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Wednesday, May 02, 2018

Mailvox: speaking of gammas

Some of Jordan Peterson's fans have been leaving comments on yesterday's Darkstream. They are informative, to put it mildly.
  • You are clearly not efficient to understand the depth of Jordan. You look more like an autistic 13 year old.. old man that tries to get publicity points. That's why you are interested on Peterson. Isn't it? You just heard about Peterson few days ago and you were able to listen to his lectures? Probably not. You are too busy thinking how to get subscribers. Learn to be humble and recognize where you can move with your limited intellectual skill. What a pity. 
  • Jordan Peterson is very intelligent and has a very impressive resume. You are unimpressive and lie about having a high IQ. Let's see those SAT scores. 
  • [Vox] obviously took a standardized test and did not end up at a high quality university. He is the type of person who would definitely brag about membership in the Triple Nine Society or even Mensa, which accept college entrance scores for admission because those tests correlate to IQ. He is also a bully who is attacking the integrity of an extremely high quality person. So I am simply pointing out to his naive followers that it is extremely easy to prove an IQ score and that being called on this is Vox Day's worst fear. He will never provide proof and will block anybody who suggests it.
  • I don't care about JP's position on Jewish intelligence other than Vox Day's inability to articulate that position prior to attacking him. I'm not going to repeat the flaws in his reasoning that I've already posted on his last few videos. If there is a turd in the punchbowl, I'm not going to even discuss what is least impressive about the other ingredients. 
  • He should either show the data or stop using his IQ as though it were an argument. His lie about being in Mensa was disturbing in multiple ways, since they claim he's never been a member and also he apparently didn't know that they're only top 2%. He attended a lower tier liberal arts school, and he has lived a liberal arts life. I have dealt with high IQ people for decades, and other than perhaps the verbal section I see no signs that Vox Day is even in the ballpark.
  • Being a lunatic in his particular environment may be a good thing. If you are Bruce Wayne living among the lunatics of Gotham, putting on the mask may be the best way to deal with them. 
  • Big words for someone who has a habit of spamming anyone who expresses disagreement with his views on his blog. Methinks that Peterson would chew ya up in a real time debate though, unfortunately, we shall never witness such a debate for you are way bellow his level to warrant any attention from him.
To be clear, I was not only a member of Mensa, but was also a National Merit Semifinalist. I simply don't brag about either. (It's amusing how no one knows about Mensa since I ended my column; remember when mentioning that membership in my bio was inevitably equated with bragging about it?) I suppose it should come as no surprise that a supporter of the integrity-challenged Jordan Peterson would so readily resort to blatant and easily disproven lies. But not everyone was so angrily defensive, and it is apparent that at least some of Peterson's fans are beginning to see past the bilious haze of verbose bullshit that the man spews like a squid attempting to hide its retreat.
  • Doesn't this speak to the apparent truth that millions of people are mentally unhealthy then? Can we at least say then that Peterson's work is very important in helping unhealthy people step out of their illness and into a more functional existence? I'm not saying you're wrong about Peterson, in fact sadly I think you're right. But I'm more saying that if his philosophy is the "methadone" for heroin addicts, then is it alright to see it as such? I'll be the first to say if I was a "heroin addict" and that I'll take the "methadone" route in order to gain enough strength to take the next step. 
  • I was a fan before, but watching you take down that self righteous blowhard is worth the price of admission. "The baleful eye of the dark lord is fixed firmly upon Mr Peterson"
  • I've listened to a lot of JP and it got boring fast. If you've watched a semester of his lectures you've pretty much listened to everything he's said. Even his analysis of the bible mostly says all the same stuff but with slightly different context. Mostly he seems to reference Jung, Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn and Dostoevsky. Read them and you've pretty much read JP. Aside from quickly becoming repetitive he also always avoided the tough questions. Seemed like he was too busy going on a speaking tour than to flesh out his thoughts or do research so he could eventually answer those tough questions. I started to see him as being more intellectually lazy as time went on. Honestly he seems to be acting more and more like an SJW as people press him on these tough questions.
  • As an European and someone looking from the outside in... The fact that Sam Harris is considered a "public intellectual" in the US really makes me worry about what bar you guys set for "public intellectuals" and how low that bar is situated.
  • The biggest mistake that right-wingers make is elevate anyone who is not a complete sjw
I've read the first chapter of the 12 Rules for Life: The Crazy Man's Guide for Functioning in Society. I never do partial reviews, so I will not say more than to observe that if the man had written Who Moved My Cheese, it would have been longer than a George R.R. Martin novel.

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64 Comments:

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 02, 2018 12:33 PM  

HAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHA

GAMMAS HAHAHA AHAHA

Blogger Samuel Nock May 02, 2018 12:36 PM  

I’ve been going through the Harris-Peterson transcript, and found the following shiv from Harris that really must have sunk deep:

“Harris: I need to break in here Jordan because I just think you’re not noticing the price you're paying for redefining a word like truth and you know, ironically it's probably even a steeper price then what these gender pronoun maniacs are attempting to pay for asking that everyone use their favorite word to describe their identity.”

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 02, 2018 12:39 PM  

12 Rules for Life: The Crazy Man's Guide for Functioning in Society

Using that title would have at least been honest marketing.

Blogger electricsheeple May 02, 2018 12:41 PM  

Well a lot of these people are damaged and trying to put their lives back together and see JP as the anectdote to what ails them. So I think the attacks, although not right, are to be expected.

Plus his public persona is reminiscent of Jimmy Stewart, and nobody wants to see Jimmy Stewart attacked.

But when you start getting into the difficult discussions the mask starts to come off.


Someone should find Vox the youtube video where he decides to not allow Faith Goldy onto a panel bc she is alt right.


There are also videos where he shows contempt for those who disagree with him on the JQ.

As much as all of us would like to see this thing escalate into a well moderated debate (moderated by Stefan ideally) to flesh out all the ideas, I believe JP will not engage in debate with the Alt Right.

The SJWs are such low hanging fruit at this stage in the game.

Blogger The Lizard King May 02, 2018 12:46 PM  

I have actually found the last few days here to be interesting. While I do enjoy listening to JPs lectures, I find it refreshing to actually hear criticism of JP from right-wingers, most people who dislike him usually come from your typical SJW perspective and come with your run-of-the-mill complaints. So don't worry, Vox Day, you haven't lost a reader speaking up about JP.

Seeing you wearing a World Of Warcraft Alliance t-shirt on a darkstream however... How could you do this?!

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener May 02, 2018 12:47 PM  

I'm just gonna leave this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DruXykiH5V8

Blogger James Dixon May 02, 2018 12:49 PM  

> [Vox] obviously took a standardized test and did not end up at a high quality university.

They've obviously never checked the SAT scores for Bucknell. "The estimated average SAT composite for admitted freshman is 1350..."

> ...and see JP as the anectdote to what ails them.

I suspect you meant antidote, but that works even better.

Blogger VD May 02, 2018 12:54 PM  

As much as all of us would like to see this thing escalate into a well moderated debate (moderated by Stefan ideally) to flesh out all the ideas, I believe JP will not engage in debate with the Alt Right.

Of course not. Being a Gamma, Peterson will run away from anyone who threatens to expose him. He knows he's vulnerable there. I expect that as I uncover more of his vulnerabilities, he will become increasingly unwilling to talk to anyone, because he won't know who is going to ask him about his other flaws concerning less controversial issues.

Blogger Bodo Staron May 02, 2018 12:54 PM  

Some of the issues I came to notice (in no particular order).

* What made him famous was his opposition to using gender pronouns (the fake ones) if the state mandates it. He repeatedly stated to use them if someone wants to be named "them" or whatever. Incoherent.

* Opposed to identity politics in general. Not just the made up stuff the left is using. No ANY identity politics.

* He shat on Faith Goldy.

Blogger VD May 02, 2018 12:55 PM  

Seeing you wearing a World Of Warcraft Alliance t-shirt on a darkstream however... How could you do this?!

Oh, it's much worse than that. I am a bona fide Hero of the Alliance. My record as a general in Alterac Valley was 55-5.

Blogger Teleros May 02, 2018 12:58 PM  

electricsheeple wrote:Someone should find Vox the youtube video where he decides to not allow Faith Goldy onto a panel bc she is alt right.

Here we go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8zLcMGCedA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmab5olDcQs

Blogger Cecil Henry May 02, 2018 1:00 PM  

I wish this was from the ONion, but it seems its NOT:

Uggh, how embarrassing.

Ben Shapiro to launch ‘Sunday Exclusive’ podcasts with Jordan B. Peterson interview - http://j.mp/2FxWCoP - @washtimes

Blogger Teleros May 02, 2018 1:02 PM  

VD wrote:Oh, it's much worse than that. I am a bona fide Hero of the Alliance. My record as a general in Alterac Valley was 55-5.

Always knew you were a sensible one ;) . I don't know if you've seen the storyline of WoW since Wrath came out in 2008 (to say nothing of Sylvanas apologists) but... well if anyone needs a title for a film about the "refugee" crisis, may I suggest Tides of Darkness?

Blogger electricsheeple May 02, 2018 1:03 PM  

Great work Teleros!

Blogger Nate May 02, 2018 1:04 PM  

Jesus Christ... reading this crap... I mean I need a butthurt 20-something translator.

Best I can tell its all just different ways of saying the exact same thing...

"You have given mindhurt and feelbad. Also cruel."

i mean damn people. Jordan Peterson is great on a lot of topics. Communism... the Progs strategy of using language as a form of control. He is good on all that stuff. But that doesn't make him infallible. it also doesn't make him universally brilliant.

I mean I know it must seem truely rare for you kids to see someone say these things. But these things are not secret truths. You don't need to be a genius to know that boys and girls are actually different in almost every way possible.

Vox is saying Jordan is broken. No shit. He's in the field of psychology. Everyone in the field of psychology is broken. All of them. They are basically picked for it.

Blogger Lovekraft May 02, 2018 1:08 PM  

I've mentioned earlier that it's important to point this out:

that Peterson rails against institutional power and the Political Correct cultural marxism that dictates who gets to determine 'truth.'

So whenever one of his acolytes criticizes VD, it demonstrates that they are quite oblivious to this.

IF they support Peterson, THEN they would welcome inquiry into his teachings.

Blogger The Lizard King May 02, 2018 1:10 PM  

@VD

I know being off-topic is against the rules, but at the risk of post deletion, I have to say I am surprised at you being Alliance. I thought Horde would be more your style (at least as it was around WC3 and vanilla WoW). When did you play WoW, exactly? My understanding is that modern WoW has made the Horde far more of a clear cut villain faction (Sylvanas as Warchief makes me wanna puke).

Blogger R Webfoot May 02, 2018 1:12 PM  

"* Opposed to identity politics in general. Not just the made up stuff the left is using. No ANY identity politics."

He is rather an individualist absolutist. Individual self-transformation, to him, is the core of what Christianity and Western Civilization is really about; he thinks the best way to avert catastrophe is to spread as widely as possible his message of individual transformation.

Which is not all wrong. People who are depressed and depraved make terrible long-term decisions, and Leftism can more easily use them or suppress them. But healthy, sane individuals are still social creatures, and will need at the very least to look around them and notice who is playing by civilized rules and who is not, and he misses that because Nazis.

Blogger VD May 02, 2018 1:13 PM  

I know being off-topic is against the rules, but at the risk of post deletion, I have to say I am surprised at you being Alliance.

For the Dwarves!

I played Vanilla, Burning Crusade, and about half of Lich King. Got bored halfway through that, as the only thing I really loved was Alterac Valley multiplayer. The Void whatever was boring and I had no interest in the Arena fighting.

Blogger VD May 02, 2018 1:14 PM  

Vox is saying Jordan is broken. No shit.

That's true, but more importantly, I am saying his core philosophy and his larger message are broken and evil.

If he helps you get back on your feet, great. But you're going to have to abandon him then.

Blogger select star May 02, 2018 1:19 PM  

"You are clearly not efficient to understand the depth of Jordan..."

BWAHAHAHA! Proof Vox has a sense of humor.

"So I will not say more than to observe that if the man had written Who Moved My Cheese, it would have been longer than a George R.R. Martin novel."

Polonius:
My liege, and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
What day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day, and time;
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief. Your noble son is mad. . . .
Hamlet Act 2, scene 2, 86–92

Blogger The Lizard King May 02, 2018 1:19 PM  

@VD

Interesting, I had something of a similiar experience. Played from the beta until the first day of Lich King where I realized I actually hated the MMO genrer. I also prefered to play PVP, though I played Arathi Basin and Warsong Gulch.

Tauren all the way for me however. Glad to hear you played Dwarves out of all the Alliance races.

Blogger electricsheeple May 02, 2018 1:20 PM  

Nate: "i mean damn people. Jordan Peterson is great on a lot of topics. Communism... the Progs strategy of using language as a form of control. He is good on all that stuff. But that doesn't make him infallible. it also doesn't make him universally brilliant."brilliant."


I feel like the stuff he's good was the stuff that was already fleshed out in 2016. Vox has written 2 books on SJWs. Many in the Alt Right and Alt Lite have used their platforms destroying their ideas. And us common folk have done our part in the meme wars.


It feels antiquated to be putting people on a pedestal in 2018 for attacking Communism and SJWs. We have a complete blue print for all that already.

I believe 2018 and going forward is about how do we win the hearts and minds of people for Nationalism.

He's not on our side for that.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 02, 2018 1:26 PM  

I wish this was from the ONion, but it seems its NOT:

Uggh, how embarrassing.

Ben Shapiro to launch ‘Sunday Exclusive’ podcasts with Jordan B. Peterson interview - http://j.mp/2FxWCoP - @washtimes


@12 Cecil Henry
Good lord... as Stg said up above:

"HAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHA

GAMMAS HAHAHA AHAHA"

Blogger select star May 02, 2018 1:28 PM  

"The lady(Gammas) doth protest too much, methinks."

Blogger ace May 02, 2018 1:30 PM  

@Samuel
Brutal.

I was never hostile to kermit, but I did watch one of his lectures where he touched on the subject of IQ in a way that was somewhat obfuscatory. From that point on I really wasn't that interested in consuming more of his work. I never really liked his speaking style, it struck me as intellectually theatrical, but I figured that was just another point in his favor as a rhetorician. I thought he was an asset, rhetorically speaking, and was in any case pointed in the other direction.

I'll have to reconsider that uninformed opinion.

Blogger Peter Gent May 02, 2018 1:30 PM  

They appeared to be mostly ad homeniem attacks roughly saying my guru is better and your guru sucks, so there! Did anyone address a substantive point in defense of Peterson?

Blogger Eli May 02, 2018 1:35 PM  

Hey, at least none of those comments you posted mentioned that you were jealous of him. Of course they said other stupid things, but that's improvement right? This is nearly a daily occurrence for you isn't it? Getting flack from morons.

Never a dull moment around here.

Blogger Disciple of Kek May 02, 2018 1:42 PM  

I liked Peterson for a time. His criticism on SJWs and communism was refreshing. I also enjoyed his interpretation of Christian stories, unpacking some of the symbolism and adding meaning. For instance, he mentions that it was Eve that got Adam to eat the fruit which made him self conscious and ashamed before God. I can really relate to that, as my girlfriend has helped made me aware of my flaws. Few things have inspired me to work on myself as much as being aware that I'm not as good a person as I once naively believed.

That being said, his response to the JQ is either intentionally dishonest or him trying to rationalize a belief that is unsubstaniated, thus unintentionally intellectually dishonest. I suspect it is more the later, but I don't know and frankly I don't care. I think he is charismatic and entertaining as a speaker, but his 12 Rules book reads like a bunch of tangents and half baked ideas thrown together. Then seeing that he denies objective truth (was news to me)... now i know it is time to move on. Our subjective "essence" may stem from our objective existence, as existentialists claim, but they miss the underlying essence that preceded existence which precedes interpreted "essence."

Transcendent, objective essence precedes existence. From existence, we do create or at least remix our own subjective essence. However, IMO the goal here is to get our subjective life in harmony with our existence and the creative essence of being (i.e. God).

Blogger Justin Bailey May 02, 2018 1:53 PM  

Jordan Peterson reminds me of Liddle Benji Shapiro. He has some good clips and quips, but ultimately they are not on our side. I’m extremely leery of the new found love for Kanye recently for the same reason.

Blogger Crew May 02, 2018 1:54 PM  

I can really relate to that, as my girlfriend has helped made me aware of my flaws.

Do you mean she made you aware of things that she does not like about you and has helped you become more like a woman?

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 02, 2018 2:19 PM  

Disciple of Kek,

Did you seriously just type that cuck shit with that handle? Your woman has made you aware of your flaws???

Good Lord I'd put a two by four to the side of your head if I could.

Blogger Vox's Video Editor May 02, 2018 2:24 PM  

Being a Gamma, Peterson will run away from anyone who threatens to expose him. He knows he's vulnerable there.

I suspect that is why he reacted with the harsh rhetoric to Adam Piggot, who questioned his alphahood. I don't think it was Piggot's 'anti-semitism' that upset him so.

Blogger FUBARwest May 02, 2018 2:26 PM  

"Hey, at least none of those comments you posted mentioned that you were jealous of him. Of course they said other stupid things, but that's improvement right? This is nearly a daily occurrence for you isn't it? Getting flack from morons."

You should see them sperg out over this on kiwifarms. They haven't graduated past the jealousy phase yet.

OT Vox... How could you!?! FOR THE HORDE

Blogger Dave May 02, 2018 2:27 PM  

So don't worry, Vox Day, you haven't lost a reader speaking up about JP.

Trust us regular readers and commenters when we tell you that one of the reasons we're here is because we know that thought has never been a consideration for Vox.
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I never do partial reviews, so I will not say more than to observe that if the man had written Who Moved My Cheese, it would have been longer than a George R.R. Martin novel.

This is another reason we're here, for comments like this.
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Vox, please be sure to comment on the Ethan van Sciver illustrations or cartoons. As you know, insane people tried to get DC to fire Ethan for working with Peterson. Does it even hold a candle to what you did with the cartoons in SJWAL and SJWDD?

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 02, 2018 2:50 PM  

Crew wrote:Do you mean she made you aware of things that she does not like about you and has helped you become more like a woman?

Your woman can help you learn to be a better man. Crew's guess explains how women try to do that, and that method obviously doesn't work.

Blogger Jake May 02, 2018 2:51 PM  

I recently watched an interview with Jordan Peterson on the Rubin Report, with - you guessed it - little Ben Shapiro. Get this @Vox: He mentioned numerous concepts from William James' great work, "The Varieties of Religious Experience." He even used the exact phrase, "varieties of religious experience." Did he credit William James even once? Nope. Not once. I started to realize then that he is a lot less than he pretends to be. He's a regurgitator of the ideas of others. He popularizes pablum. He panders to liberalism. Egad.

Blogger Michael Kingswood May 02, 2018 3:12 PM  

I'm very interested to see what you have to say about "12 Rules For Life" once you've finished it, Vox. I just finished it a week or so ago. Thought he had some good insights in there. His notions of spirituality (for lack of a better term) are definitely more material and evolutionary-based than Christian, but I didn't get the relativism that you did from his first book (I haven't read that one). Could be his views have shifted over the years (whose haven't?), or could be I missed it.

Blogger Daniel Bendele May 02, 2018 3:22 PM  

Slightly OT: But since we're on the topic of philosophy and religion etc. Are there any contemporary Christian preachers, leaders, philosophers that you recommend? I've had a really hard time finding a Church that isn't cucked. I read the classics regularly, just wondering if there is anyone alive that you would recommend?

Anonymous Anonymous May 02, 2018 4:15 PM  

VD is Jew-wise

JP is a shabbatz goy.

game over,

VD wins.

Blogger Damn Crackers May 02, 2018 4:24 PM  

A Canadian dime store Leo Buscaglia.

Blogger Assyrian Nationalist May 02, 2018 4:26 PM  

The Inquisitor Lord's investigation continues unabated.

Blogger artensoll May 02, 2018 4:37 PM  

Vox: "bilious haze of verbose bullshit that the man spews like a squid attempting to hide its retreat."

Elegant. Just trips off the tongue. Lovely.

Blogger S'mon May 02, 2018 4:40 PM  

" I will not say more than to observe that if the man had written Who Moved My Cheese, it would have been longer than a George R.R. Martin novel."

Heh. I'm bogged down a few chapters in. Yes it is incredibly verbose for an instruction manual.

Personally I'm not that far off Peterson psychologically (been getting some anxiety/depression recently), so some of his rules like "do one thing every day to make things better" I am certainly finding useful.

Blogger Mr. Deficient May 02, 2018 5:02 PM  

@39 you could try jay dyer and faithandheritage.com. Jay is smart but stupidly wordy. He is also Orthodox with alt right leanings.

Blogger Flair1239 May 02, 2018 5:09 PM  

That’s because he is not a relativist. He believes reality exists. He believes that reality is objective.

He believes that subjectivity is introduced because of limitations of perception. Simplified it is “we see what we need to”. He has a blurb on snake identification where he goes through this.

I am sure there are legitimate criticisms, Sam Harris went around with him on some stuff... but relativism is not one of those issues.

Blogger tublecane May 02, 2018 5:15 PM  

OT, but also gamma: Li'l Ben Shapiro is playing Bill Buckley to Alex Jones' Robert Welch and telling black Trump enthusiasts not to talk to InfoWars. Even alt-lite and civic nationalists are all over him for it.

Blogger LP999-16 May 02, 2018 5:18 PM  

As I've stated, I listened to Roy Masters whom is opposite to JP, its interesting but I opt towards books if possible.

"Mostly he seems to reference Jung, Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn and Dostoevsky. Read them and you've pretty much read JP."

Correct but he ref's others into Disney for learning purposes which was my red flag however to pick out some thing that helps, fair enough.

To fans and followers of JP:

when helped or when you find something worded a certain way to help you, great but like a medication say for pain, with physical therapy you wont need the pain mgmt or therapy b/c simple physical therapy helped you heal or changed/repaired your mind and body for the better. Then leave the nest or circle so to speak.

That is another way of trying to explain to young people what Vox said, remember, many of the lectures are intros for young people whom's pre frontal cortex isn't mature yet so for the hurting, the broken those with panic etc. the young pple whom are lost in life or "feel" dark feelings, you can heal from such traumas and then leave 'care'.

It is sad for others to remain in care for a lifetime.

Did anyone else notice JP's publisher also took on Lauren and David Hogg's book?

Given I do not apply judge one by the company they keep at all times, I just noted that - I think its the same pub to my memory.

The initial comments Vox posted do not understand Vox is not attacking JP he's -obversing and analyzing-, all b/c "you dont understand or agree" does not mean Vox is wrong, meeaaann, crazy or stupid.

Also I cannot stress enough, personal attacks are not arguments, being snarky isn't helpful, Vox is not out to attack, something dishonest and incorrect arose and that error in thinking is something I think Voxt would address swiftly especially since Vox had to mention he and Stefan had a talk or some emails RE this matter which is basically back to the Jewish matter.

Again not to repeat myself or judge via kept company, JP, Beck, Ben, Rubin, Rogan all have spoken, so make what you will of that. JP is doing radio or video book tours so its expected.

Blogger LP999-16 May 02, 2018 5:19 PM  

47 This week Alex Jones trolled Ben Shap. LOL.

Blogger Solaire Of Astora May 02, 2018 5:19 PM  

@37. Jake

I've recognized the same thing with Peterson in other cases. He loves using ideas without attribution. I'm not sure if he is trying to build himself a legend or if he's just subconsciously doing it. Another interesting thing from that interview was how Shapiro acted around Peterson. Ben was a lot less forward in his own assertions than normal (with some obvious bluffing) and it was subtly informative about both of them.

Blogger VD May 02, 2018 5:25 PM  

That’s because he is not a relativist. He believes reality exists. He believes that reality is objective.

The perception dodge isn't going to help him at all. Just stop trying to preemptively defend him and explain him. I will make my case. Then you can try to tear it down.

All you are accomplishing now is showing me where some of the obvious flaws are. You don't seem to realize that I am nearly as smart as Peterson and I am considerably more focused and ruthless than he could ever be.

Blogger SirHamster May 02, 2018 5:44 PM  

@Vox,

While speaking of Peterson fans who are changing their mind, you listed this quote:

I was a fan before, but watching you take down that self righteous blowhard is worth the price of admission. "The baleful eye of the dark lord is fixed firmly upon Mr Peterson"

I understood him to mean that he was a fan of you, not Peterson.

Blogger LP999-16 May 02, 2018 5:50 PM  

47 "Rebranding liberal humanism" is what Alex called it today, he must be reading up on the JP issue taking notice to the Atlantic coming to JP's side or defense.
Meanwhile Ben, Candace fight at twitter CC'ing Kanye West as Mark Dice and Alex placed Ben into his place.

Hilarious.

51 Ruthless because the truth is at stake!

You will be highly disappointed in JP's book, I already read it, my mil'len friend from our monthly the 8th Trump parties gave me her copy, thank you for bringing murky matters or psy-evo-loon charades to light.

Blogger Flair1239 May 02, 2018 6:06 PM  

I don’t doubt it.

I am not defending as much as Iam regurgitating what I have heard him say. Which is one of my concerns in this whole ordeal. I think you would have a better handle on him by watching the 2017 Maps of Meaning lectures or Personalities and Transformations. I have not read 12 rules yet, but I would imagine it reads at a lower level than his classroom work.

That said, point taken... I’ll shut up for a while.

Blogger tublecane May 02, 2018 6:15 PM  

@37- My only exposure to Peterson before the Jewish Question kerfuffle was that BBC interview. Everything afterwards has been excerpts and secondhand information, so take this with a grain of salt.

Others bring up Jung, but I never delved into much of him. Peterson screams pragmatism to me. Which I don't consider a good thing.

William James at least is humane and a profound thinker. Peterson comes off more like John Dewey, who is one of the worst writers among supposedly great intellectual figures I've read. Total gobbledygook.

Blogger VD May 02, 2018 6:34 PM  

I am not defending as much as Iam regurgitating what I have heard him say. Which is one of my concerns in this whole ordeal. I think you would have a better handle on him by watching the 2017 Maps of Meaning lectures or Personalities and Transformations.

No, you are regurgitating what you THINK you have heard him say. One of the things I have noticed is that for every two Peterson fans, there are three definitions of a single term he has used.

And for the Nth time, I don't watch videos. It is a rhetorical medium. If you can direct me to the transcripts of those lectures, that would actually be useful.

Blogger FP May 02, 2018 6:39 PM  

OT: Heh, TinyBenShapiro vs AJ live:

https://twitter.com/groyper1017/status/991741773838942209

Blogger tublecane May 02, 2018 6:58 PM  

@56- "for every two Peterson fans, there are three definitions of a single term he has used."

I've been perusing Peterson's Twitter feed, and conclude he has a severe case of Quotation Mark Disorder. He uses them constantly, and for perfectly common words and phrases.

That is a major tell that he doesn't have definite ideas to convey. He's lost in a linguistic forest of mirrors.

Blogger Daniel Bendele May 02, 2018 7:21 PM  

Mr. Deficient wrote:@39 you could try jay dyer and faithandheritage.com. Jay is smart but stupidly wordy. He is also Orthodox with alt right leanings.

Thank you! Will check him out.

Blogger James Dixon May 02, 2018 7:29 PM  

> That’s because he is not a relativist. He believes reality exists. He believes that reality is objective. ... He believes that subjectivity is introduced because of limitations of perception.

Then he's misusing "live". By definition we live in the objective reality. What we perceive/experience is subjective to one degree or another, but no one with any sense has ever denied that.

Blogger TypingJourneyman May 02, 2018 8:36 PM  

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Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) May 03, 2018 2:43 AM  

Doesn't this speak to the apparent truth that millions of people are mentally unhealthy then?



duh?

Blogger wreckage May 03, 2018 3:45 AM  

OT, of course Vox is a dwarf.

@50 I always took that to be Peterson's nature as an intellectual bowerbird, collecting all the shiny things. That's how he works, he gets bits and bits and bits and weaves them together, looking for the pattern. But that's just my impression from a couple of videos.

Blogger Ingot9455 May 03, 2018 5:14 PM  

I mean, I knew Vox was a tactical genius before, but to have led Alliance teams to actual PvP victory? Case closed.

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