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Tuesday, May 08, 2018

Interview with Moira Greyland

Many of those observing my ongoing vivisection of Jordan Peterson's philosophy are of the opinion that these things don't really matter very much, that discussion of philosophies and moralities is esoteric discourse best left to intellectuals and that distinguishing between good and evil philosophies is irrelevant.

But as the experience of Moira Greyland shows, philosophy matters. Because evil philosophy is always utilized to justify, excuse, and even celebrate evil actions by moral monstrosities. Read the whole interview, it will provide new insight even to those who have read The Last Closet.
LifeSite: Many science fiction and fantasy authors have treated pedophilia, incest, and homosexuality with a creepy sort of sympathy. For example, Robert Heinlein’s “Time Enough for Love,” has a protagonist who has sexual relations with his adopted daughter, clones himself as two women and “marries” them (as well as two men), and finally travels back in time where he has sexual relations with his own mother. The book was nominated for both the Hugo and Nebula awards and Heinlein was called the “dean of science fiction writers,” and his followers have created a “Robert Heinlein award” for science fiction writing.

My question is this: as one who grew up in this world and was so terribly victimized by such attitudes, why do you believe sci-fi and fantasy writers and their fans have such a thirst for this kind of material? What is the connection between these genres of literature and these pathological tendencies?

Moira Greyland: People wanted to have promiscuous sex and the books gave them a map.  The authors writing about the promiscuous sex were hailed as Great Thinkers, and it was assumed that if the people in the books were happy and promiscuous, then it would work out that way in real life.

Throwing off sexual morality meant more sex, more often, with no way for women to refuse without being labeled “prudish.”  It meant an end to the sexual dominance of the biggest and the strongest, and meant any ugly jerk could get laid if he had drugs and a good line.

Sexual morality is questioned, and all the rules are thrown out.  Suddenly, instead of having one husband and one wife, people are having all kinds of sex with all kinds of people, and a lot of people like it.  Some are too drug-addled, drunk or stupid to think through the implications, and others have weak personalities and go along with anything their husband or wife demands provided they can stay married.

But here is the trouble.  Since the new social circle operates on a new rulebook, whether it is the Stranger in a Strange Land rulebook or the Darkover rulebook, it is no longer acceptable to do things the old way.  In practice, the wife who has a broken heart because her husband is carrying on with five women, or five small boys, had better keep her mouth shut or risk losing him.

Since the books delegitimize jealousy and fidelity, troubles in the relationship which normally result from adultery must be blamed on something else.  Now instead of it being normal to hate the other woman, the wife is in the atrocious position of having to blame her own jealousy and possessiveness for her agony.  She can no longer blame her husband for his conduct, and must instead blame herself.

Naturally, in practice, this is a recipe for disaster.  The result is divorce, abortions, broken homes, single parenthood, and always the blame was misplaced.  Adultery does not work.  Promiscuity does not work.  Polyamory does not work.  But if you are in a social circle where they are normalized, you have to swallow the poison pill or lose your social group.

Even in the weirdest social circle, there will be a few good couples who love each other and who just can’t get into the poly stuff no matter how fashionable it might be.  One might even think that those people have a moral compass or a backbone, and they are probably the couple that heads on over to church while the rest of their circle are sleeping off the debauchery.   Are they aware that their morality has saved their marriage and their family?  Maybe.  But you can be sure they do not trumpet their differences.  And years after the dust settles, it will be those couples who say “I always felt funny about the weird sex in Marion Zimmer Bradley’s books.”

And it will be those couples who have stayed together.
Once God is removed from the picture, so are the limits of the moral structure He has imposed on Man. And then, "do what thou wilt" becomes the whole of the law, whether it is "with due regard for the policeman around the corner" or "without overlooking the guidelines of your culture since life is short, and you don’t have time to figure everything out on your own."

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55 Comments:

Blogger 357Delta May 08, 2018 11:17 AM  

Fandom is full of the disaffected, the misfits, people from broken homes, even people who were rejected by their own families for one reason or another.

What a great description.

Blogger Clint May 08, 2018 11:22 AM  

Moira is a survivor and a warrior. It is hard to share this personal tragedy, but she does so with class and strength. We need more like her.

Blogger James May 08, 2018 11:24 AM  

I've always noticed that the "cool" philosophers eschew the "slippery slope" argument, even incorporating it into academia's narrative as "The Slippery Slope Fallacy". And yet it always happens. Every. Single. Time. Sort of like postulating that torture doesn't work. The only time torture doesn't work is when you are torturing the wrong person. Once you have a good percentage of the facts, torture will get you the rest of the information. Rather quickly, too. Removing moral and legal boundaries are usually the first step. Remember the "gay marriage" debate? Opponents would postulate that allowing gays to marry would lead to other problems, like legalizing polygamy or marrying your pet. Maybe polygamy is still not legal (in the West), but it certainly is being examined the public arena as just another "choice". And people are marrying their pets. I think what the deconstructionists want to mean when they speak of the "Slippery Slope Fallacy" is that it won't happen immediately. And if it happens in 10 to 20 years, that is just a logical evolution of a social construct and therefore can't be wrong.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora May 08, 2018 11:25 AM  

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Blogger S1AL May 08, 2018 11:27 AM  

James -

The Slippery Slope is, indeed, a logical fallacy.

It is also an empirical reality.

Rationality utilizes both for a reason.

Blogger Brick Hardslab May 08, 2018 11:28 AM  

That was sad to read about her little brother. Pedophilia and homosexuality have dominated and ruined that boy's life. How many others will 'fandom' insist be sacrificed to keep their pagan icons in place?

I grew on on Heinlein juveniles. When I read his more 'mature' stuff I just glossed over the weird sexual stuff in my mind ignoring it. I had forgotten most of it because to me it wasn't important to the story. I should have actually paid attention to what he and others like him were saying. Piers Anthony, Bradley, Farmer all were pervert pied-pipers saying, "follow me."

Blogger Solaire Of Astora May 08, 2018 11:33 AM  

Is this not a problem all atheists have to grapple with eventually?

Blogger Arthur Isaac May 08, 2018 11:35 AM  

The slippery slope is well documented. It happens when you replace God with figments of your own imagination. A primary feature in much of SF&F.

Blogger Freeholder May 08, 2018 11:37 AM  

Sadly, I grew up reading all of these and yes, they did affect my moral perception. I am still coming to terms with that. I'm not strong enough yet to read this work but I am now strong enough to acknowledge the problems and how I see it often in other parts of fandom.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) May 08, 2018 11:42 AM  

and meant any ugly jerk could get laid if he had drugs and a good line.


"ugly jerks" aren't the problem. Heinlein looked fine.

you might call him "jerkish", but practically speaking, he was just an early 1900s Game Boy.

Blogger Sean Carnegie May 08, 2018 11:45 AM  

Once God is removed from the picture, so are the limits of the moral structure He has imposed on Man.

It's almost like Romans was written with this exact thing in mind.

... For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been make. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.

Romans 1:20-25

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 08, 2018 11:48 AM  

James wrote:I've always noticed that the "cool" philosophers eschew the "slippery slope" argument, even incorporating it into academia's narrative as "The Slippery Slope Fallacy".

There is nothing false about a slippery slope argument, if there is a slippery slope. Absent a clear dividing line, things go down hill.

Abortion is an example of a clear dividing line: born, or not born. It is legal to kill the unborn, who are invisible and do not vote, and illegal to kill the born, who are visible and cute and eventually will vote. Abortion is hard for the death cultists to extend, because of that clear line.

Euthanasia for the born is an example of a slippery slope. There is no clear dividing line, and so no evil that we won't soon reach once we accept the idea that we can kill useless eaters, or those with low quality of life, or the merely inconvenient.

Anonymous Anonymous May 08, 2018 11:53 AM  

How can we fight the controlled opposition rendering of people like this?

Real question: Outside of the church, should we bother? As the church, are we commanded to turn over every cultural rotten log and expose the rot and the parasites to the light? Or are we called to a more limited task of preaching the gospel and cleansing the rot from within the church?

I tend to think that if we do the latter, the former will be positively affected. But doing the former without the latter got us where we are today.


Blogger Jew613 May 08, 2018 11:57 AM  

Good interview though her critique about women refusing sex being labeled prudish seems a little out of date, and at this point if there is infidelity or marital problems the man will be blamed, always and in every setting.

Blogger pyrrhus May 08, 2018 12:01 PM  

I remember starting to read 'Time Enough For Love', being totally revolted by the whole thing, and throwing it away. But it's not like Heinlein hadn't been writing about perversion in some of his other late period works, so I think it was there all the time...But it couldn't be in his YA novels, so that protected the public..

Blogger Crew May 08, 2018 12:06 PM  

I remember reading Stranger in a Strange Land and not liking it. It was not the sort of Science Fiction I wanted to read.

I don't think I ever read Time Enough for Love. Probably would have thrown it away.

Blogger VD May 08, 2018 12:21 PM  

Stop posting off-topic, yclepedbobali. There is absolutely ZERO need to bring any article in the New York Times or on the Drudge Report to my attention. Obviously I will post on it, so be patient and wait for it, don't try to drag an entirely unrelated discussion off-topic to something else you would prefer to discuss.

Blogger James May 08, 2018 12:22 PM  

S1AL wrote:James -

The Slippery Slope is, indeed, a logical fallacy.

It is also an empirical reality.

Rationality utilizes both for a reason.


Calling it a “fallacy” is an attempt to denigrate the concept and is one of the evil ones’ favorite tools. Here is one definition of fallacy:

a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.

However, for a mental masturbationist……I mean, philosopher, a fallacy is reasoning that comes to a conclusion without the evidence to support it. So, since you are postulating that something can happen in the future, you have no “evidence” to support it, so it is a fallacy. Which means to non-mental, er, non-philosophers, a mistaken belief. I cannot know that the sun will rise tomorrow, but I know it will to a probability of 0.999999999999999999999. That is not a mistaken belief. That is a common sense belief. And it is typical of the left and other evil doers to try and shame any attempt to create a reality based world.

Blogger pyrrhus May 08, 2018 12:29 PM  

"The Slippery Slope is, indeed, a logical fallacy.

It is also an empirical reality."

Very good illustration of the fact that formal logic and observations about how humans actually behave, are ships passing in the night. Contrary to most philosophers, science is primarily about accurately observing the natural world, not about generating theories.

Blogger Uncle John's Band May 08, 2018 12:35 PM  

The left is well aware of the slippery slope. When not pretending it's a fallacy, they call it frogs in a pot.

Blogger cmbaileytstc May 08, 2018 12:36 PM  

Can’t decide whether this Molyneux tweet is OT or not:
https://mobile.twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/993721355920134144

Blogger Bogey May 08, 2018 12:46 PM  

Robert Heinlein’s “Time Enough for Love,” has a protagonist who has sexual relations with his adopted daughter, clones himself as two women and “marries” them (as well as two men), and finally travels back in time where he has sexual relations with his own mother.

So the illustrious Heinlein was a fucking degenerate as well. Color me surprised.

Blogger Crew May 08, 2018 12:47 PM  

Robert Heinlein’s “Time Enough for Love,” has a protagonist who has sexual relations with his adopted daughter

Woody Allen took it as an instruction manual, I see.

Blogger Starboard May 08, 2018 12:57 PM  

"While reading 12 Rules for Life, I noted that Jordan Peterson claims "evil is the desire to cause suffering, where suffering is not necessary." This demonstrates that he doesn't know a single goddamn thing about real, material, conscious evil, which has absolutely nothing to do with the desire to cause suffering, but rather, the desire to do as one pleases."

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2018/05/the-last-closet.html

The first problem I had with JBP's definition of evil was who's definition of "necessary" we were using. That lead to questioning the mitigating word of "desire" which excuses people who weren't trying to do wrong. Then we look at suffering. The definition of "suffering" looks very different coming from abuser or abused. Abusers surely rationalize evil by mitigating it with "I didn't mean to cause harm," and "it was love, not evil," and "it couldn't have been suffering because it was love." In their darker moments when faced with the suffering they have caused, they may even call it "necessary" by prioritizing their own needs above the needs of the child.

And of course "suffering" also implies an emotional or mental pain, so the broken left can claim that anything that gives them bad feelz is evil. Gosh, is there any solid ground in JPB's definition of evil?

Blogger CarpeOro May 08, 2018 1:01 PM  

Reading younger authors who haven't grown up in a society that acknowledges Christianity as its' foundation, you can see difference. The threads of their thoughts are adrift at one end because they aren't tied to anything substantial. They can say something and a few passages later say something else that is in opposition to it without thinking twice. I enjoyed many of Heinlein's works, but a few of the more Progressive ones were off putting to me even when I was young and a bit adrift - likely because I was raised in the faith. My guess is that the younger authors of today wouldn't understand the aversion, or more likely call me out of step with the times. Those desiring to be in step with the times are celebrating the end of all civil society and a true dark age.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 1:03 PM  

Starboard wrote:Gosh, is there any solid ground in JPB's definition of evil?
None at all. Acknowledging the reality of evil would mean facing the evil in his own heart. That is something Peterson cannot do.

Blogger Crew May 08, 2018 1:12 PM  

In other news, some still think it is OK to exploit under-age women ...

http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2018/05/blind-item-10-met-gala.html

Blogger Mahorka May 08, 2018 1:32 PM  

Partly OT: could the main character of Poul Anderson's Eutopia be modeled after some real life pedophile? Thought it was simply about homosexualism when first reading. I know nothing about SF history but Wiki says Anderson also lived in Berkeley and belonged to several organizations mentioned in The Last Closet.
"Dammit, I was just educating the young men like Socrates did... Why didn't anyone say anything? I was told they are pretty okay with the pre-marital sex, didn't suspect they manage to have a bigoted slant even over that... What, you're saying they may be somewhat right? Okay, now I travel back to Niki. Nikias, the prettiest of boys".

Blogger ReluctantMessiah May 08, 2018 1:33 PM  

@13 Since Christianity is a fundamental pillar of West Civ, the church most certainly needs to be restored. That and Aristotelian philosophy

Blogger S1AL May 08, 2018 1:50 PM  

James -

It's specifically a non sequitur fallacy (an accurate assessment based on the fundamental axioms of formal logic). Note that I am not defending logic in this point. The full statement goes thusly:

The Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy and an empirical reality. This is why empiricism is superior to logic.

Blogger Starboard May 08, 2018 2:08 PM  

"The issue is not admitting that science fiction fandom has a pedophile problem. The issue is that science fiction fandom denies that pedophilia IS a problem." Moira Greyland

It is an excellent interview and very much worth reading. My respect for Moira Greyland continues to grow.

One relatively new treatment option for PTSD is Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing. EMDR attempts to re-rewire the brain allowing the person to process traumatic events rather than shut down. I've talked with someone who has had great success with EMDR. She said it was exhausting but effective.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/emdr-what-is-it

"How Does EMDR Work?
Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing (EMDR) is a fairly new, nontraditional type of psychotherapy. It's growing in popularity, particularly for treating post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). PTSD often occurs after experiences such as military combat, physical assault, rape, or car accidents.

Although research continues, EMDR remains controversial among some health care professionals.

At first glance, EMDR appears to approach psychological issues in an unusual way. It does not rely on talk therapy or medications. Instead, EMDR uses a patient's own rapid, rhythmic eye movements. These eye movements dampen the power of emotionally charged memories of past traumatic events."

Blogger Damn Crackers May 08, 2018 2:14 PM  

Once you see how Marx, via Hegel, was influenced by the occult, gnostic, and hermetic philosophies, then the present world makes sense.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/en/magee.htm

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 08, 2018 2:19 PM  

James wrote:Calling it a “fallacy” is an attempt to denigrate the concept and is one of the evil ones’ favorite tools. Here is one definition of fallacy:

a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument.


Again, there is no fallacy in recognizing the existence of an actual slippery slope. Calling this a logical fallacy denigrates the concept of logic.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 3:37 PM  

It depends on what you mean by "slippery slope"
If you mean "this step will be like tripping over the guardrail to inevitable doom," then yes, it's silly. If you mean "this is one more step that makes the next step to ruin easier to accomplish and harder to avoid," then there's no fallacy involved. If you mean "the Lefties will not stop after this step, like they imply they will, but will immediately begin demanding the next step to complete societal dissolution," then you would be both logically and empirically correct. Because they always lie, and always double down.

Blogger S1AL May 08, 2018 3:48 PM  

It's a logical fallacy because it's generally impossible to prove (using logic) that point Z is a *necessary* consequence of point A.

But, again, that's a strict issue with formal logic and its rules. The observed reality of slippery slopes is another issue entirely.

Blogger artensoll May 08, 2018 3:55 PM  

Thank you for posting this, Vox. I read the whole interview, though I found it hard going. I still don't think I could face the book but would be interested to know whether she writes in more detail about being saved? It was interesting because He saved me in a similar way in the midst of a situation I believed would kill me.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 08, 2018 3:57 PM  

Premises:
1) Lefties always lie
2) Lefties always double down
3) Lefties say that the policy they want implemented is reasonable and limited
Therefore:
Implementing the policy proposed by the Left will not satisfy their demands, will not be limited in scope, and will in implementation be pushed past the limits of reason.
QED

Blogger Gordon Scott May 08, 2018 3:58 PM  

Every time I read something by Moira Greyland, I think, man, this is one tough gal. And she is done with pretending things are okay when they aren't. Imagine the strength it takes to write that book expecting to be attacked from all sides, and knowing it's likely to tip you over in to major depression.

The whole "sexuality could be so great if only enlightened people like us were running things" runs through that whole culture. And then you go to a gathering of SciFi fans, or SCA people, or Ren Faire folks, and you realize: these people may be really smart, but they should not be in charge of a hot dog cart.

Blogger The Deplorable Podunk Ken Ramsey May 08, 2018 4:29 PM  

It's just not possible to praise Moira enough. Listen to Vox, read the whole interview. The woman dazzles with forthright takes from hard and cruel experience, and seeing the effects of the damage the real monsters did to her and her brothers is so poignant.

Of course there is a Slippery Slope, there never won't be, because the evil ones will see to that. That is precisely why they should never be given an inch, they do fully intent to take that mile. For example when Lawrence v. Texas went down SCOTUS ruled that American states cannot criminalize homosexual acts. Defenders of the decision often said, "What is the problem? It isn't hurting anybody. And it's not like we're asking for gay marriage!"

Oh but of course they were. That was the next to be worked on the agenda. And they are not stopping with gay marriage, either. Already efforts are underway for legal polyamory and polygamy. In fact part of the attraction in importing all those Muslims to the West is precisely to aid in this effort. And as for legalized pedophilia, Moira's own father was a leading figure in getting that ball rolling long ago.

Anonymous Anonymous May 08, 2018 4:55 PM  

She did the hard work of g living the moral implications of these inverted moralities.


When one accepts the lies as truth, then one's virtues become sins.

This inversion is deadly. For, one wants to do good and unlike in God's order where the fruits of His spirit are life, the fruits of these demonic orders are deadly.

It's good to see you philosophical types doing the Lord's work .bless you

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 08, 2018 5:12 PM  

It’s not a slope, it’s a cliff.

The reason you don’t smash your brains out immediately after stepping off it is that it’s a very long way down.

“Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore it is fully set in the hearts of the sons of men to do evil”

Blogger Dire Badger May 08, 2018 6:30 PM  

I want some serious answers about how RAH went from 'Starship Troopers' to 'Time enough for love'.

It's like... sometime in the 60's his brain was replaced. Was it drugs? was it Virginia? was he corrupted by his own audience after "the moon is a harsh mistress" was lauded for it's fashionable communism and cunt-worship? Was it simply his way of responding to Hubbard?

Blogger VD May 08, 2018 6:49 PM  

I want some serious answers about how RAH went from 'Starship Troopers' to 'Time enough for love'.

Different publisher, different editor, no restrictions.

Blogger Doktor Jeep May 08, 2018 7:03 PM  

"One nation under God" was a nation of laws and rights.
"Do what thou wilt" is anarcho-tyranny.

I always loved the "science" side of science fiction. But then in a world of depravity I'm still the technician dutifully keeping the machines running and finding their lack of depravity comforting - even when it's a killing machine that can rain hell down on... well... the depraved.. I can dream.
(I got started in the field fixing fighter jets)

So everybody around me waves rainbow flags and I'm the one who remembers that the Rainbow was a symbol of God's promise not to flood the planet to kill off the degenerates again. Now degenerates made a flag of it and wave it in His face.

"The Technician silently took cover, slipping away with his DMM and soldering iron and entirely without notice as the orgy carried on..."

Blogger Dire Badger May 08, 2018 7:03 PM  

VD wrote:I want some serious answers about how RAH went from 'Starship Troopers' to 'Time enough for love'.

Different publisher, different editor, no restrictions.


Seriously? It's just that simple? So... He was like that all along, just restrained by a different set of social mores into brilliance until he was 'set free' by the 'anything goes' new normal?


Well, Crap. Maybe we need to bring back the Comics Code Authority.

Blogger S1AL May 08, 2018 7:15 PM  

@Badger -

Baen (the man) over commented "Bob can write better with one hand than anyone else can with both, but damn I wish he'd keep that other hand out of his pocket."

(From memory, so not an exact quote)

Blogger weka May 08, 2018 7:18 PM  

EMDR is an old and unproven treatment.

Blogger S1AL May 08, 2018 7:20 PM  

Oh, sorry, not Baen - Cambell. Full quote here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/i-wish-that-son-of-a-gun-would-take-that-other-hand-out-of-his-pocket/amp/

Blogger Nathan Housley May 08, 2018 9:15 PM  

@Badger,

It's worse. Heinlein and his friends (Asimov, Kornbluth, Knight, etc.) spent 30 years debasing science fiction so that their obsessions with sex could be featured in their stories. Heinlein was vanilla compared to the rest. And, yes, Moira's observation that " The issue is that science fiction fandom denies that pedophilia IS a problem" shows in many of the stories of the sixties and seventies.

Blogger Starboard May 08, 2018 11:56 PM  

47. weka May 08, 2018 7:18 PM
EMDR is an old and unproven treatment.

I'm not going to fight you, Weka. I've never had PTSD nor have I gone through EMDR treatment. The one who related her experience to me is trustworthy, but there is no way for you to know that. I also know that anecdotal success is not evidence. Was her success due to EMDR or placebo? Maybe it was an excellent therapist or her determination to get her life back after the lid blew off. I admit that I like the idea of a treatment that doesn't rely on pharmaceuticals or years of talk therapy. That alone makes it an attractive alternative to current models. But your mileage may vary. (should I end with "Cheers" and a smiley face, or would that be too much?)

Blogger flyingtiger May 09, 2018 1:09 AM  

I have been meaning to reread, Time enough for Love. Lazarus Long discovers that one of the side effects of a long life is that people you know die. I have been going to too many funerals lately. I hated the perverted stuff. It slowed the story down and seemed pointless. I never read anything written by Heinlein after this. I also used to like Woody Allen. After I saw Manhatten, I could never watch his movies again.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 09, 2018 1:16 AM  

Starboard wrote:(should I end with "Cheers" and a smiley face, or would that be too much?)
Don't make me hurt you.

Blogger Jack Amok May 09, 2018 1:36 AM  

Well, Crap. Maybe we need to bring back the Comics Code Authority.

Truth is, all of us have the potential to be monsters if we come to believe we're special enough the rules don't apply.

Blogger Dire Badger May 09, 2018 1:53 AM  

Jack Amok wrote:Well, Crap. Maybe we need to bring back the Comics Code Authority.

Truth is, all of us have the potential to be monsters if we come to believe we're special enough the rules don't apply.


The question is, it it worst to not even HAVE the rules?
Humans need boundaries.

Blogger R Webfoot May 09, 2018 5:03 PM  

"At first glance, EMDR appears to approach psychological issues in an unusual way. It does not rely on talk therapy or medications. Instead, EMDR uses a patient's own rapid, rhythmic eye movements. These eye movements dampen the power of emotionally charged memories of past traumatic events."

Wait, for real? I've noticed rapid, lateral eye-movements a couple of times when pain-speakers were bullshitting me, but I never understood why. Do rapid eye movements take the pressure off of the emotional pain somehow?

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