger Ariadne Umbrella May 11, 2018 11:41 AM  

Again, Vox, thank you.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 11, 2018 11:48 AM  

Powerful post. Peterson initially struck me as a charlatan but I hadn't expected that he would be thoroughly rotten to his core. He may not understand what he's doing, but that doesn't matter; he's telling these lies because betraying his own kind makes him feel good.

Blogger Eze Garcés May 11, 2018 11:50 AM  

Great post.
I've seen the IDW website and it's designed to appeal people who read Takimag or Return Of Kings.There are like 20 or 30 people writting For the site.I know who are Shapiro, Harris,Peterson,Hoffman,Paglia and the guy of the Google memo,but I can't identify who are the others.Vox,can you red-pill us about those other individuals?

Blogger RobertT May 11, 2018 11:54 AM  

Canada's Obama?

Blogger Peter Gent May 11, 2018 11:59 AM  

SDaly wrote:This is the same virus found in the phrase "the accident of birth." There is no accident of birth. If my grandparents, parents, etc. took actions that gave me some advantage, that wasn't an accident. The culture and educational system are trying to make kids feel guilty (and resentful of their parents), rather than grateful and proud of the sacrifices their parents made and the world they built for them.

Significant insight and one I had never thought of, but one that I will ponder in the days to come.

Blogger Robert Divinity May 11, 2018 12:02 PM  

This is the most compelling thing I've read from you. I was at best vaguely aware of Jordan Peterson before you started to analyze the man. Some people on the Right have a propensity to seek out gurus, possibly because the popular culture marginalizes anyone opposed to Cultural Marxism and certainly offers no such figures to those dissenters who for whatever reason need validation. These default gurus almost always are charlatans. I assumed this to be the case with Peterson, but you have presented an ironclad argument he is more than a huckster; in fact, Peterson is a malevolent figure since he encourages vulnerable young men to trash their history and heritage and identity.

Thank you.

Blogger Durandel May 11, 2018 12:05 PM  

Fantastic post Vox. This needs to spread. More on the right need a thoughtful and emotional explanation of why they need to know who and where they came from, why and what they owe their ancestors, and who lied to them to get them to abandon the past in order to be driftless, effete, consumerist cogs.

Again, would be interesting to see Mr. Weight address this idea presented here.

Blogger Peter Gent May 11, 2018 12:07 PM  

If my ancestors don't matter then:
1. Why should I listen to anyone supporting reparations?
2. Did my DNA drop out of the sky?
3. Does that obviate the biblical law of generations?
4. Why do I have a last name?
5. Does that mean all laws of inheritance are null and void?
6. Then I the concept of family begins to lose all meaning...

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 11, 2018 12:10 PM  

I was an arch libertarian once and left because of this rather sick attachment to individualism.

Blogger Eric Medvich May 11, 2018 12:13 PM  

This is crap. What if your parents were shitty? Should i retain and be proud of their shitty "traditions" What if you aren't 100% one race? Should I have pride in both or hate the one and love the other? What if you were an individual competitor (such as wrestling, fighting, etc...), then the only person who you can have pride in is you and the people in the rhetorical crowd are there to watch you, not some imaginary team. Jordan Peterson is an obvious shill, a high functioning gamma at best. He happens to be lefty, but since he is from Canada he comes off as Right. Yet it doesn't change that this monolithic argument is nonsense. Reference John 18:36.

Blogger The Kurgan May 11, 2018 12:19 PM  

VD
Your passage here reminded me of something GK Chesterton wrote about Catholics and how their “tribe” is not limited to the living, because they pray for and ask to be prayed for by their dead.
(Not wanting to start a Catholic flame war, just saying that the concept of the ancestors is a valid one in many cultures for a good reason)

Blogger VD May 11, 2018 12:34 PM  

This is crap. What if your parents were shitty? Should i retain and be proud of their shitty "traditions" What if you aren't 100% one race? Should I have pride in both or hate the one and love the other? What if you were an individual competitor (such as wrestling, fighting, etc...), then the only person who you can have pride in is you and the people in the rhetorical crowd are there to watch you, not some imaginary team.

No, it's not crap. If you aren't born into a team, then you have to choose one and earn your place.

As for me, I'm proud of being descended from American revolutionaries on one side and Mexican revolutionaries on the other. But I chose my side. That doesn't mean I hate those family members on the other side.

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 11, 2018 12:53 PM  

I am also half and half, right down the middle. The only difference is everyone on one side of my family is dead, except for a third cousin who was marched out of High Times in NYC in handcuffs.

So founding stock it is.

Blogger Starboard May 11, 2018 12:56 PM  

31. Stilicho, I see your Kipling and raise you another Kipling:

THE CHILDREN'S SONG
Land of our Birth, we pledge to thee
Our love and toil in the years to be;
When we are grown and take our place
As men and women with our race.

Father in Heaven who lovest all,
Oh, help Thy children when they call;
That they may build from age to age
An undefiled heritage.

Teach us to bear the yoke in youth,
With steadfastness and careful truth;
That, in our time, Thy Grace may give
The Truth whereby the Nations live.

Teach us to rule ourselves alway,
Controlled and cleanly night and day;
That we may bring, if need arise,
No maimed or worthless sacrifice.

Teach us to look in all our ends
On Thee for judge, and not our friends;
That we, with Thee, may walk uncowed
By fear or favour of the crowd.

Teach us the Strength that cannot seek,
By deed or thought, to hurt the weak;
That, under Thee, we may possess
Man's strength to comfort man's distress.

Teach us Delight in simple things,
And Mirth that has no bitter springs;
Forgiveness free of evil done,
And Love to all men 'neath the sun!

Land of our Birth, our faith, our pride,
For whose dear sake our fathers died;
Oh, Motherland, we pledge to thee
Head, heart and hand through the years to be!

Rudyard Kipling

Blogger wreckage May 11, 2018 12:59 PM  

Peterson's nightmare represents the individual consuming the concept of family. Individualism and consumerism destroying and eating what is beautiful. There ya go Jordan, no charge for the first consultation.

Blogger Starboard May 11, 2018 1:09 PM  

51. Eric "What if you were an individual competitor (such as wrestling, fighting, etc...), then the only person who you can have pride in is you and the people in the rhetorical crowd are there to watch you, not some imaginary team."

Most individual sports award points to the team based on individual results. I know high school sports do at the very least. An individual is motivated to do well not only for themselves, but also for the team. They can also have pride in their teammeates because they are the ones sparring with each other. Parents there to cheer their own child also cheer on his teammates because they are a team. Individual sports are only partly individual.

Blogger Garuna May 11, 2018 1:56 PM  

Peterson said he was proud of his son's accomplishments. Why? It's not his own accomplishments. What unearned gloating!

Peterson fans were so proud of him when he owned Cathy Newman. They will deny it. But that is what it was. "One of us beat one of them".

This is also why they are so rattled when Vox dismantles Peterson's arguments. Because they have emotionally fused their identity and pride with Peterson. When Vox attacks Peterson, he is also attacking their identity and pride.

Peterson and his fans are just as guilty as anyone else when it comes to belonging to a team and feeling pride in the achievements of your teammates. But they pretend to be above it all.

Why do they do this? Because they are Cuckservative 2.0, they want to tell the liberals "I'm one of the good ones. I'm not one of the bad ones like those identitarians."

This whole "don't feel proud of your team" argument is only directed at the Right to virtue signal. Can you ever imagine Peterson saying the same thing to a group of blacks. "Why do you feel proud of Obama for becoming president? You are all malevolent!" Or can you imagine him saying this to feminists who want a female President?

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Best case scenario is that Peterson is a dishonest, virtue signaling rat. The worst case scenario is that Peterson actually believes that it is a good thing to be rootless.

Blogger Garuna May 11, 2018 2:00 PM  

This is crap. What if your parents were shitty? Should i retain and be proud of their shitty "traditions" What if you aren't 100% one race? Should I have pride in both or hate the one and love the other? What if you were an individual competitor (such as wrestling, fighting, etc...), then the only person who you can have pride in is you and the people in the rhetorical crowd are there to watch you, not some imaginary team. Jordan Peterson is an obvious shill, a high functioning gamma at best. He happens to be lefty, but since he is from Canada he comes off as Right. Yet it doesn't change that this monolithic argument is nonsense. Reference John 18:36.

A sense of belonging to a family or community or nation should not need to be explained. It is simply felt. If you don't feel it, it is only because you are rootless filth.

Instead of trying to talk down to us, you should be ashamed of your rootlessness. Rootlessness is a defect. Rootlessness is unfit for survival. As is evident from the fact that countries filled with rootless individualists are being replaced by foreign populations who do feel a sense of group identity and pride.

Blogger Starboard May 11, 2018 2:02 PM  

53. VD No, it's not crap. If you aren't born into a team, then you have to choose one and earn your place.

Ruth's devotion to her mother-in-law after the death of their husbands, even though it meant difficult travel and probably starvation, is a good example of this:

Ruth 1:16 But Ruth said, “Do not urge me to leave you or to return from following you. For where you go I will go, and where you lodge I will lodge. Your people shall be my people, and your God my God. 17 Where you die I will die, and there will I be buried. May the Lord do so to me and more also if anything but death parts me from you.”

Blogger Unknown May 11, 2018 2:03 PM  

Brilliant!

Blogger JohnofAustria May 11, 2018 2:04 PM  

A man who feels no sense of belonging to something greater than himself because of his personal success sounds like an monstrous sociopath.

Blogger Garuna May 11, 2018 2:13 PM  

As is evident from the fact that countries filled with rootless individualists are being replaced by foreign populations who do feel a sense of group identity and pride.

This reminds me...
1) Peterson says that truth is dictated by whether it helps your species survive.

2) Peterson says that long-held traditions must be good based on survival of the fittest-type thinking. If the traditions were ineffective, then the civilization following them would fail. But if traditions were effective, then the civilizations following them would flourish.

3) Myths and ideas that have survived to this day must be good because people found value in them and passed them on.

These arguments could be applied to group identity & pride. They are ancient concepts that have been passed down to this day. And we see that people who practice group identity & pride flourish. Whereas rootless individualists get conquered by immigration and identity politics.

Therefore group identity is truth. Group pride is truth. Identity politics is truth.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 11, 2018 2:17 PM  

@44 Eze Garcés

"Great post.
I've seen the IDW website and it's designed to appeal people who read Takimag or Return Of Kings.There are like 20 or 30 people writting For the site.I know who are Shapiro, Harris,Peterson,Hoffman,Paglia and the guy of the Google memo,but I can't identify who are the others.Vox,can you red-pill us about those other individuals?"

Eze, do you believe that Vox has special powers to use Google and a web-browser which are unavailable to you?

If you think this should be done, then the first person to be working on the task should be YOU.

Nobody is more annoying than the person who says, "There's something I want done, and rather than doing it myself, I want YOU to do it for me."

Blogger Dirk Manly May 11, 2018 2:21 PM  

@49

"1. Why should I listen to anyone supporting reparations?
2. Did my DNA drop out of the sky?
3. Does that obviate the biblical law of generations?
4. Why do I have a last name?
5. Does that mean all laws of inheritance are null and void?
6. Then I the concept of family begins to lose all meaning..."


Well, other than the point on Reparations, all of the other (false) conclusions which follow from this faulty premise are exactly what the Left wants.

They'll still push for reparations because, being white, you are automatically racist, and so you should be paying anyways -- even if slavery never existed.

Blogger SmokeyJoe May 11, 2018 2:29 PM  

51 Eric Medvich-Reference John 18:36

John 18:36 "Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence."

Christ Jesus is telling Pilate that His kingdom is not of this present world age. At the end of this age, on His second advent, the start of the next age, all of Christ's servants will be returning with Him and all evil will be put down and everything sorted.

Alot of hard work, before us and for us. We should be proud of that work and proud we're called on to further that work. Pick a team.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 11, 2018 2:29 PM  

@51

"This is crap. What if your parents were shitty?"

Most people's parents are shitty as parents, as far as their children are concerned. So what? Your ancestors include all before them.



"Should i retain and be proud of their shitty "traditions"[?]"


"What if you aren't 100% one race?"

This is one of the reasons why interracial marriage is ill-advised. The other is that inter-racial children are rarely accepted by members of either parent's race. Look in the black community -- "dark skinned" blacks harbor a lot of resentment towards "light skinned" blacks (i.e. mulattoes).


"Should I have pride in both or hate the one and love the other? What if you were an individual competitor (such as wrestling, fighting, etc...), then the only person who you can have pride in is you and the people in the rhetorical crowd are there to watch you, not some imaginary team. Jordan Peterson is an obvious shill, a high functioning gamma at best. He happens to be lefty, but since he is from Canada he comes off as Right. Yet it doesn't change that this
monolithic argument is nonsense."

So you're now retreating the the position you started at in the beginning of your post?


"Reference John 18:36"

Puzzling as to why you refer to this particular verse in this post.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 11, 2018 2:34 PM  

Garuna wrote:1) Peterson says that truth is dictated by whether it helps your species survive.
odd isn't it, that survival of the individual and the nuclear family, and the species all a valid goals, but no layers in between, like extended family, sept, clan, tribe, nation.

One presumes that is because you will never convince normal people to abandon their children (although abandoning your parents seems okay), and "survival of the species" is broad and nebulous enough to mean "go along with the Globalist project".

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 11, 2018 2:41 PM  

With "The Intellectual Dark Web" moniker apparently failing to impress anyone, Jordan Peterson's cadre is now being called "The Coalition for Cultural Freedom" in a coordinated propaganda campaign to lend credibility to their lies.

Excerpt: The "fundamental criteria for evaluating all social philosophies today," their manifesto read, are "whether it permits the thinker and the artist to function independently of political, religious, or racial dogmas."

It's cultural freedom without the culture!

Anonymous Anonymous May 11, 2018 2:42 PM  

and it's also connected to the advice of people like Ben Shapiro to go and chase the young

There is more than one meaning to (((littlest chickenhawk)))

Jordan is a bit more popular than the norm. but other than that, how is he any different from the bimbo who taught me in kindergarten?

She didn't snort cocaine off of any little boys

I wish it were possible for my grandfather to debate him. Peterson would kill himself in shame afterwards

Peterson would have forgotten the loss by the next day.

But didn't Peterson cry? I felt bad so I took the pic with a ruler in it that caused him to cry out of my GRINDR profile

This is the same virus found in the phrase "the accident of birth." There is no accident of birth

No accident if both my parents were black I would be able to resist sleeping sickness without Whitey's meds & the same genes increase risk of kidney failure 4x. IQ is biologically expensive nerve tissue needs 20x the energy at rest that muscle tissue needs.

It is notable that blacks often ignore or even trash the houses they rent in. Whites improve them, take care of them

Don't get me started on jew landlords or house flippers

the typical modern left liberal worships science yet also has a Human Rights doctrine that depends on the disembodied soul

Now that DNA evidence backs racial reality, leftists don't love science as much https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/22/eugenics-racism-mainstream-science

Anonymous Anonymous May 11, 2018 2:53 PM  

One presumes that is because you will never convince normal people to abandon their children

If a baby is dropped off in one of the designated abandonment areas, staff are expected to chase them down to get a little bit of medical history. "Seriously do you really want a 6'+ white guy in a tropical fish scrub top chasing a woman down the street in this inner city neighborhood?"

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 11, 2018 2:57 PM  

@71 At one of the designated QuikTrips you can get a fresh sandwich and hot coffee while you abandon your child. Talk about convenience!

Blogger SDaly May 11, 2018 3:03 PM  

Ask a suburban, pussy-hat wearing, open-boarders supporting liberal mom if babies should be reassigned to other families randomly at birth (e.g., all babies born each week will be randomly distributed the women who gave birth). When they say no, ask them, why not.

Blogger kurt9 May 11, 2018 3:05 PM  

This post makes clear the philosophical gap between Vox and Jordan is that of group identity. This seems to me a mere matter of temperament. Some people, like Vox, feel a need for group identity. Others, such as Jordan, do not. Perhaps Vox's worldview is useful to those in the former category where as Jordan's worldview is useful to those in the later category. It seems to me we could just leave it at that.

Anonymous Anonymous May 11, 2018 3:16 PM  

On the topic of fake right: The National Review wants to surrender on transgerism.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/transgenderism-compromise-necessary-to-preserve-social-order/

Blogger tublecane May 11, 2018 3:20 PM  

"Who controls the past controls the future."

It's clear why an SJW would like to cut people off from the past. Or at least the people whose civilization they're trying to destroy. Because people with no past are less resistant to what the SJWs take as being progress.

Incongruously, they find it useful to encourage rootedness among alien races who happen to be in the West. But that's pragmatic hypocrisy.

These alien groups themselves have an interest in Westerners having no identity. Gives them an edge.

It's also clear why the NWO would encourage rootlessness. Because they want us all to be Interchangeable Consumption Units.

But a Jordan Peterson? What's his game, exactly? As with most things about him, I'd say take into account the fact that he's a nutbag. More than most, he can't trust his passions. Feelz lead him to the Dark Place. Therefore, he only trusts conclusions reached by the application of reason perhaps aided by feelz and mystical mumbo-jumbo, but not race-feelz. Or something like that.

I once thought in a similar way about a la carte individualism. That I could cobble together personality by whimsy, as it were. Which could partly have been a reaction to increasingly cultureless U.S. culture.

But that doesn't work. Identity Denial Syndrome just means you're the unconscious tool of your biology and culture (culture having come from biology, of course). Wouldn't it be better to be aware of whence you came, instead of pretending you were born in a cabbage patch?

Take the Nu Atheists (please), who thought they were all about unaided reason. Yet somehow they all came to the same moral conclusions as already-existing Modern Liberalism. Which quite obviously have roots in Christianity.

Anyone who actually built a new moral system from the ground up rationally they'd probably lynch for being a monster. And if Jordan Peterson met Jordan Peterson in therapy, he'd plan on seeing him for years.

Blogger kurt9 May 11, 2018 3:55 PM  

There are different flavors of right politics. Clearly you guys have a different conception of right politics than does Jordan Peterson. However, I think it erroneous to call Jordan Peterson "left". Leftist politics is usually defined as socialist, pro-government, anti-individualist, and anti-free markets. Jordan Peterson clearly believes in individualism, limited government, free-markets, and entrepreneurship. This makes him politically right in my book.

Blogger VD May 11, 2018 4:02 PM  

This post makes clear the philosophical gap between Vox and Jordan is that of group identity. This seems to me a mere matter of temperament.

No, that is only one of the many differences. As for temperament, I'm FAR more of a loner than Peterson has ever been.

Blogger VD May 11, 2018 4:10 PM  

Jordan Peterson clearly believes in individualism, limited government, free-markets, and entrepreneurship. This makes him politically right in my book.

You have no idea what Jordan Peterson believes ideologically. He even describes himself as still having "left of center" views in his books. And he was previously a card-carrying socialist.

Blogger tublecane May 11, 2018 4:31 PM  

@51- You've hit upon something there. Not the crap about the argument being crap, but the point about crappy parents. (And the point about split loyalties, but nevermind that for the moment.)

The Jordan Petersons of the world likely either had crappy families or were crap to their families and blamed it on the families instead of themselves. OR they had relatively pleasant family lives until they had some sort of breakdown and ended up getting perversely "self-reliant."

Peterson references an argument against God from the Brothers Karamazov in one YouTube video or another. The character Ivan is a believer, but he hates God because he considers all the glory of creation not to be worth the suffering of one little girl. Peterson professes to be impressed by this because he knows Dostoyevsky loved God, and supposedly only a great mind could come up with such a convincing argument against his own philosophy.

My point in bringing it up is that many people reject "identity" the same way Ivan rejects God. They have what I consider unrealistic intellectual problem with racial (or ethnic or national or whatever) pride on account of all the bad things members of their group have done in the past.

In order to claim good things from the past, they think, one must also claim the bad. As a Westerner, you are both the U.S. Army liberating camps and S.S. officers torturing prisoners to death. (There's also the idea of unearned credit, but nevermind that for the moment). According to Current Year liberals, obviously the evils of the past way, way, WAY outweigh the good.

How does one love and honor the father who abused them? I don't know. But I do know if you go so far as to reject him, you don't wander through life as a ronin. You must honor and love something, and your duty is to make your own family that will hopefully honor you. SJWs, the NWO, and Jordan Peterson want you to honor things other than the past. But there is value there, nevertheless. Value which it is necessary to preserve if civilization is going to persist.

Along with blame for past crimes and dishonor, libs would have it that you're claiming unearned privilege. That's the implication of "privilege" talk: that it's illegitimate.

But we need people to be privileged. We need people leading communities, if there are going to be communities. To say nothing of civilization as a whole. And there has to be continuity of stewardship Not that no one can rise from nothing, but that's going to be rare compared to people who were bred into responsibility.

Continuity, preservation, and so forth are both necessary and impossible if you shuck responsibility because daddy was mean to you.

This may be going too far afield, but it fits into how civilization works, and how we've forgotten it works. For instance, in the novels of James Gould Cozzens there's a recurring theme of men of responsibility--doctors, lawyers, soldiers, priests, etc.--being stuck in situations where their responsibilities compel them to compromise themselves. Because they didn't create the world, and they don't get to separate the good from the bad and live in the good. The world comes readymade, and they have to deal with it.

For instance, there's a law firm where the senior partner embezzled funds from a trust he supervised in order to bail local businesses out during the depression. Which kept the town afloat. He tried for years to fill the coffers back up without anyone noticing, but passes away before the job is done.

There are two other partners, one on the hook but the other joined the firm after the malfeasance took place. He could tell them to go to hell; none of his burden. But this man consents to continue the fraud and conspire to restore the balance of the trust without anyone knowing. Because he figures his privilege requires he take responsibility for something he's not actually responsible for.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 11, 2018 4:33 PM  

When a neurotic meats a neurotic, comin through the rye..."

Blogger tublecane May 11, 2018 4:34 PM  

@77- He's to the left of me and st least to the center-left of mainstream American politics. This is a Canadian university professor interested in psychology and existentialism we're talking about.

Anonymous Anonymous May 11, 2018 5:33 PM  

No, it's not crap. If you aren't born into a team, then you have to choose one and earn your place

(NOT WHAT ABOUT ME) But what about fat gay nigjews that use food as a weapon?

Escoffier‍ Found your arch nemesis,reminds me of a superhero role playing game that incorporated the Camp Doha Chicken Man AKA the overweight NCO.

"thank God I’m a Jew of color with Civil Rights-era moral suasion and tikkun olam as key ingredients in my food and writing"

https://forward.com/food/380133/im-black-jewish-and-gay-and-food-is-my-weapon-against-bigotry/

Blogger Eric Medvich May 11, 2018 11:33 PM  

Sorry about the delay in response, I had to work all day. a quick caveat before I continue, I have been a reader of this blog since at least 2008. I generally agree with most things said, not all. There were several responses, even one from Mr.Darklord himself, so i will attempt to tie it all in a bow. The reason I said the argument was crap, besides my previous points, is that the general concept presented is full of holes. First roots deserve pride when they have done something worth being proud of. Thus not all traditions are worth adhering to. Second, There seems to be a mindset going around that if only the Right would pull itself up by it's boot straps, and listen to the august advice of the Alt Right that the world would be good. Especially if all those tricksy lefties would get on board or get out of the way. As a Christian I find this opinion to be not only ego based, but idolatrous as well. The assumption being that "We" can make the world right is false and anti Christian. All "We" can do is act right as individuals and share the Gospel with whomever will listen. Christ is the King. It is He that will set up His kingdom. That is clear in scripture. We have to take its for what it says and not what we want it to say. It is not the job of the individual to change the world, only to imitate Christ and to spread the Gospel. If you want to end the Muslim scourge, teach the Gospel. If you want to defend human rights, spread the gospel. I quoted John because Christ makes it clear that Christs followers do not fight because His kingdom is not of this world. The Left is full of false Christs because they all delude themselves into thinking they can fix the world if only they fight hard enough, do enough, try enough. All the meetings in the world wont accomplish this. Only Christ can. Since we aren't God, it is idolatry to put ourselves in His place in this way. Third, if you are rootless, as many in the modern world are, then there is only one vine worth grafting yourself to; Christ, the True Vine. If you must justify your works, fight over how you build more free housing for the homeless. Fight over how many trips there will be to the prisons, or the orphans or the widows. Stop caring if Jordan Peterson is on TV saying stupid shit about pop psychology. Before I get the "but God wants us to defend Christianity or it will disappear", I preemptively present the fact that the original Christians survived the persecution of the most powerful empire to have ever existed on Earth (prolly) for 320 years before it brought all that old bullshit to its knees. All with no revolts , no violent overthrows and no other meetings other than bible study and the Lord's supper. I think God can handle Jordan Peterson and his pet Jew. Christ is Risen, Indeed he is Risen!

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 12, 2018 12:35 AM  

Eric,
No-one cares about your special situation. Fuck right off and learn to think.

Blogger VD May 12, 2018 3:42 AM  

As a Christian I find this opinion to be not only ego based, but idolatrous as well. The assumption being that "We" can make the world right is false and anti Christian.

You're a moron, Eric. The only one saying that the world can be made right is Jordan Peterson.

The Alt-Right is just trying to avoid the Cultural Holoslaughter 3.0.

And the fact that not all traditions are worth adhering to does not mean that none of them are. If you're rootless, then tough luck. That doesn't justify hacking away at the roots of others in envy.

No wonder you're defending Peterson. You're nearly as incoherent as he is.

Blogger rotekz May 12, 2018 9:15 AM  

There is a great article by C B Robertson on Counter Currents that explores Peterson's misrepresentation of the sin of pride. https://www.counter-currents.com/2018/04/the-sin-of-pride/

Blogger kurt9 May 12, 2018 12:19 PM  

This might be a little off topic, but I think it relevant. I just saw the Boston Robotics video of their robots doing back-flips and what not. It reminded me of the general trend we've seen how technology enables the small relative to the large. This is where technology allows small groups to accomplish things that could previously only be done by large corporations and governments in the past. We see in everything from space launch to bio-engineering. Assuming these trends continue (and I see no reason to believe they will stop), does that not suggest that large scale institutions in general are rapidly becoming obsolete?

I understand where you guys are on immigration. Maintaining and extending an advanced technological civilization requires high human capital, and the immigration policy should reflect this reality. However, it seems like much of the alt-right politics in other areas is about fighting "last year's war", particularly with its obsession with large scale social institutions. It seems to me that large scale institutions will be made obsolete by relentless technological innovation.

Blogger kurt9 May 12, 2018 12:26 PM  

Yes, I am well aware of the extensive industrial supply chain that allows for technological innovation. But that supply chain is a vast, decentralized network of a huge number of manufacturers and distributors with considerable redundancy. This suggests a minimal social standard that allows for effective contractual relationships, with any greater social cohesion being superfluous.

I am a strong believer that social and political organization is fundamentally driven by production. If production is accomplished by smaller entities, what does that say for large scale social institutions other than the minimum standard necessary for useful contractual relationships.

There is a book called "The Sovereign Individual" that was published about 20 years ago that discussed many of these issues. It seems that this book was prophetic.

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