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Tuesday, May 15, 2018

Massive immigrant fraud in Minnesota

Somalis and other African immigrants in Minnesota sent more than $100 million in welfare-provided cash back to Africa:
Last year, more than $100 million in cash left the Twin Cities airport in carry-on luggage, bound for the Middle East and Africa: As Kerns dug deeper, he found that some of the individuals who were sending out tens of thousands of dollars’ worth of remittance payments happened to be on government assistance in this country.

How could they possibly come up with such big bucks to transfer back home?

“We had sources that told us, ‘It’s welfare fraud, it’s all about the daycare,’” said Kerns.

Five years ago the Fox 9 Investigators were first to report that daycare fraud was on the rise in Minnesota, exposing how some businesses were gaming the system to steal millions in government subsidies meant to help low-income families with their childcare expenses.

“It’s a great way to make some money,” Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said.

In order for the scheme to work, the daycare centers need to sign up low income families that qualify for child care assistance funding. Surveillance videos from a case prosecuted by Hennepin County show parents checking their kids into a center, only to leave with them a few minutes later. Sometimes, no children would show up. Either way, the center would bill the state for a full day of childcare.

Video from that same case shows a man handing out envelopes of what are believed to be kickback payments to parents who are in on the fraud.
It absolutely boggles my mind that anyone is still able to publicly subscribe to any form of civic nationalism at this point. How can anyone possibly believe that a people who are capable of engaging in this behavior on such a massive scale are even remotely capable of living in peace and mutual harmony with other people who would never even imagine doing such a thing?

And how can anyone imagine that there is going to be any outcome that does not eventually involve a considerable amount of bloodshed, ethnic cleansing, and other serious unpleasantries, given the entire written history of human behavior?

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Blogger Avalanche May 15, 2018 8:08 AM  

No surprise -- not the about the horrid thieving abusers and not the 'pathologically altruistic' Americans! (Well, except no one ever ASKED the Americans if they wanted an invasion by poisonous locusts, did they?!

Blogger Teleros May 15, 2018 8:09 AM  

It absolutely boggles my mind that anyone is still able to publicly subscribe to any form of civic nationalism at this point. How can anyone possibly believe that a people who are capable of engaging in this behavior on such a massive scale are even remotely capable of living in peace and mutual harmony with other people who would never even imagine doing such a thing?

Oh that's just those particular individuals, Vox. All those other Somalis are good, upstanding fellow American citizens who are going to vote Republican any day now, you watch. We're all individuals you know, and like Jordan Peterson said, radical individualism is the only way to save the West. Or something.

t. Sargon

Blogger Bobo #117 May 15, 2018 8:23 AM  

If $100m is going back to Africa, just think how much is floating CentAmerica...

Blogger Stg58/Animal Mother May 15, 2018 8:29 AM  

Hilarious watching Jeff Weaver, Bernie's campaign manager, say with a straight face that the WH is in disarray, Trump's corporate insider White House is looting the country, and that the economy is a disaster.

Similar levels of delusion here. This scam is being run by the smartest of the Somalis that came here.

Blogger Peter Gent May 15, 2018 8:33 AM  

Numerous sources have pointed out that Mexico alone gets 23 billion a year from illegals (called migrants in the article below) in the U.S.

See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271455/Revealed-How-immigrants-America-sending-120-BILLION-struggling-families-home.html

Blogger Nathan Bissonette May 15, 2018 8:33 AM  

Loved this bit: the scam is so widely known that people bought shares in the daycares to get a cut of the massive profits. Capitalism funded by socialism for a change!

Blogger Dr Caveman May 15, 2018 8:39 AM  

And of course these new Americans will gladly vote Democrat in order to keep the scheme running
Everyone involved in this fraud should be deported

Blogger James Dixon May 15, 2018 8:53 AM  

> And how can anyone imagine that there is going to be any outcome that does not eventually involve a considerable amount of bloodshed, ethnic cleansing, and other serious unpleasantries, given the entire written history of human behavior?

MPAI.

Blogger Robert What? May 15, 2018 8:54 AM  

My prediction: nothing will be done about this because that would be, you know, racist. They may even let it continue. After all it's just the tax money from suckers like us. And the government is collecting record tax revenues, don't you know.

Blogger Ledford Ledford May 15, 2018 8:55 AM  

Forcing these proud people to personally fly to Somalia with their cash is inhuman. It separates families, stigmatizes immigrants, and unnecessarily burdens the already overstretched TSA.

Childcare assistance funds should be sent directly to the extended families of the recipients in their home countries. Family values don't end at the airport.

OpenID purpletigerbot May 15, 2018 8:55 AM  

Ton of schemes seen in minority communities of all colors: lots of underreporting of incomes, daisy chaining in elderly relatives solely for benefits etc etc The Africans/Latinos/Asians all play these games, but where the Asians stand out is with the sophisticated white collar tech theft which probably has cost us trillions !!! over the past 50 years.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) May 15, 2018 8:55 AM  

VD
How can anyone possibly believe that a people who are capable of engaging in this behavior on such a massive scale are even remotely capable of living in peace and mutual harmony with other people who would never even imagine doing such a thing?


it's not meant to be "Peace", it's an overt act of war.

by Marxist Communists.

it was a century ago that Lenin prescribed this as a strategy:
"The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."


day care fraud serves to drive up the Minnesota annual budget, which drives future tax increases.

higher annual expenditures, especially given the deficit spending habits of the modern State(s), help to expand the Money Supply ( drive inflation ) via the Fractional Reserve system.

all of this is, of course, denied by the Marxists.

Blogger Looking Glass May 15, 2018 9:05 AM  

@12 bob kek mando

It also ships out certain aspects of Inflation that would hurt the elites. That's the subtle driver for certain factions.

Blogger Al Du Clur May 15, 2018 9:06 AM  

In Africa people feel an obligation to steal from employers to aid family. This obviously applies to receiving charity. There is no social contract between Africans and the state only with their family. The traditional population are just chumps who can be fleeced.

Blogger pyrrhus May 15, 2018 9:09 AM  

There is probably a comparable level of fraud with respect to food stamps, and possibly Medicaid....In NYC, both are off the charts...

Blogger pyrrhus May 15, 2018 9:13 AM  

Of course, it would be expecting too much for Congress to pass a remittance tax, or do anything else about the massive Medicare and Medicaid fraud that is ongoing.

Blogger CarpeOro May 15, 2018 9:21 AM  

Just another reason to tear down the welfare state. "But think of the children - you wouldn't penalize them for their parents mistakes?" The current welfare state is an assault against children. It teaches them that poor choices are easier and have no real downside. That the world owes them a minimum of car, entertainment, food and housing - and that some hard working chumps will pay for it and feel guilty about not giving them more. It robs them of ambition, it robs them of pride in accomplishment, it robs them of self respect. The Left and establishment Right say that doing away with it would be brutal on the children and "the poor". That private assistance by churches or (theoretically no religious affiliated groups) is insufficient to meet the need, or would be "demeaning". The truth is that the current system has never prevented starvation. Homelessness still exists. What used to be a temporary state of destitution for some has become permanent for many. Immigrants, legal and otherwise, knew they would have to work to earn the bounty of America, or at least were swiftly educated in the fact. Now many come to become parasites on the American dream. They truly are wretched refuse and are not welcome.

Blogger rumpole5 May 15, 2018 9:29 AM  

Cash has a distictive smell. Training some dogs at the airport would catch many of these suitcases. As for the wire remittances, it is time to put a tax on them and reduce our income and local sales taxes accordingly.

Blogger Ceerilan May 15, 2018 9:35 AM  

It's obviously time not only to deport people of Somali culture, but those of Marxist culture as well.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2018 9:42 AM  

"If $100m is going back to Africa, just think how much is floating CentAmerica..."

You haven't even begun to notice.

If you think that's bad, realize that military development in such illustrious locations as China and Russia, among myriad others, has been funded by development loans from the world bank and IMF, all of which are guaranteed by the USG and "Federal" Reserve, and none of which have any likelihood whatsoever of being repaid.

Yes, the US citizen has not ceased in funding enemy military buildup via both taxes and inflation since before the end of the cold war.

Blogger TM Lutas May 15, 2018 9:55 AM  

When you don't enforce the law, you have lawbreaking. Make it absolutely clear that you will get deported for this stuff and that the daycare center can reduce its penalty by rolling on the parents and you'll find this particular crime evaporating.

Poor enforcement of existing law by the government does not say one thing or another about the propensity of bad acts by immigrants. If a few simple, inexpensive adjustments by prosecutors and police would significantly fix the problem, reducing immigration instead isn't a winning policy. You're going to have to find some other reason to justify your a priori policy preference.

The government should be facing hard questions why it does not deport welfare frauds and why it does not cooperate with state prosecutors to find such cases. If the problem is a sanctuary jurisdiction, estimate the welfare fraud losses and notify the poor where the generosity of the American people is actually going and how sanctuary policies are making the problem worse.

Blogger JACIII May 15, 2018 9:59 AM  

The boomers will all be shocked to hear of this. And then they will be shocked again at the next example of remarkably aberrant african behavior. And the next. And the next. And they won't adjust their model (currently emulating 1970 America).

Because they're STUPID!

OpenID widlast May 15, 2018 10:02 AM  

Christ said it rather plainly "if they will not work let them not eat".

End welfare.

Blogger JACIII May 15, 2018 10:05 AM  

TM Lutas wrote:When you don't enforce the law, you have lawbreaking. Make it absolutely clear that you will get deported for this stuff and that the daycare center can reduce its penalty by rolling on the parents and you'll find this particular crime evaporating.

Poor enforcement of existing law by the government does not say one thing or another about the propensity of bad acts by immigrants. -----


If you haven't figured out, yet, this is how the third world works, whether it resides in Africa or Minnesota, there's no hope for you. Where you have Africans you have Africa. No exceptions.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2018 10:07 AM  

"Where you have Africans you have Africa. No exceptions."

DING!

Blogger Longtime Lurker May 15, 2018 10:09 AM  

And Democrats wonder why they are losing loyalty in Minnesota.

Blogger Brick Hardslab May 15, 2018 10:12 AM  

When I worked for DSHS it was a scam a day. Really several scams a day but usually of a couple of obvious types.

The system is not meant for honest types. They won't get enough to get by but scammers? They'll do fine.

I've had folks impersonating their family members, giving false income reports, giving false expense reports, reporting people who did not live in their home as residents, not reporting people who lived in their homes, applying for benefits in another town to get double benefits (that is a stupid move since you know benefits nation wide), trying to hide assets, massive criminal schemes to make money on the side, (everything from cock fighting to growing opium poppies).

I've seen them use Food Stamps to buy everything from smokes, gas and booze to lottery tickets and sneakers.

My wife as a teller at a bank saw people in new caddies and fur coats depositing welfare checks in their money market accounts.

The sad ones are the honest citizens who really need it. Without fraud we'd probably be able to really help people who needed it. For those people churches, friends and family are usually more reliable and generous.

Blogger Peaceful Poster May 15, 2018 10:18 AM  

Many Muslim men make a living by having their five secret sharia wives each collect welfare as "single" mothers.

OpenID Rusty May 15, 2018 10:27 AM  

And Garrison Keillor is a rapist.

Blogger TM Lutas May 15, 2018 10:27 AM  

@24 Assuming you are correct, my policy suggestion would remove all the Africans. Assuming you are in error, it would leave a percentage of honest, hard working Africans. I don't mind either outcome. Do you?

If African immigrants want to conduct themselves well, then we should act accordingly. If they want to conduct themselves badly, then we should act accordingly.

Diversity for its own sake is a crock. Homogeneity for its own sake is a crock. Behavior should inform response. That last bit used to be expensive to do and we only did as much of it as we could afford. With the information revolution it is becoming less expensive so we should be doing more reaction to individual behavior and less judging on group characteristic trends without taking the time and effort to judge individually.

Blogger Giraffe May 15, 2018 10:27 AM  

"How can anyone possibly believe that a people who are capable of engaging in this behavior on such a massive scale are even remotely capable of living in peace and mutual harmony with other people who would never even imagine doing such a thing?"

I think that there are fewer people "who would never even imagine doing such a thing" than there were when you lived here. The system is ripe for abuse, and the bureaucrats don't care.

Your point stands, they have to go back. But the left loves these programs and I believe the left loves the fraud. They buy votes, or get paid for votes, and they don't want to send reliable Democrat voters home.

People are playing the disability game:

http://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/

TLDR: Minnesota only pretends to care.

Blogger Giraffe May 15, 2018 10:30 AM  

Where you have Africans you have Africa.

That's probably the only hope. If the white deadbeats can't find a nipple because the Africans took them all, maybe they will be in favor of repatriation.

Blogger TM Lutas May 15, 2018 10:32 AM  

@28 Their imams should be informed and they should be shamed in their community. If their imams approve, the imams should be shamed and the mosque shamed. This is not entirely a legal process but rather a social one.

Blogger Giraffe May 15, 2018 10:35 AM  

@33

That's so gonna work.

Blogger S. Misanthrope May 15, 2018 10:43 AM  

TM Lutas is right. The only logical path is to bring in 7 billion Americans, then deport the bad eggs after they are duly convicted in a court of law. The resources involved would be well spent for the 1% of New Americans who do us the enormous service of not committing crimes.

Blogger B.J. May 15, 2018 10:48 AM  

and then "oh we can't punish them, because it would be mean."

All government benefits programs will inevitably lead to corruption. They all have to go.

Blogger Giraffe May 15, 2018 10:51 AM  

Adversity builds character, and we are severely lacking in character.

Blogger B.J. May 15, 2018 10:54 AM  

@TM Lutas:

The solution lies in the past, as usual. Just revert to the old immigration system.

-Strict quota
-No welfare
-Merit based
-Cost a few months salary in fees

You'd never have to discriminate against africans because they'd never make the cut. If they did they'd be the african Einstein. The whole reason we have these laws is to artificially bump up the worst, dumbest, and poorest people in the world. Get rid of the fix and water finds it's own level.

In any case it's too late now. I'll be ready when Minneapolis turns into a mad max wasteland.

Blogger Dire Badger May 15, 2018 11:04 AM  

Here in Utah, the Fraud is a little different.

When they arrive here, they are 'taken in hand' by one of their countrymen, and sent to get food stamps and welfare. They sign their money and food stamps to the Coyote, who usually owns a tenement or slum apartment block and charges their full welfare, as well as getting HEAT program and section 8 housing vouchers for them, equalling a total of about 2500 a month for an apartment that wouldn't be worth 600 on the market.

Then he buys a few staples, like rice and beans, for the 'immigrant' family and lets them know that that is all their 800 bucks in food stamps will purchase... and then sends them to the mormon bishops storehouse for 'the rest'. The bishops, who inspect, notice that they have little to no food, clothing, or whatever and so the church winds up blowing a thousand dollars a month, easy, on friggin muslim children, as well as giving jobs at the DI to illegals that HATE christians and want to murder them.


And the missionaries wonder why I won't go to their church.

Blogger VD May 15, 2018 11:09 AM  

Homogeneity for its own sake is a crock.

It is nothing of the sort. It is a desirable state.

Blogger Robert May 15, 2018 11:18 AM  

The Africans who want to do things the right way are a vanishingly small fraction. And even they would be forced to participate. You can't stop fraud until you get workers in the welfare system who don't think that the recipients deserve however much they can get. Those are rare as hen's teeth.

I worked in that system for years. The attitude of the administrators was that the workers were just as much recipients of welfare as the clients were.

Blogger AaMcavoy May 15, 2018 11:34 AM  

Dire Badger wrote:Here in Utah, the Fraud is a little different.


The naivete in Utah, at least among mormons, especially among mormon women, is absolutely astounding. The stories I tell people about working in an ER by Oakland or with AIDS pts in San Fran astound and amaze. Mormons will not believe their precious immigrants/refugees aren't just like them. Until they move next door.

I did meet one bishop who had been in Iraq and Afghanistan for a few tours and absolutely refused to help the Iraqi guy who wandered in the church, looking for help to get a job (while his daughter played on her iphone).

Blogger Jack Amok May 15, 2018 11:39 AM  

The system is not meant for honest types. They won't get enough to get by but scammers? They'll do fine.

Include the bureaucrats and functionaries paid to run the system in with the scammers. Burn it to the ground.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2018 11:59 AM  

That's how most systems of bureaucratic fraud work. There's a bureaucrat, and a lowlife civilian who find a way to work together to rip off everyone else. The bureaucrat finds the means of exploitation, and the civilian provides a plausible cover for the action.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 15, 2018 12:00 PM  

I'm including entire corporations in the category of "lowlife civilian" for this purpose.

Blogger RobertT May 15, 2018 12:04 PM  

As a nation, we are shot through & through with this stuff. It's becoming uncomfortable to be law abiding.

" It absolutely boggles my mind that anyone is still able to publicly subscribe to any form of civic nationalism at this point. How can anyone possibly believe that a people who are capable of engaging in this behavior on such a massive scale are even remotely capable of living in peace and mutual harmony with other people who would never even imagine doing such a thing?

Blogger John May 15, 2018 12:18 PM  

If Gen Xers don't have what it takes to deport the problem, then it's going to be death squads.

This is a culture that straps bombs to children and chops up little girls' sex organs. I don't see why we should value their innocents any more than they do.

Level enough communities and they'll start to surrender.

OpenID genkong May 15, 2018 12:21 PM  

VD asks:
It absolutely boggles my mind that anyone is still able to publicly subscribe to any form of civic nationalism at this point. How can anyone possibly believe that a people who are capable of engaging in this behavior on such a massive scale are even remotely capable of living in peace and mutual harmony with other people who would never even imagine doing such a thing?

Because it's all about the goodfeelz for the believer. The desnse cloud of hopium is quite strong over at the 8chan boards following q anon. One of the favorite slogans over there being "patriots have no skin color, they all bleed red", followed by quotes from dead communists (Martin Luther King) and genocidal Musloids (Malcolm X) along with adoration of Kanaye Kardashian (an icon of an utterly depraved culture) for saying something positive about Trump. They cannot comprehend the fundamental insanity and historical illiteracy of their hopium goodfeelz. Of course they sincerely believe that a Somalian Musloid criminal can be Murikan, every bit as much as they believe in Judeo-Christ. Crazy Christ is much admired over there as well. The 8chan boards there remind one of RimJob's Free Republic, with some autistic additions. Hopium is a very powerful drug - fake hope designed to destroy the real thing.

Blogger Peter Gent May 15, 2018 12:26 PM  

widlast wrote:Christ said it rather plainly "if they will not work let them not eat".

End welfare.

Actually it was the Apostle Paul in 2 Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: 'The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.'"

OpenID genkong May 15, 2018 12:34 PM  

Forcing these proud people to personally fly to Somalia with their cash is inhuman. It separates families, stigmatizes immigrants, and unnecessarily burdens the already overstretched TSA.

Of course. What's obviously needed are government-paid robotically piloted special flights for the new Murikans, their extended families and churchian supporters that spend long hours over large bodies of water.....

OpenID bgkoranburner May 15, 2018 12:36 PM  

At least the vans that go out to pay illegals anchor babies for their benefit info used to charge fake medical services have to put in a little bit of work.

capable of engaging in this behavior on such a massive scale...who would never even imagine doing such a thing?

Even worse the wetbacks who use ambulances as free taxies to go from one part of town to another thought they were smarter than gringos who didn't take advantage of the system. The cost not only in ambulance services but that those ambulances couldn't be on the scene while they taxied wetbacks.

Many Muslim men make a living by having their five secret sharia wives each collect welfare as "single" mothers.

Top it off with being paid by the government to be their translator

Blogger AaMcavoy The naivete in Utah..The stories I tell people about working in an ER by Oakland or with AIDS pts in San Fran astound and amaze

As a former healthcare Traveler, I have stories I wouldn't believe if I hadn't saved newspaper clippings. Had 2 cops shot DOA patients that was the reason the local NAACP asked for martial law, & Latrina of 21 crackbabies is real. When I started traveling I wondered if the traveler before me was raping women in the parking lots.

OpenID bgkoranburner May 15, 2018 1:27 PM  

DireBadger- I guess the elite finally figured out what to do about Mormons having a 5 year supply of survival food that would let them ride out jews destroying food production & distribution. The zeal that jews attacked Mormon canneries was even more than with the Boy Scouts.

Blogger tz May 15, 2018 1:30 PM  

The error Civic Nationalists make is that they will never have the guts to do what is necessary. If these people were dumped via parachute back to Somalia or whatever home country within 72 hours, I think it would stop rather quickly.

A high trust society - which is ethnicity and culture - can exist with a few cases on the margin which are punished severely when caught.

But there are cultures where fraud is a way of life.

There are others (e.g. China) where they merely nibble - send 95% good products with 5% clearly defective, knowing you aren't going to bother sending the defects back, nor bother backcharging them after they protest and apologize and say it will never happen again - which it will. Like Mattel found out about lead paint toys, and petfood with melamine instead of protein (which fooled the honest labs).

Some other places merely want bribes.

These are low-trust, low-penalty societies, at least for theft and violence. Political opposition can be very different. Are the penalties for the murders and rapists of white South African farmers ever going to be enough to stop the genocide?

After disasters, you usually have various notices that looters will be shot on sight. And that is what you need to change deep seated behavior.

Either the Civic Nationalists are going to be willing to do that, or Ethno-Nationalism is the only way to fix things.

And I see no evidence Civic Nationalists are going to be willing to do the "High-Penalty" part of the High Trust only possible in Christendom (which will put you out of the church for violations, and considers capital punishment licit becaue Justice is REQUIRED, which means proportion).

They should just call it Dyscivic Nationalism, because they will do nothing to stop the Dyscivic behavior - ejecting them from the country, quarantining them in prisons, or just killing them. You can't have a civilization with any visible number of barbarians or even barbaric acts.

Blogger tz May 15, 2018 1:45 PM  

Addendum: I mentioned I'm technically more of a Civic Nationalist because I believe people have full Free Wills and thus full Moral Agency, and people can change by choosing good or evil, or even eucivic or dyscivic behavior.

But I see no evidence even 1% do so because of a Damascus Road experience, and the few historic cases happened when we still were evangelizing, had Great Awakenings, revivals, and sent missionaries to Africa and Asia, as well as things like the Salvation Army.

The Cucked Churchians are not causing people to "come to Jesus" and repent - turn back from their evil. They are finding ways of making excuses and accepting it.

So here is a simple challenge. No-Fault Divorce, and out-of-wedlock births (even one, much less a half dozen) are perhaps the most dyscivic things I can think of. Name any Civic Nationalist that has done anything in the last 40 years to even slow down, much less stop or reverse any of these. Even talks about it. (And this is where the white makes right breaks down since they are just slower to descend into barbarity).

(Technically Abortion is a greater evil, but less directly dyscivic if you don't take the threat of a biblical judgment seriously).

Fixing these two things would fix a lot of other things (immigration - we aren't getting united families, crime since no father make for feral children, divorce destroys children emotionally). Perhaps enough to stop the arterial bleeding if not start a slow recovery.

They will all acknowledge these are not merely dyscivic but great evils rejected and condemned by every civilization. Even Islam rejects man-fault divorce. But any action will be terrible and hard. So what are they going to do?

Neither of these are in the Constitution or any civic creed. But they are fundamental. So someone can mumble about defending the Constitution, even understand they need to get warrants for some things, but still dissolve the family. The Constitution is based on natural law, and Subsidiarity, and the Family is the first source of authority. Wreck families, and there is no authority.

Blogger English Tom May 15, 2018 1:49 PM  

These and other examples are the reason why the welfare state will collapse. Is it being done on purpose? Check out the Cloward Piven strategy. This has been a long time coming but we are near the endgame.

Blogger Brett baker May 15, 2018 1:57 PM  

I'm a civic nationalist, but get called a Nazi when I advocate mass executions of people who don't act WASPy enough.(I'd send them back, but other countries have enough problems.

Blogger Brett baker May 15, 2018 1:57 PM  

I'm a civic nationalist, but get called a Nazi when I advocate mass executions of people who don't act WASPy enough.(I'd send them back, but other countries have enough problems.

Blogger Ian Stein May 15, 2018 2:06 PM  

Somali land pirates strike once again in the Land O Lakes. Deport them and send them back by boat.

Blogger Ominous Cowherd May 15, 2018 2:22 PM  

TM Lutas wrote:@28 Their imams should be informed and they should be shamed in their community. If their imams approve, the imams should be shamed and the mosque shamed. This is not entirely a legal process but rather a social one.

In the Third World, there is nothing shameful about lying, cheating and stealing. That's a big part of what makes it what it is.

Blogger Avalanche May 15, 2018 2:51 PM  

@33 "Their imams should be informed and they should be shamed in their community. If their imams approve, the imams should be shamed and the mosque shamed. This is not entirely a legal process but rather a social one."

Are you really as naive as you sound? (Could anyone be that naive?!) "...shamed in their community"? Their community APPLAUDS them! They are waging war by other means! They are providing support TO their community by ripping off the (MPAI) host community.

Shame the imams?! When your dog or cow looks at you with disdain for doing something they don't approve of -- do you give even the slightest damn?!

You're writing as if you you think these FOREIGNERS -- these "not-us" -- come anywhere close to thinking like us! To them, if you volunteer to be stolen from, they not only see you as an object to be stolen from, but as an object that DESERVES to be stolen from! Sheesh!

Blogger bobby May 15, 2018 3:34 PM  

"How can anyone possibly believe that a people who are capable of engaging in this behavior on such a massive scale are even remotely capable of living in peace and mutual harmony with other people who would never even imagine doing such a thing?"

Wasn't this the exact line spoken by Senator McClellan during the Valachi hearings?

Blogger Geir Balderson May 15, 2018 3:39 PM  

Alrighty. They found the massive fraud. Will anything be done to catch the perpetrators and close this funneling of American cash to Africa? Send all the Somalis back to their beloved Fatherland. Let them game their own systems.

Blogger Daniel May 15, 2018 3:58 PM  

Argentina had dogs to keep people fleing dollars to Uruguay. Very effective

Blogger Hammerli280 May 15, 2018 4:05 PM  

They must go back. They must ALL go back. And ALL of their enablers must go with them.

Blogger Daniel May 15, 2018 4:21 PM  

Dude they consider this as jizya. There is no shame for them

Blogger Daniel May 15, 2018 4:25 PM  

Heartiste opinion on diversity is interesting. Worth checking.

Blogger Dire Badger May 15, 2018 4:57 PM  

Daniel wrote:Dude they consider this as jizya. There is no shame for them

That's actually a very important point that cannot be stressed often enough. Western culture considers charity or handouts to be part of noblesse oblige... something that the powerful do for the less powerful.

Eastern and african cultures consider such gifts to be jizya or tribute- Something the weak give to the powerful to acknowledge their dominance.

In a very real way, the hatred they have for us, ESPECIALLY when Trump stops paying Dangeld, is justified... we are a slave state that has stopped paying their rightful tribute, and now we must be punished for the incredible disrespect we are showing our conquerers.

This, among other cultural misunderstandings, is an unbreachable barrier... and the reason that we must kill and destroy until our former 'masters' understand that their survival is dependent ALONE upon our good will.

It is not until they have been reduced to utter ruin that they will finally be able to act in a peaceful manner, until we prove that we are their masters in every possible way they will continue to murder indiscriminately and convince themselves that they will eventually prevail and regain their 'rightful place' as our masters.

This was displayed to great effect recently after Trump withdrew from the Itran deal, and they immediately started screaming 'death to America!'. Tp their minds, we were beaten into submission and just stopped paying their rightful due.


That's why we have to kill or ruin ALL of them. The 15th point of the Alt-right is beautiful in theory, but in reality it requires perfect humans as much as socialism or libertarianism. When one of a culture's primary drives is the destruction or conquest of other cultures, it loses the right to dwell unmolested.

We need to demolish them without taking any losses. no 'boots on the ground'. They need to perceive us as unassailable as God himself, and every bit as destructive.

Blogger TM Lutas May 15, 2018 5:13 PM  

@34 The current system where muslims are not held to social account for the sins of their co-religionists is worse than what I propose. It requires zero legislation so you don't have to wait. It also provides a lot of evidence that muslims are, in fact, incompatible with the US, if they are incompatible.

Assuming that they're normal human beings and susceptible to shame and getting their act together is a necessary step (though probably insufficient by itself) to getting the bulk of the population open to more radical solutions. You have to start with the stuff that the "reasonable middle" would find acceptable today. Only when that fails will you have serious prospects for success for more radical solutions.

The current situation where the left doesn't want them to be called to account at all and the right is waiting for some political messiah to just solve the whole thing in one fell swoop is a recipe for real world continuing inaction and failure.

Blogger TM Lutas May 15, 2018 5:16 PM  

@35 Since I didn't actually advocate relaxing immigration standards at all, but rather what to do with however many are here already, you're either too dense to read me or intentionally disingenuous.

I'll try to use shorter words.

Blogger TM Lutas May 15, 2018 5:17 PM  

@38 I'm more interested in solutions that might work today, not solutions that would have worked had we adopted them in 1975 (or whatever your cutoff year is). YMMV

Blogger TM Lutas May 15, 2018 5:20 PM  

@40 Can I quote you as saying "[Homogeneity for its own sake] is a desirable state."? I think you would want to reconsider that but if that's your actual position, own it.

Blogger TM Lutas May 15, 2018 5:30 PM  

@47 I'm very much afraid you may be right, a point I have made to Americans who are unreasonably pro-immigration. It's also a point I have made to immigrants, who tend to understand the dynamics much quicker than the former.

Blogger TM Lutas May 15, 2018 5:36 PM  

@59 @60 You cannot jump from a highly permissive environment to radical solutions on the restrictionist side without an intervening period of half measures in between. The half measures have to both be tried and fail before anything more radical will be seriously entertained.

And it has to not be half assed. You have to visibly want these non-radical solutions to succeed.

I really would prefer that minor revisions in social treatment and law would be enough to solve the problem of immigrant welfare fraud. I'm not kidding. I'm not just checking off boxes. But I do know that the present state of affairs is not sustainable and if the minor revisions don't work, more severe ones will be adopted.

I am, and will remain, in favor of the least severe solution that will actually work and willing to try out intermediate solutions even in the face of objective analysis that indicates something more radical might end up being necessary.

OpenID bgkoranburner May 15, 2018 5:44 PM  

Cucked Churchians are not causing people to "come to Jesus" and repent - turn back from their evil

But MCC churches have such nice brunches.

cultures consider such gifts to be jizya or tribute- Something the weak give to the powerful to acknowledge their dominance

Trying to explain jizya/tribute to civic nationalist is like trying to explain Per Capita, Diminishing Returns, or the difference between hate/contempt respect/courtesy to leftists.

OT- They will have to take my mushrooms from my cold cast iron pan.

Cucked MaryLand cops bust couple over legal mushroom facebook post while ignoring nigFELONs posting pics with guns they shouldn't have on facebook.

https://www.activistpost.com/2018/05/innocent-couple-raided-by-cops-for-facebook-post-of-legal-morel-mushrooms.html

Blogger Dirk Manly May 15, 2018 5:49 PM  

@17

"Just another reason to tear down the welfare state. "But think of the children - you wouldn't penalize them for their parents mistakes?" The current welfare state is an assault against children. It teaches them that poor choices are easier and have no real downside. That the world owes them a minimum of car, entertainment, food and housing - and that some hard working chumps will pay for it and feel guilty about not giving them more. It robs them of ambition, it robs them of pride in accomplishment, it robs them of self respect. The Left and establishment Right say that doing away with it would be brutal on the children and "the poor". That private assistance by churches or (theoretically no religious affiliated groups) is insufficient to meet the need, or would be "demeaning". The truth is that the current system has never prevented starvation. Homelessness still exists. What used to be a temporary state of destitution for some has become permanent for many. Immigrants, legal and otherwise, knew they would have to work to earn the bounty of America, or at least were swiftly educated in the fact. Now many come to become parasites on the American dream. They truly are wretched refuse and are not welcome."

50@ of those who successfully negotiated Ellis Island still went back. Many came on a myth of America with streets paved with gold, and all you had to do was reach out, grab some, and loaf around for the rest of the day.


Nobody had to tell them they had to go back.
They figured it out for themselves.
I don't have numbers, but I'm sure many of the more profligate just turned themselves in for destitution, and got deported (i.e. free transatlantic ticket back home).

There's a reason that the pre-1965 immigrant families are proud... they actually DID overcome hardship and figure out how to here without government handouts.

Blogger Daniel May 15, 2018 7:19 PM  

@67 Dire Badger
A different Daniel here.

You nail it perfectly, the attitude of the conquering Muslim. In their eyes, we are already on our way to complete submission. Any objection or resistance on our part only merits violence.

The Jihadi Chechen who went on a murderous slashing spree the other day in Paris, on a video he gave his reasons for his actions. One reason: the French have begun hindering Muslim immigration. You see, they, the Muslims, are the conquerors. How dare the French prohibit or hinder the free movement of their overlords. The punishment for such impudence can only be death. This is precisely how they think.

Blogger VD May 15, 2018 8:18 PM  

Can I quote you as saying "[Homogeneity for its own sake] is a desirable state."? I think you would want to reconsider that but if that's your actual position, own it.

I could not care less what you think. I own everything I say and write. You should try it sometime.

In fact, I almost wrote that it is an "inevitable" state, but decided that it was putting it too strongly while "eventual" was too opaque.

Blogger Dire Badger May 15, 2018 8:49 PM  

@Daniel-

I expected bashing or arguing with my statement, not cautious agreement.

I will never understand the ilk. I am absolutely, possibly fanatically, alt-right, but I feel like one of those Barbarians in Sauron's army... The Orcs are my allies, but I will never 'get' them.

But I will always think that point 15 and 16 of the 16 points can only apply to a culture that is high-trust, Christian, and non-expansionistic. Which means you preemptively do unto non-western others what they are trying to do unto you.

Blogger Dirk Manly May 15, 2018 10:53 PM  

@33

"@28 Their imams should be informed and they should be shamed in their community. If their imams approve, the imams should be shamed and the mosque shamed. This is not entirely a legal process but rather a social one."


Explosives are quicker, and make the point more convincingly.

Blogger Michael O'Duibhir May 15, 2018 11:29 PM  

"It absolutely boggles my mind..."
The mind boggles, but nothing boggles the mind--a nice, valid distinction.

Blogger Pale Male May 16, 2018 12:42 AM  

bgkoranburner wrote:Cucked MaryLand cops bust couple over legal mushroom facebook post while ignoring nigFELONs posting pics with guns they shouldn't have on facebook.
If you ever needed a reason to delete your Faceborg account, that's it right there.

Blogger Thad tuiol May 16, 2018 3:51 AM  

There's always some new scam angle coming out of Africa. As Pliny the Elder put it: EX AFRICA SEMPER ALIQUID NOVI

Blogger Zeroh Tollrants May 16, 2018 5:10 AM  

Some of the biggest welfare whores and scammers are wealthy Orthodox Jews. I'm sure Google can provide an unlimited number of stories about this, that is, if they haven't been scrubbed.

If I were dictator for a day, every daycare center, K-12 school & every higher learning facility in the country would be burned to the ground, and a very, very strict law would be made as to what could be put in their place.

Blogger Pale Male May 16, 2018 10:27 AM  

Zeroh Tollrants wrote:If I were dictator for a day, every daycare center, K-12 school & every higher learning facility in the country would be burned to the ground
And exactly what did the buildings do to deserve that?  You make the same mistake as the hood rats blaming "mean streets" and "bad zip codes" for all the bullets whizzing around.  Fumigate the buildings to remove the two-legged cockroaches infesting them and put them back to their proper use.  Getting rid of the buildings would just move the cockroaches elsewhere.

Blogger TM Lutas May 16, 2018 1:09 PM  

@77 I was doing a sanity check in case I misinterpreted you. Thank you for verifying. If I end up using it, I'll drop you a line with the url(s).

Blogger GithYankee May 17, 2018 7:41 AM  

If White people don't go down as the most retarded people in the history of planet earth, I don't know who will. Imagine taxing yourself into infertility in order to subsidize 60 iq savages who literally just sit around taking free gold and laughing. It's really incredible.
The Anglo Saxons conquered the world, and now we can't conquer a Somali daycare.

Blogger Dire Badger May 17, 2018 10:21 AM  

GithYankee wrote:If White people don't go down as the most retarded people in the history of planet earth, I don't know who will. Imagine taxing yourself into infertility in order to subsidize 60 iq savages who literally just sit around taking free gold and laughing. It's really incredible.

The Anglo Saxons conquered the world, and now we can't conquer a Somali daycare.


Yeah, and it's not like we don't have a great Whopping example in the mongol invasion of Europe of what happens when you pay the savages.

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