Monday, May 14, 2018

Darkstream: Jordan Peterson is a globalist shill

A partial transcript of the Darkstream:

A lot of people have said, "well you know he's doing so much good, you know, he's helping these these poor young men who are assailed by feminism, under pressure from SJWs, and they don't know what to do, they're raised by single mothers, they don't have masculine role models, and what he's doing is really great for them." The problem is that is nonsense! That's absolute nonsense! What he is trying to do is he is trying to neuter them!

Jordan Peterson is not raising young men to defend the West, he is not raising young men to become heroes. He is teaching them that they are the measure of Man, they are the measure of Good and Evil, they set the standards, they do whatever they want. How is that any better than what the SJWs are telling them? The indoctrination that Jordan Peterson is providing through this philosophy of Jordanetics is poisonous. It's like raising a kid on junk food. You can't be surprised if all you feed a kid is junk food; he lives but he grows up to be fat and soft and weak.

People keep saying, "oh well, I like this about him and I like that about him." So what? That's totally irrelevant! The thing is, we now know that he is not only an intellectual fraud, he's not only an intellectual charlatan, but he's also a complete fraud when it comes to his own career. People are saying "oh but he's so popular, and so many people like his videos and it's just this organic  phenomenon." That's a total load of crap! Jordan Peterson is no more a self-made man than Ben Shapiro is.

Jordan Peterson was recruited to help write the UN's Report on Sustainable Development, A New Global Partnership. He was brought in to polish the narrative for a report that put John Podesta on its panel of eminent persons, and this was back in 2012, this was long before Peterson got famous, and so if you look at the timeline you can see that this is somebody who was raised up in order to fulfill a mission. And what that mission was is to attempt to defuse the growing trend towards nationalism.

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Blogger The Kurgan May 14, 2018 11:07 AM  

There are head explosions going on as far as the eye can see. On all fronts.
It is quite a beauty to behold.

Anonymous Anonymous May 14, 2018 11:18 AM  

Here's a good one:

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 14, 2018 11:47 AM  

I'm starting to think that Vox not being to one to register is a suspiciously specific denial.

So, it's one of your relatives or minions, right? /jk

Blogger VD May 14, 2018 11:52 AM  

I probably should have, but no, someone else did it.

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 14, 2018 12:00 PM  

Makes me wonder if that ridiculous law in Canada was just a launching platform.

Blogger FUBARwest May 14, 2018 12:00 PM  

Slightly OT:

I'm extremely curious to hear what PBJ's defenders say now with all of this information out and with the continued involvement with Shapiro.

Blogger Wanderer May 14, 2018 12:11 PM  

FUBARwest wrote:I'm extremely curious to hear what PBJ's defenders say now with all of this information out and with the continued involvement with Shapiro.
Roosh tweeted a link to Vox's post about Jordan being a globalist shill and, judging by the reaction in the twitter comments, the Buckos are in total denial. Mixture of "y-you're just jealous" or "he deserves the benefit of the doubt".

Blogger Miguel May 14, 2018 12:23 PM  

Once one realizes his take on Christianity, its easier to be brought to the light.

Blogger LP999-16 May 14, 2018 12:33 PM  

Excellent daily meme war today as it relates to this; please appear back with Alex Jones to explain this to the people.

Blogger Gary Eden May 14, 2018 12:43 PM  

Was the Newman interview choreographed?

It went horrible for channel 4. So why did they put it up in full on youtube? Why didn't they pull it after it went bad for them and viral? Why wasn't it censored like criticisms of Peterson are?

Compare the interview to the one Milo did with Cathy Newman; she was constantly interrupting Milo. Peterson came out much better.

Or did he? What his body language carefully. Watch for the head nods.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora May 14, 2018 12:51 PM  

Peterson's body language is disgusting with his alien noodle fingers squiggling around constantly.

Blogger artensoll May 14, 2018 12:55 PM  

"alien noodle fingers"

*sigh* beautiful

Blogger mgh May 14, 2018 1:21 PM  

"Makes me wonder if that ridiculous law in Canada was just a launching platform." How much of the left's more ridiculous antics is just cover to keep us distracted from what the globalists are doing?

Blogger Duke Norfolk May 14, 2018 2:25 PM  

Gary Eden wrote:Was the Newman interview choreographed?

It went horrible for channel 4. So why did they put it up in full on youtube? Why didn't they pull it after it went bad for them and viral?

Yep. I kind of wondered about that, and about other similar things that you'd think would be (and could be) squashed by the Cabal. This sure makes me look at these things with fresh eyes.

Blogger tublecane May 14, 2018 2:39 PM  

@10- It didn't look choreographed to me. Yes, journalists and certainly female journalists are the dumb. Peterson's body language I think could be chalked up to the fact that he's uncomfortable stomping on a poor, dumb woman's neck and taking her scalp as a trophy. Which he didn't want to do, anyway.

The suspicious part is why they allowed it to go viral. Not only that, but allowed it to be a Thing in the MSM. They never did that with a Milo interviews, for instance.

Blogger Vaughan Williams May 14, 2018 2:42 PM  

There was a window of time where Jordan Peterson was appealing to young men, giving them hope, lifting them out of nihilism. This is why I follow Vox blog. He is tackling the things I don't have the time or brainpower to address. Jordan Peterson had his day; now it is time for his young followers to move along to the next stage; they won't get there until they "Kill the Buddha" to quote Eric Raymond.

Blogger R Webfoot May 14, 2018 2:43 PM  

"Yep. I kind of wondered about that, and about other similar things that you'd think would be (and could be) squashed by the Cabal. This sure makes me look at these things with fresh eyes."

I'm reminded of what Scott Adams calls "pacing and leading." "Hello fellow right-wingers, I too have been attacked by the radical left. I said I did not wish to use mandated pronouns, and they said it was a violation of basic human rights! And I think it's CRAZY how the radical Left attacks any group who is more successful and attacks the cultural roots. Cultural traditions are there for a reason and they provide an immensely valuable substrate they artlessly destroy at their peril. That's the gods of Sumeria killing their father and living in its corpse and that is Not Good. And also if you identify with your ancestors, and you're white, you're Nazi."

I admit to some curiosity on whether he is doing it on purpose, or whether his handlers simply know him well enough to pull his puppet strings. Either narrative fits though; his university career could well be him A/B testing his narrative to prune it for modern youth.

Blogger tublecane May 14, 2018 2:46 PM  

@14- I'm often puzzled by what they let through, what they make an example of, and what they bury.

For instance, the Bell Curve was Big News in the MSM when it came out. It was in for the Two-Minute Hate treatment, but one wonders why they didn't just ignore it.

99% of the public was never going to care about let alone read a book like that. It could easily have been just another academic hullabaloo. Instead, news of a class system based on I.Q. stratification was spread. Many, many people who would have never heard of the book without the mainstream controversy got at least a taste of its message.

Blogger Nick S May 14, 2018 3:04 PM  

Thanks for digging a little deeper, Vox. Admittedly, I hadn't bothered and just assumed Peterson hadn't yet got around to thoroughly investigating the literalness and historical accuracy of much of the bible. I thought something was a bit off about him, but I figured anyone that gave as much credence to the amazing insights contained in the bible, as he often does (or pretends to do), would eventually come around out of necessity. You saved me some time...again.

Blogger Perkunas May 14, 2018 3:32 PM  

Is it possible that he has evolved and that he has rejected some of his legacy, globalist tendencies?

Blogger The Service May 14, 2018 3:45 PM  


Blogger The Service May 14, 2018 3:55 PM  

Vox: "People are saying "oh but he's so popular, and so many people like his videos and it's just this organic phenomenon."

I said that. It sure seemed so. But this globalist stuff is an incredibly damaging revelation. Perhaps the initial controversy that drove his rise to prominence was somehow engineered.

Arthur Isaac: "Makes me wonder if that ridiculous law in Canada was just a launching platform."

That really does seem possible now.

Blogger McJibblits May 14, 2018 4:24 PM  

I've read 12 Things, and I think that Vox may have JP pegged on the money. I don't know for sure yet. Before reading Vox's takedowns, I was already 100% confident that JP was lying about his motivations, and being disingenuous about his arguments. I would love to know the "why." I think there is a game being played by JP, but I can't seem to pin down exactly what it is. I am still not convinced that he isn't acting as a gateway to the alt-right.

FTR, I don't even consider myself alt-right. I'm not here to argue or hijack the convo here. I appreciate the diggin into JP that you guys are doing over here. The man is very interesting to me. A real fucking enigma.

Blogger VD May 14, 2018 4:32 PM  

Is it possible that he has evolved and that he has rejected some of his legacy, globalist tendencies?

No. He was bragging about it 18 months ago. And it is entirely consistent with his philosophy and his constant attacks on the nationalist Right.

Blogger Playto May 14, 2018 5:00 PM  

Time to bring the new info to light, Vox. Show them how connected to the globalist bigwigs NWO freak Peterson really is. Everyone is censoring this information at the moment. Everyone except you. Keep fighting.

Blogger Playto May 14, 2018 5:07 PM  

If he's as well connected as he is, which he is, they have him locked into the fold with something so he can't inconsequentially run around blowing horns. Usually damning evidence like childporn is used as we've seen with other NWO agents. Not saying Peterson has done any paedophilia stuff but it's possible.

Anonymous Anonymous May 14, 2018 5:10 PM  

Yes, 72 gender jihadis are crazy.

Yes, compelled speech is a step too far.

Yes, metrosexual nihilism is destructive individuality and communally.

Yes, there must be order and patterns of predictability for people to live.

No! You can’t have nationalism or any kind of pride in your heritage (((if you’re white)))

Fuck you, Jordanetics.

Blogger tublecane May 14, 2018 5:39 PM  

@23- "I'm still not convinced he was acting as a gateway to the alt-right"

If he is, it's by accident. Because he explicitly teaches against alt-rightism.

But our intellectual journeys are winding paths. I remember, for instance, the exact route I took to finally reading fascist literature for myself.

For the record, I rejected it and an definitely not alt-retarded. But whereas most of my life I received knowledge about Browns secondhand, eventually I went to the source. It was Martin Amis, novelist son of novelist Kinglsey Amis, who was indirectly to blame. Because I happened to read his review of a book called Iron John. Looking into that book on Amazon led to my discovery of Japanese novelist Mishima. He, in turn, led me to the website Counter-currents. The rest is history.

Imagine if I had become a Nazi. You could conceivably credit Martin Amis, who by the way wrote a Holocaust novel called Time's Arrow. But would it really be fair to say he's a Nazi gateway?

Blogger McJibblits May 14, 2018 5:58 PM  

I guess it depends on how you view a gateway. I just mean it in a practical sense. People that can accept IQ differences between ethnicities would be less likely to let a bunch of third-world savages come over our borders. JP seems to neatly dodge this issue, despite (in his videos at least) making a big deal over IQ differences. I feel like maybe there is some "A B testing" going on here, since it didn't make it into the book. I think you guys are absolutely correct to distrust the message as he writes/speaks it. I just don't know if Vox has the whole picture down yet. But hey, JP is coming after the alt-right on the surface at the minimum, so I completely understand the whole blasting away at the man. It'll be interesting to see how the whole thing plays out over the next year+.

Blogger McJibblits May 14, 2018 6:01 PM  

I'd like to add that I think his game plan is some sort of athiestic, Christian-lite, mythological alt-lite. But I really don't think his philosophical arguments for it are really fleshed out. I kind of get the feeling the media circus over the guy came a little on the early side. Now he's kind of winging it. But I really don't know either, that's just the feeling I get.

Blogger Playto May 14, 2018 6:05 PM  

We helped break the news, Vox. It's spreading now. No one has touched upon the Soros or Balsillie connection yet. No one has touched upon the foreword grooming proof either. Knock it out the park, Dark Lord.

Blogger Playto May 14, 2018 6:45 PM  

He was groomed and set up for his current position. Vox will prove this soon. Peterson is 100% NWO shill puppet.

Blogger Playto May 14, 2018 7:13 PM  

Being a bit of a philosophy nerd myself, I can assure you Peterson has a pleb tier understanding of philosophy. Do a search for "Jay Dyer Jordan Peterson Critiqued". Peterson is a mentally ill sophist and NWO shill. Nothing more.

Blogger Playto May 14, 2018 8:14 PM  

Another article using your OG post as source:

Blogger Avalanche May 14, 2018 9:22 PM  

Over at Unz, I posted an answer to this following comment: ( )

[i]I'm fascinated by the fact that Jordan Peterson has caused Vox Day to to go completely off the rails. I don't get it, honestly. Can't a man have many things to say that you find interesting and worthwhile, and others you disagree with without it causing you to condemn him unreservedly?

This used to bother me about the late Lawrence Auster, whom I considered brilliant. He would condemn someone like Mark Steyn as completely useless because while he opened many people's eyes to the dangers of Muslim immigration, he didn't come out and demand that it be ended. (Subsequently, Steyn more or less has done so.) But if Mark Steyn is performing an enormous service in an important area, why is it necessary to condemn him because he doesn't go quite as far rhetorically as you would? It's not as if Steyn is setting policy, after all. He's expressing opinions that may influence people to question the reigning narrative, and the result of that may change policy.

My answer:
(Off the rails? Not really — and Peterson deserves the scorn and coals being heaped on his head. Sure, Peterson SEEMS as if he's helping young men, but … helping them to what? Nihilism and inaction? Leftism and the end of the West? The loss of connection to their family and nation?
IF, as Peterson insists, "group identity" is horrible, evil, and destructive and should be avoided like burning napalm – why does Peterson ALSO unequivocally support "group identity" for Israel/Jews and his Kwaquituatl (sp?) First Nations tribe?

(From the partial transcript Vox Day posted on his blog): Vox Day, in his Dark Stream (on Periscope) said this — which makes perfect sense to anyone who has parents and has or wishes to have children!
"... You know, I felt pity for him because he's somebody who has clearly known a lot of suffering and tragedy in his life, but you know what, after I read those tweets where he was saying that you have no right to be proud of your culture, you have no right to be proud of your race, you have no right to be proud of your nation, you have no right to be proud of your tribe, you have no right to be proud of your people… you know what? F__k him!

Anyone who is going tell me that I should not take pride in the tradition that my grandfather established for me, for my brothers, and for my children, can go to Hell. I have nothing but utter contempt for that attitude. You know, Petersen goes around saying "oh you should you should create your own standards and define your own truth and do your own thing" and all this kind of crap; that is not something that is going to preserve Western civilization, that is not something that is going to preserve the West's traditions, and I'll tell you something else. Jordan Peterson absolutely lies, because he says the goal of the far right is "to unjustly bathe in the glories of the past."

That is totally false. What we on the right want to do is we want to be worthy of the glories of the past. When we look at the story of Leonidas and the 300 Spartans we want to be inspired by that, we want to be worthy of that. You do not develop courage on your own, you develop courage by seeing the example in others, and especially in others like you, especially in your family members. …"

Go watch Vox Day's 22-min DarkStream this transcript came from; see if it brings you some understanding of WHY Vox Day, and many of his blog readers, castigate Peterson.

Ha. Went to add the link -- and my comment had disappeared! Guess the moderators don't like that.

Blogger Playto May 14, 2018 9:41 PM  

Unz, the conservative-lite rag. So far, it's only really the Voxiverse that has caught onto the absolute load of bullshit and deception known as Jordan Peterson. The others defend him, disregarding the fact he isn't rightwing at all and speaks out against nationalism. Oh, and never mind he's a Soros connected Globalist shill. How do people on the right perform the mental gymnastics required to defend such a detestable freak? He told them to clean their room? Gimme a break. The way I see it, the right's defence of Peterson is the greatest sign of the decline of the right. Pathetic, really.

Blogger McJibblits May 14, 2018 10:00 PM  

I actually have seen the Jay Dyer vid. My buddy turned me into it about a month ago. I'm honestly not well versed in philosophy to follow it to the tee. But you don't need to know a lick of philosophy to tell that JP is being dishonest in his intentions as well as arguments. Just his intonations and facial expressions in his videos is more than enough. He sometimes cracks a little smile when he's evading a question.

Blogger tublecane May 14, 2018 10:02 PM  

@36- Steve Sailer, though a civic nationalist, is very good. His comment section is full of intelligent, "woke" people. But like everywhere on the internet and indeed in life it's full of people who spout off when they don't really know what they're talking about.

Say you have passing familiarity with a figure you believe apt to hypetbolize, and he goes after a man you've seen on YouTube a couple of times acting all polite and avuncular. It's not a stretch to assume the former has gone too far.

To know whether Peterson deserves the treatment, you'd have to know a lot about Peterson. (Or have crackerjack instincts.) Very few do.

Ideally, those who don't should decline to comment. I don't care if they do anyway, but what bugs me is they almost NEVER say, "You know what, I was wrong. I overreacted," when the truth becomes widely recognized.

We're on track for Peterson being a Demonic Lizard Person to be something everybody already knew.

Blogger Lazarus May 14, 2018 10:06 PM  

Gotta see this chart re Peterson connections. Originally from 4chan mentioned on 8chan:

MkUltra at McGill

Blogger Playto May 14, 2018 10:29 PM  

Compiled from my information by another Anon. Vox has all the information. Let's hope he brings the whole thing to light.

Blogger Playto May 14, 2018 10:34 PM  

No doubt they're mostly pretty smart. That only makes it worse though. Having a high IQ but being unable to connect basic dots is nothing to brag about. Still, it offers a decent read now and then. I can't disrespect his penmanship.

Blogger McJibblits May 14, 2018 11:00 PM  

I'm picking up what you're putting down.

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 14, 2018 11:10 PM  

One thing about the Washington Generals is that they're supposed to act like they are fooled by all the fakery. Because they've never ever seen Meadowlark Lemon do THAT trick before...

Blogger Nick S May 14, 2018 11:15 PM

Blogger tublecane May 15, 2018 1:30 AM  

"medieval people were not familiar with rhetorical speech"

I don't know much medieval history, but even I know rhetoric is one of the Seven Liberal Arts, and part of the Trivium of the medieval university curriculum, along with grammar and logic.

Is it possible Peterson, a frickin' university professor, has never heard f this? I suppose, given the state of Western higher education.

Blogger YourRuler May 15, 2018 5:21 AM  

Over the past week I've become increasingly uneasy with Jordan, what with this talk of "intellectual dark-web" and the like.. Listening to all of your discussion has clarified the issue immensely for me. Once the facade started to crumble, it fell quickly. What reading do I need to take in to not be fooled by such charlatans so easily in the future? I'm young and woefully miseducated

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