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Wednesday, May 23, 2018

Mailvox: from participation prize to SJW

A reader drops some recent science on us:
The following is part of a comment at a subscription-only site that caught my attention, as it tied in so well with the shrunken-amygdala discussions held so often at VP.  It's forwarded with permission of the comment's author, with the bold/italics in the original:

How have humans been turned into snowflakes where emotions are in control and learning has been suppressed?  This article explains it.  When reward is uncertain (even if 90% likely), learning in the medial prefrontal cortex is enabled by the dopaminergic reward seeking system.  But if reward is certain, the learning circuits of the medial prefrontal cortex are disabled. 

It makes perfect sense from an evolutionary point of view; if you already know enough to get the reward with certainty, there is no point in wasting further effort to learn more. 

What pertaining to rewards has critically changed over the past couple of generations?  Everyone now receives a reward for participating!  Not just the winner of the race.  Not just the smart student who studied hard and aced the test.  Everybody gets an unconditional hence certain reward.

These unconditional rewards have turned off learning.  The younger generation is broadly liberal and progressive because their ability to learn has been systematically shut off since childhood.  No wonder they act like spoiled children.  They have never learned to grow up!

We have a very big and very serious generational problem.  Those unconditional rewards aren’t just silly; they are literally mentally crippling.

I'm not sufficiently familiar with the science, but I have to wonder if this phenomenon actually re-inforces the under-development of the amygdalae in susceptible individuals, so that the "participation trophy syndrome" has helped to make the SJWs even worse than they might have been.
I have always known that learning how to compete, how to win, and how to lose, is important, but I never had any idea that a failure to do so might lead to literal insanity. It also explains why SJWs are never able to learn from their past mistakes.

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Blogger Looking Glass May 23, 2018 9:19 AM  

Given we lost 15 years of fMRI study data as viable, I think they're on to a topic, but I also don't believe there is anything to point to it being that harsh of a divide. (Far too many studies of "X part of the brain does Y" are really sketchy, mostly unrepeatable, and lean heavily on very specific scenarios.)

That being said, brain sector utilization is extremely important in development. The brain is a lot more like a muscle than an organ like the liver. There are several distinct growth periods, culling periods and sections will atrophy without utilization. (You can also break your brain with eastern mediation approaches.) Which, for the SJW, the self-loathing is probably the key issue.

Self-talk produces neurotransmitters. If you need to lean on negative emotions to get through the day, it means you're energy deficient. High Sugar, high C6 fats and low exercise are a bad combination for efficient mental cognition. Thus leaning on self-loathing, anger or any other negative emotion. It provides a short-term burst of energy, at the cost of a long-term degradation of those pathways. In the same vein of "you are what you eat", in many ways, you "become what you think".

There'll be a big boom in neurophysiological-based approaches for training kids, even if it's pretty much "don't have them sit too long, no sugar, play an instrument, play some sports, write & have conversations". You end up back at a fairly classical education.

Blogger The Kurgan May 23, 2018 9:20 AM  

This is possibly the most important realisation concerning modern life.

Blogger pyrrhus May 23, 2018 9:26 AM  

Interesting theory...I have worked with a lot of kids, including my own, in sports and chess. In my experience, they know whether they have accomplished something and whether they have won or lost and don't have any use for participation trophies. One parent told me that a former student threw all his trophies away except one for winning a chess tournament, because that was the only one that "meant something" to him.

Blogger Nate May 23, 2018 9:27 AM  

There are a great many horrible things you can do to your kids... and one of them is never deliberately putting them in a situation where they will fail.

One of the main reasons we picked the TKD place that we did... is that we were warned that no kid had ever gone all the way through without failing at least one belt test. most kids failed multiple belt tests.

i'm certain there are modern parents that would gasp in horror at this... but I took that as extremely important. I want my kids to deal with failure. Not just failure.. but public objective failure in front of their friends and family.

Blogger Looking Glass May 23, 2018 9:27 AM  

For the rise of SJWs, the main thing is they've always existed, but now they have reach, due to Socialist policies & the Internet. Modern medicine also means they don't die at a young age, and, along with modern caloric production, can actually physically thrive in the current environment.

I mention similar points to this a good bit, but there's an entire swath of modern populations that don't survive childhood if they're born in 1890. Thus, some of the issues we're dealing with are because we've kept the genetic weak alive.

Blogger Peter Gent May 23, 2018 9:36 AM  

So, I guess the old aphorism, "You can't teach an old dog new tricks" would apply here. If true that their atrophied amygdalas can't be resurrected by failure, that would explain one aspect of their problem. However, a serious event, such as being mugged, might just flip the switch, as PTSD might stimulate the amygdala enough to get it reacting again. Just guessing here.

Blogger wreckage May 23, 2018 9:45 AM  

@1 It's why we had to home school our two autistic kids. They do very well with a classical approach and plenty of self-direction, but put them in a modern classroom and their performance degrades sharply; then their behaviour; then their cognition. It's almost literally toxic to them. And the teaching approaches are as far from a classical or even an early industrial-era education as can be imagined. The system is in collapse.

Blogger Looking Glass May 23, 2018 9:56 AM  

@7 wreckage

It's never worked to educate; it's worked brilliantly as a vehicle to turn children into Leftist zombies.


@6 Peter Gent

Depending on the exact dysfunction, it's more than likely repairable, though their instincts would likely prevent them from ever figuring it out directly. Though correcting their endocrine systems alone would probably do most of the work.

Blogger VD May 23, 2018 9:58 AM  

However, a serious event, such as being mugged, might just flip the switch, as PTSD might stimulate the amygdala enough to get it reacting again. Just guessing here.

No, it won't. See: Matt Yglesias.

Blogger TheMr77469 May 23, 2018 9:58 AM  

Funny thing about those participation awards... they seem to sometimes have a negative effect. I recall in elementary school. I was in a spelling bee, I lost, but then was handed a green participation award ribbon. It had a weird effect on me, made me feel the loss even worse, threw that ribbon into the trash. You can win or lose, but it seems like a participation award rubs salt into a wound.

Blogger CM May 23, 2018 9:59 AM  

It makes perfect sense from an evolutionary point of view; if you already know enough to get the reward with certainty, there is no point in wasting further effort to learn more.

Ha ha. This explains my life.

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 23, 2018 10:03 AM  

Smooth out the little challenges and one is left defenseless for the big ones. Religious ceremony and regular fasting promote discipline. One more reason why Christianity is a necessary pillar of civilization. It's the only possibility of keeping the cake of modernity or preserving what's left if it's devoured.

Blogger insight May 23, 2018 10:05 AM  

"For the rise of SJWs, the main thing is they've always existed..."

"I mention similar points to this a good bit, but there's an entire swath of modern populations that don't survive childhood if they're born in 1890. Thus, some of the issues we're dealing with are because we've kept the genetic weak alive."

Exactly. They were culled/pruned before as well, older generations culturally had in place defense mechanisms against SJWs/liberals getting out of hand but then the boomers came along.... Of course liberals/SJWs etc... don't like being culled but if you're interested in building and maintaining a civilization that's actually progressing you don't have much choice do you? You either manage the left by keeping them out of sight at the very least or your yard gets full of weeds and you have to break out the DR trimmer.

Blogger The Kurgan May 23, 2018 10:06 AM  

It doesn’t snow in the South. Good job.

Blogger Desdichado May 23, 2018 10:08 AM  

@6 Peter Gent. If not Matt Yglesias also reference Amanda Kijera.

Blogger insight May 23, 2018 10:24 AM  

Diversity + Proximity = War

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-22/sweden-warns-every-single-household-prep-war

Blogger yoghi.llama May 23, 2018 10:25 AM  

Is the comment based on this article?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29249287

Anonymous Anonymous May 23, 2018 10:28 AM  

Best response to a participation trophy, ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4McW2_-j9g

Blogger Chris Lutz May 23, 2018 10:34 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:Interesting theory...I have worked with a lot of kids, including my own, in sports and chess. In my experience, they know whether they have accomplished something and whether they have won or lost and don't have any use for participation trophies. One parent told me that a former student threw all his trophies away except one for winning a chess tournament, because that was the only one that "meant something" to him.

When I coached my daughter's soccer team (4-5 year olds) at the YMCA, they had no scoring. Of course, I could ask any of the kids after the game and they could tell you the exact score.

Daughter has been out on her own for about a year now. She thanked the wife and I for not lying to her about if she had done well or not. She said most adults in her age group just can't handle any criticism.

Blogger Peter Gent May 23, 2018 10:43 AM  

Re: She said most adults in her age group just can't handle any criticism.

That's because they aren't adults. They are physically grown up children and will be until they come to terms with failure. Children "need" protection. Adults protect themselves.

Blogger Crush Limbraw May 23, 2018 10:55 AM  

This seems to relate to premillennial end times eschatology - and I was one for 20 some years - 'why bother polishing the brass on a sinking ship' mentaity - especially among Evangelicals.
Dispensationalism began 200 years ago, coinciding with the gradual withdrawal of Churchians from life and culture - all the while watching for end times signals to this day - still waiting but not 'making disciples of all nations'!

Blogger Peter Gent May 23, 2018 11:09 AM  

Crush Limbraw wrote:This seems to relate to premillennial end times eschatology - and I was one for 20 some years - 'why bother polishing the brass on a sinking ship' mentality - especially among Evangelicals.
So, do you think the failure of the Rapture/2nd Coming in its missing the final time window (70 years) of a generation after the re-establishment of Israel will change any of that?

I was greatly influenced by J. I. Packer's book, Knowing God, and his idea of the difference between travelers (those actively pursuing the Gospel and the God who revealed it) and balconeers (those who withdrew from the fray and became basically spectators).

In the end, most things boil down to accountability and willingness to judge yourself according to a set of standards. That means exposing failure and dealing with it, which is the nature of confession and repentance, neither of which are popular these days.

Blogger wreckage May 23, 2018 11:09 AM  

@21 I've encountered that attitude even in amillenialists. Oh, well, it's all going to poop because End Times so let's just sit around and shrug fatalistically until Jesus swings by to pick us up.

Appalling. Most of them have children, too!

Blogger Azimus May 23, 2018 11:11 AM  

The corollary to this is the millions of healthy brains that crave competition and accomplishment that are wasted in the endless dissipations of internet gaming - and I say this as a gamer. We all know the young man (this is always men) who are crazy competitive and innovative and daring online - who love with their parents, don't date girls, and work just enough at a dead end job to have the high-end gaming system. This is just as deadly to our civilization as participation trophies in my opinion - the dissipation of male ambition.

Blogger Nate May 23, 2018 11:17 AM  

"This seems to relate to premillennial end times eschatology -"

no. it doesn't. Stop.

Blogger Nate73 May 23, 2018 11:17 AM  

@1: What do you mean by saying Eastern meditation approaches break your brain?

Blogger Johnny May 23, 2018 11:17 AM  

The model of treating adults like children in a top down governed society has been around for a while. In Eastern Europe the Russians put teachers in charge of things as part of establishing their rule. It is inherent in some Christian teaching. Louis the sixteenth did it as a propaganda device, and perhaps other nobles as well. He was the "father" of the French. And now that I think of it, all the family this family that Family Leave act implicitly treats adults as children with the government as the adult. They displace the family even as they claim to be supporting it.

And good old Jordan Peterson and his rules, child like stuff. The fact that Petersen can get so much attention being a surrogate parent really tells you where we are.

Blogger pyrrhus May 23, 2018 11:18 AM  

"I mention similar points to this a good bit, but there's an entire swath of modern populations that don't survive childhood if they're born in 1890. Thus, some of the issues we're dealing with are because we've kept the genetic weak alive."

Precisely..The accumulation of mutations (.9999% dysgenic) has been going on since at least 1800, and has accelerated in the last 75 years, when the West has been encouraging the dis-functional to breed. "Mouse Utopia" in the words of Charlton and Woodley. Some of those mutations are doubtless in the brain and amygdala..

Blogger Avalanche May 23, 2018 11:18 AM  

@10 "You can win or lose, but it seems like a participation award rubs salt into a wound."

Yup. K-selected.

Blogger Peter Gent May 23, 2018 11:20 AM  

One additional thought along the Dispensationist line is the idea of the re-establishment of the Jewish Temple and and sacrifices and their (Evangelical) support of the idea. Don't they know that is anti-Christ? That is why the veil was rent and the Temple destroyed within the generation after the crucifixion/resurrection. The sacrificial systems was fulfilled and forever displaced by the blood of Christ. Even to consider supporting a return to the old system is antichrist. I don't see how they can't get that.

Blogger Peter Gent May 23, 2018 11:24 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:"I mention similar points to this a good bit, but there's an entire swath of modern populations that don't survive childhood if they're born in 1890. Thus, some of the issues we're dealing with are because we've kept the genetic weak alive."

Precisely..The accumulation of mutations (.9999% dysgenic) has been going on since at least 1800, and has accelerated in the last 75 years, when the West has been encouraging the dis-functional to breed. "Mouse Utopia" in the words of Charlton and Woodley. Some of those mutations are doubtless in the brain and amygdala..

It turns out mutations are not evenly distributed but can group at certain points. This article opens up a whole new way of looking at genetic issues, which on a certain level is scary.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/21/science/mosaicism-dna-genome-cancer.html

Blogger Avalanche May 23, 2018 11:25 AM  

@23 I've encountered that attitude even in amillenialists. Oh, well, it's all going to poop because End Times so let's just sit around and shrug fatalistically until Jesus swings by to pick us up.
Appalling. Most of them have children, too!


TOTAL bunnies! "We can't outrun the fox/owl/coyote, so let's just live our little lives and not worry about preparing." (And no, their children don't carry any weight with preparations: stereotypically amygdala deficient and all r-selected.
(Where oh where is the Church Militant?! Onward Christian Soldier!) (Please!)

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 23, 2018 11:25 AM  

Peter Gent wrote:. Even to consider supporting a return to the old system is antichrist. I don't see how they can't get that.

Churchians are anti-Christ.

Blogger pyrrhus May 23, 2018 11:29 AM  

@31 Fascinating...There is a lot we don't know about how the hyper-complex DNA, RNA etc. system works....

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 23, 2018 11:31 AM  

My dad would always ask those Christians to give him all of their money, since they wouldn't be needing it. Strangely they refused.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 23, 2018 11:45 AM  

Avalanche wrote:(Where oh where is the Church Militant?! Onward Christian Soldier!) (Please!)

I'm not sure where it went, but the last Crusade was around 1300, right? That's probably when it went missing. Look around 1000AD to 1300AD for what killed it, then.

Blogger Crush Limbraw May 23, 2018 12:06 PM  

The eschatology produces the mindset and resultant behavior, Nate.

Blogger kurt9 May 23, 2018 12:18 PM  

Humans are fundamentally lazy. If you give kids "participation" awards with no further rewards for actually performing, they will stop striving to do anything more than the bare minimum. What we see today is nothing more than the culmination of the promulgation of laziness.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 23, 2018 12:35 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:I'm not sure where it went, but the last Crusade was around 1300, right? That's probably when it went missing. Look around 1000AD to 1300AD for what killed it, then.
The 30 years war killed a lot of that militancy. The West and Whites are STILL reeling from the impact of the 30 years war, 350 years on. The entire framework by which the West understands the State, the person, the Church, political legitimacy, international relations, was forged in a desperate bid NEVER to have such a thing happen again. The World Wars and even the Civil War are just aftershocks of the 30 years war.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 23, 2018 12:39 PM  

TheMr77469

Rubbing salt in the wound may in fact be the real purpose. In spite of all their public breast beating about “the children!” a lot of teachers and education bureaucrats hate children and are so mentally aberrant they probably don’t have a clue as to their own motivations. But see how few of them actually HAVE children of their own.

They may love them in the abstract but when faced with the particular ... well, it’s like the political commissar killing peasants to defend the workers paradise.

Blogger Crush Limbraw May 23, 2018 12:56 PM  

Spoon feeding produces a lack of intellectual curiosity - it is the basic culture in every institution in today's world - schools, churches, FakeStreamMedia, etc. - and it is purposefully cultivated by our ruling class elites with full acceptance by WeDaPeople.

Blogger SouthRon May 23, 2018 12:59 PM  

I've never understood the argument that dispensationalists, especially premillenials, are inclined to sit on their laurels and coast.

While I consider myself dispensational and currently pre-trib (I'm reexamining the latter), my particular crowd tends to be missionary and evangelical. Perhaps it has something to do with never having been interested in either C. I. Scofield or Hal Lindsey. I don't know. Scofield was a mess and Lindsey a joke.

On the other end I met the caricature amillenial Calvinist that saw no need to evangelise because God had already preordained who would be saved and who would not. It isn't the norm, but they do exist.

This isn't self defense, I just don't understand the accusation because I've never seen it in my group and wonder if it's more the rare living caricature a la the Calvinists I mentioned.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 23, 2018 1:05 PM  

The corollary to this is the millions of healthy brains that crave competition and accomplishment that are wasted in the endless dissipations of internet gaming - and I say this as a gamer. We all know the young man (this is always men) who are crazy competitive and innovative and daring online - who love with their parents, don't date girls, and work just enough at a dead end job to have the high-end gaming system. This is just as deadly to our civilization as participation trophies in my opinion - the dissipation of male ambition.

@24 Azimus
The thing is, you'd think that their sex drive would prevent them immersing themselves in vidya. But that's where p0rn and the near-universal acceptance of masturbation (ahem) come in.

There's a reason masturbation was considered a mortal sin in the old Catholic Church. They weren't just trying to squelch people's fun.

Blogger Lyon May 23, 2018 1:09 PM  

Brilliant! This is why I hang out here, for pearls like this post. And a decent comment section too. Very provocative, in a good way. Thanks Vox, thanks folks!

Blogger peppermint May 23, 2018 1:09 PM  

Which is why sperglords with their own ideas about what success means are the vanguard of the hard right.

And no, masturbation has never been a substitute for marriage. Those men should be married. To get married they instinctively need financial stability. Financial stability is unavailable. They could also fuck sluts. Would that really be better?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 23, 2018 1:10 PM  

Resident Moron™ wrote:They may love them in the abstract but when faced with the particular ... well, it’s like the political commissar killing peasants to defend the workers paradise.

Satan wants you to love humanity and hate every human you know.

Anonymous Anonymous May 23, 2018 1:33 PM  

This would explain a lot if true. It also ties in to what VD and others have been saying for years about the urgency to homeschool or die, the necessity of athletics in school and other aspects of classical education, etc., etc.

Blogger Crush Limbraw May 23, 2018 2:19 PM  

To SouthRon - After I began to re-examine my premil, a whole world opened up - www.crushlimbraw.com - and the linked archive is the outline to making disciples.

Blogger Brett baker May 23, 2018 2:23 PM  

Love with their parents is a whole other problem.....

Blogger Brett baker May 23, 2018 2:25 PM  

Love with their parents is a whole other problem.....

Blogger Dirk Manly May 23, 2018 2:45 PM  

@13

Pointless war. Draft college graduates. Those with useless degrees are collected into SJW battalions.
They are fed into "rear guard" actions.

This is in keeping with German theory on officer assignments.

The smart and industrious -- staff positions
the smart and lazy -- command positions
the dumb and lazy -- find something relatively unimportant for them to do
the dumb and industrious -- dump them into a rear-guard unit. Convey the expectation that if they fail, they had better not show up afterwards, or they will face the highest charges and punishments, starting with cowardice and derilection of duty in the face of the enemy.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 23, 2018 2:47 PM  

Dirk Manly wrote:Pointless war. Draft college graduates. Those with useless degrees are collected into SJW battalions.

They are fed into "rear guard" actions.

This is in keeping with German theory on officer assignments.


Use the Soviet model instead: SJW battalions at the front, with machine gun battalions behind them, to ensure they move forward into enemy fire at an acceptable pace.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora May 23, 2018 2:54 PM  

@1

By breaking the brain with eastern meditation, do you mean you can actually damage your brain doing that stuff? Sounds intriguing.

Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 23, 2018 2:55 PM  

Simple observation would show a lot of support for this notion. What is the word SJW use most for their shriekers' crusades? "Safe", that is, to be assured that nothing that could make them feel uncertain is ever allowed to exist.

Anonymous Anonymous May 23, 2018 3:01 PM  

VD wrote:However, a serious event, such as being mugged, might just flip the switch, as PTSD might stimulate the amygdala enough to get it reacting again. Just guessing here.

No, it won't. See: Matt Yglesias.


...like this swedish mega-cuck who was butt-raped by a vibrant and didn't want him to be deported cuz the migrant was "oppressed".

In the case of this woman it took a lot more than a single incident. More like daily doses of harsh truth during a very long time. But she managed!

https://vladtepesblog.com/2018/02/07/those-people-who-ate-with-me-drank-danced-laughed-they-talk-about-me-as-stupid-german-whore/

Blogger DonReynolds May 23, 2018 3:42 PM  

Peasants understand necessity. It is the only way they survive. They do what is necessary, otherwise they do not survive.

If you have a society that makes the peasants comfortable (food, shelter, etc) without having to work, then they will not work. You have effectively taken away their compelling reason for doing anything to obtain that comfort. That does not mean they will be grateful or obliged to help out in the public square. Welfare recipients do not use their idle time volunteering to improve the community. What they are left with is plenty of time for mischief and irresponsible behaviors (which are sometimes crimes, but breaks the boredom of doing nothing).

WE as a society actually decide for ourselves what kind of society we will have and how it will be organized and the rules it will embrace. In a free society, those who do not like it can go to another society (if they are allowed in).

There are always three ways to choose from....1) the way it was, 2) the way it is, and 3) an "improvement" on the way it is. Americans have tended to choose #3. Let's hope they continue to do so.

Blogger Unknown May 23, 2018 4:16 PM  

Ok, so riddle me this:

Christians have a promise of reward in Heaven because of the propitiation of sins by Christ's sacrifice on the cross. They are free to make mistakes as long as they repent and resolve to do better.

Muslims have no promise of reward and are never assured of a place in heaven. They are forever working for God's favor and never know for sure if they've done enough.

In keeping with this new cognitive science, which of the above is better for learning?

Blogger Unknown May 23, 2018 4:33 PM  

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Blogger Unknown May 23, 2018 4:56 PM  

Or more specifically, which is better for clamping down the degenerative leftwise ratchet?

The moor may be the Alt-Right's most effective anti-SJW mercenary. This new science puts 9/11, Al-Qaeda, ISIS - and US foreign policy for the last 50 years - into an interesting new light.

We know God uses the enemies of his people to fulfil his purposes. We also know he exiles his disobedient people, sometimes for centuries. Who is the captor and who is the liberator - the leftist or the moor?

Blogger R Webfoot May 23, 2018 5:07 PM  

@57
Christians are not all promised the same rewards in Heaven. The dead will be judged according to what they have done. Those whose works pass the test will be rewarded; the others will be spared but as one passing through the fire, keeping not even the clothes on their back.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 23, 2018 5:17 PM  

DonReynolds wrote:There are always three ways to choose from....1) the way it was, 2) the way it is, and 3) an "improvement" on the way it is. Americans have tended to choose #3. Let's hope they continue to do so.
GADDAMN PROGRESSIVES!!!
You forgot 4) Pretend you're doing 3, but instead exploit the changes you force to arrogate more power, money, and control to yourself.
And 5) Try to do 3 and because MPAI, fuck it all up and make it substantially worse. Over and over again.


Your stupid assessment is exactly how we got to where we are.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 23, 2018 5:18 PM  

Unknown wrote:Muslims have no promise of reward and are never assured of a place in heaven.
This is false. Islam is Universalist. They believe everybody goes to heaven.

Blogger weka May 23, 2018 5:20 PM  

On Brian volume and function. Look at synaptic pruningand regeneration leading to abberant neural networks. This is a more robust data set and we now know a fair amount about this.

A key finding that changed the game is that most Gray matter volume is synapses.

The dopamine ans serotonin hypotheses don't hold up on the pharma data we have, but as modulators of stress response and neurogenesis there are putative mechanism la la be investigated.

Blogger weka May 23, 2018 5:23 PM  

Being encouraged to debrief after trauma makes it worse. Therefore grief counseling post events increases risk of damage.

And real PTSD is a horrible thing that has no effective therapy but time.

Anonymous Anonymous May 23, 2018 5:45 PM  

Today's educators (I won't call them "teachers") fail to understand that failure is a necessary part of the learning process.

A teacher once taught me an important lesson that has shaped my life. When I was in second grade, we had a spelling bee. Half of the second grade classes against the other half. I was the last one down on my side--I kept eliminating people on the other side until it looked like I'd win the damned thing all by myself. I was really high on myself. Then came the fatal word: picnic. Two hard cees...it had to be "picknick", of course. Not. Still, my "lone run" was so distinctive that I didn't feel at all bad about finally losing.

Fast forward three months. Another spelling bee. It was administered by the same teacher as the previous one, and guess what word she gave me on the first round. Yeah. I spelled it "picnick" for a humiliating early defeat.

The essential thing I learned from this experience was that if you screw up, find out exactly what you did wrong. Now, that teacher deliberately made me fail. She knew my weakness--and if she were alive today, I'd kiss her wrinkled old cheeks. Her lesson was worth far more than a sack of gold to me.

I doubt that there are any teachers like that in today's schools. The thought of deliberately embarrassing a child, of making him fail would be anathema. Today's educational philosophy is to provide an unbroken chain of successes for the pupils. But what can be learned when success is the only possible outcome of every endeavor? Why, that success comes without effort. That there is never a need to correct oneself, or to accept correction. Such people grow up into unteachable and useless adults.

Blogger DonReynolds May 23, 2018 6:04 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:DonReynolds wrote:There are always three ways to choose from....1) the way it was, 2) the way it is, and 3) an "improvement" on the way it is. Americans have tended to choose #3. Let's hope they continue to do so.

GADDAMN PROGRESSIVES!!!

You forgot 4) Pretend you're doing 3, but instead exploit the changes you force to arrogate more power, money, and control to yourself.

And 5) Try to do 3 and because MPAI, fuck it all up and make it substantially worse. Over and over again.

Your stupid assessment is exactly how we got to where we are.



My "stupid assessment" did not cause anything, nor did it get us to where we are today. Merely an observation.

One thing we can be sure about America....it will change and they will try to improve on the present mess.
You and I need to be terribly interested in what direction that change takes the country.
Change can be for the better or make it worse.
We know the difference, even if the Leftists do not.

Blogger Unknown May 23, 2018 6:11 PM  

Muslims believe faithfulness to the teachings of Mohammed will get them into Heaven. It's essentially a system of credits and debits with no way of knowing where they stand with God at any given time. They only find out on the Day of Judgement. It's an impossible standard with no assurance.

The universalism sometimes attributed to Islam is a rudimentary level of understanding of the faith. It relates to the claim that Islam is the final and therefore only revelation from God that matters - i.e. that only Muslims can go to Heaven. That doesn't mean they are assured of a place, they still need to earn it. Earning it is the whole point of Islam.

Anonymous Anonymous May 23, 2018 6:11 PM  

Looking Glass wrote:Given we lost 15 years of fMRI study data as viable, I think they're on to a topic, but I also don't believe there is anything to point to it being that harsh of a divide. (Far too many studies of "X part of the brain does Y" are really sketchy, mostly unrepeatable, and lean heavily on very specific scenarios.)


What did you mean by that first phrase? Some catastrophic computer crash wiped out a decade and a half of data? No backups?

I agree that most of the "watch x part of the brain light up when we do y" is just grant grabbing. In this case, the "research" serves as a pseudo-scientific springboard to launch a theory of education. That the theory is sound is beyond question--it's obvious stuff. But I guess nobody takes anything seriously these days unless it's "proven" by brain blinkenlights.

Blogger Avalanche May 23, 2018 6:14 PM  

A64 "And real PTSD is a horrible thing that has no effective therapy but time."

Check out Dr Peter Levine and his two astonishifg books: "In an Unspoken Voice: How the Body Releases Trauma and Restores Goodness" and
Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma." Brilliant amazing, and he's having a good deal of success with PTSD in soldiers (and others)! (Some YouTube vids too.)

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 23, 2018 6:21 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Unknown wrote:Muslims have no promise of reward and are never assured of a place in heaven.

This is false. Islam is Universalist. They believe everybody goes to heaven.


Are you sure about that, Snidely? Can you point to something in the koran? That doesn't sound like the story I was told.

Blogger Looking Glass May 23, 2018 7:49 PM  

@68 Sidehill Dodger

No one closely checked the code, so the statistical packages didn't process the data properly. It was a bottom story of the day a few years ago, when it's a really big one, given how big those data sets are. Though the fact no one caught it for so long does help explain the reason, in brain studies, that replication was such a problem.

If you can grasp Medical Literature, you realize pretty quickly they know practically nothing, yet we let them cut people open at a whim. (I'd wager 70% of the valuable human health information is not written down, but rests in the minds of a fairly small number of medical practitioners.)


@69 Avalanche

Thanks for the references, as the issues can be healed, so I'm curious what approach he's found. PTSD is actually a lot less complicated than people think: too much specific stress overwhelms the body's stress response system to the point it breaks in self-defense. Healing it is the part medicine has issues with. (It's doable, but not by the stupidity they use these days.)

And definitely agree with weka that the real thing is pretty horrible. It's a standard part of your brain's ability to cope with stress that's just been blown away.

@53 Solaire Of Astora

It's a little complex, but any single word or phrase chanting will eventually cause "Trance". Inducing Trance for any other purpose but undergoing surgery is a bad idea, as it releases a lot of dopamine & other "positive" neurotransmitters. Why is that a problem? Well, you become addicted to it, then you start doing it regularly.

The brain can only release so many neurotransmitters of a specific agonist/antagonist type before it starts having to degrade other parts of the body to support the energy & substrate load. Eastern or repetitive meditation approaches tend to lead someone to a place of Happy-Go-Lucky in all things, but have you ever dealt with someone like that when something important needs to happen?

Yes, it will break your brain, that it breaks in such a way as to make you a nonviolent, happy-go-lucky layabout is just the reason the practice never gets banned.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 23, 2018 7:57 PM  

Ominous Cowherd wrote:Are you sure about that, Snidely?
I did my research and it turns out I was wrong. Sorry for the distraction. Carry on.

Blogger SirHamster May 23, 2018 8:34 PM  

Unknown wrote:Christians have a promise of reward in Heaven because of the propitiation of sins by Christ's sacrifice on the cross. They are free to make mistakes as long as they repent and resolve to do better.

The promised reward in heaven is proportional to what the Christian gives up in this life in the process of following God's will.

There will also be those who approach Jesus and call him Lord in the afterlife only to be turned away for evildoing.

"free to make mistakes" doesn't describe it accurately. Sin != mistake, and one does not need propitiation of sins to be free to make mistakes.


In keeping with this new cognitive science, which of the above is better for learning?

Do you look to Muslim lands for learned thought? Are you asking this on a Muslim blog?

The Christian religion is better for learning, despite your word twisting.

Blogger Unknown May 23, 2018 8:49 PM  

Hamster will hamster. Missing the point as usual.

Blogger SirHamster May 23, 2018 9:46 PM  

Muh point!

Bad premise is bad.

Won't even address the historical difference between Muslim and Christian lands in learning. Weak point is weak.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 24, 2018 12:47 AM  

And the old maids can't stand little boys. That was my experience anyway.

Blogger Wynn Lloyd May 24, 2018 12:52 AM  

That's one of the most amazing things SJWs have ever produced.
The part where she tried to tell the Haitian guy raping her that she was a Malcolm X scholar. That was mind blowing. The level of delusion and lack of real world wisdom there.

https://www.europeanknightsproject.com/liberal-feminist-amanda-kijeras-haitian-adventure-rape-haiti-white-privilege/

Blogger Res Ipsa May 24, 2018 12:57 AM  

Vox,

If its possible I'd like to get a copy or a link to the original research that this post was based on. Maybe that could be a follow up piece. Thanks

Blogger SirHamster May 24, 2018 1:40 AM  

@78

Googling the technical phrase "medial prefrontal cortex is enabled by the dopaminergic reward seeking system" returned this, which looks like a match.

Published in April of 2018, so recent research.

Anonymous Anonymous May 24, 2018 2:46 AM  

This observation can also be broadened to the welfare state itself and the misunderstanding of how charity is supposed to work. The essence of charity is the taking of what is one's own and giving it to someone who has neither expectation nor claim to receive it. When something is promised to men, they adapt their behavior according to the guarantee in a way that doesn't happen when they can't count on being given the same benefit. If they are promised shelter, food, water, and amenities, without any requirement on their part, "unexpectedly" not only are such men usually more slothful, but there are suddenly a lot more of them showing up to receive the free goodies.

There is a similar destructive element in the Churchian idea that hell doesn't exist and heaven is where everybody's going anyway as a participation award for living. Nothing is so demotivating to living the Christian life than the message that paradise is assured. It also makes it real easy to abandon Christian teachings one after the other, the only limit being how far the people in charge think they can go before they drive the sane members of the congregation somewhere else.

Blogger Duke Norfolk May 24, 2018 6:51 AM  

weka wrote:And real PTSD is a horrible thing that has no effective therapy but time.

And I think that the most effective "therapies" have been shown to be doing something real. Most especially working with your hands in a real and productive way; i.e. farming, woodworking, etc. Not stewing in it with some psychologist in an office. But I don't have definitive info on this, it's just my impression of things that I've seen.

Blogger LibertyPortraits May 24, 2018 7:46 AM  

What do you mean by break the brain? Can you point me to some studies or elaborate further bc I have been dabbling in some meditation and it has seemed to help with stress and overthinking.

Blogger wreckage May 24, 2018 8:01 AM  

For the Islam debate, Islam posits that forgiveness can only be earned, and even then, not always. But everyone's a sinner, so the only way to deal with the certainty of damnation - without the relief of confession and forgiveness - is denial, projection, and for some, the promise of total atonement via "martyrdom".

The result is a ready supply of emotionally damaged recruits for the Jihad - precisely as intended.

That's why Islam can never be at peace. It is a cognitive-behavioural trap intended specifically to prevent that, and one of remarkable sophistication.

Blogger wreckage May 24, 2018 8:07 AM  

@82, it is my understanding that some of the meditative states are not intended as a sole state. Awareness or stillness meditation was mentioned. For most people in the modern age this won't be an issue. I don't know anything about "breakage", only that within their original network of custom and practice, they were not the solitary mental exercise.

Unlikely to be an issue I expect, but important to remember that total, long term immersion in either awareness or stillness as the sole mental exercise, is outside the normal practice.

Blogger Peter Gent May 24, 2018 9:18 AM  

cyrus83 wrote:...There is a similar destructive element in the Churchian idea that hell doesn't exist and heaven is where everybody's going anyway as a participation award for living.
Thank you for that insight. I think that goes a long way to explain the modern Christian failure to remake the culture into a more righteous one. Why bother, there is no real need for that hard work, since we are all getting the trophy at the end anyway. That has got to be one of the Devil's greatest slight of hands.

Blogger Looking Glass May 24, 2018 9:25 AM  

LibertyPortraits wrote:What do you mean by break the brain? Can you point me to some studies or elaborate further bc I have been dabbling in some meditation and it has seemed to help with stress and overthinking.

You can find case reports, but you'll be coming up short on studies. Basically, you can, through repeated practice, cull quite a lot of the "negative emotion" pathways in the brain by overusing the other ones via meditation. It takes time, but it would eventually happen. (It also works the other way. See someone that's perpetually angry, though they've done that for mental energy production.)

If you're looking for stress relief, look into breathing exercises. There's some good work out there on the topic that has helped a good number of people. There's no mystical aspect to it. It's all physiological manipulation to prevent nervous system cascade issues.

Blogger Peter Gent May 24, 2018 10:14 AM  

Unknown wrote:Ok, so riddle me this:

Christians have a promise of reward in Heaven because of the propitiation of sins by Christ's sacrifice on the cross. They are free to make mistakes as long as they repent and resolve to do better.

Muslims have no promise of reward and are never assured of a place in heaven. They are forever working for God's favor and never know for sure if they've done enough.

In keeping with this new cognitive science, which of the above is better for learning?

You seem to not understand Hebrews 12:3-11 that defines a significant truth in dealing with Christian learning and maturity, so I will quote you the whole thing.

"3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:

“My son, do not despise the [c]chastening of the Lord, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; 6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.”

7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it."

Blogger Tomislav Ostojich May 24, 2018 3:02 PM  

The study should be ignored. Appealing to the prefrontal medial cortex (hardware) to explain learning (software) is a category error.

And generally speaking, right-wing authoritarians and tories are failures at managing resources. This is why they prefer oil and coal (low-class and temporally bounded) over nuclear (requires analytical thinking and lasts forever).

Blogger SirHamster May 24, 2018 8:11 PM  

Tomislav Ostojich wrote:Appealing to the prefrontal medial cortex (hardware) to explain learning (software) is a category error.

That's nonsensical. Software depends on the hardware it runs on. Software uses the inputs the hardware provides it.

If the hardware generates a certain state that is available to the software, say an analog probability calculation result represented as a chemical concentration, then it can influence what the software does.

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