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Friday, May 04, 2018

No safe havens

(((David Brooks))) is alarmed by the fact that the Left is becoming as unlikely to provide safe haven for his particular form of globalism as the Right
Tribalism is in the air, on the left as well as on the right. It is based on a scarcity mentality, the idea that life is a zero-sum war between us and them. It emphasizes division and conflict, not solidarity and cohesion. It draws out the authoritarian tendencies in any movement. On the right, tribalism brings us the ethnic authoritarianism of Donald Trump. On the left, it seems likely to bring us the economic authoritarianism of a North American version of Hugo Chávez.

You can see authoritarianism entering the left through two avenues. The first is nationalism. Not long ago, most of the American left tended to think transnationally — partly because problems like climate change are global, partly because it’s hard to regulate a global economy nation by nation, partly because progressives used to be psychologically averse to nationalism.

But national sovereignty is not withering away. Left-wing hostility toward European Union-type multilateral organizations is at record highs. Now a lot of progressive economic thinking is nakedly nationalistic. Bernie Sanders in 2015 derided a more open immigration policy as a “Koch brothers proposal.” It’s the old xenophobia — us or them, screw or be screwed. On trade, the left-wing populists sound like Trump.

The second stream fueling economic authoritarianism is identity politics. It used to be that big political divides were defined by economic interests; now, the cultural dog wags the economic tail. Identity politics defines the core political divides. When many progressives talk about economics these days, they take the habits of mind they developed when talking about identity groups and apply them to economic groups.
Translation: David Brooks's (((identity group))) is fast running out of political wiggle room. When one very small identity group becomes massively overrepresented among the economically dominant, then obviously the economic redistributionism of the Left is going to merge with identity politics. How can it not?

The Left sees the One Percent as the primary problem. The Right sees the demographic change and economic decline of the nation as the primary problem. And if the One Percent are responsible for the the demographic change and economic decline of the nation, well, then both sides have more than a scapegoat, they have successfully identified the responsible parties.

This, of course, is why Bill Kristol, Ben Shapiro, and Jennifer Rubin are all calling for a third party. But it's going to be a very, very small one of virtually no appeal to anyone who is of the nationalist Right or the economic Left. There is not much of a market for a party of warmongering globalists whose primary domestic priority is the economic strip-mining of the lower, middle, and upper-middle classes.

The same situation is developing in the UK, as the media-generated "anti-semitism" of the Labour Party is causing the traditional Labour-supporting Jews there to rapidly migrate to the Conservative Party, where their globalist priorities are unlikely to remain popular or influential for long.
A defeated Labour councillor, Adam Langleben, said it was a source of 'shame' for the party that Jewish people had felt obliged to vote based on 'their safety'.

'Thanks to all those who voted for myself, Humayune and Agnes today. It was the greatest honour of my life to serve West Hendon,' he tweeted.  'We must NEVER have another election like this. No community group should have their vote dictated by their safety. That should shame us @UKLabour.'

Mr Langelben told the Guardian: ‘Every Jewish Labour household we visited, people said, “not this time.” Activists were being told, “this is a racist party, an anti-Semitic party”, doors were slammed in their faces.
It's not exactly hard to figure out how that's going to play out over the next decade. And it occurs to me that the so-called White British population now already had their vote dictated by their safety. That's why they voted for Brexit.

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70 Comments:

Blogger Teleros May 04, 2018 6:37 AM  

I know the media's been pushing Labour anti-semitism a lot (eg Guido Fawkes), but frankly if it keeps those pro-Mohammedan treasonous SOBs out so be it. Sad as it is, at least a Tory government might cut immigration etc.

Blogger The Kurgan May 04, 2018 6:42 AM  

I’m not sure Brexit will actually happen yet. We’ll see.

OpenID Überdeplorable Psychedelic Cat Grass May 04, 2018 6:56 AM  

Brooks at least has the foresight to realize that $15/hour minimum wage and universal basic income won't happen.

He missed the mark on Venezuela too.

Kristol is a tub of lard.

It's great to see, at least in Kristol's case, these morons actually believe it'll be business as normal come 2025.

They don't get that their policies will never be enacted on a country wide scale Stateside ever again.

Blogger JACIII May 04, 2018 7:03 AM  

Like cockroaches exposed to sunlight.

I don't know why (((they))) worry; they only want to grift everything you earn, everything you own, and everything your children will ever earn to include wages they haven't yet made over the next 30 years. Why would anyone become angry about that?????

OpenID simplytimothy May 04, 2018 7:04 AM  

"Kristol is a tub of lard."

What is Podhoretz?

Blogger Don't Call Me Len May 04, 2018 7:05 AM  

Opposition to invasion is "xenophobia". I'll bet that bit of wisdom don't fly in Tel Aviv.

The rest of tht screed is even worse. Brooks apparently has taken it upon himself to muscle Krugman out of his title of "Man Who's Always Wrong About Everything". "Climate change" is a real problem? The identity obsessed Left isn't Marxist? His bowtie must be strangling his pea brain. Or is the yarmulke suddenly becoming too heavy for his pencil neck?

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 04, 2018 7:15 AM  

Oh look, a conflux of hate. Perfect.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira May 04, 2018 7:21 AM  

Their rhetoric is the perfect hate-read. Sadists who enjoy that stuff must be keeling over like people on bath salts.

Blogger Daniel Paul Grech Pereira May 04, 2018 7:22 AM  

* I meant masochists. Geez it's early.

Blogger tz May 04, 2018 7:26 AM  

Evan McMullan - David French 2020!
I don't think another party is going to happen, at least the Libertarian Party is an entertaining circus given the large number of clowns and the occasional death by Elephant. This one would be like one of those snooty social cocktail parties, with (as Limbaugh puts it) the Arts and Croissant crowd.

The error with the obsolete right's (and Libertarian's) Schumpeterian "creative destruction" is the 1% enjoy the fruits of creation while the 99% get only destruction. Worse, when you talk about getting people off welfare (or the veiled versions like disability), you have to get them on to some other income stream.

That is why the destruction of the blue-collar middle class was the destruction of America. The left half of the bell curve had to be invited to the table, and with good paying Union jobs with benefits insured everyone of good character could participate (funny how "Labor" is no longer a Democrat Party priority).

We want a low time preference, and last hired, first fired, vesting to pensions, and working for the same employer for decades encourages that, as well as impulse control. You can have a family in that type of system.

We substituted a "make the next quarter", "go into debt and buyback stock", work at Taco Bell or Starbucks, and other transient jobs and even now Tech, and wonder why time preferences are so high. We encourage the hookup culture and all manner of perversions and wonder why impulse control is so low.

But we need either the soft eugenics of responsibility, or the hard eugenics of war, famine, plague, and tyranny. Both will now be hard - those babies born out of wedlock will have to find some other source of support.

Blogger wreckage May 04, 2018 7:27 AM  

As far as I know, David Brooks believes in the zero-sum game anyway, so the whole argument is disingenuous. And speaking of which, if we disbelieve in zero-sum, and we place great stock in negotiated self interest, what's the problem with nationalism?

Surely if everyone gets a secure and stable nation, then everyone benefits? Surely if the USA negotiates in good faith in its own interest, and e.g. Mexico does in its own, a fairer outcome will occur than if we unilaterally impose Mexican interests, or worse yet, if a third party imposes what it believes are Mexico's (or the US) self interest?

In short, isn't he being completely fake right?

Blogger wreckage May 04, 2018 7:30 AM  

In the end, the only rational self-interest for any identity group is the alt-right. It's not the opposite of Jewish rational self-interest, it IS rational Jewish self-interest, as Vox demonstrates WRT Israel. It's only against the self-interest of self-appointed culture mandarins.

Blogger Desdichado May 04, 2018 7:35 AM  

I'm still amazed and amused at NeverTrumpers who claim that he's "authoritarian." Even as he's rolled back more encroachments on our freedom than any president in decades.

Granted; there's still lots more room for improvement. But that's a bit of blatant, naked projection.

Blogger Miguel May 04, 2018 7:37 AM  

If only they were half as inteligent as Jordie says, and followed Bibi's advice.

Blogger dienw May 04, 2018 7:44 AM  

Not long ago, most of the American left tended to think transnationally — partly because problems like climate change are global, partly because it’s hard to regulate a global economy nation by nation, partly because progressives used to be psychologically averse to nationalism.

No, those of the left are anti-nationalists because they are Communists

Blogger pyrrhus May 04, 2018 7:45 AM  

When you come right down to it, any exercise of democratic self interest by the white population causes panic in (((Brooks))) and his co-ethnics, who have been looting the West for 200 years...Whites are just supposed to lie back and "think of England", or maybe Tel Aviv...

Blogger dienw May 04, 2018 7:55 AM  

@ 16
Whites are just supposed to lie back and "think of England", or maybe Tel Aviv...

Winner1

Blogger Peaceful Poster May 04, 2018 8:05 AM  

Speaking of the 1%, I'd surmise that Alphas and Betas are over-represented in that group.

But my other assumption is that gammas are over-represented in a certain (((group))).

If so, there may be a lot more (((gammas))) in the 1% that originally suspected.

Blogger bob kek mando - ( your mom always did like me best ) May 04, 2018 8:09 AM  

a member of THE Tribe warns against ... Tribalism?

YCMTSU

Blogger Mocheirge May 04, 2018 8:14 AM  

This, of course, is why Bill Kristol, Ben Shapiro, and Jennifer Rubin are all calling for a third party.

The (((Fellow American Party))) -- where everyone is Very! Concerned! about your nationalist tendencies but not the party's acronym.

Blogger McChuck May 04, 2018 8:15 AM  

So much stupidity concentrated in those few quoted lines.
Xenophobia is a survival trait.

Humans are inherently tribal. Part of the success of Christendom is the expansion of the tribe to the nation, and the creation of the nation-state.

Bernie is a national socialist (Nazi). Hillary is an international socialist (Commie). This isn't difficult.

Left wing hostility to the EU? Where?

The left recreated identity politics. Now they are upset that some ethnic identities don't care to be ruled by other ethnic identities. Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.

"No community should have their vote dictated by their safety." This is the alleged purpose of democratic government - to help ensure the safety of the people.

Blogger Resident Moron™ May 04, 2018 8:16 AM  

Brexit is inevitable, for the same reasons the altRight is inevitable.

And in both cases it will either be orderly and peaceful or it will be chaotic and bloody.

The one thing neither will be is avoided.

Blogger Cecil Henry May 04, 2018 8:20 AM  

Jews are concerned with nothing but Jews. That's why they push so hard to destroy Whites and prevent them from acting in their own interests. This obvious fact must be simply stated again and again.

Jews ARE driving most US global war conflicts. They are heavily involved in facilitating the migrant invasion of Europe and the WEst. Put that in your pipe JBP.


America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars
Shouldn't they recuse themselves when dealing with the Middle East?

http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/

Blogger Kang May 04, 2018 8:27 AM  

VD: "It's not exactly hard to figure out how that's going to play out over the next decade"

Deputy Consul General Of Israel Allegedly Forced Out Of Uber Ride For Speaking Hebrew On Phone

Maybe less.....

Blogger nswhorse May 04, 2018 8:32 AM  

The problem for whites wanting to vote for their security is that neither major party in any Anglo country represents it. The Liberal/National Coalition here in Australia, the National Party in New Zealand, The Conservative Party in the UK, the Conservative Party in Canada, and the Republican Party in the US are all equally cucked and more concerned with appeasing the left and always backing down when under fire than representing their voters. The Brexit vote in the UK was a rare opportunity where there was a genuine option on the table, and as we've seen, the Tory government and the Labor opposition alike are hell bent on scuttling it. We need another 4 Trumps at home in the UK and in the 3 colonies.

Blogger Redpill Angel May 04, 2018 8:39 AM  

"The Left sees the One Percent as the primary problem. The Right sees the demographic change and economic decline of the nation as the primary problem. And if the One Percent are responsible for the the demographic change and economic decline of the nation, well, then both sides have more than a scapegoat, they have successfully identified the responsible parties."

Memorizing that entire paragraph in order to drop it at Thanksgiving with my Hillary-worshipping sister. And also with my socialist professor boss. Thank you.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan May 04, 2018 8:45 AM  

As the Right steps out from its role as the stooge intellectual, it will find power as interrogator and prosecutor.

Blogger Mr. Deficient May 04, 2018 8:47 AM  

Is there a failing in the brand of liberalism that commonwealth countries have espoused? I know your pessimistic about the post republic American Nation but it seems to me that the UK, Canada etc have all the worse parts of the USA but none of the good.

Blogger Robert Divinity May 04, 2018 8:49 AM  

This only became a "problem" when whites began to engage in identity politics. Stateside, that upset the putatively pro-white Republicans as much as the Democrats/Marxists. Brooks and Co. had no problem with identity politics when they were used to promote anti-white policies and deflect attention from the Tribe.

UK's Labour ditched its long-standing EU skepticism and has paid a heavy price. Many of those behind this policy shift were Jewish. Combined with a Muslim population that isn't prone to celebrate Jewishness, Labour has responded rationally although Blair's ghost continues to drag them down. The Jewish identity groups in Britain have been quite active and successful, almost at the same level as their American counterparts, but have sown the seeds of their destruction. France is the future model for British Jews, and English is the future for American Jews.

"Hello, fellow Bronze People" won't work but will be fun to watch.


Blogger Bubba May 04, 2018 8:54 AM  

A defeated Labour councillor, Adam Langleben, said it was a source of 'shame' for the party that Jewish people had felt obliged to vote based on 'their safety'.

Strange. What shame is there in voting for safety? Adam assumes that "safety" was permanently solved for Jewish human beings. Due to Progress, I suppose.

Never Again would they sink back to the lower rungs of Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

Because Progress, he assumed he could flit about in the high aetherial reaches of "Self-Actualization" forever and never think about "safety".

I would tell Adam to make Aliyah and live in the real world, but I doubt the Sabras tolerate luftmensch like him.

Blogger Avalanche May 04, 2018 8:57 AM  

@10 But we need either the soft eugenics of responsibility, or the hard eugenics of war, famine, plague, and tyranny.

Yeah, that's why I'm a flat-out eugenicist! It ought to be possible to lay out --- and enforce appropriately (or however is needed to enforce) -- those (I hold: necessary!) hard eugenics without the war, famine, plague, and tyranny. (Sounds a bit like chemo and radiation, doesn't it? Poison and burn EVERYTHING and hope the good 'cells' survive.) Maybe it ought to be possible to set standards on the basis of "soft" eugenics (and I decry that very concept!), which you don't define in your comment but I assume you mean something along the lines of convince (urge, persuade, invite) careless breeders to quit doin' that? (Yeah, how's THAT workin' for yah?)

(((Somehow))) we've been taught (brainwashed) into thinking that "managed breeding" of humans is anathema; it's horrible, it's evil, it's jews-in-the-ovens! (And WE don't even have to expose infants on a hillside -- we can prevent, or yes, abort (sorry to make some of you shudder and throw your hands over your ears)(well, I'm not really sorry: I'd HOPE all-y'all would actually try to think this through rather than feel about it. But that's a discussion for another thread, I think.) defective or undesired offspring of useless and defective parasites. (If you DON'T also kill the nits, you just get more lice. Eugenics in a disgusting nutshell, eh?)

(((Somehow))) our various versions of religion have been ... moved ... to e.g., slavery is evil. Hey, didn't Jesus say: "slaves obey your masters"? Guess he MEANT to say: "slaves, overthrow your masters" (or worse: "you non-slave owners (and you slaves) attack and destroy the slave-owners") and it just got written down wrong?

We have free spay and neuter clinics for pets to prevent the "famine, plague, and tyranny" as a control mechanism (white-tailed deer up North as an object lesson; go look it up); we put out poison for rats and vermin, and ant bait for bugs to carry home to the nest. We have big-old hunts with prizes for most and biggest ... hogs, snakes, pick your vermin. (It used to be wolves and coyotes; we're trying to pull back from that now, because THEY at least, are part of God's / Nature's plan!)

But, OMG! A shiftless, useless parasite breeder with NO contributions possible to this society except she was able to .. in the brilliant words of our Steve ... "squat out" a houseful of more like her? A parasite increasing the parasitical load on the body-politic or the body-civilizational? When does our health become paramount? Are we too late?

Blogger Avalanche May 04, 2018 8:57 AM  

I suppose my hope for a 'soft-ish' institution of actual managed human breeding is a pipe dream. And I suppose we'll have to go through the much more savage "eugenics of war, famine, plague, and tyranny" because where we are is a (conceptual) place where K-selection and the (I'd suggest twisted) current reading of Christianity meld into a destructive version of
"let's live amongst lice and rats and vermin and ... cause it's mean to kill them off." (I can't find an inclusive-enough word to describe the end of our civilization, that doesn't malign perfectly nice (well, in a nature setting, not so much in town) and reasonable animals such as wolves, lions, and weasels.

On what (((basis))) do "we" (do y'all) discard stuff that is in the Bible -- and/or was a fundamental part of the civilization and lifeways of the Biblical peoples when the books were written down? Aspiring to "live like Jesus" may or may not include allowing Shanequa to squat out a houseful of violent cretins and expect us to support and excuse them(times many thousands). (I'd vote NOT!)

Where is the discussion of this? How is the "we're throwin' over God's decision and action at Babel because we know better"? Our Dark Lord even directs us to notice that the EU is building a replica of the Tower (from an old-timey painting) as their headquarters.

I see lots of commenters here wailing about "they're killing babies!" Yet did not God (direct his followers to) kill babies (and women and men and the oxen -- and salt the earth)? HE apparently was fine with "killing nits" with killing the offspring of His enemies to prevent them from growing up and carrying on BEING lice... (Shouldn't you be too?)

Where's the dividing line between Christianity and Churchianity? And how does one discuss the drawing of that line without getting piled on by folks who can't or won't consider it -- but merely aggressively 'man the barricades' against ideas and positions that their very religion did not USED to be against?

Where is our "Onward Christian Soldier"? And just (((who))) disarmed him?

Blogger Rocklea Marina May 04, 2018 9:08 AM  

Trump/Avalanche 2020 ticket?:)

Blogger August May 04, 2018 9:23 AM  

I look forward to more parties, as it would signify the weakening of the collaboration (collusion?) that has controlled America for too many years.

Blogger APL May 04, 2018 9:58 AM  

@1 Teleros: "I know the media's been pushing Labour anti-semitism a lot (eg Guido Fawkes), "

do you mean (((Guido Fawkes ))) ?

Blogger James May 04, 2018 10:13 AM  

pyrrhus wrote:When you come right down to it, any exercise of democratic self interest by the white population causes panic in (((Brooks))) and his co-ethnics, who have been looting the West for 200 years...

Just 200 years? I know the English expelled (((the tribe))) in 1290. At that time, they were allowed to leave England with the gold and silver they had amassed there. By carrying off the floating supply of currency, England went through economic chaos. They did not have the necessary specie to pay taxes, run the government, and fight wars. They eventually settled on the use of wooden tallies to pay taxes. They were officially readmitted in 1656 by Oliver Crowell. In 1694, (((they))) created the Bank of England, using the Scotsman William Paterson as a front. From that day, you see the rebirth of England as the predominant power in Europe. This was solidified by England's victory over Napoleon. Here is a quote attributed to Paterson:

“The bank hath benefit of interest on all moneys which it creates out of nothing.”

And here you have the reason for (((their))) control of the West. Prior to that, they controlled the Dutch Banking system, and before that, Venetian bankers. You can trace (((them))) all the way back to Babylon. Everywhere they go, they bring temporary prosperity by lending credit to people, businesses, and governments, and expecting real assets with intrinsic worth in return. The prosperity disappears, (((they))) foreclose, and then move on to the next usury virgin. The have two places left to go now. China and the Islamic world. Focus on that and you see why the media dwells so much on these two areas. The parasite must always find a healthy host so it can continue to feed.

Blogger Robert Browning May 04, 2018 11:02 AM  

I get it, the uniting of Left and Right is scary for the Jews, but back stage in the not to distant future will be the uniting of Muslims and Christians against their common enemy. It is scary how much power Trump has and it is terrifying to think that Trump might be a vengeful SOB who does not like the attacks made on his wife and kids. Scary stuff. I glad I am not a Jew.

Blogger Owen May 04, 2018 12:45 PM  

The left, while claiming to defend Jewry in their own countries, has always been virulently anti Semitic and anti Israel. See Marx on the Jewish problem. The right, a la Mencken, never liked Jews much but It was not unusual for conservatives to have close Jewish friendships. Re: Israel, leftists hate it and conservatives love it. Sometimes too much.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 04, 2018 1:19 PM  

It happened dozens of times throughout history, yet Muh Current Year was supposed to be Different This Time: Jews ALWAYS eventually piss off even the most philo-Semitic people they live among and end up getting kicked out. It may take decades, or a century or two... but it eventually happens.

Blogger VFM #7634 May 04, 2018 1:21 PM  

"but back stage in the not to distant future will be the uniting of Muslims and Christians against their common enemy"

@37 Robert Browning
You have to realize that Jews and Muslims do not actually hate each other intrinsically as much as both do the Christians. (If the Palestinians weren't Muslim, this would be much, much more obvious.)

Think of Islam as Judaism For Stupid People, and things will make much more sense.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel May 04, 2018 1:45 PM  

"Not long ago, most of the American left tended to think transnationally — partly because problems like climate change are global, partly because it’s hard to regulate a global economy nation by nation, partly because progressives used to be psychologically averse to nationalism."

Funny, but it seems ‘free trade’ is transnational too, and it allowed rapid industrialization of China and India that led to so much additional green house gases. Maybe the global environment wouldn’t have been so polluted if not for transnational global capitalism.

Sierra Club used to be more mindful of immigration’s impact on environment. No longer. It got bribed into welcoming more mass invaders into the West.

Also, as Ross Perot pointed out, when US companies remained IN the US, they adhered to environmental regulations. When they moved to Mexico, Vietnam, or China, not so much if at all. They could pollute all they wanted.

"Tribalism is in the air, on the left as well as on the right."

As opposed to both parties saying WE LOVE ISRAEL AND WE HATE RUSSIA & IRAN BECAUSE JEWS HATE THEM?

Tribalism or nationalism is NOT a zero-sum game of ‘we get all, you get none’.
Maybe it is with Jews, and therefore, Brooks could be projecting his tribal supremacism onto others. After all, the Jewish way in the Middle East is ‘Jews get everything, Palestinians get nothing’. Or it’s ‘Israel can have nukes and randomly attack its neighbors and be showered with billions in aid… but Iran, a nation with no nukes, must be sanctioned to death.’ Brooks’ tribe practices that kind of zero-sum tribalism.

But most peoples in the US don’t. Their tribalism is ‘negotiative’. And most of American tribalism was always like this. Take NY. It has hsd Italians, Jews, Irish, Poles, blacks, Germans, Greeks, and etc. They all had an ethnic sense, but they knew they had to get along with other groups. So, they negotiated. It was never about ‘We Italians get everything, and rest of yous get nothing’ or ‘We Irish take everything, and the rest of you starve.’

If any group tarnished the good name of negotiative triblaism, it was Jews because their agenda was ALL OF YOU MUST SERVE US. Jewish tribalism has been the most zero-sum.

For example, Greek Americans have Greek interests and use their political and economic clout to sway US government to favor Greek interests. Turkish-Americans do the same. All groups do this. But Greeks don’t make ALL OF US favor Greek interests over our own interests. Greeks do their thing, Irish do their thing, Turkish-Americans do their thing, and etc.
But Jews? All of us sing must hosannas to Israel, all of us must worship Shoah(even though most of us had NOTHING to do with it), and the hell with Palestinians. And if Jews hate Russia and Iran, all of us must hate them too.

Someone should tell Brooks that his people need to practice negotiative tribalism than zero-sum tribalism. Indeed, even Jewish anti-tribalism is really just (((anti-tribalism))). Jonathan (((Weisman))) let the cat out of the bag when he explained that Open Borders policy is wonderful because it is especially good for hegemony of Jewish global power. Basically, he’s admitting that gentile national sovereignty must be compromised to serve Jewish globalist hegemony.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel May 04, 2018 1:47 PM  


Another thing. Identity politics of Right and Left are utterly different. On the Right, it’s about lotalty to essential and real identity with history, roots, culture, and memory.
In contrast, leftist politics is about ideology than identity. Credo than ethno. Marxism is an idea in the mind. Now, classes do exist in society, but they are far less fixed than race, ethnicity, or culture. Whether rich Greek or poor Greek, a Greek is Greek. But if a poor man becomes a rich man, his class has changed. In India, caste and ethnicity is almost synonymous but not in the West.

Still, at least Marxism addressed real social evils of the dark side of capitalism. Today’s ‘leftism’ is a stupidass circus about how homos and trannies need to be worshiped(as proxy puppets of the Tribe). Some guy recently wrote in NYT that Marx was right, i.e. today’s SJW are still carrying the torch. No, if Marx was right, it is because capitalism did come to be dominated by disgusting oligarchic imperialists with no sense of limits or decency.

Also, much of leftist identity is really rightist. Black power, brown power, and etc are really forms of rightism. They just happen to be allied with white leftism. Likewise, Muslims in Europe are allied with secular leftists because the latter are more for Open Borders. Does that make Islam a ‘leftist’ ideology? No. It’s just about alliances… like Saudis are allied with the US.

Furthermore, leftism values identity only in terms of its ‘victim’ value. Unless an identity can invoke iconic victimhood, it has no value in the eyes of the Left.

In contrast, identity has value simply for its roots, substance, and history on the Right. Whether Swedes or Poles are a ‘victim’ group or not, the Right believes their identity has value as a repository of history, culture, and sense of larger shared community.

Leftist identity is purely negativist. So, if a group can claim victimhood, its identity matters. But if the group loses its victim credentials, its identity must go.

In contrast, rightist identity has value regardless of political fashions or perceptions. Thus, is far richer and more meaningful. It’s not identity as mere virtue-signaling.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel May 04, 2018 1:48 PM  

Left needs to cross with the Right. And that is what Trump called for.

Left vs Right is the most toxic idea to come out of the French Revolution.

The proper way is Left and Right. That is the only intersectionality or convergence that really matters. Left without the Right is like a Crucifix with bar but no pole. Right without the Left is like a Crucifix with pole but no bar.

The radicals of the French Revolution failed because they were all leftist. Napoleon did much better by crossing left and right. FDR did this with New Deal. The saner part of Hitler did the same before he went nuts with imperialist war fever.

Nationalism is the best socialism. When the elites are compelled to think nationally, they feel an obligation to the people of the nation. If they think globally, they just dream of ‘new ____’ or spout of symbolic banalities about “it takes a village” without doing anything for anyone.
After all, a man who takes care of his own kids is a better man than a man who claims to love ALL kids but does nothing for any of them, including his own.

Blogger Robert Browning May 04, 2018 2:11 PM  

VFM #7634 wrote:"but back stage in the not to distant future will be the uniting of Muslims and Christians against their common enemy"

@37 Robert Browning

You have to realize that Jews and Muslims do not actually hate each other intrinsically as much as both do the Christians. (If the Palestinians weren't Muslim, this would be much, much more obvious.)

Think of Islam as Judaism For Stupid People, and things will make much more sense.


The Pope created Islam to retake Jerusalem from the Jews 1,400 years ago. Muslims are Christians, both worship a merciful forgiving God where as the Jews worship a cruel vengeful God that kills innocent children in their sleep.

Blogger Andrea Daley Utronebel May 04, 2018 2:19 PM  

Rightist identity is largely a matter of Inheritance. You receive your identity, culture, and history from forebears and pass them down. In contrast, much of New Identity Politics on the 'left' is fantastic and faddish, especially with 'gender fluidity' that says a man with penis and balls is suddenly a 'woman' if he so chooses.

Blogger Desdichado May 04, 2018 2:25 PM  

Curiously, according to isidewith, Ben Shapiro is now a 2020 Presidential candidate. lolwut?

Blogger kennymac May 04, 2018 2:29 PM  

You have no idea what you’re talking about, Robert Browning.

Blogger tublecane May 04, 2018 2:30 PM  

"It draws out the authoritarian tendencies in any movement"

I have been puzzled by this term, "authoritarian," lately. Not that its practical meaning is lost on me. I know it effectively means "authority being exercised in ways or by people of whom I do not approve." It's the opposite of democracy, which always means "thing of which I approve."

What puzzled me was why it was expressed in that particular way. Then a poster here reminded me of the old Authoritarian Personality thingy, and it made a little more sense. There is a small group of people with outsized influence to whom "authoritarianism" is a very important term. I don't want to say they're all (((people))), but they are all likely to think Nazi when they hear "nationalism."

The poster who reminded me said use "authoritarian" is a tell. And that appears to be true. Reading people like Brooks, I feel like I'm in a spy novel picking up codes left in plain sight. Like, "Why is the phrase 'the black crow flies at midnight' in the middle of this article?"

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 04, 2018 2:46 PM  

Andrea Daley Utronebel wrote:The proper way is Left and Right. That is the only intersectionality or convergence that really matters. Left without the Right is like a Crucifix with bar but no pole. Right without the Left is like a Crucifix with pole but no bar.


Come back when you've learned to think, instead of emote.

Blogger Brett baker May 04, 2018 3:00 PM  

What did that dead Greek say-"perfection of the form" or something like that?

Blogger Ceerilan May 04, 2018 3:19 PM  

Looks like it's about time for us to show everyone that the living document of the Constitution really means illegals can be thrown out of the country, liberals tried for treason for their war against America, and natural born citizenship requires at least one birth parent to have natural born citizenship.

Blogger SciVo May 04, 2018 3:28 PM  

On the right, tribalism brings us the ethnic authoritarianism of Donald Trump.

The only people who mistake Donald Trump's weak-ass color-blind court-deferential civic-American nationalism for "ethnic" are Jews and intersectional feminists, who think that europatriarchalism is a *bad* thing (and draw a false equivalence with "authoritarianism" because feelz). Everyone else is constantly telling white men to "man up" and extend our super-valuable male nurturance. (Well, Jews might do both.)

simplytimothy wrote:"Kristol is a tub of lard."

What is Podhoretz?


A pervy thumb. (There's something about his cheeky smile that says "you don't want to know what happens in my bedroom.")

Blogger Robert Browning May 04, 2018 3:30 PM  

kennymac wrote:You have no idea what you’re talking about, Robert Browning.


Christ is mentioned 55 times in the Koran. Muhammed is mentioned 4 times.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 04, 2018 3:37 PM  

Robert Browning wrote:Muslims are Christians,
If you can say this, you have no opinion worth hearing. You know nothing of either Islam nor Christ nor Christianity.
You have blinded yourself.

Blogger Robert Browning May 04, 2018 3:37 PM  

kennymac wrote:You have no idea what you’re talking about, Robert Browning.

Correction------ Christ is mentioned 187 times in the Koran. Did you know that Kenny??

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 04, 2018 3:52 PM  

Robert Browning wrote:Christ is mentioned 187 times in the Koran.
So what?
How many times is Christ mentioned in the Talmud?

Blogger cheddarman May 04, 2018 4:23 PM  

He should move to Israel.

Blogger Redpill Angel May 04, 2018 4:28 PM  

Robert Browning is not the first to suggest that Islam resembles, in some ways, a perverted form of Christianity. They beieve, after a fashion, in Jesus, but deny the crucifixion.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 04, 2018 4:35 PM  

Redpill Angel wrote:Robert Browning is not the first to suggest that Islam resembles, in some ways, a perverted form of Christianity. They beieve, after a fashion, in Jesus, but deny the crucifixion.
That's not what he said. He said Moslems are Christians. That's simply a satanic lie.

Moslems do not believe in Christ, any more than they believe in the queen of England. They acknowledge He existed, and attempt to claim him as a subsidiary prophet by lying about Him.

Blogger Robert Browning May 04, 2018 4:36 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Robert Browning wrote:Christ is mentioned 187 times in the Koran.

So what?

How many times is Christ mentioned in the Talmud?



Are you serious? The Koran has affection for Christ and his mom. The Talmud call Mary a whore and claims Christ is boiling in a vat of semen and excrement for eternity, as punishment for defying the Jew God.

Blogger Robert Browning May 04, 2018 4:38 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Redpill Angel wrote:Robert Browning is not the first to suggest that Islam resembles, in some ways, a perverted form of Christianity. They beieve, after a fashion, in Jesus, but deny the crucifixion.

That's not what he said. He said Moslems are Christians. That's simply a satanic lie.

Moslems do not believe in Christ, any more than they believe in the queen of England. They acknowledge He existed, and attempt to claim him as a subsidiary prophet by lying about Him.


The Pope created Islam. Islam is the Popes army. Is the Pope Christian or Jew??

Blogger Robert Browning May 04, 2018 4:40 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Redpill Angel wrote:Robert Browning is not the first to suggest that Islam resembles, in some ways, a perverted form of Christianity. They beieve, after a fashion, in Jesus, but deny the crucifixion.

That's not what he said. He said Moslems are Christians. That's simply a satanic lie.

Moslems do not believe in Christ, any more than they believe in the queen of England. They acknowledge He existed, and attempt to claim him as a subsidiary prophet by lying about Him.


Like I said it is going to get really scary for the Jews. See what I mean?

Blogger Snidely Whiplash May 04, 2018 4:53 PM  

Robert Browning wrote:The Pope created Islam. Islam is the Popes army. Is the Pope Christian or Jew??
And I should take your word on this? It's simply ludicrous. It's contrary to everything we know about the history of the VI century middle east, it's contrary to reality, it's contrary to the stated words and actions of the Moslems even now.

I'll let you in on a little secret. "I hate Moslems. I hate the pope even more. Therefore the Moslems are agents of the Pope." is not a valid logical deduction.

Blogger Robert Browning May 04, 2018 5:10 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Robert Browning wrote:The Pope created Islam. Islam is the Popes army. Is the Pope Christian or Jew??

And I should take your word on this? It's simply ludicrous. It's contrary to everything we know about the history of the VI century middle east, it's contrary to reality, it's contrary to the stated words and actions of the Moslems even now.

I'll let you in on a little secret. "I hate Moslems. I hate the pope even more. Therefore the Moslems are agents of the Pope." is not a valid logical deduction.



1,400 years ago, Jerusalem briefly feel into the hands of the Jews. Historically, you can check as far back as you like, the Pope has never criticized Islam, never. The dealbetween Islam and the Pope was once Jerusalem was retaken from the Jews it would be returned to the Pope. Islam reneged on the deal and that cause the crusades and all the conflicts. I don't care if you hate your own mother and father. I am only interested in the truth.

Blogger Redpill Angel May 04, 2018 5:11 PM  

Snidely, true, when Robert Browning flatly said, "Muslims are Christians," that is an overstatement. They believe certain things that resemble Christian beliefs. Years ago I picked up a Muslim tract at a flea market and was amazed to learn that they believe Jesus will judge the living and the dead at the end of time. They believe in the virgin birth. However, they deny the crucifixion, believing it have been an illusion. Standard gnostic heresy, and very appealing to some in the West who feel the emptiness of modernism but have weak underpinnings in their faith. Best to know what they teach in order to better fight it.

Blogger Mocheirge May 04, 2018 5:28 PM  

Christ is mentioned 187 times in the Koran. Did you know that Kenny??

Google lists Christ 107,000,000 times in just 0.80 seconds. Clearly Google is the most Christian organization out there.

Blogger Azure Amaranthine May 04, 2018 5:34 PM  

"Robert Browning is not the first to suggest that Islam resembles, in some ways, a perverted form of Christianity."

That's because it is. It's basically a really, really, really off-the-rails heresy.

That being said, Robert Browning, you're a loon.

Blogger SciVo May 04, 2018 7:34 PM  

Europatriarchism = white fatherly nurturance.

Just to be clear about my usage of terms.

Blogger Expendable Faceless Minion May 04, 2018 11:06 PM  

Your health becomes paramount paramount the instant the ruling party considers you are a lifetime voter for them.

Blogger Robert Browning May 06, 2018 9:28 AM  

Redpill Angel wrote:Snidely, true, when Robert Browning flatly said, "Muslims are Christians," that is an overstatement. They believe certain things that resemble Christian beliefs. Years ago I picked up a Muslim tract at a flea market and was amazed to learn that they believe Jesus will judge the living and the dead at the end of time. They believe in the virgin birth. However, they deny the crucifixion, believing it have been an illusion. Standard gnostic heresy, and very appealing to some in the West who feel the emptiness of modernism but have weak underpinnings in their faith. Best to know what they teach in order to better fight it.

In Arabic, Isa means Jesus. Isalam?? Isalam?? What could the connection be??

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