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Saturday, May 26, 2018

Direct from the lunatic's mouth

This is the most informative, and damning, section of Maps of Meaning. Perhaps it will help some of the morons and midwits who have never read any of this and simply can't seem to grasp that Jordan Peterson is a globalist lunatic with delusions of grandiosity and a Messiah complex despite it being repeatedly pointed out to them.

I have put what I consider to be the most important revelations in bold. It's a bit frustrating, since I have been telling people about this since the day I read what confirmed my earlier suspicions about the man, but instead of simply going to the source and determining if I was telling the truth or not, literally scores of Peterson defenders opted to instead accuse me of everything from jealousy to slander to invention. But it is not only all right there, it has all been right there since 1999!

Christ said, the kingdom of heaven is spread out upon the earth, but men do not see it. What if it was nothing but our self-deceit, our cowardice, hatred and fear, that pollutes our experience and turns the world into hell? This is a hypothesis, at least—as good as any other, admirable and capable of generating hope. Why can't we make the experiment, and find out if it is true?

The central ideas of Christianity are rooted in Gnostic philosophy, which, in accordance with psychological laws, simply had to grow up at a time when the classical religions had become obsolete. It was founded on the perception of symbols thrown up by the unconscious individuation process which always sets in when the collective dominants of human life fall into decay. At such a time there is bound to be a considerable number of individuals who are possesed by archetypes of a numinous nature that force their way to the surface in order to form new dominants.

This state of possession shows itself almost without exception in the fact that the possessed identify themselves with the archetypal contents of their unconscious, and, because they do not realize that the role which is being thrust upon them is the effect of new contents still to be understood, they exemplify these concretely in their own lives, thus becoming prophets and reformers.

In so far as the archetypal content of the Christian drama was able to give satisfying expression to the uneasy and clamorous unconscious of the many, the consensus omnium raised this drama to a universally binding truth—not of course by an act of judgment, but by the irrational fact of possession, which is far more effective.

Thus Jesus became the tutelary image or amulet against the archetypal powers that threatened to possess everyone. The glad tidings announced: “It has happened, but it will not happen to you inasmuch as you believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God!”

Yet it could and it can and it will happen to everyone in whom the Christian dominant has decayed....

Dear Dad

I promised you that one day I would tell you what the book I am trying to write is supposed to be about. I haven't been working on it much in the last month, although in some regards it is always on my mind and everything I learn, in my other work, has some bearing upon it. Because I have abandoned it, temporarily, I thought perhaps I could tell you about it, and that would help me organize my thoughts.

I don't completely understand the driving force behind what I have been working on, although I understand it better now than I used to, three or four years ago, when it was literally driving me crazy. I had been obsessed with the idea of war for three or four years prior to that, often dreaming extremely violent dreams, centered around the theme of destruction. I believe now that my concern with death on a mass scale was intimately tied into my personal life, and that concerns with the meaning of life on a personal level (which arise with the contemplation of death) took a general form for me, which had to do with the value of humanity, and the purpose of life in general.

Carl Jung has suggested that all personal problems are relevant to society, because we are all so much alike, and that any sufficiently profound solution to a personal problem may, if communicated, reduce the likelihood of that problem existing in anyone's experience in the future. This is in fact how society and the individual support one another. It was in this way that my concern with war, which is the application of death on the general level, led me into concepts and ideas concerning the meaning of life on the personal level, which I could never have imagined as relevant, or believable, prior to learning about them—and which I still believe border on what might normally be considered insanity.

The reasons for war, many believe, are rooted in politics. Since it is groups of men that fight, and since groups indulge in politics, this belief seems well-founded and in fact contains some truth. It is just as true, however, that it is a good thing to look for something you don't want to find in a place where you know it won't be—and the modern concern with global politics, and the necessity to be involved in a “good cause, ” rather than to live responsibly, seems to me to be evidence that the desire not to find often overpowers the real search for truth. You see, it is true that people don't want the truth, because the truth destroys what lack of faith erects, and the false comfort it contains. It is not possible to live in the world that you wish could be, and in the real world at the same time, and it often seems a bad bargain to destroy fantasy for reality. It is desire for lack of responsibility that underlies this evasion, in part—but it is also fear of possibility. At least this is how it seems to me.

Because everyone is a product of their times, and because that applies to me as well, I looked for what I wanted to find where it was obvious to everyone it would be—in politics, in political science, in the study of group behavior. This took up the years I spent involved with the NDP, and in studying political science, until I learned that the application of a system of thought, like socialism (or any other ism, for that matter) to a problem, and solving that problem, were not the same thing. In the former case, you have someone (who is not you) to blame—the rich, the Americans, the white people, the government, the system—whatever, as long as it is someone else.

I came to realize, slowly, that a problem of global proportions existed as a problem because everyone on the globe thought and acted to maintain that problem. Now what that means is that if the problem has a solution, then what everyone thinks is wrong—and that meant, too, that what I thought had to be fundamentally wrong. Now the problem with this line of reasoning is simple. It leads inexorably to the following conclusion: the more fundamental the problem, the more fundamental the error—in my own viewpoint.

I came to believe that survival itself, and more, depended upon a solution to the problem of war. This made me consider that perhaps everything I believed was wrong. This consideration was not particularly pleasant, and was severely complicated by the fact that I had also come to realize that, although I definitely believed a variety of things, I did not always know what I believed—and when I knew what, I did not know why.

You see, history itself conditioned everything I believed, even when I did not know it, and it was sheer unconscious arrogance that made me posit to begin with that I had half a notion of who or what I was, or what the process of history had created, and how I was affected by that creation.

It is one thing to be unconscious of the answers, and quite another to be unable to even consider the question.

I had a notion that confronting what terrified me—what turned my dreams against me—could help me withstand that terrible thing. This idea—granted me by the grace of God—allowed me to believe that I could find what I most wanted (if I could tolerate the truth; if I was willing to follow wherever it led me; if I was willing to devote my life to acting upon what I had discovered, whatever that might be, without reservation— knowing somehow that once started, an aborted attempt would destroy at least my self-respect, at most my sanity and desire to live).

I believe now that everyone has this choice in front of them, even when they do not know or refuse to admit it; that everyone makes this choice, with every decision and action they take.

I mentioned earlier that history conditioned what I think and acted. Pursuit of this realization—which is rather self-evident, once realized—has led me to the study of history, as a psychological phenomenon. You see, if what I think and am is a product of history, that means that history must take form inside me, so to speak, and from inside me determine who I am. This is easier to understand if you consider that I carry around inside me an image of you—composed of memories of how you act, and what you expected, and depictions of your behavior. This image has had profound impact on howI behaved, as a child—when, even in your absence, I was compelled to follow the rules which you followed (and which I learned through imitation, and which you instilled into me, through praise and punishment). Sometimes that image of you, in me, even takes the form of a personality, when I dream about you.

So it is a straightforward matter to believe, from the psychological point of view, that each individual carries around an image of his parents, and that this image governs his behavior, at least in part.

But you see it is the case that the rules that you followed—and which I learned from you—were not rules that you yourself created, but rather those that you handed to me just as you had been handed them while still a child.

And it is more than likely true that the majority of what I learned from you was never verbalized—that the rules which governed the way you acted (and that I learned while watching you) were implicit in your behavior, and are now implicit in mine. It was exactly in this manner that I learned language—mostly from watching and listening, partly from explicit instruction. And just as it is certainly possible (and most commonly so) to speak correctly and yet to be unable to describe the rules of grammar that “underlie” the production of language, it is possible to act upon the world and make assumptions about its nature without knowing much about the values and beliefs that necessarily underlie those actions and assumptions.

The structure of our language has been created in a historical process, and is in a sense an embodiment of that process. The structure of that which governs our actions and perceptions has also been created during the course of history, and is the embodiment of history.

The implications of this idea overwhelmed me. I have been attempting to consider history itself as a unitary phenomenon—as a single thing, in a sense—in order to understand what it is, and how it affects what I think and do. If you realize that history is in some sense in your head, and you also realize that you know nothing of the significance of history, of its meaning—which is almost certainly true—then you must realize that you know nothing of the significance of yourself, and of y our own meaning.

I am writing my book in an attempt to explain the psychological significance of history—to explain the meaning of history. In doing so, I have “discovered” a number of interesting things:

1.All cultures, excepting the Western, do not possess a history based on “objective events.” The history of alternative cultures—even those as highly developed as the Indian, Chinese, and ancient Greco-Roman—is mythological, which means that it describes what an event meant, in psychological terms, instead of how it happened, in empirical terms.

2.All cultures, even those most disparate in nature, develop among broadly predictable lines, and have, within their mythological history, certain constant features (just as all languages share grammatical structure, given a sufficiently abstract analysis). The lines among which culture develops are determined biologically, and the rules which govern that development are the consequence of the pyschological expression of neurophysiological structures. (This thesis will be the most difficult for me to prove, but I have some solid evidence in its favor, and as I study more neuroanatomy and neuropsychology, the evidence becomes clearer).

3.Mythological renditions of history, like those in the Bible, are just as “true” as the standard Western empirical renditions, just as literally true, but how they are true is different. Western historians describe (or think they describe) “what” happened. The traditions of mythology and religion describe the significance of what happened (and it must be noted that if what happens is without significance, it is irrelevant).

Anyway—I can't explain in one letter the full scope of what I am planning to do. In this book, I hope to describe a number of historical tendencies, and how they affect individual behavior—in the manner I have attempted in this letter. More importantly, perhaps, I hope to describe not only what the problem is (in historical terms), but where a possible solution might lie, and what that solution conceivably could be—and I hope to describe it in a manner that makes its application possible.

If you 're interested in me telling you more (I can't always tell if someone is interested) then I will, later. I don't know, Dad, but I think I have discovered something that no one else has any idea about, and I'm not sure I can do it justice. Its scope is so broad that I can see only parts of it clearly at one time, and it is exceedingly difficult to set down comprehensibly in writing. You see, most of the kind of knowledge that I am trying to transmit verbally and logically has always been passed down from one person to another by means of art and music and religion and tradition, and not by rational explanation, and it is like translating from one language to another. It's not just a different language, though—it is an entirely different mode of experience.

Anyways

I'm glad that you and Mom are doing well. Thank you for doing my income tax returns.

Jordan

It has been almost twelve years since I first grasped the essence of the paradox that lies at the bottom of human motivation for evil: People need their group identification, because that identification protects them, literally, from the terrible forces of the unknown. It is for this reason that every individual who is not decadent will strive to protect his territory, actual and psychological. But the tendency to protect means hatred of the other, and the inevitability of war—and we are now too technologically powerful to engage in war. To allow victory to the other, however—or even continued existence, on his terms—means subjugation, dissolution of protective structure, and exposure to that which is most feared. For me, this meant “damned if you do, damned if you don't”: belief systems regulate affect, but conflict between belief systems is inevitable.

Formulation and understanding of this terrible paradox devastated me. I had always been convinced that sufficient understanding of a problem—any problem—would lead to its resolution. Here I was, however, possessed of understanding that seemed not only sufficient but complete, caught nonetheless between the devil and the deep blue sea. I could not see how there could be any alternative to either having a belief system or to not having a belief system—and could see little but the disadvantage of both positions.

So, in case you still haven't figured it out yet, Peterson's grand solution to war is the elimination of competing group identities. One world, one race, one identity. Evil will be vanquished and paradise on Earth will result.

Yes, it's really that stupid. And notice that in this passage, he made the very transformation from inference to fact, from thought experiment to grasping the essence of the paradox, that Schiff points out in his article on Peterson.

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101 Comments:

Blogger Anno Ruse May 26, 2018 5:37 PM  

"I made another blog post about your evil ways! Now debate me, coward!"

Blogger The Kurgan May 26, 2018 5:42 PM  

Good God. It was clear he was unbalanced, but these are the writings of a complete, raving lunatic. And a completely egomaniacal one at that.

Blogger Ralph Markham May 26, 2018 5:43 PM  

Words words words words words. That's what this all reads as to me. It hurts my brain seeing the logical conniptions this man twists himself into. My gut reaction to all of this is "absolute bullshit" because thete are so many obvious glaring problems I don't even know where to start. So I would be inclined to just throw the whole thing in the trash and wash my hands of it.

Thank you for your patience and analysis of this insanity Vox. While my own reaction is to kill it with fire, I understand the need of being able to pick apart the weaknesses of what this guy says, because at the core of it all, you're right; this is pure fucking evil. And evil needs to be addressed in order to be stopped. Thank you again.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 26, 2018 5:44 PM  

Damn. Apparently he's on the same level of ridiculousness as Pope "Let's ban all weapons" Francis.
Too much focusing on abstract thinking, combined with complete bafflement on how the world actually works.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 26, 2018 5:50 PM  

Words words words words words.

@2 Ralph Markham
One Gamma tell is the tl;dr phenomenon.

Blogger S1AL May 26, 2018 5:50 PM  

'Damn. Apparently he's on the same level of ridiculousness as Pope "Let's ban all weapons" Francis.'

To be fair, he's simply the latest in a long line of pontiffs who tried to control war. It hasn't ever ended well.

"The central ideas of Christianity are rooted in Gnostic philosophy"

This is the literal opposite of the truth. Jordanetics as Babelian Gnosticism... yeah, that tracks.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 26, 2018 5:52 PM  

Okay, Flair, try to even make sense of that huge pile of words that doesn't end in a Gulag.

Blogger Bogey May 26, 2018 5:53 PM  

I see what you mean by word salad.

Blogger Jacob May 26, 2018 5:55 PM  

The guy is *literally* a globalist.

Blogger FUBARwest May 26, 2018 5:58 PM  

"Okay, Flair, try to even make sense of that huge pile of words that doesn't end in a Gulag."

That's the problem. People can't see how these thoughts end in Gulag. When pointed in a direct enough way they scream "Slippery Slope!"

Blogger Lyon May 26, 2018 6:06 PM  

"...Peterson's grand solution to war is the elimination of competing group identities. One world, one race, one identity. Evil will be vanquished and paradise on Earth will result." -VD

This very same world view is central to a book titled, "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History" by E Michael Jones.

Jones argues that those who rejected Christ, the Logos, have been deluding themselves for a good 2,000 years.

Blogger Al K. Annossow May 26, 2018 6:12 PM  

While reading (for the second time), I kept thinking of Jordan directing us all as we sang the Coca Cola song 'I Want to Teach the World to Sing.'

But then he is there alone because everyone has walked away. But he is still waving his arms in harmony because he, and he alone, hears the words and music loudly playing in his mind.

It reminded me of Herr Salieri in the movie 'Amadeus' who keeps directing a song that is now only in his mind while his clergy visitor there at the insane asylum can only look on in pity. Later, Salieri blesses the other inmates, absolving them of their mediocrity, absolving them for their second rate accomplishments.

Blogger Sam Spade May 26, 2018 6:14 PM  

I think a lot of people defend him for emotional reasons. Hard to admit an error and the investment.

Honesty is a very important thing to pursue truth.

Blogger Cogniblog May 26, 2018 6:21 PM  

I am so thankful to God for preserving me from this lunatic.

"Even when the fool walks on the road, he lacks sense, and he says to everyone that he is a fool."(Ecclesiastes 10:3)

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 26, 2018 6:27 PM  

Sweet Jesus it's like looking into the guts of the crazy reactor .

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 26, 2018 6:27 PM  

One big family with a big helping of spousal abuse.

Blogger Tallen May 26, 2018 6:40 PM  

Dr. Weston... now paging Dr. Weston.

Blogger AbsurdityIsPeace May 26, 2018 6:49 PM  

I had to read each sentence 3 times to even get a marginal understanding of what he is saying. Anyone else in the same boat?

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 26, 2018 6:57 PM  

"I had to read each sentence 3 times to even get a marginal understanding of what he is saying. Anyone else in the same boat?"

And after you decipher all that muck, your reward is a heap of conjecture, hasty generalizations and bald assertions.

Blogger Mark Stoval May 26, 2018 7:02 PM  

I think that my circle of college buddies made more sense curing the world's problems as we smoked a bit of weed back in the early 70s.

Of course, next day we all knew it was just bullshit. Peterson does not seem to see his stuff is just bullshit. (or does he?)

Blogger Al K. Annossow May 26, 2018 7:03 PM  

I too had to read everything in that mess multiple times just to follow along.

By the way, if you want to see the scenes in the movie 'Amadeus' which I referenced, I found them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCnOx4lmnbg

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML_f3aV_Vwk

Blogger Gianna May 26, 2018 7:06 PM  




@12 Yes, emotional reasons may be a part of it.
I think a lot of people defend him because there are many other "truths" in today's world that they cannot or do not want to face. To admit these truths and stand by these truths, would take courage and sacrifice, i.e., abortion = killing.

Which by the way, is something that I have never heard JBP address for all his concern about humanity.

@15 A heuristic of mine - never trust a man who is controlling over the home decor - always a bad sign.

JBP has shit taste as well.

Blogger Unknown May 26, 2018 7:08 PM  

I haven't seen language that contorted since the last time I tried to read a gender studies thesis paper.

Blogger AbsurdityIsPeace May 26, 2018 7:11 PM  

You've read a gender studies thesis paper?

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 26, 2018 7:14 PM  

So he's figured out that groups have identify which can lead to conflict and that's now bad in the era of MAD.

Now he has a clean room and a plan. He's going to pop some pills and get right on it. You see, Jordan is History embodied. All he has to do is get everybody to drop their group identity and clean their rooms and take their pills.

Then Jordan the messiah can take away sin. Jordanology. What could go wrong?

Blogger Dave May 26, 2018 7:14 PM  

Where are the Jordanologists now that had been camping out on the blog in case Vox mentioned something related to JBP? Are Peterson's thoughts and musings seen in print too much to take?

Vox is the ultraviolet light in a bug zapper to Jordanologists. They're irresistibly drawn to the light waves for reasons they cannot comprehend, but then; ZAP! all that's left is some residue and a few smudges on the screen.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey May 26, 2018 7:16 PM  

You don’t have to bother making an argument against Peterson. All you gotta do is put his own words out there. This is incredible that anybody remains a fan of this lunatic. Dumb lunatic, too. He misunderstands Gnosticism and makes the error all over again.

Blogger FUBARwest May 26, 2018 7:20 PM  

"Which by the way, is something that I have never heard JBP address for all his concern about humanity."

He is pro legalization of it but said "Would anyone recommend someone they know get an abortion?" In a way that showed he disproved of it.

But seeing as he is a liberal and is pro feminist what else could he say? It is really hard to argue pro killing of babies and it is just as hard to argue that abortion is not killing of babies given the scientific evidence that exists.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 26, 2018 7:28 PM  

It was autistic and this explains why autists love him. Heck I think I caught autism reading it.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 26, 2018 7:31 PM  

The "magic" of that kind of word salad is you will end up with gulag but nobody will be mentally agile enough to discern it and call them that.

Blogger Al Du Clur May 26, 2018 7:32 PM  

Reading the thoughts of the Crazy Christ makes it clear that few of his disciples have read the Gospels of Peterson. They are convoluted and deranged and clearly show why he was picked to be a designated maverick thinker.

Ultimately, he will not be defeated our debunked by detailed analysis of his philosophy. The appeal of Peterson is not on an intellectual level, it is on an emotional and conceptual one.

Vox has got in the right idea with the term Crazy Christ. He needs to use the clear sms accessible writing style of the SJWA books to help people understand that Peterson is not simply a Crazy Christ, he is the enemy of their civilization and their descendants not their saviour. In some ways Peterson reminds me of Jim Jones who ultimately led his disciples to their deaths. Peterson's Kool-Aid is not laced with chemical poison, it is laced with ideological poison that will further the destruction of the Western world

Blogger Peaceful Poster May 26, 2018 7:36 PM  

This took up the years I spent involved with the NDP

I believe JP is referring here to the New Democratic Party, which is the far left party in Canada. Given that all Canadian politics slants left, this means the NDP is REALLY left!

There are so many freaks in the NDP, no wonder JP found a home there.

Blogger Lazarus May 26, 2018 7:41 PM  

The Dark Lord warned the Jordanites not to force him into turning his baleful eye upon their champion, but they heeded not.

Kinda like the IDF dropping notices into Gaza about how approaching the fence would get you shot.

Blogger The Overgrown Hobbit May 26, 2018 7:47 PM  

This idea—granted me by the grace of God—allowed me to believe that I could find what I most wanted (if I could tolerate the truth; if I was willing to follow wherever it led me; if I was willing to devote my life to acting upon what I had discovered, whatever that might be, without reservation

"I am the way, the Truth, and the Light."

So Mr. Peterson, in 1999, came to the conclusion that the only peace he (and by extrapolation) the world, would ever know must come from a fearless search for the truth. One which could and would demand throwing aside one's comforting fantasies (we do not need God to be good), identities (socialist), and facing painful realizations about oneself (I am a sinner: plagued with fear, selfishness, etc.).

In 1999 (or thereabouts, I'd have to recheck the WorldNet daily files) Vox Day was still a globalist himself viz Free Trade.

I don't know why either his fans or his detractors seem determined to make Mr. Peterson more than a man: a saint or a super villain. But like Socrates he's leading people along a path he has trodden away from socialism and self-delusion.

Where it will take him, I hope, by the grace of God, is home. If it doesn't, it's wise to understand Mr. Peterson's limitations. If it does, we can be grateful for his ability to persuade the young golumns who think that the only thing worth eating is raw orc-flesh, that, perhaps, a nice coney stew would do you better.

Also: "Clean up your room" is excellent rhetoric.

Blogger VD May 26, 2018 7:51 PM  

In 1999 (or thereabouts, I'd have to recheck the WorldNet daily files) Vox Day was still a globalist himself viz Free Trade.

Bullshit. I was never a globalist. Do not lie about me again. As a general rule, do not EVER dare to tell me what I am, or what I was. I don't take kindly to my intellectual inferiors attempting to educate me.

Blogger Paul M May 26, 2018 7:56 PM  

> All cultures, excepting the Western, do not possess a history based on “objective events.”

It may be that Jordan thinks that the solution to war is to stop othering other cultures. But it also seems that he gets that western culture has something that all the other cultures do not.

(An aside: really? Other cultures don't chronicle their own histories? At all? Really? I would be surprised to discover that this is true.)

I don't know that he has dealt with the *real* problem of war: that it's not solely up to you. If the other guy has decided that there's going to be a fight, then you either fight back or live in subjection (or not at all). You can't stop war unilaterally. It's rather megalomaniacal to suppose you can.

Blogger FUBARwest May 26, 2018 8:03 PM  

"But like Socrates he's leading people along a path he has trodden away from socialism and self-delusion"

I cannot tell if this is written incorrectly or I'm misunderstanding it. Do you mean he is leading people away from socialism and self delusion or towards socialism and self delusion?

I ask because he is pro socialist policies and if you cannot tell he is self deluded from read the OP then godspeed. His writing above ensures that he can't be leading people away from self delusion. He believes whole heartedly that China does not have a written history based on empirical events...

Blogger FUBARwest May 26, 2018 8:05 PM  

"It may be that Jordan thinks that the solution to war is to stop othering other cultures. But it also seems that he gets that western culture has something that all the other cultures do not."

It's simple. EVERYONE becomes Western. Problem solved. Where have we heard that before?

Blogger Sevron May 26, 2018 8:08 PM  

Why do these people never entertain the idea that some groups are, on the balance, evil, and some other groups are, on the balance, good, and that the evil always make war with them an inevitability?

Blogger Cecil Henry May 26, 2018 8:12 PM  

I was just thinking today to ask Peterson just what collective identity he would allow people to take on, or defend??

Could they join a union?? Or a club, what about even a marriage, or business, a calling, and activity, a profession. Why is race, and essential ethnicity and biological identity so evil?? Because either way undermining it is evil. You can't say 'racism' is wrong and then vow to destroy race.

Destroying people's identity, essential or chosen, is a satanic idea from the beginning.

'We will undermine every collective identity except our own' - is what Satan, the Illuminati, and even the Borg preach.

Its evil.

Blogger FUBARwest May 26, 2018 8:12 PM  

"Why do these people never entertain the idea that some groups are, on the balance, evil, and some other groups are, on the balance, good, and that the evil always make war with them an inevitability"

Good and evil don't exist. It all depends on your individual subjective perspective. Unless you can observe the differences between racial ethnicities than you are a racist and are objectively evil.

Blogger Al Du Clur May 26, 2018 8:23 PM  

The more I think about Peterson, the more he reminds me of Jim Jones who led his followers to death in Jonestown, Guyana.

there are differences. Jones wasn't used as much for controlled opposition and his followers were mainly poorly educated blacks. However:

- On the surface Jones was helping people in need and enabling them to nonviolently combat forces aligned against them.

- Jones became the toast of the elite as a compassionate rebel

- A lot of money poured in

- Jones ran a religious organization but gradually admitted he was an agnostic or atheist and using religion to spread Marxism (substitute personal development and globalism)

- Jones was celebrated as a visionary by the left (substitute the conservatives like Glenn Reynolds and somewhat dissent left)

- Jones spread his gospel over the radio (an early YouTube)

- Underlying all this Jones was crazy and had a messiah complex

- I remember his preaching as incoherent (I am one of those Boomers you all despise and lived in the SF Bay Area during the reign of Jones)

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 26, 2018 8:33 PM  

Good God there are some idiots showing up here. Overgrown Hobbit, how many UN position papers has Vox written? How many churches had Vox wanted to buy and preach out of on Sundays? Why is no one around here accepting the fact that evil doesn't boldly show its face?

Blogger Ingot9455 May 26, 2018 8:34 PM  

Reading this is like reading the sections in the Left Behind series written from the viewpoint of Nicolae Carpathia as he is gradually being tutored by an 'inner voice'.

Blogger Babydoc May 26, 2018 8:42 PM  

Dear God...that was painful to read through. It was like an Obama speech (with all the "I, me, my" self absorption) combined with the yammering of an adolescent bipolar/borderline personality patient waxing manic during group therapy sessions trying to impress the target of his/her/its sexual interest.

And he is supposed to be one of the intellectual elite?

Jesus wept.

Blogger Phelps May 26, 2018 8:43 PM  

1 Timothy 6:20:

Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called gnosis, which some have professed and in so doing have departed from the faith.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman May 26, 2018 9:08 PM  

Good lord this man is sick...frothing at the mouth mad. The more examples you show us, the more its absolutely crystal clear. Mass pogroms have been waged by men of Peterson's ilk.
Vox - you are doing a great service exposing this fraud.

Blogger Welsh Woodsman May 26, 2018 9:09 PM  

@43
Now thats funny !

Blogger Zaklog the Great May 26, 2018 9:12 PM  

Sounds like someone listened to a bit too much of John Lennon's "Imagine".

Imagine no John Lennon. It's easy if you try.
https://imgur.com/a/6RjyJOf

Blogger Brick Hardslab May 26, 2018 9:20 PM  

To get it straight, he said the basis of Christianity is Gnostic and Jesus was possessed, the prophets were possessed?

That is seriously wrong thinking about Christianity. You can't go anywhere but wrong starting from there.

Blogger DJT May 26, 2018 9:31 PM  

This really is demonic. Sad to see so many Christians so desperate to be validated that they will accept this man and his BS.

Blogger OGRE May 26, 2018 9:32 PM  

Thanks Vox for taking the time to analyze Peterson's book...so that we don't have to. That turgid style of writing is infuriating to read.

The more evidence is presented, there clearer it becomes that Peterson is just fusing Nietzsche and Jung together inside a Darwinist/materialist worldview. Its like he never got past the Nietzsche-enamored emo/angst teenager stage, and went on to build an entire academic career upon that basis. What JP says in these passages you've presented here and what Nietzsche had written are remarkably similar in process and conclusion.

JP might not admit it, but he very clearly acts as if he believes himself to be an Ubermensch or prophet of some sort. He has a purpose to advance humanity to the next stage of its evolution, to lead man out of the despair of nihilism to a new way of being full of meaning and value. To give us the divine without God.

If only Jordan had a church he could give his sermons in...

Blogger Jay May 26, 2018 9:34 PM  

Peterson says that among the crowning intellectual achievements of Western Civ is the idea of the individual and his intrinsic value (upon which Peterson's whole pseudo-religion rests). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziurppCPfEg "How unlikely an idea" he says.

But in the passage Vox quoted, Peterson says,
"The lines among which culture develops are determined biologically, and the rules which govern that development are the consequence of the pyschological expression of neurophysiological structures."

This suggests he knows that different cultures are an emergent property of the genetic varieties of human nature. In order to eradicate the differences that divide us he will have to eradicate some "species" of humans, blend them all out by force (as most people prefer to mate with their own kind) or some combination. This is pure evil.

For how else can you kill an idea like nationalism but by killing the kind of people who traditionally hold it dear?

Blogger Brick Hardslab May 26, 2018 9:56 PM  

He's figured out the secret to deciphering history, the problem of evil, (group identification, sorry family loving you first is evil) and only he can stop global war (and maybe a cannibal race of dog men).

Other than that he seems so normal. What with the starting his own church (Gnostic New age crap?) and steering young men firmly back into the left's fold.

Blogger AbsurdityIsPeace May 26, 2018 10:14 PM  

@53 Good point with the family issue.

Blogger Lovekraft May 26, 2018 10:16 PM  

I've long held the notion that man's visual capabilities are the primary hurdle to any broad cross-racial unity. We SEE the other and define us and them by these differences.

Something brought about by evolutionary survival necessity. It helped us identify allies, and potential and real enemies.

Many ideological structures throughout history have tried to overcome this basic reality, with Christianity being, for me, the best chance at finding unity despite the inherent differences.

Christianity basically requires pacifism, but with a major caveat: verifiability. And this is where the tangled web of getting through the lies and power cabals comes in.

Blogger Sim1776 May 26, 2018 10:25 PM  

Reading that made my head hurt. The word salad and mental gymnastics are just...wow. Christianity came from Gnosticism? That directly contradicts the actual words of Christ that there is no esoteric knowledge in His message. Christian Gnostics were considered heretics for a reason.

Blogger wreckage May 26, 2018 10:28 PM  

He teeters along the very edge of an understanding of psychological drives as motivators of people-groups, and then instead of understanding the role of stress, goes meandering off after some waffle about identity itself - an utterly irrevocable part of all human organization - as being the True Source of Evil.

It's an impossible position, because his counter to it, But We Are Civilized, is an identity statement; but ti goes even deeper, because any proposition of psychology or philosophy that can be stated explicitly is grounded in identity, hell, the Self at all is grounded in identity, and, humans being relational and (per CR Hallpike) institutional, all proposals and perceptions of self and role-of-self gain their meaning from the associated identity.

If this is what he seeks to erase in himself, it is no wonder he dreams of death and cannibalism. He is attempting psychological autophagy. He has not solved his suicidal impulse, he has merely driven it deeper into a camouflage of self-deception.

No wonder he weeps.

Blogger Al K. Annossow May 26, 2018 10:43 PM  

It crossed my mind that Peterson's use of the the Coherence Theory of Truth is a trick in two ways. But first the background.

Peterson redefines truth more or less as statements or ideas that help me or my group survive. Anything that is coherent within that Darwinian definition can be considered truthful. Most people gravitate toward the Correspondent Theory of Truth which says that ideas and statements that correspond to reality are truthful.

Peterson is tricking us first by redefining truth so that we have to enter his world just to communicate. And since we are less familiar with his world than him, he'll win jousting matches there. He makes us 'think past the sale' by taking on his assumptions and incorporating them into our thinking, otherwise he won't discuss it.

The second trick is that it adds importance to his ideas. Truth is big and important, but saying that such-and-such idea is 'beneficial to my survival' is merely bland and obvious. So by redefining 'truth' downward to a more bland meaning, he makes his bland ideas sound important because of our natural association of importance to the word 'truth.' I suppose you could call that a form of 'bait and switch.'

If he wanted to introduce a new idea without tricks, he would merely create a new word or useful phrase to express the new concepts.

Blogger John Colicos May 26, 2018 10:54 PM  

For this I delurk and make my first post here?

He figured this out all by himself did he? This is basic sociology 101 that the world has been following since post WW1 and then refined after WW2 - it's blatantly OBVIOUS to any neophyte that studies the problem that wars between nations will stop once all nations dissolve and everybody works under one world government. It's not TRUE (anymore than gun control will stop violence and, of course, kinda forgets the whole civil wars thingy - but that's just a triviality...) That's why they setup the United Nations after WW2 (after that first castle sank into the swamp.. but this one... this one will stand)

I understand his search for "The Truth" so I'm sympathetic there but redefining the truth and, more egregiously, throwing away other people's "truths" (real, rational ones grounded in moral, objective, fact) when they don't conform is not the hallmark of a smart man but a bully. Especially when he shifts his truths to further his own personal wins.

to wit - the guy's a master of technobabble because simply stating his case would reveal it for the fakery it is.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora May 26, 2018 11:22 PM  

With how much Peterson invokes scenes from early Genesis I wonder how he squares the notion of one of the first sins being the murder of a brother with his realization that group identity is at the core of the 'paradox' of evil motivation. Looks a whole lot like Cain asserted his individualism when he chose not to be his brother's keeper.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 26, 2018 11:26 PM  

If Peterson survives a terrible head wound with undiminished faculties... WATCH OUT!

Blogger Thad tuiol May 26, 2018 11:27 PM  

The verbiage this guy spews forth is too irritating and time-consuming to bother with. Please offer a "TL;DR" option.

Blogger Dave May 26, 2018 11:48 PM  

Peterson's written words are a very powerful repellent against Jordanologists.

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 27, 2018 12:25 AM  

I suggest replying to his tweets with quotes from his own writings. See if the Jordanologists notice.

Blogger son of a preacher man May 27, 2018 12:32 AM  

Thank you Vox. By presenting Peterson's own words you have given me a more profound understanding of the paracitcal nature of evil. Words cannot Express the chills I got from reading that. He is Tyler Durden.

Blogger Bobiojimbo May 27, 2018 12:47 AM  

I owe many people an apology, and I need to ask them for their forgiveness. I helped spread this dude.

Blogger Flair1239 May 27, 2018 1:11 AM  

In one of the lectures in his biblical series he addresses Cain.

https://youtu.be/44f3mxcsI50

Blogger Ian Stein May 27, 2018 1:17 AM  

TLDR. Psycobababble. Peterson is Jung gone off his rockers.Disregard.

Blogger Flair1239 May 27, 2018 2:00 AM  

Fake Right Flair the recently promoted triple Gamma here.

Peterson discusses borders in several of his lectures. He has acknowledged their necessity. I would say politically he is weak on the issue, definitely to the left of anyone here, myself included. At the same time, he is far from a Soros open borders guy. I wish I could cite the lectures but I can’t right now.

Peterson is also a respecter of institutions and traditions. That is the point of many of his diatribes against post modernism. That our institutions and traditions as flawed and corrupt as they may be have delivered the West from poverty and brutishness. In his words we should think twice before we blow that all up. So his work at te UN does not really surprise me.

I guess it depends who you think the enemy is. It does not seem to be a recipe for winning to say that anyone to the Left of Pat Buchanan is an anti-Christ and can’t be trusted

President Trump is actually a decent example. Although the is much harder on borders than Peterson would ever dream of being, he is not exactly a small government guy. But his positions on Trade and immigration buy him a lot of leash, with me anyway.

This is similar to the way I view Peterson. I doubt I would vote for him in any sort of election. However his politics are not what I find interesting. I have found his take on archetypes to be very useful in real life. I love listening to his talks on how the brain works and how he mines mythology for ties to modern science.

I can see disagreement with Peterson. Again I thought Harris had several good points. But to describe Peterson as insane, a cult leader, an anti christ, A pedophile, or George Soros. That is just silly.



Blogger tublecane May 27, 2018 2:58 AM  

@39- "Why is race, and essential ethnicity and biological identity so evil?"

Because Hitler. The answer is always Hitler.

That's the intellectual level he's working at, superintelligent or not. Boomers, amirite?

Blogger nswhorse May 27, 2018 3:05 AM  

Add me to the column of "what the fuck did I just read?" Most sentences in that passage to me come off as a long-winded way of saying precisely nothing. At the least, I have no way to parse what the hell he is trying to say.

A couple of concrete claims did leap out at me though. First, that Christianity is founded on gnosticism. I guess I should be used to people getting the history of Christianity and the ideas it allegedly borrowed arse about by now. Anyone with the most basic knowledge knows that gnosticism followed Christianity by several decades, and that proto-gnosticism is repeatedly condemned in the New Testament.

Second, the nonsense about only Westerners record dry, empirical history. This is easily disproved by the counter-example of the Bible itself, especially the Old Testament, which contains many passages of dry and detailed history. I'm guessing Peterson decided to skip those like a lot of people do.

Blogger Mac May 27, 2018 3:08 AM  

Well, this passage out of Peterson first book allows me to identify his perspective as a naturalized (in accordance with psychological laws) Jungian (It was founded on the perception of symbols thrown up by the unconscious individuation process) terror managment theory (survival itself, and more, depended upon a solution to the problem of war).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory

He makes quite a lot of historical mistakes.

The central ideas of Christianity are rooted in Gnostic philosophy [the reverse, Gnosticism was a Christian heresy, but Christanity in antiquity was one of many soteric religions (Mithraism, for example) ] , which, in accordance with psychological laws [what laws exactly? Please name them], simply had to grow up at a time when the classical religions had become obsolete [so religions are simply like cars, getting old, rusty and unusable ????].


My advice to him, rather than talking about "attempting to consider history itself as a unitary phenomenon" he should be studying a real, non-unitary history.

As we have seen, he is clearly unable to create some coherent big philosophy: he will never get besides his shallow "12 Rules". Of "Maps of Meaning" he sold only 500 copies. So I do not consider him dangerous.

Blogger tublecane May 27, 2018 3:09 AM  

"Peterson's grand solution to war is the elimination of competing group identities. One world, one race, one identity."

Say we could get rid of nations, which would require massive decivilization. Say we could get rid of race, which we can't outside of perhaps an intensive universal miscegenation program. But for argument's sake.

What makes him think he can get rid of identity. Has he ever been to junior high? People are extremely particular about markers of who's In or Out, and where each stands in the pecking order. We're never going to be interchangeable, with or without world government.

I swear, you'll find fans of Green Day willing to fight fans of Blink 182 to the death in the absence of any more meaningful differences.

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 4:31 AM  

These extracts are definitely best taken in conjunction with your Darkstream answering the questions he poses.

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 4:40 AM  

@51:

"The more evidence is presented, there clearer it becomes that Peterson is just fusing Nietzsche and Jung together inside a Darwinist/materialist worldview. Its like he never got past the Nietzsche-enamored emo/angst teenager stage, and went on to build an entire academic career upon that basis. What JP says in these passages you've presented here and what Nietzsche had written are remarkably similar in process and conclusion.

JP might not admit it, but he very clearly acts as if he believes himself to be an Ubermensch or prophet of some sort. He has a purpose to advance humanity to the next stage of its evolution, to lead man out of the despair of nihilism to a new way of being full of meaning and value. To give us the divine without God. "

That is definitely my impression, yes. His Youtube lectures seem to focus mostly on Jungian tropes, with some Freud, but his motivations are Nietzschean.

And he thinks you can derive (or create) moral value from Darwinian natural selection. Which I guess makes high-fertility Afghans and Somalis the best of Men.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 5:10 AM  

"The central ideas of Christianity are rooted in Gnostic philosophy,"

HAHAHA!

HAHA!

HAHAHAHAHA!

Please, stop, you're killing me!

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 5:28 AM  

If Christianity had actually been Gnostic we would never have had science. Believing the universe was made to be understood was vital to the enterprise.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 5:35 AM  

Okay, so after actually reading through it, he got mentally stuck on the singular/plural and us/them dynamics, and then Jung hit him with a psyche-truck and ripped his mind apart into stupid little bits.

And he decided that all must become one.

Jordan Borgerson? "You must all be assimilated. Resistance is futile."

Jordan "Grey-Goo Good" Peterson?

Even with that, he seems to have forgotten the other method of all becoming one... Last man standing!

Apparently he never worked out that humans having a single source to begin with (even in his own philosophy), even somehow managing to merge all the races and groups and characteristics back together, humanity would diverge again quite rapidly via natural processes.

Blogger tublecane May 27, 2018 5:50 AM  

I don't know why I bother with this gobbledygook, but something about watching Peterson's meandering YouTube rants has me itching to get to the bottom of his...psychosis. Because (relatively) learned and accomplished people who constantly go from zero to holocaust every time they open their mouths must have an explanation.

Seriously, why is Peterson always going off on megadeath tangents, as if that's the eternal subject at hand? No one let me know; I thought we were talking about the Lion King. Just because it's on your mind doesn't mean it's at the end (and beginning, and middle) of every line of intellectual inquiry possible.

"The central ideas of Christianity are rooted in Gnostic philosophy."

No. But maybe the central ideas of Jordan Peterson are. Is the professor in touch with Gnon? I remember some Peterson defender or other bringing that up.

"the collective dominants of human life"

Is this Jungism? I'll Google Jungian psychological dominants.

"a considerable amount of people who are possessed"

No wonder Peterson likes Dostoyevsky so much. Possession. We're all "the Possessed." (Unless we follow the 12 Rules.)

"Jesus became the tutelary image or amulet against the archetypal powers that threatened to possess everyone"

I'm not going to into more detail, except to say one of the sources of Peterson's, I don't want to say philosophy but way of thinking, is that he's deathly afraid of losing his sanity and needs to hold onto myth, drama, and so forth to avoid possession by his truly terrifying unconscious. (If we can trust his dream descriptions.)

"most of the kind of knowledge that I am trying to transmit verbally and logically has always been passed down from one person to another by means of art and music and religion and tradition."

I always thought Freud should have been an artist or mythologist rather than a pretend-scientist. Perhaps the same could be said of Jung.

Why don't you just write a movie, Jordan? Why are you pretending to be able to understand something verbally and logically when clearly you don't?

Blogger Jack Morrow May 27, 2018 6:04 AM  

The first few paragraphs are so filled with academic jargon masquerading as scholarship that they should be should be filtered through an online translator to figure out what he's talking about. The MEGO syndrome (My Eyes Glaze Over) set in when I tried to trudge through it. It seems like recycled Jungism, and it reminds me that Carl Jung himself was instructed by a demon named Philemon and teetered on the brink of insanity for years.

JBP, with his statement that Christianity was rooted in Gnostic philosophy, has apparently (at least as of 1999) not read I John, which was written in no small part as a polemic against Gnosticism, especially the first chapter.

Blogger Jack Morrow May 27, 2018 6:07 AM  

I think this applies to JBP:

Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.

Proverbs 14:7

Blogger tublecane May 27, 2018 6:10 AM  

@71- Peterson would probably dodge the Old Testament either by ignoring the chronicle parts and focusing on the weird parts, or by including it as part of Western civilization. However, his theory is easily disproved by consulting other civilizations.

What's unique to history in the West is not that the Greeks stumbled upon the existence of objective facts. Our history books are *still* full of stories, much like myth. Didn't Napoleon refer to history as myth agreed upon? Did he borrow that idea from a Chinaman?

What Herodotus and Thucydides did was make history an investigation into the past. They gathered evidence with a critical eye, analyzed it, arranged it in an order that made sense, THEN told a story. Which doesn't represent some radical new way of looking at the past. Just more orderly.

The whole argument is an example of Peterson's false distinction between the cold, materialistic, Newtonian worldview he ascribes to us on the one hand and the wild, mushroom-trip of a world experienced by those swingin' Others on the other. They are the thesis and antithesis. The synthesis to carry us into everlasting peace is Petersonian Darwinian Pragmatic Nietzschean Jungian Whatever.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 6:12 AM  

"Because (relatively) learned and accomplished people who constantly go from zero to holocaust every time they open their mouths must have an explanation."

Oh, it's not hard. All you have to understand is:

#1: Competition.
#2: Death.

Then you have to be an Atheist. Bingo! Elements of Humanism, Globalism, Nietzsche, Jung, Darwinism, Utopian ambitions, and Messiah Complexes are all just bonus potpourri points to mix and match to taste. Whammo, you're the demi-apotheiosis of Cain.

Or something.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 6:16 AM  

"I always thought (((Freud))) should have been an artist or mythologist rather than a pretend-scientist. Perhaps the same could be said of Jung."

We'd have a better version of Oedipus theatrical, that's for sure.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 27, 2018 6:17 AM  

My bad, my coincidence detector contaminated that quote.

Blogger Stilicho May 27, 2018 7:09 AM  

Regardless of what anyone else thinks of Peterson, it is clear that he thinks of himself as a messiah.

Blogger Duke Norfolk May 27, 2018 7:38 AM  

Unknown wrote:I haven't seen language that contorted since the last time I tried to read a gender studies thesis paper.

Indeed. It reeks of modern Academic-ese. These people apparently think they get paid by the word. Though to be fair it's not as bad as much post-modern academic B.S.

Blogger Duke Norfolk May 27, 2018 8:01 AM  

Mac wrote:Of "Maps of Meaning" he sold only 500 copies. So I do not consider him dangerous.

You're really going to pretend that he doesn't have millions of followers on You Tube (among other social media), and thus huge influence? You can't possibly be that stupid.

Blogger Jose Iglesias May 27, 2018 9:36 AM  

He is a Jungian a 21 century Joseph Cambell take it for what its worth.

Blogger James Dixon May 27, 2018 9:54 AM  

> So I do not consider him dangerous.

By himself, no. But the left is pushing him as controlled opposition. That makes him potentially extremely dangerous.

Blogger DonReynolds May 27, 2018 12:03 PM  

Jordan Peterson's fear of death and his revulsion of war (in general) are phobias that will not solve his problem. He will not live one moment longer because of them. He will live and die much like the rest of us. But because his toddler fears do not actually address his problem and do not solve his issue, they are certainly irrational.

The touchstone of modern Leftist Liberalism is egalitarianism. No matter what else happens, they continually return to the sacred equality. Of course, there is no such equality and there never has been, and they know that to be a fact, the same as the rest of the world. So they spend a lot of time and effort imagining how they can force the rest of the world to become magically equal.

Jordan imagines he can convince society to strip away everything that makes us all unique and somehow that will make us all equal. That means we must all give up our identity, how we see ourselves, who we believe we are, and the natural affections we have for people and places. So Jordan has magnified his toddler fears with toddler expectations. He must have an id as big as a mountain, with an ego only slightly smaller.

Jordan does not believe he can accomplish his fantasy world by himself (or even by example), thus he is not completely insane, but he does seem to think he can convince the rest of the world by sharing his fantasy in public. That gives him unrealistic expectations, which can never be realized. Next he will invoke the Kennedy question....If not how or why, then why not?

For Leftist Liberals, the goal is a matter of survival, and all the blood and suffering is worthwhile sacrifice, no matter what the cost, because the end justifies the means.

Blogger S'mon May 27, 2018 12:07 PM  

Joseph Campbell is a good analogy, but he made more sense.

Blogger Mac May 27, 2018 12:28 PM  

@ Duke of Norfolk

He is a prophet of "12 rules", not of "Maps of meaning", for God's sake. It is rather remarkable that he did not try to re-launch "Maps" in the wake of "Rules" success. I think he knows that if more than 500 people read it, he will be finally cut into slices.
I still think he is useful. Converts - conservative converts - need starting from basics: they know that themselves, they know that they there is dearth of even such simple ideas. Clearly they did not read even Aesop fables. How otherwise "12 rules" could be such a success? You cannot start with handing out Evolas in the way Muslims are handing out Korans. Or can you?
Well, if you really want to derail Peterson, you must cut into his market. So I suggest a stand opposing his paid venue, a stand with a poster like "Timeless wisdom for free. Jordan Peterson surely will agree. Read the famous teacher of Hellas for free!", and cheap copies of Aesop to hand out.

Blogger Dave May 27, 2018 12:45 PM  

You're really going to pretend that he doesn't have millions of followers on You Tube

Peterson's Youtube channel has 1,168,398 subscribers which is over a million but not quite million(s) plural. Glancing at the number of viewers for each video we find it ranges from not even six figures on some to around 1/2 million for the monthly Q@A's.

Youtube subscribers don't translate one for one as viewers, however, obviously a larger subscriber base will accumulate more views. Take for instance nigahiga's channel (not gamer related) with almost 21M subscribers; he averages roughly 4-8M viewers per video or approximately 20-40% of his subscriber base.

Even with Peterson's supposed fervent following, his Youtube channel doesn't stand out. In fact, he sometimes fails to hit 10% of his subscribers as viewers on particular videos.

Blogger Dave May 27, 2018 12:57 PM  

he did not try to re-launch "Maps"

Actually you can pre-order the audio version that should be out next month. 1852 minutes narrated by Peterson only $42.88 on Amazon.

Blogger kevmalone May 27, 2018 2:34 PM  

Vox Day, thank you for performing this great service.

It took me a while to get through this, in the end I attempted to red-pencil each paragraph down to its essence. In addition to its errors, it is mostly wankery. Some paragraphs are meaningless fluff, others are trite and unoriginal at best.
One thing that sticks is his writing on individual morals, which boils down to "We all learn by either observing or being taught". Gosh, mind blown.

He goes from there to his father (who he seems not to like) back to himself; then bounces to language then to stating that an understanding of underlying detail is not necessary to make assumptions etc. et blahblahblah. Apart from what seems to be a strikingly non-scientific mindset; surely the questions are not "What about me?", but "What was the originally observed behavior?" and "Who was the first teacher?".
It is clear he does not believe it to be Christ, because He is an inert object: a talisman.
It seems, to this simple mind, that there is only one other choice.
In addition - what about evil people Jordan? who is teaching them and whom did they observe?
Is there another "talisman" you forgot to mention here?

It is my long-standing, albeit simplistic, belief that the difference between Right and Left is that the Left believe that "All men are simple children who are fearful of the big, wide world and must be led and taught" (and therefore, implicitly, controlled) while the Right believe that "All men are complicated balls of - see 7 deadly sins; but are capable of salvation". (So provide rules of engagement and a path to salvation)

In conclusion: man of the Left, at BEST ignorant of the source of evil.

Once again, thank you Vox Day. Sorry for the long post.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 27, 2018 3:13 PM  

When asked to provide an essay for an anthology on the subject "what's wrong with the world?", Cesterton, a real Christian and a truly wise man gave a two word reply, "I am."

Addressing the same question, Peterson, a sometimes pseudo-Christian and truly mentally ill man, replies "humanity."

Blogger Sam Spade May 27, 2018 3:22 PM  

It's funny how gammas dislike Vox. Do gammas tend to hate sigmas more than alphas?

Blogger Tupla-J May 28, 2018 5:29 AM  

@98 They do. Alphas kick them around when they get uppity, but sigmas torture them for fun.

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 28, 2018 12:38 PM  

All I got out of that is, "Daddy, Daddy, I thought up something new, all by myself!"

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